The infamous "Malice at the Palace" fight needs a deep rewind | 2004 Pacers-Pistons

[@zachpriddy8432]

To understand this story, we need to rewind a little further... Basketball was invented in 1891 by Dr. James Naismith

[@Dominic078]

Zach Priddy lmao fr

[@rockerboyka94]

LOL

[@jamieculp5318]

Meanwhile, in 1865 boxing's Queensbury rules were drafted to make the sport more civilized...

[@benjaminodinakaHOODKIZK]

For real 😂😂

[@big8dog887]

But how was Naismith's invention possible? For that we have to rewind to 1862, when H.J. Lindon invented an inflatable rubber bladder to insert into a ball. But this is only possible, another rewind back to 1836, when Charles Goodyear patented vulcanized rubber.

[@Kingnetty]

The aim of the guy who threw the drink was impeccable lol

[@Domnguyen]

Lol best part is the dude that threw it didnt get hit and some random fan did. Trying to tell ron it wasnt him lol.

[@b4Sed1593]

Dom nguyen Hope he gets his cheeks busted for lying.

[@Iregretthispost]

A cup thrown from the grassy knoll

[@TheIrapprettygood]

Peyton Manning accuracy 😂🤣

[@ryanralph7494]

Not the aim of the shot. But the sniper positioning he was in to be unseen. Ol Ronnie attacked the wrong guy lmao

[@user-jv6pl1pc7t]

Tim donaghy couldn't stop the fight because he was too busy trying to figure out if he can bet on the winner of the fight

[@edwardgutierrez8844]

Chris Cuevas 😂

[@Saltyahole]

You think he was the only one doing it?

[@vshettyvs]

This comment made my day

[@burnttoast1273]

Lmaooooo

[@ddll6709]

Extremely underrated comment haha

[@merciless41582]

This was the most intense rivalry in the NBA in the early 2000s. This incident killed in the Pacers franchise for several years, and put a dagger in any chance of them being a dynasty. The Pistons and Pacers hated each other back then. You have to remember, this incident happened just 5 months after the 2003-2004 Eastern Conference Finals when the Pistons eliminated the favored Pacers. The Pacers had won 61 games that season, they were the number 1 overall seed in the playoffs, and many believed they were the favorite to win the NBA title. Ron Artest was playing like a top 3 player in the NBA, they had a deep bench, Jermaine O Neal was a baller, Stephen Jackson was a baller, Jamaal Tinsley was a baller. They were a complete and solid team on both sides of the ball. Fast forward 5 months later. The Pacers were the favorites once again to win the of the Eastern Conference. Jermaine O'Neal was solidifying himself as a MVP candidate. Ron Artest would've easily won Defensive Player of the Year. They already steamrolled out the gate to a solid record, and they took it to the Pistons in this game. Slaughtered them, and the game wasn't even close. Then the Malice at the Palace happens. This incident killed the Pacers season, they fell off a cliff, and they never would be the same again after this. In fact they wouldn't have a winning record until the 2011-12 7 years later. Had this incident not happened, I think the Pacers would've been a dynasty team much like what the Warriors have been. They were that damn good.

[@jordanjohnson9866]

Nah. Not killed. Not “killed.” /

[@shevcenko007]

Stephen Jackson wasn't a Pacer in 03/04 season. The Pacers got him after the 03/04 season in the summer trade with Hawks, where Al Harrington went the other way.

[@eddiemac8804]

For those wondering what happened after the fight, here's a summary: -The obvious: the game was called. -Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, and Jermaine O'Neal were all suspended indefinitely (Artest ended up getting suspended for the rest of the season, Jackson got 30 games, Jermaine O'Neal got 15 games on appeal from a federal arbitrator.) Nine total players, including Reggie Miller and Chauncey Billups got suspended (Miller and Billups got one game each). -Ten people in all faced (five Pacers players, five Pistons fans) were charged with assault and battery. John Green got the most severe sentence (found guilty on one count of assault and battery, he got 30 days in jail, 2 years probation, banned from all Pistons home games for life). -Despite losing Artest for the whole season and Stephen Jackson for nearly half the season (and the Pacers being forced to dress an injured Jeff Foster just so they could meet the minimum eight players in uniform in one game or forfeit), the Pacers made the playoffs at 44-38. That was down from 61-21 a year prior. -The Pacers even "upset" the 3rd seeded Celtics (who won their division with just 45 wins) in the first round. It would be their last playoff series win for seven years. They were knocked out in the next round by... wouldn't you know it... their Malice at the Palace companions, the Pistons... who would end up coming within a game of back-to-back NBA titles.

[@poogmaster1]

Best part is John Green and Ron Artest are friends now

[@KierraPlays]

Ben wallace was suspended for six games for the brawl

[@gm346553]

I had no idea how badly I wanted this Rewinder until I saw the title.

[@Karmy.]

Same

[@alexjjgreen]

right?

[@razkable]

its cause its the classic guy telling the story..its like this segment was made for him..when other people do it its boring but he knows how to give it the perfect amount of mystery and energy ...the same way the worst series isn't the same without the old announcer saying the birth year of our lord and savior ...

