SEES VS Investigation Team VS Phantom Thieves

Ya boys Fither and Flair Guy spent half an hour discussing the abilities, equipment, feats and tactical know-how of the various Persona teams in order to decide which group is the strongest. It is guaranteed to be a real doozy of a slobberknocker.
Come @ me; @fitherfith

[@Fitherfith]

Some stuff I wanted to add after reading some of the comments, particularly regarding the thieves' guns and lmao P3 guy has Armageddon. I think the idea that the thieves' guns won't work in this fight because they're 'not real' is totally missing the point. Of course they're not real, but in the metaverse (which is where they're fighting) they totally work as guns because the enemies believe they're guns. The more intelligent response to this is 'they don't work because SEES/IT could tell they are fake', which is very possible however you have to remember these are extremely lifelike guns, so much so that Iwai is getting himself into some shit for selling fake guns that look so real. If I shot you with a gun that looks real and for all intents and purposes shot a real bullet, your first instinct wouldnt be to stop and think 'this is a fake gun.' And even if they do somehow figure out they're fake, Goro was clearly extremely well aware of the fact that their weaponry is all fake (he uses a fake gun himself when he's in his Crow outfit), yet in the boss fight against him the guns work completely fine. It's fair to argue that Goro was losing his mind (he totally was) or its just a gameplay thing, but either way if a guy who factually knows the weapons aren't real still gets hurt by them then SEES/IT most certainly would. As for the other thing, I totally just forgot I wasn't trying to undermine my boy 3-kun. It's extremely weird to try and figure out a mechanical damage wipe like that, since in a not turn/damage based fight like this it's difficult to figure out how deadly this would necessarily be. Obviously its an absurdly potent attack but how big is its range? Maragidyne is an attack that hits 'everything' but theres no conceivable way it has an effective range of 'the whole fucking arena', same thing applies for Armageddon. And if he does do it, are his teammates safe from the utter destruction he would unleash, or is this going by pussy rules where teammates cant hurt each other? Plus Armageddon uses every single bit of his SP, so if he does use it he's gonna be fucking tired. It's a pretty weird situation to try and figure out so I guess it's up to your interpretation, if you think Armageddon is a wipe then P3 wins, if not then the results are about the same. Ok thank u.

[@Biscuittwo]

Fither I love you you fucking nerd

[@AyameAkito]

Actually if P3 main character use armageddon then Futaba will just flip her middle finger in his general direction and use her definitive barrier move that negates all incoming damage (And can stop the attacks from Yaldabaoth) soo Armageddon isn't much of a thing against them, also Futaba can re-arrange reality inside the metaverse creating advantages when the Phanton thieves are surprised which gives them the oportunity to use an All-out-Attack and she continuosly buff and heals everyone during fights.

[@xerdax9102]

Was just about to write the same about Futaba. Even P4 team could avoid armageddon thanks to Naoto's "Shield of Justice".

[@charielity6071]

If you include final boss feats, P5 still wins because if Minato ever stops concentrating, they are all gonna die.

[@Kairnbull]

Fither wait. i just thought of something. what if IT and SEES learned to do the baton passes and harisen recoveries

[@sasakikojiro2075]

The winner is the Phantom thieves because Morgana would tell the other groups that they are to tired to fight and have to go to sleep.

[@aaaa-gl9vd]

gg

[@CKing97]

Bob Stevens /thread

[@noticeme6412]

"Lets not do that today"- Morgana

[@Pandamon1um03]

Lol true

[@arsenelupin5424]

Then just use mapsiodyne and get a technical and all out attack rinse, repeat, victory

[@masoncooper8830]

"the investigation teams downfall is that they dont think"-Fither "Don't think. Feel" -Chie

[@Dadan-dan]

Mason Cooper "Yeah, let's se how you fell after a bullet hail" - Joker

[@VainerCactus0]

Yusuke- Yes, i think i will call my piece... brutal murder. Ryuji! please adopt a more aesthetically suitable pose.

[@Fitherfith]

canon

[@VainerCactus0]

XD

[@masoncooper8830]

Fither I've been waiting for this!

[@gungisgrand225]

SEES: "we must investigate the 13th hour phenomenon" Investigation team: "we must find out who is the culprit behind all these local murders" Phantom Theives: "bruh we live in a society"

[@poiigf7344]

Then they all danced

[@renamamiya5997]

@@poiigf7344 It do be like that sometimes

[@rupturedtides4831]

@@renamamiya5997 just your casual Sunday night.

[@Mojo1356]

A society that sucks.

[@gungisgrand225]

@@Mojo1356 oh look we got mr gamer man over here

[@lancesmites346]

"Do we include Goro in this?" *sweats in Royal*

[@Loki-wd2ib]

Don't worry. Video game logic dictates that the playable character is not at all like the boss.

[@Loki-wd2ib]

I was pissed when I was able to play black mask akechi.

[@sethseth8772]

I thought of persona 5 animation where joker solos Akechi

[@diousthomas8878]

@@Loki-wd2ib Why though. Loki as a persona is busted as hell.

[@aboveaveragefrog4208]

Royal gives Akechi, Kasumi and tier three personas. PT gets way stronger now

[@JohneAwesome]

Oh boy here we go!

[@Garfield.]

JohneAwesome is that sempai

[@AverageRomanceEnjoyer]

Waleegee e yes it is

[@youngcrackpipe740]

Who do you think would win

[@simp7376]

phantom thieves are op even with akechi, he would just make it overkill

[@VainerCactus0]

Don't you mean "hoo boy"?

[@ButIamAStick]

Proteins vs Pancakes vs FSteak Who will win?

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

caRCH pancakes, they're plot relevant

[@nastyroastytoastypyro4195]

The best kind of pancakes

[@joedatius]

I love how someones love of pankaces is a crucial plot point P5 thats just glorious

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

joedatius In Persona 2 a lighter and a watch (along with Power Rangers masks) are pretty much what the plot is about in the first part.

[@sprifegamer4926]

caRCH PROtein

[@grotus5549]

Naoto whips out a gun. Ryuji: What the eff?! He's got a gun! Morgana: Skull, you idiot. We all have guns!

[@Hiroyashy]

Ryuji would call Naoto a he, I agree.

[@azamkhizir3628]

@@Hiroyashy Kanji: First time?

[@regularboat21]

Speaking of guns, i cant help but think that one factor that could make the SEES be exploited is the fact that they need to shoot the evoker before calling the persona, its been showed multiple times in P5 that the PT is very accurate and precise with their "cognition" guns and they could easily take 1 fighter off from the SEES by stripping/shooting away the evoker as they are predictable in the placement because they need to shoot the head so it becomes incredibly vulnerable to be shot down from his/her hand and without the evoker a SEES member is now less agile/atheletic and cannot use the persona, now it can be argued that aigis doesnt need one or mitsuru and akihiko wont be dumb enough to let that happen but i can see that happening to yukari, junpei or ken

[@shadowstriker6506]

Trashboat21 speaking of cognition… S.E.E.S.: uses evoker PT’s: did they shoot themselves? Cognition: yep their dead now

[@theomnigamer9177]

Trashboat21 Actually if I recall correctly, it is incredibly difficult to summon Personas during the Dark Hour, which is why they use the Evokers. Also Fuuka made a side comment that she can use her Persona in the real world, this implies that Persona’s are able to be summoned in the real world, but we are not shown how they do so. And in Persona 4 Arena when Mitsuru was going to use her Evoker, before she pulled the trigger she was able to summon Artemisia. This in turn means that Personas can be summoned without an Evoker in the TV World. Assuming we are going by the same rules that means either every Phantom Thief, Investigation Team, and SEES member need an Evoker, or nobody needs one.

[@konokolokopokonodokobokogo6669]

Morgana never dies, he just backs out and focuses on support.

[@andreapiccolo8199]

Lol

[@miguellives7811]

*gets fucking stabbed repeatedly* I'LL BACK OUT AND FOCUS ON SUPPORT

[@aggressivepianonoises813]

Miguel LIVES Morgana: *B U R N E D T O A F I E R Y C R I S P* Morgana: Ow lemme hide behind this rock now

[@KVoinre]

Ack- I got too reckless...

[@devilbuster20xx37]

By "focusing on support" you mean hiding like a little bitch.

[@Garfield.]

Ultimate personas of the main characters in a nutshell P3:teleports behind you, nothing personal kid P4:ImA FiReInG mE lAZErzzzz P5:Classy Satan

[@EvilFlyingCarMan]

Aren't you confusing Messiah with Thanatos?

[@darkhorse744]

Waleegee e *personnel

[@Garfield.]

Emmanuel Ladejobi I have disappointed the meme gods with using correct spelling instead of meme spelling

[@darkhorse744]

Waleegee e The meme gods are good. If you but ask I'm sure they will forgive you.☺

[@LuckiSir]

P3: Omae wa mo.... Shinderu.

[@Ramash440]

I like how Goro's face is just crossed out.

[@kyleauthinus7517]

R.I.P pancake, will make sure to bring you pancake later

[@Evil_Beauty]

he'll most likely kill the phantom thieves if anything in this all out fight...

[@thunderbolt_blitz]

P5 has MC and Pancakes Wildcards : Saying not fair P3: also has two Wildcards one being the person Who controls the world and a toaster who gets the wildcard aswell from loving electricity from Minato outlet

[@Aussie_Kirby]

At least Aigis is relatively the same strength as the other SEES members. Meanwhile Akechi SEVERELY overpowers all the members of the PTs individually.

