Sean vs Preston Sprinkle: Preferred Pronouns

Got a big interview coming up Tuesday with Preston Sprinkle on 2 major cultural issues. Today, is a small clip from that interview about preferred pronouns.
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[@JacksonCaesar]

I work with a few people who prefer certain pronouns. I recall a time at work someone asked me if I had seen a coworker, I responded with 'he went that way.' Immediately I was corrected by someone saying "he doesn't use that pronoun." I apologized but then I gave it some thought... How can I do this without "offending" someone. I decided the best fix is to ONLY use their name. Therefore the next time this happens I will say, 'Cliff went that way.' As a result no one is offended by their name. DONE! Call them by their name.

[@hrvad]

You can work around it that way. Also you shouldn't have to apologize, especially not when it was a second hand "offense". I'm polite about it, and I do not create drama, but if someone ever plays the offense game with me, they'll discover my quite clear view of this craziness. Their tactic is to call people bigots, racists, etc until they control you and everything around it, and I am not having it. They may get offended, but why are their feelings more important than mine?

[@seeqr9]

They said “HE doesn’t use the pronoun ‘HE’”? 😂

[@mj6493]

@@hrvad You sound pretty bold there. What did you say when your HR department called you out?

[@HarryNicNicholas]

what do i call you though? poof? chile? sugar daddy, do you have a preferred way to be addressed or do you think anything at all is okay? christians have ZERO self awareness and you might be surprised but god can wait in line, humans have rights and god has to obey those rights too. and just a quick reminder that the first amendment conflicts with the first commandment "thou shalt worship whoever you want" so technically you can't be christian AND american.

[@gregolson7499]

You don't even have to use a pronoun or a name. Just say "That way".

[@AA-zx6nw]

I’m not a big fan of Preston’s subtle (or not so subtle) way of minimizing Sean’s view by stating “you and I both are not expert in linguistics,” as if someone has to be an expert in a particular field in order to develop a view or opinion about a certain topic. It’s simply a method to discredit someone. Just say you disagree brother, no need for the passive aggressive jabs.

[@StrateOutdoors]

I don't need a degree in linguistics to know when to say him or her. It's just sophistry

[@KRashad]

Exactly. We need to be doctorally dissertation-ed professional linguists to know what a man or woman is, now? Who knew?! 🤷

[@brandonbrown5821]

I agree 100%. This is simply Preston revealing who he appeals to on matters of authority. Not to God Who has already spoken on the matter, but to the “experts” whom he clearly places at a higher rank.

[@KRashad]

@@brandonbrown5821 and he also considers himself one of the “experts”, too

[@jasonlenz322]

Shrewd observation. The amount of insanity that the Western world--whether tacitly or explicitly--approves of as a consequence of the "Appeal to Authority" logical fallacy is well and truly staggering.

[@rustinhildebrand4658]

I disagree with Preston. I don’t think it’s inconsistent to use a person’s preferred name while also refusing to use a person’s preferred pronoun. Names are assigned by humans, typically parents. If someone wants to change their name I’ll call you whatever you want to be called. But gender is assigned by God. I have no right usurp God’s prerogative in what he has established. I’m not commanded to make a person unoffended, as much I never set out to offend, but I am commanded not to lie. This is why I refuse to use married titles like husband/wife to refer to this in common-law relationships.

[@midi510]

We always have the choice to be offended or not. There's literally nothing that could ever be said to me that would offend me. I simply choose to not be offended. I may not agree with what has been said, but can choose to not take offence. Being offended is a reaction and if and how we react to anything is always a choice. (We've just been trained, and trained ourselves, to react in certain ways to certain inputs.)

[@MrSeedi76]

What's so hard about "treating others as you would want to be treated"? Besides - once again, people ignore the fall and the biological reality that gender isn't binary.

[@RandyNathanYan]

I agree with preston

[@tarem4264]

Good answer.

[@tarem4264]

⁠@@MrSeedi76how is it a biological reality? Besides this is how I would like to be treated - with truth, not fantasy.

[@ParkerRRea]

Bro I wish every single discussion that contains disagreement, especially among Christians, would have this level of respect, clarity, and honesty. So many discussions with disagreement devolve into the participants getting irritated with each other and that becomes what is remembered from the conversations rather than the substance of the disagreements.

[@SeanMcDowell]

I am glad you found it helpful. You will enjoy the full two-hour one we release next week!

[@hephep7426]

I totally agree and if you notice that in general it's the Christians that can achieve this level of courtesy and respect in these difficult circumstances. Those opposing Christian truths are generally extremely hostile to hearing any viewpoint that does not agree with their own. This is also very evident in political discussions too.

[@alaskanbassethound]

He lost me @3:50. I never saw Jesus compromise or agree with the sin of the people he encountered.

[@garfieldbraithwaite8590]

Me too

[@MrSeedi76]

Is it a sin to be born blind or with a genetic defect?

[@hrvad]

Since Jesus is the truth, it's impossible to imagine him bowing to the Woke delusions.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@hrvad jesus is a lie, and stop making out he's coming back, he isn't, in fact he is fading out of existence pew polls, gallup and PRRI all agree that christianity will be gone within 100 years.

