SEGWAY ES2 vs ES4 vs MAX REVIEW | What's the BEST Ninebot Electric Scooter?

[@froknowsphoto]

UPDATE. After spending more and more time riding the max and not living on the third floor any more, I like the max more. My es4 started to have issues with getting up to speed off the line. It would slowly get to 12 mph and take a few blocks to finally get up to max speed. That’s just not acceptable. If you can afford the Max and can carry it up a few stairs, then I’d go with the max.

[@joegamestv]

I purchased an ES4 two weeks ago and it ran at like 29kph for a couple of days and now it only goes 19kph

[@BboysnowNYC]

I just went through 2 es4s that had error code 42. I returned both and picked up the Max. I seen a lot of people here in NYC riding the Max and I asked every single one of them how has it been holding up and everyone one of them had told me that they've been having no issues. That Es4 external battery sucks! Stick with the Max.

[@irishwonnacott8077]

Thanks for the review. My hubby is getting me the Max. So excited to use it going to work.

[@executor.7867]

is ithe max still good?

[@markbsb7176]

Executor. I did a review of the MAX and I am really enjoying it

[@dConceptdk]

I bought the ES4 two years ago, I love everything about it. I have now driven about 750 kilometers with it and have no problems except some sqirky sounds. That can be fixed. And with the extra battery you can climb steeper hills and take more weight. It is still quick and fast as it has always been.

[@someone-yj2im]

Hey, would you still suggest it as a scooter for other people? Are there any defects in it you found? Is it true what people say that the max speed gets lower after a few time?

[@dConceptdk]

someone no defects and still drives as fast as ever :) I will defenetly buy one again in case something happens to it.

[@paulryder7154]

@@dConceptdk ride the max or the f40 and you will realise the es4 is a like a toy in comparison, i just got the f40 after a year of the es4, I could never ever go back now

[@valid6532]

​@@dConceptdk how is it doing

[@Tennouseijin]

19:20 When the battery is low and the scooter slows down, it's not a feature to conserve the battery. It's the fact that battery voltage falls as the battery is depleted, and the lower the voltage, the lower the current in the motor. Some people even 'mod' their scooters with higher voltage batteries and controllers to get faster speeds (though it should be done responsibly, since it may overheat the motor, among other issues)

[@adamwolstenholme]

No dual card slots, 2/10

[@Jungmin_Seo]

ES4 has dual batteries tho.

[@marc5279]

nor vertical grip like wtf is this

[@adamwolstenholme]

@@Jungmin_Seo you have my attention 👀

[@keekwai2]

@@marc5279 In English?

[@bonerboy196]

i know right not even a trunk on it

[@thatoneguymccool1469]

I would like the mention that if you're using the app for the MAX, there's actually a button that turns the back light on, it is NOT a reflector. But it's not a brake light, it's either on or off, in addition, they dont require you to pick up speed to start the motor, that is just the default setting within the app, you can start from a standstill if you want to do so.

[@vanvredenburgh399]

I use the ES4 as a commuter (~8mi r/t) in addition to the metro rail. I use the escalator in the stations with no issue of others being able to pass me on the steps. With most of the weight (95%ish) of the ES4 in the steering column, (for me) it's easier to balance on the step without having to fold/carry it. If the escalator stops, then it's easier to just pick up by the column and carry unfolded the rest of the way. Of note, I think if the front tire is resting against prior step on the escalator, as the step begins to recede, it will detect enough resistance from the tire and stop the escalator. I've had my ES4 for ~4 years and have noticed times that it doesn't get up to full speed (Red S mode) on a full charge or has slight surges at lower speed. If I stop, turn off the ES4, restart, and begin riding again, the problem goes away. The software is all current on the ES4. While I would love to have larger tires, the form of the ES4, in my humble opinion, is easier to negotiate on public transportation than the Max or other larger scooters, given the speed and features of the ES4.

[@chrischan5168]

I SCOOT RAW.

