Vince Young and Jeff Fisher were destined to beef

[@lastsinnersa8002]

One wonders how Young would have done if someone actually bothered to tailor an offense to his skillset.

[@lukefoster5794]

is it just me or would Vince young in today’s nfl with the great offenses today would he not become great

[@lorddane4147]

@@lukefoster5794 Vince Young as a Dual Threat QB would've probably been more successful if he was drafted now and to a different NFL Team due to the nature of the NFL now. Actually back then there were like 3 teams that were perfect for his skill set. The Vikings, Eagles and of course the Falcons. But Vince didn't fall so that reality was extinguished.

[@Dixon_Deep]

Same. He would of ended up the same.

[@thedistantprinceinyouremai6345]

Marcus Mariota would be a fair comparison imo

[@lorddane4147]

@@thedistantprinceinyouremai6345 Honestly that would be fair. On the high end for Vince he would be either Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham or a Lamar Jackson for his potential and the low end...well the latter half of Marcus Mariota's Career.

[@PaulGaither]

The team was fractured. There was a clear divide. "They misspelled my name." - Jeff Fissure

[@krambone]

I self destructed the team Im a roadblock to player development Im a average ass losing coach - Jeff Phisher

[@TheCloud2012]

I see what you did there!! Anatomy reference good job

[@cybercrasherstv]

​@@TheCloud2012it's also a haiku

[@RolandBullock-ej8wl]

clever =)

[@bmac4]

Beef History: Jeff Fisher and a winning record

[@blakelip3]

😂😂😂

[@ChannelyChannel]

Jeff Fisher and the 7-8 Bullshit

[@redwingsfan3621]

As an Oilers fan I agree.

[@Alonzo2k8]

I'll do you one better...unfortunately...Detroit Lions vs Winning record

[@brianbadonde9251]

@@ChannelyChannel that wouldn't be beef though, Fisher actually gets along with 7-8

[@raymondfrisbie8084]

As a Titans fan I hate this. You have a man of great talent and you waste it because your HC has a boys club mentality and treats players like they are all the same person, never tailoring anything to each's strengths. Even if he didn't have a bad relationship with Young, Fisher was never going to a super bowl again due to other HC's like Bill Belichick always out coaching Fisher due to Fisher never changing....I hope Vince is doing well now.

[@jonlamontagne]

He isn't called Mr 7-9 himself! The original fail upwards to better and better jobs is this man! Crazy how guys just get fired and hired a week later somewhere else usually with a better title and for some reason fanbases believe in them! I mean if you are able to draft a generational talent or believe that you are drafting one of those people that means your team was trash the year before! So this guy went from a stacked backfield of McNair and George to be able to draft Vince Young means that the coach should be fired. He went from a Superbowl to a top 3 drafting team! But, yet kept his job somehow well the somehow was Fisher's only skill as a coach failing upwards!

[@stalebread5887]

As a Colts fan I’m glad Fisher was an idiot. But I feel bad for Vince. I don’t feel like he really got a fair chance to get his momentum at the beginning of his career.

[@mr.bsmusic2317]

Exactly 💯

[@LittleBenjaminNeocon183]

Lol you're so ignorant

[@grinningchicken]

I saw him at the mall with his kids not too long ago. He's a big dude.

[@kingleech]

There was literally no worse possible fate for Vince Young than being drafted to Jeff Fishers team.

[@syz88]

For any player, really... except maybe CJ2K

[@kayodephillips5435]

Real Talk

[@drphot6050]

They both were childish and there are fates way worse lol

[@curronwilliams]

All they had to do was draft Matt. The NFL would probably be a different world.

[@alexseradj3003]

@@curronwilliams Matt Leinart would have somehow been a bigger bust but at least whoever drafted VY might have built their offense around him. Could you imagine Vince Young on the cardinals throwing to Boldin and Fitzgerald…

[@heavymetalweatherman7774]

I think an alternate version of this story is an analysis of how awful it is when teams and coordinators and coaches don’t try to shape their offense to highlight their quarterback’s strengths.

[@napalmpudding]

It's the difference between fitting players in a scheme and fitting schemes to players. At the end of the day that's what separates good coaches from the great coaches.

[@robs8966]

Or when you don’t draft quarterbacks that fit the system your whole team is built around! It can go either way

[@je7055]

Yep. 6'5"/230 QBs who run 4.5 40s don't grow on trees. Imagine if they had run the zone read with him (or better yet the veer). The league's DCs would've been caught with their pants down. Still won RotY playing in Fischer/Chow's 21p, under-center offense. He was even starting to hit his stride in it in 2009 and 2010, right on Fischer's 3-year schedule if you account for the games he'd missed in his first three seasons. In 2009 he put up a career-best 7.3 yards per attempt in 10 starts, in 2010 through his 10 games before he finally gave up he was sporting an elite 8.0 yards/attempt and only had 3 picks on 156 attempts. That's the part that often (understandably) gets overlooked in this story-Young was actually developing _really_ well as a pro-style pocket passer. I guess critics could say he didn't have the mental makeup. I'd say he had whatever the minimum it is to win RotY and CPotY and make not one but two Pro Bowls in only 3 career seasons with 10+ starts. In a better situation, who knows what happens, but I wouldn't bet against VY. The first Rose Bowl, against Michigan, is when I said "maybe I shouldn't ever bet against this kid." The OK St. comeback in 2005 was when I said "I probably shouldn't bet against him." The second Rose Bowl I said "yeah, definitely never gonna bet against this guy." (Seriously, we've all seen the Texas/USC highlights, but for anyone who hasn't seen the Texas/Michigan 2004 highlights, or the 2005 Texas/OK State comeback-UT scored 35 points in the 2nd half to turn a double-digit halftime deficit into a blowout win, including an 80-yard VY TD run-those are a treat.)