[@raihines8750]

@@Aussie_Kirby He also had his persona for the longest I think

[@jack_as_killer_]

Broke: SEES VS investigation Team VS Phantom Thieves Woke: An Investigation Team roast session

[@mostlyjovial6177]

This ^ lmao

[@mishaalpatel194]

I don't get the point of this argument, the Investigation Team wins You have to realize that they have the ability to summon the strongest enemy in any of the games Chie and Yukiko's cooking

[@epicgamingtime2379]

fucking burn

[@allyrose9494]

Mishaal Patel Oh man, that is a VERY good point

[@MultiDante333]

you forget another point - Fuuka has that ability aswell(her SL is based around that)

[@olivernunezbone5299]

ammmm satanael....

[@para-dx7771]

Oliver Nuñez Bone lol, Satanael doesn't hold a candle to mystery food x

[@lyricestrada7103]

With these teams said here... SEES: Neutral Investigation Team: Law Phantom Thieves: Chaos I've gone and done it now. (laughs then slightly cries)

[@godzilla4189]

IN DnD terms, SEES is Neutral good, IT is Lawful Good and PTOH are Chaotic good.

[@biogundam6541]

godzilla4189 I would say the PTOH are more like a mix of chaotic good / neutral. Because the organization itself is chaotic good, but the people in it are mostly chaotic good or chaotic neutral. Except for makoto who is neutral good and goro who is neutral evil.

[@eugene9211]

Not really. Law is more about following a specific code of ethics, rather than actually just being a law abiding citizen- For example, Makoto would be lawful good, rather then neutral, as she joined the PTOH in order to defend her ideals. Chaos is more just about personal freedom, like with Ryuji or the P5 Protagonist, without restricting what you can do. It's kinda like how Lucifer in SMT would still be of the law alignment, based on his strictly followed beliefs and his way of acting. The investigation team is probably closer to neutrality or chaos.

[@mattiswan1]

im neutral evil

[@Xarmar13]

I can see all of them being a bit chaotic. They are always fighting the majority opinion of humanity. In P3, it was the wish to see the world end. In P4 it was the wish to avoid the truth of the world and leave it hidden away. In P5 it was the wish to escape responsibility for their own actions which translated to having their lives controlled by someone else. If majority opinion is the law of the world, then chaos is the means to resist jumping on the bandwagon. In that sense, then all teams are chaotic good.

[@cloudskeyblade733]

P3 used a mysterious power to seal away the incarnation of death P4 used the truth to kill a god station attendant P5 summoned a fucking 60 story high turbo Satan to shoot god in the face with a bullet made of pure sin

[@midnight4956]

Cloudskeyblade7 I don’t know I just like the concept of Izanami, had to wait for the story to start so she had to find someway to kill time for the meanwhile. So, she went to work at the last place that would make her suspicious.

[@astronights]

P5 wins.

[@prodigous21]

guys these are gods, size means shit to them. theyre all just as powerful just different forms

[@HEX33C1FF]

Yaldabaoth is just a fake god, though.

[@RyoshuLimbus]

Yaldabaoth being the Demiurge makes him an aspect of YHVH in SMT so he is very much real

[@Jeon1958able]

Strongest protagonist: Persona 3 MC Strongest team: Phantom Thieves

[@shumishu6019]

Jeon1958able Ok now this agree with

[@derricklim4751]

Jeon1958able 3 mc is literally god if u think about it

[@Teh8Swords]

Not really ? Atleast Minato takes out Sataneal with the Great Seal, but then he is gone.

[@makotoyuki8947]

I'm basically god the universe, Messiah, the leader, Wild Card, Emo hair,and Death inside me I got all of that.

[@charlesbrioche6745]

strongest dancer: p4 protag

[@regalbryant902]

I like to imagine that as soon as this fight starts Shinji, Kanji, and Ryuji all just square up and have their own mini battle to see who is the one true ji.

[@angriestjoker]

More like G 😂

[@SoggyWetCheese]

jee

[@avocatobigpp4249]

Jokes aside,i feel like yosuke,ryuji and junpei all have a bro fight

[@000.opera.youtube3]

Shinji ends both instantly tbh

[@GuyWhoWatchesStuff]

They just go to a corner and only use their fists

[@bravefencermusashi1289]

And the winner is Dante From the Devil May Cry.

[@sLasHeRxXx07]

Brave Fencer Musashi lmao no contest, Dante would take them all to school with style. he don't need personas to get it done

[@Evil_Beauty]

Super Smash bros. joker got dem dante moves tho...

[@slowmotionwriting8714]

Who would win though, a persona team, or the demi-fiend?

[@cbladewielder7377]

@@slowmotionwriting8714 Demi-fiend, it's not even a contest

[@4711DAWN]

Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry's series* you mean

[@auramaster3707]

p3: I know the meaning to life p4: TRUTH p5: I killed jesus in people's mind

[@marche800]

He killed fake YHWH not Jesus.

[@RRM25100]

its not jesus, you fucking edge lord

[@kenansabic2901]

Aura Master In P5 it's the Persona universe Demiurge.

[@mishaalpatel194]

In persona 3, they defeated hippie Jesus and he wasn't even the final boss...

[@RixaveYustin]

Don't forget that p5 protagonist also saved Christmas

[@beanbandit495]

P3MC's victory is dependant on if he takes his hands out of his pockets

[@poiigf7344]

He wouldn't care enough to stop dancing

[@tldr585]

Underrated

[@marrowyoutube]

4it and 5pt have to be strong enough to make Makoto care. impossible.

[@selpho5511]

P3MC also instantly wins if he moves his hair away from his eye

[@almondmilk8676]

Fuuka: ok I’ve figured out their weaknesses..... Fuuka: (packs luggage be and gets on plane to Hawaii)

[@jack_as_killer_]

I fucking love this comment

[@thevalkyriemercenary9463]

*Gasp* the enemy!

[@poiigf7344]

I need your halp!

[@thevalkyriemercenary9463]

@@poiigf7344 I've been waiting for this moment

[@marrowyoutube]

@@thevalkyriemercenary9463 I've been thoroughly anticipating the current moment in time for quite long.

[@acjackson127]

I just thought about something. What If on the last day of Sae's dungeon Goro was just like "btw guys check out my new phone"

[@VainerCactus0]

riiiiip

[@speedm222]

Futaba would've likely act excited again and install the app (again)

[@thefunny1359]

acjackson127 just imagine if he downgrades to a Nokia brick

[@SuperCrazf]

They would get smoked or Futaba would need to hack it again

[@jtroxler8]

Futaba: WOW! You got the other phone I wanted! Le me see!

[@richariot8325]

-SEES VS Investigation Team VS Phantom Thieves- Roast session vs Investigation team

[@kdog3k]

The IT feel like real people stumbling into this situation, and that's part of the reason I think P4 is my favorite of the 3. The characters really carry that game. But yeah they don't win this fight if we're just going off of P4. At least in P4A they seemed like competent fighters, if inexperienced.

[@littlea420]

Kevin Swinson I thought persona 3 was number 1 but I thought they were pretty good

[@takitako7593]

The cast of Persona 4 had the best chemistry.

[@jackboyd8952]

Everyone here is wrong. Heres what would happen. Morgana: Joker, we can't enter the battlefield. Joker: Why not? Morgana: There's a huge door in the way.

[@tropicalisland4755]

no no no. It's past the evening.

[@poiigf7344]

I WONDER WHO THAT IS - wait that's feM3

[@jackboyd8952]

Meanwhile, on the other side P4 cast: I can't fit in my tv. Shit.

[@emmemttc]

@@jackboyd8952 investigation team:Our glasses conveniently broke. We need new glasses. Teddy:Takes out gag glasses Investigation team:Yeah, I don't think we wanna go and fight anymore

[@flippy7035]

@@emmemttc except Yukiko.

[@DizzyTipsy]

You guys also forgot that Futaba can heal, regain sp, charge up, and just block any lethal attack for the phantom thieves.

[@MerryHaven]

Rise does that in p4 too tho, i think p3 is the only one without someone like that

[@theomnigamer9177]

Kevin Delgado Well Fuuka’s Ultimate Persona Juno has the skill Oracle which can grant a lot of beneficial buffs to the party, but much like Teddies Ultimate Persona skill Kamui, it can be detrimental since it can potentially reduce HP and SP down to 1.

[@queueshit5137]

because it's the latest game. it is obvious that the game mechanics has change, can't compare to 2006 game with 2017 game.

[@Jfray252]

I forgot that most people only played p5, rise can does that in p4 too and she was op in p4, she could buff the party basically every turn in a battle and her skill were strongest than Futaba and she could discover all the weakness with a single skill, and her persona can tranform in three different form if we count the 3 canon spin-off. Futaba is basically nerfed version of rise in p5.

[@Mojo1356]

@@Jfray252 vanilla 5- fair enough, but in Royal, Futaba can essentially hit the reset button on the Phantom Thieves, which is way more broken than anything Rise has.

[@Red-vj3ww]

This is easy P3: Needed igor to win P4: needed igor to win P5: Did not need igor

[@SuperCrazf]

Red "slow clap"

[@SaberRexZealot]

Red *Killed the fucker who defeated Igor

[@Fitherfith]

at some point we're gonna make a video pertaining to Igor, the phantom thieves and a certain final boss

[@Red-vj3ww]

Did Morgana unleash the protagonist's ultimate persona though? No. Akira ripped the chains off on his own.

[@Monty2289]

You do realize that Igor used the last of his power to send Morgana to guide the player. Even if it didn't work out exactly as planned...without Igor they still would have been fucked.

[@nastyroastytoastypyro4195]

In the end, P4's downfall was a lack of thinking, and too much feeling.

[@totallyasmr8444]

Don't worry I get it.

[@masoncooper8830]

Nastyroastytoastypyro i love this. much more clever than my comment. i salute you sir

[@nastyroastytoastypyro4195]

Great minds think alike buddy.

