The Dennis Rodman-Gregg Popovich beef was so nasty it could have ruined both their careers

[@LiverpoolFan74]

The rare time that beef ended up beneficial for BOTH parties.

[@Corninthesky]

Ynwa

[@LiverpoolFan74]

@@Corninthesky YES, SIR!!

[@sassmate5033]

8th

[@Sejr0420]

exactly. 10 rings between them is insane

[@aaronpatocs7530]

Medium rare

[@DawryMike]

Gregg Poppovich's military background makes so much sense now looking at how he structured those mid 2000s Spurs team.

[@samortmann5003]

It helped that David Robinson had it too so they could establish that culture.

[@ericvargas7516]

David Robinson was called “the admiral” kinda obvious about the military background haha but seriously I’m a spurs fan so this is not new to me

[@furioussherman7265]

No wonder him and David Robinson worked so well together.

[@outqast]

The military and sports DOES NOT WORK well with american artists or talented athletes ; unless you esrn their trust (which is rare) The Coach demands his due's and respect or trust without earning Sh#%@! However, it does work well *when you have a Time Duncan and David Robinson (Both Military Backgrounds) & both with a military mindset, and then a bunch of foreign players who know nothing different in the NBA OR AMERICA* , What they do know is a military like structured educational system & typically a National Service of Military for 2 years in Spain, France, Italy & Ugoslavia ! (not sure if that remains now? but it did)

[@neildembeck9633]

But it makes you wonder why he's such a wacky left-winger

[@ill-nois2282]

Phil Jackson really got the best out of Dennis Rodman in that 3 peat run with the Bulls. He allowed Dennis to be himself as long as he was willing to put 100% effort in every game. Phil was willing to coach each player individually to get the best out of everyone as each player had different personalities. Pop didn't make any exceptions for any player no matter how talented they were, everyone had to follow the rules of the team. Two completely different coaching styles but great in their own way. Although Rodman had more leeway with the Bulls he still didn't want to let his teammates down, MJ as the leader still held him accountable.

[@chrisplacido4737]

That's a very good point. I never felt like Robinson had the balls to stand up to Rodman. Dennis really needed a peer to guide him. Not the authority figure that a coach is. AJ and Elliott weren't established team leaders yet either.

[@BoosterGoldEarth6]

Rodman didn't do none of these antics in Detroit either.

[@sdelmonte]

MJ is the sort of competitive pain who could make anyone tow the line.

[@Darthtanos]

@@BoosterGoldEarth6 in detroit chuck daly treated rodman like his son, and that made a world of difference for rodman. part of why he fell apart personally after daly left the pistons was that loss of daly's influence in his life.

[@SwordHMX]

Jimmy Johnson was the same way

[@hjluke4807]

Man last week was Jerry vs Jimmy, and this week this… you guys been holding out on us … great job guys!!!

[@lincolnwright7896]

2 legends I never even knew had beef. How different would that era of NBA had been if they got along. Sometimes beef makes everything better

[@ripdeth]

Timmy was better. Even outrebounded worm in their first ever match-up.

[@ITSYABOIDESl]

Without media a lot of stories don’t get shown

[@TMthe33rd]

@@ripdeth well i mean at that period Duncan was a lot younger and definitely bigger than Rodman

[@arizonaFIREent]

​@@ITSYABOIDESl this was very well known in 1995

[@ITSYABOIDESl]

@@arizonaFIREent yea I just meant in general most casual fans wouldn’t know bc there wasn’t as much media

[@paksta]

Rodman's years in Chicago really saved his legacy.

[@hoodyplz]

And having #1 overall pick big men saved pop lol look at his now rodman never had a season as bad as the spurs are rn 😂😂😂

[@Jeffgordonfan24hesthegoat]

@@hoodyplz bruh back into to so many stars like cmon 🤦‍♂️

[@rogb7770]

@@hoodyplz 5 rings little bro

[@hoodyplz]

And how many hof players little bro he should looking like Phil with the rosters he had pipe down

[@hoodyplz]

Tony hof kawhi hof Robinson hof manu borderline rodman hof second he doesn't one of worst teams in basketball stop overrating coaches it's a players league 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@SmoothCriminal12]

I think it's time for George Karl VS Andre Iguodala. When a dude turns down more money and a prime offensive role to be a role player in Golden State, there's a serious problem.

[@sweetangelplus]

You need to watch the episode on Andre Iguodala. They mentioned that.

[@kofiadease9709]

For your consideration: The Prism ft. Andre Iguodala

[@Amick44]

George Karl vs any star he's ever coached. GP may be the exception. Both a little crazy.

[@randomtees]

Geroge Karl: PLAAAY-offs? We're talking about playoffs? PLAAAY-offs?

[@cd6xc]

And Karl accused Iggy of being a mole, that's crazy.

[@deviin6996]

How poetic, and they both end up with 5 titles each. 2 different legends, just complete opposites.

[@badazzfeliciano]

Popovich is a legend. Rodman is most over rated NBA player ever.