[@justincalhoun879]

I have this opinion about Tebow. Dude would have been amazing if a team had built around him.

[@jeffwilliams2828]

@@robs8966 that sounds like an arrogant coach too stubborn to work harder.

[@MKISports]

Ahh, Jeff Fisher. The 7-9 coach.

[@JWex-jy7sk]

Rams ownership to Jeff Fisher: 2012: 7-9 “Your job’s safe!” 2013: 7-9 “Your job’s safe!” 2014: 6-10 “Your job’s safe!” 2015: 7-9 “Your job’s safe!”

[@fluffskunk]

The Mario Mendoza of NFL coaches. If you're below what he could do, you're getting fired.

[@tyh.rodriguez7300]

Better than going 3-13 lol

[@elbowgang9715]

@@tyh.rodriguez7300 not really from a team building standpoint regarding draft picks.

[@MarkMartinezDaily]

@@JWex-jy7sk Rams went 0-100 real quick going from Jeff Fischer to Sean McVay god damn

[@rexblade504]

Jeff Fisher is definitely the villain in this story. After the entire Vince Young fiasco it makes me wonder why the Rams hired him as a head coach. It sucks that Fisher was so blatantly against Young, that will hurt any players development. Adams should of fired Fisher after the Titans started 0-6 and find a coach that would best fit Young's talents

[@Nalololol]

Supposedly he was hired because the Rams knew they were gonna leave St Louis and being mediocre would help that cause. He was was just there for the transition and it was agreed he would leave after their first year in LA but he started to lose the locker room so they fired him early.

[@sawyertuide7636]

Fisher should’ve been fired after the McNair-George Titans collapsed in 2004. He shouldn’t of been allowed to lead the rebuild, as the Oilers previously imploded in 94’, and cleaned house themselves. Adams should’ve taken a cue from that.

[@seandawson5899]

You took my words from my mouth stranger

[@tjohnnyf7100]

Now looking back…he was never destined to be a good quarterback. Just back up at best. He’s like fltizpateick that would get good at some times

[@sawyertuide7636]

@@tjohnnyf7100 VY would be his own type. An average QB most of the game that wins you games late.

[@riowhite2259]

1. As a kid, i didn't realize how poorly Fisher had treated Young. I thought Vince had let the team down. 2. Looking back, as great as that 2008 season was with Collins, that playoff loss to Baltimore really exposed how much of a dead end coach Fisher was. 3. I wish my guy Keith Bulluck got a ring. An absolute beast irl and on mid 2000s Madden.

[@tajcook3253]

I just checked the stats Kerry Collins was 15 and 17 with the Titans and Vince Young was 30 and 17 with the titans

[@pansexualdickhaver6878]

Been a diehard titans fan my whole life. I’m 24 so there’s that but I was a kid when young was qb at the time and I always thought young was just overrated but this makes fish look bad lol #TitanUp Oh and if Vrabel can get us a super bowl he’ll def be titans best coach haha

[@jpmnky]

Don’t feel bad. I was in my mid twenties and totally believed what the media was saying. So obviously took Fisher’s side.

[@booradley6832]

It was impossible to know back then because Vince Young couldnt speak his mind, meanwhile you have a coach and a PR department giving the media all the bait they could eat.

[@colin-hm5xw]

The most insane part of this story will always be the fact that Houston didn’t draft Texas star Vince Young. Set aside the obvious business implications of having the QB who revived Texas helping get Houston off the ground, but the year before the draft David Carr was sacked *68 times.* A mobile QB would’ve made a world of difference

[@lewiswilliams1893]

Good point. Houston native myself. I was so pissed they passed up Vince AND also Reggie Bush in that draft, to take Mario Williams. ??? In hindsight Williams was way better than Bush. But we'll never know what could have been with Vince. I think by then Dom Capers had left and Kubiak, a QB coach at heart, was running things right? Sigh...

[@lewiswilliams1893]

Also, I recall the reason why they wanted Mario was because they "0layed against Peyton Manning twice a year." Well now they also would play against Vince Young twice a year!

[@colin-hm5xw]

@@lewiswilliams1893 yeah, Mario Williams was solid but never really projected to be that franchise-altering player Young and Bush did. Not a Texans fan myself, but that decision felt like salary for a DE vs a QB/RB played a role since they didn’t have a rookie pay scale back then. I looked it up btw, 2006 was kubiaks first year as head coach, and it’s hard not to think about what happens if Vince Young goes to that bootleg-heavy playbook. Although to be fair the early/mid 2000s had a lot of Super Bowl teams with elite defenses and questionable offenses, while teams with incredible offenses like the Colts and Chargers kept flopping because of their defense and special teams. Again though, a lot of people back then partially blamed the high salaries for star offensive players while the Steelers, Ravens, etc. spread it out more, which is why keeping a mediocre QB and drafting a DE felt like a salary move to me

[@lewiswilliams1893]

Yeah I think it was definitely salary mostly. They were negotiating predraft I think and had a deal in principle with Mario soon after drafting. I seem to recall Bush held out a little with the Saints. You're spot on about that.

[@grinningchicken]

Vince was 4-0 against the Texans lifetime as a starter

[@boogernights1]

Idk why Fisher was allowed to get away with treating young like dirt. There's holding your players to a higher standard and then there's antagonizing a player until nobody knows what to think. I feel sorry for VY.

[@narenn91]

As a Texas fan, not seeing Vince flourish in the NFL breaks my heart....

[@xbotnpc420]

Half Fisher’s fault, Half Young’s fault. VY should have been a Saint or a Texan.

[@danceyrselfkleen]

It’s crazy! Love VY. Dudes got to be packing at least eight inches, girthy too. What do you guys think?

[@wrestler375]

@@danceyrselfkleen Umm, I’m sorry, this is a Wendy’s.

