Primeape-Line Solo Challenge - Pokemon FireRed

Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
Rule details:
-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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[@MrStrawtube]

I think a solo Yellow challenge with a backported Annihilape would be fun!

[@cameronclevenger8215]

PLEASE? 🙏

[@randaljr.8581]

rage fist would be so broken. even a base 50 ghost move would be good

[@TheArchit3cture]

Who? Huh? This is a job for Google isn't it...

[@kingandyk3439]

Yes

[@stardf29]

@@randaljr.8581Scott probably won’t backport Rage Fist because its effect does not have a counterpart in Gen 1. Though I think it’d be hilarious if he made Rage Fist have the same mechanics as Rage…

[@MasterofInterspace]

I think the Venusaur team would have actually been a harder team for Primeape to take on. Two pokemon with intimidate, and Venusaur doesn't have a four times weakness.

[@depotheose7890]

to be fair, venusaur used to have a 4x weakness

[@lemongan]

primeape doesn't learn any bug move ? @@depotheose7890

[@snakeywakey3893]

@@depotheose7890 True, but the moves that it was 4x weak to were rare and not very strong.

[@depotheose7890]

@@snakeywakey3893 true

[@celestialfinizen2018]

The whole 'Primeape learns Rest' thing reminds me of my first playthrough of Ruby, when I got REALLY confused why my Slaking could never finish using Solarbeam. I think that I believed Truant was random. Oh, and Shedinja can learn Sandstorm.

[@ryomaanime4563]

the lengendary sandstorm shedinja

[@GKoopa]

i love this bit in the firered videos where scott _always_ trash talks koga's team and immediately proceeds to have trouble with it

[@maxspecs]

Well yeah, Koga fields the enigmatic Venomoth, no one knows what that monster is gonna do.

[@KRP71390]

With these Fire Red play throughs, I’m starting to wonder if you’re keeping Dig for too long on instinct from all your Gen 1 runs. Granted, we’re only seeing major battles, so maybe it’s more useful when training and/or traveling , but I really don’t see you using it much, since all the Pokemon you would use it on all seem to have levitate or Earthquake/Magnitude

[@Zorafin]

Man easily plowing through Brock, but taken out by a weedle. What a run!

[@jacksonportnoff841]

You've probably figured this out by now since I know these were very old playthroughs, but replacing Squirtle with your starter instead of Bulbasaur would probably make these runs a lot harder for physical mons. Needing to deal with both Arcanine and Gyarados's Intimidates is easily more threatening than whatever Exeggutor is supposed to get done.

[@Chronoflation]

Looking forward to the brick break, bulk up, substitute, and rock slide moveset playthrough. I personally prefer the neutral natures for comparison challenges like this, but seeing Primeape get those near KOs with an adamant nature alone will feel a lot better

[@Goldenhawk0]

Watching you learn and improve in real time is neat. I would like to see second playthroughs sometime. Especially for something as big as skipping bulk-up

[@PKMN649]

Love the videos. About Raticate it wasn't held back by its stats, you just didn't use its ability

[@grundgutigertv6170]

Scott: "I love consistency!" Me: *seeing how he regularly uses 55% and 60% accurate sleep moves* "Yeah. Consistency." 😅

[@bradlyhaskell9821]

if the Pokémon is bad enough that is consistent... says how bad some mons are

[@emilydonegan3208]

Oh heck Scott, seeing this pop up made me break the chronological order, I *had* to watch this, Mankey and Primeape are two of my all-time favorite Pokémon! I’ll get back in order afterwards looool

[@ArecnaD2]

defiant really helped primeape more than I ever realized huh also I keep questioning why dig is used so often in these fire red playthroughs when everything that keeps it would do better with anything else (like bulk up for example) hey the bulk up was acknowledged! nice

[@Glidus]

One of these days Scott is going to say "and of course Koga has the Bug/Poison type Venomoth so that'll be a big problem" and I will completely believe it's just another iteration of the joke

[@MoriartyGod]

Scott is the best Pokémon KZbinr. Hands down.

[@Naxhus2]

I really like the retrospective nature of these playthroughs. Great work as always, Scott!

