Arbok-line Solo Challenge - Pokemon FireRed

[@SandshrewSamurai]

Another Rock Slide user, another attempt to flinch Lance's Dragonite with Inner Focus. You'll remember one day lol

[@Trinthegay]

What constantly playing Crystal does to a mf.

[@ZerglingOne1]

You see, trapping moves in gen 1 were absolutely intentional, even though they're broken. Based on its gen 1 move set, it was supposed to either poison or paralyze you then keep you trapped in Wrap until you faint...kinda how venomous or constrictor snakes work in real life. Once it lost access to Gen 1 Wrap, it lost its niche entirely, and it's just been kinda miserable ever since. This is also how certain Fire pokémon were intended to work. I even suspect Fire Spin was supposed to be able to *CAUSE* a burn, which would have made it much stronger.

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

They just never really improved it's movepool. Why did it take so long for it to get Poison Fang??

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Fire Spin causing a burn would make it stronger for ingame, but arguably weaker against human opponents, since that would mean it unfreezes things.

[@kikomagana1990]

Fire spin with trap, constant damage per turn, PLUS damage from a burn would’ve been too OP

[@ZerglingOne1]

@@kikomagana1990 it's literally like the last fire move basically every slow growth rate fire type learns and Moltres, a legendary, doesn't even get flamethrower because they assumed fire spin was good enough. Again, just look at it less from a competitive standpoint, and more an RPG standpoint, and fire spin being OP like that makes sense. It was even called "the most powerful fire move" in the anime if I recall correctly.

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

@ Well, more likely it doesn't learn Flamethrower because they mistyped the value in the code and accidentally gave it Leer instead.

[@KD8_NotTheShoes]

ik this whole channel is based on being consistent, but i love the "inconsistencies" between the games i really like how some games have evolution and some dont, i like how every game treats the post game (if there is one) different as well, it differentiates every series and makes all of them feel fresh especially when comparing remakes to the ogs

[@metathpr4h290]

You don't know how hard you have just saved me from boredom after I opened youtube and I saw this upload. Very excited to watch this video, happy year of the snake!

[@TheAnalyticalEngine]

It's criminal how late the Sludge Bomb TM is - as if poison types weren't already getting a raw deal back then

[@tsawy6]

Huh i literally had no idea where it was in emerald, despite having played that game a lot. You gotta return to dewford after norman. Likewise, in gen 2 you gotta back track to 43 after defeating team rocket

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

@ At least in those two games it's easily obtainable once you know where it is.

[@brandonsoto7225]

Yeah, no reason why others can’t learn Sludge besides Koffing

[@tsawy6]

@TheShinyFeraligatr definite time investment but yeah totally doable if you need it

[@ethanpeschman4458]

My daughter (7 months old) gets super vocal when i have your videos playing lol. These are also pretty much the only video she'll fall asleep to lol.

[@tupacshakur5868]

maybe dont let your baby watch videos xD at least let her be a child before the tech addiction kicks

[@ethanpeschman4458]

@tupacshakur5868 who said she was watching it? I said she can hear it. I put these videos on in the background frequently when doing chores around the house.

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

And thus we reach #3 in the "WHY IS SLUDGE BOMB POSTGAME" series, after Beedrill and Golbat.

[@That_Guy_Nee]

This is definitely a problem Arbok has carried even into more recent games. In Ultra Sun/Moon Arbok doesn't have a usable Poison attack until Gunk Shot (LV 63) or Poison Jab (In Victory Road....which you'll reach around lv 62-63)

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

@@That_Guy_Nee True, but it effects nearly every poison type in FRLG - pretty much all of them but Muk (who, happy days, just naturally learns the move), Venusaur (who is just generally really good), Nidoking and Nidoqueen (who have massive movepools), and Tentacruel/Gengar (who are Specially focused in general, although Tenta likes it in the postgame with Swords Dance as an option). Hurts Parasect and Tangela (who both have barely any moves) as a side effect too, annoyingly.