[@keenangreen54]

Under rated comment

[@mrmister11-n1o]

what does this mean 😭😭

[@Benjorbius]

I SCOOT RAW 🗣️🔥🔥

[@markbsb7176]

It does make sense why the throttle and max speed gets lower when the battery is lower. It does it to preserve the battery and still get you where you need to go. Like a Tesla as I get down to 10% left in the battery it limits the speed to help keep the batteries preserved. Most companies will do this to help alleviate warranty calls because the battery sucks.

[@zbigniewpankiewicz7356]

3 min content in almost 1/2 hour... briliant...

[@TechBounds]

Almost 😄

[@LastStopGaming]

I have the ninebot max, I put 500+ miles on it and it's still holding up good! everything works still.

[@colinkasiarz9082]

Hey you probably won’t see this but I was debating on buying the max tonight, would you recommend it?

[@LAC32Griffin]

@@colinkasiarz9082 hell yes

[@colinkasiarz9082]

@@LAC32Griffin have you had any issues with it? Mine comes Tuesday

[@SpontaneityJD]

@@colinkasiarz9082 How is it? :)

[@colinkasiarz9082]

@@SpontaneityJD good. Aren’t suppose to get it wet but I went in the mud a little bit and it’s easy clean up honestly, good speed, quality, relaxing mobility with the 10in tires. Doesn’t take that long to charge. Would recommended you don’t mind spending for it. But worth it

[@A.DJC.PRODUCTION]

I just bought Max’s the other day for me and my wife. We live them. It more stable and sturdy than the other 2. If anybody is interested in buying one of these, go with the Max 🙌🏾

[@froknowsphoto]

I didn’t like the risk of a flat personally

[@A.DJC.PRODUCTION]

Jared Polin that’s understandable. Just finished watching the video and I live in the ‘burbs so the streets are much smoother and I have a garage. I live on the 3rd floor so if I didn’t have one, I would have went with the ES4 as well. Great video 👍🏾👍🏾

[@A.DJC.PRODUCTION]

*we love them

[@gbrothers6060]

I sold My es4 and bought the Max and trust me its a much better ride the 4 hit any were its not comfy and also it pulls dirt up in it alot and when Ride in water all that water go up on your back the mud gaurd is crap and all the weight is on the front of the 4 and after awhile it ll start make this funny noise 😳

[@pokemonhunter6337]

can't you scoot with it if no power ? like a normal scooter ?

[@Poxitro]

You're the only person to mention how to get it going, I swear I was trying to get it working indoor and was getting mad it doesnt work - spend an hour searching only to get an anwser here, thank you! (1st time user).

[@RoyaltyFreeVideoClips]

Double tap the throttle to get going

[@larsosejohansen]

Is this what’s happening when the money truck from Sony doesn’t show up?

[@Fuentez4800]

Thanks so much! I’m going to get the es2 for my gf going about a mile or two to work in college! Appreciate the review!

[@02337755]

FRO KNOWS SCOOTOS.....

[@lucifirartwork6234]

.com

[@02337755]

@@lucifirartwork6234 ....See Ya.

[@TechBounds]

Org 😊

[@cryptmind4202]

I got max the other day. Fun thing. Battery lasts quite a decent amount.

[@dannydan7201]

I love my es4 . The main selling point for me is the portability on public transport when I fold it , it is small enough to fit between my legs while seated on a train or bus. If I had the max it would be too large for public transport. I guess you can still use the max on public transport but you will find yourself standing more while on the bus or train.

[@JonesHand]

How tall are you?

[@Hush.44]

I own a MAX and the break light functions on the back it is the pill shaped thing on the fender. Thanks.

[@wangox]

Ye . I thought it was wierd, it's a review and he obviously tested it but missed that the rear break light does blink when breaking. Not good

[@ralphdayot9444]

Jakob really? Specs say it does not have a rear break light. When did you buy yours? Maybe they have an updated max model?

[@dkezar]

Yeah light blinks when stopping, and there is a setting to always have the back light on. Which I enable. Can also change the max start speed from 3 MPH to 1 or 0 with the custom firmware.

