Season 2 patch 2: Heat and grab changes to Nemesis

[@LazyMaybe]

edit: One more addition to the pile: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpmaoGCMedlrmJY All footage is on haz 5, with 4 player scaling. Previous nemesis video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZTckpJpq6mtfKM Other drg test/info videos: kzbin.info/aero/PLqTo6tQ9tCOrABARyls3C94qzGo6TW3h_

[@BlindSE]

A video covering the new engineer secondary would be neat, i really wanna use it due to the cool factor but any way i build it feels awkward compared to the powerhouse that is the breach cutter. Great vid as always.

[@LazyMaybe]

@@BlindSE Stuff covering the new weapons is coming up, though there's quite a bit to cover for each so it'll take a bit.

[@BlindSE]

@@LazyMaybe Appreciate it dude, it's always better to watch a breakdown then a video telling you what buttons to press to make the numbers go up. Also the bgm from the previous nemesis video got me to play Rabi-Rabi :)

[@nevr8616]

What mod are you using to create the test environment?

[@LazyMaybe]

@@nevr8616 Sandbox utilities.

[@victornguyen1175]

I love how DRG's balancing philosophy of always somehow buffing breach cutter still holds true even to this day. Good to see that Nemesis is less of a meme though.

[@sneakycactus8815]

inferno breach cutter is so pog. gonna be hard to give it up for the shard diffractor

[@Uchujen]

Watchin this videos i realise how bad i want official shooting range/training area in space rig

[@MegidolErin]

Yeah, it would be nice to try out different weapons/upgrades/overclocks without having to do missions

[@deamooz9810]

They buffed the damage resistance mods of autocannon and coil gun. It’s time to become a living lure once again

[@darth_crumbo]

The Shockwave mod on the coilgun is even more worthless now

[@bluevenator8888]

@@darth_crumbo Oh damn I've been using that mod for it since it came out, what's so bad about it?

[@deamooz9810]

@@bluevenator8888 idk it's useless for the Mole and Hellfire OC's but it should be good for Triple-Tech Chambers (assuming the two additional shots get a shockwave too) and maaaaaybe Re-Atomizer

[@bluevenator8888]

@@deamooz9810 I do tend to shoot point-blank with Hellfire sometimes though

[@aarepelaa1142]

@@deamooz9810 but 20 dmg that it does ain't shit.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

Thank you for the testing! I actually like the change on the gunner. Removed the busted one shot, but through a little skilled play, you can still get it done pretty easily

[@Wizuu0274]

I still would like it more if you had more status effects than just fire be effective against robots. I don't even want more instakill tools, just more effective builds that aren't flame-based. However, it being more lenient with the grabs is really nice. I generally play really agressively (and don't worry - I fully acknowledge my deaths are my own fault, mostly) and having more of a window to get out of dodge if I get too close is a great change.

[@cosmicsquid1285]

Electrocution applies to so many weapons and overclocks, even though it’s not as common as fire I think that if they were to add another weakness it should be electricity

[@brettness1416]

@@cosmicsquid1285 I was going to say the same thing. Makes sense too much electricity would overload their circuits.

[@Eskinor]

@@brettness1416 Should allow you to force a hackable state on bots or something, let me get an army of patrol bots and nemesises because that's totally not OP

[@Deicide777]

Im also very aggressive, i like to pickaxe nemesis

[@0bsidianPrime]

I didn't even know this was a thing! I'd see the Nemi, ping it, then force feed it boolet while strafing around the arms. I know of the fire weakness, but I didn't know it'd go "wow, I'm dead" when fully overheated.

[@Necro_fury]

Man been really enjoying ur vids, between the music, how well everything is thought out and displayed and your voice is just nice to listen to(even tho theres no taling this vid lol). Really helping a greenbeard out. Appreciate all the update vids as well

[@Collisto2435]

Crazy how they gave us all these new heat options to deal with the Nemesis and then nerfed most of them.

