Scottie Pippen Would NOT BE THE SAME Without Jordan (ft. TICKETtv)

[@CarbonSage]

Hypotheticals have literally taken facts out of most sports debates and it’s sad

[@Manitscrazy]

It's so annoying

[@smoothsavage2870]

Yea, but people also use facts without context, so what's really the difference?

[@Madmax_sports]

Facts

[@adrianprince7266]

Best comment ever right here.

[@Manitscrazy]

@@smoothsavage2870 you playing make believe that's the difference

[@Hard31337]

Both MJ and Pippen benefited and complimented each other. Both made things easier for the other.

[@nbagoats4819]

The question isn't about winning. Learn to read. MJ was MJ with or without Scottie. His game did not change. He just got better at what he did. He just needed some help. Scottie however came in averaging single digits riding the bench and its obvious that MJ's influence made his game better. Not the other way around. Scottie would not have been the same PLAYER without MJ.

[@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.]

​@nbagoats4819 He can have influence but the end of the day pippen is the reason pippen got better. He had to decide to put the work in and he did. Otherwise every player would've taken the leap scottie did

[@ASmallProduction]

Shaq was nasty for this one. The Pippen/Jordan thing was because Jordan worked with Pippen to raise his game. Shaq didn't do that for Kobe. That's the difference

[@gsusdayz3598]

Facts Kobe proved he could win Back to Back without Shaq. Shaq didn’t win shit before Kobe and he had good players. The one time shaq won a Championship was with Dwade as the main guy. Dudes straight hating on Kobe saying he would be Carmelo Anthony without shaq. Completely disregards that Kobe was Elite on defense and Kobe defense came into play when it matters most late in games.

[@SnoGo902]

@@gsusdayz3598 stop it

[@MineShackle]

Ticket: disregards the championships Also Ticket: he couldn’t make it out the second round

[@Mindag13]

Because he wasn’t the guy when he won the championships

[@Ssjiskkidjj]

He was supposed to make it out the second round, I love how they didn’t mention that horrible late call in Game 5 w 2 seconds left. Top 3 MVP candidate in that 1994 season. Averaging 22, 9, 6, and 3 steals per game on 49% from the field. Don’t let these MJ meatriders belittle him, Scottie was that guy. MJ was 1-9 in playoffs before Scottie got to Chicago.

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

@@Ssjiskkidjj facts.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@Ssjiskkidjj 🤔 Scottie Pippen joined a 50 Wins Bulls team and a Blazers team that was 2nd in the Western conference…… MJ joined a 27 win Bulls team and a 19 win Wizards team…. Clearly MJ had less to work with.

[@Jaygroova]

In 94 without MJ he led the team in points rebounds assist and steals and had the highest FG percentage on the team he was the all star MVP and finished 3rd in MVP I think he would've still been a top 50 all time player and a Hall of famer

[@johnsepulvedacruz6428]

Not really, withought those 6 chips he's not a 50 player

[@Ssjiskkidjj]

Thank you ! These mfs disrespecting Scottie like he wasn’t an MVP candidate and didn’t lead his team to Game 7 of ECF against the knicks. (Should’ve won if the refs didn’t make a terrible call with 2.1 seconds left in game 5)

[@Ssjiskkidjj]

Eastern Conference Semifinals*

[@Jaygroova]

@@Ssjiskkidjj ppl forget MJ never had a team that was 500 or better before Scottie got there

[@Jaygroova]

@@johnsepulvedacruz6428 if Patrick Ewing and Charles Barkley are top 50 Scottie would've been on too without the rings

[@dkthagreat5519]

“What was kobe before shaq?” bro was a highschool student what is he talking about 😂😂😂😂

[@dejon18]

THANK YOU 😊

[@Kalinbuggs]

Also Kobe was 17 in training camp and played the whole season as an 18 year old

[@Thesportsobserver2738]

That's the thing a high school basketball player showed Shaq a veteran how to win championships end of story.

[@coloneldusty4476]

@@Kalinbuggshe sat the damn bench

[@Kalinbuggs]

@@coloneldusty4476 yet he was still playing clutch time in the playoffs. Even with his coach saying I’m not playing a HS kid. In his second year he was 3rd in points off the bench with 2 less points than Eddie jones who played 10 more mins. Stop acting like Kobe was on the bench for his skill and not him being 18 behind an all star and a coach who didn’t want to play him.

[@tonyt888]

Kobe would have been Kobe even without shaq. The mamba mentality has been there from day 1. His dedication to his craft was not something he learned from Shaq. Kobe always called Shaq lazy because the thought Shaq would have been a GOAT if he really put the time during workout and practice.

[@looechange7966]

Did he ask what was Kobe before Shaq? Kobe was in high school before shaq. Kobe's first year was shaq's first year in LA.

[@dejon18]

Im surprised no one checked him on that

[@ajw5691]

Pippen deserves a lot of credit for his play when Michael Jordan retired the first time. It's rarely mentioned how the Cavaliers weren't at full strength in the first round, yet people constantly bring up a questionable call in the second round that probably cost the Bulls. Also, Michael Jordan helped elevate the Bulls by going through rebuilding periods. When Pippen took over, the young players had developed and the chemistry was there. Not to mention they added solid players who fit the triangle such as Luc Longley, Steve Kerr, and Toni Kukoc. Kukoc was better than what his numbers showed. The following season the Bulls couldn't keep up the momentum. Also, after the 98 season, Pippen was on a Rockets team with 2 all stars and a Blazers team that was one of the deepest teams in the league. Michael Jordan joined a Wizards team than won around 20 games and their best players weren't on the team when Jordan got there. Scottie Pippen without Michael Jordan would be a more consistent version of other versatile players like Ron Harper and Lamar Odom and Grant Hill, the main difference is Pippen is a better defender and more athletic. It benefitted Scottie Pippen that Michael Jordan played off the ball during his later years so Pippen could initiate the offense and play his style. Michael Jordan sacrificed a lot of stats in favor of his teams developing.

[@Jiron127]

The 93-94 bulls was the same roster minus MJ. So the team was still in championship form. They just lacked mj. Pippen was not better than grant hill, save for defense.