[@adamdean7013]

One of my favorites. Never used this mon until a recent playthrough of LG. Loved it, and you get it so early on- now I'm building a gba with a primape shell. Can't wait to get the parts.

[@TateS26]

Really been enjoying these gen 3 runs scott!

[@DanBottiglieri]

32:31 Umm Scott, it's because you have Vital Spirit as your ability... Sleep Powder ain't doing shit. Missing Bulk Up makes me very sad, I think you could have done this run quite a bit faster with it. I love Primeape, I was so pleased to see it get such a cool evolution in Gen 9. Zomg, please do a Yellow Annihalape back port with Drain Punch and Shadow Punch/Shadow Ball! Rage Punch probably wouldn't be possible to code in Gen I. Also I think you forgot about held items for a lot of the run. Primeape can learn Thief, so you can get yourself a Black Belt by fighting the fighting double battle on Route 15 and stealing it from either of the HitMons, which would have allowed you to get better ranges on Brick Break particularly for Pidgeot in Rival 5.

[@yorecf9641]

Yeah, Dig was largely useless in this run. Replacing it with Bulk Up for both attack and defense boosts likely would've helped, especially with all of the Intimidates flying around.

[@ElliottDent]

I actually let out a small scream of terror when you clicked Rock Slide on Blaine's low-HP Arcanine...

[@iskander0725]

I have watched a lot of these videos over the past few weeks. I have never ever seen such a burning hatred of the Pidgey line. While I may understand full well why you feel this way, I do want to note it because it is so unique.

[@thorhlavaty8345]

I think the ai can see your ability, which is why the champion's Exeggutor didn't go for sleep powder.

[@gaminggoddess85]

Although that one pokemon did try to use Yawn on him.

[@thorhlavaty8345]

@@gaminggoddess85 Yeah, I would imagine the ai considers yawn a "status" move and not a "sleep" move.

[@gmkgoat]

I’m glad you mentioned Bulk Up because I definitely spent the first 20 minutes wondering when you were going to get it.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

Hmm I'm not sure I want to come to any decisions regarding Primeape yet. Bulk Up and Substitute is such a powerful combination together. I'm pretty sure had you known you could have done Koga basically instantly as that fight would have been totally free. There's not just a lot of unfamiliarity with the games to shake off (I can't exactly help, I don't really like FRLG), but also I feel like FRLG are going to require a different set of strategies for various fights that we haven't seen in runs yet. Your videos are still super fun though, thanks for making them~

[@aarongeorge8175]

If there's one thing I've learned from this series, it's that Dig is really bad after Generation I! It can't be used on Agatha, Koga, or Giovanni, and it's 60 power is basically outclassed by Return and other moves, even when it's hitting a weakness. It feels like you learn this lesson by the end of every one of these Fire Red playthroughs, but then I see you using it again in the next one! Maybe one day you'll pass it by.

[@IrrelevantPride]

I'm always shocked that you only have 60k subscribers. Your videos are such high quality, you clearly need to be boosted up

[@britishpalmtree9268]

I'm enjoying your fire red series somuch! Primeape is one of my all time favs! And Nidoking is another, so I can't wait to see your next vid!

[@ryonrhoades5777]

I get that return is a great move, but I feel like it is very overused. I feel like agility would be more exciting at this point because it feels like every video if the pokemon can learn it, its on the move set asap. Other than that I really enjoy your style of solo challenges and your consistency with posting. Really makes getting through work week easier. Keep up the great work!

[@hotlikesauce]

agreed.

[@typhoon008]

Hi, Scott 🙂 I'm not sure you have chosen this time the best rival possible. It's true that charizard is flying type and you have a weakness to it, but having a double SE move against it seems too much for me 😖 Blastoise has much better defense and it's neutral to the physical moves, and venusaur resists your brick break and thunderbolt attacks while it's accompanied by 2 intimidate users in the team (gyarados, arcanine) I'm sure you are getting similar results at least, but these teams seem more challenging 🙂

[@youtube-kit9450]

Physical attackers always should face Venusaur just because of the double intimidate and feather dance

[@Grumblegore]

You're really spoiling us with all these videos! Thanks Scott!