[@davethedude216]

Bruh you said what I was thinkinggggg

[@mutestingray]

It could do without this dude’s annoying voice

[@yungotcha]

this needs a full blown 30 for 30 2 hours long documentary

[@APisceanSlant]

Could've sworn I heard this was actually in the works. I hope it happens.

[@ytnym]

absolutely. This is one of the most important events in modern sports history. It's so much bigger than missed rings and suspensions.

[@andysorensen1737]

APisceanSlant If I remember right, Bill Simmons pitched it but for obvious reasons ESPN said no.

[@yungotcha]

@@andysorensen1737 ESPN are so trash man smh

[@nickmoore4880]

Hell yes! I tuned into this game right after the fight ended and I was in complete shock with what I was seeing. I stayed up all night watching the highlights of this brawl over and over.

[@carsonc3314]

Best part is how Chauncey Billups never got up from the bench.

[@razkable]

or how Rasheed really didn't escalate things at all during his peak years of anger at refs ..he kinda was chill the whole time....

[@LordHorst]

Wait, wasn't it Tayshaun Prince who stayed on the bench the whole time?

[@lil_james1584]

LordFvckingHorst yeah that was Tayshaun. He never left the bench the entire time.

[@mdtell]

@@lil_james1584 Tayshaun was about that paper. He wasn't on that large of a contract yet. Couldn't afford!

[@lil_james1584]

mdtell I couldn’t blame him. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@hanginplant11]

Y’all should do a fast forward series like this to show how trades/big shots affected the shape of the whole league for years to come. It’s literally perfect for this channel too

[@TenThumbsProductions]

This is one of things most Michiganders can tell you what they were doing when it went it down. Casa Loma in Mt. Pleasant Michigan baby!

[@ryanloftis1125]

Were you going to Central back then?

[@kylekonopka8292]

I was either in the hospital or at home given that I was born four days prior

[@Luke-cl8nu]

Casa Loma is in Toronto

[@jacobcelmer4928]

I was 6 when this happened but this was one of the earliest sports/basketball memories I have. The 2004 Pistons winning the Championship reinvigorated basketball in southeast Michigan

[@SeanP7195]

Working at the Mustang factory in Fact Rock. Driver came in and told me what happened.

[@elreiec1]

For those unaware, at 9:36, it was the fan in blue who had tossed the cup, not the guy that Artest actually wrecked.

[@GeneralBulldog54]

Funny enough, he pushed Artest into the guy that he eventually fought. What a putz.

[@JoshuaFrick3]

Bill Burr has a great bit about this... "What an invaluable life lesson that guy got. When something awful is happening you don't just stand there and watch it like you're seeing a movie... He just stood there trying to explain himself, well as you can see I still have the liquid in my cup (PUNCH), so it couldn't of been (KICK) Meeee!!!" LMFAO!!!

[@alexandergilles8583]

Joshua Frick I love bill burr he’s amazing

[@carlospezzotti6239]

Fun fact. Arrest actually became good friends with the dude he hit

[@menbuiltinventedeverything591]

@@carlospezzotti6239 That's too bad. Given that the dude was a thug for throwing the soda, and lives in the thug city of Detroit, would have been more fitting if he got murdered for acting like a fool by a fellow thug.

[@TXGhost91]

HOW ARE YOU NOT GOING TO PLAY THE WHOLE CLIP?! THAT BUILD UP WAS SO GOOD!

[@dspinel1]

@Erik Lerström what? The whole point of the REWIND series is to tell the backstory of iconic moments that we all already know and have seen a thousand times before

[@jonb2437]

@@dspinel1 why not still show the fight and then talk about the aftermath- suspensions, how the rest of the season went, etc. This dude sucks at storytelling

[@3SticksStudios]

@@jonb2437 I know, it leaves us all hanging. I think I'm done watching them.

[@CamJames]

@@3SticksStudios y'all clearly don't watch these videos. They're about the past, not the moment. If you wanna see a full story, watch Collapse or something. They got options.

[@MrVova79]

@@CamJames You're right I haven't watched these youtube videos, but clearly I'm not the only one disappointed with the actual footeage shown here. I get it the backstory was good and interesting just feel like they could do a little more. I watched another video bout Iverson by these guys that brought me here. And honestly was disappointed with that one aswell wanted to see what everyone said after Iverson stepped over Lou.

[@lukadobrovic182]

Tim Donaghy prolly put up 20$ on a fight

[@j.rsmith6360]

Luka Dobrincic 👍

[@Buttington_Headerson]

More like 20,000

[@VLE-Grimace]

Probably

[@Techninjaspeaks]

Everybody remembers where they were when this went down!

[@potatoedeets450]

Ya I personally was non existent. Man this was such a landmark in my life

[@mandu6665]

I was working in a kitchen when one of the servers I talked NBA with came running in yelling, "Pacers and Pistons about to get into it." It was near closing so we all went to the bar area and saw the cup heard round the world just as it landed. Shock, laughter, bewilderment all in one.