[@Atriox-il3mt]

@@badazzfeliciano this has to be one of the most stupid basketball takes I’ve ever seen 💀 pop is a legend but rodman is not the most overrated, he deserves his flowers

[@deviin6996]

@@badazzfeliciano you must be 14 years old to write a comment that stupid, stfu casual

[@jdapaul1351]

​@@badazzfeliciano have you tried grabbing rebounds? No one does it as well as Rodman.

[@badazzfeliciano]

@@jdapaul1351 I never said he wasn't great at rebounding. I don't know what the fk you thinking. But he did was rebound. The man was terrible at scoring and overrated defender who did shady bs and go crazy when he got caught or confronted.

[@patatoa]

Fantastic video! Back in the day, “Popovich and Rodman” were a daily fixture of local San Antonio news. Glad this forgotten drama was re-earthed.

[@randomtees]

And didn't Pop refuse to address the media (which was common back then)? I believe he even refused to do postgame/weekly radio interviews and just passed the buck to Mike Brown.

[@iAintSayDat]

Rodman on the Spurs is one of those things that didn't work that you didn't second guess, you first guessed. I'd bet Pop wanted Rodman gone before the season even started.

[@uncreative5766]

I wonder if this was one of Pop's first forays into managing people. I wonder if Pop was too inexperienced at this stage of his life because Daly and Jackson seemed to be ok with Rodman to a point.

[@iAintSayDat]

@@uncreative5766 I think Rodman was acting even worse than normal because he was mad he didn't get a contract. Jackson openly admitted he had different rules for Rodman than everyone else.

[@lucashenderson2775]

​@@iAintSayDat Not only that, he acted out in Detroit after Daly left. You gotta remember Dennis viewed Daly as basically a father to him since his own dad left him, his mom and his sisters as a kid.

[@elwin38]

@@lucashenderson2775 That's when the "rebellion" started. When Chuck was with Detroit, Dennis hardly had NO tattoos. Maybe a earring. After Chuck left the Pistons, Dennis started getting piercings and tats and carving names and people into his hair(forerunner to dyeing his hair). Rodman's last season in Detroit, he was a mess. Missing practices, he even threatened suicide.

[@lucashenderson2775]

@@elwin38 Yup. Remember reading about that, he said it marked the turning point in his life and he "killed" the old Dennis that night.

[@WaterBottle302]

Love this series. Didn’t know that much about Rodman’s time with the Spurs

[@One.Zero.One101]

This Rodman issue makes Phil Jackson and Jordan even more impressive. Rodman respected Phil because of how he managed him as a player and as a person. Rodman respected Jordan because he was the undisputed leader and alpha male of the wolf pack.

[@brotheldan2009]

what are you 10 years old?

[@WaterBottle302]

@@brotheldan2009 what?

[@PeterOwens1006]

Beef History continues to be one of the best shows on all of KZbin

[@boxermccoy]

is this beef history?

[@tonywong8134]

Rodman, by his own admission, was 6'6". Look at pictures of him next to 6'7" Pippen and 6'5" Jordan. Barely looked taller than Jordan. Which makes his rebounding ability more impressive. Probably the best pound for pound rebounder in the history of the game.

[@lakernation26]

Jordan is 6’6 pippen 6’8 wym lmaoo

[@tonywong8134]

@@lakernation26 Yeah, in thick basketball shoes.

[@thomasriishojgaard5677]

@@tonywong8134 but ... isn't rodman also in thick basketball shoes??

[@tonywong8134]

@@thomasriishojgaard5677 They all are...some have extra thick orthotics too. When athletes give away their shoes they keep their orthotics. You'll see them take it out of their shoes...it's been popular these last 10 years.

[@Capybara_Sloth]

My biggest grievance was him not doubling Hakeem which led to David getting embarrassed

[@brianlara6451]

The way Rodman played shaq 1 on 1 he could have played Hakeem (who I think is the real goat) at the time he was probably the only guy in the league who could play Hakeem straight up

[@SeanGrady90]

Brian Lara, maybe maybe not. But if every player refused to execute the game plan when they want the coach to do something else, no NBA game would ever get completed. Professionalism and thinking about what’s best for the team were not on Rodman’s mind at all during that series; and that says a lot about his character, to me.

[@brianlara6451]

@@SeanGrady90 there are a lot of tall people who can’t rebound a basketball. Rodman was the best in the nba at it. Not many people people can say they were the best anything. All his teammates talk about his crazy conditioning and excellent play (he played hard) that says more about his character I think. Not everyone fits in a box. Rodman was one of strongest dudes to ever play he definitely could have played Hakeem one on one. Whether he stops him from scoring like he did shaq is another story.

[@mythtek1]

The real issue is the Spurs roster not being deep enough. The Spurs were carried by Robinson Offensively and Defensively. Rodman was big help on Defense and Elliott provided some D but other than that The Rockets exposed the Spurs by doubling and tripling Robinson and Robinson just wasn’t fresh enough to guard Olajuwon 1 on 1.