[@Jc-ly6pe]

Facts mj came to bulls when they were a failing organization Scottie inherited a team that was coming off a 3 peat.

[@rayquaza1245]

I've never seen a player get as much credit for leading his team to a 3 seed second round exit, than Scottie Pippen.

[@sportschannel3637]

@@Jiron127 Bulls signed good players this season and the East generally went downhill with deaths of some of the best players in the League (Petrovic and Reggie Lewis) and career-ending injuries (Price, Dougherty, Doc Rivers and others). Fact: without Jordan the Bulls are still today (25 years later) without winning anything. Gretzky left the Oilers and they won the championship two years later with practically the same team, same players that Gretzky had on his side. In the HFBoards forums this is not hammered out day after day. Nothing is said. Haterism with Jordan sometimes borders on the absurd. Oh, and yes, offensively speaking, Grant Hill was clearly superior to Pippen.

[@Jiron127]

@@sportschannel3637 Pretty much this. The Toronto raptors after kawhi left in 2019. Did the same thing because it was the same roster minus kawhi. As a result, they had a good playoff run. They tried to mimic it again the next year and couldn't deliver. Same as the bulls (until mj returned). The mj hate comes from revisionist that look at lbj as some goat. Whenever lbj leaves a team (10', 14, 18') they get substantially worse. Which is true 😂!!! However, the reason that is, is because lbj constructs top heavy teams (kyrie, wade, bosh, mo williams) with poor shooting and barely any decent guards or big men/defense to speak of.

[@mypeople1stwilliam]

Pippen was in MVP talks in 1993-94. Also went on to help lead Portland to a West Finals in 2000. I think Pippen might’ve still be at least second tier good.

[@g24deez]

That talented Blazers team went to the 99 WCF and lost to the Spurs so they decided to bring in Pippen to get them over the hump and Pippen failed. Pippen blew a 13 point lead going into the 4th quarter in the 00 WCF. The next three seasons in Portland Pippen got bounced outta the 1st round. So technically they needed Pippen to get them over the hump not lead them to the WCF again because they made it in 99 without Pippen lol. Nice try with the talking points fella lol

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

That Blazers team was 2nd in the western conference before Pippen got there

[@mypeople1stwilliam]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing facts. I think the addition of Pippen moves them to a better chance at a Finals appearance. They lost in 7 games to a team I would say ended up being better than the Spurs around that time.

[@zxcvb3772]

@@mypeople1stwilliam Scottie Pippen was 3-10 in game 7 in the 2000 WCF and choked a 20 point lead in the 4th.. He tried to blame the Rockets failure on Barkley in 1999 when he shot 33% from the field the entire first round of the playoffs while taking more shots than Barkley. He wanted to be the first option so bad but he's not that guy.

[@jaycespades8360]

Plenty of people get in mvp talks it’s not that big of a deal. Question is did he win it? Answer is hell no, so stop with that bullshit!

[@Shiljamannn]

Saying Kobe Bryant is the same as Carmelo Anthony is an insult to basketball...Kobe had way better defense and better winning mentality than Melo... Melo only cared about the spotlight, more than winning, and also Melo didn't improve much troughout his career while Kobe was always trying to be better....

[@adrianprince7266]

They both needed each other. Even now after the fallout between the two, both still say they needed each other. Pretty cut and dry to me

[@blackurustrikes2328]

It's impossible to project what Scottie would have been without MJ.

[@Taj_Rahine]

If you didn't watch his career, then yes it is impossible

[@Jason5818UI]

@Taj Rahine yeah because the last dance clearly shows his progress as a Rookie to all star calibur player and the influence of MJ and his leadership

[@ellandlord2456]

no rings😂😂

[@morelljohnson3168]

@@Jason5818UIit’s mighty funny that y’all make these claims but fail to mention that before pippen came who tf did jordan make better or influence to be better. Because last time I check the system that was set up made Scottie what he was due to Phil.

[@blackurustrikes2328]

@@Taj_Rahine I am a 61 year old CHICAGOAN. I watched Scottie's WHOLE career REALTIME, and I did so totally from the perspective of a GROWN man. Scottie was a very UNIQUE prospect coming into the NBA during that time. He wasn't a high caliber HS recruit. He wasn't even 6 ft tall when he entered Central Arkansas University. He almost literally became what he became out of thin air. Scottie had fantastic physical attributes and some skills. But he hadn't played against top flight colleges. He wasn't accustomed to playing in high stakes, highly competive situations. In fact, one of the biggest reasons why the Bulls struggled against the Piston is because Scottie could not handle the pressure from the Bad Boys. I think Mike was a great role model for Scottie. And Phil Jackson was good for him too. Do I think Scottie had the PHYSICAL capability to be a great player without MJ. Sure I do. But its his mental and emotional frame I question. I saw enough of Scottie to know that had he gone to a bad team, with bad coaching and no leadership, he might have just been a very good player who had a couple of allstar seasons and he would have retired with the majority of people hardly remembering who he was.

[@marleymarsss]

Shaq didn’t make Kobe better. He put in that work on his own, wasn’t nobody in that gym mentoring him. It’s different

[@DreamFactories]

So Kobe without Shaq wins more than 5 rings?

[@marleymarsss]

@@DreamFactories you’re talking about winning, I’m talking about skill. Shaq had zero to do with Kobe becoming who he was

[@aquartermil]

Shaq nasty with that kobe take 💯

[@sunnyballeralert]

1000% percent he really believes what he saying makes it worst

[@RoninBgk]

@@sunnyballeralert he's a delusional dork

[@RoninBgk]

He says anything to uplift LeBron It's cringe

[@thomaschapman6088]

How is he uplifting Lebron? Your Lebron hate is cringe.

[@RoninBgk]

@@thomaschapman6088 He always hating on Kobe/MJ There you go👍

[@Kosher93]

The argument Ticket is making can also be used for Scottie 😂😂😂

[@Ju5Tice718]

Exactly!