[@cultofpersonality2002]

@MUFC is your name Frank Lee because frankly i didnt ask

[@Mshine2]

@MUFC ok

[@MAMII-ks2qg]

I was at work at the YMCA watching the game, closing up after an after school program. Couldn't believe what I was seeing.

[@C_Sour_48]

these "deep Rewind" videos are amazing, and the details you guys reveal are terrific. But, the videos always cut off too early, gotta let the moments run out a little bit longer to truly relive what it was like.

[@Kreze202]

Copyright risks is probably the reason why.

[@ClareAmel]

We all know what happens. The focus on the buildup to it is the point. They don’t let the moment itself run out longer on purpose, and I hope they never do

[@GrantH]

Sorry, but I always laugh when I see this. Fans running on the court trying to fight with gigantic athletes? Sometimes people get what they deserve.

[@Karmy.]

The fans were in the stands tho

[@imightbebiased9311]

No they weren't. The fat dude on the court that squares up Artest and gets KOed is definitely not in the seats.

[@SilentLegion96]

Y4123 There’s more footage that shows fans stepping on the court trying to fight players. Look up the full version of this event.

[@razkable]

it was a late michgan night in a blowout..the only fans left are dunk frat boys with something to prove and instead of riot outside and get into fights with each other on the street they did in on the court that night..nothing ground breaking ..notice how the fans start hitting each other and separate fights break out ..this is Detroit

[@mattl4119]

Lol they didnt even show how big this fight got in this clip. Look it up it is awesome. Lol this was peak nba for me being a detroit fan that was too young to watch the bad boys

[@martinbrizuela9232]

Nice rewind but why not show the whole fight and the aftermath?

[@shadowdog200]

they never show the whole thing or the aftermath in rewinds bud

[@newthrash1221]

shadowdog200 Okay, bud.

[@razkable]

he didn't mention ben wallaces mothers death earlier that week which led to his anger that night ..artest knew this and instigated it on purpose to the guy he stole the 04 dpoy award from..bad move on his part

[@WorldwideWyatt]

Because the video would be >15 minutes long?

[@brandonconforto315]

right?? He doesn't even mention the length of artest's and jackson's suspensions which changed the season for the 05 Pacers.

[@JokersRWildStudios]

Popovich threw the cup. Prove me wrong. The spurs had the most to gain from it. They don’t beat the Pacers in the 05 finals.

[@SethKasso]

Ended up checking the date. Spurs played Philly on the same day as Malice. But knowing Pop's scouting, he probably had a mole in the stands at the Palace

[@Hoosier3091]

I honestly do think this entire thing kept the Pacers from winning a title that year. I know it was early, but they looked damn good

[@SethKasso]

@@Hoosier3091 and the pistons were weaker than in 04. Lost key role players

[@mtnduwu]

Name a bigger tragedy, the 05 Pacers, or the 02 Kings

[@jamesthemaniac3293]

@@mtnduwu oh the kings for sure. pacers have no one to blame for this but themselves. kings had a ring straight up stolen from them.

[@nickmoore4880]

This happened 14 years ago but it's great that the video quality makes it look like it happened in 1974.

[@blakelester1776]

Best episode... It’s so hard watching this being a life long Pacers fan. That was our year. If only Ron Artest was Meta World Peace a tad earlier....

[@Vichedges]

Yup, I still haven't followed the NBA as closely. I grew up watching Miller and I honestly believe he would have won a ring that year. Still can't stand Artest. He destroyed the Pacers season and the Pacers stood by him...then the very next season he asked for a trade. Just a selfish, thoughtless guy.

[@gdl3467]

​@@Vichedges Artest needed a change of scenario. He was on therapy, going through his obvious mental and anger management issues, and has said that during his therapy he felt and came to the conclussion that leaving Indiana and having a fresh start somewhere else was necessary for him to get over this. He's said aswel he feels bad about how he left the team and expresed remorse for not being able to compensate his teammates for staying by him. So I guess why Pacers fans could be mad at him but can't really blame the guy for trying to find his internal peace.

[@Vichedges]

@@gdl3467 That's great, he still screwed the team and fans over after they stuck by him. He ruined Miller's last chance and then abandoned the team the very next year after they defended him and stayed with him. I don't know what leaving the Pacers would have to do with him fixing his mental issues. The guy was talented but he bounced around the league for a reason. I think he played for 5-6 teams and twice with the Lakers.

[@bucknasty69]

What could have been…A Pacers/Spurs finals in ‘05 would have been wild.

[@LJF_JR]

I am right with you on this… you could feel it, Indy was sending a message and smashing the defending Champs in their own house and I can’t help but feel just so bitter that it all started with just Wallace overreacting to a hard foul probably because he was angry with how much the Pacers were embarrassing them that night. Above all just gutted that this all happened in Reggie’s final season in which it clearly looked like it would have been his best opportunity to actually win it all. Something so small, just one moment and it changed the Pacers’ course permanently. So damn sad.