[@rekahnmonis73]

I think they either have the brake light or they don't depending on your regions legal requirements, after all, more lights mean more battery drain. I have the 2020 ES4 and the ambient light is rather obnoxious and draws too much attention to yourself

[@occupytosavetheworld]

scooting raw sounds like you need to take your dog to the vet

[@LE672AJ]

Definitely an “I Scoot Raw” shirt coming out in the near future.

[@kengodwin3879]

I debated between the ES4 and the max. Wanted the bigger tires and greater range of the max, but ultimately went with the 4 based on the fact that I'll never get a flat. That and the tail light. I ride to work in the dark. 301 days and 395 miles later and not a single issue. I live in a colder climate and battery capacity has suffered somewhat this first winter, but the info says that's to be expected and that it will return when it warms up again. Overall, I love it and wish I had bought it sooner.

[@WhenTheUhh]

12:45 The Max does have a brake light!

[@damnjustassignmeone]

The Max is incredible value for the money. The best overall scooter under $1000 I think. The ES2 is interesting, but more of a last mile commuter I think. Love what Segway/Ninebot have been doing.

[@sterfry94]

Got almost 300 miles on my es4. Drive it 15 miles each way to work. You can buy the rental scooter edition all white no miles for half off. Roughly 400.

[@pimpinelishaw95w]

Any cons other than the suspension?

[@JuanVargas-ix5ft]

@@pimpinelishaw95w it's non foldable

[@SmoothxBadger]

My es4 developed error 14 which limits my speed to 8mph on small inclines. The only fix is to send it in which takes forever.

[@hajmanek]

I bought more than a year ago ES2 for my Mrs, she's working as a personal carer with elderly peoples and she need to visit few of them per day. Is great for the lady and also not as heavy like the other scooters. ES2 working very well in my area and is not flat around, lot of hills, also battery life is not bad at all. Now she change the company and not need this ride anymore, so I am using it for my riding to town centre, etc. One big issue with ES2 are screws coming loose all around and scooter start coming wobbly, and every few weeks I need to tide up all. Also don't forget to switch on the power before you start riding (happen to her and me few times), it is not a good experience when you start riding down from the hill and you cannot slowing down your ride.

[@liamsamuel4218]

I ordered the ES4 yesterday, waiting for it now. Who knows how long it will take. I can't wait to try it out. I got it to commute to work in NYC. Thanks for a in-depth review of these scooters! I was literally trying to find a quality review and I really couldn't. ES4 and I Shoot Raw! Shout out to Jared! By the way, that was funny how you said you don't ride at night, I don't blame you. I unfortunately have to do it coming back from work later in the evening.

[@mladdplayGames]

I have it for like 2-3 weeks now and it is terrible. The extra battery is giving me problems and they can't do anything about it. Return this product and don't buy Segway. If you do open this box, you will regret it. I recommend a turbowheel swift instead of this. Thank me later

[@Juliatennisrock]

did you received the scooter. how long they took for shipping? I have been waiying 6 days and they still don't ship it!!!

[@3nigmaG]

It's been 4 months. What's you review on the ES4? I'm in the market for an electric scooter. I'm debating on either the ES4 or Max. I also live in the city.

[@billymurphy3]

With the extra battery, the es2 becomes the es4. If you’re questioning it between the es1 and es2, get the es2. I’ve ridden in Chicago, you don’t want something that has that little power and battery life for actual useful riding and dealing with higher grade climbs. I would personally get the es2 and install the external battery to boost the power and speed if you needed.

[@kaneclark7171]

Old post but no the official store even said the es2 with external battery isn't the same as the es4 Completely different motor in front wheel

[@fredbissnette3104]

just bought an es2 rode it today to work 9km away works great, been riding e bikes for 5 years so far I'm happy

[@brunonunesdepaula2214]

wow, this vid came just in time! i was suffering trying to find a video with these comparisons... i'm going with the es4 too!

[@BboysnowNYC]

Do not get the es4. After a week or month you will have battery issues. I went through 2 and returned 2. Getting the Max because I did more research. Good luck!

[@nawalsalihi3399]

I've had my es4 for 6 months and no problem with it

[@phatplates]

@@BboysnowNYCcode 42, 48 and 54. Every. Single. Time.