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

@@brianlara6451 there’s “not fitting in a box” and then there’s intentionally sabotaging a coach’s game plan on how to defend the league MVP in the playoffs. There is no “ok we’ll Dennis is just being Dennis” with that sort of transgression.

[@ronque23]

Worked out well for both of them! Thanks, Pop! We loved having Dennis on the Bulls!

[@zlinedavid]

And that was the right environment for him. “Here Dennis, just rebound and play D…Michael and Scottie got the rest.”

[@mrmacross]

@@zlinedavid And the coach will smoke whatever herb with you, if you're into that sort of thing.

[@Wesley771000]

Pop was a tight ass back then.

[@chrislewis5069]

Having seen a documentary, Dennis was devastated after being traded and felt a tremendous sense of family on Detroit. I think he kind of felt like he lost his family and started to act out

[@KasonWhitsell]

Rodman is just an insane athlete, and a GENIUS of the game. The dude would study rebound patterns to position better at the rim. He didn’t need to practice, and letting him do his drugs and partying won MJ 3 more 😂

[@guidovalli7823]

This beef history missed on mentioning the most damming thing Rodman did. During the Houston series he refused to help on defense vs Hakeem, while Hakeem was getting help from teammates to defend Robinson. He basically sabotaged the Spurs game plan because he didn't agree with it.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

I've noticed they often do this in Beef videos they don't mention some stuff that adds further context. Always at least something brought up in the comments that should've been discussed but is left out for some reason.

[@mr.j.2822]

Well, read Rodman’s book and you’ll see. If Robinson was the MVP, let him prove himself.

[@juliusroxas2108]

Dennis felt helping on Hakeem would leave Houston other shooters open.

[@guidovalli7823]

​@@mr.j.2822 Robinson was facing another MVP in Hakeem. He wasn't receiving helped by his best defender teammate, Hakeem did recieved that help. Guess which team won the series and ended up winning a ring, the team which helped his MVP center following the gameplan or the one that didn't.

[@dr.aisaitl7439]

I think Rodman actually had a point but handled the situation in the worst way possible. His POV was that contesting Hakeem in the first would put him at risk for foul trouble and he didn’t want to abandon his guy to be open. He was willing to do it in the second half but not the first and his coaches before followed that system

[@FTWKGaming]

Why didn't you touch on Rodman's relationship with Chuck Daly and how Daly leaving the Pistons basically sent Rodman spiralng ?

[@nvm9040]

Also Rodman dyed his hair because he wanted to do something different after he almost offed himself

[@awelch31]

Probably because it’s a 14 minute video. There’s a million things you could add when talking about Rodman.

[@BadTV1993]

straight up..Daly kept Rodman from unaliving himself in Detroit & was like a surrogate father to him there.,,

[@33bigmoney]

daily said that Petrovic was the hardest worker after Rodman which means alot since petro was a work freak

[@melvinhhcp3615]

R.I.P. Chuck Daly 💯🙏🏽. I always liked him, even as a Laker fan.

[@Evs78101]

As a lifelong spurs fan I actually enjoyed Rodmans time on the spurs. Say what ya will about the guy but Rodman was a defensive/rebounding force!

[@aceassn716]

Now if you’ll excuse me Buck Nasty mama needs more water in her dish 😅😂🤣

[@Evs78101]

@@aceassn716 the most diabolical haters this side of the Mississippi

[@jonshaqqir4575]

He’s a psycho. Ppl love him for the nostalgia. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be caught dead around him.

[@David-iv6je]

His record in his prime showed that. Still needed to show up and play with his team to win. Somehow Phil Jackson, MJ and Scottie managed that.

[@theecharmingbilly]

That's pretty much what everybody says about him, though.

[@sirgogetter]

I vaguely remember Rodman's time in San Antonio in the 95 season because he was just so insanely eccentric with the wide array of hair colors every game and media hoopla surrounding him. Even in my youth, it was easy to see that he had the personality that might not have been easy to deal with, but you could also get the sense he had immense value and ability as a basketball player to warrant dealing what came with his persona. His going to Chicago a year later proved to be the final piece to what was a perfect storm of characters for one of the most accomplished and fascinating teams ever. And yet it was always easy to understand how some could have had doubts about Rodman's fit on that Bulls team before they took off, given how things went in SA - not to mention his contentious history with the team as a former "Bad Boy" Piston. As I watched this video, I couldn't help but also think of how both the Bulls and Pistons were able to establish a better balance of leadership and freedom with Rodman to the point where his abilities AND character shined. Sometimes, the ultra-disciplinary and militaristic style of instruction just isn't ideal for someone, but that isn't to say that Popovich's approach was wrong in a more general sense. I'm also reminded of Rodman once saying he wasn't particularly fond of Robinson's usage of his devout faith as a means of trying to lead him, perhaps another stark contrast when compared to MJ's and Isiah Thomas' "win by any means necessary" style of on-court leadership. Again, no knock on The Admiral for his leadership ability or especially his faith; they, too, have proven quite successful for him and other teammates over the years. I guess my point is there's just simply no "one size fits all" way to lead, and Rodman is perhaps the most startling example in sports of how much a leadership style can impact another's fit within an organization and the importance of having some flexibility from time to time. Still, this is a rare slice of beef where nearly everyone involved did extraordinarily well after the dust cleared and the parties went their separate ways. Thoroughly enjoyed this video!

