The Truth About Boxer Engine Cars

[@scottykilmer]

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[@type2523]

Scotty Kilmer I own a boxer powered bus and it never break down in 36 years!(basically one time because the battery was flat )

[@RichWitGame]

Scotty Kilmer what is your take on "plasma" spark plugs and/or ignition systems? Also what do you think of reusable/washable oil filters?

[@mikeanderson1994]

Scotty Kilmer hey scotty what do you think about the 305 and 350 engines that they used in chevy caprice classic cars from 1980 till 1990 ?

[@michaelamick8295]

I see Scotty's twilight career as a stand up comedian! My wife loves the humorous pics he inserts!

[@nolan122]

I would say do two of these per week. These are awesome videos that have a ton of info in them. I like it more than the short videos on the livestream.

[@1one3_Racing]

"Its basically an old design" You mean, like a piston engine?

[@itftcomputers]

Compared to Tesla most cars these days is a 150 year old design -)

[@moneymatias6477]

🤔😂😂😂

[@daves984]

The only new engine (20th century) is a rotary. The rest are 19th century

[@ryu03xism]

@@daves984 but rotary is unreliable :(

[@michaelfrompolin]

@Paul JJ nota bene electric engines are as old as piston engines (if not older).

[@ImuhMusician]

I bought my 99 Impreza with 200,000 miles on it and have put many more on it. All I've had to do was a water pump so far. I was scared with all the headgasket stories but I absolutely love my Subaru and wouldn't trade it for anything. They're also surprisingly easy to work on too.

[@spoon3990]

still happy with it? im looking at an 05 Impreza

[@gdmofo]

I have a 1999 Subaru Legacy with the 2.2 best car I've ever owned still going strong in 2023

[@umiy6299]

Got a 99 forester here, changed the head gaskets and fixed quite a few other problems. Engine was driven to death by the previous owner so it's not exactly perfect anymore (Weird coolant system issues caused by past overheating). But it has over 320,000 miles on it and counting.

[@nickcanyon023]

Apparently you have to re torque the heads every hundred thousand miles or so

[@vihreelinja4743]

@@nickcanyon023 No. The head problems were only in the 2.5 liter NA versions and it was caused by wrong coolant as subaru used some mysterious special coolant/ head gasgets witch is dumb. Ive had my 05 Forester for 3 years now. 408.000 KM on the dash. Failed emissions one month ago. i took the cat off and wash it with soap. Failed emissions were CO 2.9. And After washing the cat CO dropped to 0.2 But the rear lambda did not like soap/ water so the mot failed me for obd2 error code for heating element in o2 sensor bank 2. 40 bucks for a new one and new mot next week. Front co2 sensor i could not get off so it was installed while soaking the cat overnight. The rear o2 sensor have had some connection issues as i have had trouble codes for the heating element come and go when it is moist outside so it was time to replace it anyways :D The cat looked NEW inside as it was cream colored like new so i knew fuel was burning properly.. and the first o2 sensor was white like NEW. Rear one was also clean. I though cleaning was useless but clearly it was not. So before buying new cats. ALWAYS wash them first. i did not properly dry it before starting the car and everything working good.

[@sc230mb]

I have 2 Subarus. A 4 and a 6. The sounds of both is wicked cool and the reliability has been 100%. The boxer design is awesome. Big props to Porsche and Subaru for sticking with it.

[@Soh90]

Subarus are cool, and so are Porsche’s. And if you’re willing to take care of them you’ll have some of the most visceral cars out there. But Scottie is right. Boxers are kind of quirky and there is a reason why the industry largely avoids them. Just like rotary engines. Boxers are hard to work on, prone to gaskets warping, and prone to burning oil. That’s not necessarily bad when you know what you’re doing, but kind of a hassle for the everyday consumer. Even Porsche doesn’t use them for their bread and butter Cayenne and Machan and Panamera cars opting to use V6 and V8’s instead. Subaru’s has never been and will never be more reliable than their Honda and Toyota counterparts and the Boxer motor is a large part of that. With all that being said, never let go of your Subies, they are awesome cars and the sounds they make are completely mental.

[@NeoCloud]

2010 outback flat 4, love it, the cvt is just amazing

[@pentlx]

The old pushrod engine Subarus were amazingly easy to work on. Adjusting the valves was easy, and everything was up top except the the oil drain plug and the oil filter, which was right in front. And they were absolutely reliable.

[@mrthomaslaux1]

How long ownwd?

[@damojan]

@Jack McAvoy After 2009, the 2.5 H4 had no more HG problems than any other car. The 3.0 and 3.6 H6 are as reliable as they come, having a lifetime timing chain and almost no HG issues.

[@mrlt1]

Just remember kids if it's not an early - mid 90s Toyota it's the worst car ever.

[@DavidLopez-cd3dm]

its kinda right tho thats the sad part

[@lollol-xp4mc]

They do blow gaskets tho theres no pretending like that doesnt happen

[@fearedlegend]

Toyota was and is the most reliable car on the market

[@lollol-xp4mc]

@@fearedlegend i wish they still made affordable fun cars tho like a fun fwd or a new mr2 but theres no denying they are the most reliable

[@GiordanDiodato]

lolno

[@glahome1]

My 2004 Subi WRX Turbo was very fast and crazy reliable. I sold it, all original, with no repairs to the engine other than the standard stuff such as alternator, belts, water pump, timing chain and associated bearings, and I sold it still running good with with 340K miles on it. Take care of your car and it will take care of you! Good vid, thank you!!

[@Flunoir]

What gas station did you go to? What oil brand and weight did you use and what were your oil change intervals?

[@maxxbenzz7842]

I have the same car same year. My body is falling apart, but mechanically it's been the best car I've ever had. 209k miles. Original clutch, everything. Did timing belt and turbo service. That's it

[@patricklee780]

I've owned 3 Subarus over a 40 year period and they are one of the most reliable cars on the planet.

[@mikestanly749]

Well they "subaru" are owned by toyota, and some of there junk is cheap china junk, 130,000 your gonna do a head job.every time , not on my G.m. cars and pickups.

[@anonymoususer7438]

@@mikestanly749 Cheap china junk? I loved my GM cars but man are you dense if you think these cars are "cheap china junk". Japanese engineers don't equate to Chinese engineers.

[@tuck229]

@@mikestanly749 The head gasket issue was mostly w/ the DOHC naturally aspirated engines that ran in the early 2000s in certain models. I've driven three Subarus past 200k miles, and a couple more past 150k and never had head gasket failure in any. (I also didn't have the notorious SOHC 2.5, mind you.) Consumer Reports still ranks the brand as very reliable. They are incredibly safe, and have an AWD system that few can rival.

