SPIDER-MAN 4: How VENOM and HOBGOBLIN Can Enter The MCU | What's After No Way Home?

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[@ethanbailey9114]

Hi

[@KFP_Fanboy]

i can’t wait for flash to become agent venom

[@ruaridh1084]

It a scam your not an official Scottish lord

[@canthandlethislol]

It won't be Ned..He promised right?

[@starfthegreat]

I did a bit of research, it's totally a scam

[@TheMultiverseofSpidey]

*Peter is at his lowest point in his life ,and the temptation of the symbiote's power is just prefect for this moment. I'm looking forward for the black suit arc in the MCU.*

[@dexfamous4798]

No cap

[@HowdyItLovll]

I think that Black Cat represents a better antagonist, she represents a substitute for friendship and Peter's loneliness would be more of a problem

[@joelcheng813]

@@dexfamous4798 it doesn’t fit

[@Nkit_1]

Waiting for Bully Holland :)

[@NmD_3]

@@wayneverhoff9928 My exact thoughts. Prob would be the best way to roll out black cat in the Mcu

[@lucaklipa8495]

I think it would be pretty cool if the Hob Goblin reused Osborns Goblin Suit that he left in No Way Home. This would also bring out Peters dark side even more because he would literally see the goblin in every fight which would make a darksuit even more fitting.

[@theoutlawking9123]

True, also, Hobgoblin could also be Ned, basically Ned founds out that peter erased his and MJ's memories and then sees that as a betrayal. He then uses Osborn's suit, modify it and becomes Hobgoblin. This wouldn't happen til the 5th film though, with Ned spending the next film slowly remembering what peter did. All this would create that personal villain for Peter, since it would be his once best friend.

[@lucaklipa8495]

@@theoutlawking9123 Definetly, but in my opinion it might be a bit hard to pull this pff with ned, because his charakter needs to take a whole 180 tbh

[@theoutlawking9123]

@@lucaklipa8495 Yeah, that's the hard part, but Kingsley could be controlling him or a piece of the symbiote got to him, feeding off his sense of betrayal at the hands of his best friend. Remember the symbiote amplifies every emotion, a little anger and sense of betrayal would become amplified enough to make him almost crazy.

[@lucaklipa8495]

@@theoutlawking9123 thats a nice idea tbh. I could see that peter gets the black suit and venom learns about ned through peter and after peter leaves it its going to search for ned and maybe give him the information that everyone got brainwashed, and then only Ned would know it and every emotion that he has in this second which will be alot is then getting used by venom to feed his anger

[@ByrneNoticeTX]

Only issue is that green goblin didn't leave his suit behind in, he was wearing the tactical suit underneath the hobo clothes hence the retractable blades on his wrist.

[@utspaz849]

While I do feel like the Symbiote stuff will be done well, I’m also worried that it’ll devalue the role model that Andrew’s Spider-Man was to him. He literally told him that after the death of his loved one, he got rage full and bitter. If the symbiote causes Tom to go down that same path, there’ll need to be a scene of him reflecting and remembering what Andrew said to him and using his words to quell the symbiote’s influence, or else Andrew’s advice will have been pretty much thrown away.

[@Noone-vi5bu]

yeah

[@lilnuttt2974]

"I stopped pulling my punches"

[@Zero-ij9cv]

This comment is why i dont believe THE MCU ISNT DOING BLACK SUIT SPIDER MAN ITLL PROLLY B NED LEEDS HOBGOBLIN AND TOXIN

[@glocktop916]

thats not the true iconic comic spiderman symbiote story arc tho

[@stevenjohnson6962]

I was actually thinking the other day about how Ned doesn't have any friends now. An emotional storyline could be that Ned falls in with the wrong crowd and it leads him into becoming hobgoblin. And Peter has to deal with the ramifications of his choice of staying away from him and now has has to fight his best friend who doesn't remember him.

[@dimitriwoopi]

but ned is still friends with MJ?

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

@@dimitriwoopi In college they'll probably separate or she'll not spend time with him or something, which can still lead him to become Hobgoblin.

[@jacmenz4113]

@@VivekYadav-ds8oz they bought mit and ned has a girlfriend and he will prob get dumped and rejected from society and sees spiderman on tv and will hate him maybe

[@ember_lol]

@@jacmenz4113 or it could be sum like what happened to electro, was an outcast, got saved, became obsessed, then evil. ya get me?

[@WROB3L]

X to doubt, i think they will give him magic as we saw in nwh, he can open portals and he said his grandma told him he Has magic in his family, so i think ned is Safe from turning into hobgoblin

[@eleeuroandoro3041]

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[@TexasPig]

Lemme try! Screencrush: Spider-Man needs his own personal villain. JJJ: Hello there!