[@noticeme6412]

Nastyroastytoastypyro don't think.Feel

[@insertnamehere3271]

And because they have no combat training what so ever the only ones who are decent are naoto, kanji and yu is arguably decent to for a beginner

[@yellowmelon5238]

Phantom thieves lose because yusuke starves to death, morgana puts him and joker to sleep, ryuji gets fucked up by everyone in the phantom thieves for trying his best, futaba is too much of an introvert to go out in front of the other teams, makoto stops and sides with aigis as they’re both robots, ann gets mad at ryuji and leaves and haru doesn’t have screentime so she can’t fight

[@missssparklzz2318]

Haru just doesn't show up 😂😂🤣

[@sapomercador7257]

I love to imagine everyone just ganging up and beating Ryuji because he missed an attack

[@Zyzzkxx]

@@sapomercador7257 me when I charge him and he misses: “Ryuji!!!!…. You had ONE… FUCKING Job!!!”

[@pottedplant37_]

@@missssparklzz2318 she's a cardboard cut-out

[@SpicyNetherrack]

@@Zyzzkxx Ryuji: FOR REAL!?

[@teabisquitter1593]

“Having two wildcards on the same team is kinda a problem” aigis be sweating

[@MichaelVickers2007]

Well she did short circuit in the answer at the end

[@personahearts358]

@@MichaelVickers2007She’s still confirmed a Wild Card in the Arena games, which are canon

[@phantomnite]

​@@personahearts358 But her being a wild card indicates that Makoto is dead, so if you want Makoto to be apart of sees you cant have wildcard Aigis

[@xerdax9102]

"Persona5Guy's thing is just fucking enormous" -Fither 2017

[@protagonist-kunspersona5860]

Xerdax lol I haven't finished Persona 4 yet can somebody tell me what he means by blasts you with the truth I don't care about spoilers thanks in advance

[@goroakechi6126]

@@protagonist-kunspersona5860 At the end of Golden, Yu gets the world arcana and summons Izanagi-no-Okami, using Myriad Truths to kill Izanami, the real god for the end of the game.

[@protagonist-kunspersona5860]

@@goroakechi6126 LOL I eventually figured it out I kind of forgot about this comment but thanks anyway

[@marrowyoutube]

@@protagonist-kunspersona5860 I find it funny how that person came here 3 years later to tell you

[@protagonist-kunspersona5860]

@@marrowyoutube lol Yea but, it was appreciated anyway😂

[@ramalam210]

Inb4 this is Persona 5 Arena

[@SuperCrazf]

Copykat the dream

[@jaykell2677]

morgana turns into a helicopter at the end of P5R

[@Ryzeer2]

"One thing I will give the Investigation Team, they have Tier 3 Personas." Royal: "I'm about to end this man's entire career."

[@casuallyYT]

P3: protag has 4

[@linear5695]

@@dokkanbattleplayer2921 then so is golden and FES :P

[@dennisleonardo2992]

@@dokkanbattleplayer2921 my G royal is 100% canon LMAO

[@renamamiya5997]

@@dokkanbattleplayer2921 Yes it is. All the updated ones are canon, Including Fes, Golden, and Royal.

[@Mojo1356]

@@dokkanbattleplayer2921 this is false.

[@douglasambrosino7206]

Didn't Ann bust out of metal restraints during her awakening? She's probably got some level of superhuman strength. (Honestly, it seems like all of the Phantom Thieves except maybe Futaba are superhuman physically. They can do Joker's crazy parkour, Makoto's temper tantrum during her awakening breaks the floor of the bank, Ryuji's already been brought up, etc.)

[@jorjorbanks8876]

@@littenfire3563 dark hour and TV world too.

[@Averi0]

@@jorjorbanks8876 It's quoted in the P3 Movie that entering the Dark Hour with a Persona increases your physical abilities greatly. It's not hard to imagine the same goes for the TV World and the Metaverse.

[@Jotunn96]

sleepy unoriginal name well we know for a fact it's true for p5 because makoto punches through presumably concrete

[@keik0223]

Douglas Ambrosino And Yuske made his fingers bleed when scratching the floor in his awaking

[@Hiroyashy]

The way the flames danced around the bindings makes me think that they weakened them rather than just enhancing her strength

[@pramiltonblarpus1873]

the x over goro's face got me dying

[@MistikaManiac]

The Investigation Team would win, clearly. All they'd have to do to win is get the girls to cook for the other two sides before the fight.

[@XBC3-4GOTY]

Underrated W

[@ryemabini8988]

Battle starts Futaba: TIME FOR MY POWER!1 *Haxes position* *every single non Phantom Thief is Held Up* *ALL-OUT ATTACK* (3-kun uses Armageddon) Futaba:NOOOO! *Final Guards* *Armageddon hits no Phantom Thief and is severely drains sp* Futaba, you da man.

[@MultiScorpio57]

Rye Mabini *Junpei turns around slowly* WHO DA MAN?!?!

[@Deathwindgames]

Rye Mabini minato:459 sp Casts Armageddon again Aigis: uses Odin to cast thunder reign Yukari: mediahrahan Mitsuru : godamn Marin Karin

[@Evil_Beauty]

THEY'LL NEVER SEE IT COMINGGGG!!!

[@hopechr]

Futaba can also hack aigis, which is also a high priority, not quite top but still. between assists, she can disable aigis. once SEES and the investigation team start fighting, the phantom thieves avoid confrontation as much as possible until Futaba either permanently shuts down aigis, or, preferably, hacks aigis onto their side to fill SEES full of bullets like what almost happened on 11/4. the investigation team is already dead by then. If not, Futaba uses aigis's body to fill the investigation team with bullets, which aigis was probably going to do anyway, and it's slightly less depressing that shooting your own team.

[@hopechr]

3kun is actually called door-kun canon name is either minato or makoto p3p doesnt exist and it cant hurt me

[@boohoo723]

They can fight each other as much as they want. Them the P1 and P2 casts can roll up with actual guns, an entire group of people that can switch Personas, and Tatsuya 'I can stop time, survive the universe exploding and borrow the powers of Personas without summoning them' Suou and wipe the floor with the survivors.

[@hopechr]

which is why they arent here -those games don't exist and they can't hurt me- (/s) (i mean they aren't in pq2 so I don't think Atlus actually cares)

[@Notkotoyin]

Tatsuya is Dio confirmed (They have the same voice actor too)

[@thekingofstrategies13]

Now I must see p1 and 2 vs p3, 4, and 5 No Goro. He's.... GORO.

[@tenkuken7168]

p1 and p2 characters is more experience to me

[@wahaha.]

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[@crossbones116]

I mean, Minato literally is Jesus. That aside, Thieves for days baby.

[@noticeme6412]

Joker is literally Satan who saved christmas

[@starsturck2701]

th e I want a satan saves Christmas movie now

[@prodigous21]

but all protags have a main god of different lores so that doesnt mean anything. jesus, satan, Izanagi.

[@alihamees1959]

don't get me started on everything Makoto from p3 is bruh

[@notspiderman4158]

Lol Minato has Jesus, yu has Japanese God, Joker has Satan... wtf Atlus?

[@hellqrow3419]

Perfect strategy- The team stays in Bus Morgana as he runs them all over, the P5 Team healing and buffing him while inside.

[@jojak0512]

Don’t forget they can have Futaba dropping bombs from her ufo at the same time

[@alex-zj6ef]

P3: beat god +1 girl +another robot P5: beat god +bus P4: beat god +knows truth All: CAN DANCE

[@anonymouspikminguy]

p3 and 5 can dance in dream world but not real life

[@DaYoLoMaster801]

The Ultimate Irony Of Persona: The INVESTIGATION Team Is the dumbest

[@r9ficial956]

DaYoLoMaster801 how?they're talking about the strongest,not smartest.

[@DaYoLoMaster801]

i was just saying how ironic it is that the team named after investigating is actually the dumbest

[@2Quick4You100]

That says a lot. P5's cast is pretty simple minded.

[@OverexitedPlayer]

ImaCompleteCyclePath Keep in mind that the Phantom Thieves can stage a heist and cheat death at the same time while a traitor is within their ranks. I doubt that's simple minded. If you count their whole "our justice is right and nobody says otherwise" shit, they're simple minded in that regard only.

[@thepickeypenguin7098]

ImaCompleteCyclePath they hacked all of Japan. What's simple minded as that

[@MeltraNS]

death battle leaked footage

[@ghostwalkergames7707]

Justin Bever Lol if only

[@Canthereoup]

😂😂😂

[@JaelinBezel]

More like leaked footage from the "arguments" phase of making a Death Battle episode...

[@5awdust]

Woah

[@PixelleHearts]

Notes to add: Yusuke has the ability to see the finest openings and details because he is a master artist... so good that he can replicate ANY spell or passive in the game manifested into a spell card Makoto by herself is just a monster of a tacitician as well as super mobile as fuck with Johanna Futaba is a knowledgeable genius who has studied thousands upon thousands of think tank levels of texts Haru has Psy moves... which none of the other teams have been exposed to ever WHICH FUCKING MURDER ENEMIES UNDER MENTAL IMPAIRMENTS (which are supplemented by the metaverse)

[@damiansaturday6788]

And Makoto has nukes

[@ksjay7474]

@@damiansaturday6788 and aikido

[@sev1120]

​@@ksjay7474 Makoto is one of two members of these teams combined that is trained in fighting unarmed, and her fighting style is designed around exploiting an enemy's own strengths.

[@HarbingerYT]

Exactly. Phantom Thieves have an advantage over the others. They have access to Nuclear and Psychic damage, which none of the others have.