[@That_Guy_Nee]

@TheShinyFeraligatr I completely agree that it affects a lot of pokemon, but most of the others tend to have other things to make up for lacking that. Arbok doesn't and is arguably in a worse situation now than in gen 3. It gets Coil later on, but loses Acid in the phys/spec split, (in my opinion making the moveset slightly worse for a playthrough)

[@ChrisG667]

My only guess why they did this was for the “authentic Gen 1 experience” of most Poison types being pure ass in a Kanto playthrough? Though I’d have to preface that and say “pure” Poison types suck in Gen 1 cause most of the dual typed Poison types are decent with their primary typing.

[@salamense6791]

38:00 You can't flinch Dragonite. I think teaching Return some time before Geovanni and keeping Earthquake for round 2 is the play

[@raikaria3090]

The Arbok line has a special place in my heart, because my first ever successful Nuzlocke was of Red, with no dupes clause because Gen 1. I wound up with 2 Arbok; Slither and Slide. One was a Wrapper/Glarer, the other was Dig Toxic.

[@2n3j1h2]

One day, the flinching inner focus dragonites will be the new meme on this channel. Assuming he isn't already saying it as a meme now.

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

The Arkbok line never really got their move pools fixed, even in Gen 4. For some reason, like Muk, they got stuck with a giant pile of Special moves instead of getting them swapped to w Physical equivalent. *And for some god forsaken reason they don't have Poison Fang*

[@hojo-was-right8175]

missed opportunity to say "a stockpile of special moves" but yeah totally agree. Does Seviper learn Poison Fang though? I know it has Poison Tail though

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

@hojo-was-right8175 Dont think it does, but Tail works fine

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

Arbok and Ekans are pretty charming for me, idk what is it about Pokemon like them or Magnemite and Magneton that's so cool to me

[@JayHankEdLyon]

I remember my first Ruby playthrough when my Poochyena evolved into Mightyena and I made it like two levels before the Intimidate text bugged me so much that I dropped him.

[@kingbeerz7978]

I think this is the first time Caterpie has ever been called fearsome. I'm sure this run will go great!

[@t.o.g.thatoneguy5130]

gata say I prefer the old thumbnails BUT its easier to see what game is being played, I like the game cartage being there its way easier to know what game this is on.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yup. That is one of the problems I've been trying to solve. It's bothered me for years with the old thumbnails.

[@t.o.g.thatoneguy5130]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon If that was the problem you wanted to solve this solution definitely works!

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

@ I like the cartridges in the thumbnail, but the arrow pointing to the cartridges is pretty unneeded. Even if it is a Venomoth head. On the other hand if, the next time you did a Venomoth video, it was like 50% the arrows, that'd be pretty funny.

[@josephicikson1959]

Rest and Shed Skin is actually a solid combo

[@Kanbei11]

I quite like the different games having different rules to be honest, it gives each game a bit of diversity imo

[@frankieinjapan]

HGSS makes sense for league rematches. The whole point of the challenges is to complete the game, which usually means champion. However HGSS gives you 2 entire games and sets of badges. It feels like it goes against Pokemons entire gameplay loop if you don't clear the elite four after a second set of 8 badges.

[@welshlout3400]

It’s definitely an appreciated addition in the remakes, but Red was effective in the OG games as the natural final challenge after defeating the 8 Kanto gym leaders (with the last fought always being Blue). I think in a narrative/thematic sense Red is still the perfect final opponent in the remakes; it’s not exactly that the 2nd round of the league fills a gap in the original’s loop. What I think the rematches do best is this subtle addition to the canon: the league members in the remakes evidently field multiple teams that let them cater to the relative power of Johto’s and Kanto’s gym challenges. I do agree that it does at least allow the player to experience a post-game with more story symmetry to the main game ending with the league

[@WorkInProgressX]

I always thought that Gen4-5 movesets is where they got it going, and all your runs confirmed it for me. Gen 4-5 is the sweetspot imo, with Gen 1 still being interesting due to the way many moves worked there as opposed to new generations

[@robbindahood11]

Who is actually using an Arbok in gens 1-3? Nobody. Nobody fought ekans on a rocket squad and thought “that! That’s the strongest most awesomest Pokémon ever, I need that” gamefreak never intended these Pokémon as more than a weak NPC minion, let alone a user controlled Pokechad. Good job Scott! You’re my favorite KZbinr since sliced bread

[@Crystarmi]

I used Arbok in Crystal and in Fire Red. In FR he was on my team from the beginning and stayed even past E4.