[@monkeybuttjon]

Jesus protecting the woman from being stoned would have been classified at the time of exactly what you just said

[@margaret3785]

If someone wants to lie to themselves, so be it. But, I will not lie to them.

[@richardpaggi9988]

Amen!!!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

that's what we think about your voodoo religion mate, so well said.

[@mtn231]

11:48 I’m not sure why one has to be an expert in linguistics to understand the distinction between male and female lol

[@jogsingumboots]

Linguist here. Gender in language and sexuality in the world are two different things. I can see that these two people haven’t had experience with gender in Langs other than English.

[@cpjds1]

@@jogsingumbootsHow many comments saying this do you plan on posting?

[@bethezebra]

"Did God REALLY say?" 🥱....satan is a legalist and a linguistic expert and wants us to be as well. 🤷🏿

[@mtn231]

@ reminds me of my pastor Joby Marten, with the emphasis on “DID God really say”?!

[@lisak1895]

Language is not a shared social space. It is how we tell lies and try to speak truth.

[@mcfarvo]

One does not need to be an expert in linguistics or biology to simply and plainly declare the truth that an adult human is either a man or a woman and we should speak the truth in love

[@HarryNicNicholas]

and what are you? can you define "man" or "woman" ? can you even define "god" or "christianity" cos last time i looked humans can't even define "life" so all this whining about people wanting to be what they want to be is just pettiness, you people doing your usual "i'm offended" and using god as an excuse, god was invented so you could bully people you hate on "it's not ME burning you at the stake, my god demands it" if you want to hate people OWN your hate and say you hate, don't hide behind you imaginary friend, cowards, that's christians, needy, insecure and cowardly, can't even admit to hating things just for the sake of hating. why is being trans a problem? your imaginary friend is the only one bothered, and frankly he can take a hoke - we have rights.

[@gilwaa]

I appreciate the respectful discussion. With that said, just because these gentlemen are being respectful to one another does not mean that both arguments are equally biblical or valid. There is truth, and His name is Jesus. Nowhere in Jesus’s ministry did He affirm lies to make people more comfortable; in fact, with the lawyers, he did the opposite (Luke 11:45). If what you call being loving requires me to lie and step outside of God, that’s not actually love, because God is love.

[@randscottadams490]

I can’t wait for the full interview. I think it may have been Ogden Nash who said, “Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out.” I think Preston is well intended, but in danger of having his brains fall out.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Let us know what you think of the full one!

[@bridgetgolubinski]

Looking forward to the full interview! Very grateful for Sean having this interaction and voicing the some of same pushback I had after reading Preston’s book Embodied

[@watchmen6504]

Man this is so hard to listen to. Preston is spending thousands of words in what could be said in a couple of brief sentences. This is what happens when we lend credibility to foolish ideas.

[@MrSeedi76]

Your mean like the foolish idea that we live in a fallen world - which explains all of this?

[@AKhardcore1]

Agreed, people need to stop platforming this clown.

[@purelightapologetics4930]

@@MrSeedi76 Yes, we live in a fallen world. We are all born sinful. This gender confusion is sin. Capitulating to it is also sin. What’s your point?

[@chrysanthemumfan214]

@@purelightapologetics4930 I'd love to know how, specifically (and I don't know if you're a man or not), Christian men who use pornography, yet refuse to use their trans-identifying child's pronouns because they are sinful, justify it. According to Georga Barna, a respected pollster, 54% of Christian men admitted they viewed pornography at least once a month. This is a scratching-an-itch type of sin. Someone who identifies as transgender has a true psychological crisis going on. Yes, they should ignore their conrfused thoughts and give them over to the Lordship of Christ. But how much more difficult to do this with a crisis of this type than with a scratch-the-itch type of sin that 54% of Christian men give into at LEAST monthly? How hard we come down on people with a true psychological crisis compared with how easily we let ourselves off the hook for our own sin. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone, is what our Lord said. I don't believe anyone is worthy to tell trans-identifying people what pronouns they should use for themselves until that person trying to tell them this has eliminated their own chronic sin that they won't give up.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@MrSeedi76 lol, funny that the master of the universe stands by and lets this world fall, you guys are the most dismal pessimists alive aren't you, on the one hand i;m supposed to worship the majesty of god's creation and the next the planet is going down the toilet, can you make your mind up, is god the almighty or does my sin trump him?

[@stapley819]

I agree with your take, Sean, as opposed to what Preston proposes. Thanks for this video! God bless 🙏

[@rbrainsop1]

Thank you for this, Sean! We need to have more conversations like this, where people on both sides of an issue can calmly and respectfully explain their reasons. Too much of the discourse nowadays is one person expounding on their own position and all the reasons they think the other side is wrong, with no chance for pushback or rebuttal. But this allows the audience to wrestle with the issues on our own, with our bibles and prayer, but also (hopefully) to have a more respectful and less dismissive view of those who disagree with us. Unfortunately, some in this comment section clearly haven't come away with that result, but that's no fault of yours!

[@stevenbutler3708]

Yeah it's not about agreement or disagreement it's about telling the truth or lying. We should be more concerned about what God thinks about lying than what somebody that's mentally ill thinks.

[@midi510]

Yeah, why enable and confirm mental illness and any associated perspective?