[@THISISRISE]

How when pippin got there after Jordan was already the man

[@SLPERIONTV]

@@jleww8959 Pippen Lost with MJ against the Pistons. So the lie that Jordan didn't win until Pippen came to the team was cap.

[@kendreviusclincy4377]

@@SLPERIONTVman the man literally never not one time won a playoff series without pippen then needed each other pippen was the better every thing but scorer passer defender rebounder his better

[@wallacepemberton932]

@@kendreviusclincy4377 what you know about Pippens charity game? When Jordan was retired the first time? Noone was buying tickets until he got Jordan to participate, and they immediatelysold out. Pippen stacked the team against Jordan and said he just hopes Jordan doesn't embarrass him on TV. I think Jordan did, think he dropped 52 on Pippen. Pippen and anybody watching NBA from 86-98 knew that Pippen was not better at anything on the court than Jordan. Were you watching? Or just speaking with partial knowledge?

[@detroithustle-n-business9671]

Well when Jordan retired in 93-94, Pippen led the Bulls to 55 wins, ( only 2 less then year before with Jordan), Averaged 22 points, almost 9 rebs., 6 assists and 3 steals(led the league). Pippin was All NBA 1st team, Allstar game MVP that year and was 3rd in the League MVP!! So it's safe to say Pippen would have still been a great player without Jordan!

[@garygnu8775]

That Pippin you got was trained by MJ 🤷ijs

[@detroithustle-n-business9671]

@Gary Gnu Well everybody was trained by Somebody, even Jordan was "trained" by Somebody. But Pippen still went out there and did that!! And also remember that Jordan NEVER WON before OR Without Pippen!! 🤷‍♂️ Ijs....😄

[@lex6794]

I think Pippen could of been the main man on a team.

[@anthony2b173]

55 wins only won 1 series 😂😂😂

[@MrOburgess]

SHAQ was the MAN when he and Kobe were together

[@blacknetsmed]

Shaq was the best player on team when Shaq and Kobe were together, but people tend to forget the last 2 seasons together they were on similar levels. Kobe finished higher in MVP voting than Shaq in both the 2003 Season and the 2004 Season.

[@leonsummers6460]

Did Ticket see Pippen help the Trailblazers get to the Western Conference finals.

[@zxcvb3772]

Trailblazers were already in WCF before they got Pippen lol

[@jamiecousins254]

@@zxcvb3772true but, that was the lockout year and they got swept by the Spurs that year.

[@x-man9473]

@@jamiecousins254 Ok. But the commenter tried to falsely claim that Pip "got them to the conference finals". He wasn't the leader of the team and they were in the conference finals befor he joined.

[@kambuibomani231]

Hate hypotheticals but this is an easy answer. Pippen wouldn’t be an NBA top-50 player without MJ.

[@bp2000k]

Just like MJ wouldn’t own the 90s without Scottie

[@blimbillybood6266]

And MJ wouldn’t have 6 rings without Scottie

[@Jc-ly6pe]

@@blimbillybood6266 it’s debatable but mj without Scottie came in the league at an mvp level Scottie took 3 years jus to get to a low all star level and his prime was very short

[@ADG.Est.1988]

Agreed

[@Dontresssmith3757]

You can reverse that question what has Jordan done with out Scottie???? Nothing 1-9 without Pippen and PJ

[@christurner2684]

Without MJ I think Scottie will still be an all star, he was a lockdown defender and was very good at scoring the ball, just go back and look what Scottie did when MJ was playing baseball in the 93-94 season, Scottie finished top 5 in MVP and was close to getting the Bulls to the ECF

[@countryrah]

He was actually top 3 and won all star MVP award

[@Jc-ly6pe]

He was a good scorer I wouldn’t say very good but yea he’s a jus another star in a galaxy full of good players but mj is a supernova/black hole

[@countryrah]

@@Jc-ly6pe pippen was more of a point forward look at his stats compared to players like j kidd and the glove is actually the same or better against other pgs he was a pound forward people forget his job was to facilitate the offense and he lead the team in assist rebounds steals and blocks and second in scoring he was a facilitator

[@Jc-ly6pe]

@@countryrah pip for his career averaged 16,6,5 2.0stl 0.8blk mj averaged 30,6,5 2.3stl 0.8blk as for passing pip averaged 7ast 1x mj averaged 8ast in 89 pip can’t pass like gp or Kidd

[@countryrah]

@@Jc-ly6pe his career with bulls is 17.7 ppg 6.4 assist and like around the same rebounds if not more but his career stats went down because of rockets and blazers but pippen playoffs stats are like 19 9 and 8 and finals allot higher especially the first 5

[@bossza4445]

Here’s my take: Scotti without mike would have been like a Jaylen brown a good all star and hall of gamer but not legendary or a as much of a winner with Mike. If Kobe never played with Shaq he would for sure have atleast one right because what we seen from him without shaw for 8 years he won 2

[@mazzb305]

I think a more interesting question would’ve been how does MJ’s career change without Scottie and having to go against a prime Scottie. What if Scottie was in Utah or Seattle or NY??

[@masculinitymatters9030]

Scottie got drafted by Seattle and could have ended up with Payton and Kemp

[@TjayJean-c6x]

Well to h honest MJ Ain’t ain’t get out the second round without pippen either 😂😂😂

[@darkmasage]

He ain’t get out the first round

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Scottie Pippen peak is 22,8 boards and 6 assist and 3 steals.. without Jordan .. with BJ ,Grant , Harper and Kukoc

[@aaronhutchinson885]

Defensively and Athletically he would have been the same/close. The ball handling was there because he was a PG in College. Better question is, how good would have Scottie been without the triangle. The triangle moved Pippen more into a Point Forward role. Which increased his all around play. With Collins as the coach Scottie didn't handle as much, wasn't as used all around the court. Without MJ Pip is probably, 18/6/5 2 steals a game. He was never really a no.1 option, consistently. Pippen didn't have a strong pull up game, mid range shooting etc he wasn't what Grant Hill was in Detroit without MJ

[@coreythomas3633]

HE TOOK THE BULLS TO 55 GAMES WITHOUT MJ. While MJ was a first round choke.