[@jonathanabgrall6075]

Always thought Arbok was underated, i cleared the battle maison in Gen 6 using one as a pivot (to be fair a big reason for picking it was that i needed a poison type to use as a bait for my Zoroark, since the AI would see it and throw Psychics into it). Its stats sucks but it has really rare/powerful moves in the form of Glare and Coil, Intimidate is obviously a good ability and it has decent coverage in the form of Earthquake.

[@derekberthiaume5367]

How do you plan on tackling trade evolutions in FRLG

[@nicholasdismukes6741]

Why on Earth did you get rid of glare it would have solved many of your early game issues. I mean I do see that bite had additional utility later on but I think glare would have overall been better

[@shootingstardust97]

Just something to help a bit for rival 2, Scott, there is a hidden oran berry at route 3 where the youngster with a single high level spearow is, u do need to jump fown the ledge to obtain it but he is optional to fight while grabbing the oran berry, the extra 10hp may help a tiny bit during the early game Also, for FR runs, I strongly encourage to do a half silph run right after the pkmn tower section, the amt of free vitamins in there is so high that even if u do not need them they could be sold at celadon for even more cash to get other essentials u need for the lategame, plus u can do early training there since exp yield as u mentioned in a lot of your videos are decent for that section of the game. Do consider that for maybe the first playthrough since if u are fast it should not take more than 5mins when there are only about 2-3 mandatory trainers for u to grab all the high value items

[@Bi_Polar_Bear420]

Can't wait to see a shiny complete one of these challenges

[@fabiomcmuffin]

I want to see this guy in Heart Gold where he can learn the Elemental Fang moves

[@MaddMoke]

I'll never understand why Yellow took away Sabrina's diverse team of Psychics and gave one of them (Venomoth) to Koga. What is Brock going to get some water types in Gold and Silver pfffft as if

[@derekberthiaume5367]

I'll never understand why a game that attempted to follow the anime didn't give blaine a magmar

[@retloclive9118]

Pokemon Yellow was released in Japan (September 12, 1998) just a few weeks after the two Blaine episodes came out in Japan (August 13/20, 1998). Most educated guess is that Yellow was way too late into development to give Blaine a Magmar.

[@derekberthiaume5367]

@@retloclive9118 I learned something today

[@Monthly-Robot]

Also, it’s because Venomoth is a mono poison type.

[@tysonpestner]

You’re the man, Scott

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

When I was a kid and I played Fire Red for the first time I was convinced that Ekans was unobtainable for some reason because I never found any in the wild. It never occurred to me to check if you could find it anywhere lol

[@myggmastaren3365]

I have a cool Ekans pokemoncard where it peeks out from a tree hollow

[@JunkVT]

Would love to see a Magmar Fire Red run!

[@MrMovees87]

I don’t think I’ve ever used Arbok even once in any play through of a Pokemon game in my 20+ years of playing them, haha Also, on the (kind of same) subject of the Elite 4 rematches, it gave me a thought: Even if just for fun, would you ever consider showing off the Gym Leader rematches in your Heart Gold series at some point?

[@jamescarstairs3384]

is mentioning picking up Attract and not doing anything with it a bit you're doing now?

[@Jnadeau]

Just a small idea I got that might be interesting for the stats readout of the pokemon, it might be interesting to group them instead of going in order. What I mean, is that if attack and special attack would be said one after the other, it would not require remembering it while mentioning the other stat as much to find out if it's a physical or special attacker. I think speed could be another stat with named after the attack and special attacksince it's the other important stats for an offensive orientated pokemon. Then having hp, def and sp. def together might make it slightly easier to get an idea of the bulk it has, and once again, no need to remember the defense while the other stats are mentionned until special defense to notice if there is a big difference between them,

[@nelsonhernandez7030]

Best Video Ever

[@markjb06]

The way you say exeggcute/or is like torture, otherwise love your stuff.

[@madddd1]

For a second I thought it was Fire series and I panicked that I didn't see any stream vod

[@jordanj2164]

FYI, I believe you can buy the Dig TM in the Celadon Department Store in these games.