[@jjmah7]

If I was Ron Artest, I also would’ve tried to fight a fan instead of Ben Wallace

[@dener22119]

Ron probably would fight Ben, he was a madman.

[@jjmah7]

well, he had his chance and decided to punch a fan instead!

[@jacobesnard]

@@jjmah7well the fan started it.

[@jjmah7]

Jacob Esnard actually Ben Wallace started it...

[@joshuafult84]

@@jjmah7 Why do you guys always point that out like Ron chose the weaker man??? Fact is Ron felt way more disrespected getting beer thrown on him by a fan rather than getting hit hard by wallace jesus christ

[@openthemind1244]

That plastic cup snatched a WELL DESERVED ring off of Reggie's finger. Gosh, I hate seeing stuff like this happen to good people. Imagine how awesome it would have been to see Reggie retire with a ring, walking off into the sunset.

[@cs1458]

On the bright side, this way Pacers fans can say they might've won that ring, when in reality they'd have just choked like always lol

[@jay1932]

Pacers weren't beating that Spurs team

[@thesobieski5081]

A Knicks fan would see otherwise

[@Buttington_Headerson]

Pacers choked

[@jmcieslak0]

I mean, Ron Artest could've also *not* ran into the stands and attacked probably the wrong guy

[@MrBceezy]

I'm a big Pistons fan but that Pacers team was really something. It's a shame that one cup derailed everything for them

[@razkable]

people forget this but ron artest was their best player..he was the reigning dpoy and a minny kawhi leonard for his era and a better Draymond Green with his versatility and intimidation and just effect on the defensive end and ability to playmake dribble shoot and run the floor at sf or pf...losing him was a death sentence...o'neal tinsley miller jackson foster jones jones pollard davis gill johnson were all built around him and his skills..that team would of been nice had bender and harrison stayed healthy without artest but oh well ..artest and jackson ironically both helped teams win titles as starters main 4 scorers before and after this so...

[@JackMcCrack10]

@@razkable Ben Wallace was the reigning DPOY here, not Artest

[@jrthegoatsmith712]

Justin Lee Ben Wallace wasn’t the DPOY in 2004, it was Artest. Ben Wallace won his 3rd and 4th DPOYs in 2005 and 2006.

[@SeanKeneddy]

two teams; one cup

[@davidamonett7283]

Great job at laying out the storyline of this huge event. I was watching this game live and just remember being in shock after watching this happen. The Pacers were a title contender for a couple of years there. But sometimes fate and some bad luck steals away those opportunities. Great video.

[@thomasmeyer6407]

I'll never forget that I literally just got home from work turn the game on and 20 seconds later malice at the palace started! It was like I was destined to see it unfold.

[@AnAdorableWombat1]

God is truly the greatest ain’t he? You were destined to see those fist flying! Hallelujah! 🙏🏽

[@omegaman6193]

Tim Donaghy was a great ref. I feel bad that this incident is what he’s known for and is the only minor stain on an otherwise excellent and spotless officiating career.

[@1TotalJabroni]

😂 LMAO nice

[@gmwdim]

The best part of his career was how he never succumbed to the temptation of betting on the games he reffed!

[@omegaman6193]

gmwdim well he’s catholic. They’re known for not giving into temptation at all costs. Does anybody know if he’s still officiating? I haven’t seen him in any NBA games. But he probably just got promotion.

[@SilentLegion96]

OmegaMan I heard he’s having a good few seasons officiating in China.

[@elihernandez800]

Lmao

[@KingDam3264]

I was 10 years old when this happened. Huge piston fan. From the metro Detroit area. Craziest night of basketball I had ever seen. Still can vividly remember the moments before even the hard foul. Crazy memories. So happy you did this one

[@fulaan1]

Mike Tyson vs Holyfield II(ear bite fight) needs a deep rewind.

[@woozie___]

Oooh this one would he sweet. The last golden age of boxing leading to this moment.

[@abelpriscillagarcia2260]

Who's here Nov, 19 2019? Today marks 15 years since the malice at the palace.

[@TJaeSpeaks]

Yep. Taking a trip down memory lane.

[@TapCat]

I missed it by one day!

[@electricshockers8958]

Myles garret has entered the chat

[@Vichedges]

I remember exactly where I was too, I was working overnights at Home Depot as a stocker. We were listening to the game while we were working.

[@Kennysmelle]

I remember watching it on Espn. I didn't believe my 15 years old eye.

[@otisboy6714]

Fun little story about the Malice at the Palace My dad is a diehard Pacers fan and the fight happened the day before I was born so he ended up watching it all go down in the hospital waiting room while my mom was in labor The Priorities of sports fans ladies and gentlemen Edit: for the record my dad is a great person and father so pls don’t judge him too harshly for this

[@mostdeadlygeist]

the jermaine o'neal hay-maker on that detroit fan was amazing. crazy that this fight changed the course of history and really set the pacers back for many years.

[@samuelmoulds1016]

THUGS ON DRUGS!!!!!