[@MrSeedi76]

It's not mental illness. It's a biological reality that gender isn't binary. Go educate yourself before judging people. And using preferred pronouns isn't even a question for a follower of Christ. Matthew 7:12 KJV [12] Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

[@micahbucy6855]

We should be more concerned about winning souls to Christ than about being right. If Paul can become all things to all people, we can too. Trans people would be included in the "all people" of that verse.

[@stevenbutler3708]

@micahbucy6855 Paul did not become a thief or a liar or engage in any other sin that you can think of to win souls. You're taking that verse out of context. Context is king only second to Jesus.

[@micahbucy6855]

@@stevenbutler3708 pronouns can refer to gender, not just sex. Gender and sex are not the same thing. If someone identifies as transgender, to use their preferred pronouns in hospitality is not lying, it is being gracious. To refuse is like inviting a Jew over for dinner then serving pork because you want to show them that they are no longer under the law. Being right is not worth destroying your witness.

[@paulajames6149]

I know Sprinkle is a controversial person. Lots of people have spoken against his theology. I definitely disagree with him on certain issues, this being one of them. When I watch his interviews, he is a very likable and thoughtful guy. Maybe that is what makes it more dangerous.

[@RUNTY_OW]

While people do have traits of being more likable or presenting themselves very well in public, its more important to engage and look into their ideas (Good or Bad) instead of using their likeable presentation traits in public. This comment can be an example of poisoning the well for newer viewers before they even actually understand or try to pick apart Preston's ideas.

[@MrSeedi76]

What's dangerous is when we ignore the reality of the fallen world of which being trans is a part. It's not a choice, it's not against "biology". Why would anyone listen to 2 theologians misrepresenting biology and the Bible? BTW - do people believe that a person who's born blind should remain so, because God made them blind, even when there is a chance to heal the blindness?

[@paulajames6149]

@ I am not giving him merit. I don’t agree with his ideas/theology.

[@paulajames6149]

@ I am not giving him merit. I don’t agree with his ideas/theology.

[@BATTY3459]

I think so, yes. He weaponizes his likability when he attacks the likes of Rosaria Butterfield and Jared Moore for calling out his heresy by accusing them of lying and slander.

[@CollinBoSmith]

I wonder if someone identified as a Christian but followed none Jesus’ teachings, if Preston would affirm the term over them with the same logic?

[@MrSeedi76]

People who don't treat others as they would want to be treated definitely don't follow Christ. And none of these two theologians obviously has a clue about the biological realities of the fallen creation we live in. Too bad.

[@jamesrudd3214]

This guy is speaking in circles

[@MichaelGreen-hk3mx]

That’s what he does. His own words disqualify him from ministry

[@jamesrudd3214]

@@MichaelGreen-hk3mx that’s right brother

[@HarryNicNicholas]

so does mccdowel. define "life" for me and then maybe you can moan about pronouns. define god and christianity while you're at it cos last time i looked there were 10,000 version of "christian". and here you are moaning about people you probably never met. you make me puke, just come out and say it, you hate people and use god as an excuse to hate.cowards, that's how i see christians. insecure, needy and cowardly. hiding behind your imaginary friend. thank god your voodoo is on the way out.

[@edcroteau3237]

Sean, your friend Rosario Butterfield does an excellent job explaining why she does not use preferred pronouns from a strictly biblical perspective. She'd be great to have back on to explain.

[@SeanMcDowell]

She is a friend. I actually had her on twice to discuss these kinds of issues and will certainly have her back in due time.

[@codydupont3000]

It’s simple: Either tell them you do not want to lie to them, because you love them, and am only comfortable using appropriate pronouns OR use their name and don’t use pronouns at all.

[@angelfebus1732]

Words are used to describe reality. Words are used to share ideas. Words are used to tell stories. Words are used to tell lies. Which is served when one individual refers to another individual by a pronoun?

[@Jupiter862]

But don’t pretend that one couldn’t continue that list… Words are used to draw boundaries. Words are used to show care. If person A uses preferred pronouns of person B, they could be aiming at using words to show care. If they don’t use preferred pronouns they may be risking drawing boundaries.

[@purelightapologetics4930]

@@Jupiter862 Drawing boundaries can be a very good and healthy thing. You can also show care by not capitulating to lies because lies hurt people.

[@angelfebus1732]

No this list couldn’t continue without limits unless it’s not a list of categories but a ridiculous task of the very specific (as opposed to categorical) use of words. “Boundaries” isn’t a new category. It’s a product of the first two. “Care” or any other sentiment could be encapsulated in sharing ideas (ie thoughts). But I could see conveying sentiments as its own category. Adopting a normative practice of lying about reality to appease a mental issue is only destructive of the boundaries of reality.

[@micheletisdale_HHWF]

When in doubt, mimic Sloth. "Hey you guys!" 😄

[@michaelbabbitt3837]

Arguing about this is stupid. Preferred pronouns is moronic.Period.

[@MrSeedi76]

So you probably also think that "treating others as you would want to be treated" is moronic?

