Season of Discovery: WHERE PHASE 3 FALTERS

These are the things that i thought went bad, that could definitely be better
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#WorldofWarcraft #classic #SoD
0:00 Introduction
0:38 Like, Comment, & Subscribe
0:53 Incursions
3:55 Wild Offerings
6:40 Epic Questline
7:40 Sunken Temple Raid
8:40 Runes
10:05 Conclusion

[@Kempdude]

Incursions is like being put in a hamster wheel and being fed cocaine every time the wheel turns a full cycle. Any dignity i still held is crushed after a few rounds of the loop.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Run hamster RUN

[@fanofcodd]

Even solo ZF farms are better because there is more ring involved , it feels like playing a slot machine. Plus you need some skill , you use yours spells, you see big AOE damage. This is grindy but fun. Incursions are no fun. If you want to optimize it, it is really a hamster wheel. Joined a group for it to up my alt. The group run without a word , and when I died (squishy mage) after taking the second report , they didn't even helped and continued running telling me I will catch them in the next one How bad it has to be in an MMO when you play like that for hours ?

[@rachelrook8166]

Maybe I’m in the minority, but I love the 1 week lockout

[@hotlikesauce]

SAME, a 3 day lockout causes burnout much quicker. although, bosses in ST should drop 2 more pieces of loot, on top of what’s implemented currently.

[@Goodwaon]

There should be more loot from each boss. Currently there’s less than other phases!

[@Kaghoegaming]

fair enough, the world just feels very dead

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

I agree 3 day lock outs are just for people who have 4 alts and no job or streamers. What server you on that feels dead I'm on lonewolf and I see people everywhere.

[@jfunn]

1 week lock out means i play 1nce a week 😂. Nothing else to do.

[@scottjonz8809]

Phase 3 incursions and the sweaty gameplay just killed it for me. Went back to Turtle Wow HD and boy was I impressed with the vanilla plus experience they have developed and jeez, it’s free.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeahh, blizzard hates when creators make content on that stuff so unfortunately I can’t give it a try

[@zobo1978]

I wish blizz went for minor changes like twow… especially considering they ruined pvp

[@MrValkovski]

the problem we see with ST is the low drop rates for anything but tokens. Our raid is almost full on token gear but only have 1--2 pieces outside those. They need to up the drop rates for the other gear.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeah it did seem like that and after 3 weeks you have all of you tier and Rot them all or just get only one type

[@craigo1432]

I think they're biggest issue is adding things that invalidate other content we would have been happy to do. Nailed is on incursions and offerings. If incursions were on a lock out it would have been fine. Wild offerings as for completing full dungeon runs would have been fine. They added content that removed other content. Just loop incursions to level and find the fastest way between points A and B for offerings. For next phase I hope they just leave the game world alone. Have the updates and discovery be about new/updated gear and runes. The secret quests like the brd rainbow quest are welcome too. More secrets for special mounts and fun items would be great.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeah new things that completely obliterate the old stuff really feels bad, and I don’t get why they keep adding it

[@Damingo54]

This is my first phase. Started playing day one of P3. Loving it so far. Great video as well. Hope P4 has more new content as well

[@clintUofR08]

Before P3, I wanted the week lock-out. But now in practice... the game feels empty because of it. A lot of players just raid log. The need to get buffs and get ready takes far less time in game. My guild used to see each other multiple times a week, and now it's like a weekly handshake. I know that will change in the next couple phases with multiple raids/dungeons with bis gear, but in this phase the only relevant raid being on a week lockout makes it feel 50% less populated.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Definitely feels that way, I didn’t think one week locks would do that

[@farnsworthification]

@@Kaghoegaming its because you dont understand sod. there is a reason why they made gaps between phases. take your time enjoy the game make alts do quest venture out to areas you never saw back in the day. sod was next intended to be a race. if they just made it like ol school days where you can level 1 to 60 then do molton core atunment, run lbrs-ubrs so on and so on players would be have been done 3 months ago then complaining when the next sod expantion is lol. if yout bored its why thye still have vanilla era up---retail dragon flight---now classic cata lots of wow now to choose

[@mikesantana6755]

I agree with you on Incursions. Phase 3 was ruined primarily by Nightmare Incursions. It segregated everyone to those Incursion areas so dungeon running and running into others in the open world was dead in comparison to Ph 1 & 2. It was a fast way to level to 50 and gain tons of gold so it was a no brainer for some. It also screwed up the AH economy due to the influx of gold from Incursions. Even after they nerfed the Incursions this held true.