[@danceyrselfkleen]

@@wrestler375 you’ll get a load of beefy flavor Wen-deez nuts hit your chin

[@narenn91]

@@danceyrselfkleen great scott

[@mcj88]

A promising-but-misused quarterback (who's since appeared twice on the Scott The Woz show) vs. _the_ most aggressively mediocre coach in NFL history? I wonder who I'm gonna side with on this one

[@billystanton1522]

Vince Young wasn't as good as you remember

[@kingjayded4752]

@@billystanton1522 He never got the chance to be because of his coach

[@billystanton1522]

@@kingjayded4752 he had plenty of chance, he played in the NFL as a starter for years, for multiple teams. He threw tons of picks and had tons of injuries cuz he never knew when to slide or run out of bounds, he had terrible mechanics and never learned to read defenses or make presnap reads and adjustments

[@mcj88]

@@billystanton1522 I'm not even gonna say you're wrong, but it doesn't matter; between him and Jeff Fisher I'm still gonna take Vince Young's side lol

[@billystanton1522]

@@mcj88 I think this is a classic, there were no winners scenario. Just like the greatest qb of all time and the greatest coach of all time teamed up to make the patriots franchise great, a mediocre, overhyped qb and a mediocre over rated coach teamed up to make one mediocre team

[@justmaxproductions]

put VY in the situation that Lamar Jackson got with a coach who actually put a system in place to maximize a mobile QB's skillset and a team that complimented it well and he could be just as good as Lamar no doubt in my mind

[@brianbadonde9251]

Harbaugh also understands Lamar's culture a lot better, Fisher was out of touch

[@MarkMartinezDaily]

Yeah imagine how mundane Lamar Jackson would seem if he was drafted by Jeff Fischer

[@johnthomas6433]

Literally just show Vince support and respect and he would’ve been an all time great. Dude coulda ran the wing t offense and balled out he just caved from the backwards ass oppression he got

[@ck-1649]

​@@MarkMartinezDailyAs much as I hate the Ravens, I have to admit that would be catastrophic

[@JWex-jy7sk]

Vince Young would always turn into an MVP caliber QB in Madden 07 franchise mode!

[@brianbadonde9251]

Wasn't he on the cover?

[@BigBrezzy]

@@brianbadonde9251 He was on the cover of Madden 08, the best Madden game.

[@brianbadonde9251]

@@BigBrezzy oh yeah the next year

[@barfturbine2332]

@@BigBrezzy '08 was the end of good Madden games imo. They never felt right after that.

[@davidcovington1046]

@@BigBrezzy madden 07 was my favorite one

[@HipsterShiningArmor]

Some people when defending Fisher will say "oh, well Fisher worked successfully with mobile QBs before, so its not like he didn't know how to coach someone with Young's talents." tbh, I think the fact that he worked with Steve McNair for so long might've actually worked against Young in Fisher's eyes, because he really desperately wanted Vince to be McNair 2.0 and he just wasn't, he was a unique player with his own unique set of skills.

[@MiKen877]

McNair was black, but that's about where the similarities with Vince end. It's true McNair wasn't the least athletic QB out there, but he wasn't really known for his speed. Air McNair was a legit "old school" QB with a cannon of an arm, and that's the only type of QB Fisher had any interest in. I feel like the Titans shouldn't have drafted VY if they weren't interested in changing up their offense to best use a player with Vince's skillset. I realize Fisher likely got overruled on the selection, but if you feel that strongly about it you've got to put your foot down.

[@KTF0]

Fisher almost messed up McNair. McNair had a rough start to his career and broke out his fifth year.

[@pluturner893]

McNair hid 'Fissures' flaws as a coach. They won despite him as a coach.

[@johnortan1890]

Young actually had a better winning record percentage than McNair. If fisher didn't try to ruin Young every season, they actually could have won alot together. Probably super bowls. All fisher had to do was focus on the defense and let Young do Youngs thing.

[@FuckPolitcs]

Fisher literally had the opportunity of having McNair mentor him. Instead he let him go for the average journeyman Kerry Collins, who never sniffed the amount success VY had. Trading a super bowl winning vet for a journeymen will never make sense to me.

[@jonathancarlson6127]

As a Washington fan, I can tell you nothing good happens with the owner drafts the QB against the HC’s wishes and then becomes BFFs with said QB.

[@MrTimLee84]

Washington fan also. I know exactly what you mean

[@dcbandnerd]

Can confirm. VY was doomed fron jump street going into a situation like this.

[@weirdshitcoolideas]

Is this about RGIII or?

[@RugbyRyan]

Yeah which QB is this?

[@nritsch]

@@RugbyRyan Haskins.

[@12packersfan]

It’s crazy how everyone said Vince Young would be the new standard for qb and now sure enough in 2021 GMs value athleticism more than ever

[@fluffskunk]

Right player, wrong coach.

[@princealigorna7468]

@@fluffskunk Right player, wrong erra as well. If Vince came in either today, or even 5 years ago, he would have flourished. 2006 was just too soon

[@arod1904]

He was Cam before Cam

[@NathanJakobMichaelThomas]

@@princealigorna7468 if Young came in the league 5 years later than he did, with Kap and Cam, he could’ve been that revolutionizing star people thought he’d be. Just timing wasn’t good

[@brianbadonde9251]

Did you forget Vick

[@DragonaAuntstar]

I envy a world where Jeff fisher never ruined Vince Young

[@shootymcglocktoter1352]

@@waffles5433 no clue. Had to be cause he was the QB on the best team in the league that year record-wise, but his stats were less than pedestrian.

[@trevorposten7390]

What about when Saban passed on drew Brees for daunte culpepper

[@JBTriple8]

@@trevorposten7390 saban is about to be shown the door the Tide are dwlinding as A College Powerhouse

[@rguz333]

@@trevorposten7390 to be fair I would have passed on Brees too, both guys had amazing college careers, Culpepper is a freak of nature and looks like a legit football player, meanwhile, Brees looks like a guy that sells insurance. Life is funny that way.