[@TraceLight]

Patrick Lee *head gaskets have left the chat*

[@45shutr1]

mike stanly not 40 years ago they weren’t. Not even 20 years ago...

[@chefinavan1]

Many years ago I had an Alfa Romeo 33 ti (boxer engine). And now a Subaru Impreza .... There is indeed something enchanting about them .

[@33pastas]

I had a 33 1.7 s And now i have a legacy ! Are you a cook?

[@shiftyshamsk]

I've a legacy. Had 6 Subaru's. Thirsty but a 4x4, go well.

[@WifeBTR123]

Subaru boxer rumble is caused by unequal exhaust manifold lengths. My 2006 WRX has 306,000 miles. Original engine, transmission,head gasket, and CLUTCH.

[@eugenetimberlake5648]

Yeah I thought a lot of people knew this

[@ctt544]

God bless you

[@robertdaone]

Hold up let me find a cookie for you.

[@ctt544]

@@robertdaone pretty sad response, Robert. What this man is doing is admirable. Have a great day

[@robertdaone]

Christian K this was in response to WifeBTR123 comment. most people who own subis or know about them like I do know the cause of the subi rumble. stop being an overly sensitive drama queen.

[@vaforce2006]

Reasons why boxers are great engines: 1) lower center of gravity for better handling 2) they can produce reasonable HP and torque if engineered correctly 3) Today’s boxer engine are fuel efficient and smoother than yesterday’s boxer that Scotty is talking about. Drive a new Subaru! You’ll be impressed.

[@officialWWM]

V A I did. I wasn't.

[@warmage247]

@@officialWWM I drive em at work, they are the stock liberties and such. The Toyota camrys are heaps better in form and function. Can't deny the AWD pull is nice but eh. Every Subaru I ever been in squeeks

[@officialWWM]

[R E D A C T E D] they sound like they have a miss in the engine...from the factory :/

[@3kkk514]

I had a crosstrek 2L petrol auto very smooth to drive and powerful, low emmission on awd. It drives like a luxury.

[@colarmstrong57]

@@warmage247 haven't been in mine then.

[@petergoesinya636]

The head gasket issue that Subaru had was because of a defective head gasket they put on the cars but they haven't used that head gasket for more than a decade

[@autoworld1256]

Its interesting to me that Scotty downplays the significance of the boxer engine since Porsche has won dozens of motorsports championships and that they are almost exclusively used by all small aircraft worldwide...not to mention that Subaru won the world rally car championship for several years with this boxer engine...

[@kostya0812]

Well that's good but most of us regular consumers who wants reliable and little newer car.

[@SulCoCrazy]

Superb design for aircraft and great for low center of gravity in cars. That plus their light weight nature can mitigate the relatively low power output as compared with other vehicles

[@SulCoCrazy]

Konstantin boxer engines are just as good as other designs so long as they are properly maintained.

[@supurfluus7028]

@@kostya0812 See thats whats confusing to me. Scotty basically makes this same claim in the video, and he says it has to do with the fact that boxer engines are old technology that havent seen as many advancements. However, I'm not sure if he's completely correct about this, and he didn't go in to much detail besides the head gasket problem (I've had head gaskets go on all my non boxer engines so I'm not sure about this either). Could you possibly provide some detail beyond what Scotty provided, and maybe give a clear reason as to exactly why a "regular consumer who wants a reliable and little newer car" wouldn't want a boxer engine? As an average consumer who wants the most reliable engine possible, I'd like to know the reason. I'm genuinely curious as I'm sure you and Scotty are correct, I'm just not sure why.

[@cgmf-d6t]

Because they have so many issues in Subarus. The Subaru designs are cheaper than the Porsche ones. They leak, they burn oil and they throw rods left right and center.

[@TheSwiftMoving]

Fun fact: the inline 4 cylinder was invented before the boxer engine. So going by your logic the inline 4 is older technology.

[@SaneSociety1]

yeah!

[@hellopolly2691]

Hi Scotty, I have a 2010 Subaru Forester. With a normal gearbox. It's the most reliable car I have had since my 1970 Toyota Corolla which was great..

[@TheCrazzyGuy11]

Dude I wish I could say I owned a 70s or 80s carolla… I will have a ae86 sooner or later

[@jasona5745]

I have a Subaru with 182,000 miles, it's been 100% reliable! So it may be old, but so is my 1911 pistol. Doesn't mean it doesn't work!

[@levis5230]

What is it and how old is it?

[@completely_blank9265]

1911's are cool but out of date u boomer.

[@onieshianapoleon2547]

👊

[@MasterBeighter]

@@completely_blank9265 and how many guns do you own?

[@truthflatearth]

I here ya brother I got 2016 outback

[@SirJamestheIII]

Porsche was thinking about ditching the 911 entirely and replacing it with the 928. Has nothing to do with the boxer engine. A flat 6 still got the gt2 rs around the ring in record time. The V engine predates the boxer by 8 years so do we call v configurations "old technology?" Also until Porsche 919 broke the record, the 962 also had the overall record with a flat 6 and was the most successful endurance car of its time. Boxer engines were great for endurance racing for reliability.

[@adrianadrian255]

I’ve driven most 4x4s, in bad conditions, in the Pacific Northwest, nothing is as good as a Subaru. A massive part of that is because on twisty, hilly roads the boxer engine sits low between the front tires. It’s not trying to breakaway on corners. When it snows in my area, Subarus are just about the only vehicles out and about (and there are a lot here!)

[@content6032]

wait til i tell you when the wheel was invented

[@goodolboys713]

Content made me laugh😂

[@kampkat6089]

Content lmfao. Good one 😂👊🏼

[@iforc]

Content best comment!!

[@ericharrison619]

Why do you think the Canadians switched to square wheels. (thanks Southpark)

[@PaulieHowarth]

😂

[@soundwavesaudio1]

Hey scotty why r you not recording in 4k. 1080 is an old design like the boxer engine

[@moonsapling]

Good one

[@Couperetarded]

😂😂

[@jamessmith84240]

Because it takes more time, space, and money to work with 4k. Not really worth it if you don't need the detail. Now if scotty did videos about ants or little toy cars, maybe then its worth it but not here.

[@moonsapling]

@@jamessmith84240 yeah you didnt get it.... Lmao

[@rhymereason3449]

4K is a complete waste of bits on a computer screen... why does everyone think bigger is always better unconditionally?

[@busaboy6345]

Daily driver is a 2001 Subaru Outback. Bought it new, has over 412K miles and still going strong. Not very powerful, but extremely reliable.