[@liambailey1239]

That's definitely possible but you could also say the team would be built different around him and force him to develop a different style entirely. I think it's only fair to judge him based on what he actually did without MJ. Which was be a lower end MVP candidate in the 93-94 season.

[@NewwxNeww]

@@coreythomas3633 completely different teams, coaching, and competition

[@sportschannel3637]

@@NewwxNeww He's a hater. I think he can't stand to see ESPN, The Athletic, SLAM, USA Today, Sports Illustrated, FoxSports, FiveThirdyEight, The Undefeated, and etc etc etc always putting the same guy on top.

[@aaronhutchinson885]

@@coreythomas3633 he had 2 other allstars with him that year. Horace and BJ. He stats were similar to the years with MJ. Stats wise he didn't take a jump. Can you share what was happening the year after, before MJ came back. You think Scottie would have lead them pass the 1st round..

[@AuburnFanSince2010]

Ticket once again cooked these fools. Ticket is on another level.

[@makhaiferguson4855]

Get off your burner account ticket 😂

[@armonbell2535]

Awful take😂😂😂😂😂

[@darkmasage]

@@armonbell2535great take 😂😂😂😂

[@THISISRISE]

You cannot compare kobe to scottie is because kobe work ethic is why kobe became what he was. Scottie got his work ethic from jordan

[@juve4690]

Actually is the other way around. 😂 Kobe always copied everything from MJ even the way of walk.😂

[@704jizzle2]

These dudes weren't even IN SCHOOL TO REMEMBER ANY OF THIS

[@C1assic074]

Pippen was in the MVP conversation one year without MJ so Pippen definitely would have been a perineal all star without MJ.

[@AveryB.0]

Scottie was an all time great player. If he doesnt play with Jordan he doesn't win as many rings (neither does Jordan), but his stats increase as he will get more shots and opportunities

[@christiansoldier77]

Avery B. Pippen' would not be ànywhere near as good without MJ

[@AveryB.0]

@Christian Soldier I think he would have better individual numbers just because there woild be more shots to take and opportunities. He wouldnt have anywhere close to 6 rings though so he would not get talked about as much as he does now as a champion.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@AveryB.0 You have to take things in their proper context. Pippen was not a great player at all when he first came to the NBA . Jordan helped him to become the player he would later become plus the fame that MJ had rubbed off on Pippen because he was on MJ's team. If Pippen had stayed with the Sonics he would not be the player we remember today thus he would not be likely taking a lot of shot . He would most likely be a player like Josh Howard who played for the Mavs in the 2000s . Good player but nota HOFer and definitely not anywhere near as big a star without Jordan

[@williamvaughn4418]

Scottie would be the same player without mike .. he may or may not won titles but it wouldn’t be 6 .. and he would still be all nba and all def

[@704jizzle2]

When KOBE CAME IN HE DID NOT THINK HE WAS BETTER THAN SHAQ

[@Kalinbuggs]

He did

[@Vortexnicholas]

why do these what if scenarios ?? Theres no way to legit confirm what would happen with these hypothetical what if scenarios.without jordan its possible Scottie wouldve been playing with another star player have a bunch of complimentary pieces , and possibly go to a finals or 2 . But theres no way to 100% know for sure.

[@teresa-oj9rq]

Pippen actually did pretty good without Jordan after he retired the 2nd time The bulls led by pippen won 1 less game without Jordan. Pippen was an mvp candidate. Jordan did nothing without pippen & Rodman

[@kambuibomani231]

He peaked after the first round that season and continuously proved thereafter he wasn’t the ideal building block as a team’s best player.

[@chaihavertz9203]

They added Kukoc that season in 1993-1994 lol. What happen in 1994-1995 season? Somehow they wont mention this season when talking about Pippen lol.

[@rayquaza1245]

Pippen did alright after 98 but was not a star player by any means. He had a good season in 94 but calling him an MVP candidate is misleading. Hakeem and Robinson were the 2 true MVP candidates and basically got all the votes. There's no player in NBA history that gets as much credit for leading his team to a 3 seed second round exit than Pippen in 94. It's weird to say Jordan did nothing without Pippen when only played without him for the first 2 full seasons of his career. So unless you expect players to win championships right when they enter the league that point doesn't mean much. He also 3peated without Rodman so not sure what you're on about with that one.

[@704jizzle2]

Kukoc got them OUT THE FIRST ROUND

[@dedricklane4899]

Jordan had 3 before and 2 after and in all 5 seasons MJ failed to have a Winning record.

[@5MM408]

I don't think anybody but Jerry West would have traded a proven veteran for a high school kid at that time.

[@StevenTorres.NYC-CA]

Pippen was gonna end up in Seattle he would of still been a ridiculous defensive player. Playing with GP, scottie would of became something

[@vicshephard9231]

Thank you!! Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, and Scottie would've been sick. With Scottie's iq, athleticism, and work ethic under George Karl I'm giving them some trips to the finals.

[@garygnu8775]

Scotty would have never had the mental fortitude without Jordan. Even the Scotty that you are praising after Jordan was created by MJ

[@joejett5084]

I think the real question is what Scottie would of been if he never had Phil Jackson.

[@LembeckIsStaying]

Thank you. Zen Master is the common thread in all of this. All you hsve to do is say that to shut Ticket up.

[@tommymack4677]

Or Shaq, or Jordan

[@joejett5084]

@@LembeckIsStaying yeah he understood these guys were the talent and he wanted them not to get caught up in emotional battles trying to prove to others on a personal level how great they at a cost of the teams success.

[@joejett5084]

@@tommymack4677 yeap I was thinking of those guys too. He helped them realize how unstoppable they are when they let their teammates have some shine too

[@vicshephard9231]

He would've had George Karl coaching him.

[@Chrislittle223]

Take away those 6 rings..... Pippen would still be an all nba and all defensive player and a Hall of famer.....

[@shax3535]

Scottie is overrated by Lebron fans but properly rated by MJ fans lol. Hes more like Middleton, Klay type of player.

[@darriusbeal7953]

I’m a bron fan but Scottie underrated asf he will always be on MJ shadow

[@rayquaza1245]

I think many Jordan fans underrated Scottie but overall they are more realistic about him than Lebron fans.