[@Kaghoegaming]

The inflation actually has helped a lot imo, because of GDKPs and rampant gold buying from P1, people had some insanely high early wealth obtained

[@dirtymike7290]

I enjoy mining lookin for arcane crystals. And it sucks when by the time I find 2 crystals I could've farmed enough gold in incursions to but 5 or 6..

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeah I feel like that every farm video I make that doesn’t hit 50-60 per hr

[@Mirrari]

For me P3 is the phase of "nothing to do". The night P3 launched, I turned my brain off and did incursions for a few hours. Got max level + tons of gold + rep needed. Next few days, I continued to keep my brain off and 10men looped mara for my 2 bis items. Another 2 hours for my runes. Another hour or so for the epic crafting. So in total it was like 12 hours of playtime max. Ever since then I only log once a week, grab WBs, do my ST raid and logoff. - I have enough gold from incursions so no need to farm for consumes. - The few BiS items to chase that are not from ST are locked in an insane or gated farm (wsg exalted for example) that will only bring you few dps increase at best. - PVP is a clown fest with whoever presses his 1 button faster wins. So yeah.. I totally agree with everything you said. It's a shame because they almost had it..

[@Kaghoegaming]

Pretty much exactly the same path I took, other then logging in for videos.

[@minalaminala141]

True!

[@Kaghoegaming]

Thank you :)

[@wellzsauce]

Bro it’s over. All of the dad guilds are dead, several servers depending on which faction are now ghost towns after the transfers. With larger raid sizes moving forward I think it will just be limited to the normal poop sock classic fan base. Who will gatekeep and log check everyone and push casuals away.

[@jjg42090]

Nightmare incursions killed what p3 could have been.

[@RichSmithson]

I agree. I swear 1/2 the playerbase is gone from p1 and p2 and all the casual dads are gone. They carried the hype, while the sweats drove them away.

[@Kaghoegaming]

I don’t think it’s all over yet, phase 4 might be good enough

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

My server is popping sorry for yalls loss

[@brotodile9740]

I have a 7 month old son. 10 Man raids were easier to find as a pug and/or now that i have a guild, we always have 10 people. This is a huge thing for me because there's always the chance my baby will wake up mid raid if we are taking too long to fill spots in a 20 man with a pug or 2. They should make it optional like in previous expansions. Give people the option to 10 man or 20 man it and keep the lockout to 1 week no matter what. Scheduling raids is so much easier on a weekly lockout. Everyone agrees on a day and a time, that's the day and the time. My 2 scents not sure if they stink. gg Kaghoe and now that i know you're on CS i'll be looking for your druid ;)

[@makoslushie9777]

I have two max level characters. Alliance priest on Living Flame and Horde shaman on Lone Wolf. Priest raided the first sunday of launch and shaman raided the second sunday. Personally, I did not see a lull in world/group content because of incursions. There were plenty of groups running dungeons, especially if you took the time to form those groups yourself. If you take a little bit of agency into your own play and lead the group, it becomes easier. I loved incursions and don't believe they should have been nerfed. Those servers normalized and consumables were basically the same and I could get all consumables for roughly 50ish gold and do just fine in raid as heals and DPS. I did not experience inflation, nor any real change in the things I was purchasing. I believe this was totally hyperbole and blown way out of proportion by players listening to specific content creators. I 100% agree that there should have been an opt-in option for the PvP aspect of incursions. Especially now, it is very difficult to be in a layer that is either passive or faction controlled in your favor. This makes doing the actual content difficult, due to the PvP aspect of it all. Blizzard should have definitely created the same opt-in system, or they should implement War-Mode already and allow players the choice. The runes are quite annoying, but only because you are relying on other players/specific classes. That's not fun design and I would rather it not be that way. Runes from previous seasons should be very easily obtained, as well. Either through a currency or just gold. Leave the quests for those that want it, but there's no reason old runes should still require so much investment when it is not current content. This was a major turn off for me, since I was not interested in P1, nor P2. I was up to date on information and news, but I just did not find interest in that. Wild Offerings should have dropped more, or the lock-out should have been increased. Honestly, they should have just dropped more and from more sources. As it stands, I would play a lot more classes and specs if it was more accessible. There are a lot of convenient quality of life upgrades that Blizzard could do to make it fun and interesting. Sunken Temple was interesting. I'm glad they went this route with difficulty scaling. It made the raid very accessible and frankly, coming form mythic raiding/mythic plus on retail, very easy. Which is nice. I don't want to spend large amounts of time in a classic platform raid. In general, my experience so far has been positive, but I do have quality of life changes I wish Blizzard would make. Travel convenience is probably the highest and rune acquisition. I would prefer not to waste time leveling. I would prefer even faster leveling, especially through the 30-40 range. When things like incursions are not viable most of the time, these levels are just always just a bore. And I'm definitely not here to experience the mid level gameplay, been there done that when era was retail. The least amount of time I spend in lower level content, the better. Hopefully, Blizzard takes a lot of feedback in preparation of P4 and really improves upon some aspects of the game, especially when it comes to QoL features and improvements.