[@trevorposten7390]

@@rguz333 I guess... But that was def a game changer for my phins

[@howamidriving27]

Jeff Fisher having long tenures with multiple teams is so crazy.

[@ellatgrasso2096]

i still cant get over how the Rams actually hired this clown.

[@skyham7093]

He was great for the Titans for a while. The game just passed him by and he didn’t want to evolve

[@episodesglow]

Long standing NFL tradition of teams too afraid to take chances on outside people

[@shawnald]

@@ellatgrasso2096 I can only assume he was hired to run the Rams into the ground so Kronke could manufacture a half-baked reason for moving the team back to LA and LA Luxury-priced Luxury Suites. Mission Accomplished. And now you get to wear the mantle of the Losingest Coach in History, Mr. Fisher. Enjoy it.

[@eggsngritstn]

He could always win the press conference. That's the thing that kept him in a job.

[@dave1927p]

Fisher never supported Vince Young. Even when he started him it was not an act of support. That's tough for any player.

[@corngreaterthanwheat]

"We're not going 7-9!" -Man perpetually going 7-9

[@aegisofhonor]

Vince Young is probably the best example of a "draft bust" that has to be at least 50% or more to blame on poor coaching and player development decisions by the head coach (that coach being Jeff Fisher). I do think Vince Young could have been a far better quarterback under a different coach and he could have very well become a Hall of Fame destined quarterback by now if he had better luck in the draft getting on a different team with a different coach NOT named Jeff Fisher.

[@Dixon_Deep]

Dan Marino ended up in the hall of fame despite only playing on the dolphins. Same can be said about Barry Sanders. Young is a bust.

[@hughjass2640]

Vince Young just wasn't good man, overhyped and incredibly flawed. And worst of all he bought into the hype and never improved.

[@DreThe1_]

@@Dixon_Deep Marino had Don Shula who’s one of the greatest coaches of all time and basically set the NFL forward to the vertical pass heavy league it is now and RBs typically don’t really depend as much on coaching more so than just their physical tools/own football Iq. So nothing out of their control like young QBs. Plus Lions o-line was never that terrible in his prime

[@____11]

*Vince Young was a bust. Plain and simple.*

[@falcon1378]

Should’ve went to Texas. Imagine if he had become a legend and mentored years later.

[@preciousroyhomeshoppingnet6219]

Fun fact: not only is Jeff Fisher a bad coach, he is also a terrible person.

[@EastCoastReese]

Wait I believe you but I need context

[@preciousroyhomeshoppingnet6219]

@@EastCoastReese overall treatment of Vince. Cancelling team meetings and telling everyone but Vince, leaking stories to the press, etc. Basically all the stuff the video touched on

[@karsonmapes]

@@EastCoastReese did you just not watch the video 😂 weird video to go straight to the comments, no? i’m confused by your tactics

[@EastCoastReese]

@@karsonmapes I was waiting for the ad to be done so I was reading the comments my bad😭. I just finished watching it

[@FalloutProfile]

@@preciousroyhomeshoppingnet6219 The video never said the things Jeff leaked weren’t true

[@lemar2122]

That was the sign of the times when coaches thought they were the stars of the team. I blame Titans ownership for this one. Can you imagine a team now allowing a coach to destroy a generational QB. On top of allowing that same coach to keep his job after years of mediocrity. Mahomes is a winner because coach Andy Reed understands what he has and uses it to the fullest.

[@leyloveshisfriends]

Can I imagine it? Yes. Trevor Lawrence and Urban Meyer- hopefully they don’t do the second part and let him keep his job after years of mediocrity (or downright embarrassment)

[@middleeastern5796]

@@leyloveshisfriends the jags are horrible throughout the entire organization and have been for decades. It isn't Urban's fault there. Lawrence is also pretty overrated imo. Jags could have a pretty good team right now if they didn't purge all of their best players over the last few years. Coughlin should get the heat for that.

[@citizencreeps7086]

Laughs in Joe burrow and baker Mayfield

[@SmoothCriminal12]

@@leyloveshisfriends well Urban just got sacked so hopefully Trevor can bounce back and prove he was worthy of the top pick.

[@jamesjarrait2231]

And Andy Reid seems to be a good guy. I recall many of his players expressing how happy they were to win the Super Bowl “for coach”. That’s unusual. The players love him, but don’t consider him a softy, but a partner.

[@TheJta20]

Thinking about this always breaks my heart. They did Vince so wrong.

[@danceyrselfkleen]

It’s crazy! Love VY. Dudes got to be packing at least eight inches, girthy too. What do you think?

[@SwayzieMayne]

As an Ex-Rams fan I remember when we signed Fischer as our new HC. Mr. 7-9 stayed true to who he was…. ….being 7-9 every year

[@uRDM]

maybe you wrote the letter

[@lenny7577]

I honestly can't think of a single player on those Rams teams except that CB that was a dirty player. Maybe that was their problem.

[@lewiswilliams1893]

@Roger Patel I can only recall Jared Goff and Fisher screwed that up too. Not saying Goff is great but McVay made him decent.

[@handleyobusiness]

Much of the key players on that Rams SB roster... Goff, Gurley, Higbee, Aaron Donald, Greg Zurliein, etc. all were drafted under fisher. Fisher has always drafted well but was burnt out when he made it to the Rams. McVay is much younger and has more upside

[@sbcj9]

Beef history: Jeff fisher vs developing a QB

[@krod91100]

Love how the video ends without any resolution. It's *chef's kiss* perfect!

[@hjluke4807]

liked the video before even watching it!! Jeff Fisher's beef with his QBs is awesome. But his beef with success is what truly makes him legendary.