[@valentinsilva1850]

Nice video. Little advice, if your fighting pokemon can learn rock tomb, teach them after getting from brock. Rock tomb will make pidgeot a one shot almost any time

[@uli11]

My first ever exposure to Pokemon was the Anime dub- the Mankey/Raichu episode where Ash catches him and cant control him/loses his hat. I adored that episode, and Primeape became a favorite of mine because of it. I thought he was so cool and Mankey was so cute. I wiuld have loved to see this one optimized with bulk up- just to have more space to shine. I'd bet you could get a sub 90 min easy.

[@Munja03]

Hey Scott, I've got an idea for how you can diversify your solo runs. You mention multiple times here (and in previous videos) how you prefer accurate moves (as do i). What do you think about doing second runs with pokemon using more risky, less accurate moves? Like putting cross chop, etc on the moveset and seeing if the risks vs rewards make any difference.

[@Redrage11]

Excited to see the mankey line. Primape and nidoking carried my first run through pokemon yellow when I was 7 and didn't realize how bad it is. Low kick helped me through brock so I kept it

[@dirtyden1]

If you use Secret power on a Pokémon that has static or Poison Point, it won't activate. Plus have you ever thought of automatically setting your starter with a beneficial nature?

[@Girthquake.88]

"I dont kmow about you, but I have not gone through the Pokédex and memorized EVERY Pokémon's weight" *Unfathomably Based as usual*

[@Steve_A93]

Thinking about backports, I would love to see you run through the game with Annihilape at some point. Either firered or yellow :)

[@germanoschefo]

ive been waiting for this one a long time, thanks scott ❤️

[@nicklord7866]

Talk about perfect timing, I was fighting immortals as terran in SC2 while listening/watching!

[@alijohar4937]

Scott you need to start using your 100% accurate moves when Pokémon are at red health. You always use the same inaccurate moves and they always risk giving you a completely avoidable reset. 23:25 being an example (even though you didn’t rest)

[@gaminggoddess85]

I'm sure his 5 months ago self would've appreciated that information.

[@alijohar4937]

@@gaminggoddess85 I’m saying this because he does it in his newer runs as well.

[@PegbordFegs]

"Giovanni has an Onix and Bruno has two Onix, but they're Onix, so yeah." You're asking to catch a Rock Throw to the groin with that one.

[@DharokHardOn]

Low kick being your weigh through Brock cos his pokemon are heavy, well played sir

[@Smileyrat]

I dont know if this is the plan, but i like the idea that all of the remakes are used to test full evolution lines.

[@Thebald22]

I think Rest is one of the moves that is pretty much learned by every Pokémon that can learn the standard TMs. Also, from Gen 4/5, Primeapes that have other abilities can actually use Rest, so it doesn't make zero sense there in the end. In this generation this probably was an oversight as abilities had just been introduced there.🙂

[@andreapareti324]

14:52 in regards to Primeape being able to learn Rest... well, in this case, it's also a matter of Rest Primeape being grandfathered in from previous Generations were abilities were not yet a thing, but the Mankey line can fittingly have Anger Point as its ability starting from Gen 4, which doesn't conflict with Rest... it's overall a matter of "giving a Pokémon fitting moves regardless of abilities or other factors that might conflict with them, akin to even weirder cases, like Rest or Sandstorm Shedinja or Attract Cryogonal. I do agree that Rest doesn't particularly fit this line and I probably would not have given it to them in the first place, but, at this point..

[@VegeMaticPragtarian]

It’d be interesting to know what the optimum amount of base speed to have is to out-speed the most important opponents in each generation/game

[@grinbrothers]