[@cynic256]

I agree with almost everything. Everything about incursions, and the lack of GOOD loot from sunken temple. I don't really mind wild offerings but I wish the maraudon farm weren't a thing

[@balker205]

Gonna be honest, the community in SOD is one of the most sweaty communities I have been able to experience. The whole toxicity made me try out cata and I am surprised how much more enjoyable of an experience it is. Maybe it is mainly because of the fact that all sweaties are in SOD, maybe its just nature of cata classic. No clue, but honestly, the way they made excursions expliotable in the begining combined with toxic and sweaty community makes the game basically quite hard to enjoy (for me). I was expecting old world to be re-used to some extent. True classic+ experience. Instead we got vanilla with some retail spells and QOL updates. No SM raid (as they teased) and I also do not expect them to "flesh out" Azshara more or finish the Timbermaw tunnel thingy. This is just a quick cash grab with big promises. Everyone is Todd Howard nowadays. This aint classic + this shit is retail -

[@Kaghoegaming]

Ohhh don’t you worry, once cata is at 85 and in full swing, it’s going to get SPICY. I think we have yet to see anything truly new because they are waiting until 60 to launch any of it.

[@ragnar1614]

Also I think the purpose of this phase is to give us time to build a 20 man raid team for level 60 without overloading us with too much to do

[@zdubzz1280]

The weekly lockout and move to 20 man was not a good change in my opinion. There’s just way less loot and I don’t get to do the raid as often. The phase is almost over and my raid has yet to get a single epic melee weapon.

[@Kaghoegaming]

It’s only half over if they go with 8 weeks

[@zdubzz1280]

@@Kaghoegaming that’s only 4 raid left then 😅

[@VazBrasil]

Keep 1 week lockout. Reduce drop rates. Add second raid that also drops BIS gear that has low drop rates as well.

[@kedrin_027]

I quit WoW in 2009 and came back for SoD. P1 was pretty fun and hype. Most of the people I played with quit at the end of the phase, so my one remaining friend and I rerolled on a PvP server he knew people on. I really dislike PvP server but dealt with it to play with people I kinda knew. P2 wasn't the best. I think Gnomer was the worst raid. P3 has been the worst so far. I feel that ST has been the best raid and I am a fan of 1 week lock out. Loot in general is pretty meh. Not sure if it's just a rogue thing but the only loot that seems to matter is the three piece set and one epic dagger for main hand. Too many BiS items are BoE. I hate the world buff meta. I think they just shouldn't work in the raids. I also hate how expensive all the raid consumables are. I don't want to play for hours to farm gold just so i don't suck on raids. I would rather just not play then not perform well in raids and the game is just not enjoyable enough to put time into. I canceled my subscription today. I guess it was fun while it lasted. I am back into the camp of not giving Blizzard money.

[@mrvalleystudio]

You sounds like you want a retail experience. 3days lock out - no pvp - simpler quest - 10 days lock out - buying dark moon faire cards with token. Just add mythic dungeon and you are in warmth ?