[@thesonofdormammu5475]

Can Disney just hire you as a writer already? I've seen you propose a number of different movie plot lines and they all sound excellent. This one is probably your best. Well done!

[@bet0v966]

If they were to make Kingsley a mob boss & Peter’s nemesis, then he could have a certain someone as an employee to help make his gear & the other villains - The Tinkerer. He never got arrested in Homecoming. Can also have alongside him as fellow coworker the Jackal, Connors, Smythe, or Doc Ock to help create villains that have genetic mutations

[@Thundra1000]

Ya MCU Tinkerer was great too. They need to use that character again

[@miraclecomics]

What about the Scorpion?

[@bet0v966]

@@miraclecomics Of course Scorpion would great. So would the Beetle & Prowler. If they all come in to work for Kingsley, he’ll need someone to create them & their tech. That’s what I meant by have Tinkerer come back in. Same thing for the characters like Jackal or Smythe who deal with genetics ; don’t have them as main baddies but have them work for Kingsley to create villains with genetic mutations like Hydroman or Electro

[@miraclecomics]

@@bet0v966 gotcha.

[@galarstar052]

i doubt they'll do Lizard or Doc Ock again. Not only because they're probably doing more amazing spiderman films but also because Tom now has the foreknowledge of how to cure them. I can see them bringing in another version of Osborn to tie into the venom arc (giving Peter someone to direct his anger towards)

[@TheMultiverseofSpidey]

*Another really interesting option for Agent Venom: The Punisher. He's a badass anti-hero, and with the Netflix characters starting to reappear in the MCU, it's entirely possible now. No idea if it happens in the comics, but it's a fun possibility.*

[@morztremo975]

siempre te veo comentar muy buenos comentarios en cualquier video que me recomiendan xd

[@Tores444]

Punisher is never gonna be Agent Venom. Agent Venon is only ever Flash Thompson

[@theoutlawking9123]

That's a good idea but I'd rather give MCU Frank his version of the War Machine armor from the comics.

[@Cookberg]

Yeah I agree with he person above...while Frank Castle having becoming Agent Venom would be pretty cool, I can only see it going to Flash. They set him up perfectly to get the symbiote, his characterization is very similar to that of the Flash Thompson in the Ultimate cartoon, which is a near perfect version of AV (other than the veteran part)

[@everything-comics1102]

No, why…..

[@milkiassamuel780]

Although I would be really tempted to see Hobgoblin in the MCU (perhaps as Ned Lee since they really loved teasing the idea) I do think introducing the Norman Osborn of the MCU could be really interesting (and instead of being played by William Dafoe this would be someone new but still the same Norman in his heart, maybe someone like Jason Isaacs). It would really introduce the idea of whether Peter can ever be free of Norman and whether we will see Green Goblin in the MCU and affect Peter on a psychological level, thus leading to Peter's darker inhibitions to lead to him getting the black suit. If they do introduce the Norman Osborn of the MCU then I would hope that they don't show him as Green Goblin and present how cunning, devious and intelligent Norman is and how he isn't defined by his identity as Green Goblin and can be just as sinister as Norman Osborn (similar to how incredibly intelligent and regal Lex Luthor is for DC), thus Norman could be working with Kingpin to create more crime and create more villains for Peter to fight (very similar to Tombstone's plot in Spectacular Spiderman).

[@BlackHedgehog]

The biggest problem with using Norman at all is they established Oscorp as not existing in the MCU. So they would need to establish Oscorp as a thing first.

[@milkiassamuel780]

@@BlackHedgehog Oh yeah that's a good point, but then again I can also see the MCU retconing the fact that a Norman Osborn does exist in the MCU as they did slightly retcon Baron Zemo's family history for Falcon and The Winter Soldier andd for other plot threads. No to mention who's to say what the universal implications of the 'forget-me' spell are exactly? I can see Oscorp perhaps acting as the new up and coming weapons manufacturer in the vain of Stark Industries for the MCU. But then again we will have to wait and see whether Norman will be in the MCU and if not I would then it would feel super refreshing to see characters like Hobgoblin, Kraven, Scorpion or Black Cat all make their eventual debut. I do still think Jason Isaacs would be a great choice for Norman Osborn in the MCU. However if they are going to tell the black suit saga then I wonder how they will introduce the Eddie Brock of the MCU and whether we will even see an MCU Eddie Brock become Venom, not mention if he will have some deep connection to Peter since everyone no longer knows who he is?