[@vasiliskostoulasj8531]

My father owns a subaru outback 2009 2.0 diesel . After 200.000 km and 11 years later it does not have a single problem

[@stevenashley7199]

My new Subaru Ascent has a 2.4-liter turbocharged boxer-4 engine makes 260 horsepower and 277 pound-feet of torque, and it definitively doesn't feel under powered, that's more horsepower than my V8 Durango that I still drive.

[@infotechsailor]

Same here. Wish I could get that engine in my foresters too

[@Blade548]

The pros and cons about flexfuel engines? Are they better than single fuel engines?

[@manbearpig5907]

Good question I would also like to hear an answer on that.

[@adcolt54]

I thought he already did answer this question

[@Blade548]

@@adcolt54 Really? Send me the link please.

[@hajjdawood]

FlexFuel vehicles use components with a far greater resistance to corrosion and they have fuel nozzles that can adjust to greater ranges (as ethanol needs more fuel injected vs gas). IF you have a FlexFuel vehicle and you use E85 you should see far better life out of your engine then using gasoline. It burns much cleaner, smells better, contaminates the oil far less, wears engines much less (see EngineeringExplained video were he goes through the study), produces significantly less pollution, is 100% renewable, and can be carbon neutral

[@patrickm5217]

Biggest technical difference between E85 and regular fuel is that high ethanol formulas corrode fuel lines and rubber components faster on older vehicles. But flex fuel cars and new cars in general have modern polymers in the fuel lines to prevent that kind of damage. Fuel sensors tell the ECU what kind of gas you're running so it can alternate the air/fuel mixture, injection etc. Flex fuel burns a lot faster than regular gas so you get less mileage on same volume of gas. It also produces less power. Those are the tradeoffs for using cleaner burning fuels.

[@carguy4452]

Scotty, what is the craze of 5 cylinder engines?

[@markfive3731]

Volvo makes a good one

[@GeorgeJFW]

I liked my Colorado it was a 5 cylinder not very smooth though

[@mcplutt]

Is it a craze? Audi and MB started the 5-cylinder craze back in the 70's. 5 cylinders are better than 4, but shorter than 6.

[@YusukeShirogane]

Volvo only makes 4 cylinder engines now

[@20502chris]

VR5 is a Legend

[@DanoLuvoe]

Blown head gasket issues were due to a single layer gasket, which has been fixed with using the multilayer head gasket.

[@soundmannh9790]

My Subaru WRX does 0 to 60 in 5.3 seconds, and has an electronically limited top speed of 140mph. That's out of a turbo charged 2.0 liter boxer engine. It sounds like heaven under full throttle, and I've never considered it to be "slow". And I think it's amazing how much HP and torque Subaru managed to milk from a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder. Judging the performance of boxer engines based on the BRZ's performance is silly. The biggest mistake Subaru made was not offering it with a WRX drive train.

[@ReMz10184]

You get a top of the line AWD system with Subaru on a budget. Mother in law had an outback with 400k miles. I think that engine is just fine.

[@user-lq1dk6gr3p]

agreed buddy! just change your oil check your fluids and you’re good to go. most people dont tske care of their cars!!

[@ReMz10184]

@@user-lq1dk6gr3p Amen to that brotha!

[@Preh]

Top of the line AWD system? The Subaru AWD system is more out of date than the boxer engine, literally everyone is making intelligent AWD better than them. Ok almost everyone.

[@user-lq1dk6gr3p]

Chance any evidence to support the claim that their awd is out of date?

[@williepie]

@@Preh Those new AWD systems suck and cant even touch subaru's.

[@allflying3]

Well, Scotty never mention any serious trouble with boxer engine. So, as long as I drive normally and take a good care of my Suby, and STAY AWAY FROM CVT, it will last forever.

[@MovedbyTruth]

I purchased my 2010 WRX in September of 2009. I still have it today which is May 2023. It has 157,241 miles on it and has no mechanical problems whatsoever. Only a little rust starting over two of the wheel wells. I live in Buffalo, NY, though, so I've put it through 14 crazy Buffalo winters (so far). The engine runs perfectly and doesn't knock, whatsoever. I drive the car hard at times, too. The only fixes I've had to do to it over the past 14 years, that are not wear and tear items, were the fuel pump (which I had to replace one time), the relay switch for the heat/ac blower fan (cost $150 to fix and only had to have it fixed once), and one LED light from inside one of the heated seat switches. That is all. Everything else was wear and tear items. Replaced the clutch at 95k miles (upgraded it to a stage 2), had to replace a few wheel bearings over the years, headlight bulbs, belts, brakes, wiper blades, etc. All-in-all, the car is incredibly reliable. I've had zero drivetrain issues, and almost no issues at all except those couple minor things I mentioned, for 14 years of heavy city driving with long, harsh winters. It's by far the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned (and I've personally owned 8 different cars in my lifetime).

[@kevinkline3938]

The main reason that VW discontinued the Air Cooled Boxer engine in 1975 in the Beetle was due to emissions compliance, not for any mechanical shortcomings. Plus it was still made in Brazil into the 2000's. It also never even had head gaskets. I could never understand why the Corvair was deemed a failure, when it was essentially of a copy of the Beetle which went on to sell multiple millions more after Nader destroyed the Corvair. And the Porsche, which is a Beetle design on Meth, is still produced today. And if Subaru and Porsche are selling them today as fast as they can make them, how can it be outdated? I am sure if Toyota made them you would be jerking off to them 24/7.

[@n9wox]

Corvair 32/68 weight distribution is unbalanced

[@cdoggy10]

That'll be one slippery snek of a car.

[@98triffid]

The Corvair had enough power to make the swing axle design cause problems that weren't apparent at

[@karlreinke]

It is my understanding the "bottom end" of the air cooled VW engine is way, wayyyyyy overbuilt. Guys that use these engines on sand rail dragster can often get 400HP with a stock crank and journals. I love BMWs boxer. Owned one for years. It's a very torquey but very boring motor. Has a nice panther like growl when you give it the beans though. I think the main reason boxers have gone aways is the same reason V engines are going away. Accountants. Twice as many cam chains Twice a many cylinder heads Twice as many camshafts.

[@richh1576]

I used to road-race the Corvair (organized road racing was popular in the 1950s - 60s). If you backed off the accelerator while in a TIGHT turn, the swing axle system would 'tuck up' on the inside of the turn causing a severe over-steer condition for the rest of the car when that tucked rear wheel took on its normal weight load .... for a high probability of an 'instant snap' 180° skid. For normal driving conditions, if you had insufficient tire pressure in one of the rear tires, the 'snap 180° skid' could be even worse and MORE violent. FWIW - Boxers are fast and easy to remove for working on them; they 'drop out' onto a transmission jack once the axels are pulled from the transaxle.