[@larrylalzbeats9931]

I've got over 500km on my max. I don't need to drive to work anymore. The back fender broke of but I had crashed it a few times. It looks meaner now. Lol Its a tank though, a torque monster too. Super smooth and I highly recommend it

[@1972myc]

Your final choice was my final choice and for the same reasons. Being Lighter and airless tires. I used to ride my bicycle to work during dry weather here in Northen Illinois. You would not believe how many flat tires I got a week. Some on a daily basis, even when I used expensive self healing inner tubes. It was a nightmare! Now with the ES4 I ride on the same area of the roads. I have no worries & no flats!

[@webcrawlerfan]

the MAX does have a rear break light.. thank you for the review

[@webcrawlerfan]

I am 50 and got the MAX, it's awesome. I have even done some extreme jumps on it off curbs, launched over cracked sidewalks... I have cruised all over L.A. and South Central, great battery life....

[@skeletor7895]

@@webcrawlerfan October’s coming up for your birthday!!

[@webcrawlerfan]

@@skeletor7895 Thank you...(birthday in July)

[@Benjorbius]

@@webcrawlerfanhope you had an amazing birthday this year man 🫡

[@tomjanowski8584]

Don't ever make price the deciding factor. I used to shop extensively with Amazon until I had a series of serious customer service issues. The cheapest sellers on Amazon aren't always "authorized" sellers and if they aren't some manufacturers won't honor the warranty. Now, whenever possible, I buy directly from the manufacturer or a retailed that is recommended/linked on the manufacturer's site. It's nice to develop a relationship with the actual manufacturer.

[@Blackchyna23]

The best comparison video I’ve ever watched by far!! thank you very much for this, watching all the way from the UK🇬🇧

[@mattp2089]

Hello there, Mr. Polin. I am a young photo/video fan. I have been watching your videos for about a year now and you never disappoint. I always love the variety and excitement in your content. Keep up the great work and have a great day!

[@MightyChoctaw]

Been using a Xiaomi Mijia for a few years, cost about $250 at the time. With a little $2 rubber insert to stabilise the handlebars, it's awesome. Cheap as chips, relative to western brands, and incredibly well made, functional, and reliable, like all Xiaomi gear. But of course it's a Chinese brand, so all the yanks have been warned off it. Shame, as it's a really nice bit of kit.

[@antonioperezsanchez6910]

whats your thoughts on it as a commuter? Ive got about a 3 mile trek to get to work that i'd rather do on an E scooter than my bike during the winter if possible

[@PaprykowyMonarcha]

Tank you for the review. I find it pretty useful!

[@rionijam6137]

your review is the best review I have ever seen let alone a review on just E scooters, would love to see a review on all scooters on the planet that is best in value based on price, speed, distance travelled, kilowatts, weight, quality, ride type eg suspension or no suspension and so on, thanks jared.

[@Olafleflibustier]

Great review, clear and complete !! it's changes a little, it's cool ! \m/

[@mr.yadiggacslatter4842]

This video was amazing and very descriptive. I recently purchased an ES2 since I work construction and alot of times have to park far away from the job site. I haven't received mine yet but atm the ES2 was cheap enough to give it a try. I may in the future purchase the max once spring comes around

[@TheWannabeGeek]

Hey there Jared, loved your video. Awesome review. Just letting you know that the Max has a rear light which flashes when the breaks are applied. I know the comparison chart says reflector, however, I have two of the Max Scooters... They both have a light and flash when breaks applied. :)

[@ThePsycotrip]

you can also set it to always be on in the app and it still flashes when u brake

[@STR82DVD]

You read my mind as I look at the rear LIGHT on my Max. 😏👍

[@STR82DVD]

@@ThePsycotrip yup, works great on my Max. Not crazy about the app but hey, it works basically.

[@FotoKoffe]

The new t-shirts: I SCOOT NOW

[@TheWannabeGeek]

He could have a T - I Scoot in the RAW 😊

[@davidbierbaum4881]

I got beat to the punch with "I Scoot RAW!"

[@keekwai2]

"I Scoot, therefore I am".