[@bethezebra]

Telling the truth in love is how I want to be treated, not lied to and affirmed in mental delusions. 🤷🏿 EVERY time I use biologically correct pronouns, I'm following Objective Truth AND the Golden Rule. 🎉❤️ Which = loving God and my neighbor as myself. 🔥

[@nathandavid5886]

@@MrSeedi76 Refusing to use someone's pronouns is, for me, treating others as I would want to be treated. The idea of prescribing for others how they should refer to you when you are not even in their presence is narcissistic. If I ever make such an unreasonable demand of someone else, I hope there will be someone to compassionately explain to me why they are refusing to be bullied into acquiescing.

[@AKhardcore1]

@@nathandavid5886 Excellent response. We, as those who know God, would desire that if we were unbelievers demanding others capitulate to ungodliness(lying in this case) would refuse to do so and share the gospel with us.

[@radscorpion8]

@@nathandavid5886 But outside of all this, imagine if there were a man in your office, and you called that man a "she". Then it might be confusing to others, and if that co-worker ever caught wind of it he might be slightly offended. I'm a man and I know I would be slightly confused and only slightly offended if someone called me a woman. And if you did it repeatedly while in their presence, then they would only grow more and more irate about it. So I don't even think its fair to call this a demand, this is just a kind of common courtesy we extend to each other in all social situations, that we describe each other as we are. So now the idea is you just extend that to people who have these sorts of gender dysphoria issues. That even though they look male/female they may identify as something you don't expect. It can be really challenging for people to accept this kind of idea. Many think its nonsense, that there is no such thing as a gender identity. Or that participating in it is part of the problem because its further enabling a kind of mental disorder that they need to "grow out of". But trans people definitely exist. There are many studies on them; we know for a fact that people can be born in a body they don't identify with. So out of respect for their internal gender, we use the appropriate pronoun to designate what they feel they truly are. When I understand the scientific facts on this issue, my feelings of resistance drop and I feel much happier about acquiescing to their request. The same thing can be true for nonbinary individuals. Now I agree at some point it might be hard to really believe, and you're not really sure if they genuinely have this identity or maybe they really do just need some kind of psychological counselling. For example with people who identify as "deerkin" or as other races (even just different skin color). I think there are reasonable limits somewhere, where you should be allowed to reject a pronoun if its too outlandish, because at that point you really are feeding into a mental disorder :P.

[@morgspnc]

I love Preston and agree. He can sometimes be unclear but he’s having the conversations with LGBT people. It’s not just about an issue, it’s about the people.

[@robertguidry2168]

Yes, but misleading them about what you believe by calling someone who is not a he a he is manipulative

[@morgspnc]

@ There’s not a one size fits all answer to this question. It depends on context and relationship.

[@ronm1837]

How many lgbt people has Preston led to the Lord....did they repent and conform themselves to the truth....that's what I would look at as to reaching out to this community...I think you know the answer to that.....

[@morgspnc]

@ A lot of people, probably more than you because he has relationships with them.

[@ISayToMyself]

I know one thing, I’m not calling a person a “they”. One person is not a they or zhe or xhe.

[@MrSeedi76]

So you admit that you don't want to follow the golden rule which Jesus said is "the law and the prophets"? But you call yourself after His name? Interesting. A lot of things about American Christianity become quite clear in the comment section of this video.

[@michaelhudson6359]

​​@@MrSeedi76Jesus said the greatest commandment was to love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, etc which necessarily involves obeying Him and telling the truth to our neighbours. He commands us to love one another which would entail being open, friendly and kind and not putting any obstacles in the way of someone who doesn't yet know Jesus. But doesn't going along with the falsehood only create more confusion in society especially for youngsters as they're growing up? Why are we calling someone she when they are a man? One of the great blessings of God is we don't have to create ourselves or figure out ourselves from scratch. It's a given (from God) we don't have to make ourselves He just makes us men and women and it's a blessing that we can't change that.

[@bethezebra]

@@ISayToMyself one person CAN ABSOLUTELY be a "they." Remember the demoniac with an entire Legion of demons inside him. "We are Legion, we are many."

[@bethezebra]

@MrSeed....Also, not lying IS practicing the Golden Rule. And you admit you don't want to follow His directive to "go and sin no more." But you call yourself after His name? Calling evil good and good evil. And using the words of Jesus to do it? ASTOUNDING. Thanks for revealing yourself.

[@groganz5221]

I do not trust Preston Sprinkle. A hard no on using preferred pronouns.

[@MrSeedi76]

So "treating others as you would want to be treated" isn't to your liking? Maybe you should find a different religion then and stop calling yourself Christian if you don't want to follow His commandments.

[@TheClementine21]

As a Christian Preston frustrates me so much. His use of words, his straddling issues, etc. Not sure why he’s held in such high esteem

[@nataliarose2073]

Me neither. The way he expresses himself is so confusing and I always feel like he operates from a spirit of deception.

[@debbydoodler33]

I really appreciate how nuanced Preston is in his takes on many controversial topics - he thinks deeply, not only from a theological perspective but also from a practical, relational perspective. He's not dogmatic either - he welcomes discussion and the opportunity to be challenged to explain or even reconsider his position. Looking forward to the whole interview 😊

[@wnorwood1]

Same!

[@gtf5392]

Could you explain what you mean by ‘nuanced’?

[@debbydoodler33]

@@gtf5392 Sure. I use "nuanced" here to mean considering an issue from different angles, taking into consideration a number of relevant factors, and trying to address the "what about x?" questions that might arise when explaining one's position on something.