[@joeldrummer23]

😂🤦🏻‍♂️ what’s the fact? He had the career with him… such stupid hypothetical…whatever happened to having legend players complimented each others game perfectly?

[@jaycespades8360]

Ticket cooked Shaq. Shaq talking about “who wouldn’t have made that trade” only because he seen the outcome. At the time Kobe want looked at like that. Kobe top 5 DOA stop capping!

[@teresa-oj9rq]

What did Jordan do without pippen & Rodman...scoring titles 🤔

[@smoothsavage2870]

He won without Rodman 3x. You could've given MJ somebody else and he would've still done what he did. MJ helped Pippen become the player he was.

[@blackjesus6433]

MJ drafted in 84 and Pip in 87. Shut your channel down please. 🙏🏾

[@darkmasage]

@@smoothsavage2870and Scottie helped mj be the goat

[@entertainingsportshighligh7525]

These dudes make videos to diminish the greatness of PIPPEN in order to elevate JORDAN is sad . Lol 😆

[@704jizzle2]

If mike would have went n teamed up with Dream in 99 they win if he would have went to Portland they win if they don't draft scottie and draft somebody else he develops into a champ with Mj pip would have been a ROLE PLAYER

[@crharper25]

Bro I swear. Everybody forgetting just how timid Pippen was those first few years. If he goes to Seattle....he plays his normal SF position & may average 12. But without Mike...he never fully breaks out of his shell. But Mike was always destined to be Mike. He came in the league a monster.

[@darkmasage]

@@crharper25I swear you folks act like people are saying Scottie is better than mj just give Scottie his flowers and keep it pushing

[@LarkinIQ]

When they brought up Kobe they must’ve forgot when Shaq was injured Kobe was dropping 40+ a game and Phil Jackson told him to stop when Shaq came back.

[@AuburnFanSince2010]

MJ left and Scottie was one call away from the finals.

[@aaronhutchinson885]

ECSF. .He also quit on the team during that run. I'm not sure if he was ever actually a leader on the other teams..Houston, Portland etc

[@morelljohnson3168]

@@aaronhutchinson885wtf are you talking about they screwed them Out that series and jordan quite on the bulls and left scottie hanging foh

[@aaronhutchinson885]

@@morelljohnson3168 he wasn't one call away from the Finals. This occurred in the ECSF v the Knicks. MJ quit. Indeed. This was Scotties opportunity to be the featured player. In 93/94 he was very good. As ticket said, the next season they were struggling with Scottie as the no1. Option. His scoring, rebounding, asst etc didn't go up too much the year MJ didn't play all year..🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️ Check your stats/facts

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

He only got to the 2nd round lol. You can google this information lol.

[@aaronhutchinson885]

@@NothingElseMattersJM exactly. Yelling all wrong on the internet 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SportsSpeak73]

Scottie would've been good but he wouldn't have become what he was. He would've probably made a few All-Star games eventually but I dont think he would've been an AS game regular. Yes Scottie was playing at an MVP while MJ was retired but that was a Scottie who had already evolved into that player so you can't use that to judge the kind of player he would've been without Mike's influence.

[@RyanLBrown9396]

Jordan actually needed Pip a bit more than pip needed Jordan. The season after mike left, Scottie was a legit mvp candidate

[@jefferybarefield6372]

How old are you if don't mind me asking?

[@kambuibomani231]

Big cap. Without MJ Pippen flamed out during the offs as the lead dog with the Bulls and couldn’t get the Blazers over the top as the team’s leader during the lakers series. He’s be a solid NBA player but probably not an all-time Top-50 NBA Player.

[@matteoughetti1320]

@@kambuibomani231 ​ bro he was 33 y.o, way past his prime…

[@kambuibomani231]

But was given two opportunities to at least win a ring as a primary piece on other squads without MJ and didn’t do it.

[@jefferybarefield6372]

@@kambuibomani231 absolutely

[@_wael]

never compare scottie and kobe again

[@tarallbain4415]

It's not that complex. Scottie benefited from practicing and playing with the best player ever in the league. Same as a dude called Yohan Blake, he became the sprinter he was due to training with the greatest sprinter ever Bolt. Without that experience Scottie would of been basic. He possessed zero leadership and zero drive ala 94 series and blowing a 15 point lead in the 4th quarter with one of the of the most talented teams on paper the NBA ever had in Portland. Give MJ the same Portland team and what happens?

[@dirtyface-capone7622]

You put even Wizards Jordan on that Blazers squad, I doubt they lose more than 2-3 games the entire playoffs & take home the ship.

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

@@dirtyface-capone7622 Jordan literally did nothing in the wizards lmao. 🤣😂

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

So why didn't Jordan beat the pistons in when he didn't had Scottie for game 7 in the 1990 eastern conference finals???

[@dirtyface-capone7622]

@@Ghost-rb6cw Probably because it was the Pistons and their 5 All Stars/championship experience vs Just Jordan with no All Stars🤷‍♂️

[@Ghost-rb6cw]

@@dirtyface-capone7622 lol they were winning until Scottie went down lol, they literally took the pistons to seven games that year.

[@breadbreadman9589]

Kobe came to the league thinking he was the best😂and without Eddie jones being there he would of been the leading scorer of all time

[@RIDGEMATIC]

As far as scottie I think he could've become an all star eventually if he never played with Mike but I think playing with Mike elevated his ceiling. Can't front the last line of kobe being Carmelo if he stayed in Charlotte is pretty solid. If he didn't win early with shaq and Phil I'm not so sure he ever becomes a champion on his own.

[@malnorfleet4925]

Thats fair. He is talented but he clearly wasnt the leader of a team.

[@coreythomas3633]

where was MJ motivation and influence before Scottie got there. 😂🤡. MJ have 0 rings without Scottie that a facts. 😂 like stop it

[@malnorfleet4925]

@@coreythomas3633 oh i forgot low iq cant figure out your own dumb question. So mj despite dpoy and scoring champ while pippen is on the bench means what again. So mj has to win alone, but lebron gets to fail with allstars right. Go to bed. Your mom failed you. Hey genius what did pippen win btw without mj?