[@lastunikorin]

I like to think the rich science tech guy as stark so i don't think there will be an mcu osborn. They didn't make harry peter's friend or introduce any other k8nd of osborn stuff, like osborn tech. I think stark is the osborn of the mcu, I'd like to see the few villians mentioned that weren't used, like shocker, prowler, venom, scorpion, hobgoblin, and vulture. They could be the mcu's sinister 6

[@kevi101]

Ósea

[@BlackHedgehog]

@@lastunikorin It's also possible they're leaving Harry for the next trilogy. Which might lead to a forming of Oscorp. Or perhaps Norman ends up running a different company in the MCU.

[@Osva200]

Fair point but I think Fisk could still handle multiple heroes and rivalries and still work (maybe). Also, Spidey and Daredevil please. If Kingpin is a no and Kingsley is a go, bring in Tombstone and Hammerhead as well, as his homies. I'm curious to see their designs in live action.

[@endergoldman9965]

This idea of Hobgoblin and Scorpion being villains is brilliant!

[@random27]

They have an amazing opportunity to name this movie. Peter finding his place in the world, fixing his reputation and fighting for the little guy that lost faith. All while showing of his movie references. SPIDERMAN IV : A New Home

[@mThurston86]

In regards with the darkness, I could honestly see him wanting to kill kingpin or the villain of the movie, only to be lectured by daredevil on how its not worth it, IT WOULD BE AWESOME

[@jacmenz4113]

ikr

[@johnnytee911]

Isnt that pretty much what happen in the last one

[@jetmirselimi8944]

@@johnnytee911 true... he already got that lesson from tobey's spiderman

[@unseenshooter07a14]

I think hobgoblin should be Ned Leeds cause it would make peter’s villains very interesting, maybe like Ned finds out that Peter never retold Ned and he would get jealous. He already wasn’t bit by the spider he mentions in Homecoming he wished would have bit him, so he was Peter’s “guy in the chair”, the next best thing. But now he has none of it and Peter doesn’t want Ned to be his “guy in the chair” cause it’s too dangerous. So Ned wants to be something worth it in his own eyes so he turns into the hobgoblin, hoping to make a name for himself and hear from Peter that he is a great… Which Ned thinks is all he really wants but he actually wants vengeance

[@ScreenCrush]

Who would you cast as (the other) Venom in the MCU?

[@ethanbailey9114]

Hi

[@KTKing81]

A while ago on another video I posted a comment stating I think Mac Gargan will become Venom within the MCU due to how Gargan in the comic books become Venom after Eddie Brock was temporarily separated from the symbiote. Then I conversed with another person who believes Ned will become Venom in the MCU due to what Ned said to Peter in the laboratory in No Way Home about not becoming a super villain and attempting to murder Peter (Tom Holland’s Peter Parker). I would like to add to that theory; Ned Leeds becomes Venom in the MCU after the symbiote temporarily bonds and is separated from Peter, then the alien costume bonds with Ned to become Venom, and then spawns another symbiote that will bond with Mac Gargan to become Carnage in the MCU which could lead to a Maximum Carnage based live action Spider-Man film. With this being said, a question must be raised; did Dr. Stranger’s spell at the end of No Way Home affect the symbiote left by Tom Hardy’s Eddie Brock/ Venom in a the MCU and the symbiote hive mind? We need clarification on this asap by Marvel and Sony. 💯✌🏿🤙🏿

[@ishaanbhattacharya9405]

It would be dope if maybe mac gargan is venom in mcu

[@TomE.V.]

I would cast Doug. I think he would look quite fetching in the black suit.......

[@IFledFromKansas]

It's going to be the Punisher.

[@nostalgiajuana]

Spider-Man: Homeless would be the absolute perfect name for the movie, good shit man

[@mariachamoun]

It made me laugh so hard when he said Homeless xD

[@josephvernon21]

new home

[@nostalgiajuana]

@@josephvernon21 nope

[@nostalgiajuana]

@@mariachamoun it's the perfect title tho really

[@gradualdecay]

He couldn't pay his rent after all.

[@FloweredAngelFilms]

I love this! It's so cool to see how many options the comics offer the films, as far as what directions they might take in the future. It's probably unlikely that it'll happen, but I'm personally hoping for Flash to continue being a part of the next trilogy. We still don't know what his parents do, other than being too rich and busy to pick him up from his international school trips. I want to find out that his parents are in with the Kingpin (or are trying to make a move in the power vacuum). Maybe they hire the Scorpion, help give a massive social/financial boost to Kraven's public image, create the Hobgoblin, etc, whatever, no idea, BUT whatever they do, it'll give us a chance to see Flash as a more fleshed out character, torn between living up to the pressure of his family and his own personal ideals. And, heck, even without his family's mysterious status, we know that the comics had Flash as a host, so maybe that'll be the ending to the black-suit Spider-Man story, with Peter willingly passing the Symbiote to Flash -- saving him from a mortal wound, or creating an ally to take down the big bad, or to help him break free of his family's criminal doings.