In the same only Nuzlocke that cost me the chance to try out the Rattata line, I also lost the chance to try out Primeape line (he was just 3 levels from evolving). So this will be nice to see a Pokémon I've been curious about demonstrated. 0:32 - The frail nature of Mankey is oddly nice though in terms of making it very distinctive amongst the Kanto Fighting types, who seem to have more spread out stats (usually with only one failing stat). Also, fitting the nickname is Angry. 2:01 - So Low Kick did have some uniqueness to it before, though obviously the weight damage factor was significantly more unique, so a welcome change. 3:12 - Bug Catcher Doug doing his part to demonstrate the awesomeness of Bug Pokémon. A shame about Angry the Mankey here though. Even if Low Kick was like it was before though, the dual resistance of Bug and Poison would still make Scratch Mankey's best option here. 6:10 - Fascinating, rather cool that they specifically did that with the Move Tutors. It also helps give a further differing element to these games, despite remakes. 9:37 - Quite a few, "I'll deal with you later" moments popping up at this section of the game. It seems a spot of poor luck was simply in your way with both encounters, so I feel a second or third go at Misty and your rival respectively would have garnered you your needed results (or not relying on Mega Kick, as you might as well use Secret Power and hope for paralysis at that point). 11:25 - Turns out, the answer was Brick Break. Also, loving Primeape's backsprite here. 15:08 - The un-Resting Primeape preceded the un-Attractive Cryogonal. 16:26 - It is nice to see the Dig TM didn't go to waste. It may not have been needed against Surge but it was handy against Koga. 21:03 - I've long felt Pokémon had a thing against Physical Attackers. A lot of the Physical types went a long time without high damage dealing moves (or were awkward to obtain) whereas the good Special Attacks were often available as TMs. Furthermore, even to this day, there aren't many moves that specifically lower Special Attack. 23:25 - I did feel it was strange that you were using Rock Slide so often but never getting a flinch off of it. Happy to see you deliver one at the perfect time here. 26:26 - I would have just assumed that Primeape could be taught Bulk Up. It seems a natural fit for the Pokémon. There "where" however I wouldn't know unless I looked it up. Planning out good move-set choices ahead of time and thus looking where to obtain them would be ideal. 29:18 - Even funnier is that both those moves would become Special one gen later. Agatha was unfortunately forward thinking. 30:55 - I can see where having Thunderbolt might be handy but... abandoning your one STAB move for it? An interesting play. 33:26 - No Bulk Up and Primeape still ranks pretty decently. That's great to see.

[@manuelpavanello90]

I think that second runs are always better, so don't be sad. Practice makes somebody perfect.

[@red-eyessolares1817]

I think an important option that should be considered along with Substitute for Primeape is Bulk Up which you can get in Silph Co. That could have potentially made it where you didn’t have to train as much.

[@theone825]

I’ve been thinking about the Gen 3 runs, and I think what’s hurting is the move to EVs. A lot of early Pokémon give speed EVs, where a lot of the time you’re lacking ATK/SpA I’m sure it’s been said but just a thought…

[@thebigbean8783]

I just used a mankey/primeape to blow through yellow so I could get tms for some pokemon on pokemon Gold, and it was super great. I didn't beat the game or anything, but it was a force to be reckoned with. I think this could do a pretty solid job.

[@PillzmansFox]

You know i wonder if they didn't add a special type intimidate because you get thr atk boost badge before sp.atk, doesn't make sense now with so much things counter to attackers but not special attackers but kinda make sense for at least gen 3

[@ZerglingOne1]

Mankey and Primeape are in my top 5 favorite ideas for pokémon. The execution just...isn't the best. I still love them, but they're SOOOOO frail. But they are unusual for a gen 1 fighting type. Primeape is *fast* and Mankey has a direct answer for Brock. I haven't watched yet, but I'll edit as I go with my thoughts. Edit: Yep, that went about as well as I thought without bulk up. Pretty well, but kinda inconsistent due to how weak it is defensively. I think you're right though, having Primeape set up as a mixed sweeper cuts out a lot of setup time. The times are probably similar, but we never know how much training you could have cut out with bulk-up in your set since there are no optimized runs, of course.

[@NativeGolfer10]

I grew up on Blue, so I’m always surprised how well Mankey does on a team when I use. I’m excited to see how it does.

[@RobK0304]

I just did a Venu run in Fire Red and oh boy I missed the Bodyslam on the SS Ann. I had tackle on my Venusaur all the way to Erica where I replaced it with Secret Power.

[@naraiceylob]

Hey Scott. While you mention that you aren't using substitute because you don't know about it can I be honest. I'd prefer if you didn't start using it. Every pokemon gets substitute and its so op in some areas that its the obvious way for every pokemon to go. This is a major reason why you banned double team tm in yellow.

[@dragonslayerz2220]

Substitute has a severe cost, mainly money but also extra turns in battle.