[@yeahepicswag7890]

SPOILERS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Edit: Why is everybody coming back to this video again? I forgotten about this comment and now I see it every week. Persona 3: Minato (Cannon name), didn't offically kill Nyx, only the avatar. However, S.E.E.S is real strong and Minato has 2 main persona. S.E.E.S is smart enough to plan out stuff. they do experience fighting persona users, and Fighting investigation team Persona 4: The Invetigation Team did fight powerfull foes like Ameno-sagiri and Izanami. However, the only ones who who do think and plan are Naoto and Yu. However the do have experience fighting S.E.E.S, plus could dance all night Persona 5: Now the Phantom Theves are smart enough to do successful heist, hack all of Japan. They Successfully Killed the God of creation, Saved the world and have experience fighting persona users, and Satanell Persona 3: Hard fight Persona 4: Good game Persona 5: Would dominate I Have played all three persona games listed and has gotten true ending for all. I also know all have other stuff but Phantom Theves are most likely the winner Persona 3: BURN MY BREAD Persona 4: Did someone order a STUPID LOOKING BOSS Persona 5: YOU NEVER SEE IT COMMINGh

[@brunoseixas3658]

"S.E.E.S is smart enough to plan out stuff" (Please...mhmhmh...try not to la-- MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!) Seriously, dude? S.E.E.S never even wondered how Ikutsuki is normal during the Dark Hour, yet don't have the power of the Persona, and the 12 Shadow bussiness was just too easy (also, it would make Tartarus almost completely useless) and not even Akihiko ever even wondered about it. Honestly, if the S.E.E.S was in the same situation as the Phantom Thieves in late november, S.E.E.S would have lost, because they wouldn't be smart enough to see Akechi's "betrayal" coming

[@kamataro1482]

true MG.2/Deep Cat Agreed on most things except for one nitpick. Yosuke is smart. Smart enough to be the canonical brains of the team prior to Naoto showing up (his profile in P4A).

[@theamazingb2448]

That wasn’t the God of creation it was a fake

[@closet__optimist]

PappiChi I How was he a fake? He was pretending to be Igor for 90% of the game but in the fight that’s definitely the real deal

[@llammapajama4824]

He was a fake Igor, however he is a real God born from the collective desires of humanity. If Philemon couldn't do shit then he is definitely god class at the very least even if not the God himself.

[@JustAdam123]

The Investigation Team clearly wins. They have the most powerful weapon of all. Dancing.

[@Solverse_]

JustAdam now introducing dancing star xD

[@venomcuregaming6734]

Rhythm King and moon light XD

[@astronights]

I see you haven't felt that jazz yet.

[@jeremyfont7135]

True

[@xeyku4967]

Truly the actual reason why the P3&5 groups are getting their dancing game.

[@tastytango4841]

P3 is the only protagonist to use 2 personas at a time so he's pretty damn strong and I think goro should be in it cause keep in mind aigis is somewhat a wild card user in p3 until fes and they have shinji whose a tank, better fighter than kanji, and has no weakness except a kid and a bullet from a hippy Jesus

[@sprifegamer4926]

Shamy Etheart "Hippy jesus" im die lol 😂😂😂

[@midnightbluesky4123]

Lol

[@gabby5399]

Shamy Etheart *weakness to guns

[@kenansabic2901]

Shamy Etheart Shinji wasn't wearing his armor when Hippy Jesus shot him.

[@unnamed_protagonist]

can't shinji's persona learn Null Pierce?

[@johnskauge]

A lot of you are saying p3 is weak because they couldn't kill but only seal Nyx away. I can't say we have an accurate description of SEES' power because Nyx is above all the most powerful. It isn't even a god it's... something else that erases gods. Gods reach out to Nyx to use its power. Nyx isn't something you can kill. So at the very least you shouldn't dismiss the p3 team because they couldn't kill Nyx. I'm very certain the other teams wouldn't be able to either... Nothing can. The best you can do is hold it off.

[@diousthomas8878]

But the thing is Yaldabolth might have been the same strength as Philemeon. I mean considering he is the one that created Akechi's persona which was a part of the game with Joker.

[@KVI_ohm]

Dious Thomas but nyx is definitely levels above philemon. Philemon was stuck in a web, nyx transcends time.

[@Zero-fx8pc]

Nyx can’t be killed you can’t defeat death and that is what Nyx is death itself, they sealed her to reduce the damage she was causing because most people where having suicide thoughts and it made Nyx more stronger. Sealing something as powerful as Nyx isn’t as easy or insignificant as other people make it seem. Saying "he couldn’t kill Nyx just seal it" make it seems like they where weak and that was the reason they couldn’t kill it when in reality Nyx is unkillable. Do you think Joker or Yu could seal Nyx? I highly doubt it, Makoto/Minato is the only one that has managed to get the universe arcana so far which is the strongest one. Igor words regarding the universe arcana: With this newfound power... You may be able to defeat the one who cannot be defeated. What you have in your hands is the power of the Universe... ...Nothing is outside the realm of possibility for you now. Izanami and Yaldabaoth are nothing compared to Nyx, she is basically an alien known as the "planet eater".

[@raito6689]

@@Zero-fx8pc Not really make Nyx "stronger" but make Erebus closer to her. You know? The one that wants to be in contact with Nyx? Hence why the seal is there in the first place.

[@kyleauthinus7517]

@@KVI_ohm wait what? Last I check Philemon recreated the universe after Nyarhaloteph destroyed it so, doesn't that mean that Nyx was also destroyed and recreated, so if Nyx was meant to be stronger than the two of them, how were they able to destroy and resurrect Nyx?

[@djhawk8454]

So, we've got undercover monster hunter group vs Mystery Inc. with a bear vs the Kids Next Door Cooper Gang armed with grenade launchers and sub machine guns. Should be interesting.

[@thrasher698]

Ok, just so we can be clear here: Joker's ultimate persona, in contrast to its name, is not actually Gnosticism Satan. He's closer to a representation of Lucifer. Ironically, Yaldaboth in Gnosticism is a FALSE God, and is more akin to an incarnation of Satan than Satanael.

[@SomeAsian]

That's... interesting.

[@Evil_Beauty]

Shattercoin I always thought he was both, name and design wise...

[@baltharaaz9847]

@Miscellaneous Mind Gnosticism is an old offshoot of Christianity that differs... *_radically._* It's quite fascinating.

[@biogundam6541]

Persona 6 plot confirmed!!!

[@GearGearRingLeader]

BioGundam Persona 6 will star the kid of A previous Persona Protagonist going to Jail in the U.S.A and end up fighting a very fast gay priest.

[@biogundam6541]

really thats sounds really cool

[@GearGearRingLeader]

BioGundam Some of this might actually be apart of Persona 6

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

And then we have a persona 2 like story where everything is reset again and the next universe stars a stoic protaganist who behave almost like persona 3 and we do this over and over again

[@darklord21z]

...........i get it

[@Skywardflare758]

I think SEES is being underestimated here. For one, they fought in the most intense environment. The Dark Hour had the same physical drain that the TV World has, but it gives the smallest boost. It just allows more persona power/abilities than non Dark Hour time, but not even on the level of the TV World. Evokers are needed only due the Dark Hour being more harsh, as in the TV World they had no need for them. Meanwhile the Metaverse flat out gives the Phantom Thieves more abilities and options. We haven’t seen SEES or the Investigation Team operate in a similar environment. SEES also has the strongest individuals. The biggest advantages the Phantom Thieves have are Futaba, Morgana, and Joker. Everyone else is normal, and Door-kun’s solo fusion spell ability should put him on the same level as Joker. Aigis alone is a massive powerhouse, and most of the SEES members should beat most Phantom Thieves in an equivalent one on one. Plus, Fuka counters any kind of stealth the Phantom Thieves may use. The Phantom Thieves strategy relies on Joker and Morgana. Those two are the brains of the operations, without them, the rest of the team loses a lot of their tactics advantage. While SEES has weaker overall teamwork, each of them function well in isolation. The Phantom Thieves also had the advantage of scoping out their targets and taking time to plan. SEES didn’t get that opportunity, they had to wait until the full moon and improvise every time. They didn’t even have a Morgana or Teddy with built in knowledge, they were working almost entirely blind until near the end. They also have several characters that can fill the leader position in case Door-kun can’t, with Mitsuru, Akihiko, and Aigis all capable to lead. SEES is extremely adaptable. Overall, a lot of the things that make SEES look weaker are muddy. The Dark Hour vs Metaverse, the operating blind, the more individualistic members, and console limitations (flat PS2 environments vs the extremely stylish PS4 stuff) severely muddy the comparison. Phantom Thieves may still win out in the end, but I think SEES definitely has a chance.

[@kazeace853]

Preach... Did you read the P3 Guidebook? because that gives more info about the lore and origins of the game.

[@MichaelVickers2007]

Yes but the phantom thieves were literally WIPED FROM COGNITION at the end of 5 and basically came back from the dead in a sense

[@jalikjohnson3698]

Phantom theives also has Futaba and Makoto who is also really intelligent, and they did a very massive feat in p5 royal.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Legit. People are sleeping on Aigis. Aigis is MILLITARY GRADE HARDWARE. She doesn't have an imaginary grenade launcher. She has a grenade luncher. She's a goddamn Terminator, that needs ur HALP. Dundundun dundun.

[@thegamerfe8751]

@@MichaelVickers2007 You know what that proves ??? Nothing, cause it's not like they came back by themselves, it wasn't a power they had or they had strong wills. Since it isn't a feat they did by themselves it means jack shit.

[@spyorca2836]

"The Investigation Team is the most mobile with their scooters." Morgana car/helicopter: "Am I a joke to you?" Edit:Also when Ikutsuki took control of Aigis, she was able to retake control by herself due to her human side, so I don't think Futaba will be able to control Aigis for long.