[@tldr365]

Nah. He's not popular enough of an actor to have so much emphasis placed on. Just comedic relief.

[@sangatsingh3378]

Maes death made him uncurruptable in my eyes and the Spider-Men showed him the way to being a true Spider-Man. I don’t think the next set of movies will lean on the darker tone until he gets the symbiote.

[@adz4528]

I like how you kept showing Esposito Giancarlo when you were talking about Kingsley, he's such a great example and one of the most fitting actors when it comes to antagonists.

[@jeffreytan2186]

I hopefully they will put Esposito Giancarlo playing the real hobgoblin aka Roderick Kingsley in MCU Spiderman 4 film

[@rikorobinson]

The second caveat using Kraven is that he's being used in Sony's Spider-Man 2 on the Playstation 5. And considering Venom is confirmed in that game, too, I'm guessing they're already doing an adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt. Doing it all in a movie as well, at probably roughly the same year as the game's released, seems a bit redundant.

[@johnnytee911]

Good catch. That's unfortunate

[@filipovicmilos]

Didn't they do the same thing after Sam Raimi's SM2 with the PS2 videogame? It was released after the movie and while it had a few other villains the main one and the final fight scene is against Doc Ock.

[@codymclemore4816]

@@filipovicmilos that game was based on the movie 🤦‍♂️

[@filipovicmilos]

@@codymclemore4816 but that's my point they aren't making a game strictly based on a movie, it has other characters that don't appear

[@codymclemore4816]

@@filipovicmilos that's how all games that were based on movies at the time were made. They always came with extra stuff in them.

[@IcyDiamond]

Hobgoblin is the perfect compromise between getting a new actor to watch play Green Goblin and keeping Willem as the one main Green Goblin

[@ScreenCrush]

Who do you think should be the villain in Spider-Man 4?

[@ethanbailey9114]

Hi

[@TheKhal22]

Scorpion and Chameleon

[@KTKing81]

A while ago on another video I posted a comment stating I think Mac Gargan will become Venom within the MCU due to how Gargan in the comic books become Venom after Eddie Brock was temporarily separated from the symbiote. Then I conversed with another person who believes Ned will become Venom in the MCU due to what Ned said to Peter in the laboratory in No Way Home about not becoming a super villain and attempting to murder Peter (Tom Holland’s Peter Parker). I would like to add to that theory; Ned Leeds becomes Venom in the MCU after the symbiote temporarily bonds and is separated from Peter, then the alien costume bonds with Ned to become Venom, and then spawns another symbiote that will bond with Mac Gargan to become Carnage in the MCU which could lead to a Maximum Carnage based live action Spider-Man film. With this being said, a question must be raised; did Dr. Stranger’s spell at the end of No Way Home affect the symbiote left by Tom Hardy’s Eddie Brock/ Venom in a the MCU and the symbiote hive mind? We need clarification on this asap by Marvel and Sony. 💯✌🏿🤙🏿

[@TheKhal22]

@@KTKing81 I would like if Ned got the symbiote momentarily and it drove him insane and extremely violent and that makes him become Hobgoblin

[@irishted13]

Nobody has really ever brought up Spencer Smythe & the Spider Slayers

[@landon1812]

I literally want to see this exact plot you came up with, from the Venom suite to Black Cat and Kraven the Hunter. It just sounds so good and I hope that we can get something like this.

[@dnbsupreme]

Yesssss, bang on! Exactly what is needed now is for him to go to hims roots and be more down to Earth. He is on his own, we have had the origin in 3 movies now lets go forward with just Peter. Theres soo many villians out there!! I'd love Hobgoblin! Even Scorpion from first movie. Kingpin needs to be pulling the strings and we want Black Cat❤️

[@Cookberg]

I friggen _absolutely_ *love* this entire video/idea. It’s perfect

[@redspirit5790]

Ever since the end of no way home and the introduction of the symbiote, my first thought was this is the absolute perfect point in time to do a black suit story for peter.

[@AlbAlPasa]

In the future movies I hope to see not before seen actions scenes with villains such as Kraven, Scorpio and so on instead of Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin etc. We need something brand new. Not even revisions of seen ones.