[@vicshephard9231]

What superstar has ever stayed in Charlotte? Kobe was leaving when his contact was up. How about the early 2000s Kobe and Tmac show?

[@RIDGEMATIC]

@@vicshephard9231 Well they never really had a superstar on that level straight walk away that I recall. I can see a scenario of stubborn kobe deciding to prove himself there and I can also see him bolting asap. What if Jerry west never worked him out how different would nba history be??

[@terrencefields4115]

Hey if MJ was so great how come he couldn't win anything before or after he played with scottie Pippin???

[@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu]

Try harder trolll

[@cw1229]

The Scottie disrespect be crazy homie a top 3 SF all time,

[@rayquaza1245]

No chance. Lebron, Bird, KD, and Doc are objectively easily above Scottie. Then you have Havlicek, Baylor, and Kawhi who are still likely above Scottie, but maybe you could debate it if Scottie is your guy.

[@cw1229]

@@rayquaza1245 Bron bird and Pippen in that order none of them other guys have the game or impact, Scottie was the 2nd most important piece to the greatest dynasty in nba history and really outside of being the lead scorer did everything and led in everything else. Y’all smoking dope

[@andydufresne9377]

How these guys manage to be so certain? It's litterally impossible to project what Scottie would have been. It ain't the rules, the context, the opponents, the debate is useless. All their opinions are not based on facts.

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Scottie was the Greatest role player of all time

[@elmztana1201]

Scottie weren’t no damn Role Player !!!!!

[@bboywolf]

Hell no, scottie pippen had too many series where he was bullshitting or injured

[@morelljohnson3168]

I swear I can’t respect some of y’all mindset with this jordan meat riding y’all be on down playing a a guy who always guarded the best offensive player on the opposing team making it easy for jordan you mfs weird

[@dedricklane4899]

Scottie Pippen is above any role player. Role players don’t make 3 straight ALL NBA 1st teams and 8 consecutive ALL DEF 1st teams even with MJ.

[@judahmourneth3211]

He fact was a role player and 94 showed that

[@MrSlashblade]

Same type of player? Yea, he doesn’t have the same career that doesn’t mean he isn’t the same player. He’s definitely the same player. He’s a perennial all star and a perennial all nba, perennial all defensive team player. Also the guy was the 5th pick not a second round pick.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

He’d definitely be a perennial all star and all defensive but he’d probably lose out on a few all nba teams since the Bulls team success kind of helped in that department.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

The interesting hypothetical in this scenario is whether Scottie is the 2nd or first offensive option on x team without MJ. If he’s the first offensive option, it’s going to be very difficult for him to win a championship. If he’s the 2nd offensive option, he can win some.

[@vicshephard9231]

He'd probably be the 2nd behind a young Shawn Kemp. And Payton would be able to play off ball at times due to Scottie's playmaking.

[@feezy3250]

Scottie would've been 67ers Iguadala

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

Facts. He would’ve been Danny Grangier, Stephen Jackson, Rudy Gay territory without Mike. Not Larry, Bron and KD

[@teresa-oj9rq]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington and Jordan without pippen was a more efficient Westbrook

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

@@teresa-oj9rqMike was never in his entire career as reckless as Westbrook. Westbrook never was in the discussion of being the best player in the NBA. Mike was in that discussion before he won his first ring. You sir don’t know basketball

[@iampioneer81]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington whats crazy is that MJ himself has said that Scottie was just as good as Magic or Bird. Because of how he impacted the game defensively. If MJ said it, doesnt that hold more weight than some random persons opinon?

[@jefferybarefield6372]

Absolutely

[@cellytyree4771]

The comparisons is wayy off . Pippen would of been like a prime Andre igoudala .

[@vicshephard9231]

A mutant Iggy.

[@giiotm8272]

Scottie without MJ won 55 games & nearly made the Finals , he also went to the West & made the Western Conference Finals as the best player on the team (Portland) Scottie without Mike would have more accolades, better stats & would ultimately be more respected by his peers & fans alike.. he was more than a Robin, everytime he stepped into the Batman role, he balled out. Playing with Jordan was a gift & a curse for Scottie; yeah they won 6 rings but then casuals will always say “without Jordan Scottie was nothing” they will give all the credit, even Pippen’s individual greatness to MJ, when he’s clearly one of the BEST forwards the game has ever seen, regardless of MJ.

[@jarionchaffin3998]

Jordan didn’t do shit when he was the lone star

[@Anonymityfan]

No he wouldn't. Obviously he wouldn't have the same career without MJ because defending MJ and being under his leadership developed him but that's not a knock on him. Teammates and coaches are supposed to make you better. That being said Scottie was past his prime. Even in 1998 he was past his prime because of his injuries.

[@lex6794]

MJ held Pippen back. Pippen's best year was when Jordan retired. Phill Jackson was their he would of got Pippen to where he would be now. Pippen possibly could be the main man on a team.

[@Edd_LShore]

With todays rules, Pipprn wouldve been a max player in another team after his rookie contract. No way he gets underpaid to do the dirty work for MJ for his entire peak. 0% chance

[@lex6794]

@@Edd_LShore 👍🏽

[@bobby19761994]

The seeding 5 to 8 when Jordan came back for the last 17 games of the 1994/1995 season in the Eastern conference 5. Cavs 36/27 6 bulls 34/31 7. Hawks 32/32 8. Nets 26/39

[@ernestbrooks2377]

I was a big Scottie Pippen fan, He definitely contributed greatly to the Bulls dynasty that very much depended on him being who he was. But I don’t think Scottie is the same caliber player without Mike. I think playing one on one with Mike everyday in practice, playing against Mike on opposite teams in practice going head to head and training either Mike feeding off of his work ethic and learning basketball with Mike driving him to get better greatly contributed to his greatness.