[@brandenmock6351]

World Buffs needs to be removed from the game in my option.

[@Kaghoegaming]

With boons in place I don’t mind them that much at all. DMF is the only obnoxious one to go and get

[@brandenmock6351]

@@Kaghoegaming WB are to powerful and right now there is only 3 in the game. How are they gonna be able to balance the game. If you have WB you make the content trivial, if they balance around WB once you wipe you wont be able to clear content.

[@druidism08]

I still don't have any motivation to hit incursion after hitting friendly, the event is dull at best, even spamming dungeons and playing a losing battleground is way more fun than running around clicking stuff, picking up stuff and kill mobs.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Fair enough but you always do that in any aspect

[@druidism08]

@@Kaghoegaming yea but I just don't know there is something that just keep me not being engaged doing incursions , idk how to put it maybe the environment or just how jam-packed the amount of people being in a single zone it's almost feel exhausting and suffocating at the same time. It's like the experience you get when you use public transportation in congested traffic, you don't like it at all but you just have to endure it.

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

The 1 week lockout is to prepare people for the 7 raids you will have at 60.

[@Kaghoegaming]

They aren’t giving us all 7 raids at once

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

@@Kaghoegaming you will have several raids at 60 might not be 7 but it will be like 3 then 5 then 7 that's plenty for a week. Not everyone streams

[@kyeema-of-the-shadows]

well if you look at the quest rewards they a meh I mean they need cool ones like nightwatch quiver etc and blazewind breastplate they dont have to be overpowered things like niftystopwatch or cosmetic i remeber rocking my stormwind guards pants from hogger then you get junk like the timberland cloak or Samophlange Screwdriver 2 handed sword with no cosmetic value like the tork wrench which looks like a spanner

[@Pockethealin]

i come to watch the beard progress.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Are you impressed?

[@Pockethealin]

@@Kaghoegaming for sure. Manly mode activated

[@maxxmantooth5219]

When you enter the portal- it needs to make attacking opposing factions imposible. If it’s a PVE event- attack me on the open world side- but in the incursion- I and/or my group should be immune from the opposing faction. Just an opinion.

[@Kaghoegaming]

That would also be a great fix, but I feel like they would just camp the other side of the ramp as well

[@Patrickisat]

Wild offerings. Increase reward costs by 50% then have all bosses drop the offerings. on the DMF cards thing. Its ruff. out of the like 7 bags i've gotten from the WO farm i've done...i've gotten all 2-4. then making the 5-8 and the ace super overpriced. the 8 on my server is between 1.2k and 800g. it sucks. and Farming the offerings is just... feels bad.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeah just a feels bad system all around, but the idea was definitely nice

[@Patrickisat]

@@Kaghoegaming yeah Hopefully at 60 they have more bosses drop them but tune the rewards to a good price.

[@zerodas3293]

In my opinion the DMF card packs shouldve just been way cheaper 10 wild offerings is just to much in my eyes for a random card.

[@badwolfxd3593]

Completely new raids/dungeons, using zones that were never used before for questing and the incursions(as dailies). That's two examples of "brand new content" imo. Not having incursions in just a green tinted faralas, mindlessly repeating. Lame. As. Shit. But! I do think its best to save the real "new content" for 60 considering the little amount of time they have. Wild offerings should drop from every boss in the dungeon imo, with a really hard extra 1 at the end (those invis beasts) and bump the cost of the rewards from WO's.

[@hangingsky]

I think the classic team is being stretched too thin. SoD has the greatest potential among the Warcraft variants in my opinion. There is so much broken at the moment and not in a fun way. The PvP aura was half assed attempt to fix the bursty nature of PvP currently, but healing or shielding wasn't touched. I'm still excited for next phase since that's when the game opens up. Great videos as always sir.