[@Drakey_Fenix]

I think it's because they want Nemesis to actually be a challenge. Because if there is a specific build for each class to counter him, then everyone would be using it and Nemesis would just become a pushover enemy that isn't challenging. It's supposed to be a hard enemy to deal with that requires the entire teams focus.

[@appleOgreen]

strange how they nerfed being able to kill it in 1 second, i thought they wanted us to actually consider using any of these new things smh

[@Pizza_is_old]

Tbh I was always using the flamethrower anyway, but it's a bit unfortunate that these changes had the side-effect of making sludge fires less useful for the nemesis. Thanks for the informative video!

[@voicetest6019]

*cries in ice gun*

[@samssa7813]

I main driller and tbh, except dreadnaughts, i rarely get direclty involved with killing bulks or Nemesis. Im usually more focused on clearing obstacles / drilling an easy way out if we get caught with our pants down. The entire driller arsenal is kinda meh at direct damage unless you sacrifice everything for it.

[@voicetest6019]

@@samssa7813 For me and my friends, the utility of the driller for Bulks is that you can help the scout freeze them, or use the sludge and microwave gun to essentially immobilize them.

[@samssa7813]

@@voicetest6019 yeah that too, but i really dont want to lose a teamate from a stubbed toe because i didn't flatten the area followed by bulk slam

[@FackeYu]

what an excellent, quick update. ty

[@cornbonzo7027]

The reason direct heating it with flames is a sysphean ordeal is because you’re trying to use face melter. Face melter provides no heat bonus, you need to use something with a mag size bonus so you aren’t wasting so much heat to reload. I use 22331 with compact feed valves.

[@LazyMaybe]

YMMV, but since you kill it very quickly and efficiently once you're also using the sticky flames anyways I don't consider the mag size enough of a downside to switch. Facemelter's +damage is very convenient because it allows you to have the +4 damage you'd get from the tier 2 +damage mod, except you're getting it from your OC slot which means you can also take tier 2 +heat. The damage is very nice for regular bugs, after all, and you're never going to be fighting just robots.

[@bakshir]

isn't facemelter good for this because it increases fire rate? More fire rate = more heat, right?

[@LazyMaybe]

@@bakshir It does, yes. And while I'm taking the ammo mod over the rate of fire mod(again, because I want this to be good against everything, not _just_ nemesis), you could take rate of fire for even quicker overheating.

[@yargolocus4853]

yeah I thought you could oneclip the nemesis using full heat? Or is the difference on haz4 2-3 players that much different?

[@cornbonzo7027]

@@LazyMaybe true, but my build is a kite and keep up DoT like neurotoxin on the autocannon. A puff of flames will deal enough damage that you only need to take one or two steps back from grunts before the fire DoT finishes them off in the worst of scenarios. Against anything bigger I’ve really been enjoying chunking with temp shock Colette. It does suffer a bit without sticky flame duration but I enjoy the excess of ammo

[@bogdanyuriev1507]

Great video, I really hope that you'll be able to analyze the microwave in the near future (or when the devs finish "fixing" it) to prevent another metric ton of misconceptions from appearing

[@Chronically_ChiII]

What do you mean with fixing it?

[@comet.x]

@@archduke0000 bulks should only not explode if frozen though so that doesn't sound like a bug

[@bogdanyuriev1507]

@@archduke0000 And also adjusted T5A since it was basically not working at all before

[@rkeikiokalanim]

Rock and stone bud!

[@kliveran]

For some reason incendiary grenade's are not very effective on the ground but if get a direct hit they will set nemesis to half fire so it will die in 2 incendiary grenade's

[@kliveran]

Nvm they nerfed that too

[@legitrikk]

The direct heat flamethrower builds need the balanced magazine increase oc. Being able to continuously light it up while only reloading when it throws out shields makes it so you can kill it with little more than ~150 fuel/2 magazines. Costly on you but saves the team ammo. Besides, with the microwave the main job for the flamethrower is now to proc burning state so you can cook them, and the mag size helps.

[@LazyMaybe]

If you didn't notice, from 1:31 on I overheated nemesis in around 12 seconds with about 50 ammo spent. I'm not sure that a strat that spends ~150 fuel to get there is really competitive relative to that.