[@doctorx1924]

Rodman was a basket case. He got traded to the Spurs right after he threatened to kill himself. He was also depressed that his ex wife kept his daughter away from him. He took out all of his frustrations during that time period on the Spurs. Whereas on the Bulls he knew he had to be on good behavior to stay in the league and that's why it worked out. Rodman also couldn't last in the league after he left the bulls due to being eccentric and out of control. He got kicked off both the Lakers, Mavs.

[@panner11]

I agree that there's no one right way to lead. But I don't think flexibility would've worked with Rodman. If Popovich and the org was built around discipline, you can't allow one person to be exempt from the rules. Otherwise, what's to stop the other players from doing the same. If your peer is allowed to do whatever they want, and you have to follow all the restrictions, would you buy into that system? At the end of the day, Phil Jackson "the Zen master" lax way of handling people vibed with Rodman more so it was a good fit. But you can't expect the Spurs to do the same. Rodman isn't the type of player where you change your whole organization's ideology around. Maybe for an MJ level player, you do that, but not Rodman. Rodman just found a place better fit for him and that was best for everyone.

[@MeMe-td1ye]

Thanks for essay

[@OrionOodama]

Love the presentation (if I may) and great points.

[@kuunami]

This is the best docu style sports channel on KZbin

[@Monkeysinthesummer]

Rodmans ability to take an about .500 team to 33-9 while playing for a coach who he had a tumultuous relationship with proves how great he really was. I think he could have done so much more but I think he really just enjoyed that Bulls ride and kind of enjoyed being the #3 guy as it gave him more freedom to mess around and be himself.

[@desert_sky_guy]

Absolute A+ sports journalism right here! I'm a lifelong Spurs fan, career sports journalist and hardcore fan/student of the NBA going back to when SA drafted David Robinson. This was one hell of an accurate and savagely real trip down memory lane, LOL.

[@BondandBourne]

Can’t wait for a beef history on Ben Simmons vs the 3 point line

[@CCEkeke]

Rodman's time with the Spurs was when I first discovered him. Always cool to find out why certain situations didn't work out.

[@SwordHMX]

10:06 - Olajuwon did that every center on the game for a decade.

[@DASCO2136]

If there’s an alternative universe where Pop and Rodman are successful, then that same universe also has Isiah Thomas and MJ as best friends despite the Bulls-Pistons rivalry

[@havok5538]

You should've worked for Marvel Comics.... You missed your calling😅😅

[@konstantinkoverchenko9587]

Also Penny, T-Mac and Grant Hill never had major injuries. Webber won a NCAA title. Shaq has a high free throw percentage. The bulls lost the 92 finals. Rodman won the 96 playoff mvp. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@havok5538]

@@konstantinkoverchenko9587 I was with you until you had Shaq Shooting 80 - 90% from the Free Throw His Teams would've won 8 - 10 Titles

[@andreitaker3527]

The only way for the Isiah-MJ beef won't happen is if the Isiah Join his hometown team the Chicago bulls. I think part of the beef is that Isiah Get upstage by Jordan in his own native city.

[@raahmeanskingg]

fined for wearing blue jeans on a team flight? that was insane. I know Rodman can be crazy as hell but that one was PETTY ASF

[@catcountry0099]

the league was so strict with dress code back then, they probably wanted him in a suit or something

[@DAce-vu5ct]

Facts its ridiculous and I'm a spurs fan

[@churdle92]

Thank you for the personalized shoutout in past videos, Clara. That made this one bearable.

[@jluchette]

Love these, Clara! Let’s go SB!

[@edenhazardfan1232]

Day 6 : Can you pls do The 2005 CL final deserves a deep rewind and you should also do one on Troy Deeney's last minute goal against Leicester in the semi-finals of the Championship Play-offs in 2013

[@cinctastudios]

Need this

[@JECZ23]

​@@cinctastudios Not really

[@pogboom5819]

lame for both

[@gibullian36]

@@JECZ23 shut up american

[@MrAjking808]

The begging comes off cringe asf

[@KWCline91]

Third week in a row we got a Texas-sized beef.

[@Armando_Brown32]

It should be noted Avery Johnson had as much beef if not more with Rodman than Pop did. Avery pushing his religious views and judgment onto Rodman (not to mention having extreme influence over Robinson and Pop) is something that doesn’t get mentioned. Rodman being constantly chastised by Avery for not going to church, reading the Bible, drinking, “fornicating”, etc is why Rodzilla hated his time with the Spurs more than anything to do with Pop.