[@AlexSchlessman]

If only shed skin could shed the skin off of the snakes eyeballs and removing the sand with it.

[@Lanphin88]

Funny when you do muk run you name it kum lol

[@xShail]

32:26 oh. if you mod that requirement out, why do you not mod the League Rematch Requirements out for the strongest Rival battle in Platin? The enemy Pokemon are around 85 in that fight. It's like the Red Fight in Gen 2.

[@andrewminton669]

Maybe mimicing Sky Attack would help?

[@RsSooke]

The AI suddenly gains Gen 1 level intelligence spamming status moves when you use substitute

[@steinwenaas2767]

I have been thinking about how to make a shed skin arbok usefull in a gen 3 nuzlock. Shed skin makes it wake earlier from rest, and pared with a set up move it could be good. Unfortunately, stockpile does not set you up in gen 3, so we only have double team. After that you do damage with toxic and one attacking move of your choosing. (Earthquake cover toxic imunities from steel and poison if tou want to spend the TM.) I don’t think I wil ever run this, but it has been a good thought experiment.

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

7:30 perfect run ends here, F in the chat Press F to pay respects 8:36 ooooo kabutops makes cameo appearance

[@rickeyjackson4246]

I can’t help but wonder how well deoxys speed would do in yellow

[@thedeadfool1]

The Venasaur team is harder than you think for Arbok. No physical special split yet, types decide Stat use, so Two intimidators, no super effective moves against the starter, and you have to borderline keep bite for random psychic and ghost (levitate gengar) mons. Also, rockslide now only hits two out of six mons on the champion's team for super effective, not three. Sorry for the rambling

[@ProfessorWFS]

Thank you Scott

[@redzeoranger7718]

We need an Arbok vs Seviper video!

[@bryandauzat293]

I believe Arbok is supposed to have different patterns in different regions

[@Marchingvenusaur]

28:07 my dumb ass never gets tired of PP jokes

[@archieblue2801]

Wrap went from potentially broken to awful, making pokemon like ekans & dratini worse off in these solo challenges. I can't wait to see runs starting fully evolved in fire red & heart gold.

[@chrisgonzales4420]

I guess better than constrict, I still don't know why that is even a move that is usually on mid to late game pokemon

[@StartledJC]

I am interested to see results if you start running first-stage mons against the league rematches. My suspicion is that quite a few can squeeze through with double team.

[@SamSays101]

It pained me when you got rid of bite!! Arbok would have breezed thru Koga

[@kaseywalton]

33:36 I hope it is a long time before the fully evolved runs happen. The best thing about this series is playing the entire line.

[@hollowichigo2810]

Funnily enough, I believe Venusaur to be the toughest choice for Arbok to face. Eventual access to Sludge Bomb ensures Exeggutor can go down easy in the rematch teams. Arcanine and Gyarados both have intimidate, and while Venusaur itself might not be very effective, its difference from Exeggutor is small at best (considering Arbok is a physical attacker). In fact, both Exeggutor and Venusaur are bad against Arbok at first - and both gain a way to beat it in the rematch. But Arbok can't hit Venusaur super effectively.

[@tsawy6]

Sludge bomb would have dropped a good few levels for Bruno and giga drain never got clicked!

[@davidwhidden9337]

You may want to have sticky notes for fights on your monitor. No Sludge Bomb. Dragonite cannot flinch. Hyper Beam recharges unlike Gen 1.

[@tarquis_trueshot]

Could you have given Arbok something better than Black Glasses after you forgot bite? I feel like you could have had leftovers or something and done better against Koga.

[@DisasterLord]

My favorite snake, I remember playing blue so my cousin traded me one from Red

[@Salnax]

Why doesn’t Ekans learn Poison Fang or Poison Tail?

[@DarkCloudian]

Why get rid of glare when you could have para-flinched?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Experience. In the past I hold onto moves like Glare way too long and they just don't have much utility. They end up clogging up the moveset and just being dead weight.

[@Stroggoii]

Adamant Arbok would've likely hit all those near-kills that caused so many problems.