[@tybarker5038]

I’m on my third Subaru (this time a 2003 WRX) and I love the boxer engine. My last two Legacies ran past 200k before I sold but I’m sure they’re still on the road. This new one has 101k and I’m hoping to get 300 out of it this time because I really love it.

[@remissiveslave]

Good luck

[@wantdatcadpat44]

How's it holding up?

[@tuannguyenable]

I have the 2000 forester and has 400,000km and still going well. Very capable long distant Companion

[@33pastas]

Or i go in vacations with the legacy or i stay home.

[@Chris.Davies]

The boxer engine is for people who like actual engineering, and fun driving. I drive a modified WRX; Tommy Kaira M20b (wagon) and a '69 911S. It's the most fun you can ever have with a small engine.

[@pauldinkmeyer2712]

Some observations: 1. There are few more pleasing engine sounds than the native sound of the WRX. 2 Corvair was the victim of crusader Ralph 3. The original beetle couldnt keep up with emission requirements.

[@rayland9305]

I bet you think lawnmowers sounds pleasing as well.

[@jxshannon2]

I've had 5 old VWs. The sound is great if you like being followed ultra-close by 747 taking off.

[@philliptoone]

5:19 That moment you are grateful you are watching Scotty on KZbin rather than in person. Say it don't spray it. :)

[@ganoostermoppy4325]

Looked like a buzzard poop, but more likely dripping gutter.

[@nicoz6540]

I own a subaru brz. My biggest complaint is the power. You really have to floor it. But then again, it doesnt really matter cause you cant go fast anyways. Cops are real good in Virginia

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

Its predecessor had 110hp and wasnt fast, it was only agile. Its only a 28k car in Canada so I mean... Dont expect it to have 500hp out of the factory. It only has 200.

[@nicoz6540]

@@invertedv12powerhouse77 sure! I dont know a whole lot about cars but, it takes premium... camry's have more horsepower.

[@macdaddykwm1]

The BRZ was made to be a tuner's car.

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

@@nicoz6540 yes, because they are bigger engines, 2.5l and 3.5l V6. Also they start off as being more expensive. So whats your point. This is a handling car. And who told you it needs premium fuel? Its not turbo charged

[@Petrezen1982]

I own BRZ 3 years now .My car manual says it can run 95oct but prefers 98oct RON fuel. So yes, premium. I've mailed subaru online service and they told me it should run on 98+ oct fuel (RON). I like my car cause it's light, has no turbo (I dont need to warm it up so long, dont have to cool it down) , RWD, manual gearbox, has enough trunk space for my car audio, insurance is lower than most of cars in it's class, spare parts are dirt cheap, tires are cheap. If you are serious car user and maintain it those are real bright sides of this car.

[@daveginter9030]

Subaru's are great! Very reliable and the best car you can own for winter driving. And they heat up quick with their aluminum engine. But with that said be carefull of leaking valve cover gaskets! When they begin to leak it blows back on the exhaust pipe and the smell of burnt oil isn't to pleasant. The fix is going to be expensive (Over 2K) at most dealers! The valve covers are up against the frame so the enging has to be raised or come out completley! When you do an oil change look for leaks! Spark plugs aren't to easy either.

[@t_z1030]

Scotty strikes me as the kind of guy who decided he knew everything 20 years ago, and hasn't learned anything since. I have had old timer mechanics just like him tell me authoritatively that placing a car battery on concrete will make it discharge - something that hasn't been true since we stopped making the casings out of wood. Hey Scotty, if you took a V6 engine, and made the V angle 180 degrees does that engine instantaneously become outdated? Of course not, because the boxer/180 degree engine is technologically the same as a V or inline engine. The main reason most manufacturers stick with an inline or V layout is for packaging. The boxer can be mounted low, but it takes up a large area and pretty much leaves you no option but to mount it longitudinally. That means you get the triple whammy of a large engine bay, a transmission tunnel and rear diff that has to fit under your car - all that takes up a lot of space. Your typical manufacturer will instead take an upright engine, and cram it transversely with a transaxle into the shallowest possible engine bay to maximise the amount of cabin space they're left with. And this isn't 2001 any more, Subaru aren't making EJ25s with graphite coated gaskets. They are no more prone to head gasket problems than any other vehicle.

[@lunarpking]

Tell that to my 2006 outback and any number of subarus I know of that blow them before 100,000 miles. Never heard of that with any other car.

[@fistsfirst4584]

@@lunarpking that hasnt been an issue with Subaru's newer FA engines

[@stevenfowler7088]

I love my 2015 subaru 2.5i ps batteries still shouldn't go on the ground when it is hot a kid i was teaching to be a tech put it on the hot tar and boom went more puff and fizzle

[@orangefaygo1]

Inline fours cost less to manufacture too. Both my Subarus were super reliable. They were both 5 speed & used to beat the snot out of them. Traded my 08 with 160k with no big repair costs other than a clutch (I beat the crap out of it 😝).

[@mikehertz6507]

That's why the engine belongs in the back! *Porsche

[@nigelstringfellow5187]

My '95 Subaru Liberty has over 400,000 miles on the original engine and is the most reliable car I have owned,I keep it maintained by doing things like changing timing belts every 100,000 miles ,changing oil regularly etc,the car is plenty powerful enough for my needs and is great on fuel so for me boxer engines are fine ! Thanks for the videos Scotty.

[@zxttgg]

Nigel Stringfellow didyou replace your head gasket.?

[@carlquitcheefin]

@@zxttgg head gasket wasn't really a big issue in that generation, the one after it is when they started getting head gasket problems.

[@jamesnewman4136]

I have a 98 Subaru Legacy with over 300 thousand miles on it original motor transmission an original clutch she is a pretty reliable motor

[@stevensevek6151]

@@zxttgg I have owned four different Subarus and never had a problem with head gaskets. (None of mine had automatic transmissions either.)

[@Bimmer-Fonz]

295,000 km on my original 2002 wrx motor!

[@kfc1818ko]

LOL two of my subarus have 300k+ miles.

[@3amfridgeraider672]

How many times did the engine blow up ?

[@kfc1818ko]

はそれを切り開くDigipak zero.

[@LKRG]

@@3amfridgeraider672 ej22s are the most reliable boxers on EJ series tbh

[@3amfridgeraider672]

@@LKRG as far as i know it's illegal to use reliable and subaru in the same sentence.

[@LKRG]

@@3amfridgeraider672 key words are "as far as you know" if only you knew how much Subaru's I can still see on the road with 300-400k compared to Toyotas or Hondas

[@pamelavance648]

Chiming in... My subyroo is 30 yrs yep 30 No head gasket yet Valve cover gaskets and few other items.. my subyroo has been good to me.

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

U should do who makes better engines Honda or Toyota

[@JenGM24]

Anderson Rodriguez that's a tough one.