[@NaturalAnimalKG]

Thats because there isnt a team. The same people are doing SOD and Cata, thats known, who knows what else theyre doing. Blizzard is hiring game devs and testers... for $19 an hour..... $19 an hour to live in California and work a full time job. This wont get any better, unfortunately.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeah I’d love to see them expand the team or split off into two teams for each

[@Kaghoegaming]

Yeah that’s like homelessness level wages

[@danieliorns4446]

Counterpoint. It's not the best gold/xp per hour when it is a PVP hotbed therefore making other options better. It is POTENTIALLY the best IF you can avoid the PVP (which was opening weekend only for the most part). PVP in the game is fundamentally flawed. What is crazy to me is how Dark Age of Camelot got PVP right before Vanilla WOW came out and how epically Blizzard's system is always destined for failure. Only 2 factions, PVP safe zones and PVP zones. I enjoy PVP but in WOW its a fundamentally toxic system that rewards bad player behavior. (IE killing players on mobs, rewarding 2v1s, zerging). The amount of actual rewarding PVP fights vs Degen activity is heavily scewed... but if you're on a PVP server you KNOW what you were signing up for. Not like it's a new game.

[@Kaghoegaming]

Largely you’re correct, where I disagree is that fact that’s it’s a new pve event, we have no clue what it is, and the nature of it was terrible.

[@bspus]

While I hate ganking raids, I don't see how Blizzard could have prevented that. STV offered protection from same faction players so not really comparable. Unfortunately this game is a magnet for toxic people. In phase 1 trying to get to BFD was a challenge. At least the incursion ganking has died down significantly. Incursions themselves seem rather empty these days on my server now that everybody got the rep. Wild Offering they should have done better. Should have required the whole dungeon on a 5-man and perhaps drop item prices ( in offerings) to half of what they are, along with what you suggested for cards. Overall, good ideas, bad implementation. Worst thing for me this phase, the economy seems to be permanently screwed.

[@Kaghoegaming]

The inflation was great because of phase 1, it was a great equalizer and on a limited time server, people are able to get what they need

[@lengthao9784]

ST needs more drops 5 per boss for 20 is bad. Ran it several times and can’t even get a decent piece of gear.

[@Dukk1078]

Incursions should have been daily quests with a higher rep gain.

[@Kaghoegaming]

AGREED

[@mitchconner2021]

Im on wild growth and I've seen a ton of new people who transferred from pvp realms and their main complaint has been people just ganking in incursions. There was like 10 lvl 50 rogues making the lvl 25 incursions impossible on Lone Wolf. Like who tf does that lol

[@aaronrodgers9202]

Wild growth ftw!

[@Kaghoegaming]

People having “fun”

[@stompy116]

For me personally this whole phase has been shit. 1. 20 man one week raids as a casual player have been horrible. I've gotten one peice of gear since week 1 from the raid. Whereas in previous phases I was able to get full bis or close to it within 4-5 weeks. 2. I'm a warlock. All our runes this phase sucked. And we've had 0 love from blizzard to fix anything where everybody else has. 3. Again as a warlock the farming fel portals for a potential bis weapon was a cool idea but terribly implemented. People have done 1000s of portals and not seen it. That's hundreds of hours of farming. For a seasonal server that sucks. 4. Incursions. Like you said should have been sanctuary areas. And given far less gold or xp. 5. The wild offering system promoted exploiting with the reset bug and just doing raids to zerg to the last boss asap. Terrible design. The boss should only spawn if you clear the whole dungeon or drop off every boss to promote actually participating in the content in the game not destroying it with cheese farms.

[@ragnar1614]

I agree 1 week lockout is way better

[@neilbecker1140]

sod seems to prove one thing. Players want that classic feel but unfortunately the current devs dont understand how to do this. They need to bring back people from 20 years ago. Unfortunately all those people hate blizzard. seriously find a ex blizzard employee that talks well about the company

[@lochvast1180]

People are now complaining about Cata and SoD simultaneously. Its obvious the talent is gone, and they are stretched thin. They also are not learning from their mistakes. I'm really disappointed tbh, and will jump ship the second another company comes out with a competitive game.