[@barrettlloyd9247]

Jeff Fisher has a beef with anything other mediocrity.

[@ellatgrasso2096]

mediocrity refers to itself as Jeff Fisher

[@shawnald]

The losingest coach in history wishes he was mediocre. Mediocre looks at it's phone and sees Jeff Fisher's name and lets it go to voicemail that Mediocre deletes without listening to.

[@ChrisBChronisterJr92]

We all miss McNair and Eddie George. Don’t lie. RIP McNair.

[@zjwardlow]

I knew it had to be something about Vince Young Career on why he didn’t Pan all the way out I’m Glad you guys made this 🔥

[@joshuagrosvenor9837]

I'll never understand how Fisher kept his job with the Titans for as long as he did or how he got a new job once he finally did lose it. He was a terrible coach who had a tiny bit of magic with a team that had awesome talents like McNair and George. You give that team to an actually good coach and you're going to get more than 2 good seasons out of it.

[@zacspivey1185]

I agree with most of your sentiment, but I’ll say this: what did McNair and George do on the music city miracle play? He was a good coach for a decent amount of years with the titans, but probably should been fired after vy’s rookie year

[@PeytonManning187]

This pained me so much when it 1st occurred. Hearing the details makes me hurt even more. VY deserved so much better from his head coach. It’s a shame Vince never truly got the support he deserved.

[@ryanmarshall3487]

Jeff Fisher was arguably the worst case scenario to coach Vince Young when he came in to the NFL. He was also arguably a worst case scenario to be the head coach of any team.

[@pdgutierrez8784]

Can this apply to coach Nagy of BEARS, and Justin Fields? Fields development has been sow the first year.

[@ryanmarshall3487]

@@pdgutierrez8784 As a Bears fan, this is a hilarious comment to see pop up. I’ll say this, John Fox and Mike Martz would’ve been worse.

[@grinningchicken]

He was just another Buddy Ryan tree guy. Mike Singaltary, Rob Ryan, Rivera, Leslie Frazier would draft top QB who then either decline or stagnate after getting drafted. Even Cam or Air Mcnair didnt really get better they awesome in college then just Ok in the NFL

[@joegifted_9452]

@@grinningchicken both were pro bowl players and also MVPs how is that just ok lol.

[@jamesjarrait2231]

(Points aggressively at various Lion’s coaches over the years)

[@jwallE93]

A good what if situation would be, If Matt went to Titans and Vince went to Cardinals

[@Vulpane]

Cards fan here. Fisher would be stuck with a limited QB and Vince would have saved Denny Green's job.

[@jwallE93]

@@Vulpane I think Vince would’ve dominated the NFC West. At the time the division was probably the worst, not until Haubald took over the 49ers and Carol with the Seahawks did that side get competitive.

[@jwallE93]

Think about it, if Vince was a started and continue to grow there never would’ve been a Kurt Warner renaissance. While Matt instead of getting thrusted into the starting position he could’ve sat for a year like he should and very well could’ve been the next Carson Palmer.

[@Rextraordinaire]

Somewhere out there there's an alternate universe where that happened, plus Mike Shanahan was never fired from Denver and he and Jay Cutler continued to make beautiful music together, and in this alternate 2021 the '06 QB class is legendary

[@johnortan1890]

Leinart didn't care about the nfl, the dude liked college too much.

[@hi_austin]

Those late-game Vince comebacks were works of art. The Giants, 49ers and Cardinals comebacks were unbelievable. the He was never a good QB, but that dude had a legit clutch gene hidden under bad mechanics, poor reads, immaturity, chicken wings and nose-picking.

[@gkstar1768]

🤡🤡 he was coached my jeff fisher thats enough said . He was a goo qb if he was drafted somewhere else

[@hi_austin]

@@gkstar1768 nah. I’ve watched every VY game in his NFL career. He had his moments, but could never cut it as a legit NFL QB.

[@Dudemandudeman19]

This is a friend of a friend account, but I’ve heard the term “dumbest player I’ve ever worked worth” as a term to describe Vince Young.

[@hi_austin]

@@Dudemandudeman19 absolutely believable. That dude never met a word he couldn’t mispronounce consistently. Although that doesn’t stop his comebacks from being incredible.

[@xbotnpc420]

@@Dudemandudeman19 😔 I’ve heard those stories too about VY. He was a Man amongst boys in college, only to be just another man in the NFL.

[@RyanLBrown9396]

Jeff Fisher has ended more QB’s careers than torn ACL’s and shitty O-lines combined

[@RebelTXWrestling]

TRUTH!

[@edman813]

RIP Steve Mcnair

[@ck-1649]

In my opinion, Fisher is fully responsible for Young's career getting screwed

[@TheGreenschuys]

I feel like if the Broncos somehow got him instead of the Titans 100% he'd have at least 1 Super Bowl. Paired with Shanahan's system. Champ Bailey, John Lynch, Brandon Marshall, Rod Smith the O-line featuring Tom Nalen and finally Tatum Bell. Deadly.

[@ck-1649]

And no Josh McDaniels?

[@jddavidson4]

At least, we had CJ2K during that time. I still remember watching the game those pads went into the stands. Felt so surreal.

[@Americalovesme2008]

Its a shame Vince Young never worked out because he was a guy who was entertaining and was a qb that could win football games. The guy to me could have been a better version of Jake Plummer had fate not ruined that. Shame it all went down the way it did from a fans perspective.

[@danceyrselfkleen]

It’s crazy! Love VY. Dudes got to be packing at least eight inches, girthy too. What do you think?

[@Americalovesme2008]

@@danceyrselfkleen Ha ha what do you even say to that? Lol I just think Vince Young never got the chance to shine in the league. He was a winner and would have gotten better with better coaching and a team that believed in him fully.