[@sinformant]

LOL if you have watched this channel long enough you'd know what his answer will be

[@benitojr4332]

lol 😁According to scotty, if it's not a Toyoda it's Junk, especially them Nissan & kisa

[@benitojr4332]

Kias

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

J.Gomez yea but as rn Ima go with Toyota they making the most reliable power train rn

[@obi-wankenobi7160]

This guy obviously has never seen the 2018 GT3 with 4.0 L NA flat six that revs to 9k and has 500 HP........

[@bfrank1972CT]

I feel the urge to constantly wipe my screen while watching this video

[@heeeresjohnny7503]

LOL...Just put wipers ....

[@onieshianapoleon2547]

Brad Franklin 😹

[@thomascuell3215]

that's awesome!!!

[@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm]

because scotty kilmer is full of crap = no wonder they lost the WAR !

[@sfsheff]

He's practicing up for his review of the old 'Spitz' 2-cycle bicycle engine.

[@hermanthegermancctv5988]

Old Scotty is way off the mark here. I run a Subaru forester 2,5 turbo 2006 model, and have driven it for 16 years now. It develops 174 kilowatts of power and the 0-60 time is 6,9 seconds. Pretty good for an SUV even in todays terms. I maintain the vehicle meticulously and have now done 320,000 kilometers (210,000miles) and that motor still runs like a top. The vehicle is without any creaks or rattles and the build quality(made in Japan) is excellent. Ask any Subaru owner, these are actually great cars with as good as any Toyota engines....which is why they also use them.....

[@944CoyoteV8]

It's an old design and VW don't use it anymore... So? Inline and V-shaped motors are old too. The GT3 has one of the best modern NA engines, and the 911TS is one of the fastest cars in the world. I don't usually post negative comments but this video was terrible.

[@johnscheidler8842]

How many miles do you get out of the 911 engine?!? And How much does it cost?!?

[@johnscheidler8842]

Maintenance Costs, LOL.

[@944CoyoteV8]

@@johnscheidler8842 modern 911s aren't made to do hundreds of thousands of kms. They're designed for high load. How about this: how many cars will take the abuse a 911 will? Before you answer, watch "The 2014 Porsche 911 Turbo | Road & Track". 911s are engineered for 3000 launches. Ferraris: 12. Nissan GT-R: one launch voids the warranty. I had an '07 EZ30-powered Subaru Legacy at work the other day. This is an engine and car worth speaking about longevity due to it's design brief, and also a flat 6. This one had 400,000kms on it and was on the factory chains and guides, tensioners, oil and water pumps, and even gaskets.

[@jesscesanto9127]

@@944CoyoteV8 such a fool

[@944CoyoteV8]

@@jesscesanto9127 Precisely why?

[@marcaliventialiventi765]

I don't know why you are knocking Subaru engines. One of the easiest to work on. All accessories are mounted on the top of the motor no turbo motor gets GREAT fuel mileage on the highway. What's not to like

[@csiu6703]

I have an 09 Forester, LOVE IT. The Boxer engine / clean exhaust is more than adequate. Acceleration may be slow, but just adapt to the driving situation.

[@coolguy726]

Except for STI lol

[@thebadmanreturns]

No. Boxer engine is painful for DIY Hobbyist Mechanic. Try changing all spark plugs on an STi, it take hours, the space is very narrow

[@jnigl000]

Yeah you don't need to knock on subaru engines they do that themselves. XD

[@billypurdy8581]

steve blow I change spark plugs at my work on wrxs and Sti in under 30 minutes all day long and other Subaru models. The space is small but it is more then enough to get the job done :)

[@sleepeatdrive7619]

I love the boxer engine in my Porsche. The sound it makes at full throttle is pure bliss!!

[@darkh2o716]

A stick shift with competent driver and the Boxer is Gold.

[@marktx21]

I work at a used car lot as a mechanic and my boss likes Subaru’s and one thing I have noticed in checking dozens of those cars is I’m surprised when I find one that doesn’t either leak oil or coolent from the head gaskets. Especially ones with the older SOHC timing belt engines. The newer timing chain versions are FAR better engines. Ohh and another thing I find is that people like to remove the heat shields on the cats that rattle like crazy on every one of them. This in turn cooks the oil in the filter and the pan causing even more problems.

[@CaptTylor]

Tucker cars had a water cooled six cylinder engine boxer engine, not air cooled. (Tucker car fan btw) One of my VW's has had one engine rebuild on it and car has 485,000 one owner, miles documented. He (great uncle Bill) was driving it up till one month from his death. When not modified, a boxer engine is very dependable and smooth running powerplant.

[@sinformant]

Its a damn shame what they did to Tucker. Imagine if he had been left alone and got completely up and running and on the market. I believe all of our modern cars would be a lot more advanced than they currently are. He was a true pioneering genus, the other auto manufacturers were just scared so they had to squash their competition

[@mcplutt]

Tucker has a Bell helicopter engine. Air cooled in aviation but water cooled in the Tucker.

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

Boxers can handle turbo power like any other engine... When we talk about subarus head gasket problems, its because all ej25s had no reinforcement at the top of the cylinder walls

[@stevethomas760]

I live in Tucker, Ga. First one I ever saw was in the local parade. Very cool

[@apachelives]

Subaru EJ22s are bullet proof its the EJ25 that has the head gasket issues (bad head gasket design, not from thrashing or whatever mentioned) - if you replace those head gaskets with the genuine Subaru EJ25 TURBO head gaskets (different design MLS gaskets) its a permanent fix, if you have a manual EJ25 Subaru and your clutch is due and on original head gaskets leave the transmission in and remove the engine and do the heads at the same time. The original head gaskets for SOHC EJ25 usually leak externally and cause no major problems and can be ignored for years, the DOHC EJ25 (early EJ25) have internal leaks (coolant-combustion) If you take your Subaru to the dealership for head gaskets they will replace them with the same part number and it will fail again (usually sooner due to poor workmanship - heads not inspected/machined, poor preparation of heads using a flap wheel etc) These are really simple cars to work on, everything is easy to get to.

[@lllowelll]

People complain about spark plugs access not served like a steak on a dinner plate.

[@shawnamison2485]

@@lllowelll the spark plugs aren't that difficult even. I did my 09 legacy in 45 minutes. All I needed was to remove the battery, air intake box, and use a couple of socket extensions.

[@harleybobdogflog2909]

They are easy to work on, except for changing the head gaskets!

[@freddy6062]

I bought a 2021 Subaru Impreza with the 2.0 boxer as a commuter car. I also have a 911 Carrera S. They both have the joyful rumble and vibration from the boxer engine. Love them both!