[@dominatoryaya224]

Love your work ❤ Still waiting for gengar alkzam rematch 😊

[@danielosorno4266]

You also could have given Primeape Thief temporarily in Giovanni's gym and steal the Black Belt from a Machoke belonging to any of the Blackbelts in the gym.

[@angelotirado3542]

Brave or quiet nature primeape would go crazy. It's fast enough to sacrifice some speed

[@Navytrooper97]

keep low kick man, lapras, closter,machamp, arcanine take lots of damage from it. Plus 100 % precision.

[@TastyMeerkat]

The mention of Intimidate and physical attackers getting punished made me think. We haven't had a special type version of Intimidate? Unless Gen 9 has something and I missed it.

[@danielwatson2173]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but on the first Lorelei fight when Cloyster used dive, couldn't you have used dig so when Cloister missed you would have hit potentially taking Cloister out?

[@ZhangLiao07]

I'm not sure if it's in gen 3. But in some generations you can tell a pokemon is heavy when it enters battle it lands with a noticeably harder. That could be like a gen 5 thing though

[@lazypaladin]

Gen 5 Onwards. Fully Animated Sprites weren't fully implemented until then, still surprised how many players *_don't_* notice that detail though even to this day.

[@eorthanes]

Dumb question. I know you always take the starter that gives you the most trouble during the playthrough. Wouldn't Blastoise or Venusaur be more difficult than Charizard bescause of a second intimidate of Arcanine ? (anyways, both the charizard and the intimidate problem would be solved by Bulk Up to +6 in atk and def...)

[@Rad343]

10:11 Damn!!! That's cold!

[@gregoryruelas2873]

It can learn thunderbolt???!!!!!!!!

[@Randroth]

This is actually the first game I used Primeape in, and I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.

[@rafilosofo]

Don't you guys found it odd that Mega Kick and Mega Punch is Normal instead of Fighting? Even as a child that botters me

[@bobjoe3492]

My favorite part of this run was when Scott said "It's primin' time" then his primeape went monke everywhere.

[@rtyuik7]

21:23 - nice in-game time, saving in front of Sabrina B-)

[@ArispeMatt]

I think Mankey and Primeape learning Rest is a legacy thing. They could in RBY, where abilities weren't a thing and it probably just got brought forward without thinking about the ability.

[@chrisdaignault9845]

Also it only matters when their ability actually is Vital Spirit and hasn't been swapped or suppressed. I don't know if that's possible in Gen 3, but the edge cases probably weren't worth outlawing a TM over.

[@Burningtreeblood]

“I have not memorized every pokemons weight” (takes their nose out their pokedex…) how dare you sir. -on another note hisuian Typhlosion has a nice weight

[@Batlas]

I wonder if you can do HP azu before getting all badges without some weird hax. Guess I'ma consult the googles.

[@mmpsp693]

I do wonder if keeping Karate Chop or Focus Energy would be a good alternative for intimidate pokemon

[@apollobro91_2]

Seeing Primeape use Thunderbolt on Gyarados is so satisfying. Why does this game have so many Intimidate users? Fighting types got so much hate in Kanto and Johto.

[@christianbolner3609]

Raichu in gen 4 can get nasty plot as a pichu and learns the tm for grass knot for excellent coverage and can beat 4 of the 5 ground elite 4 members pokemon.

[@nbonasoro]

I forget if I heard it on this channel but there's a theory that the pokeballs brainwash the pokemon. Can you blame the trainer?!?!? If you walked around with a wild animal you were caging up that could hurl thunderbolts at you like Zeus I would want to brainwash them too!

[@chineseman6580]

Every flying type should be able to fly. Why can’t Garodos fly!?

[@justsomevideos8101]

Doduo / Dodrio don't have wings but can fly

[@danielrobinsonchangemyvisi3195]

Primape, my favorite pokemon episode

[@rexdavis12]

Primeape learns Iron Tail….. don’t think about it

[@creatureofthenight20]

How does primeape use iron tail.....🤔

[@Cheef.SteveX0]

Buns of steel

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Iron Tail Alakazam moment

[@misirtere9836]

Very carefully. Just ask the one from Pokepark Wii.

