Seafall - Shut Up & Sit Down Review

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[@kizmetmars]

C4 is the only thing I hear when Quins says Seafall.

[@randomfleming]

11:06. "But Quinns, you've done all this walking around with unusually creative framing..." It certainly is impressive and appreciated.

[@RobertKonigsberg]

I suspect you might have done this whole review just to show a card that says "Quinnstantinople."

[@spencerjames3551]

I feel like I've seen that shot at 8:40 several times in so many history documentaries, some deep thinking historian crouching down and fiddling with dirt and grass for no particular reason. That made me laugh because of the sheer accuracy to the history doc format. Well done review.

[@vanessac9238]

Oh my god I'm so glad to have found your review. So many other reviews are so dry and unbearable so THANK YOU for being entertaining

[@kivipaperisakset3999]

This was the nicest way I've ever seen anyone say: "This game is kinda shit."

[@robertknight3776]

But it's really not, just a few games in and I have to say that he's not wrong in a lot of this, but the game is actually fun to play. It's a lot of fun to explore, it's just not for everyone.

[@BardicLiving]

I like how tactful all of their negative/mixed reviews are.

[@cullenalfonso609]

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[@houstonbrysen7755]

@Cullen Alfonso instablaster =)

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[@WarzoneVincent]

It's subjective opinion time! On the flip reverse it side of this review, I would say that our group looks forward to playing every week at this game. We are quite far into it now and are loving all of the elements of the story and how things are unfolding. You really do have to play 5 or 6 games before things start to happen in earnest, but when you do get there, it was so worth it in my opinion. Why 5 to 6 games? To likely explore everything you can do! To name Council Members weird things! To expand the map so that more things can happen! Take your pick. But you really do need to explore everything in this game to get a good idea of what is going on with it. And that is what this game gives you. It's kind of like an uneasy but perfect fit in a relationship. Kind of testing the waters at first. Maybe an exciting date here or there, but then you get to know each other better. And you want to hang out more. And you want to get to know each other even betterer. That, in a nutshell, is our experience with Seafall.

[@TheSteven00]

Siiic wheelie at 1:40

[@AMPhibian707]

These guys make the best video reviews of games, imo.

[@D_veraz]

Agree.

[@Kraigon42]

Board Game Society Why would I want them shorter? No offense, but for me, that's not a selling point.

[@rustyhardy5371]

Indeed. Pretentious twats that they are. Lol

[@Loki61642]

Great review! Said a lot that I hadn't heard before, deflated my hype balloon a bit, but gave a few good points to mull over before grabbing people to play. Thanks for a well thought out piece, keep it up!

[@MissFunnyBunneh]

"are you leaking below decks" omw I'm dying

[@christianmadcow3018]

This Video made my tuesday. Thanks Quinn. The Slow and pretentous Walk through the Museum was hilareous.

[@eugenb.8448]

This is the best review of a game I've ever seen. You can see the anguish and despair Quinns has in terms of how to review a game he obviously doesn't like that much, if at all. And yet it was a game he so wants to like, yet can't. And then he goes and fills the review with commentary that makes you smile and question whether you should even attempt this game. Is it worth your time? But in the telling Quinns may well have defined what it takes for a Legacy game to work: it has to have a solid game that you're engaged with at some level to start with. Trying to ramp up is death. You can't get people engaged, especially not today when so many other games are screaming for attention, with a game that starts out so slowly and then seems to get bogged down in AP to boot. In the end I think Armus said it best (see below).

[@darksim1930]

This was my experience with Ghost Stories. I had heard great things about it and was already very interested, and then I got it. I played it twice and had to go digging online to find out if there was something I'd missed. I have never played it again, but I still go back sometimes trying to figure out why something so promising ended up falling so flat for me. I see people complaining that the beginner mode is still too difficult - which was my experience - and people arguing the point by saying that if they (a beginner, mind) had just chosen the one optimal setup out of 16 possibilities and then played the game in an optimal way WHILE admitting that that way is highly unintuitive AND if they'd just enjoyed getting dealt punishing failures then they would have a CHANCE of winning (on the beginner difficulty!) and the game would be perfect.

[@zmann4444]

My group is 6 games in and we feel the same way. We keep asking if we are having fun after the games.

[@DickmanComedy]

5:43 "In case you are hungover..." "HUNGOVER WOT?"

[@masterbuilder7577]

Lmfaoo, I can't imagine recording these around random people in public, props to him for the confidence

[@mmanningb]

The most entertaining and enlightening board game review that I have seen in some time from any reviewer. While several other reviewers have given similar impressions of the doldrum of the grind of Seafall, I felt like this video gave a better impression of exactly what was going on and why ... and did so with flare. Liked and subscribed.