[@tadficuscactus]

The boxer engine has not been passed by. This guy doesn't really know his stuff. A boxer engines can be just as good as any other engine. It's just pistons connected to crankshaft with valves ect like any other internal combustion engine. Do you think the contemporary Porsche engines have been passed by?

[@vitalnutrients744]

It's even better than a V6 or I6 because the primary and secondary forces are canceled out perfectly in a boxer engine resulting in 0 vibration. I6 fails because gravity pulls the pistons down faster than they travel up, and V6 fails because even a nano-meter displacement will make it unbalanced.

[@jesscesanto9127]

Sure and that's why inline six engines last twice as long

[@pentlx]

I love boxers, but I disagree. Boxers do have vibration, due to the rocking couple caused by the cylinders not sharing the same plane (there is a twisting force around the vertical central axis of the motor). The effect of gravity is infinitesimal in any engine with vertical cylinders. People used to claim that gravity would cause the lower part of the cylinder in boxer engines to wear faster, and that is of course nonsense, too.

[@ismazzbot]

Scotty is the god mechanic

[@jonpool9030]

@@vitalnutrients744 inline six engines are better but the boxer engines are very reliable as well. Also inline engines are inherently smooth as well.

[@Allensanity]

Subie for life

[@fabiomottini8315]

Subaru is Love, Subaru for ever

[@ResortDog]

I like climbing with ANY one tire.

[@AdventuresofAwesomeJoe]

Searched the comments to represent Subaru!

[@DimitriBianco]

Legacy 97, 05, and Ascent 19

[@703Bugeye]

02 Bugeye here

[@guyjonson6364]

Boxers are great thats why been in aircraft for a century. Scotty! In aircooled design they are optimum for airflow and balance. Fit into cowling perfectly. Too much power makes any engine unrelible in the long run anyway. In the car , especially Suv; makes a Suv handle like a car due to lower center of gravity. Four cylinder Sub is like a six due to great balance..

[@thomaskthomas6160]

Hello sir, you should try and drive an Alfa Romeo 33 1.700 16v or even an 1.700 or 1.500/1.400 8v. Ultra reliable engine with mich more boxer rumble than new boxer engines and pretty fast for its age!

[@charlesweimer2842]

Hey Scotty always love hearing your comments on the different vehicles. I am driving my third Subaru Forester I only put about 70,000 on them and I have got to say they have served me well. I always get the extended warranty then I have no worries so to speak. I love hearing your take on all the different vehicles I always feel I am getting an unbiased opinion.I subscribe to your channel as I said I always love hearing you opinion.Thanks Charlie in Kentucky!

[@MostlyTorso]

Man, I love these videos. I love learning about cars from a virtual cartoon character (no offense, Scotty) that can hold my A.D.D.-riddled attention. Also, the added graphic boxes are brilliantly funny. Well done, sir!

[@elidames6889]

I really like this format of video

[@daitedve1984]

Boxer engine is cool by design - ask any engineer. Problems arise only if you design/manufacture it improperly. Looking at this video I conclude "not every mech can open mouth about each car aspects". HAPPY owners of boxer engine are MUCH more than opinion of one youtube show-man.

[@snakes5506]

Yes sir, EJ25 525hp no problems....

[@mopar21]

Ring lands...

[@TripleTapHK]

"My wife's old matrix would run circles around it (BRZ)." You must be smokin' that good stuff again.

[@royhartle7927]

Exactly. How many naturally aspirated engines engines make 100 HP/litre like the BRZ? Certainly not his wife's POS.

[@MrSeizureBunny]

I've chopped BRZ's and 86's in my Suzuki Swift.... Until 3rd gear, GO the hustler hatch!

[@konradbrochocki4923]

@Physic Studios Your engine is most likely a 2.8 litre as opposed to the 2 litres of the 86/BRZ, and the standard golf VR6 is about 80kg lighter. So those results are pretty unsurprising.

[@80s_Boombox_Collector]

No one cares how fast your car is. Having a powerful motor is not an accomplishment. A teenager can swap motors or install a turbo. It's not impressive. Making a car handle like a sportscar is a real accomplishment, that takes extensive engineering and testing. And BTW slapping some springs and bars onto a Civic doesn't make it handle like a real sportscar.

[@rayland9305]

@@80s_Boombox_Collector Because everyone's swapping motor's these days... especially those damn teenagers. This guy obviously owns a slow af car, but he can tell all the girls "But hey, it handles so well!" lmao

[@lilpbass]

My father rode an air cooled BMW boxer 340k miles with just routine maintenance.

[@morecowbell235]

I've been told by numerous subaru owners that the 'newer' engines are crap when compared to the old subaru engines. Not sure if 'new' refers to the 2017s and up, or the 2012s and up. The same people have told me their old subaru's run like a champ.

[@chrisfreemesser5707]

Nothing better than the sound of an air-cooled Beetle engine with the stock muffler and tailpipes...definitely a distinctive sound!

[@orbits2]

True. I had one and as a bonus they are good in snow and float on water to a certain degree.

[@alfresco4976]

Except the sound of a CORVAIR!

[@Davehaha2001]

I love my Subaru it has a 3.0 six cylinder H6 engine in a Legacy it’s a liberty here in Australia it’s great so fun to drive

[@kumchavalcha]

H6 spec b for life mate;)

[@peterpacciani666]

Same here

[@MrPostal2005]

And here, but an outback 3L with the extra SI-Drive. Love it

[@HB-qu8dm]

@@kumchavalcha Preach brother

[@zebra6861]

Yesss

[@absoluteclownworld]

Lol matrix beat a FRS/BRZ.. both are slow but the matrix would lose that one.. wtf Scotty

[@mopar6800]

was thinking the same thing...both cars weigh about the same and one of them has about 70hp more.

[@HaenaKauai91]

Not if it's the Matrix XRS with the 1.8 2ZZGE

[@mopar6800]

Yea the XRS has about 170HP but he was talking about HIS Matrix.

[@80s_Boombox_Collector]

Who cares either way. The Matrix is just a POS econohatch, the BRZ is a real sportscar.

[@XxThePlaylistxX]

I own a 2009 1.8L base Matrix, itll get smoked by an FRS

[@davidturner4987]

I just bought a subaru Outback with 175,00 miles on it. It's the quietest car I've ever driven. My understanding of the head gasket issues is, it did not help that in the early 2000's Subaru used a gaphite head gasket that was sensitive to the chemicals in the engine oil as it aged. The oil doesn't drain down into the pan like it does in a normal engine and pools around the head gasket seam slowly degrading it until it would blow out eventually. They don't use those graphite head gaskets anymore. My particular car had the head gasket replaced with a multilayer steel gasket a few years ago. I have been very impressed with the EJ25 engine so far. I won't win any races but it damn sure has a lot more power than my old Ford Focus.