[@tropicalisland4755]

she won't be able to use the mech parts of her tho. Futaba is a quick thinker and learner she will realize that her grasp is fading and just over heat to the max on the robot parts.

[@reaperofthings]

Futaba can literally hack people’s cognitions, that allows her to just give the finger to anyone if she decides to. Getting ambushed? Nah, YOU got ambushed by US! Reaper about to kill a Phantom Thief? Hah, he wishes! Her hacking skill would be such that Aigis would be SEES biggest weakness, even if only for a few seconds. And that’s not even going into the idea that when Futaba hacks Mementos, she’s hacking either Yaldabaoth’s or the entirety of Tokyo’s cognition.

[@spyorca2836]

@@reaperofthings Well shit, Futaba beats everything I guess lol

[@diousthomas8878]

@@spyorca2836 She so God damn broken. In one stream a dude had to face the wrath of Yaldabolth with of his damn sins and did his ultimate move and the streamer was just like "Fuck this I've had enough of his bullshit" and was playing on very hard and then Futaba Final Guard kicked and it blocked it. The streamer and the chat went ballistic.

[@Zero-fx8pc]

Aigis has real guns all she needs to do is shot Futaba before she does that.

[@MeltraNS]

Everyone vs goro

[@Blarglesnarfe]

Everyone would win tho.

[@maelstrom6949]

Goro wins, gets bs ohko on everybody

[@Mr3vilboss]

Maelstrom okami cant be ohko

[@maelstrom6949]

shhh let it happen

[@Pandamon1um03]

I hate to say it but theoretically there are two outcomes assuming Goro's power could do this obvious possibility he gets rekt like last time in which case everyone wins second case and what I would attempt myself in his situation not make my self go psychotic but everyone would go psychotic meaning everyone loses because even if he is the only non psychotic then he will get destroyers but if everyone is then all main characters will kill everyone then kill each other prob joker wins or maybe sees actually if it was just main characters who would win? And even better who would win in a no persona fist fight out of the main and protagonists then I think p3 is last prob joker again he is literally bullshit especially with confidant. =]

[@youtuberlz7622]

I like how you put an X on Pankechi

[@bbgunjohnson_899]

I get it, He's calle pankechi because he lost because of pancakes

[@Evil_Beauty]

he's dead, that's why he has an X

[@poxy5122]

@@bbgunjohnson_899 you fucking madlad

[@_r._7513]

For Goro Akechi, I believe he solo’d the palaces by being sneaky and assassinating his targets. And if this is the case, it’s possible for him to be sensed especially by Fuuka, who specializes in sensing life, especially shadows and personas.

[@davidc.]

He specifically said "tear through" when talking about shidos palace, i think he'd do both but would more often then not kill any shadow that had the misfortune of being near him

[@sev1120]

He uses the stealth method of "nobody to report me if there's nobody alive"

[@4bitsnickers359]

Morgan’s: “ guys I ran over the investigation team there’s blood on my tires!”

[@poiigf7344]

Also morgana: I hit my beautiful face on a door!!

[@MichaelVickers2007]

Just give teddie some honey and the dog a tennis ball to distract them

[@TheCrazyGreenGamer]

FUTABA CAN ATIFICIALY MANIPULATE COGNITION ITSELF TO THE PHANTOM THEIVES' FAVOR.

[@koheikyouji]

TheCrazyGreenGamer Random thug - "Youre getting mugged!!" Futaba - "No....youre getting mugged" Random thug - "Aaaah how the hell does that even work?!" D:

[@samthebananacat3649]

koheikyouji asdfmovie yes

[@seeidk8252]

koheikyouji the best thing about this comment is that if she had the confidence to, futaba would actually say that

[@fallenhell6181]

It depends if it takes place in the cognitive world, or if it's even playing field

[@RRM25100]

but she also boosts your attack while you're raged against an enemy that repels phys

[@petermayer1416]

I vote Goro joins the investigation Team for game balance reasons.

[@sLasHeRxXx07]

Peter Mayer the IT already had Naoto

[@epicgamingtime2379]

Doesnt he get killed by a cognitive version of himself

[@w0ng659]

Pokem and Garry Well yes how ever they counted shinji in the p3 team and he died a little bit later so it’s unfair.

[@JaelinBezel]

Well, it is the investigation team, and he IS supposed to be a detective (even if under false pretenses)

[@reeznevhater]

@@epicgamingtime2379 Sssshhhhh, Stfu

[@meta8586]

I can actualy imagine Yosuke and Teddie being affected by Mitsuru's marin karin in the first 10 seconds of fight

[@raichu753siordia2]

Persona 5 Royal: I'm about to mess this video up

[@Hiroyashy]

Yeah, Third Awakening skills screw all of them.

[@piotrwiatr6227]

@@Hiroyashy and then we have the P3/4 protag fights

[@tfergy96]

I think Royal just makes it an even more brutal slaughter.

[@WardenKaz]

I feel like you kinda of need Akechi participating now after what he does in royal

[@damiansaturday6788]

Let's see, in royal Grappling hook mobility Showtime feats Fighting a persona user empowered by the masses just like joker with Satanael possibly equal to or beyond it as well as tanking it's strongest attack three different times without futaba's final guard, showing that endure can work multiple times in a row Third tier personas that rival and even surpass the investigation teams (-teddie's bs) Persona trait's that give them all insane advantages (will of the sword triples the effect of charge/concentrate =6x damage, and mighty gaze breaking the single hit damage cap, complete status immunity, up to 4 free revives etc) Perfect personas via the Fusion alarm (99 in everything essentially on par with the persona's of the velvet room attendants) Joker's guns that bypass nulls, drains and resists Maria's bs wolverine level healing factor immortality and sp regeneration (I can literally spam hassou Tobis, myriad truths, megidolans and morning stars thanks to her) Fafnir and Alillat, enough said. And ryugi's rush from his confidant turns you literally into marvel's juggernaut for anyone even a little bit weaker than you

[@rifqihermawan1301]

yo joker got tortured & druged but still manage to convince sae to side with him ,he is fit and had nerve of steel as for the equipment is not about is real or not but wether ,are they capable of using it ,with iwai connection i think it wouldnt be hard for them to obtain real weapon if necessary

[@urke5895]

His shadow (the best way I can describe it) was there instead of him so he didnt get druget and so on.

[@HelloAnon]

He does get druged and physically abused in the police station. The only instante that what we see is happening to his shadow is when Akechi shots him and ONLY if we chose to not sell out our team mates in the interrogation with Sae. If we do she leaves inmediatly and Akechi kills us so its game over becouse we dont get to trick Akechi showing him the phone and getting him into Sae's palace, where Akira's shadow is. Hell, when Akira gets back to Le Blanc for the reunion best girl Makoto even tell us she cant belive what the police did to us and the critical part of the plan was not spilling out the beans during the interrogation cause of the truth serum-drug kind of thing that we were injected. So yea, Akira has hella mental strenght regarding critical life or death scenarios.

[@JaelinBezel]

Except for Haru's battleaxe and grenade launcher.

[@Evil_Beauty]

rifqi hermawan Haru had the money to provide for the group's needs, so it all comes down to if the phantom thieves are willing to have REAL weapons or not.

[@5awdust]

This fact doesn’t really count, does it, but well that doesn’t mean half the investigation team weren’t kidnapped, thrown into a TV, and lived (though thanks to the rest of the investigation team) but still,

[@notCalebJ]

For final boss feats, let's not discount the fact that the Phantom Thieves KILL the God of control. Not as ridiculous as the Universe, but still keeps the investigation team at the bottom

[@Fitherfith]

Very true, they totally kill that guy with a single bullet, imagine the hell he would unleash if he shot like 6 bullets

[@notimportant493]

nyx is no push over either

[@YBPaladin]

lazygreenjerk But is Yaldabaoth more of a god than Izanami? He is more "active" I guess but Izanami was way more subtle. Honesty, Yalda downfall was that he fucked with Igor; I cant say that I can see Izan messing with him

[@speedm222]

They actually managed to unite the masses together instead of opposing their will to do so.

[@blackfrost8536]

but keep in mind they dont necessarily kill nyx, nyx just says "fuck you" and instantly heals back up, and then the p3 protag seals them away with the power of god, but a ground rule in this fight is no ultimate protag persona's

[@bippythechippy882]

Imagine if everyone had their ultimate Personas and everyone had "Evade Weakness". Nobody could land a single attack.

[@andygunlocke]

You are all wrong. Junpei wins. Because he's da man. But in all seriousness, the Phantom Thieves are the greatest team out of the three. But if it's a battle between the three MCs, P3 MC wins hands down. Minato's basically Jesus.

[@Evil_Beauty]

Andy Gunlocke And joker's satanael is basically satan and lucifer in the form of a devil angel.

[@jorjorbanks8876]

Satanael is part of the humanity now. His bullets can pierce gods. That alone trumps minato

[@KVI_ohm]

Jor Jor Banks no, minato can just literally be like “sorry, you don’t exist anymore.” And easy dub. We know this because even igor states “with this power, no miracle is impossible.”

[@jorjorbanks8876]

@@KVI_ohm If that's the case then he should have done that to Nyx, But that didn't happen. Obvious he can't do anything. So what Igor said is invalid.

[@KVI_ohm]

Jor Jor Banks thats because nyx is also omnipotent, she literally transcends time, and isnt the collective unconscious like philemon or yaldy. Its like when an unstoppable force (nyx), meets an immovable object (makoto), as they are both omnipotent. And if you’re just saying what igor says is wrong or invalid, than we cant take anything of what he says as fact.