[@julieyi1591]

wow great review. my head’s been spinning trying to compare and I also live in philly so SUPER helpful. thank you!

[@evan_almightyy92]

I'm having hard time deciding! Which one did you pick?

[@d332136]

I have done es2 with external battery and also max

[@d332136]

Please go max

[@evan_almightyy92]

@@d332136 what about ES4?

[@d332136]

@@evan_almightyy92 haven't tried it but my fear is its the same as the es2. The Max is consistently faster and does hills better. I did the same research you are doing. Get the max

[@Philoreason]

super useful vid, you exactly answer the questions that I've been asking myself. Now I know which one I'm gonna get. It is: ES4!!! I use it for commute, so I need something that I can carry onto a bus or train and fold up nicely. Range is not a concern at all as the station to my office is about 1 mile only.

[@froknowsphoto]

Yes perfect for carrying. The max is great but too heavy for what you need.

[@bennyliu5760]

So why not just get the es2?

[@Alex-kf7yv]

@@froknowsphoto is the es4 battery removable? and mayb to go extra miles you can buy another external battery for it.

[@th0m4s3]

The es2 can be good if you live on a pancake. If there are hills in your area you can either buy the extra battery and upgrade to es4, or you can throw the es2 in the trash. It doesn’t matter how small the hill is, the es2 won’t get you up.

[@RyanPaton]

Use Armor-Dilloz tire sealant in your personal electric vehicle tires... It's safe for tires and aluminum and steel so you won't damage the tires or the rims... No need to worry about getting a flat tire!!! Use it in my Onewheel and it's fabulous!

[@666demonknight666]

Personally I prefer to have the batteries in the steering column. Having it inside the board is just too risky. ES2 and 4 has the LED ground lights, it is soo beautiful.

[@nexoyt8501]

So ur saying you’d rather have a front motor?

[@666demonknight666]

NeXo YT yep which ever as long as I’m not standing on top of the batteries. I know the Max has batteries inside the board but prefer to have it in the column.

[@theconjuror112]

THANK YOU so much for making this video!! I was looking for this!

[@Brandon-jn5qq]

For reference, (excluding the MAX) the ES2 is upgradable to the ES4 by buying the external battery. With that in mind you can buy the ES2 as a starting point, once you feel comfortable and ready for more power / longer battery life, add on the external battery.

[@tonyzag1481]

exactly what i have done. got the second battery after 8mnths. i've had it for just over a year now and have scooted just over 2000km. still going well.

[@johnhaythorpe206]

A very comprehensive review. However, I believed you omitted a-very very important characteristic (esp. for those of if you don't live in a flat area), is the incline ability. The max is able to climb inclines in excess of 20 degrees even with me on it (130kg, 20 & 1/s stone, or 286pounds), by zig-zagging up the road. I have a Ninebotbot max now, as I returned my first scooter (similar to the ESC2/4), it just would not take me up the hill in my street, the Max drops to 1/2 speed, but makes it up the hill. The ability to navigate steep inclines may override the problems with carrying it up 3 flights or stairs.

[@SpontaneityJD]

Yeah, he updated and recommends the Max now. I'm debating getting one myself.. hmmm

[@johnhaythorpe206]

I use my max to drive "the last mile", by parking in a free spot 1-2km from work and use the Max to get to work and back to the car in the evening. I use the scooter as utilitarian (rater than recreational), and I save about $3,300 a year in parking fees.

[@SpontaneityJD]

@@johnhaythorpe206 genius idea..wow

[@rudymans.1858]

I remember, 15 years ago, I made a science tech report about segway's 2 wheel self balanced transporter. Now I just bought their e scooter max. So happy!

[@joelrodriguez1806]

Thanks, you answered all the questions I had. Now all I have to do is decide on price between the 4 and the max.👍

[@torrunelade3004]

Well done, this is the best and only(?) comparison afaik. I hope Ninebot is super happy with this one.

[@MasonTorrey]

When the battery loses charge, it doesn't limit your speed to conserve battery. It just doesn't have enough voltage to give you max speed.

[@denverbroncos4]

"you put the handlebar into the.. the shaft" lmaooo

[@roncelmaxwell]

Great review. I loved how you gave a clear and precise choice at end.