[@isildurfour]

@@LazyMaybe what build was that non sticky flame one? max ammo, heat and range with face melter?

[@LazyMaybe]

@@isildurfour 22331 facemelter

[@legitrikk]

@@LazyMaybe still better than the 240 you spent where you didn't even kill it lol. I was just giving the option of direct damage alone without using sticky flames. Plus, I might've overestimated the fuel used a bit. Better to end up using less fuel than expected than not having enough.

[@LazyMaybe]

@@legitrikk Right, but the point is that you really really want to use the sticky flames. It's not hard to get nemesis down next to the ground, it's how it normally winds up without even trying so there's no reason not to.

[@bryve96]

Man what I wouldn't give to get some build videos from you

[@CaptainGrief66]

Thank the lord for LazyMaybe's existence

[@ChromaSoul]

Cool thanks for the info!

[@HazopGaze]

As a Gunner main, I called it right after I discovered it. "That's way too easy... This is gonna get patched." Truth be told, I like this better. I've never been a fan of overly effective tactics and this now puts a little more thought into build choices and team comps. Nothing like having a Nemesis show up, hearing En-G call out "Gunner, need a grenade over here!" and then combine our heat weapons with the incendiary flames to smoke the Nemesis. It's a great feeling, to work with my team to bring one down, rather than hurling one grenade and that being the end of it.

[@OhNoTheFace]

Only in this game is fire on the ground more hot then being directly hit with fire lol

[@sabinodoi6399]

I think the reason ground flames might've killed really quickly was because it counted as hit multiple weakspots? Not to sure but there aren't many enemies with the same amount of destructible weakespots, I think caretaker and goobomber are right behind it.

[@Eskinor]

"imagine wanting to have options" - GSG, probably.

[@KickieB]

Were you actually trying to sync some of the nemesis Voice lines to the music? 5:59 was a sick drop

[@michaelschaub7685]

Honestly I'm a little sad that I can no longer say Don't Care + Fire nade and laugh at the worthless failure, but it's good that the new enemy is now more of a threat.

[@IcyFizzlePlays]

Great content, I saw your first video and was wondering if you'd cover these changes. Quick upload! Thanks!

[@crybabbo]

0:49 Molly just being herself in the background lol

[@ProjectXA3]

I was just playing on haz 2 or 3 earlier and had a nemesis right at the start of a mission (now that was a shock!) get TAKEN THE FUCK APART by *BOSCO* while I was still running away and getting the lay of the cavern to start defending

[@azogtheuglee4889]

I'll miss Insta Gibbind Nemi with the Fire Grenades

[@nickmclean4004]

This is fantastic. I was wondering why Sticky Flames wasn't working as fast as your prev video for me lol. 2 questions for Engineer! Does Armor Breaking matter too much for your weapons? Couldn't you just run it on the turrets? Does Triple Line Split offer something more than Plasma Trail?

[@BeeThompson]

I might be wrong but heat overdrive on the shard diffractor can overheat it with one burst, I gotta grab my setup

[@vyx6005]

They were like: lol scout you still weak

[@matthewpelletier6900]

The other day I ran across a nemesis with my sticky fuel driller and it didn't die when it got ignited.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

that's a glitch that i've gotten too. they usually die the second time around but it should really be patched

[@matthewpelletier6900]

@@archduke0000 It seems to be related to sticky flames. I just had a mission where i ignited 3 turrets with sticky and 3 with direct flame. None of the sticky ones died when they ignited, and neither did the nemesis that spawned.

[@razorvolare]

Does Triple Split Lines just increase the shot size or does it also triple the damage?