[@eoofun5243]

How are these free!!! Whoever works on this and voices it…. You all are the real mvp. And I would never have beef with any of you.

[@charlesc.b2435]

34 Techs in a season is wild!!! I remember his season with the Spurs really vividly I was 8 to 9 years old that season but he had a game vs the Mavs were he had 32 REBOUNDS!!! This man was just different.

[@tiltwang2323]

Elite is an understatement! The dude is one of the greatest defender and the greatest rebounder ever

[@ImAlxxy]

If defense was respected more he'd be a top ten all time IMO

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

​@@ImAlxxy He's not even a top ten defender. Defense is respected. Russell, Hakeem, KAJ, Jordan, Wilt etc all elite defenders. Players who are more just Defensive specialists aren't that impactful because they aren't complete Players. Wallace, Rodman, Bobby Jones etc.

[@OtherDAS]

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Only compare for his time, because that is the comparison that counts towards his play. And rebounding is what he is known for.

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

@@OtherDAS Rodman is overrated defender imo, great just not top 10 or the best like many believe.

[@OtherDAS]

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Best of all time? Or top 10 Best in the era he played? Or even best of those who were not the number one star and wouldn't get traded? Let's not forget the rebounding either, that too was key.

[@jtiza]

Clara has been crushing it! I've really been loving her writing and narration. Kudos to the whole SB crew for the great stuff.

[@SwordHMX]

2:07 - I don't think losing to the 90s Utah Jazz with only two games difference in record and the second-best player gone is a failure to deliver.

[@ja8ames]

The 94-95 season was tremendously frustrating from the perspective of a Spurs fan. They really weren't very far from winning a title that year. You have to credit Houston for their magnificent playoff performance, but it's also good to have some context for San Antonio having been such a good team, and yet falling short.

[@linx2024]

Love this channel

[@yb3604]

absolutely fantastic piece well written, edited and delivered good lookin

[@marcomcdowell8861]

Irony is that Worm is clean-cut and sober now, Pop looks like a mad scientist that just rolled out of bed.

[@jamesspalten5977]

Pop looks like crap. Acts like crap, too! Turns his press conferences into a political op ed piece.

[@slightexag]

Rodman is the kind of guy who would be infuriating in basically any job. I'm not military or anything, but his antics would make me insane if i were in the front office.

[@shorewall]

It's tough because if you let him slide, which is good if you want to get the best out of him, then the rest of the team will want that kind of treatment too, which they may not deserve. His attitude would only fit on certain teams. Other teams he would be a team killer.

[@One.Zero.One101]

It's really impressive how Phil Jackson made it work. It's such an impossible situation. You want to discipline him but you also need him to win. You have someone who doesn't fit a regimented life but you also don't want him to be late in practices and games.

[@johndebono1870]

@@One.Zero.One101 I think it works with Jackson is because he had MJ and Kobe to essentially be the strict parent keeping guys like Rodman or Artest in line when they acted out. Pop's style clearly worked in his own right, but having an introverted guy like Duncan or nicest NBA player ever David Robinson as your alpha doesn't really work when you need someone else to be the comparative hard ass.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

I think this is one of those pairings where everyone at the time knew this was a terrible partnership from day 1. In the end it worked out for everyone doesn't always happen that way.

[@kapowjam3462]

"If they had just been totally different people" 😂 very true! Good night and good game

[@samortmann5003]

Can you guys release the soundtrack you use to make your videos? I really enjoy some of the music you use for beef history.

[@0-Elias-0]

Bulls fans loved Rodman. All of his eccentricities were just comic relief (which was much needed; given the intensely close playoff runs we went on). Nevertheless, I bet we can all see how much of a handful he could be for other organizations.

[@Dan_Boston]

I didn’t know Rodmans San Antonio stop came before his Chicago run. also didn’t realize Larry Brown had coached the Spurs. None of this 🥩 is too surprising though. especially after the “last dance.“ note: Rodman wanted #69 on the Mavericks. David Stern vetoed this & he had to settle w 70 lol

[@randomtees]

Pop got his first NBA job b/c of Brown. They'd met through Dean Smith back in the mid-80s. Pop was a D3 coach at a consortium of 2 small, prestigious liberal arts schools. In 88 when Brown left Kansas to take the Spurs job, Pop's wife convinced him to call Brown and ask if he had a spot in San Antonio. Brown ended up giving him the lead assistant job and 5 years later he was a GM (then 2 years after that, he was a head coach). Imagine if that happened today.

[@blakewu1375]

Another solid piece of interesting NBA history without a lot of biased "narratives" and dumb opinions...good job!

[@Superamp777]

This beef helped Jordan and his legacy. They don’t win without Rodman. This is crazy. A beef that ended well for both parties. Rodman got three chips, Pop got 5

[@chrisricks6363]

Rodman 2 with Detroit, 3 with Chicago

[@thomasriishojgaard5677]

@@chrisricks6363 He means after the beef break up. Pop and the spurs had nothing to do with Rodman's chips in Detroit.