[@the.nikkoman]

"are you leaking below decks?"

[@MegaWestWolf]

Great review! My group was on the fence about playing this game, feeling that we have played Merchants & Marauders enough to wonder if we really wanted what seemed like a legacy style version of it. We all also HATE when we play a game and it ends right as you start to get your engine into gear...so we may have just avoided a major bullet thanks to this review. I'll probably just save the $80 and just have "Merchants & Marauders" going on one table, and "Tales of Arabian Nights" going on the other, switching tables every 30 minutes.

[@D_veraz]

Wow i loved that final advice! I was thinking about that as i watched the review :)

[@MisterChris1978]

This seems to be the general experience with many players and reviewers. They just stopped half way through, never finishing the game

[@Majdi.J]

yet another excellent review. thank you.

[@veerchasm1]

"Pretentious Twat" classic!😄

[@DatScharger64]

This would SO MUCH profit from a digital adaption.

[@TheJaredtheJaredlong]

Feels like a lot of these legacy / euro / big box games would be so much easier to play, and probably more fun for a wider audience, if they were digitized. TVs, home wifi, and smart phones are ubiquitous now, you could easily have the main board on the tv, player boards on their phones, and have them all coordinate with each other.

[@DatScharger64]

@@TheJaredtheJaredlong Do the creators even get a share from sold digital versions? I really enjoy Scythe on Steam, especially since the game itself provides a good tutorial and does the whole bookkeeping itself. But I wouldn't buy a physical copy of it, only because I'm bad at remembering rules, explaining and bookkeeping. And then the effort to set the game up. :( A digital version of Arkham Horror would be an instant buy for me.

[@Nesuniken]

@@DatScharger64 If the game is their intellectual property, they can sell it to game developers for whatever they feel is reasonable.

[@cmcrisp42]

@@DatScharger64 Scythe is getting direct compensation from their digital versions, Tabletop simulator, and stand alone. Gloomhaven also is being developed and is currently in early access on steam, being developed by the game designer's company. They are enjoying the financial benefits of having more more players buying their games, exposure to more players that will go on to buy the physical version.

[@lukefisher7600]

1:15 Oh my god, you made me laugh out loud at work. Hit that nail on the head haha!

[@bradansworld5576]

Love the costumes and documentary style review! We know a thing or two about that :) . The thing the public should be aware of with game designing is that it's a very subjective field, so developers are trying to be as unique as possible and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes this leads to games becoming more mechanically challenge and as a result the fun factor isn't always balanced with an effort to make the game stand out.

[@photoshopafficionado]

brilliantly done great wrap up at the end

[@wvb93]

You should make a video review of the game, similar to the single evening you recommended us to have. Going through the game bit by bit in detail.

[@polischristodoulou4357]

Hey man..love your reviews, thorough and honest.So do you sell your copy of Seafall? ;)

[@pragyatfutela]

The review i have been waiting for...waiting for scythe too tho!!

[@chevi_to]

Had the same feeling. Not even 4x, probably 3.5x (since there is no actual exterminate). I was expecting using more the mechs to actual combat and not for moving workers around!

[@Tetsuo2k]

YES Scythe next would be great.

[@AndyVandercoy]

I've been having a lot of fun with Scythe. Solo and 4 player counts. The artwork, point creating, and miniatures really feel thematic to me with some of the events. I do like point salady games though. A good Russian railroad for me any day. For a real 4x feel STAR TREK ASCENDANCY holy crap! Can't wait for that review! But yeah it is a lot of fun with interesting paths to go in Scythe.

[@rondomane]

This review was incredible, what a charming fellow.

[@joaorobalophoto]

You guys are amazing. Can i ask you if you can review blood bowl board game. Thanks

[@goodlookingcorpse]

I don't think I could ever own a legacy game--it'd feel like vandalism.

[@picanteesteban4020]

James Hutchings I bought a copy and copied all of the stickers onto removable sticker sheets, like sticky note adhesive, so I could peel everything off after we finished. I could never actually write on the game itself :(

[@proudhug]

Is it vandalism when you paint minis? Or break pieces of a model off sprues? Some items you buy require making irreversible changes to their condition in order to use them properly.

[@SeraphimKnight]

5:24 "Seitou Kaichou" lelelel

[@abacadian]

Finding time to play a legacy game is sadly something which is currently beyond me. My friends are currently very scattered since leaving university and I haven't formed another regular group yet. We still meet up to play, but it's irregular and we normally have a bunch of new things we've aquired and want to try when we meet up. I'd love to see a play through of a legacy game with susd and friends though. Cool ghost's subterfuge diaries were one of my favourite things I've seen on youtube and seeing something similar for a legacy game would be excellent. I would definitely watch a spoilers included, after action report next time the susd down guys are playing a legacy game.