[@mks9399]

Just shot size

[@razorvolare]

@@mks9399 Imagine if it did

[@Deceneu66]

Thank you mate ! Fantastic job ! Rock and Stone 🍺

[@Doc.BlackWolf]

Face melter is not the best option for nemesis. I made a dedicated build that relies on increased heat rate + faster fuel flow rate. This allows me to overheat a Nemesis with just a single fuel canister (50 ammo). Nemesis 's shield can still be an issue though, but it isn't too bad. Flamethrower becomes slightly ammo hungry with the increased flow rate mod but it's manageable. I use a green overclock that gives more damage and sticky flame duration (this purposefully needed because I'm using it with wave cooker to instantly get rid of hordes.) The balanced overclock that gives you more range is also a good choice, you can pretty much have a huge 20m range on the flame and you can keep yourself at a distance.

[@thedesaj2]

Had a Nemesis get crushed by the refinery landing.

[@cubanwargaming4879]

so, i'm not sure if i get this right, but woudlnt a direct hit with the fire grenade deal a significan ammount of instant heat effect on the nemesis?

[@blitzkrieg8776]

I haven't tested it for myself, but does the plasma trail modification with the inferno OC cause heat damage?

[@qwsxedcrfv]

Why is face melter the go-to for bots? You’d think a build with similar heat/fire rate amounts as Face melter but over double the mag size would help… (Build I use is 22322)

[@LazyMaybe]

Face melter gives you both rate of fire and also damage-and since you're getting damage out of your OC slot, you can pick the +heat mod in tier 2 while still retaining the same amount of direct damage that you'd normally need the tier 2 damage mod for. So you still kill regular bugs quickly while also overheating bots very fast. I don't find the low mag size to be a problem in practice-you can kill 2 patrol bots in one mag anyways, and sweep over whole crowds of grunts to ignite them all for little ammo. And nemesis' barrier provides good timings to reload anyways. In the previous video I mention that you may prefer to use other OCs, though, and really the actually important things wrt killing nemesis are just +heat and sticky flames. So there's a lot of flexibility here and no need to follow exactly what I do.

[@Chronically_ChiII]

Use the same build, way better to consistently heat up robots.

[@infectedanimal9830]

for gunner wouldn't the most effective heat damage be a plasma burster missiles build with Napalm-Infused Rounds for tier 5?

[@LazyMaybe]

It's a little finnicky, the barrier spawning will sometimes cause your circling missiles to all crash at inopportune times. It can definitely get you more reward vs nemesis but a rate of fire up is more consistent, and also a lot better for some of the other stuff you run into on rival threat missions(like sniper turrets and normal enemies).

[@KorotasGeckoGamingCorner]

Seems to me like Jet Fuel Homebrew and Plasma Burster would be the best options for heat

[@SeriousAmaro]

Name of the test area mod?

[@Robbyo5]

I think it's "Sandbox Utilities"

[@TheZweric]

what about fire fat bois?

[@LazyMaybe]

They inflict less heat and you get way less of them.

[@johndreher7814]

what is this test server?

[@Genjustice92]

Hey is it just me or is the recently changed Shaped shells OC not actually reducing the shotguns spread? Or is it just a visual bug?

[@islamsamir5091]

Lazy would you recommend running AB on shard rather than heat mod in general situations ?

[@LazyMaybe]

Yes. But deleting patrol bots with heat SD is very good for rival threat.

[@mising7305]

I still see people say why don't you use incendiary is easy kill you should use incendiary on that you know is so simple when i was gunner Also I don't it just me or, even when i ignite robot with incendiary but they will not die is this true

[@CubeBizz]

I think they buffed its heat resistance too much, imo that's too much overspecializing required to ignite it. Only heat driller seems viable. Then again it's supposed to be a mini-boss, I guess

[@RexelBartolome]

i mean its not really accurate since the vid is just one person trying to kill a haz 5 nemesis with the health scaling as if it's 4 players. You probably need some help from other people to take down nemesis, which is intended. Though it's still sad that the scouts job then becomes the reviver and cant really deal with nemesis effectively

[@CubeBizz]

@@RexelBartolome heat values are the same regardless of player number and you can kill it without igniting it so saying scout isn't effective is a bit silly like I said, igniting nemesis requires overspecializing, meaning most players won't build for it so killing it the regular way will be more common and even scout can contribute "effectively" by sniping those weakpoints

[@RexelBartolome]

@@CubeBizz yea i guess you're right, scout still does a ton of burst damage, just not fire damage

[@perteks7639]

So fire nades back to be useless

[@samssa7813]

I think going all out on damage with facemelter is a bad idea, the only overclock i have for the crspr is sticky fuel and i dont like it. So i use a general max heat with expanded tanks in tier one and im able to one-tank Nemesis almost everytime

[@willgegg8601]

What mods do you use to test this stuff out?

