Season 4 Episode 06 - The Lost ending of Season 3! lets talk about college!

Mike and Jason sit down with Dan and an unnamed guest to discuss college and trades and pretty much everything in between... hang on folks
note- we know the un named guests audio isn't great in the first half. sorry.

[@chrisgalliher497]

This is the absolute best podcast I’ve heard from you. It truly nails how our world is today. I personally went through this with my daughter. Her mother’s side pushed college to the point that she felt she had to go. Me on the other hand didn’t even graduate highschool and I learned more from hands on in the world. Thank God my daughter saw through the BS and went with her heart and is at a hands on learning job with a boss that’s teaching her how to run a business and will help her see how the real world is.

[@afewpointsfromperfect]

Thanks

[@kevinkenyon7045]

Mike Jason and new gentlemen awesome pod cast! Respect and treat people like you want to be treated, family life is so important and nobody should look down on anyone! Thanks for sharing! Kevin

[@kjinohio5897]

I knew college wasn't for me and thankfully, I had parents that supported me in that. I could go tuition free as my Mother worked at the College but it didn't matter. I have not regreted it and retired early at 57 because I saved for the future. One funny story. My friends were going to take the SAT test and we got the day off school so I went as well. I did well in school but high math and science stuff was not an interest for me. As I took the test I got bored and when the Math and science sections were up, I just started started filling in the dots without even reading the questions. About a month later, I was called into the principal office and the guidance counseler and Principal were in there. They told me that it was about my SAT scores and I thought I was in trouble. They then informed me I scored in the upper 2% of all test scores in the state in math and science. I just kept it in even though I was laughing on the inside. I had SO many calls from recruiters from military and colleges but never told a single one what went down. LOL

[@wallaceeverett7415]

Grate conversation; do what you want and makes you happy! I've worked as a carpenter most of my life; drove truck and school bus for a while. Have had some good jobs that I made money and some not so good that I didn't. I hope that you all have a good 2024!

[@JasonWorksAlot]

Right back atcha!

[@WatchWesWork]

I know it's currently fashionable to hate on colleges, but the US university system might be the most valuable and important institution in the world.

[@afewpointsfromperfect]

Can if they choose too be I personally think that’s also part of the problem what’s your thoughts

[@daviddogruel7851]

I agree with Wes, but also fully support promotion of the alternate track(s) that are the subject of the podcast. The hard pivot to emphasizing STEM, starting as early as kindergarten, has led to a nearly complete blindness to well-compensated technical and trade careers (or even jobs since many younger people these days cannot fathom doing something for more than a few years). As I begin to wind down a career as a research scientist, I am increasingly entertained, and genuinely interested in, YT channels that feature fabrication, repair, heavy equipment and tree work.It seems these folks are having more fun, and making a good to great living, than I and my colleagues do most of the time.

[@darrenblattner2508]

High school was a waste of time so I quit. I did multiple jobs until I learned how to weld. After 27 years of being self-employed I figure I should have quit school sooner. Keep Smilin. Happy New Year

[@vincentwhite7566]

i went to a mechanical college because i wanted to be a mechanic. Part of the course was learning logorithms and algebra, i hated it. when i questioned the teacher about it, asking what has this to do with mechanics, he said, not much but its to exercise your brain and create new pathways, like working out at a gym for your muscles. I then accepted it and appreciated it.

[@dansbrown1313]

Hello Vincent, are you certain you were taught logarithms or algorythisms, they are different.

[@daviddziegielewski653]

Im really enjoying these podcasts. Went back and watched a bunch of them. I hope to see some new ones in the new year. Thanks!

[@afewpointsfromperfect]

Thanks

[@chrisk6474]

What's interesting about this blue/white collar debate is how much of it crosses over in the daily adventures of what Mike does for a living. Blue collar - Designing/ fixing the tile plow. That's a brilliant design that should probably be patented. The day to day running of the job site. That project management on steroids. There's so many moving parts, people, equipment, site variables, weather, quoting , evaluating the job for profitability (fuel costs)etc . Unless you're self employed and have the resources that DP has, other than college where else can you/would be able to have first hand experience with all of those variables without zero knowledge? So instead of being self employed for 15-20 years, college is there to prepare folks for that type of work load and to be able to micro manage what ever project. In a fraction of the time without having to being fiscally responsible for any mistakes while learning at a basic to intermediate level and pace. As for the the best programmer analogy. The best programmer may not have a degree and can make the software run smoothly. There's a but to that though... Their logic may make sense to them but once you introduce a variable like employees who have to make changes or integrate that software to newer or existing systems. That's when you see what's wrong and there usually is an entire redesign of the system because the code and logic though works in this instance, can't be easily adapted to future applications or revisions easily. Structure and uniformity has its place and though it may sometimes hinder development and implementation. It does work when applied properly. Great stuff as always ❤ Happy New Year. 🎆🎊🎈