[@drkdze]

8:24 Shaq is right! Kobe was nothing before Shaq. But Shaq by the time he got to the Lakers was already a dominant 30+ ppg rim-breaking force who had already led a young Orlando team to the finals with an established reason resume. It the whole reason Jerry West wanted him. Why is Del and Ticket trying to die on a hill with this argument? SMH

[@blacknetsmed]

Kobe Bryant was 16 year old in high school before Shaq. There isn't any "before shaq" in regards to Kobe Bryant NBA career. Such a bizarre talking point to begin with.

[@touregarrett]

How was Kobe nothing before Shaq, when they came to the Lakers in the same Summer. Such a dumb take.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

How does that make any sense ?

[@magotheguy173]

@@blacknetsmed that's literally the whole point.. before he played with Shaq, Kobe wasn't in the league. His whole career was a product of playing with Shaq because he played with Shaq when he came in.

[@blacknetsmed]

@@magotheguy173 "His whole career is by product of playing with Shaq" That's a pretty ridiculous statement that is based on narrative driven storytelling not common sense.

[@704jizzle2]

Pip WAS A LIFETIME ROLE PLAYER NEVER A LEADER

[@hardwoodthought1213]

Role players don’t make All-NBA 1st team for 4 years straight

[@VeganFoodGasms]

Dude Kobe and shaq was 1a 1b best two players in the league, I hate people that aren’t from that time period… don’t speak on basketball if you don’t know …

[@CurtisT1019]

Here are facts: Scottie Pippen averaged 16.1 points per game for his career and 7.9 in his rookie year. Do you honestly think that qualifies him to be a top-tier player in the NBA? But since he played alongside Michael Jordan and is a six time NBA champion he’s considered a top 75 player. MJ took Scottie under his wing and made him better. Scottie was paired with all-star players each time MJ retired but never won a chip. MJ didn’t play with all-stars in his Wizard years but made them playoff contenders before his knees gave out.

[@TheIcemanthomas]

If pippen stayed on Seattle next too GP, and kemp. Shiiiiit. He may have been even better. Ion gone lie. Maybe not a superstar. But u can’t teach talent. Jordan helped him evolve but let’s stop acting like u can make someone be a good player. If u don’t have the talent u just don’t have it. U can’t coach ability. Pippen had it. All he needed was the push.

[@coloneldusty4476]

Dell Harris was NOT fired for benching Kobe. He was fired because Jackson agreed to coach the team.

[@GapGod78]

I’ve been saying this since he started talking out of his mouth about Jordan. Jordan’s worth ethic and thrive to be great is like no other, other than maybe Kobe. But he wouldn’t follow Kobe cuz of age. Pippen would’ve been like a Sharif Abdul Rahim.

[@brettthomas6327]

FALSE, I believe Scottie was a VERY VERY talented player that would have been a Kawhi Leonard type of player. The Spurs helped Kawhi, but a blind man can see that he still would have made several all star appearances and All Defensive Teams. Both dudes are super athletic, long and dawgs on defense. Scottie led his team in EVERYTHING expect scoring. He was never given the chance to lead in his PRIME and when Jordan left the team was doing very well. ONLY CLOWN TALK THIS TO ACT LIKE JORDAN WON ALONE WHICH IS CAP

[@looechange7966]

At the time that they traded vlade divac vlade divac was around 27 years old and in his prime. Why did you like would go on to play about 10 more years between Charlotte and Sacramento. Y'all got too many youngsters up there

[@MrMex44]

MJ doesn’t have the same career without Pippen. MJ fans are delusional and haters. Scottie has the same individual career maybe better with more room to shine.

[@Wargee4978]

Yes, Pippen needs his flowers but we need to stop saying Jordan would have won without Pippen. Pippen didn't win just one FMVP even when Jordan just came back. James Worthy won with two Goat like players in Magic and Kareem. Wade would have won one if Lebron James played his part in 2011. I believe if Jordan had players like James Worthy, Khris Middleton, Paul George & so on, he would have won 6 rings. In the 1997 and 1998 playoffs, Pippen was great, especially in 1998. Jordan took the Bulls to the conference final in Pippen's second season when he was still struggling and the Eastern Conference had been the best conference since Jordan was in the league. I don't like it when 20 years - 35 years guys are discussing NBA history without proper research

[@Jc-ly6pe]

mike played in the playoffs 3x without Scottie once as a rookie and once with a broken foot against arguably the best team ever the 86 Celtics then played them the next year lol and y’all act like pip was d wade. Their first playoff series together pip put up 10,5,2 .8stl 1.0blk on 47%fg mj that series 45,6,6 2.8stl 1.6blk on 55%fg

[@coreythomas3633]

MJ A FIRST ROUND EXIT WITHOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN. 😂 😂 😂 stop it

[@Jc-ly6pe]

That’s like me saying bron didn’t make the playoffs until Larry Hughes in year 3 lol it’s tru but lacks context. Their first playoff series together pip averaged 10,5,2 0.8stl 1.0blk on47%fg mj that series averaged 45,6,6 2.8stl 1.6blk on 55%fg 🤦🏾‍♂️stop it lol

[@coreythomas3633]

@@Jc-ly6pe bron won in 3 different organization. He can play with anybody. 2007,2018 he took the cavs to the finals. So bron better because he won without a star player. But he needed a great team to win the championship. GOAT JAMES

[@coreythomas3633]

@@Jc-ly6pe JORDAN WAS A FIRST ROUND CHOKE. Pippen was a lottery pic these are fact's.

[@Jc-ly6pe]

@@coreythomas3633 when did he win without a star lol he had 3 super teams and only got 4 rings

[@Jc-ly6pe]

@@coreythomas3633 how do u choke as an underdog lol bron actually choked in 2011 when he got outplayed by a role player lol 😂

[@glyle2504]

This is gross, Scottie Pippen took the Eastern Conference Champions to 7 games and *BARELY* lost with Horace Grant being his second best player, while being top 3 in MVP winning 55 games after MJ left-but he’s gonna go from the best SF off the entire decade to some fringe allstar??? What are we doing right now?

[@stanpoint2092]

All due respect but after pippen had back surgery in 1998 and when he went to Houston he was no longer an athlete nor the same player anymore his peak and prime was over with that was his second back surgery of his career plus he was 33 years old

[@ie5028]

This Shaq dude 😂. So the difference between someone u consider 3rd all time and Carmelo is S. O’Neal? 😂😂 because without O’Neal Kobe is Carmelo?