[@TheDStar4]

Minus the temper tantrums by Vince Young, this situation is almost identical to when I landed my dream job. My boss was beyond toxic and did everything in her power to break me down through covert racism and jealousy. I ended up leaving because of the mental toll it was taking on me. This is a classic example of how management can make or break your career, in any industry.

[@DiabolicalD3]

As a panthers fan who feels USC Texas was one of the greatest college games ever its really sad how Fisher destroyed this man's career

[@mr.anderson9938]

I like how Vince moved on and proved everyone wrong and showed how very very special he really is

[@Chalk89]

LOL, thank you! This video was way too pro-VY.

[@silverfox389]

@@Chalk89 stfu white boy, hate when the black guy is the hero?

[@PoetryJesusY2K]

Jeff Fisher 100% butchered Vince Young’s confidence and any chance he had to living up to his potential

[@grahamcochran5400]

Vince had his ego issues, but that isn't exactly uncommon for QB prospects, and managing egos is why staff get paid millions of dollars. As a Texas fan, VY had all the tools necessary to change the NFL game, but a coach like Fisher is probably about as poor of a match as one could think of. Not suprising it tanked his career, but just sad as a football fan to see such talent wasted.

[@soundmanbk11]

Nogga it nfl everybody got ego ,foh lame boy

[@johnortan1890]

The thing is young actually highly respected his coaches. To this day his high school and college coaches are friends with him. And helped him and mentored him, getting him off the streets, getting him focused on school and football. Tebow was also a sponge willing to learn. Its crazy how the nfl throws out these guys with great leadership, and willing to learn. But keeps selfish greedy punks. Fisher had a guy that wanted to play, wanted to win and was willing to learn. But fisher didn't want to do anything but ruin Young just became fisher was being a baby about the owner getting rid of McNair for Young.

[@sageradtke4616]

Normally beefs have at least a little fun, but this one just makes me sad. Great episode.

[@whitemamba24xe98]

With the new 17 game schedule, it’s gonna be impossible for any team to honor Jeff Fishers legacy by finishing 7-9:(

[@Tacoma1993]

Steelers can

[@whitemamba24xe98]

@@Tacoma1993 7-9-1 just doesn’t have the same ring to it

[@swtchmx]

Steven, I just wanna say your voiceover is incredible. need more of you.

[@BromanderInChief]

I think leaving off that Kerry Collins had a pretty good albeit unspectacular 2008 after Vince’s unfortunate crisis struggles leaves off some important context about the following season, but great video as always regardless.

[@nickhowell7572]

Thank God for more Steven Godfrey, great video!

[@mysteryman0216]

Let’s be honest, Jeff Fisher was a bit salty that Vince beat his USC Trojans in the championship game 😉 in all seriousness though, the fact that you wouldn’t tailor your offense to fit your QBs strengths is always gonna end poorly for you. Stuck being with a more pocket passer friendly QB is gonna burn you when you have as great of a talent as Vince Young. I’m just baffled that Fisher actually said that it was a reflection on the teams effort as a whole for being 0-6 when Collins literally went out there and completed 2 passes for -7 yards. Like, hell no that’s 100% on Collins for not showing up and performing

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

The league for the most has purged itself of the Jeff Fisher type of coaches you still have some like Joe Judge and Brian Flores coaches who talk tough and coach weak but they are almost an extinct breed

[@grinningchicken]

Whats kind of funny is Collins was the OG full of himself QB irresponsible walking out on coaches but he kept getting 2nd chances. Main difference was Vince was actually winning while being a diva.

[@dapperrandomdude2854]

More Steven Godfrey content plz. Loved Foul Play.

[@GLHS592]

Fisher sure made it hard to be a Titans fan. He called the same old tired plays with amazing predictability. How any decent NFL coach lost to the Fisher Titans still amazes me. Fisher was lucky that he had exceptional talent that first year in the new Titans Stadium. The players overcame Fisher's coaching ability and willed them to the Superbowl. The 1999 Titans would have been one of the greatest teams ever if they'd had any coach who was marginally better than Fisher.

[@williamnorthern3379]

Thanks!

[@lukeoaks]

You should make a collapse on the grit n grind grizzlies or the blackhawks team that won 3 cups in 5 years

[@samortmann5003]

The Blackhawks one isn't happening as long as Toews and Kane are there. Plus it might be hard to do a video now with what happened with Brad Aldrich.

[@lukeoaks]

@@samortmann5003 yeah I guess the blackhawks doesn’t really fit the traditional collapse video because instead of losing a bunch of people the hawks kinda just got old

[@ronking5103]

I appreciate the attempt to show both sides of the story. Most people see this as overwhelmingly Fisher's responsibility, and while there is an argument to be made for that, *all* stories have three sides: Yours, Theirs, and the Truth. At the end of the day it should serve as a warning to all front offices and owners of the league. There can only be one voice making decisions. One captain at the helm. Ask the Raiders, Commanders and Cowboys.

[@DANTHEMANREVIEWS]

Always good to come into a beef vid after turkey.

[@joshct9426]

I'll always love VY. People forget about his 1st Rose Bowl because the National Title Rose Bowl was the year later and against the USC machine. What he did to Michigan was unreal, that's my favorite all time game.

[@Jimmy-98513]

You should do a Beef History on Mark Jackson and the Warriors front office. Maybe then people will understand why he got fired.

[@jesserice7777]

(And for Steve Kerr to be thanking Mark for, literally, developing that roster into a title contender.) 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@damienkirksey7026]

Golden Snake Warriors sucks

[@MinutesANdPrincipleslife]

Vince Young will always have my respect 🙏🏾

[@curtisharvey2405]

This all could've avoided if the Texans drafted Young

[@Plasmawarrior]

No way. That organization wastes talent worse than any other team in the NFL.