[@rockawaybeachlive2878]

Pretty good review. i have a max for a few months now and use for ubereats. Heres a few more things your viewers should know: 1. you can still buy the charger for segway and charge the max a bit faster through the second charge hole next to the regular cable one. 2. you can update the max firmware using a flash app and get the max to go 20 miles an hour. 3. if you want spend 250 -350 more, you can buy a 48v battery and upgrade the max to go 32 miles an hour 4. you can buy a third party premium front shock for the max off amazon with a nice cool look for about 100 bucks. www.amazon.com/Monorim-Suspension-Upgrade-Electric-Scooter/dp/B07Y5HNK4K/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=ninebot+max+scooter+shock&qid=1599409957&sr=8-6 5. in terms of breaking, you probably didnt realize that you can adjust the strength of the break by tightening the upper screw by the break tire. but becareful, if you tighten it all the way, you can easily flip it if you hit the break hard and you're not used to it.

[@froknowsphoto]

I can make my Max go faster???

[@radubudan5538]

@@froknowsphoto read 2 and 3

[@DanielAmezcuaPhotography]

Why not a one wheel pint?

[@keensoundguy6637]

Exactly. Pick a Onewheel or else an ebike. A scooter seems like a silly choice to me. It's probably a good idea to carry a modest rope when out on a Onewheel in case you get stranded with a dead battery, so that you can tow it rather than having to carry it.

[@CheeseOnEverything]

Lol seriously, just bought a onewheel pint, best thing I've ever ridden

[@Brickbuilder128]

One wheel pint can't go 40 miles of range in one charge. Ninebot MAX is able to.

[@steveedwards1146]

Your review is very informational! On my Grandma scooter ES2 I'm getting 28MPH with a 160LB person on it on Level Ground.

[@froknowsphoto]

That’s not possible. Maybe kilometers and hour. But not miles per hour.

[@lukedaluke3279]

@@froknowsphoto lmao

[@joelrodriguez-kf1lk]

Checking the tire pressure daily is key, Xiomi compressor is worth having the tires on Max lose air pressure and it makes a big difference up hills and acceleration, PSI of 50 for bigger riders will have you zooming around town and up hills

[@malfunkt]

Got the Max. It's more a complete vehicle. But the tradeoffs are real. All the points you made a valid. If you are looking for the latest most portable option the new Segway Air T15 is coming out. Still on Kickstarter where you can save a bit off MSRP.

[@onyertod]

Max is like the truck of scooters. Feels really solid. A bit heavy to lift but the weight makes for a more reassuring ride. I heard they were designed to also appeal to hire companies where scooters get a pounding.

[@Juliatennisrock]

I have bought the es4 on segway website and still have no information of the shipping. someone knows how many days they took for shipping? I have been waiting for 6 days!!!

[@suspiciousmembers7719]

Welcome to my current frustration with SEGWAY! I pre-ordered the MAX G30LP (18.8mph/ 25.5 mile range) and that process never went through and my money was returned. Then I give it another go round;because who could give up on the pursuit of happiness? Now, that order has been cancelled. I reached out to Segway via Zendesk Online Chat (takes about 30min to actually live chat with a supposed human and they placed the blame on my credit card company blocking it due to :shipping address/billing conflict lol.. Credit Card Company: Segway didn't accept order. Did I mention, never once during the order process did they tell me it was denied? Now, I await to see if Amazon could be the glue to the crack heads at Segway!

[@suspiciousmembers7719]

Honestly, I have an ES2(control board failure) and I won't talk down on SEGWAY BUTTTTTT their quality control is non existent nor customer service. I wouldn't invest in the ES line until u read all the reviews first. I guess I failed to mention I bought my ES2 from a private supplier and I only spent $300 but if I paid full price and faced the same quality issues I have had (super loose screws after one ride...control board issues seconds later..to complete power loss)---I would hate Segway for life. Yet here I am waiting for another taste of freedom on two wheels

[@BboysnowNYC]

@@suspiciousmembers7719 That happened to my es4. I went through 2 of them in 4 weeks. Both had external battery issues. I knew I should've gotten the Max. Everyone I've spoken to who have the max have said that they have no issues. The ES models are garbage

[@suspiciousmembers7719]

@@BboysnowNYC I hope the MAX is the solution. I'm still waiting patiently for my own. I feel Segway I'd running a quasi legal Ponzi scheme.