[@CaptainKaveman79]

That was gangsta, love how you broke it down, take care and God bless you 🙏🎓

[@josephperkins6625]

Rodman is one of my all time favorite players. The man just hustled and did all the dirty work

[@Spikelangelo]

Clara is awesome, I love your videos

[@heychiyu1]

As a follow up episode, I'd like to see a comparison of the beef between Pop vs Kawaii Leonard. Or how Phil Jackson was able to let Rodman and succeed.

[@furioussherman7265]

There've already been two videos on the Pop/Kawhi beef.

[@heychiyu1]

@@furioussherman7265 no, I mean a comparison and contrasting of those two videos.

[@andreitaker3527]

Rodman and Phil succeeded because they let him be and they didn't care about his antics because they are winning. It also help that Rodman get you 15 rebounds in 25 mins. It also helo that the freaking goat lead your team.

[@aaronstone2342]

Great videos guys one of the best channels on KZbin

[@CliffPierson777]

"Rodman wasn't a distraction as much as he was a dirty bomb" - Bill Simmons regarding Rodman during the 1994 and 1995 playoffs with the spurs

[@dash_r_media]

There's a lot about Bill Simmons I don't like, but sometimes he nails it. This is one of those times.

[@MrBmick79]

@@dash_r_media one of those few times

[@randomtees]

In the next line, did Simmons give an anecdote of when [so and so] player was perfectly managed under that forward-thinking, innovative, MENSA-certified GM by the name of Daryl Morey?

[@CliffPierson777]

@@dash_r_media I love his "Book of Basketball" although I think he is way too harsh on Ewing, Karl Malone and Clyde Drexler

[@dash_r_media]

@@CliffPierson777 One of the many things I hated about that book was his HOF Pyramid: 1) He wanted a fixed number (96) of honorees, meaning people eventually get thrown out 2) There were more players in the highest level than in the level below that, which makes little sense 3) Most people go to a HOF to look at exhibits of the best players; that highest level of the Pyramid is going to be mighty crowded

[@bioshcok21]

You guys are the perfect channel to eat too

[@senorfish2503]

*to

[@hawks4evr147]

babe wake up new beef history just dropped

[@pappagetti]

I'm no sports encyclopedia, but the time with the Spurs is when Rodman became extremely popular.. I'm not talking about amongst sports peers and fans because he already had two titles by that time. I mean this was when he became a '90's pop culture figure. People now seem to think that all happened when he went to Chicago. He was a superstar when he got there.

[@whaddyathink949]

Yea the NBA JAM game came out w/ blonde Rodman on the Spurs, & they were one of the strongest teams in the game. That alone was completely inescapable, at the time.

[@makeit-takeit6707]

They both succeeded, despite each other, and that's the way of the world. Salute, to them both.👍

[@joedonato3034]

Imagine Rodman on the spurs championship team in 99. That would be the best team ever if u added Rodman to Duncan and Robinson

[@joyis9638]

Other than drafting Darko #2, this was the worst Piston GM mistake ever. Trading John Salley for nothing which then infuriated Rodman who then forced himself out of Detroit for Shawn Elliot who was nowhere near as good and left the team to return to Spurs a year later. I feel physically sick b/c it ended up helping MJ and the Bulls. Oh well, it just goes to prove that the Bad Boys DID have great HOF players and WERE 1 of the best teams of all time.

[@JSusa440]

Rodman looked so good in that black #10 Spurs jersey. It's like he was meant to wear it. I like what Sochan is doing today with Spurs, wearing the #10 and coloring his hair yellow like Rodman. I sometimes think that's Dennis out there when I see Sochan playing lol. Those 94-95 Spurs teams had a unique set of characters

[@rodman9121]

at 8:28, the Herald's newspaper column has it wrong. the Spurs did NOT add Wesley Person, they added Chuck Person for the 94-95 season (Wesley was a rookie for that season, he was drafted by Phoenix and played his first 3 years there). It seems odd to see Sean Elliott's name there, as I'm sure in everyone's heart he is a total Spur, but the year before he was traded to Detroit to get Rodman 🙂 (and then for 94-95 season he was re-traded back to the Spurs [Detroit got Bill Curley 😄])

[@Los150]

Clara Morris is the Beef History 🐐

[@yomamasofat77]

One can argue Rodman should have been the Finals MVP in 1996. His offensive rebounds was what helped the Bulls win the championship.

[@broderickhennington5336]

I'm in the military and I respect discipline as much as anyone, but strangely, Rodman is my favorite basketball player. On the court, he was tough and laid it on the line. He was a product of the 80s style. He also provided defense and offensive sparks through offensive rebounding and more than occasional scoring. Pop was wrong in how he handled Dennis; as a Spurs fan, I have lost respect for him.

[@JJermane]

As a guy who grew up during this time, this was on POINT!!!

[@chitownsuperfan]

As a bulls fan, I am eternally grateful to pop for being a tight-ass with rodman. Much appreciated!