[@GetPackedUp00]

Get Ticket Off The Panel 🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelallen8112]

Scottie was top 5 draft before MJ23 from a small school. Tickets point are garbage. First off pip was coming back injury after the finals when he went to Houston.Hakeem Charles and Scottie was all recovering from injury in a lockout season. Pip went to the blazers made clutch shot to defeat the jazz got robbed by the league for Lakers going to the finals. That already been exposed cut it out

[@tyronebriggs5721]

That’s a stupid argument. He lost micheal Jordan and didn’t add a #1 option or a #2 option to replace the production of a micheal Jordan lol. And he didn’t play garbage his FG% those 2 years without Jordan were 49 and 48 21/8/5 with almost 3 steals a game lol

[@IAM-vr6xx]

Scottie's peers (players at the time) said that he would be the best player on another team if he didn't play next to Jordan and there is proof that he would've been.

[@Edd_LShore]

He wouldve lead his own team and get the respect he deserves. If Reggie freaking Miller was a franchise player in the 90s, even thinking that Pippen wouldnt have been just fine without MJ shadow is idiotic

[@IconicUniverse4L]

Shack last point was trash😂😂 Kobe is not melo if he doesn’t have shaq. Melo had good teams with the nuggets and the knicks at one point he was never the guy to lead the team to the chip. That argument is dead

[@TheKjh33]

“I would trade LeBron for Victor”y’all lost your basketball credentials. The loud talk doesn’t make you any more right. It’s so much I could say from the Scottie & Kobe takes but it’s to much to type but Scottie Pippen would’ve been a great player without Michael “All Star and MVP candidate” Scottie never had a team constructed around him and players to compliment his play style where he was given the keys to a franchise and if your thinking of the 94’ 95’ season the bulls was the same bulls just without Michael Jordan because his retirement after the 93’ season was shocking to everybody so the roster was never tweaked to bring in another equal alongside Scottie so when you mention Demar or Jimmy any other compatible players today those player where given the keys to a franchise and the roster was built around them or they jumped to a team already constructed. It’s so much more I could say but the Scottie slander is ridiculous the NBA then isn’t what is today more possessions along with the love of 3 pointers, no hand checks players should score more today, also rebound and assist etc. So some things you have to be logical cause you can’t compare everything equally just from numbers. Also players health, players careers are longer now due to less physical contact less back to backs better team doctors etc. So players prime today will be longer because things are just better than they was in the 90’s early 00’s that’s just facts.

[@Dontresssmith3757]

So you can reverse that question what has MJ done without scottie Pippen and PJ they Don't Remember hes 1-9 if they Got Scottie Pippen to a Team like the super sonics they would dominate which they did draft him but they traded him to Chicago The Disrespect is Real for Scottie this is what they do smdh 🤦‍♂️

[@Akeeyama]

Bruh Pippen went further in the playoffs without Jordan then Jordan did without Jordan. 🤣🤣🤣. I know this a lazy and casual take. But just wanna laugh hard

[@lamontewilliams203]

Ticket is absolutely correct about Scottie. Scottie was good on defense, but Pip at times was challenged offensively. In no way was Pip as talented as DeRozan on offense.

[@Supreme36074]

He acts like Kwai didn’t come in coming off the bench, Kobe & other greats 😂😂 if he was playing without Jordan & a perennial all star that means he would’ve been in the hall regardless. & he didn’t get paid a 100 million in Houston. Wasn’t there two years , & had lost Horace Grant the second year on top of Mike, stop it … & he lead Portland to the Western Conference Finals

[@jonwan]

First of all @15:53 is by FAR Shaqs nastiest Kobe take smh. Second of all the real question is what is Shaqs Career without Kobe? And 3rd of all Del Harris stunted Kobe’s growth by not starting him like the Cavs Started LeBron from the first game. Kobe went through alot of growing pains because his coach didn’t believe in him so yea he did have to take alot of shots because his time was limited on the court due to Eddie Jones being an allstar SG at the time taking minutes away from Kobe even when Kobe was better than Eddie from Jump street. Let’s stop pretending that Kobe wasn’t ready when he entered the leauge cause he was. Kobe’s first biggest road block to overcome was unfortunately his head coach because no franchise at the time was starting a 6’6 Rookie straight out of high school especially when the leauge was big man driven at the time not guard driven like how it’s today.

[@michaelallen8112]

Scottie as rookie came in score 24 when he was put in as starter in game 5 clinching series vs Cavs. . Kobe was shooting airball vs the jazz cut it out.. ticket need get his facts straight. Dell Harris didnt get fire until 1998 because they couldn't defeat the jazz..Kobe was on that team too

[@curiouslymavismade]

If Pippen didn't play with Jordan, he would have been a starter, but he wouldn't have got a ring, a PJ Tucker type player.

[@Supreme36074]

Kobe didn’t start because he was great he started because he was popular early on. Traded Divac for a high school kid who they thought would be great , he didn’t come in great, he too had to learn & Phil ass already eyeing the Laker job, when he left Chicago Del Harris’ days were numbered because Shaq had already said he wanted to play for him & Tex Winters the architect of the triangle had been on record years before saying the triangle wasn’t made for a player like Jordan, it was made for a player like Shaq. So all that’s bs & not taking anything away from Bean & his eventual greatness but anyone who was a adult & not a kid & fan boying out, those were Shaqs team … simply .

[@y2shuproblem]

Vlade Divac didn't make the All Star team until 2001, over 4 years after the Kobe trade. Ticket is so wrong here.

[@charcoalcowboy]

Shaq was a greater all time player than Kobe and it’s ridiculous to me that it’s even a debate. Shaq in his third year led the magic to the damn finals. Like please stop. Phil Jackson is who maximized Kobe. Kobe never even won a playoff series without Phil. So let’s keep it all the way real.

[@Y2KJake]

Pippen would definitely be a superstar or prenial all-star 94, which definitely proves that. But his ego would've been his downfall, especially when he sat out