[@johnortan1890]

@@Plasmawarrior Texans were going 7-9 and 8-8 every year without Young from 07-09. Young would have gotten them 12-4, 14-2 type seasions.

[@Plasmawarrior]

@@johnortan1890 That offensive line was bad for 3 or 4 years. Young may have gotten hype but things really didn't get any traction until 2012 or so. But even I'm going to call out that kind of season with Vince as the QB. MAYBE 11-5 but that's a maybe.

[@HipsterShiningArmor]

@@johnortan1890 Bullshit. Matt Schaub was a very good QB in his own right and wasn't the problem with those teams.

[@johnortan1890]

@@HipsterShiningArmor Schaub did have like 3 solid years. Not taking that away from Schaub.

[@kokoro_gospel]

Since we already have the Collapse episode for the Kurt Warner Rams, I think it's only appropriate to have one for the Fisher-McNair Titans as well.

[@gatorbodine2011]

Beef history: the New York jets beef with winning

[@Evs78101]

Been waiting for this one for years. Way to go

[@churdle92]

Bud was flipping off Ralph Wilson! That’s a deeeep beef history, you should do that one too!

[@larrywilson3904]

that would be great

[@billhogue9523]

I have been a Titans fan from the time they moved from Houston. Fischer wanted Leinart and management wanted Steve McNair 2.0. It never had a chance to work.

[@devydev8481]

That 06 draft class was crazy underrated lowkey

[@acehyatt44]

Vince Young: pulling an Antonio Brown before AB made it cool...

[@DoubleClutch95]

Love how they conveniently left out that in 2008 the Titans started 10-0, went 13-3 & were the #1 seed in the AFC. They lost to the Ravens due to turnovers but did outplay the Ravens in that game, similar to 2000.

[@pluturner893]

It wasn't because of Kerry..... It was a rookie season for Chris Johnson......

[@johnortan1890]

That's because they had a #7 in yards and #2 in points allowed defense that year. Kerry Collins 12 tds was not why they went 13-3 lol. In 06 they had the 32nd defense and 09 they had the 28th defense. Collins went 0-9, 0-3 06, 0-6 09. Young went 16-7, 8-5 in 06, and 8-2 in 09. Then in 2010 horrible defense again, young went 4-4, and without Young the team went 2-6.

[@skippythealien9627]

I totally forgot Eddie George played for the Cowboys lol also RIP Steve McNair

[@jrapreal658]

2:10 Imagine predicting your replacement when he’s only in HS😭😭

[@splashbros-yc9lk]

Mannn imagine a Vince and Chris Johnson read option scheme. That would’ve been hell for defenses especially since they had a good o line.

[@matthewforbes2969]

Collapse: how the unstoppables of Arsenal became “stoppable” Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul Rewinder: the 2006 champions league final that kickstarted one of the greatest eras in Barcelona history Collapse: how the Detroit tigers went from proud playoff contenders to one of the worst teams the mlb Collapse: how the Montreal canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of Lord Stanley for 28 years Beef history: dodgers vs giants Beef history: mayweather vs pacquiao Collapse: how the Los Angeles kings lost the glass slippers after their second Stanley cup championship Rewinder: 2010 World Cup final Untitled: Ted Williams Untitled: Johan Cruyff never winning a World Cup Untitled: dennis bergkamp not winning the champions league Untitled: Don Nelson never coaching a championship team

[@nonamelegend_vapor]

Ooh, we NEED that Don Nelson Untitled

[@austinwanner449]

damn bro youre doing this all for free too

[@lip05]

These are all good ideas

[@aidanlevangie2927]

Yes, more football!⚽⚽⚽, sorry America

[@kencarson666]

also Lakers win 2020, United’s valleys and peaks and Braves 2021 WS need a deeper look

[@mypeople1stwilliam]

Jeff Fisher drove the organization in the ground. This was a good chance to move up from Vince Young’s solid 1st year. Vince should’ve came up behind McNair too.

[@jamaljenkins9977]

5:59 a young Adam Schefter with one less phone 😂

[@WaiLinDot]

Great work as always man! You really have a talent.

[@serisothikos]

Imagine a world where the NFL isn't afflicted by a weird cultish devotion to military ideals.

[@lucaskincanyon7393]

This is definitely on Fisher. Vince was extremely talented and fisher and his “tough love@ only drove wedges between them.”

[@roboninja3194]

Jeff Fisher is a childish petty man. Always has been always will be. Every player needs the support of coaches and teammates around him. Especially the QB. Fisher came out publicly supporting Kerry Colling on numerous occasions back then but would never publicly support Vince. That right there tells the story.

[@MichaelMartin-qe5ye]

So Jeff Fisher gets a letter with Texas letterhead, it probably mentions very specific occurrences and details no one else would know and he doesn't know if it's from Vince Young because it's probably addressed to Coach Fischer? If only there were some way to respond to the letter, maybe the phone number Young included? Jeff Fisher was quoted as saying, "If I want to read something 2 pages long, I'll just look at my playbook."

[@starpoweredstudios7622]

He's an ass who probably blames his unemployment on VY

[@usmnt4423]

Weird. I feel that Houston not taking Vince Young is the real story hidden in here

[@zaneseibert]

They still had confidence in David Carr. This was back when QBs would get a leash longer than 4 years.

[@juicemane7655]

i Smile everytime they Loss since Andre Left. Now that Hopkins gone I celebrate when they lose. Forever hate them

[@clipobserver]

Titans screwed up being trading McNair. They should have kept McNair to mentor Young. Things would have been better even if they kept McNair for a season.

[@047Kenny]

McNair really seemed like a decent dude

[@LeroyBickerstaff-IV]

We all need to appreciate the city of St Louis settling for 790 million just to troll Jeff Fischer one last time.