[@ChillinWithTJ]

Agreed. Peter needs to deal with the afterman of people thinking he killed mysterio, may dieing and also more street level crimes again with one cunning/smart human boss to defeat

[@madtitan0825]

I hope to see black cat, Peter needs a new love interest other than Gwen and MJ

[@saturncrush]

Yes, Black cat would definitely take the film Spiderman into nw mature territory. The part that everyone assumes Spiderman is someone that has it together and thinks he is much older then he actually is due to the responsibility he places on himself puts him into a lot of socially challenging situations.

[@Oibble]

How have we not had Black Cat yet? She's by far the most compelling of Peter's love interests imo.

[@madtitan0825]

@@Oibble there was rumor of Sony wanting Anya Taylor joy as Felicia

[@AuspiciousIno]

@@madtitan0825 god I hope not

[@mavielor7394]

I feel like Peter and "MJ" relationship was so forced

[@hiryu619]

3 things I need in the next Trilogy 1. Kraven The Hunter 2. Venom 3. Hobgoblin/Black Cat

[@pax_sxprano]

Just dont cast ned as hobgoblin

[@pax_sxprano]

I mean jacob batalon

[@TheKendeHD]

@@pax_sxprano please i hope they do not that would be so weird

[@absolutemadlad5662]

Two words: Parker industries

[@Evie-h5n]

@@pax_sxprano why

[@thetoondevil]

I really like this idea. Hobgoblin would be a great villain for the next movie. And having Black Cat as a paid assassin would be great!

[@justinmawi3745]

YES, I was also hoping the next movies would be the Spectacular trilogy. That's a very solid story. I hope the bosses are watching

[@4eyesover2]

That 90’s cartoon is still in my top 3 favorite animated shows I’ve ever watched. Everyone was in it at some point, the theme was catchy, they explained the multiverse with Madame Web, and he wore the black suit and saw what it did to him

[@doctorboots1604]

If they take any inspiration from the larger Spidey canon I really do hope they take some queues from Spectacular Spider-Man. Especially in developing the Peter/Spidey vs Brock/Venom story. Give us a couple of movies of Peter and Brock with a genuine friendship that's being strained under the weight of Peter being Spider-Man. I can see them using the Black Suit as a "crutch" of sorts. Lacking the technological advancements of the Iron Spider suit Peter thinks he needs an advantage to deal with the current villain(s) and starts using it to his advantage. Let him use it for the bulk of an entire movie before we even get hints of how it's corrupting him (probably in a post credit stinger where it's using Peter's sleeping form to go out and brutalize thugs) and over time he rejects the suit because of what it's doing to him and it gravitates towards Brock to bond over their mutual feelings of betrayal. I do like the idea of Spidey dealing with "Street Level" criminals but I think you still need good over the top Dick Tracy style gangsters to make a good Spider-Man vs the Mob story so yeah whip out Tombstone, Hammerhead, and the Enforcers. Have them contract with the remnants of Vulture and Mysterio crews to whip up some tech-villains.

[@nicholasgarrick7546]

So excited to see the future of spiderman in the MCU, and yeah seeing him in spiderman 4 which is just insane can't wait to see the venom symbiote latched onto his suit for what's in store.

[@jaykinholmes7961]

Unpopular opinion I do NOT want venom in the mcu

[@arunmoses2197]

5:15 Did you just say Peter dancing in the street was a mistake? Bruh.

[@lovesjoke4097]

YOOOOO Spectaculaaarrrr SPIDERMAN! That would be THEBEST mcu callback ever

[@TheMultiverseofSpidey]

*Hope we get to see a Venom and Spidey fight in a future movie. Andrew vs Hardy would be awesome.* 💪🕷🕸

[@slotheronie3192]

Ik everybody wants the 4th tobey 3rd Andrew but if anything it’d only really make sense to just continue the holland series with them joining to help & not go back and potentially fuck up any of the legacies that those series were ya know haha no way home did a perfect job of bringing them back and still keeping the legacies they were but to bring them back to present time than go back to when they left off in their movies as they are also featuring in present mcu movies and have all these holland movies out with them featuring so honestly making their films again just sounds so confusing for everything. honestly it’ll probably be Tom hollands vs venom but tobey and Andrew could probably show up to help and I think we need to accept by this timeline and how many years sense the originals they should only be like older wiser Spider-Man’s for this generations Spider-Man (holland) don’t hate on me I’m not saying they won’t obviously Sony&disney will do what they want and it’s not like they care what I say but with all that said I think it’s safe to say they’ll keep the past spideys as like multiverse wiser Ben Riley’s for this present one !

[@deadapple1700]

Since the mcu changes up things a lot, i wouldn't mind if they say gwen and harry's name correctly. It would be nice to see peter saying "gwendolyn" and "harold" or "theo" for each of them. I also wouldn't mind if harry became Hob and becomes a hero for a short time then gets brainwashed by the goblin and ultimately kill gwen.