[@aiden6843]

I drive the absolute hell out of my 2nd hand 2001 forester GT, the only thing I've done to it is put a bigger STI turbo in it, its been reliable so far and fun as hell

[@Unyamurdle]

I have a boxer engine in my Toyota 86, yaaaay I love my car, it's not super fast but it's really fun to drive

[@The_Animal_Man]

I have an FR-S, I love it but it needs a tune, intake and exhaust then ill be a little happier

[@Unyamurdle]

sexiewasd yes I do

[@Musicizmyremedy]

Hey twin 👍. Love my 86 as well

[@Unyamurdle]

John Freeman I know right? When I used to drive customers super cars with crazy power it wasn't my jam. I like my 86 much better! Nothing compares to clicking over a v12 though I must admit lol!

[@Musicizmyremedy]

Unyamurdle I agree. I could’ve gotten a beefed an SRT Challenger or WRX but when I sat down and drove the FRS it just felt right. You can go full throttle with FRS without killing yourself and the way it hugs in tight corners is crazy fun.

[@resolution55555]

I like 2019 SUBARU WRX STI. Very nice car.

[@Mriventivv]

Yes

[@thatsentertainment5602]

I test drove a Subaru Liberty 2009 with 6 speed CVT auto sports gear box and it was one of the best cars I have ever driven! Very quick, responsive acceleration from a 2.5 litre non turbo boxer engine and amazing handling/cornering!

[@tonyw973]

I had an '83 Subaru wagon that had it's share of problems but none of them were engine-related. It did sound agricultural and certainly idled roughly but it was always reliable.

[@erikulintz]

Welll now we all know that Scotty hasn't driven the 911 GT2...

[@justinbivens5664]

LMFAO

[@fairbanksairriders]

Come on Scotty test drive an STi and let us know if it makes enough power.

[@antothemanto77]

Erik Ulintz Or even the 911 GT3-naturally aspirated and still super fast

[@citizendc9]

2019 Porsche 718 Boxster - 365-hp turbocharged 2.5-liter flat-four (GTS model). Zero to 60 miles in 4.3 seconds. Economy: 21 mpg city / 28 mpg highway

[@thekingcobra63]

My Subaru is 20 years old, no issue with my boxer , reliable as hell for sure.

[@EsotericFleetMechanic]

Great video! I’ve owned 5 Subaru’s (1992-2005) and yes they have their issues but I just have a lot of fun and enjoy the noise they make with unequal length headers and a nice quiet deep muffler. But now that I’m at the top of my career chapter and two kids with one on the way, I’m sticking to Toyota. My wife’s Sienna has been amazing and get better gas mileage than my old outback (it just started leaking gasses into coolant) I’m going to retire it and get Camry hybrid or something Toyota like that and when I have a shop later on down the road, I’ll buy a Subaru project and do all fun stuff I’ve dreamed about.

[@waltblackadar4690]

Not really true that the boxers are under-powered. The BRZ (Toyota 86) is under-powered but that's due to the design and not the engine. It's been the single biggest complaint on that model and for some reason they won't update it. If they put in the boxer from the WRX (268 HP on the standard 2018 WRX) then that BRZ would flat-out fly since it weighs 500 pounds less than the WRX. The STI has 305 HP and it accelerates fast enough to cause whiplash. No, it can't get 500+ HP like the Dodge Charger but that car can't turn worth a damn and the WRX STI will corner on a dime. The low-slung engine makes it much more fun to drive than just raw HP.

[@lllowelll]

Do you even know what youre talking about?

[@waltblackadar4690]

Yes I do. Thank you for asking.

[@BosnianHD]

Shut up

[@zeno15sti33]

No worries you can easily make 500hp STI if not cheaply. And sill handle.I just fitted some Michelin pilot sport 4s for extra grip

[@ellisjackson3355]

That probably wouldn't be as stable in the shorter FR-S wheelbase...everyone complains about that and I'm just like "whatever." I love my FR-S.

[@rafawyrebiak189]

Subaru BRZ/Toyota GT86 has 200 horsepower from 2.0 litre naturally aspirated engine. Show me other NA engine with 100 horsepower from 1 litre displacement, I wouldn't call that technology archaic or old.

[@zohanjames7793]

Rafał Wyrębiak the Honda k20 engine was a 2.0 engine that made 100 hp from each liter and it performed way better than that 2.0l boxer.

[@nygfan1999]

BMW s54 3.2L 333hp

[@MrGman31313131]

NA = North America

[@bryanyokofich5021]

Idk if it's 100hp from 1 litre but rotary engines make a lot of power for how small they are.

[@vectraB97]

@@zohanjames7793 is that the Honda s2000 engine? Honda s2000 use more fuel than a V8 Corvette. Horrible fuel economy for a small engine.

[@zumabilla]

My next car will be a Subaru Impreza WRX I think. I love the sound they make

[@pheenix42]

As a relatively new employee at Subaru, I might disagree a bit with the idea of the engine being antique or outdated. We currently have a wait time of several months for the Ascent because we can't build them fast enough.

[@penguin12902]

Boxer is a great fit for Subaru, because it's all about balance, low center of gravity, and HANDLING with that amazing symmetrical All Wheel Drive system. I've never driven a car that handles better in snow than a Subaru. If you live in the North, and you want to drive in snowstorms...get a Subaru.

[@ianholmquist8492]

Wrx/sti: sports car that will churn through snow and ice and get me to the ski hill or to work with no fuss when everyone else is sliding off the road. Practical and fun. Gotta love it

[@rodlloyd1]

you will find it hard to find a car that handles as well as a subaru,they are a joy to drive, handling is superb,steering really positive and they grip the road like no other, and they leave a lot of the other suv's at the lights way behind..

[@ikkenhisatsu7170]

I've owned some pretty cool (mid-budget) cars over the last nearly 50 years, but my 2021 WRX is my favorite ever. Incredible exhaust noise, lots of power and handles like a go-kart on coke. Love it. Yeah, there are faster cars, but I'm not racing it - just a daily driver. But I can pass when I need to and it never fails to make me smile.

[@ericchapman399]

Subaru Legacy 1994 longest I have ever owned a car. Alway a pleasure to drive.

[@jamesdean333]

Just bought a 2019 legacy 30,000 miles. Car Doesn’t have balls. But I do. Not everyone knows how to drive.

[@ericchapman399]

@@jamesdean333 So you now have a car with Ball Bearing Steering Gear.