[@jimbo-fk4dq]

Of course Donaghy didn't do anything to stop the early scuffle. The Pacers had already covered the spread, so he was good...

[@Saltyahole]

jimbo 2346 you think he was the only one betting on the games?

[@jimbo-fk4dq]

@@Saltyahole probably not, but he was the one most known for it.

[@Saltyahole]

jimbo 2346 he was most known for it because he admitted to doing it and incriminated several others. But instead of them getting blasted publicly for it, people in general chose to believe that he was a lone wolf and he was outcast from the league. Probably to save themselves from the harsh reality of the situation.

[@burnzyburnswild]

Donaghy mentioned in the oral history on Grantland that the himself and the refs handled the whole thing terribly

[@menbuiltinventedeverything591]

He isn't the only ref rigging, Stern and Silver employed an entire league of corrupt officials to do their bidding.

[@tbj5854]

That Ben Wallace push was a bit more than a regular ol basketball fight lol

[@JoshuaFrick3]

Ben Wallace had almost zero basketball talent. He would not make an NBA roster today ala Kenneth Faried

[@jrthegoatsmith712]

Joshua Frick First and foremost, the league has changed drastically. Your comment was absolutely ridiculous. Second, Ben Wallace was undrafted and worked his way to becoming the best defensive center of the 2000s. He was one of the strongest dudes in the league and he was quick enough and agile enough to defend the perimeter.

[@LaPride247]

Joshua Frick he has 4 defensive player of the year awards and had a season with 15 rebounds a game lmaooo

[@JoshuaFrick3]

@@jrthegoatsmith712 Back then you could manhandle your opponent. Not today. Teams didn't shoot nearly as many 3s, outside of Dirk Notwitzki and maybe Mehmet Okur (who played on his team for a stretch) how many stretch 4s were there in the association? Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups guarded the perimeter, so when was this impressive display of perimeter defense by Ben Wallace done? You have a link to a clip on KZbin of it, because you're talking to a 40 year old hoops head who was obsessed with the NBA at this time & I have no recollection of any outstanding Ben Wallace perimeter defensive plays... Also, I don't think you understand what basketball talent means. It means shoot, pass, dribble. Ben Wallace had none of those skills. Therefore, my point stands. His ass would not be on the court in today's NBA, just like Kenneth Faried. When Faried's contract runs out, they'll run him out the league totally. He'll wind up playing in China or maybe somewhere in Europe, but even there they may not have use for his skill set.

[@JoshuaFrick3]

@@LaPride247 You think the comparison to Kenneth Faried is unfair? You realize Kenneth Faried is only still on an NBA roster because of his contract? He plays 5.6 mpg. Fwiw, Faried & Ben Wallace's rebounds per 36 min are nearly identical. Faried 11.9 Ben Wallace 11.8. Wallace played the majority of his career in an era where you could push, shove, and pin down offensive opponents with far more freedom than players have today. Wallace won 2 of his 4 DPOY's prior to the hand-checking rule was introduced. And anybody who watched basketball in the mid 2000s knows the game is called tighter than it is today. You didn't have bullshit calls like the way James Harden gets a hall pass to the FT line 20 times a game like today. They let the players play back then & Ben Wallace benefited from it. Also, I said almost zero basketball talent i.e. shoot, pass, dribble. He could do none of those things at a professional level. He would not make an NBA roster in today's NBA.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

I love how he has books and papers all over the table like this is one of the most complex moments in nba history when it really comes down to someone throwing a beer at a huge guy😂

[@christopherramsue3119]

this fight literally changed the course/history of the nba

[@brewsterbrooks]

1 day atlanta hawks career... sounds familiar

[@StandOnBizness5]

brewsterbrooks melo 😂

[@razkable]

atlanta is known for thta

[@davidmatheny1993]

Atlanta has a weird history with trades in all sports. The Falcons had no idea Favre would become a Hall of Fame QB in Green Bay. Without Pirates manager Jim Leyland flipping his lid, Barry Bonds could have spent much of the 90's in Atlanta via trade.

[@Dogen70]

I'm from Atlanta let's please not go there !

[@hto560]

AME7o Never missed a shot in ATL

[@joshuajimenez3738]

I have never left Pornhub faster than just now.

[@TheAceKannon]

Old joke is old but dear God I agree right now.

[@Porthos240]

🤣🤣🤣 still good!!!

[@airplaneoverthesemen]

same, I didn't even stop fapping tbh

[@TeamWickedOpinion]

Joshua Jimenez Lmfao!

[@carichar87]

@@airplaneoverthesemen bruh... and with a name like that lol I dont doubt you 😂

[@amirsabanovic]

Ben Wallace will always be the guy who made Ron Artest look calm and composed for a second

[@drizzletv3824]

Quality video and didn’t make the video longer for money reasons!! Respect to SB Nation I now am a huge fan.

[@andretmang3578]

17 years and 2 days later, the Pistons announcer: PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE YOUR SEATS😂😂😂

[@wazzup233]

The PA will surely gonna repeat it in every 17 years. 🤣

[@ck-1649]

"If you get up, you're going to jail!"