[@ingineru1337]

New battleground when?Ashenvale and STV sux, I would like like 1 or 2 gold per BG Win or Lose i dont want to do Incursions. Some more news about phase 4 would be nice to at least keep the hipe going. Incursions suck,make azeroth great again. Also caster weapons looks need some love too.❤

[@applepipe]

Love the one week lockout but felt instantly with incursions that this is not the wow I enjoy, have unsubbed now and am enjoying many other great games like BG3 and Helldivers and am so happy about it lol

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

Its a seasonal xpac who cares about alts when you hit 60 90% of people wont even have 2 toons to 60 and full raiding and geared

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

Get rid of addons and parses

[@TrickzTime]

I agree 3 day lock out with less loot is a better choice than 1 week lockout. However having the raid be a 20 man raid is a great idea IMO considering next phase all raids will be 20 man so this is like a buffer phase for guilds to go from 10 man rosters to 20 man rosters instead of it hitting guilds at level 60 out of nowhere

[@NaturalAnimalKG]

Job post from Blizzard right now for game analysts and testers for WoW Classic/SOD.... paying $19 an hour. Thats why this is shit and wont be getting any better.

[@Kaghoegaming]

In CA too, not even remote work

[@fanofcodd]

Not putting it in remote work sounds very stupid.

[@NaturalAnimalKG]

@@fanofcodd thats blizzard!

[@fanofcodd]

@@NaturalAnimalKG I mean , testing stuff and writing bug reports , feedback on the mechanics , 100 % doable from home. This is prime management bullying

[@NaturalAnimalKG]

@@fanofcodd I agree with you.... but blizz doesnt

[@teambammotorsport7249]

it's sadly become too retail i quit SOD for ERA

[@Kaghoegaming]

Why is it to retail?

[@teambammotorsport7249]

@@Kaghoegaming all the parses log's people wanting gear score's all that rubbish

[@farnsworthification]

so they need to have a disclamer for pvp server when theres new pve content ? lol uh they dont. just like when wow was released and there were pve dungeons that players needed to get gear and it was new to everybody and guess what they had massive pvp battles to get to it. why? because they knew they joined pvp server. you should not need a sign everywhere you travel in the game warning you of pvp can hinder your game play. You joined a pvp server. Doesnt if Sod is a new thing and your thinking " well sod is new so i should access to the new thing " nope you joined a pvp server use common sense.

[@TheBull300]

incursions should have been solo content that is better as a group not group content that is not viable as a solo.

[@oneswiftguy]

Can't agree with u on pvp server. Reap what you so. I choose pve server for that reason

[@hcliff2100]

My main gripe with SoD is the sheer amount of complaints from the loud minority. We are blessed to have them give us this version of the game of coarse it was never going to be perfect especially with no test realms, just enjoy or don’t play 😎

[@Kaghoegaming]

I do enjoy it, and that’s why I provide solutions to the things, to improve the game I love

[@hcliff2100]

@@Kaghoegaming I appreciate your videos and you come with a more constructive feedback approach, i mean more in general there is just endless complaints on YT and Reddit but i think overall the majority of people are loving it. Thanks for responding

[@connorrosekrans7348]

Whhhaaaaaa I don’t always get what I want whaaaaaa. Dark moon cards are hard to get whaaaaaa. 😢 *blizzard makes it easier to get* whaaaaaa everyone has the same item as me whaaaaaaaa it’s not special anymore whaaaaaa. Complain complain got collect retail easy to get items

[@Kaghoegaming]

It creates a negative player experience… and people are quitting in masses, I did everything I mentioned in the video, and that’s where it comes from.

[@user-wh8hz5sm5h]

If anything, the pvp is making it a shit show most with how bursty the game is now with some classes that can global anyone. Whats the point of healers playing when you just seen someone get hit for over 3k damage in a global or two before you get a cast of heal spell? Only live longer if you have hots or instant spell heals.

[@aaronrodgers9202]

Yeah the dmg reduction was on point.. It sucks it was only for a weekend

[@zdubzz1280]

@@aaronrodgers9202 you probably aren’t a fan of pvp if you liked the 50% damage reduction. I’m sorry I don’t want hour long arathi basins

[@aaronrodgers9202]

@@zdubzz1280 I am a fan of pvp and my abs weren't that long but to each their own

[@Kaghoegaming]

The damage reduction felt wonderful

[@zdubzz1280]

@@aaronrodgers9202 if you play horde it won’t feel as long since you can premade which is something alliance can’t do. I play both but mainly pvp on horde since you can group with people. Played an ally game and it was 50minutes. The game ended with nobody taking blacksmith, it was just grey.

[@neilbecker1140]

they destroyed mages. p3 sucks