[@Joisey11]

"Are you leaking below decks?" Hilarious!

[@TheFurryMoon]

11:27 in and you made me hit pause and go and make a cuppa.

[@b1ffd]

You had me at "not just because I'm a pretentious twat."

[@fabiopbb]

About writing quality... I strongly suggest a computer game called Sunless Sea. It has a strong board game vibe, very narrative, incredibly atmospheric and a fantastic writing.

[@pauldubois0]

Quinns' partner's partner wrote for Sunless Sea

[@cpmenninga]

Best su review I’ve seen so far. ALL characters named Quinns. That’s what you can do if you play it alone. Like Being Quinns Malkovich.

[@Greendelana]

we are on game 5 now. i am really enjoying it so far. I agree with the weaknesses he mentions but they don't outweigh the good in my option. there also is a huge advantage to winning a game but an almost equally disadvantage if you do not plan out your strategy if you are going to win. it can be a little complicated.

[@Greendelana]

starts out slow, but gets quicker.

[@NuisanceMan]

You two really need to lobby Parliament to pass the "Trumpeter Homicide Legalization Act."

[@sirus976]

Why do you crush our dreams Everytime lmao, it starts off so good then Quinton slams us with the bad stuff

[@cifro]

2:30 The Windmaster's name is Onara, which means "fart" in Japanese

[@sambarris9843]

Great review! And two games in, it sums up my own impressions so far. I love the whole Age of Sail meets Lovecraft vibe, but last night I had to discard half the night's work one turn before it was to bear fruit just because someone hit the magic glory number. If they had some sort of postgame mechanic to translate some of that into glory so it wasn't a total waste, that would be fine (one glory for every ten unspent gold, for example). But making me just throw it all away with nothing to show for it is another thing entirely from a standpoint of how I want to spend a dozen or so of my finite evenings on Earth.

[@svenhastire6024]

Great review!

[@julionovais6225]

Here in Brazil, this game is VERY expansive...so i can't see the point in have a game that encourages me to rip my cards, use pen to mark things, and sticky all kinds of stuff permanently... Even if i like the game, and finished it all, how can i start it again with new friends, make new choices? I Understand the legacy concept...but, why not play RPG instead? I'll save money for when Scythe comes up here.

[@matthewjeffery3686]

Oh, the puns... although “leaking belowdecks” might be part of my commonly used phrases, sadly...

[@bensonprice4027]

Game must be bad if at the end he recommends to not play it and just buy it to read the rules and scenarios. I've played it. It's frustrating at best and absolutely mind numbingly slow at it's worse. I played with three players and we only made it about 8 game sessions

[@jrggolder]

Well done, as always.

[@z-beeblebrox]

1:44 and in the background, the old lady gets up to do just that

[@sonofthefakegod]

Dude you are the alton brown of board games.

[@the.nikkoman]

will you do a review of cry havoc?

[@mystemo1980]

Awesome review. Had me in stitches. Such a shame is also aligns with The Dice Tower too for the fate of this game. I'm gonna hit subscribe, if only, for the accent :)

[@SquaredbyX]

Haha it only took me a few months to realize that at 1:00 you said "Sea-crets"

[@grotriansteinweg3823]

That's Trinity College of Music. Amazing when I stumble upon a random video that showcases where I spent 4 years of my life.

[@pitxu]

You are very unforgoving with games. And I think that's a good thing, even if I like games you don't recommend. I like seeing reviewer that are more critical than me.

[@MrTombombodil]

they also don't reccomend lots of games the like and think are good. They don't often review games the think are bad. They do have a very high bar for the badge and that makes it valuable

[@occlinkn]

Cancelled my preorder because of this and the dice tower. Waited what, five years for this game? Sad times indeed.

[@themris]

We're 7 games in and are having a blast. I guess like with any game, it is not for everyone. The reviewers are all so down on this game, but literally every person in my seafall group is super excited about every upcoming session. I think the payoff is there. Every chest opened so far has enhanced the experience in a way that a game couldn't do if all options were available form the start.

[@WesMontrose]

So... how have you guys not done a let's play of Spyfall yet? Also, a follow-up question, can you do a Spyfall let's play?

[@davedogge2280]

I'm so glad I put the breaks on this one and did not pre-order.

[@mrfikss]

Thanks so much for talking me out of this game.

[@thiagocarescantano6715]

I have a question, in Pandemic Legacy, after you finish the game you can play the regular pandemic right? And Seafall have some sort of regular game to play after finishing the campaign?