[@grishman99]

Bobby Boucher's 1998 Bourbon Bowl TD Pass deserves a deep rewind

[@TheFightingArt]

That was NOT a normal shove from Ben Wallace.

[@Vichedges]

Wallace should have got a bigger suspension. The Pacers were destroyed by all the suspensions that year and they still made it past the second round of the playoffs.

[@KZ3fps]

@@Vichedges they lost in the 2nd round to the Pistons that season. The year before that they lost to the Pistons in the ECF

[@gsentinel4821]

I concur.

[@ztrujillo96]

Yeah forearm-ing somebody in their protective face mask aint malicious either.. You reap what you sow. Artest was a moron

[@p00lboy]

ben wallace had just noncalled fouled artest the play before is the reason artest fouled ben wallace

[@supermacguyver]

Those blurry ass zoom ins 50 seconds in 😂😂😂

[@marcus813]

What I find odd is that in a college football game the next afternoon, South Carolina and Clemson had a massive brawl at the latter's stadium on Jefferson-Pilot Sports. Both programs punished their teams by not accepting bowl bids after the game despite both teams being bowl-eligible. I hate that Lou Holtz left South Carolina on that note.

[@fluffynoses]

crazy that this was 14 years ago. sometimes it really feels like barely a year ago

[@samuelmoulds1016]

THUGS ON DRUGS!!!

[@ohgodwhyimtrolling8113]

The guy who threw a beer at Ron Artest was tired of being alive

[@samuelmoulds1016]

THUGS ON DRUGS!!!!

[@legendary2553]

@@samuelmoulds1016 who’s a thug ?

[@andrewgreenhalgh8858]

Do the 2008 Men's 4x100 Freestyle Relay from Beijing Olympics, where Jason Lezak stunned the French on the final leg to help Michael Phelps keep his quest for 8 golds alive. One of the greatest moments in American swimming

[@tititata45]

especially considering all the trashtalk the french team did beforehand

[@elreiec1]

Agreed. Still the greatest relay/swimming event I have ever seen.

[@timbrechopper]

@adam brown Your cognitive skills aren't that high either, apparently

[@ABock4]

One of my favorite sports moments ever! I’ll never forget that race.

[@gerardroarty4423]

I wish there was still “defensive powerhouses” in the nba today

[@chedattilo]

I know exactly what you mean, bro. Just get a team together of Kawhi, Hassan Whiteside, Trevor Ariza, Anthony Davis and Rondo. Lol.

[@thedistantprinceinyouremai6345]

I wish there were still defenses in the NBA

[@kmarasin]

It was basically after this season that they changed the rules on hand checks, leading to the present era of free movement and sharpshooters. The final score of that game with the Tayshaun Prince block? 72-67. Detroit had 19 blocks, Indiana 7.

[@seigyoku.13]

@@kmarasin That match was beyond insane.

[@unopaz4970]

@@thedistantprinceinyouremai6345 nah man ive been watching defenses of the past recently and non are by far better than the nba today some are worse some are better not by much. If i were to rank worst to best them it would be 70s,90s,2010s,80s,2000s I cant find tape on 60s

[@nathanbranson9149]

This is done so well. This is the definition of how to give context to a situation everyone already knows about. I learned a lot. Thanks for this narrative.

[@KB-qk1ic]

That suspension to Artest is the biggest reason why Detroit returned to the finals. Unrelated note, Josh Jackson of the suns recently claimed to have been in attendance for this game.

[@greghmn]

Tim Donaghy was officiating? Yet another wrinkle.

[@razkable]

bill walton and mike breen covering the game between 2 east rivals who both had coaches that had coached for the other side within the last decade and ben wallaces mother dying and ron artest stealing bens dpoy earlier in the year while ben took the pacers title wasn't enough?...now we got tim in there too and reggies last year

[@menbuiltinventedeverything591]

All refs Stern and Silver employ are rigging games from orders handed down from them their mob boss.

[@taylorrichardson4566]

I'm a Pacer fan and this still hurts to watch.

[@jonloc8535]

Half these guys are analysts now it's great lol

[@Juicepluggedin]

Sb nation always delivers thanks 🔥

[@squallstrife-v5g]

I remember before this happened. I saw an ad promoting that game. It is an animated ad, Chauncey Billups was smashing a wall using a hammer. And then the next day, I saw in the news that the malice happened.

[@omegaman6193]

The heartbeat. The dramatic and serious delivery during the opening. It really conveys how this devastating tragedy affected the world and how it changed so many lives. It sucks so many people died....

[@mtnduwu]

The biggest causality was toughness in the NBA. After this, the league got way more sanitized.

[@Khundryl]

Look at the guy who got punched first. He's so happy until he realizes Artest is coming for him. And he's holding a beer.

[@R00SKi]

eclek313 poor guy had no idea artest was coming for HIM lol artest got the wrong guy

[@jguinto101]

Kinda funny do

[@galshaine2018]

Bill Burr actually dedicated a few great lines about him in one of his monologues.