[@gtf5392]

@debbydoodler33 - thanks for the clarification. I guess, for me, if someone presents themself as a Christian theologian, the main source I would like to see them drawing from is the Bible, and the main angle I’d like to see them consider an issue from, is the Biblical angle. I’ve noticed in some cases, not all, that the word ‘nuance’ is used as a bridge when someone wants to deviate from what the Bible has to say. I’m hoping in the full interview, that he maybe will touch on the scriptural basis behind his views and opinions. Otherwise, I have to remain very cautious about what he is saying.

[@adawnsevolution]

Sean makes the most sense. You can’t use pronouns without affirming a gender identity ideology. Same reason I don’t affirm Muhammad as a prophet in my language…

[@jamesrudd3214]

Just speak truth in love and let God be The One Who captures, woos, and calls the heart of an individual. For this IS His way of communicating. We need NOT worry or fearing if we offend someone ( not really because we love them) but we want to be liked and not be hated for speaking.

[@MrSeedi76]

We need not worry if we offend? The Bible disagrees with you. Romans 12:18 KJV [18] If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

[@murugindungu5643]

@@MrSeedi76In this generation it is impossible. Notice Paul says ‘If possible’. Not at all times. If living peaceably would lead one to live a life of sin, then that’s not a possibility I believe Paul would have been okay with. He also says to ‘expose the fruitless works of darkness’ in Ephesians 5:11. Speaking against DEI and the gender ideology being perpetuated is doing exactly that. And best believe most people will get offended. So live peaceably where possible, if not, expose the darkness. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot overcome it. John 1:5

[@KRashad]

It’s very curious that Christians can take such a light, subjective, fluid approach to the power of words and linguistics when we are those who believe that God SPOKE the whole of the cosmos into existence with words. That same God also exhorts that life and death and reside in the power of our words, and that every idle word of man will be held accountable-but we’re supposed to read a permissibility and subjectivism into it to suit our “missiological” tastes at the expense of the truth? Very curious indeed. Discernment is so necessary.

[@DerMelodist]

What he gives with the right hand he takes from the left. Though he and Sean agree with the words of Genesis 1:27 and what the proper interpretation of that is, he then takes it away by adhering to the complexity of language and words.

[@mcfarvo]

We should not lie or affirm a lie to appear more loving; rather, we should be truly loving by boldly proclaiming the truth in obedience to God, not kneeling down before Man/Satanic lies.

[@wedream2]

Announcing one's preferred pronouns seems odd, almost narcissistic. My response to someone who does this would be, "Well those are 3rd person pronouns, and I'm not talking about you. I'm talking to you.

[@haxguy0]

I don't see a problem with what Preston is saying. Whether you agree or disagree, we need to discuss like Sean and Preston.

[@EllieRose-pe7mu]

This helped me understand Preston's view which i really appreciate. I very much agree with Sean. Look forward to the whole conversation.

[@dulcelopez5454]

Wow, Sean's response is brilliant. I had never thought of it like that

[@titosantiago3694]

Hey Sean, could you review the new Upside Down Kingdom Study Bible that Preston is involved with? I've heard that its articles regarding lgbtq+ lifestyle are controversial.

[@littleboots9800]

Mike Winger just reviewed it last night.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Not sure I will have time, but Mike Winger did a lengthy one. Anyone else seen any reviews that may be helpful?

[@geraldbritton8118]

Does everybody miss the obvious? You only use pronouns when you're talking about one person to a third party. That one person has no right to attempt to control your speech when they're not there.

[@Danybella]

"You only use pronouns when you're talking about one person to a third party." Most of the time, but not always.

[@geraldbritton8118]

@Danybella well, I grew up learning that is impolite to refer to someone in the third person when they are present. We ought to either use their name (3rd person) or "you"(2nd person).

[@gtf5392]

I think the thing to watch for in these types of interviews is: Does the interviewee have their Bible out and are they frequently referencing scripture or are they more talking off the top of their head? If it’s the latter, they are likely leaning on their own understanding rather than on God’s word as a basis for their viewpoints. I realize this is just a short clip, so I’ll be interested to see the full interview to help discern whether there is a biblical basis for the arguments being made.

[@ceciliadunn7848]

Perfectly and beautifully said by Sean! Preston is trying his hardest (maybe unknowingly) to push this to the limits to make accommodations to use incorrect pronouns. So sad! Preston is in my prayers, because with the platform that he has, he can potentially lead many people astray. The more we make concessions for worldly language and ideology, the further we get from God and biblical truths. 🙏🏾

[@thesocialapologist]

Preston forgot 2 Corinthians 10:5 - “We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”

[@S1leNtRIP]

I appreciate you finally having Preston on after giving a voice to so many who have slandered him so spuriously for so long. I’m excited to see your conversations and how you find common ground on so many important christian topics!

[@Wesstuntube]

If by slandered you mean "described him accurately." What exactly has been spoken of Preston on Sean's platform that was untrue?

[@S1leNtRIP]

@@Wesstuntube Sean's interview with Rosaria butterfield was so full of lies and slander. They ascribed many positions to Preston that he does not hold and has never stated. And they were said in very unloving and un-christlike ways. It was unbecoming of christian brotherhood and deserves Rosaria's deepest repentance.