[@aidenkz]

Well idk how I feel about Spider-Man needing the Venom suit vs Wilson Fisk. Idk why everyone is against Spider-Man vs World level threats but that's what he should use the Venom suit for imo

[@columtaylor4288]

Everybody is always saying “Kraven this” or “Scorpion that” but nobody is talking about what the fans really want- A stand alone Big Wheel movie

[@VideoStalker00]

I would love to see a live-action version of Scorpion tbh!

[@armisael82]

If a version of Tom Hardy is in the MCU I'm pretty sure the part of venom that stayed behind will recognize Eddie since is a piece of the venom from that universe making a part of that venom's mind remember his version of Eddie Brock

[@tonycockerham6971]

I believe that the next Spider-Man trilogy will finally build up the Sinister 6 in a perfectly, highly anticipated way.

[@gemodorgon]

We already got the sinister six in some form with this most recent movie. I don't see why they'd do the exact same thing again.

[@EpicMickeyFanOfficial]

Dude... your ideas are the best I've seen.... this needs to be Spider-Man 4

[@Euan98morgan]

Ned being the hobgoblin would be way better, think of how peter would feel fighting him once he finds out its ned

[@nicholasfleischhauer191]

8:39 His voice here totally reminds me of elderly Biff Tannen in Back to the Future 2

[@sarasharick5209]

That sounds like an entire trilogy’s worth of action and character development not just one movie

[@matheusfiorelli8829]

about the memory spell, they could pull a "50 First Dates", with MJ and Ned often dreaming about that random dude that went get coffee that one time

[@nitsugazemag]

The next movie can very well all about his inner battle with his power, the physical manifestation of what Aunt May’s final words meant and put it to an ultimate test. It could be that Hob-Goblin can be his next villain, but seems too soon. Maybe it could be ramping to his origin story as the known villain to Spider-Man being more of a criminal underbelly crusade making more enemies along the way. Could see the Shocker? He was teased at the end of Homecoming and could be like the 90s animated series that helps Peter become aware of sonic noise being what detaches the symbiote from himself 🤷‍♂️. Might be a while before we see the web slinger.

[@nitsugazemag]

@@eddypaulsays2311 here’s hoping it sticks to that time.

[@nitsugazemag]

@@eddypaulsays2311 I know, but sometimes rumors are correct. Even when something is projected by Disney/Marvel, it’s subject to change. Let’s hope the pandemic ends asap so that we can watch the MCU/Spiderverse unfold like nature intended lol

[@nitsugazemag]

@Arthur Fleck if people get vaxxed, boosted and stop spreading, yeah, it’ll end, but somehow many people can’t be told what to do, even if it’s for the public health, safety, and exhausting our greatest resources, hospitals 😕. The more you know 🌈 🌟

[@todangtall]

Thank a lot Ryan. Now I have that song stuck in my head again.

[@MarvinMartinez2001]

I hope we see a Spider-Man and Daredevil team up film

[@cameronfox9459]

BRILLIANT!!!!

[@KTKing81]

A while ago on another video I posted a comment stating I think Mac Gargan will become Venom within the MCU due to how Gargan in the comic books become Venom after Eddie Brock was temporarily separated from the symbiote. Then I conversed with another person who believes Ned will become Venom in the MCU due to what Ned said to Peter in the laboratory in No Way Home about not becoming a super villain and attempting to murder Peter (Tom Holland’s Peter Parker). I would like to add to that theory; Ned Leeds becomes Venom in the MCU after the symbiote temporarily bonds and is separated from Peter, then the alien costume bonds with Ned to become Venom, and then spawns another symbiote that will bond with Mac Gargan to become Carnage in the MCU which could lead to a Maximum Carnage based live action Spider-Man film. With this being said, a question must be raised; did Dr. Stranger’s spell at the end of No Way Home affect the symbiote left by Tom Hardy’s Eddie Brock/ Venom in a the MCU and the symbiote hive mind? We need clarification on this asap by Marvel and Sony. 💯✌🏿🤙🏿

[@kemsat-n6h]

Even if it did affect the goop, the goop is still connected to their goop-internet. It prolly just reloads its last save. So it still remembers Peter & Spider-Man, and probably even Eddie Brock. At least that’s what I understand from what’s been given.

[@RitikSharma-uu2kj]

Spiderman working with daredevil❤️

[@nyceflix]

On the heels of Batman, Black Cat might be a tough sell. She was great in the comics though.

[@eraser400]

0:37 "Spider-Man 4: Homeless" lmao 😂!