[@HipsterShiningArmor]

lmao what?? I'm not a Fisher defender but the Rams leaving St Louis had nothing to do with him, that was about Stan Kronke's duplicity and the greed of the NFL as a whole

[@LeroyBickerstaff-IV]

@@HipsterShiningArmor well Jeff Fisher going 7-9 every year definitely didn’t help… or did it? Idk I just like numbers and 790 million is such a random number to settle for. Lol 😂

[@GeneRogers-ti3cs]

Tennessee really drafted Vince Young and Marcus Mariota and didn't tailor the offense to their strengths. Mind boggling.

[@johncate9541]

They should just stop drafting quarterbacks with those skillsets. Ryan Tannehill is perfect for what they like to do, and a better version of Kerry Collins. If you want to play power football with a traditional QB, then get the best one you can find and go with him, and leave the mobile QBs to teams that want them.

[@JimmyMac840]

I’ve been waiting for this!!

[@StAugustine6]

It is a matter-of-fact that Fisher is the worst HC to make a Super Bowl. Everyone has seen that Jared Goff stat floating about, how Goff has never won a game in the NFL without Sean McVay, and that includes 0-7 under Fisher. Compare how Fisher treated Young's mental situation to how the Vikings are handling Everson Griffin right now.

[@RoastGod93]

I met Vince and got an autograph yesterday, reminds me of the good times of madden 08. What could of been.

[@slipamo4309]

Conveniently leaving out that Kerry Collins went 12-3 as the starting qb of the 2008 titans and grabbed the 1 seed just to fit the narrative

[@GodBody-BodyofGod]

You conveniently left out that they were 12-3 in 2008 because of the defense and 2000 yards from CJ2K.

[@MJsCookieFarm]

Can we have more of the excellent Mr Godfrey

[@imthesnakeking]

The jets should hire Jeff fisher, because they'll at least guarantee themselves a 7-9 season.

[@Wergoheb]

You are underestimating the J-E-S-T JEST JEST JEST

[@ff7fanboi]

in earlier madden games i always had vince young as my backup. in all the games he was in i always made sure to have him

[@johnstjohn1987]

I been asking for YEARS can we PLEASE get a Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy BEEF Episode

[@declanssportsdesk]

I’m not f***ing going 7 and 9.

[@danielresendez229]

There 3 people to blame for this failure 1st Jeff Fisher He never wanted vince, didn't want to change his offense to want vince was good at & worst of all letting vince know that he had no faith in him what so ever, you can be the best coach ever but once your player knows you don't like or want them they're gonna shutdown & ignore everything you say 2nd Vince Young Vince was living off the college football stardom too much & should've had a better work ethic, should've realized that he wasn't at Texas anymore 3rd Bud Adams He knew his HC didn't want him, he knew Steve McNair was mentoring Vince, but did everything wrong to make that situation worse, he should've kept Steve so vince could've sat his 1st year learning from a man that he really did respect, than if a year with Steve didn't help vince & Jeff relationship than fire Jeff for a coach who would've worked with vince

[@tboyd5150]

Best comment here. Although I still think Fisher gets too much gate for the VY fiasco, he did make some mistakes. But he's a distant 3rd behind VY and Adams IMO.

[@johnortan1890]

It's hard to blame young though. Especially when he had a coach who hated him, tried to ruin him from the get go, and refused to help or mentor young. Yet with that said, Young went 30-17 with fisher which is the best winning percentage any qb has with fisher as their head coach. That's even better than McNair winning percentage with fisher. The guy wanted to win and worked hard for it, even his rookie year in practice young slapped his receiver in the face who kept dropping balls and messing up routs. Thats some Peyton Manning type leadership right there and young was just a rookie. Young also had 3 seasons with the 32nd ranked defense, 28th, and mid 20s. And in those seasons young still went 20-11, while the team when young was being benched went 1-15 in those seasons without Young. The dude obviously had work ethic, but there isn't much you can work to when no one is coaching him or working with him. So young was basically winging it, and had to work and learn vs nfl defenses by himself since no one else was helping.

[@stuartmccleary]

I’m not gonna lie the owner throwing up the hooks and flicking off the fans in support of you becoming the starter again is pretty badass

[@InterloperBob]

The Titans 13 win 2008 season, Chris Johnson's 2000 yard campaign, and Vince's synergy with CJ in the spread were huge contextual pieces to the relationship, and they help explain why Collins stuck around so long. Baffling creative choice that they were never even mentioned. It seems like this video cherry picked the history to make the team look unsuccessful when in reality, VY had a winning record as a starter by a lot and Collins did to. And if you really wanted to drum up the narrative about the playoffs, why not even mention the loss to Baltimore and Collins role in it? Just very disappointing with how poorly the history was handled here. Between that and missing details on Adams forcing the Young selection, and the rumors that Fisher wanted Cutler, not Lienart, this video is wrong or misleading from beginning to end.

[@warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165]

Yeah, there was a lot of context missing from this video. Maybe I just notice it more because I'm a diehard Titans fan, and I was living and breathing these seasons as they unfolded live. Maybe my memory isn't exactly accurate either. But, I feel like only one side of the story is being told here... somewhat. Normally SBN does better.

[@CheezusChrist1776]

"Quote"

[@jacobkauffman5534]

What “synergy” did VY have with the 2008 season? He started 1 game, played in 3. That season was almost a 100% Collins but really 100% defense and CJ2K. Dirty ratbirds took out Johnson, then got the gift playclock (in addition to crumpler) in the playoff matchup.

[@Damnitjim7]

@@jacobkauffman5534 dirty ratbird fan here...lmfao, agreed

[@JasonSmith-jr7jh]

@@jacobkauffman5534 I'm still pissed off about the "play clock at 0" in that soul crushing game!

[@tylito4764]

I liked VY so much that even when he was a Packers backup I wanted him to succeed as a bears fan