[@adambees2174]

Can you put non air tires on the Segway max?

[@lalomedina1362]

Holy cow I got my ninebot max today and I’m 15 but I consider myself decently strong, at least stronger than most kids my age but I can’t get myself carrying it over my chest, at least not with one hand, I can get it over my head with 2 hands but seeing u carry it with one hand over ur head at first I was like damn 41lb doesn’t look so heavy and now I’m super impressed that u can do that

[@lalomedina1362]

I don’t go to the gym I’m just naturally athletic I guess so I’m also not like buffed but u make carrying the scooter over ur head look so easy

[@crunkwun]

I own both max and es4.. for comparison the es4 going to max is like going from a 50cc petrol scooter to a big fast harley davidson

[@ianadkins471]

Great video... so timely cause I was at the purchase point. Interesting about your choice for ES4.... can’t fault you on that one. Weight and collapsed size was a serious consideration. I went with the MAX.... wanted better stability and range. Mostly cause I will be using it when I am up in Montreal next summer and our roads are worse that your roads in Philly. Hopefully the bigger wheels will keep me from doing an endo 😝. Till then I will have it in Dahlonega Ga where hills will be my challenge. Will be interesting to see how it does there! Thanks again!

[@MeezyBillman]

just a quick correction my friend, the sagway ninebot Max does infact have a rear break light, both 1st generation and 2nd Max has rear break light that lights up wen you pull the hand break. Also wen you turn on the headlight by pushiong the power button 1 time while the scooter is already powered on the rear light also turns on as well as the headlight, then wen pulling the hand break it will start to flash. If your rear light isnt lighting up then you may have a wiring issue and should contact Segway right away for a replacement.

[@ParimalMohile]

Appreciate the detailed review !!

[@ipostgarbage8555]

For the segway ES4 and maybe the ES3 you need to use up one bar of the battery for it to fully break effectively.

[@ipostgarbage8555]

Also the C80 moped becomes more quicker at 70%/80% charge. Two bars mostly

[@mawbaw293]

Im hesitant between the es4 and the MAX,i was scrolling down the comments and saw a lot of people taking about the es4 and having problems with it,but i didnt see anything about cons of the MAX,it was all about people having a great time with the max ,i cant carry the MAX,its just too heavy for me ,but the es4 seems to have problems too,what should i choose The MAX or the es4?

[@swiftrian]

He forgot to mention that extra battery is swappable and spares are $220 on Amazon. So, if you have a big commute you can put a spare battery or 2 in your backpack. You can also always have one on a charger so if you come home and you're low, swap it. Charge it (since you want to charge the main battery as well) but it will cut your time to 3ish hours instead of 7. That made the decision really easy for me. Hope that helps you as well.

[@swiftrian]

Oh and the extra battery on the scooter is the same one you can buy spares of and they only weigh 1.5kg/3.3lbs and if you extrapolate the info. Each battery adds on 14+ miles to your distance. So, just one extra could get you to that 41mile mark or if you have 2, to 55miles. So, definitely a bonus over the Max. Even with the 2 extra batteries and possibly a 50 mile range, combined weight is only 37ish lbs.

[@yairrakhminov2794]

This is the best review I’ve seen thank u so much I liked

[@astrofizzix4498]

I just purchased a white ES 2 directly from the Segway site. They were having a sale that brought the price down to $499. Plus, they threw in a free combo cable lock and a handlebar bell. I'm thinking of just using it to get lunch when I'm at work as the good restaurants are 10+ minute walks away (each way) which isn't good when you only have 30 minutes for lunch.