[@shirleyc7175]

Best podcast ever, it should be mandatory for kids going into high school

[@afewpointsfromperfect]

Thanks

[@kevinmurray7135]

Very cool i did agree with most of you all’s comments Mike and yes there’s no right or wrong to what you guys discuss i was raised in the 60s and the 70s on the job training was a good thing blue collar all the way learned everything and anything that was interesting to me worked hard and loved bit of it now I just putter along and smile every day oh and learned a lot from watching you building things and MBTS you guys keep me smiling 👍😎🇺🇸 NY

[@richardvirchow2757]

Micke, I agree with what you are saying so much that is exactly what I tell my medical team, and that mentality is why my long-term staff have been with me for over 20 plus years. If we as employers don't treat our employees with respect we don't go anywhere except if I don't treat them with respect I don't get out of bed. That's why I treat my staff, with respect. Sincerely! R.S.V.

[@afewpointsfromperfect]

Thank you

[@thomasleonard1846]

You guys just cooked down to the realization that the biggest bummer in corporate iAmerica is middle management!

[@domangst8232]

Totally agree if you like what you are doing you will care and work harder

[@tompersinger1441]

Best pod cast ever

[@Scott.Lofton]

One thing you guys did not mention - or at least I didn't hear it. Not everyone has the aptitude to learn everything - I could have all the desire in the world to fly airplanes but may or may not be able to learn it - no matter how good the instructor is. Enjoyed the podcast - thanks.

[@dansbrown1313]

I am or was a NICU Paramedic and did have to take a 3 year University course in Neonatology followed by a two year fellowship to become an ITT (Neonatal Intensive care Paramedic) member. And we were licensed to travel around the world, saving the lives of premature infants and transporting them alive to a tertiary care NICU, I'm proud of that. I'm surprised that Jason doesn't seem to know what his wife actually does each day at work. I suppose you can't be held responsible for not knowing what you don't know.

[@afewpointsfromperfect]

Thank you for doing what you do and he know exactly what she did you completely missed the point of the conversation thanks

[@JasonWorksAlot]

No, I am fully aware of what she does. And I am damn proud of her for doing it. I’ve witnessed it first hand when our son was born premature. She requested he be transferred to the hospital she worked at and the two of them stayed there for 6 weeks. I will brag about how badass my wife is and how proud of her I am until my last breath and I thank you for doing the same line of work. Truly we need more people dedicating themselves to providing care to children, especially newborns. I do not put down my wife’s educational choice however my wife will be the first to tell you that she over paid for her education, she had a full scholarship to a “lesser known” school (her words) and chose to go to a well known and respected school instead. After working in the field she says that was a huge waste of money. No one cared which school she got her degree from when she was hired and after being in the field long enough so see other people get hired no one cared where those people got their degree from either. They cared that they held the degree, and were proficient in their abilities. Moral of my comment is that I stand by my feelings of I think it’s unfair to pressure a high schooler into signing themselves up for tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt if they don’t know what they want to do with their lives. Or atleast what they’d like to try. If they want to be a nurse, for example than they should absolutely pursue the required education. But in the same breath, don’t talk down on someone who’s trying the trades because they’ve been told they earn more money because they went to college.

[@larrymills8527]

You guys are haveing to much fun .

[@garymessina1609]

Great opinion great discussion great video thanks Mike and Jason and dan and guest

[@adrianorourke2893]

I agree on your thoughts on education. Living in New Zealand our education is free until you get to university witch I never attended and when I left school in 1973 people only went higher for education witch taught what was needed for their profession. Most of what I learnt at school was no use in later life and the piece of paper stating my level of schooling would of been more use as toilet paper. The best education I got was from the school of life and hard knocks.

[@nathanpomfret2391]

Jason you do not even need to say where you work. I work for the same company on the NEC. Could not be more true.

[@JasonWorksAlot]

Never a dull moment is it lol

[@nathanpomfret2391]

@@JasonWorksAlot No it is not. Good thing is I am on the agreement side of things, our dept is very top heavy to shiny white hats.