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Here' what l think feigi will do: -the mcu variant of norman Osborn not gonna be green goblin, they will instead make mcu variant the new head of shield or the dark avenger. -they will use hobgoblin in mcu instead of doing mcu version green goblin and it won't be ned. Kevin feigi is a very creative guy and he make everything work his way, he is the man with the back plans and his back up plans have back up plans.

[@dannydentarkis6482]

Leigh Whannell for directing Spiderman 4. Upgrade and Invisible Man… think he could do that black costume Spiderman justice.

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

I think it's much better that Ned becomes Hobgoblin. It's gonna be much more powerful if he tries to fight the newfound overconfidence from Venom when the life of his former friend is at stake, who doesn't even care about Peter, but yet Peter cares about him.

[@larissa5045]

Yes and it would give it grounds for it to take over prater and in the final Sean of the movie he could Get taken over and the next move then trying to free Peter

[@CRAYON_AE]

I’d love to see hulky green goblin from the ultimate Spider-Man universe he’s just so goddamn scary and I’d love to see Harry come in with him

[@westonshumaker6231]

People keep forgetting about Mac Gargan who was introduced in Homecoming. He also wears the symbiote suit.

[@garmacdonald8455]

You are forgetting the broken Black Orchid necklace, and the Death Star. When Peter met with MJ and Ned in the diner post world amnesia, MJ was still wearing the broken necklace. In the before time it had sentimental value as it came from Peter. She still wears it, because the physical manifestations of Peter's existence haven't disappeared, merely the memory as well as the emotional growth engendered. Peter finds himself friendless at the end of the film, but at least he knows why. Ned is alone, but as far as he can remember, he always has been. There is a magnitude of experience between building that enormous Lego Death Star alone can with a friend. It's massive, intricate, requires a certain mind to complete, and cemented their bond. Ned took tremendous pride in the Man in the Chair persona, a pride in dangerous activities using high tech. Now none of that happened, yet how will his mind fill in the gaps? MJ without Peter and the looming anxiety of being around him - who might attack? Is he radioactive? - is more optimistic and positive. Ned, having bitterly constructed the Death Star alone, learning to rely on his own brilliance, that the world was a place without friendship - that Ned is not at all the Jolly Ned we knew, who would, frankly be ridiculous as Hobgoblin. New Ned, who we don't know at all, is dangerously different. What if he starts dreaming of the Green Goblin, not seeing him clearly but emulating on an unconscious level? Imagine you find out that you once had a close beat friend, that he stole that friendship away, imagine the rage? I'd pay to see that Hobgoblin, rather than Roderick Kingsley, some rando X gen. Have the actor hit the Marvel gym and a Kumail transformation in the next two years.

[@TheMultiverseofSpidey]

*The franchise has SO many iconic Spidey villains that it would be insane to make Hobgoblin the main baddie again and again. Kraven, Scorpion, Chameleon, and many more exist.*

[@irishted13]

When has Hobgoblin been used in any of the Spider-Man franchises?

[@ericcalicci8775]

@@irishted13 he probably thinks James franco goblin was hobgoblin. But hobgoblin never appeared in any spiderman films.

[@chasefrydayjacobs]

Ryan, this is PERFECTION!

[@jadoflux]

I would LOVE to see these plot arcs come to life.

[@JMS-to3xb]

I really like that Lord Doug calls you Lord person.

[@814josepants]

The next movie has to show us, the viewer the ramifications of the spell. If the decide to bring back the main cast it will show us the changes of MJ, Ned, Flash. For MJ and flash there won't be much of a change other then MJ not being close to Ned and Flash picked on Ned a lot more. But for Ned there will be a big change since the memories of Peter are gone, he becomes a guy with little to no friends, seems to have had a gave take relationship with Spider-Man. example Ned talked to spidy to hang out and agreed and peter shows. All those memories of hanging out are gone but the memories of him asking spidy are still there so in Ned mind spidy has been letting him down feeling bitter leading him to become hobgoblin

[@manorueda1432]

What a wonderful exposition! 👍

[@MrKinkysloth]

14:08 Uncle Joey, like doctah!

[@thomasbennett0]

MCU Spiderman 4 should introduce Gwen Stacy, played by Dove Cameron, to the MCU and have her become Ghost Spider. Peter should get the symbiote in Spiderman 6 where Mr Negative is the villain.

[@michaelpudney9368]

I actually do like the idea of Ned becoming Hobgoblin, perhaps not straight away, but further down. The whole 'everyone forgetting' thing may led Ned down a semi dark path trying to piece everything together, that paired with Peter already going down a dark path (add in the symbiote), the two could come in conflict in-turn cementing Ned as Hobgoblin, and this could be what helps Peter finally realise the path he is on (add in the whole church scene where Peter gets rid of the symbiote).