[@gianninilogan]

Quinstantinople. *chuckles softly to self*

[@danielsteadman8590]

What annoyed me is that I got a huge engine working, kind of won or came close to winning most games and was then beat out by a mechanic someone else unlocked right at the end. Making everything I had agonised over for a couple of months of game play fairly pointless...

[@sethduffey9538]

Excellent

[@cutthr0atjake]

Without goving anything away, would it work if you played it with only 2 people (Perhaps running 2 'players' each)?

[@DyrianLightbringer]

If you're actually peeling off and placing stickers to mark permanent changes to the game, what do you do when you finish the campaign and want to start a new one, or just decide you want to sell it? It seems like the game would be unplayable a second time.

[@estabansidhe]

Alas it is completely unreplayable, I tried keeping track, and it genuienly can't be done. Still a remarkable game, I've bought a second box so I can play through with a different group of friends.

[@Razorgirl]

Supposedly it becomes a permanent board that you can use to play a new, different (non-legacy?) version of the game. So there’s two games: the legacy version that you play to create the board, and then the version you play once the game board is set up. I don’t know how much/little of the story is part of the second game. Given the story is what I find the most interesting, I’m not sure how much (little?) that second game will appeal.

[@robertknight3776]

The thing is this game is a lot of fun, it's just not for everyone. It's slow, it's fairly clunky, and it's down right frustrating sometimes. But if you're willing to get into it, if it's the type of game for you, it's AMAZING.

[@Lucky_Red_Fish]

I hate putting stickers on games and what's worse is tearing up components .

[@RiverRaidFleetCapt]

Best review ever

[@cardboarddiscovery8697]

With as cheap as this game has become I may just have to do his suggestion at the end. Heck, the board might make a great mat to play Pirates of the Spanish main on as a bonus.

[@Greamzih]

This video did more to make me visit London than to buy the game.

[@AndyVandercoy]

Buying this as a board game design study is a good idea in the same vein as using 504 to figure out how the hell that crazy green haired man does anything! I believe there is a lot to learn and realize how to approach a legacy system as a designer OR a rich kid collector of board games that will hang SeaFall lovingly on the wall next to oil painting of a boat. As for game play goes... if a game takes me 7 or 8 long games to get a bit of fun out of it, then clearly it was acting out creating a feeling in me of passing time on an actual ship across the sea, and then falling asleep sick to my stomach because of too much rum. Does Rum makes this game better!? Libertalia certainly so! Anyway, if this was the idea then good job I guess? Give me cliff hangers, interesting stories, characters, cool mini's of cave's or something and then add in all that good multiple mechanic stuff to build an engine, and very importantly DON'T you dare take away my progress so far of things I collected or whatever (not sure if SeaFall does this or not). Hoped for better but thanks for the review~!!!! Time to die my hair green and design something weird

[@TheClassicWorld]

When you realise that, this entire time, people were intentionally walking really slow in documentaries. How did I not notice that before... I just never thought about it, I guess.

[@TheClassicWorld]

'Not 8, but 6', hahaha. This guy.

[@bobgabriels8456]

I am still wondering if the legacy-mechanic fundamentally works better with a co-op.

[@alwaysfallingshort]

All of the art school jokes gave me outloud belly laughs. My gut actually hurts.

[@Daktangle]

Seeing this again in 2021, getting to 14:13 and I wonder if Seafall would have been better as two releases: Seafall, and then later Seafall - Legacy. As Quinns says both Risk and Pandemic were tried and tested games that had legacy mechanics added to them. Seafall was made from the ground up as a legacy game and seems to have suffered for it.

[@maremaarten]

It is beautiful!

[@JoeRobson]

Onara the Wind Master. Nice.

[@randym5824]

I really want to get into a legacy game--I don't object to the limited playability of it or lack of resale. It just has to be good, fun out of the box. If you're buying this, you are familiar with complex games and don't need the slow roll!

[@willscurran]

I love Legacy games and really really wanted to love this game. However. First, this game is worse than Monopoly in terms of game mechanics that reward screwing over other players. This is not a fun game with anyone you need to speak with for the days after the game. Secondly, it is terribly imbalanced. Winners are rewarded with compounding abilities and starting resources into future games, making it frustrating for anyone who doesn't win the first 2-3 games, AND then later in the game there is a weird counter balance mechanism that is an obvious attempt to fix imbalance. AVOID.

[@MarcBurrage]

How very grown up! I think this is what I expected - its almost like Rob had to start again and his first solo legacy game was likely to be flawed. As you say Mr Quinns games like this are so essential to board game evolution but you know they'll inspire others (and Rob) to make better games in the future. But I'm not buying this one..