[@JasonWorksAlot]

@@nathanpomfret2391 oh yeah, ours too🙄

[@johnunsicker7440]

So much truth to the things you talked about. The people that now how to do the things or the problems are the one on the line dealing with not the one in the office. There is a push in a lot of company to listen the the line workers to fix the problems. There so much Bs of I have a degree so I know what I'm doing not so. TO many school have push the tech class out of the school and cause so much problems. The thinking was everything is going CNC control so we don't need the manual equipment but you have to know how to run the equipment first before you can program the CNC stuff. There is a push locally for career days in my area here you get 100 different business and kids get to go and talk to people actually working in that field. Yes there is a boss there but also a true worker. Need more of the job shadowing things so people can see what the true field is like and not just say I ant to do this. I know someone that was accountant he hated it he went and became a UPS driver for 30 years and enjoyed it.

[@dustinhensley7995]

College is alot like safety training in blue collar... I have 100's of hrs in safety training... But none of my previous safety training reciprocates with the next job... when they could jst hand most guys the safety test and we could pass it in 10 min... but they require you sit through hrs of training each time! Oh and each safety training course costs my company hundreds of dollars...

[@MichaelTheWatcher]

I went to college for business. I changed my opinion after I worked retail for 7 years burned out. I drove a truck for about 5 years loved it! But really always wanted to be a mechanic so I did that for 13 years loved it too Divorced and became a cable tech for 12 years. So with that all said I loved mechanics and technology side the best

[@brian7327]

Best part of this podcast has got to be Mike saying I got a puppy so fuckin what Mike you Chris MBHTS makes this show for sure

[@scottm2828]

Not trying to be a smartass here. I love your channel DP and have nothing but respect for you and your accomplishments. That said, there is a difference between college and a trade school.

[@afewpointsfromperfect]

If you only knew what they are teaching now

[@NotmeGK123]

Yeah I’m couple years older I went to vo teck school like 6 months for machinist work was good at the work but not the fancy math so quit and became heavy equipment operator they don’t understand 2 plus 2 still equals 4 no matter how hard you make it lol so I’ll just keep getting rode hard and put away wet 😊

[@michaelchamberlain4618]

I just remember my sister is working with high school kids to know what they want but you starting at 7th grade with the kids

[@lesray5788]

Happy New Year blokes

[@shirleyc7175]

Good info 👍

[@thomasleonard1846]

Looky there, Jason Who Used to Work-A-Lot! Lol

[@cst270]

I heard the name Sean then Chad then James/Jimmy then Steve then Jared then Kyle for unnamed guy. Interesting.

[@justinmills8084]

How many names does the guy setting between Mike and Jason?

[@JasonWorksAlot]

More than 5

[@mikebarton8140]

Awsom podcast

[@michaelchamberlain4618]

You got to see what's happened over in India 3000 in a class One gets kicked out the 30,000 outside one steps in their front trying for your jobs

[@jimdaly5077]

Hi I honestly have to question if a lot of people, white or blue collar respect the product of the industry they work in, or are just waiting for payday 👍🐝🌞

[@bobsmith6484]

is Jason going to be in season 5 I worked on a assembly line for 20 + years we had a time study with 4 years of collage he would ask us how to make thing go faster

[@JasonWorksAlot]

Should make a few of season 4 😁

[@johnnylindsey5808]

Good job the education system is not working for most blue collar i wasted 13 months at Nashville auto diesel school on the job training is the best.I worked 20 years on class8 trucks . Opens my on shop in 1991 closed it in 2023 now I work for F&P America making automotive front suspension and rear suspension parts for Honda Toyota and Tesla trucks .

[@ricktricksfixx5970]

Crazy Ivan!! JWAL

[@machinemoverman4614]

Not college fan either, there was just nothing there that interested me. I went the other way learned a skill, now I have my own business of over 20 years. If have a job/skill you enjoy, you never work a day in your life!

[@timmerritt2853]

JASON, WHAT KIND OF CAR WERE YOU GUYS IN THAT A PRIUS BLEW PAST YOU,LOLOL.....NEAT STORY, BUT I WOULDNT BE BRAGGING ON IT,LOL THE ONLY CAR I KNOW THATS SLOWER THAN A PRIUS IS A VOLKSWAGON

[@JasonWorksAlot]

The truck with the blue trailer behind it lol.

[@fuzion430journey3]

How about when you open the podcast you’re introduced who the two clowns are sitting there and why should we listen to them?

[@JasonWorksAlot]

We like to make the listener work for the knowledge 😂

[@fuzion430journey3]

@@JasonWorksAlot lol

[@JasonWorksAlot]

@@fuzion430journey3funny thing is, as I was editing it I thought the same exact thing. To clear it up, Dan is a well respected microbiologist, and the unnamed guest works as a financial analyst at a very large investment company.

[@jeremysmith6905]

Jason is the worst part of any podcast… shut his mouth and it works better.

[@JasonWorksAlot]

I only come on to brighten your day 😊