[@Jaylobeans]

Mac gargan! Also I love your dog.

[@channierichardson8440]

I think he will get the symbiote in Spiderman 5

[@creativeguy1138]

Spider-Man 4 needs to be about Spider-Man. Not Venom, not even the black suit, but Spider-Man being Spider-Man in his own Red and Blue's.. We don't need to rush Venom into his universe just yet. There are plenty of other villains that are interesting. Him encountering the black suit at the end of Spidey 4? Maybe. But let this next film be something new.

[@Blakeneyd]

Love your ideas, you should pitch this to Marvel / Disney. 1 scene I’d like to add: At some point Spider-Man sees a magic portal open. A shadowy figure steps out and approaches menacingly. Spider tenses, ready to fight. Light falls on the newcomers face, who shouts out a single word: “RENT?”

[@benjaminjenkins394]

A Peter dancing sequence could actually work as a callback. It’s like the dance is a fixed point for every Spider-Man in every universe hahaha

[@jamesrosengrant8675]

Since the first trilogy all about his growing up and becoming a man, the "home" monocur made perfect sense. It's the home trilogy. I want this next trilogy to be all about him standing on his own and showing the man he really is. So "spectacular" is a great moncur for this trilogy. And if we get it. The third trilogy would be the "ultimate" trilogy leading up to miles officially being handed the tile of spiderman

[@LagoonKnight]

They got to do Hobgoblin in all his glory in looks, Hooded cape, pumpkin bag, red eyes and all.

[@TaroZak]

Can you just write the next couple Spidey movies because this sounds perfect. Wow.

[@patrickpellow7863]

Cricket Ryan! This is bloody brilliant! Marvel hire this man immediately!!!

[@Roman-lb2em]

Hearing “The spectacular Spider-Man” after a long time gave me goosebumps

[@luisnunez201]

Love this idea! Really hope MCU takes note. Everything doesn’t have to be interconnected all the time

[@BOSS_1417]

Oh wow your script is just perfect!

[@patrickmckibben1932]

Spider-Man 4 HOMELESS! You killed me 🤣. That was the best and it cleverly fits.

[@nicholasmaher1909]

Giancarlo Esposito as hobgoblin, love that idea, yes please make that movie!

[@HowieD1975]

AWESOME JOB RYAN!!!!! Put the script together for MARVEL… you have my vote!

[@ghazankhan3815]

1:05 Only Og's will know who said this line , Only true Marvel fans know

[@emmanueldinama8972]

I love how The Scorpion actor(Micheal Mando) and the Tinkerer actor (Giancarlo) are both unforgettable villains from the Ubisoft Far Cry franchise...

[@chrisosteen1964]

I think they need to get away from the goblins in the next movie. I think it would be cool since in No Way Home they had a bunch of Jack O Lanterns in one scene. It would be perfect to bring Jack O Lantern to the big screen. He is personally my favorite villain and would love to see him in a movie. But that's just my thought.

[@PincheBrayan101]

Don’t forget the potential option of Ned becoming Hob Goblin. I can see Ned becoming Hob Goblin due to forgetting his promise to come look for him once he remembers, Ned would feel betrayed and maybe want revenge.

[@brendenwhittington9088]

Chameleon would be such an interesting villain to show in Spider-Man 4. Peter could use the symbiote to defeat Chameleon while also showing NYC to not believe everything they see. But don’t have Eddie Brock (variant) appear until Spider-Man 5. Then the symbiote jumps to Eddie because he feels more powerful with Eddie, then Spider-Man has to fight what made him feel stronger, ultimately fighting his own problems and insecurities.

[@mordo3160]

If Venom gets introduced it could go like this: - He's Eddie Brock, a schoolmate of Peter in college and a star football player but because of Spidey's battles, he gets injured and breaks his legs(like Flash Thompson's Agent Venom) and make him unable to play football anymore and he blames Spider-Man. - After recovering, he worked as a journalist to get intel on who Spiderman is and when Spidey gets rid of the symbiote, it made its way to Eddie and bond with it, becoming Venom.

[@jaredsteenhoff6787]

You nailed it!

[@brandonlewis8626]

Very well said. Great concepts! Keep up the great work!

[@netboyz]

Welcome to screen crush I’m Ryan ere!! I always get exited to hear that!!!😆

[@briandaleske5139]

I really like this set of theories that have been mentioned.

[@corrywilliams1290]

Sir you completely nailed it 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ricktheruler1665]

I really liked this , very well planned and something that makes sense

[@jodiss2148]

We’ve never seen him really swing through New York, I feel that should be a focus in the next movie