[@rgrpkmn11]

This is Rewinder and Beef history all rolled into one video

[@nicolasfurger1032]

Do a beef history on this please

[@SomeYouTubeTraveler]

Song I wrote in 7th grade in Indiana after watching this game _(to the tune of Pinky and the Brain):_ "They're Ronnie and Jermaine They're Ronnie and Jermaine They played the Pistons, And things went insane! Ben Wallace kinda snapped And Fans were throwing crap Each one deserved a slap From Ronnie, the Pacers, and Jermaine, 'maine, 'maine, 'maine 'Maine, 'maine, 'maine, 'maine 'Maine!"

[@coltsrule5150]

As a Pacers fan, it breaks my heart to think of what could have been for that seasons Pacer team. I will go to my grave believing that if this had never happened, the Pacers would have won them a ring that year. And it's just sad for me to remember this.

[@dantheman6441]

This is a really good video, as per usual. I liked the tone of it. The rest of the rewinder videos are about some incredible, happy moment for one of the two teams...this wasn't that, and you treated it that way. Good job.

[@timhouston6828]

As a Pacers fan, I can tell you many people in Indiana still haven't gotten over this. I know so many people who haven't watched the Pacers since this incident.

[@skoobz-11]

Valiant Fury I don't understand it, the currents Pacers team is a whole 180 of that team. Nothing alike besides the name.

[@timhouston6828]

@@skoobz-11 It took them years to get rid of everybody involved in this incident though. People like college basketball here way more than NBA to begin with. And remember, the Peyton Manning era Colts were going on at the same exact time this happened.

[@AKSBSU]

I'm an Indiana resident and Pacers fan as well, and this still haunts me. Can't say I was pleased with B. Wallace getting a 6-game suspension for shoving Artest in the face, which really kicked this mess off, versus Artest receiving the harshest suspension in NBA history after it escalated beyond control. I knew Artest was going to get hammered because it involved a fan, but it didn't exactly seem even. Besides a hard foul, which was called, he didn't put his hands on anyone until after he had been shoved across the court then get a beer in the face while he was trying to cool off. I think Vernon Maxwell got 10 games and a $20K fine for going into the stands and punching a fan. Artest got 86 games and forfeited over $5 million. I'm well aware this was different than the Maxwell incident because multiple players were fighting with fans, but it was also the case that fans were physically attacking the team. It was just a mess all around.

[@brandonconforto315]

that many people huh? I could understand that maybe 5 years but unfortunately 2004 was a long time ago

[@ChiSportsNut18]

​@@AKSBSUBen Wallace did so much less than Ron Artest. He did nothing else after the push.

[@TheOfficialKNGaming]

What pixel was Wallace?

[@amanichan2111]

The black one

[@alperensengun6832]

Amanicha LOL

[@bena9369]

Lmao

[@uriah9645]

Amanicha n racist

[@calebangell77]

@@uriah9645 calling black people black is racist?

[@gseric4721]

WOw, what a break-down. Awesome analysis on this infamous event in NBA history...

[@skerryr3d]

Excellent analysis and a perspective I never even realized at the time. Well Done

[@fitness65]

It's crazy because had this brawl not happened it would've changed the course of history. Detroit would've never won that series against Indiana with a full squad without that suspension and Reggie Miller would've gotten his first ring. As I believe with my Lakers being a mess going into the NBA finals that indiana would've beaten the Lakers.

[@TheJSexton24]

This happened after My Pistons beat the Lakers and full squad Indiana would've been shut down still

[@fitness65]

@@TheJSexton24 I liked Detroit coming into that season but indiana was hungry and was on a mission to dethrone Detroit and get Reggie Miller a ring. That was the reason they got Stephen Jackson from the spurs and other players to beat Detroit in the NBA finals that year.

[@richardlorith8256]

Until 2013 that team was the Pacers best chance to win a Championship

[@koreypaul6698]

I for some reason don't think that Pacers team would've had as good of a chance. They were perfect to upset the Lakers

[@menbuiltinventedeverything591]

Stern woulda had NBA refs rig it for Fakers.

[@AlonzoJ130]

Ron artest was just chillin lying down on the scorers table living his best life and mindinghis business till someone threw beer and woke up a sleeping giant

[@snuffmeister6720]

still, props for that throw. well accurate

[@axlegallardo]

That "Cup" changed the the NBA as we know it... Teams like the Golden State Warriors wouldn't even been Champions if the Refs still allowed Hard Fouls like back in the Day. And the Grit and Grind Grizzlies might have one a couple. That's how much impact that one damn Cup influenced the NBA. I wonder if the one that threw that Cup knows what he did.

[@i-work-at-enron]

I wonder if the cup knows what it did.

[@TheEnergybeam]

I wonder if someone saved the cup

[@888YTB]

Should have showed the Jermaine O’Neal sliding super punch 😂😂😂

[@LightYagami583]

Thank for the early Christmas present Sn Nation

[@HonestUAWElectrician]

Leave it to us here in Detroit to have 2 of the greatest brawls in all of sports. This and Wings/Avs

[@Ricey167]

One of the greatest moments in NBA history. Need more of it.