[@stevenjackson1285]

Yeah, trying to flinch the inner focus dragonite

[@MrEnte3000]

Dragonite has Inner Focus, it won't flinch.

[@manemanen]

Ive done this solo run on a normal cartridge its pretty good with eartquake and rock slide

[@danielwatson7386]

Saturday morning cartoons energy today

[@vtmagno23]

21:27 You're right that the AI is better than that in Gen 3, the problem is that Giovanni has random AI for some reason.

[@mr.shuckle6656]

Does D nite not have inner focus in gen 3?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It does I just always forget

[@curiousplatypus]

< sees arbok is a long video for fire red and gets excited that it might mean second playthrough optimization for fire red is here > < quickly realizes it's just long because arbok is really bad >

[@austindmunday]

New thumbnail setup?

[@BlackEscanor]

Let's go for my prediction ! Rock Slide Earthquake Sludge bomb Return @leftovers Rank : D

[@Camurgladius]

Nostalgiacally partial to these snakes but their movepools are going to be painful--and won't really get that much better in later games, the Fangs being re-Learnable will be nice for things like the E4 but the level-up learnset seems to have more Special than Physical attacks, which is mildly awkward.

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

The Fangs barring the one that actually gets STAB!

[@JayFnkay]

One of my fave mons 🫶🏽

[@perkypenguin1663]

Another upload from my favorite channel Sthguoht S'ttocs using my favorite Pokemon Kobra

[@nelsondaily]

22:21 wait I thought it was a steel normal type??

[@DLC88]

Hated glare in gen 1. Never worked for me and I swear was a 99% accurate move for npc

[@SonicMeters]

👍👍👍

[@JayClearman411]

Never trained a ekans..in firered I usually just caught it an transfer it to emerald. Bred it to have Beat up poison fang spite an pursuit..an bred that with charmander larvitar etc.

[@mee1492]

Missed opportunity to rename to Kobra after evolution. 😅

[@AdamEspersona]

It’s the Year of the (Wood) Snake. What better species to play as for this video?

[@p.zansei3280]

Sorry but i gotta say this... the rival's dependence on Sand attack is always a Pidgeotic strategy. Sorry not sorry.

[@ZhangLiao07]

Just a thought. Would you ever go back and do runs giving since pokemon their egg moves?

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

4:46 They're wrong, they get better in gen 4.

[@MazterP28]

Need mega Arbok in legends za

[@Doron488]

Ditto spoiler on the tier list btw. Whoops! (It's not that much of a spoiler lol)

[@veghesther3204]

IMHO it kind of SUCKS the only good Poison type is STILL only going to be Bulbasaur line Arbok is stil CRAP in both this ONE and the ORIGINAL Gen 1 games.

[@pikminman13]

Im a binacle I better have tough claws

[@MattWarb]

0:01 liked

[@InciniumVGC]

Arbok is thoroughly mediocre and deserves better. But, I guess not every Pokemon can be good.

[@thediminished98]

Hey, I got a good one for you. Machamp solo line in Yellow. You start with pre evolved version and get Machamp through trade. Lose a bit of time but get it back because of extra exp. It probably won't fit in any tier list but it will be very interesting

[@tamlynloell]

I thought at first this is a livestream video. Sure Fire Red is not red, but maybe you should have choosen blue for your livestreams. Well doesn't matter much. I enjoy now the video.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Blue will get it's own produced series. That is why Red is being streamed.

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

9:54 ooooooo 69 nice... but ya missed it :( 10:31 and 13:56 and 17:59 oooooo 69 nice

[@TheMoogleKing93]

Okay you keep saying "factoid" when you mean something like "tidbit". Factoids are specifically NOT TRUE.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

A factoid is not always false. There are two definitions. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/factoid

[@orderedrandom3793]

18:33 Sandslash Sandwich

[@privategallade9120]

🍞

[@thedancingguy828]

Cool pokemon with very mid stats

[@YeahBoy1019]

senk

[@LeavingNight]

The Charizard line IS what the rival chooses if you pick a poison type pokemon in the johto games. ;P

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Kanto games, but yes.

[@LeavingNight]

@TheShinyFeraligatr You're absolutely right whoops. 🤭

[@Riftrender]

Ekans is a Kens.