[@fallengodtv6838]

I love how Atlus put the dumbest fucking people in the one that's supposed to be a murder mystery.

[@Dragonkaiser20]

Yami6692 I missed them a lot.

[@Chagogo]

Just in time for the Blazblue, P4 Arena, Undernight, and RWBY crossover to be announced.

[@toastofcatbread3207]

Excuse me, the what?! That kinda sounds like bullshit but at the same time it seems like something that would actually happen...

[@nomadcomicproductions8162]

It exists

[@MakoTenseii]

Toast of Burntbread ye dude just got announced. its mad but hey, persona 4 never dies

[@toastofcatbread3207]

Dominik Makówka Yeah I just saw the trailer... I'm not even mad that this is technically yet another P4 spinoff, it looks pure hype. Also, Arcsys has killed Mahvel TWICE now. How the fuck is Capcom going to pick up themselves this time?

[@milkboi2765]

where's the trailer? or is t real?

[@ZayZenBlaze]

Considering the way the characters in Persona 5 look, if you had them and the Persona 3/4 characters in the same room together, I’m pretty sure they would look at the 5 cast and ask: you guys are in high school?

[@makyx5989]

alternative title: investigation team is laughed at for 32 minutes

[@asantethewise8492]

They scratched out akechi😂😂😂😂

[@sleepyprince2815]

Well he's not a phantom thief. He only worked with them once really, just as simple alies. So it makes sense to scratch him out. -i still love akechi tho, fight me-

[@aman937]

Plutodagreaser θ he's dead

[@JaelinBezel]

As they should. The only reason he's even in that image is just because excluding him would be a spoiler in and of itself.

[@Evil_Beauty]

that's too bad... The phantom thieves could use a bless user...

[@sergiosalazar8702]

truthseeker at least they worked twice so maybe they coincide Pancakes in the fight as well

[@grayjsnake5465]

I would pay money to see an ova of this fight

[@octodude3358]

**Phantom thieves are going through a palace when SEES shows up.** **The two groups are questioning each other.** **The tension is building between the two groups** The Investigation team rides in on scooters.

[@Gamerboi-im3rk]

Octodude the investigation team crashes into something on their scooters and they die before the fight even begins

[@poiigf7344]

They all show up however a door falls on them*

[@arguss3837]

Literally if you include the final boss P3 wins,if you include spin-off ‘s P4 wins , and without anything P5 wins , so this was an accurate tier list.

[@tenkuken7168]

yeah p4 is so broken in the spin offs and sequels

[@AArchetype..]

P5 with either royal or strikers scaling beat then faster

[@personahearts358]

The Q and especially Arena games go out of their way to make the Investigation Team the strongest Persona team

[@sev1120]

​@@AArchetype..They have not one but two wildcards

[@almondmilk8676]

“Rise provides more battle support....” “I’ll provide morale support from a safe distance” - Teddie I guess they also have that going for them

[@Space_Cat969]

Whichever team has the best waifus automatically wins.

[@joedatius]

P5 has kawakami so P5 wins.

[@Blarglesnarfe]

joedatius Not as a team member they don't tho.

[@sLasHeRxXx07]

Eggs cooked On a rock each game has their waifus

[@Houndz1100]

P5 has Makoto, auto-W

[@ade8296]

P5 has Futaba, instant win

[@therebelliousaxel8535]

Flair: The Investigation team has one thing; they are the only team with tier 3 Personas.” Royal Phantom Thieves: “NOT ANYMORE!” 😈

[@healer229aqw]

It's a three-way tie because atlus don't want to upset any of its fan bases

[@nickbarlas5544]

This is the most accurate answer

[@Jeffrey-kc5be]

@@nickbarlas5544 No it's not lmao royal thieves absolutely destroy.

[@dragonkid9332]

P4 team dead in minutes

[@dragonkid9332]

minutes cuz Rise

[@GearGearRingLeader]

Dragon Kid They has the strongest fighter though, Satan, what is sealing death to fighting Gwad.

[@lazilycloud]

Bob Thesexyfish what?

[@GearGearRingLeader]

reborn 12 Teddie is Satan.

[@toastofcatbread3207]

Bob Thesexyfish Teddie is Lucifer*. Since we're talking MegaTen here, there *is* a difference.

[@MultiFreaknik]

Mechanics wise Persona 5 wins due to having more type coverage and being able to dodge nuclear energy, and survive that one big bang equivalent burger attack, and if we count dlc's the P5 protag has all of the protagonists non ultimate personas and some other unique ones.

[@MultiFreaknik]

Can't forget that baton pass power up

[@VainerCactus0]

Plus maximum style.

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

I personally like to think that only the Picaro versions are canon for him.

[@noticeme6412]

But the burger attack can be drained into health if you're lucky

[@nerocrow4040]

Also he has Minato ultimate persona Messiah

[@KIWIMAN47]

"Persona 5's guy thing is just huge" - Out of context quotes.

[@scuffed7648]

After Royal this becomes even more imbalanced since the phantom thieves get Akechi back as an official member and thus should be on there team in this and they also get Sumire and while she’s the same level as the other regular thieves that isn’t Joker/Akechi/Futaba she’s still an extra member to help. They also all get tier three personas with OP abilities and there the only team with access to traits.

[@thegamerfe8751]

Aigis and Junpei mow down everyone except for Akechi and Joker, Aigis is quite literally the terminator who can also use multiple personas and Junpei is pretty much a budget Wolverine from X-Men who can regenerate and has a persona that's fused from two different personas.

[@AArchetype..]

@@thegamerfe8751 wait... Call of chaos. Call of chaos made high lvl shadows go beserk. Imagine if akechi uses call of chaos on the thieves giving them a permanent dmg boost or he uses it on aiges

[@sev1120]

And if you add strikers into the mix they also get Wolf, who is BY FAR the most experienced person on any of these teams, and Sophia, an artificial intelligence with a persona (like AIGIS is)

[@mntyki6941]

P5- has a megazord P4- has the power of Truth i guess P3- has a guy who could literally do everything

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

He is called mr perfect for a reason people

[@rockstarstitch]

There is only one way to prove who is the definitive winner: *The second Fither Games*

[@deciduous4996]

rockstarstitch a

[@kamataro1482]

Kit Kat That works too

[@Finchyay]

Ken Reyes Especially now that we’re getting P5DSN and P3DMN

[@Evil_Beauty]

Yukari with that bow doe...

[@Fender178]

I just realized something from watching a play-through of the Persona 5 dancing game and that I have a renown light of the P5 group and Futaba as a Navigator that she is a million times better than Rise because during the Social Events of Mona and hers that she can sense they are not alone and can sense the members of SEES and she even has a conversation with Fuuka. Rise couldn't even do that heck during P4AU she needed Fuuka's help to see through the red fog to sense her own team members.

[@user-garnet]

Fender178 Oh yeah! That’s a good point!

[@KevinSatron]

Pretty sure because futaba can hacking computer

[@nyomannayaka1082]

hey just leave out the fact that rise is still struggling to face herself and ever her own persona transformed from a navi to a fighter, honestly this argument is pretty stupid if you ask me.

[@phantomnite]

Because Futaba can hack and because Rise is more of a combat navi while fukka is better at sensing where things are? Kind of a bad argument

[@ovensmuggler5207]

Have you considered the possibility that the red fog doesn't fuck around?

[@Verlurion]

So, my personal breakdown would be... Protagonists - Door-kun (Universe Arcana and has the ability to form fusion spells, Armageddon and Infinity are on their own OP, could make it even more OP if we went by Portables rules and have them be usable items with no drawbacks) > Joker > Chad Narukami Support - (from the perspective of combat assistance) Rise > Futaba > Fuuka Mascot Character - Morgana > Teddie > Koromaru (Unless you consider Aigis the mascot character in which case I say she beats Morgana) General team composition - Phantom Thieves > SEES > Investigation Team Now... One thing we could do is include the velvet room assistants for each protagonist to see how that would effect things, in which case Velvet room assistants - Margaret > Elizabeth > Lavenza Another thing to consider is ultimate personas in which case I say... Ultimate Personas - Investigation Team (Naoto has shield of justice which blocks ALL damage for the entire party, Chie has Dragon Hussle which buffs the entire parties attack, defence and hit/evasion, Yukiko has Burning Petals which deals severe fire damage to all opponents, also its worth noting that their 3rd personas allow them to absorb the element they are strong against, and the Investigation team also has special team moves such as Yukiko & Chies and Naoto & Kanji's) > Phantom Thieves > SEES

[@5awdust]

If the Investigation Team had only 1 Ultimate Persona, they would have a much better chance, since their Ultimate personas are SUPER good! They would straight up win if they all had their ultimate personas, and if their wild cards were the only ones without their final personas, then the investigation team has a very decent chance of winning.

[@trashywaifu5287]

this is why they said no universe arcana and no spin off boosts because without them there's equal ground between everyone.

[@idunnoaskmydog3412]

I think Chad narukami>joker, why? Let's compare their first persona first izanagi have good buff and debuff i mean early game u have tarukaja, rakukaja and rakunda while arsene just have sukunda and also izanagi just have one weakness, and arsene is two weakness

[@unodos2647]

No sorry Good Boye powers destroys them both instantly

[@jorjorbanks8876]

Ultimate persona: phantom thieves Ryuji and Ann can provide full party charge and concentrate. Yusuke and makoto can give full party Heat riser and Debilitate. Futaba can also use full party healing + Revive. Satanael can also Kill gods with his bullets.