[@RandyNathanYan]

​@@S1leNtRIPi agree with you

[@RandyNathanYan]

​@@Wesstuntubei disagree with you

[@littleboots9800]

He's spoken to him before.

[@MichaelGreen-hk3mx]

So he believes the truth but doesn’t have the courage to speak it. Good stuff.

[@Geletin911]

rise of the betas

[@bler1890]

7:00 Seans example of gendered languages demonstrates the opposite point: A table in Spanish is gendered female (la mesa), but there is absolutely nothing inherently gendered about a table. It’s an arbitrary designation based on the etymology of each word. We as a society could change that gendered designation or remove it all together as deem necessary by our culture.

[@roberthunter124]

They/them both gave us lots to think carefully about 😊

[@jogsingumboots]

I’m a middle aged woman, I’m not trans. People keep referring to me as ‘he/him’ because I have to use equipment for walking support that apparently makes me look masculine. I wish people would use my pronouns of she/her. It would also be great if people talked to me directly and not to my friends about me as if I’m invisible. I’m also a Linguist and this conversation would benefit from someone talking about Language who knows what they are talking about. Gender in language is very different to biology and sexuality.

[@MrSeedi76]

None of these two know what they're talking about because they're not biologists or psychologists.

[@bethezebra]

I'm sorry that happens to you. The world is a fallen place. One day we will have the ability to experience what it's like to be fully known. ❤️.

[@Kevin-gt9yq]

​@@MrSeedi76that is a worthless argument, a fallacy actually

[@megofiachra3247]

@MrSeedi Lol nice one.

[@Kevin-gt9yq]

@@MrSeedi76 Oh shoot, was that a reference to Judge Jackson? LOL...not sure I know the psychologist reference though

[@keepclimbing15]

In which Preston twists himself in knots in order to be nice.

[@PacificNWesty]

“Mark” and “avoid.” Clearly he’s causing “division” and “offense.” Marking and avoiding is a much softer approach than what we used to do to false prophets in the Old Testament.

[@JordanSchaeffer]

I love Preston, looking forward to the whole interview!

[@mtn231]

4:17 I use the persons name that’s it.

[@TSis76]

Yes

[@midi510]

Yeah, I've never been in this situation, but would just avoid using pronouns at all.

[@carolinaherreradeangulo6087]

So, I work as an over-the-phone interpreter and one of our clients demands us to ask for preferred pronouns, which I never comply because to be honest, I don't have time for that. If I hear a male voice I will address this person as "sir" and that'll be it. I know this might be a challange when interacting with someone who makes a big deal out of this on a regular basis, but still, I wouldn't use preferred pronouns.

[@thesocialapologist]

Affirming a distorted worldview, regardless of linguistic gymnastics, is not something we as Christians should do. Romans 12:2 - “Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.”

[@YuGiOhDuelChannel]

For me "pronouns" are by design suppose to be an internal precieved perception of how we see other, it is not something we ask about others, it is a perception of others, like height. Names are not a perception, no name pops into my head when I see other, it something that is not perceptable. I need to be told a person's name.

[@thesocialapologist]

“Language morphs with culture” is exactly the reason you should therefore not affirm one’s pronouns, because the vast majority of culture disagrees with this movement on pronouns and linguistic flexibility.

[@dulcelopez5454]

I think this conversation brings up REALLY important issues that we should be thinking more deeply about. Linguists I know are divided when it comes to language being that flexible and changing with culture, and others think is a more rigid thing. Some hold a more classical view on language. But the issue I see coming up here is that now language is being "bent" so to speak to reflect something other than what is real. If even language gets bent like that, how do we keep our footing on reality? I think that has really interesting and complex implications.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Agreed! You’ll find the full convo helpful.

[@wesleygestring2529]

Your accommodation is affirmation!!!

[@emalee8366]

6:50 Yes some languages are gendered by their very nature I agree. And my kitchen table is a male while my boat is a female. 😂😂 I honestly don't think this makes the point that he's trying to make. In German the word for cat is female and the word for dog is male. This logic just really does not hold.

[@danjoconway]

Not language that reflects a worldview. That's sneaky. It's about language that reflects reality.

[@janinevanreenen9470]

As a parent; the name change is very personal, and very much an issue. It is a burying of the reality of who my child is.

[@janinevanreenen9470]

And.. What is the goal, really?

[@janinevanreenen9470]

Are we to move with the culture?!?!?!

[@Disciple793]

If I am approached with someone who has a specific pronoun, I know instinctively that this person wants to be identified as something different that God has ordained. No, I will not be compromise. But that doesn't mean the conversation has to end.

[@gingy23ben5]

The hard reality is, for many who are trans, the conversation will end because you haven’t taken any time to truly understand them or why they use pronouns. I have no issue with people who don’t want to use pronouns but for those that thinks it’s heresy to use them in order to have the opportunity to speak into another person’s life is a bit much

[@danjuliehass4641]

Preston Sprinkle compromises and is a stumbling block! Truth is the most loving response to anyone, even if it offends someone. God does not need anyone of us to compromise for His truth. We can not out love God. God is the same yesterday, today and forever more!

[@romans1vs6teen]

Preston says that definitions/meanings change over time. The question that should be asked is WHY do definitions change over time?