[@fernandoguillen5996]

I have the theory the primeapes uses their "cheeks" for iron tail

[@cesarferreira386]

Next time do it the eggxecute pokemon Scott thank you I really enjoy your videos👍😁

[@dylandavis5240]

I’ve always loved primape but hated using it. Would love to shred through old games with annihilape though.

[@horhey13]

I just fininished a FireRed Nuzlock and I also named my Primeape Angry

[@BranRidire]

"Why didn't you use [Dig] against the Muk? It deals more damage!!!" (Close enough?)

[@Unotuchable]

I call my Mankey Furious G.

[@WooliteMammoth]

Re: rest, nobody uses that move in playthroughs, which is what younger kids playing pokemon mostly do. Only good moves are ones that do damage in playthroughs since you have options for tanking and type coverage.

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

4:54 Onix has base 45 attack and Tackle's base power was 35 before gen 5. 14:46 It could learn Rest in the first 2 gens and they actually forgot to remove it from its TM learnset as they were working on its ability. 33:10 That's Arcanine's cry.

[@chrisdaignault9845]

I doubt they forgot, they probably just didn't want to. And they'd have had to give it right back in Gen 4 when 1/2 of all Mankey would have Anger Point instead of Vital Spirit.

[@stevensurnear8938]

I've always said instead of vital spirit as an ability Primeape should have been given guts

[@davidestabrooks211]

It’s interesting to hear Scott talk about physical attackers getting their badge boost so early but in all honesty physical attacks get so badly punished in the early gens. Between special being combined in gen 1 and then in gen 2 things like the punches still being a freakin special movie and then finally in gen 3 the absolute silliness of intimidate. Like why does this only hit the physical attack stat. Like it says your opponent is intimidated and it lowers atttack so once again special attacks have nothing to fear and it’s not like anything has changed in what like 6 or 7 generations now. Just stupid imagine there is a super widely available availing that lowered enemy special attack and it stacks like it’s not like intimidate goes away on switch out like why does the Gyrados getting swapped out mean I am still intimidated by like the Eggexcute that comes out next or something.

[@maxspecs]

I feel like if Primape had Defiant as its ability it would do so much better in this game.

[@tubbyyt367]

Or an original Starcraft Broodwar, seige tank vs Zelots/zerglings... lol

[@DLC88]

Nice! Is spearow line next?

[@gaminggoddess85]

He literally said Nidoking is next.

[@DLC88]

@@gaminggoddess85 boo do spearow

[@gaminggoddess85]

I use these monke a lot in gen 1 to deal with Brock because my conscience won't let me choose another starter besides Charmander. But since they gave Charmander Metal Claw in gen 3 specifically to deal with Brock I tend to not use it so much here.

[@kclink1579]

Also Mankey and Ratata have 2nd evolution.

[@nicholaskling2425]

I think it’s funny how you keep saying Koga’s pure poison team is weaker and then getting multiple resets every run from it

[@dragonslayerz2220]

It's weaker, but Scott is used to playing around the Venomoth team.

[@shadowtitanx3962]

The Poison/Fairy Venomoth

[@fernandoguillen5996]

Why didn't you teach mankey Rock Tomb after defeating Brock? That would help agaisnt the early bug catchers and the Rival battle at the brisde If a pokemon is weak to bug, flying and fire, make it learn rock tomb if it's possible

[@coolboy111]

One or my OG favs!!!

[@angelotirado3542]

Venasaur rival wouldve been more difficult because of arcanine's intimidate

[@21eeveevulpix]

Plus Venusaur's Resists to Primeapes STAB moves

[@angelotirado3542]

@21eeveevulpix exactly! Like what is charizard doing against primeapes rock slide? Nothing

[@21eeveevulpix]

@@angelotirado3542 Well, this was his first run, maybe when he revisits it, he'll consider changing to the Venusaur Rival. Also Earthquake is Neutral on Venusaur.

[@angelotirado3542]

@@21eeveevulpix I feel his common early mistake is not fully taking abilities into consideration

[@21eeveevulpix]

@@angelotirado3542 He's still learning, give him enough time (plus these runs are from like 9 months ago) and he'll have it all down like he does in Yellow and Crystal.

[@matthewk320]

why reset after losing to the bug catcher? you were lvl 10