[@toastofcatbread3207]

Goddamn, I never realized how weak the Investigation Team was compared to the Phantom Thieves and SEES before... Also, am I the only one who wants a Persona game where your team is an a coliseum of sorts and you have to fight your way through other teams of Persona users (maybe in a tournament setup or something)? I know the Arena games sort of had something like this, but I'm talking about with the main RPG format. I can't really see something like this being a mainline Persona game, but I could definitely see it being a spinoff or as a special dungeon in one of the main games.

[@Yoshemo1]

Play the Answer arc in Persona 3 FES, its got that kinda

[@toastofcatbread3207]

Well yeah, but that was only 2v2 battles that were kinda restricted. I'm talking full-on 4v4 match-ups with each of the teams having their own unique abilities or gimmicks or whatever.

[@tylercafe1260]

Toast of Burntbread I can only see that working if it was like a Multiplayer thing

[@toastofcatbread3207]

Multiplayer battles could be cool too, although I initially dismissed the idea because I'm imagining they'd usually end in one player just wiping the other, simply due to the fact that player characters in Persona are generally balanced around fighting enemies with much more health than yourself that also don't have as much of a variety of skills as you do.

[@5awdust]

Super Smash bros ULTIMATE!! Tourney, also, you can make your own miis (someone already made miis that look like all of them, anyways)

[@FlubbedPig]

It's like Batman vs Superman. It all depends on how much planning time Phantom Thieves got. EDIT: Nah, I take it back. Didn't think of Futaba hacking Aigis. That shit's on lockdown.

[@hheecckk526]

aigis cant be hacked thats been implied to be impossible with hee circuit board being destroyed in p3 the answer and continues to operate. also futaba can only hack certain things like phones and websites if she could hack anything she could have gotten the info from saes laptop instead of needing Makoto to get it for her. safe to say if she cant hack a laptop she cant hack a top secret government killing machine

[@littlekuribohimposte]

Futaba hacked into the airwaves, blocking all other channels. And Aigis is a robot. Her brain is a CPU. She can and has been hacked.

[@hheecckk526]

aigis is the equivalent to a robot with its batteries taken out. there should be no possible way for her to even operate yet she does anyway. also aigis has never been hacked outright at any point aside from when itsuki took over here which was when her circuit board was still intact. its heavily implied that while aigis body is a machine her ability to have the wild card shows she has her own soul and is not just an A.I(her "brain" is an A.I not a cpu) and she can still use her robotic functions in addition to that. futuba hacking into airwaves via her computer is not the same as hacking into a super advanced machine made by the most secret portions of the japanese government. also you need to remember futaba cant hack things instantly and if aigis could be hacked it would take a very long time to hack into an A.I that has more advanced technology that she never has even seen or heard of.

[@charielity6071]

if you put the answer in the mix then yes, aigis can't be hacked. don't count that, then aigis will be a fucking lone slave in the street for futaba

[@hheecckk526]

Charielity they stated in this video that they are only not counting the arena versions of the games. that means she cant be hacked. and again even if futaba could hack her good fucking luck as aigis has broken out of hacking through force of will making hacking her useless.

[@agikai_]

This is pretty obvious. Chad Narukami would just finesse all the ladies to fight for him and his evergrowing harem.

[@nickbarlas5544]

lmao yu's a virgin, he can only get girls in a non canon anime only scene and those stupid girls thought they were drunk lol. virgin yu chad door and jokah

[@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs]

@@nickbarlas5544 Non canon anime? Are you serious? Anime is just a retelling of the event in the game. It's pretty much the same as the game. If the game is canon, you can pretty much saying that the anime also a canon. Makoto is the type of guy who never talk but do their job perfectly and made the women fall in love to him because of it. He sacrifice himself for the world and all the women love him, even Elizabeth leave velvet room try to save him. Yu is those guy who always act like oblivion, saying sweet thing which make girls flutters without notice it, love to make fun of himself like a fool and goofy, but he can get serious if the time is come. Ren is just a cool guy, act like cool guy, which make him cool and women magnet. I know Makoto is great protagonist, but you are belittling Yu too much. You can make argument Makoto

[@nickbarlas5544]

Excelon The 4th Avalon Heirs it’s a joke. So it’s okay when chad Yu fucktards make a joke about how the others are virgins. But when I call him a virgin for jokes the whole world is ending. He’s a cool dude I know I call him chad as well I just find it funny to call him a virgin

[@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs]

@@nickbarlas5544 The problem is your comments doesn't sounds like a jokes at all. If you're doubting me you can show your comment to entire world and they will say they never notice it to be a joke. Also, no one saying P3 and P5 protagonist are virgin. Everyone respect how Ren is a cool guy and Makoto is a legend.

[@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs]

@@nickbarlas5544 Maybe you gonna hate this idea, but Persona Trinity Soul, that weird anime is considered as canon.

[@louisantonio2462]

And then they all got wiped out with the Boy with Earring Spin Kicks everyone to death.

[@este45ful]

i just realized they crossed Akechis face, LMAO

[@SchwayGoose]

The Persona 2: Innocent Sin crew wins

[@-king-1230]

Brūsti Sprinkler 👌

[@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646]

Obviously.

[@cipherrae5643]

Something we could agree on

[@goldenbutteract2446]

@Lokinguo Are you stupid or something?

[@beiwubsnsod7378]

@@goldenbutteract2446 its a meme you dip

[@TheGodOfShoes]

When you mentioned no outside bullshit I just imagined Haru and Mitsuru getting into a Yakuza 0 style money battle. I'm sad that this is not a thing.

[@FitinLizard]

Persona 3: Incomprehensible ability Persona 4: Manifestation of Truth itself Persona 5: BIG GUN

[@thatoneyuuki4336]

they forgot about the P3 protag having the Fusion attacks (like Cadenza and stuff)

[@jorjorbanks8876]

That doesn't change anything tho :)

[@venomcuregaming6734]

@@demifiendreal9101 I mean *Armageddon* is just mega fucking severe almighty attack and since the p4 and p5 team don't have a way to counter it by default minato wins but I don't know how that works in lore

[@shadex0437]

@@venomcuregaming6734 I'm guessing the only way they could counter it is with futaba final guard or have the survival trick and does it do 9999 damage like %wise so it always goes through any type of defense. If not guarding MIGHT work

[@venomcuregaming6734]

@@shadex0437 and not to mention minato can do it twice if not more cause of the power of the universe

[@shadex0437]

@@venomcuregaming6734 The power of the universe arcana is never really explained so I dont know

[@acjackson127]

Actually the phantom thieves have the most mobility, not only do that have Morgana but also Ryuji. He can run at the speed of sound.

[@dbulletztv]

acjackson127 he's not the flash 😂

[@acjackson127]

Ivan TV Clearly you weren't paying attention to the God of speed.

[@dbulletztv]

acjackson127 he runs like someone who does track. which of course he does.

[@acjackson127]

Ivan TV How blasphemous

[@JojoDigitalArtist]

Don't forget Makoto with her bike persona

[@ryemabini8988]

Also you know who thinks, is smart, practices some sort of defense, has no weakness and wields revolvers other than Naoto? Makoto. She's weak to Psy, which who the hell specializes in or has at all. Maybe 3 and narukami kun? Im not sure. But going by that logic Haru has no weakness too. *plus points to phantom thieves*

[@Mojo1356]

I think some characters from 3 and 4 got psy and nuke skills in Q2.

[@therubydmensionsl881]

In a remake of P4 I think teddie might have psy and naoto nuke and for p3 I guess Ken with psy and koromaru with nuke

[@tylanwyatt8127]

Wait if this is technically within a palace and plays by cognition rules, then yosuke IS fast, Chie is the dragon, and Yukiko CAN cook, so they have to win

[@ibuprofen_psychosis]

Tatsuya's crew would manhandle all three at once, since they all got the wildcard. And Eikichi's got a fucking guitar case machine gun, come on.

[@simonguanlao8115]

Moonman well fuck i need to play innocent sin/eternal punishment now

[@venomcuregaming6734]

Moonman a wildcard doesn't mean anything when you are up against a semi immortal junpei and revolver jesus

[@itsboku]

THANK YOU SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT

[@kamataro1482]

venomcuregaming Tatsuya remade the universe on his own, and has enough mental strength to maintain his sense of self in the Sea of Souls (a place where you are everyone and everyone is you). Mental strength is directly proportionate with Persona power, so that makes Tatsuya stupidly powerful.

[@bentvk2248]

They also have Maya and the power of positivity

[@matthewcoyle4131]

Awww yeah! It's the showdown we've all been waiting for! Who is best wai....... I mean which game has the best team!

[@keziahavila4827]

Clearly Yukiko and Futaba would win

[@Evil_Beauty]

Yukiko would definitely win. Her awful cooking is even more powerful than a megdiloan.

[@hopechr]

the toaster wins, but futaba makes the toaster defeat everyone else before kiling itself via hacks

[@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646]

Then Tatsuya steps in and mops the floor with all of them except Joker (who could keep up with him) and Minato.

[@goroakechi6126]

And me, if I exist.

[@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646]

@@goroakechi6126 You do. However, you're not officially a Phantom Thieves despite being more powerful than Joker (before the endgame).

[@goroakechi6126]

@@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646 I’d say I do, as I spent more time with them then Kasumi, who is actually a phantom thief.

[@atomnum9]

Are we talking about fully evolved MCs? None of them can keep up unless they have their final persona, because if that’s the case, Tatsuya walks in and gets whooped

[@masterchiefpettyofficerspa3646]

@@atomnum9 Tatsuya can stop time. No one could touch him. Even without that, he's been fighting solo against wildcard users for the majority of Eternal Punishment while the P5 cast could barely beat Akechi with one.