[@banzairunner7860]

Never actually knew what “boxer engine” meant...good video thank you

[@paullapper8702]

Mötley Crüe h

[@jagbluegenny6864]

I bought my 08 Subaru wrx cuz I love the sound on the boxer engine

[@Godzukiisan]

2017 Subaru legacy boxer engine full syn oil change every 9k miles. No faults on the car in 223k miles. Boxer engines have less vibration than up/down piston engines. Which is why there is an original motor Subaru with 900k miles on it still driving on the road. Less vibration means less metal to metal contact inside the motor.

[@m8nick8m66]

“Rev up your Toyota’s!”

[@bv9613]

How old is the in line 4 cylinder? Old

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

Yeah.. I dont think its because its an older design that it is less popular. 200hp in a 2liter motor without a turbo is pretty good despite the torque curve

[@jason620362]

@@invertedv12powerhouse77 think about240HP f20c/f22c Engine

[@98triffid]

The fastest 911 (in the 1/4 mile bracket, not top speed) is in the mid 8s. There are I4 based cars (with very large turbochargers) that are way faster than that, even ones designed a super long time ago

[@CB-ny8zg]

David Regan 4G63 all day

[@garybrinker4522]

My Allis Chalmers has an inline 4... It's 1947.

[@ramospk]

Isn't it a contradiction when you say the boxer engine has little horsepower, and then, in the same breath you say that the Porsche 911 Carrera uses a boxer engine?

[@boowhywhywhyboowhywhywhy9547]

And airplanes

[@TaleMendon]

My parents had Hondas, Isuzus, Saturns. I had Saturn, f150. My parents got a forester and when my 150 was in the shop for the 100th time I fell in love. Sold the truck got a forester. My parents have an outback, and a legacy, my wife had a legacy and now as forester, my brother has an old forester and I have a WRX. Easily the best decision I ever made. The nice thing every single one of those cars I can service because they are so similar. Love them. Love the company.

[@Hallowsaw]

I have a Legacy 3.6r. I love how balanced the engine is. It is incredibly smooth and it is not noisy like scotty says; however, I did put aftermarket exhaust on it and now it sounds awesome and borderline older 911 sound alike. It is super roomy in the interior, not overly complicated like some cars are I do wish it was a hatchback though cause i would like the versitility of the outback without the stilts. It has been very reliable, shoot at the same mileage my previous Buick had oil leaking, had to replace all coolant piping and radiator, a/c and heater went out it was a mess. BTW it really is not hard to work on. I can do an oil change or transmission drain and fill or a differential drain and fill in about 30 minutes each. Air filter is always super easy, cabin filter is easy, battery is easily accessible. Serpentine belt was done in 20 minutes. Brakes are no different than any other mainstream car. Spark plugs are the only real difficult regular maintenance and that is because of the close frame to engine. however if you have 2 jacks and know how to loosen a couple engine mounts its really easy too. If not it could take hours yourself if you do not have the right extensions or swivels. Shoot for the price they charge at the dealer I would just buy a second jack and save yourself a couple hundred in the life of your car. I will admit though, their fluid levels are kind of high(takes almost 7qts of oil every 5k miles, 4qt of trans fluid per drain) So Scotty, how is it hard to work on? You get a balanced engine, symmetrical AWD (none of the fwd/rwd biased crap) that gets great gas mileage for an AWD car (dont compare to fwd cars cause everyone knows there is power losses and efficiency losses with awd) and extremely they are extremely practical. The key to their balanced AWD is their boxer engine. Also have you seen the crash tests of these cars, they are ridiculous at withstanding lethal damage to the occupants and my insurance is significantly lower than any other car I have owned which have all been midsized sedans or eco cars. I have 0 problems in snow of 5.5 inches or less, obviously bumpers get in the way. Shoot im confident in the awd that if the outbacks had some goot all terrain tires they could make it through 8 inches. Yes Subaru is less reliable than Toyota... but guess who owns a pretty good percentage of subaru now... Toyota. So with toyota's reliability and hybrid tech, I can see Subaru and Toyota merging and dominating a lot of the market. Shoot put Subarus AWD in the Tacoma and say goodbye to some of the smaller trucks. I have a vision that Subaru will be one of those companies that started as relatively nothing and turn into a walgreens or an amazon. And for goodness sake subaru, make a luxury line. I know too many Doctors that drive subarus mainly for their awd notoriety.

[@s13180sxSR20DET]

Porsche GT2RS and GT3RS are literally some of the fastest cars ever made. They use boxers. Yet you argue they are obsolete. You have no idea.

[@nfsfanAndrew]

@Deez Nuts theres always a way to make it work :)

[@wilson2000t]

Dragsters are the fastest cars ever built. I've yet to see one with a boxer engine!

[@flightofthefatman]

In terms of the general market they are.

[@bobriley000444]

they are high-maintenance, very expensive racing models champ...

[@itftcomputers]

@@wilson2000t Because they drive in a straight line - boxer engine is amazing when it comes to handling.

[@SuperHeliboy]

I bought a Subaru Forrester last year and it's the best SUV I've ever had out of the 5. It's says that it is only 170 odd horsepower but feels nearly twice that. Shocking getup and go of it. I would most certainly buy another.

[@mr.lumbergh]

The Forester is a great car, just got one for my better half and she loves it.

[@markplatter8394]

Just bought the 2022 Toyota GR86 premium with a manual! Awesome power, handling, and has a wicked great sound! Scotty, I live about 2-1/2 hours east of Nashville, let’s go for a ride!

[@shifted1978]

Hey. Don’t be throwing shade on my slow Toyota 86. How dare you lol.

[@jaredswords3]

It's a fun slow car. Cheap as hell too.

[@Rhythmeister]

It may not be fast in a straight line buts it's a sports car and corners are where it truly excels, especially with that incredibly low CoG 😎

[@galuhrichata6148]

And it is one of the easiest car to drift around. True, it is not fast. But it can bring so much fun. (By the way, I wish they put the 265 hp WRX engine in it, or even the 300 hp WRX STi engine, for that matter).

[@Rhythmeister]

@@galuhrichata6148, I'd say it'd make a great track car with a little lightening and with about 300bhp 👌🏼

[@galuhrichata6148]

Liam O'Flaherty Amen to that, Brother...👍🏼👍🏼

[@bradh6185]

The head gaskets are being corroded by pooling of coolant.

[@phantom240]

Winner. Neglecting your coolant system exacerbates the issue of poor head gasket material choice (graphite) that Subaru used for many years. Notice how the turbo cars with MLS headgaskets rarely have issues.

[@internalharm]

My cousin inlaw works for Subaru as a master mechanic. He said the engine will last a good while if you don't drive it too hard. But most people dont because they have turbo, so they have issues like blown head gasket. BTW he said most repair do require dropping the motor so its something to think about. Thats extensive.