[@Vizinho_FGC]

Please sell me on Volatile Shard Diffractor bcs I can't see it being nearly as good the ol reliable

[@squidcultist0022]

Noooooo they made sticky flames less effective

[@blueboy1958]

Can't wait for everyone to start reeeeing even more about Nemmy

[@cropathfinder]

i find minigunning the nemesis is still a very good option for gunner especially if u solo with bosco. Also another thing i found is that bosco can solo nemesis if he engages it on his own, it keeps the nemesis non-aggro since you are not attacking or ordering bosco to attack it so its also literally a no ammo way to destroy nemesis

[@napsterxxl]

I still don't like fighting that thing. Too much effort and stress for no reward

[@comet.x]

why would the rival corperation put anything the dwarves might like in the nemesis? and you don't get a reward for killing bulks either

[@noobgayfer9041]

@@comet.x bulks are easier to deal with since they have less range compared to Nemesis and don't always one-shot you. You can also use a bulk's explosion to your advantage, not to mention the existence of crassus

[@napsterxxl]

@@comet.x crassus detonator would like to know your location. Also prospectors drop resources and data cube. I don't even ask for resources, just and exp bonus at the end of the mission for killing a nemesis.

[@stanman3192]

Tbh the nemesis wasn't that bad to begin with, I think people just couldn't adapt and then complained. All of the guys I play with complained that it was bullshit but then always tried fighting too close. Just treat it like you're fighting a bulk

[@Doc.BlackWolf]

Me: finally, the incendiary grenade won't be garbage useless anymore! Ghost ship: I'm gonna stop you right there

[@GiggIes1]

Man I hate robots, they ignore every mechanic except fire and to top it off only a very select few weapons specifically built to kill robots actually work

[@noobgayfer9041]

Not to mention a pretty common bug when upon reaching combustion temperature bots just ignore it and stay alive. Least interesting enemy in the game

[@GiggIes1]

Oh yeah man I absolutely love that, the only thing I love more is how every robot can go through gunner's bubble and the caretaker being able to tentacle you from the outside and deal damage

[@Alchemist_guy352]

Ok

[@Se05239]

I hate Bullet Sponges..

[@rpegaming7564]

When they going to nerf bulks? Because they also eat green beards for breakfast, lunch and dinner like nemmy did

[@Orudaiken]

Bulks are very easy to deal with solo as any class except driller. Colette Wave Cooker might change that for him. But usually a combination of paying attention to sound cues that a bulk is alive and using CC while kiting completely nullifies any threat it could have except on sit and defend the point missions.

[@rpegaming7564]

@@Orudaiken yea I agree dets are not a problem, and driller can deal with them ok you just have to be more patient and deal with them last. Otherwise bosco with can help slow him down a lot and and allow you to play the game like normal, but in a different corner of the map

[@Bruno-cb5gk]

No my sticky flames are no longer OP

[@adamdobry5517]

Ya didnt show how bad agressive venting is tho, i dont like

[@janikesina7813]

I hate nemesissies

[@TheHasazin]

This season has become cancer! I agree Nemesis was to easy with heat before but this is crippling. Drillers new secondary got a massive nerf and now heat is nerfed on Nemesis. Last weeks elite deep dive was also cancer with massive Nemesis spawn rates and trash layouts.

[@VitorJexs]

So basically, a unbalanced and annoying addition to the game just got a lot more annoying. Honestly, DRG is a instant CLASSIC for me, but since the inclusion of the rivals (the ROBOTS, specifically), it is a chore to do missions, while before it was just a hard, but still chill, game.

[@davidbaguetta127]

Its ok for the most part until you have to defend and this mofo came of out nowhere