[@keepitrealoriginal]

Slippery slopes of compromise is what has gotten us this world. I would question this man's salvation.

[@mcfarvo]

This is an incoherent ethic. Shall we likewise "accomodate" an Atheist in their worldview and diction by talking about miracles as impossible and as God as non-existent? No.

[@ellen7805]

"I don't want to give the impression that my accommodation is affirmation."- Preston I agree Preston, you shouldn't do that, but unfortunately your accommodation is giving the impression of affirmation. There's no way around that.

[@jenniferwalsh1731]

Preston says I can’t push my view on them. I’m not trying to. I just can’t say their pronouns and would like the same respect that they want in using their pronouns.

[@vigo4989]

Accommodating they’re worldview is an act of affirmation. By saying my pronouns are “X” they are in fact saying “I am wanting to be treated as X”. Just going along with that gives them a sense of validation. A person does not need to say verbatim, “I am a male pretending to be a female” in order to be implying that. Listening to Sprinkle trying to justify his approach makes me feel like words don’t have meaning.

[@robertboebinger7719]

Blessed to be generation X 🙌Jeremiah 33:3

[@sampaigemusic]

I have to defer to Preston on this one. I'm not in these types of situations like ever, so it would be easy to say that I wouldn't use the preferred pronouns, but I might if I'm actually in that situation. Preston ministers to these types of people all the time and is a faithful believer. I have much respect for both of these men. Both can be right in different situations.

[@robertguidry2168]

Are you sure that you don't like Preston because the compromise makes your life easier, rather than being the honest, truthful approach?

[@queensthiefGen]

@@robertguidry2168 I really appreciated @sampaigemusic's question, since I'm actually in these situations regularly. I interact (in a service profession) with people who struggle with dysphoria, as well as people with other delusions. For a season, a person who requested gender nonconforming pronouns at my place of work was very, very involved in my day-to-day. This person was difficult to deal with for a WIDE variety of reasons, so we discussed a them a lot as a staff. It's really, REALLY hard to avoid using pronouns when you're talking about someone regularly (it's just cumbersome, linguistically--try writing a paragraph about a person and see how obvious is becomes that you're just using their name when most people would use a pronoun--it negates the idea that you're trying to avoid conflict, because it's still obvious that you don't want to use their preferred pronoun), and when you're in a situation where you need to choose your battles, to the tune of four or five big, fast-paced battles a day, sometimes you choose sacrificing a pronoun in a sentence rather than cause the difficult person to lock onto you as an enemy. I don't think it's about it being "easier" to compromise. It's more about the tension of having two, mutually-exclusive goals. Because, in the end: your goal is to help that person, and you can't help them if they don't see you as someone who wants to help them. In my case, I decided I would try to avoid using the pronouns to the person-in-questions's face, but if it was unavoidable for getting staff business taken care of, I could relent and use pronouns for the sake of team harmony and getting the job done (which included asking this person to leave the premises sometimes. It's not like we were just letting them do whatever they wanted). It's a delicate dance, of course. I know that I asked for God's guidance as best as I could in this situation, but I am dismayed by how often I see people so causally dismiss faithful people's efforts in KZbin comments sections. "Encourage one another and build each other up," right? We wouldn't be talking about this issue so much if it weren't genuinely a thorny one.

[@gonzogopher34]

Why would we ever operate under any worldview other than the Truth?

[@PsychoBible]

Why do we persist in giving Preston credence? He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand he says he doesn't want to give the impression he's affirming of their gender distortion, but by honoring their pronouns (which, by the way, aren't used when speaking directly to someone) he is giving that impression. And yet he has the audacity to tell you you're being inconsistent! You would be inconsistent when it came to the name issue only if you had actually known the person as their given name. A short grocery store interaction is not the setting to challenge a stranger on his/her name. Also, Preston, this is not a matter of using language to impose my worldview on someone else. It's about aligning language with reality. Our words are honest only in so far as they reflect reality.

[@aerogers4117]

To the person, I try to use their name and not use pronouns at all; or use they/them. I will not misuse she/he/her/him. I have a family member tha reacts strongly if I refer to them as a male. I try to avoid further distancing an already tense relationship. He is fully aware of my christian beliefs.

[@atyt11]

I have a Brazilian wife, If I told her we need to play that game with a bowling ball, large round field, ankles tied together, 4 goalies and each goal is five points, and I said You know...SOCCER? I say that's SOCCER. She would think I'm nuts(probably punch me😄),....... but I want those rules to be SOCCER...... Does that mean now all of society should consider that soccer or I will be offended because you are not affirming my world where that to me is soccer???

[@c.m.granger6870]

You call them by their biologically determined pronouns. Period. Stop the madness.

[@micahbucy6855]

God uses preferred pronouns. He is not sexed and refers to Himself in the masculine form out of preference. Paul wants us to follow his own example and become all things to all people so that we have the opportunity to win them to Christ. We have to be willing to swallow our pride for the chance to witness to others. I side with Preston on this one.

[@EricFromPTown]

I think the awkward “pass-ability” conversation gets brushed past. I wonder if we as Christians who don’t believe in pronoun hospitality are indirectly driving these people to more drastically alter their appearance. In other words, if you can fool me into thinking you’re the opposite sex I’ll use your preferred pronouns (unknowingly). This is a tough topic and I’m glad you’re engaging it sincerely.