[@oliverizzard8751]

Aaaah do not like the idea of writing all over a game with marker ....

[@jadenthegamer7763]

did you know that there is a secret packet in risk legacy under the plastic thing that holds the pieces?

[@Tetsuo2k]

Saved me the buy it looks like. If you guys don't even want to finish it..... well that is about as damning as it gets.

[@ArabKatib]

Thank you.

[@rcicci]

Well... my gaming friends and I pitched in and preordered this game. This review now has me worried.

[@AlwaysAmazingSlyWit]

He did say it was never bad, and you get at least two great twists. You still might find your money's worth of fun

[@rcicci]

+AlwaysAmazingSlyWit You are right. Here's hoping! I do know we will get out money's worth in real metal coinage.

[@pennywiserule5]

You'll have fun for sure. I wouldn't worry too much.

[@rcicci]

Here's hoping. My group's preorder arrived a week or two ago, with actual metal coinage--no, we don't care if we overpaid--and we cannot wait to dive in. Sorry for the pun.

[@Illyrien]

Its now 10 months later, how did it go?

[@markchapel]

At 15:18, (while watching the video completely alone) I literally said "wow" out loud. For these guys to not even finish the game (?!?!) is pretty definitive -- and very bad news for SeaFall. I was at Gen Con this year and saw envious looks thrown at the few who where toting around a copy of it on Thursday who were "lucky enough" to have snagged one of the very limited number of copies available. Now? Not so much. This is starting to look like a pretty big misstep for Plaid Hat and Rob Daviau.

[@WitcherWizard]

The Michael Woods of board games!

[@talloydevans]

Are you leaking below decks!?

[@searose6192]

Seafall is only $15 now.....I think it might be worth it....

[@TheMartinChronicles]

Did you get it? It's about$30 on Amazon now and I've heard that one can play solo and it's a lot of fun.

[@Sirlaven]

Ive recently been playing this game with a full party of 5. We're gearing up to play game 6, last night was 5. we play 1-2 times a week. My opinion so far is that it is a fun game that requires the players to be active as they play and especially between turns. We have a player that tends not to pay attention between turns, and when their turn comes they slowly put together what they want to do despite having 4 turns worth of time to think ahead, and this does drag the game down. There are a lot of small rules and numbers that are in play at all times; buy limits, sell limits, values of treasure and goods, what effect is in play, what advisors do i have; and more, on top of decisions such as do i explore, do i raid, to i buy or sell, should i keep ships together or separate. If you as a player cannot handle so many little things i dont really recommend this game, otherwise the game gets to be this large monster, rather than a night of fun board games. For those that like games that have multiple avenues to claim victory, dont mind all the little rules and numbers, and actively play i highly recommend the game.

[@chukim8012]

Hey bro what would you recommend to find serious board gamers? I find I cant find guys who are consistent to game night.

[@MattG-mw7zi]

My main concern with legacy games is the lack of replayability. Like, sure it's a lot of playtime but once it's over you can't play the first game or restart with a new group or similar

[@thegreyinitiate3680]

Matt G that’s exactly my concern as well. Why would I want to pay so much for a game that literally has a finite ending that once I reach, I’ll never be able to go back and undo. Seeing them draw on the board in permanent marker and rip cards in half gives me so much anxiety, there’s no way I could even try to play something like this.

[@kenadams2142]

Sounds like it has the hype of No Man's Sky. The thing is No Man's Sky was exactly what I thought it would be and I loved it. But I fear Seafall has been hyped to the point that people are expecting something that it's not.

[@Hedgehobbit]

His description of the choose-your-own-adventure sections reminded me of NMS as well. They seemed cool, but soon you realize that there's a very limited number of outcomes, both good and bad, and nothing will happen of any significance. At best you might get a new multi-tool or blueprint, at worst you'll get a tiny bit of damage.

[@SamPearman]

Hahaha "Onara the Wind Master". Fucking hell you guys.

[@user-ol7xj6qz7l]

I got this game for 19 euro, and so far we're having fun with it.

[@malkavian5]

What if you want to play another campaign, do you have to re-buy it? Is there a way to make it back to game 1?

[@davidandersson7642]

Not if you rip up the cards and draw all over the boards.

[@pennywiserule5]

Yep, it's a one time deal. Once you have finished it you can play it over and over in its final state though.

[@kevinalford]

Plus 100,000 points for Onara the wind master.

[@TentacleOne]

I guess I’m the minority when I say this game is brilliant and I really, really loved it. Never had a dull moment. Having a treacherous bunch of conniving players and a bit of roleplay helps.