[@char6364]

As a Spurs fan, I'm eternally grateful Rodman was an unreliable drama-queen otherwise they'd likely still be stuck on zero championships.

[@mrmacross]

@@char6364 So, are you also grateful for Robinson's back injury in 1997?

[@char6364]

@@mrmacross You're offering apples for my oranges. I do not accept this trade.

[@mrmacross]

@@char6364 The path to championships sometimes is a bizarre route.

[@AndriaRiza]

Superb as always

[@mrhumble2937]

Phil Jackson is the greatest coach ever not just because of 11 rings. He managed these personalities. A totally crazy Rodman. Jordan Shaq Kobe Ron Artest.

[@TMthe33rd]

I think it was because Phil was once a player in the 70s that's why these "personalities" respected him Also he himself was quite wild when i read his stories (mainly his weed smoking stories lol)

[@blowc1612]

That was his greatest asset. He also lucked out that he listened to Krause and got close to Tex Winters. Phil wasn't that great at the X and Os.

[@blowc1612]

​@@TMthe33rd Phil is a hippie that's why lol.

[@jesserice7777]

(Arguably.) 😒

[@CrazyxEnigma]

It depends on what you value slightly more to give Phil or Pop the edge. Being a Lakers fan I definitely think managing egos is more important, of course Phil retired before the NBA landscape changed so we'll never know if he could've adapted like Pop did.

[@DezzyYBR]

“It’s something else…” *cue title* Absolutely brilliant Lmfaoo😭😂

[@KingGemini]

Imagine how drastically different history would be if they actually LIKED each other. Chicago's second three-peat probably wouldn't have happened, the Spurs would likely draft someone other than Tim Duncan, and who knows what else

[@AwfulLotOfSmoke]

If my cat could bark, it’d be my dog

[@omarkbiri3717]

Fav Voice Over x Fav Coach x one of my fav athletes ❤

[@catchcan221]

As a Bulls fan I want to say thank you to San Antonio.

[@ernieestrada193]

I'm gonna gladly left because I don't see him getting along with Tim Duncan and manu ginobili Parker

[@brotheldan2009]

@@ernieestrada193 yeah all a bunch of nerds

[@ernieestrada193]

Well how does the old sango today's nerd tomorrow's boss

[@vich3359]

You're welcome. Bulls and Raptors both owe us half their rings 😂 Spurs blessed them.

[@danielchand944]

As a Spurs fan, you're welcome.

[@mowens32]

great analysis. interesting it worked out for both of them

[@allank8497]

then there was the stuff about the Spurs wanting to have Rodman double team Olajuwon, but Rodman refused and Robinson got cooked trying single coverage against him

[@jaredthehawk3870]

Sadly, with the way Hakeem was playing in the post-season, Rodman wouldn't have helped much. In fact, trying to double team Dream would have just left one of the shooters open, and Hakeem would immediately kick it out to someone Iike Kenny, Horry, Cassell, or Elie and they'd sink the three. This plus Hakeem schooling Robinson won that series for Houston. Rodman also had his hands full with Drexler as well.

[@allank8497]

@@jaredthehawk3870 meh, olajuwon's playmaking is very overrated, imo. in other series those runswhere they doubled him more, true he did create a lot fo shots for teammates, but he also tried to shoot over the double a lot. His vision was v limited, but its made up for with his almost unmatched difficult shot making

[@solascriptura-e7t]

Two of my favorite-- and the best-- NBA minds...ever.

[@ec5657]

As a Bulls fan, I am forever grateful for this beef. We couldn't have completed the second 3-peat without Rodman!

[@PeterMagargee]

Glad you got him! I watched live those games live he was poison for the other on the team. With him gone set in motion the 5 Championship rings PoP has! 😎

[@danielntumba5980]

@@PeterMagargeerodman has 5 rings too btw

[@droid7]

Clara morris is the goat of beef history 🙏

[@ken5jk]

One thing mentioned in Rodman's book was that Popovich had been micromanaging the head coach as he himself wanted to be a head coach so much. Might be true as he made himself the head coach years after.

[@whaddyathink949]

Yep! Fired the coach; appointed himself, threw the rest of the season, & paid whatever bribe was needed to draft Duncan even though the Spurs could only get down to the third worst team that year...I remember it well b/c it all seemed pretty sketchy at the time.

[@j-real7233]

Pop was still new & growing in his roles. I think a more experienced Pop would've found a balance in handling Rodman.

[@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498]

Beef History: Kobe Bryant vs Shaq and Everyone

[@tylerriley2587]

Must see

[@desmondmilesful]

This is the greatest lesson. sometimes your way isn't the best way for everyone. success can be achieved as long as you be true to yourself and move forward instead of hanging on to the past.

[@MisticStyles]

1:52 why not let the guy come late and headbutt a few people? I lol'd

[@bmla88]

Greg Poppovich later screwed bob hill. At the start of the 1996-1997 season David robinson was injured (back) so pop let hill coach the bad, injured spurs team to a 3-15 record and once robinson was ready to return he fired hill and made himself coach. Robinson got injured again (foot), this time for the season, pop went 17-47 and they ended up with Tim Duncan. Still, he screwed Hill.