[@isaacolu]

No Preston no.... It's like saying I don't see myself as a sinner as I feel and prepare to see myself as a non sinner . Regardless of what anyone or the bible says . Internally I feel sinless

[@ronm1837]

I would agree but still what is the message and where do you stand

[@elizabethryan2217]

The thing about pronouns is that they're partly used to identify people when we don't know their name. It's neither of any use to identify somebody by how they may be feeling, nor is it practical, since we can't see inside their minds. We also can't be expected to *remember* how every person we meet views themselves, so practically speaking we can realistically only go by what we see. i.e. do they present as male or female?

[@HeyKellyShea]

3:57 or can it be “I’m going to use language that reflects the truth,” “reflects reality”…?

[@davidarruda9324]

While language is flexible and capable of evolving to accommodate expressive individualism, doing so risks elevating subjective self-expression over objective realities like biological sex. Biological binary sex, as a verifiable and enduring reality, will likely always have some linguistic representation. However, pronouns are deeply personal and closely tied to identity. The concern arises when pronouns, instead of anchoring identity to objective truths about the body, increasingly reflect the subjective framework of expressive individualism, which undermines the stability and coherence of identity altogether. This shift attempts to sever identity from its biological grounding, promoting expressive individualism as primary to identity over the body. Even if it is linguistically possible to evolve language in this way, I argue that it is not morally or normatively desirable to do so. Language should develop in ways that affirm bodily realities as key to identity rather than prioritizing subjective expressive individualism as king.

[@davidarruda9324]

The conversation is not just about promoting the lie that you are another gender, but also the lie that you get to define yourself.

[@stetsonwatkins]

"Personal pronouns" are third-person descriptions. The person who wants to be identified a certain way should never be aware of how someone addresses them to another person.

[@amandablakely7702]

Watched during my lunch break. Looking forward to the full interview! 🙂

[@SeanMcDowell]

Let us know what you think, please!

[@nataliarose2073]

​@@SeanMcDowellHi Sean. Natalia here. Stay true to the Lord. Preston operates from a spirit of deception.

[@HeyKellyShea]

10:58 A name is a NAME. People change their name all the time & thats thier prerogative. It’s up to them what they call themselves. People can call themselves whatever name they want, but people should not be forced to use these backwards pronouns.

[@fbrown1543]

He deceives his own wife. 😵‍💫

[@Ash-io6td]

7:09 And some languages are gender neutral. If we believe Genesis then we believe that God created the various languages, which includes the gendered languages and gender neutral languages. If God cared about gender the way certain ppl do, then he would have ensured that EVERY language carried gender specific language. Moreover, acknowledging that the various languages were a punishment to ensure that we couldn’t communicate. I think that it’s safe to say that God didn’t intend to use various languages as a reflection of his divinity.

[@kaleelagomarsino1945]

Jesus never compromised.

[@sovereigngodlisaloves9525]

No thank you to preferred pronouns. I simply and biblically just refuse to feed the delusion.

[@bethezebra]

Try working construction with a male identifying female. You end up doing your work and theirs too, despite the identification. I'm not mad or unloving, I'm just tired and underpaid. 🤷🏿

[@MsQiu-ks8lm]

Clearly, Preston's argument is 🙄.

[@vegometer]

3:30 Preston says he’d accomodate to the other person’s worldview. When did Jesus, in loving people, ever accomodate to a false worldview?

[@e.m.8094]

I work in education. I'll use preferred names, but I usually just use the word THEY for everyone because it seems unisex. "They turned in their homework.", "They still need a pencil over there."

[@tarem4264]

It might seem unisex because culture has misused it in recent years. It’s a plural, third person pronoun. As a teacher, you should know that and adhere to grammar rules as an example of the correct use of language to your students.

[@e.m.8094]

@tarem4264 Are you telling me how to do my job, and how to talk to my high school students during normal conversations? 🤦 If you can believe it, I don't use the Queen's English when I ask them how their weekend was either. 🤷

[@garrettvogelepersonal]

I’ve never heard of people using names to avoid the pronouns. God gave lots of names in the Bible. The old names sometimes show up after new names are given. I don’t know if it’s a good comparison or compromise. I think they both acknowledge their lack of expertise in linguistics and biology. At the end of the day the hypothetical people in question aren’t going to change their minds about these things because one person disagrees with them about their pronouns.

[@BertStubblebeard]

It’s fine. My pronouns are ‘Sir’ and ‘Your Majesty’. Make sure you use them.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

I operate like Sprinkle

[@JenDeVoreRichter]

Why do Christians even give people like this attention? This is a waste of time.

[@gingy23ben5]

Because They are both Christians, theologians, and intelligent men who think critically about these issues and respect a differing viewpoint.

[@jacobbeckmarketing]

I think Preston's response to this is thoughtful and compassionate. I think his approach is the best way to treat people in this complicated issue.

[@Rogue1099]

I identify as right and you have to accommodate that

[@aelder5057]

and what about THEY THEM? Would you use those? To me that's plural. It's grammar. Period. I agree with Sean. She and he are concrete identification words. -And what? Since when did "little girls" mean both girls and boys?