[@shadedergu9921]

Oh yeah, about Aigis being hacked, I do remember saying that after the answer she cannot be, but everyone is forgetting that she still cannot really be hacked to harm her teammates or even let them come into harm, even when Icuchki or whatever his name was commanded her programming to do so as a sacrifice in the journey she still overcame that to save them. I also said this earlier, but the P3 Protagonist was using exclusively his own power to overcome Nyx, who was accepted to be Eternal and unable to be killed, cause she is death. In the answer it is revealed that not even his own teammates were fully supporting him and the world yearned to die. Even Igor said that he would never imagine seeing this power within his lifetime, that of the Universe Arcana. He does not need Armageddon, and he would likely not lose Aigis even if she was hacked to begin with. His power of the Universe Arcana (which transcended a persona and enabled him to create an Eternal seal that could overcome the wills of all of humanity for all Eternity, alongside become immune to the almighty attribute without a persona) just makes him broken, he found a way to win a fight that literally could not be won through death, Since death cannot die, and where P5 needed the wills of all of humanity to destroy a being humanity created, the P3 protag could fight the wills of all of humanity and arguably even his own friends who supported him to battle a being who had all of Humanity’s support. If we include any form of any of the protagonists, P3 outclasses them. By lore and by feat he does things that soar above all of the other protag by leagues, hell he wasn’t actually even given the Wildcard, he developed it. He just became what he was, over being given the power by the ultimate antagonist to just use friendship to roid it. But yeah, his Ultimate form which is supposed to possess anything between fathomless or actual infinite/omnipotent power without needing anyone else or even a persona would just sweep the others, his weaker forms also reflect that same ability in just awakening to his power and being at or above the rest of the cast; he’ll even Tartarus exploration would lead him to be the only combatants against bosses due to raw power and adaptability, this is pushed further especially through how he like the rest of the P3 cast don’t need to be in a special world to be super powerful, they are always as powerful and can always summon at any time, and unlike P4 or P5; they nurtured and trained in a state where everything was more difficult and even the world itself basically fed on their wills, so going into the TV world or metaverse would likely put them at the same if not higher levels in every trait, since again every fight or series of fights (including Nyx) had to take place within an hour, unlike in P4 or P5 where they had several hours if not half a day for one fight, every fight took place within seconds or minutes. So not only would Aigis illogically be able to be halted by Futaba through an actual feat done during the journey where she ignored her programming and commands to kill the cast before the answer where she transcends being a machine, but the rest of the cast just had more required of them and fought under conditions and with requirements that already outclassed the rest of them, if not just outclassing them in raw ability and strength, if the P3 cast could take blows from and damage Erebus, and combat death itself (both against the wills of the world/even their own wills mind y’all), that would outclass blinding oneself and fighting against control, especially since those both had at least their own casts’ full support. It just isn’t a contest from confirmed lore and feats, even if severely lowballed. Igor would not call the Universe Arcana unfathomable and something beyond what he thought he would witness in his lifetime, and call the P3 protag the best guest he ever had if he was not unfathomably powerful or as Igor said Infinitely powerful and capable of defeating what could not be defeated; where nothing is outside of his power or understanding, and then just ignore saying anything of that scale outside of how P5 overcame terrible odds that were rigged against him (which aren’t even of that scale) if P3 was not a class of his own. Hell he even remarked at the insane potential of the P3 protag when looking through his being at his personas. He is a class his own, same as his companions. Like people look down on Ken for being a grade schooler, but he could still combat death and a terrible apathy, many look down on good boi Koromaru, but he can literally inflict death via fire and darkness and is immune to both, and is one of the few characters confirmed to be capable of killing shadows with no knowledge of and experience with his persona (the other one being Akihiko and the guy from Arena), Aigis is a powerhouse, Akihiko is a powerhouse, Mitsuru has had more experience in this world than any other character ever as far as combat with shadows go (save again the guy from arena and Strega), Junpei is impossible to kill, Yukari is apparently able to shoot you no matter what you do due to wind control, Fuuka is apparently impossible to harm when within her persona, and as much as Shinji gets a bad rep due to dying to bullets (fired from a magnum and several of them btw), people do forget how weapons are amplified by their persona users, that is why they can harm shadows with them, not everyone had to use their fists like Akihiko, so weapons would also grow more powerful and capable of harm through the same reasons, meaning that a bullet is more than bullet level when fired by a persona user. We do not know how powerful those Magnum rounds became. The only real feats of the casts that P3 would lack is that the other two casts fought wildcard users, only exception being that those wildcard users were not using their full potentials (or even that much of it since no Igor or friends), and they even needed to fight together to stand a chance, where the P3 cast was only experienced with Strega as far as Persona users went. But again, Adachi wasn’t really all that strong and only used one persona, and Akechi naturally was strong, but still only used two personas and was not near peak potential. We are also forgetting how SEES members who stayed active after the answer were still fighting shadow anomalies and phenomena as they arose (meaning other events like the dark hour among other things that we never saw and could still be pretty bad) in small groups or even splitting up. So how powerful Akechi is for soloing palaces May not even be all that much compared to even 1-2 P3 members for being able to tackle phenomena that could be easier, as bad, or worse in small groups or while split up. And as much as that is post answer as an example, we are ignoring how that strength was what they possessed potentially even a year after the answer (since there dealings post answer are revealed in Arena), with a year or two more of doing more of that until Arena. So again if they are capable of similar if not greater strengths soon after what we see (knowing how they aren’t that much stronger in the answer cause of playing strength catch up after a long break) to Akechi. Before the Answer (since we aren’t counting how most of the P3 cast has Megidoloan alongside Aigis having the Wildcard) a lot of the P3 cast could just fully heal, most of it actually, and two of the others could apparently regenerate (if we let Shinji breathe), and the other one was apparently super difficult to hit much less injure. This is far more than the P4 cast, and the P5 cast only has two real healers, one of whom is basically made of Paper. And most of the P3 cast can also remove resistances before the answer, meaning that P4 damage absorption personas and P5 nulls mean nothing, everyone can be hit at full force by every P3 character at all times, which hurts bad if you consider only starting personas or only evolved personas for the protags, since break spells are P3 cast staples. That would then potentially eliminate all protags save P4 due to OHKO weaknesses if we do no evolve for them, and not to mention Fuuka is literally incapable of being harmed in her persona like how Futaba is difficult to reach. People also enjoy ignoring how Labrys is an older and more vulnerable model than Aigis, and Aigis May be incapable of being overridden in those ways, and Futaba May have to physically interact with Aigis to do so if even possible, making her very vulnerable. Sorry about the rant

[@kazeace853]

@@jorjorbanks8876 Yes but his is more Powerful why? because his wild card was developed inside him for a decade and He overcame "Death" inside him and gain control of his power which resulted him Gaining the Universe Arcana rather than the World.

[@kazeace853]

@@jorjorbanks8876 I guess you don't know who NYX is, first of all Nyx is an omnipotent being so she doesn't gain or lose power from anything she was simply doing what Humanity wanted/will, The Universe isn't the same as The World Arcana and it's power is not to seal something and kill them The Universe Arcana is something The protagonist developed with the help of the wild card combined with the power of Death and it has the ability to make the impossible into reality which Igor stated himself he never thought he'll see it in his life, The protagonist Sealed NYX because she can't be killed for she is truly Omnipotent and no friendship bs can break it and He had to sacrifice himself to be the seal/lock for NYX forever as he is the only one strong enough to seal her with the Universe Arcana. Also he isn't dead he's just asleep like an immortal Petrified Person in a coma and it is implied that Persona 3 story is still not over as Elizabeth is looking for a way to release Him from the seal (I don't know how she'll do it and what will happen if she does) but it was shown that Elizabeth is making Progress as when she promised to save him she gained/became a wild card user and she implied that it's the key to saving him.

[@kazeace853]

@@jorjorbanks8876 Well sorry but your facts are completely wrong, P3 protag did unlock the Universe Arcana with the help of Social Links but it wouldn't have been that powerful if it wasn't helped with him having the wild card and the power of Death, Also even if P5 protag is as powerful as Erubus then that just shows how weaker P5 protag is when Erubus can't even scratch the P3 protag. Also Erubus is nowhere 1% of NYX and Erubus didn't activate NYX's power Erubus is simply the one who woke up NYX that's why the P3 protag is keeping Erubus at bay.

[@kazeace853]

@@jorjorbanks8876 Him being able to seal NYX is a big feat in itself, If you don't know who NYX is (but judging from your dialogue you probably don't) she's the most powerful Being you'll know in the Persona Universe, oh plus none of what i said is mere speculation as it's mentioned in the P3 guidebook which is officially canon fyi, the fact that you say P3 protag is the weakest (well it's your opinion) means you never did any research. Also if you're gonna argue over NYX then I won't reply if your reply obviously shows no actual effort in researching.

[@kazeace853]

@@jorjorbanks8876 just read the P3 guidebook please if you're that uninformed about the universe arcana, the P3 protag and NYX, plus you think P3 protag is the weakest when you haven't said why or have you even compared him to any other protagonist, he's the only one who have an actual backstory and origins to develop the wild card, he have the power of death inside him since he was a child, he alone can summon two personas to create fusion spells and he's able to use his powers in the real world. Say I'm biased if you want to but just so you know my favorite protag is Maya no matter what.

[@damascusunverse8183]

Goro Akechi solos everyone. You see that mans moveset? Lmao

[@VolticWind]

Damascus Unverse Robin Hood isn’t his true Persona, Loki is.

[@mystic_spider]

*Za Warudo

[@yannispirou101]

He even solos the palaces alone when he is entering the metaverse to mentally shutdown people.

[@connorpittman5341]

@@VolticWind Pretty sure that is what he is referring to.

[@TechBlade9000]

@@VolticWind He's a wild card, he can have both