[@RINGSx5]

I wouldn't consider it great

[@immaasshole4964]

Tyler Rice how is dis great?

[@giorgio2057]

Opened up KZbin looking for a video to watch while using the john..... What a beautiful sight....

[@loganparkison8969]

I still remember being at that game for my ninth birthday. My dad and I were sitting opposite side of the stadium, first row of the upper deck. Being a little kid at the time, I called home to mom and left the craziest voicemail that we still have to this day on the dusty voicemail box.

[@khau4eva]

Who's here because of the new released documentary, Malice at the Palace on Netflix?

[@easybakeitup]

Should've shown the full fight- great video, though!

[@beatsbykana]

Honestly this was one of the best things for the league. The fans have been incredibly well behaved ever since. They're starting to get a little unruly again but sometimes stuff like this is what happens to remind them they're not invincible, and can't just do or say whatever they want to these players without consequences. I guarantee you another drink is never thrown in an nba arena

[@oldermusiclover]

and to me if fans act that stupid they get what they deserve

[@jakeseifried6819]

I was and at the bowling alley watching this. It was insane. Great video.

[@MotorCityMob]

Never forget seeing this on TV, Jermaines Superman Punch is what I always remember too lol..

[@jongthedasher]

My all-time favorite line regarding all of this, Stephen Jackson said that after they were in the locker room, Artest said, "do you think we will get suspended for this?"

[@javianjohnson8746]

Amazing how much tighter security in the NBA, and pretty much ALL US pro sports, has gotten since Ben Wallace mushed Ron Artest.

[@counterfit5]

Javian Johnson I think that’s more the result of various terrorist attacks and fan on fan violence rather than this fight. None of the additional security would stop someone from throwing their stadium-bought drink at a player.

[@iZxrzz]

I was born the night of the malace at the palace at the time it was happening. my parents joke about this because my dad is a huge pistons fan and he was watching the fight and he kept making excuses to go to the lobby to see the brawl.

[@likenem]

I just watched the Netflix documentary. One of Ron Artest's teammates told him he could get a free Foul because the game was pretty much over.

[@luisbanegas23]

Fitting how this showed up in my recommended today

[@malolanbalaji98]

Who is here after watching the documentary?

[@John_Locke_108]

I remember seeing this on SportsCenter the morning after. Freaking awesome. I still wish every basketball game ended like this.

[@wildernessrailfan]

Who’s here after the release of the Untold Malice at the Palace Netflix documentary

[@glaciersmash4118]

Every time I hear "Welcome to a moment in history" i get the chills... Love these videos, keep them coming!

[@jacobhartmann1050]

Was wondering when you guys were going to do this one!

[@juanjvelazquez2595]

Mello’s hawks career > Rasheed’s hawks career

[@giantamagariantka8174]

Who's here after the new Malice at The Palace Netflix Doc? 🤚

[@TXGhost91]

Just so everyone knows what the aftermath was: Ron Artest - 86 Games | the rest of the season. Stephen Jackson - 30 Games Jermaine O'Neal - 15 games Ben Wallace - 6 Games Anthony Johnson - 5 games Reggie Miller, Chauncey Billups, Derrick Coleman, Elden Campbell - 1 game

[@toby1753]

what did O'Neal do

[@TXGhost91]

Toby , he landed a running punch on one of the fans on the court, brutal

[@toby1753]

@@TXGhost91 is it addressed or shown in this video

[@TXGhost91]

Toby not sure, but all the info is on the web, wiki probably has it

[@jmcieslak0]

@@toby1753 I'm more curious what Reggie Miller did with a broken hand, lol

[@mattm3729]

Such great video quality 👍🏻

[@MelMelx365]

This video is a master piece!!

[@nathanramberg3279]

Hopefully you guys do the 03 cubs/Steve Bartman soon

[@Laidback_616]

Pacers wanted no parts of Big Ben 🙏

[@m.w.s879]

I would pay to see Big Ben fight Artest.

[@DaDualityofMan]

Facts

[@DaDualityofMan]

@@m.w.s879 That's a boxing main event lol.

[@bavvaroisjoestar]

M.W. S i would pick ben wallace all day :D

[@Vichedges]

Give me a break, they had just kicked Ben Ben's ass.

[@K05Official]

Dude must have thrown that pie at Kevin Owens

[@BrandanTheBroker]

😂

[@cactusjack2264]

I hope this Pacers team is on NBA 2K23 along with Ron Artest who hasn’t been on 2K since he was still a player.

[@sumame47]

Reminds me of the old joke by Rodney Dangerfield: "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out."

[@taylorjones9979]

Can I please get a rewind of Mario Gotzë’s World Cup winning goal in 2014, Steven Gerard’s slip to throw away the premier league title in 2014, or John Terry’s penalty kick slip in 2008 champions league final for Christmas. Please I’ve been asking for months

[@thechief00]

they should do a rewind starting from gotze's goal and leading up to kroos's goal