[@baghdadbaby5379]

Tim Duncan saved G Pop coaching career

[@jamesspalten5977]

Look at his record since Duncan retired.

[@That1GuyUNo]

So random my city’s newspaper reference for a video on my favorite team and coach 5:14 lol ..Fresno Cal

[@nicolasfurger1032]

I’ll just watch this great video with a cold glass of Blue Moon.

[@robertl3592]

Imagine the nightmare of what could have been if Rod worried out, David, Timmy & Dennis. Good luck grabbing a rebound when all three of them were on the floor

[@CaptainLumpyDog]

As a noob to the world of basketball, this was a FANTASTIC documentary! Especially since I’ve been meaning to learn more about Rodman.

[@K0TK0]

Will Perdue just casually catching 15 strays in this video 💀

[@itshows1825]

He was on 4 championship teams. I don't think he'll mind.

[@t-jacked8166]

Imagine being an employer and having an employee like Rodman, tough situation.

[@KClouisville]

You just have to cut your losses, which is what Popovich did. Even if a person is super talented it's not sustainable for an organization, especially a sports team, to keep a guy like that long-term. Even with the success he had in Chicago, if he, Pippen and Jordan were all younger players on a team, I'd still bet he'd only last 4-5 years max.

[@errolsessoms3453]

I enjoy it keep up the good work

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

Dennis the Menace is the GOAT NBA personality. Just an all around entertaining individual.

[@rodneycooperjr3223]

Ha. GOAT conversations are starting to sound like "everyone gets a trophy". Everybody is a "GOAT" of something 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@edenhazardfan1232]

@@rodneycooperjr3223 if thats the case ben simmons is the goat at missing shots

[@blowc1612]

​@@rodneycooperjr3223 well yeah, there has to be GOAT at something. The greatest of all time.... You sound just like a whiner and was never great at anything.

[@blowc1612]

​@@edenhazardfan1232 you mean NOT SHOOTING. Westbrick is the GOAT at missing shots, it's in the name.

[@catcountry0099]

@@rodneycooperjr3223 he just means he got the best personality its not that deep. No need to get in your feelings.

[@Maxtrash69]

Rodman doing all this with the spurs is my 1st time hearing any of it. Crazy how history gets told.

[@El_TigreNegro]

Giving up a championship run just to punish Dennis Rodman is crazy 😂

[@dylanstack8710]

Pop had such cohesive teams for such a long time. Always fundamental and playing as a unit. I think he’s the 🐐

[@DensDaPens]

The way he dealt with Rodman tells me otherwise. That's why Phil Jackson is the GOAT in my book. Pop definitely learned to be a little more flexible as time went by, but the way PJ managed personalities and egos of mega talented divas is a skill not many has.

[@djdc1970]

@@DensDaPens 100% Dude, can you imagine Rodman telling Pop “I need to take off” in the middle of the season????

[@ΚωνσταντίνοςΚολοβός-ζ4χ]

​​​​@@DensDaPens It's the best coach only because he was excellent at managing egos? Pop managed egos at a good point, was the best tactician for at least 15 years in the NBA and he found talent that no one else saw. Changed his style of play at least three times in order to succeed. I'm not saying that Phil was bad, but come on, he played the style of play that his revolutionary assistant made. He had Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Pippen and a lot more. Pop saw talent before anyone and made a system and rolww for everyone. I tell this to everyone: without Pop, Parker, Manu, Malik Rose, Stephen Jackson, Leonard, Splitter, Mills and many many more would be DNPed. Parker was 19 when he came to NBA, no one except from the Spurs would like to develop him for 3-4 years about the myth that international players were soft. Manu came ready talent wise. He was super star in Europe but needed to time to process the kind of play in the league. Of course both in their respective teams in their prime years except from the Spurs would be 8+ All stars at least. Pop adapted, at some point he had BRYN FORBES as a starting pg and still made the playoffs. I love Forbes but are you kidding me, he made the post season having him as starter pg for 10+. I almost forgot, he also made Murray a good player. Triangle offense it's about the star power you have and when this system fanted, Phil was out of the league. Now that the Spurs are bad, Pop is trying to develop player and find the next franchise man. But you can't tell me with a straight face that if his has a great team in two year that he can't for the chip.

[@dylanstack8710]

@@DensDaPens I mean success is the best argument and Phil had a lot of success but so did Pop without having basically the best players to ever play on his team. Duncan is all time but Shaq, Mj and Kobe.

[@malcorub]

Guys like Rodman and Stephen Jackson just aren't "system guys" like the other Spurs, this is why where was conflict. Lets see how young Wemby does in Pop's system.

[@martymcfly6015]

Karl Malone vs his love child that just so happen to make it to the NFL

[@ripdeth]

*child of statutory rape.