[@DerbyMods]

I have size 12 shoes and am 6’, although I’ve got issues with my Es2 the fact it works with my size is very nice. My Es2 has the external battery which makes it great for daily commuting and I connect to my destination with Sound Transit Express busses which helps save battery for the hills I’ll inevitably encounter. The shock absorption sucks and makes terrible noises. The brakes are horrible like you mentioned and it makes me feel less safe when going at top speed. I had an issue with the stem getting loose and a screw falling out because of vibrations (which I assume is because of the solid tires). Bumps make me feel like I’m having my life flash before my eyes. Overall, with all that in mind, it’s great for entry level scooting but not something I’d really choose again knowing how my experience has been. However I bought mine (with the battery) for $200 and there’s nothing in that price range that would get me the same performance I’ve had with the Es2.

[@0montecristo0]

Can you remove the extra battery on the es4?

[@noobtard7414]

Nicely done! Very helpful, the most helpful review I could find actually. Thanks

[@atimos187]

Yeah great review bro seeing a lot of videos but I'm gonna say you're 1 is 1 of the best awesome work

[@manusk40]

Yes but is it compatible with the L mount alliance ??

[@Zuzzanna]

😂

[@rafalcheamy]

Thank you for the review, it's just what i needed

[@bejnerowicz]

Classic. Didn’t know I wanted one until after I saw this video haha

[@mendellalvarado4285]

Such a great review man, I appreciate it! (and I went with the Max!)

[@juho1057]

You're going to regret that decision. MAX is much tougher scooter. It's really close to those rental models that have been made to take the beating of thousands of kilometers. Sure ES4 is more lighter but it's also much weaker in construction. Maintaining correct pressure in the tires can't be that hard. Buy 15USD pump and strap it to the handle bar post. I have 1300 miles under my belt with M365 and I have had flat once!

[@andreashelbling-schreiber716]

I bought the ES4 a year ago. It got broken every 3 months or so. I do like 5km per day on streets. After 3 repairs I got a new one, which after 3mt.. is broken again To say it short: this is crapy quality. Oh, I even fixed some screws by myself, or they would just have fallen off during a ride.

[@ariahzach6510]

When you fold them down, can you stand them up and push it on one wheel?

[@LaertKraja1]

Yes you can. I have a ninebot max and you can do that, even though me personally ill grab it at the angle the stem folds and drag the rear brake

[@pokemonhunter6337]

I was thinking to es2.... wondering if you switch off or low power are you able to still use it as a normal scooter ?

[@Phyoomz]

Holy hell. I remember this guy from years ago when I was getting into photography. Good to see him still doing his thing. 1.35M subs? Make that 1,350,001 😉

[@qwertiee]

After many years of buying cheap electric scooters, I finally found a good deal on the ES2 and ended up buying my first ever high-quality electric scooter Only issue is... It's illegal to ride in public in my location 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ (So I guess I'm limited to private property then oof)

[@tootsiefn4233]

Zackeroo HQ what location

[@qwertiee]

@@tootsiefn4233 Australia, NSW I got it for only $400 AU tho - Brand new

[@Professor_Bugs]

You can use a app on android to "hack it" down to a legal speed (If that is why it is illigal). It is called xiaoflasher and can be found on the play store. If you have a iphone, just borrow a firends android for 5 mins. I had to do it with my es4. I bought it before the stores delivered them with the firmware that limits them to 22 km/h (Wich is the legal speed in Norway). So effectivly i just updated the software on the scooter so it was the same as the scooter that they sell in the stores now. Identical bike. ps. The app also lets you re-install the old stock firmware, so you wont lose your warranty if you need to return it. God knows i have. Going to return mine and get my money back tomorrow! Piece of trash bike. If anyone is reading this. DONT BUY ES2 OR ES4.

[@qwertiee]

@@Professor_Bugs Well... hehe I got 2 things to tell you 1. It isn't because of a legal speed or anything and I think it's only because the electric scooter is for some reason considered as a vehicle and therefore a motorbike... Idk how that works :) 2. Yesss, of course, I know about Xiaoflasher, I've already gone through and tried every setting through custom firmware, and have changed my motor constant power to maximum (42000). I think it should be fine, and honestly even if it dies I don't care since I'm going to send it back anyway due to a major creaking issue (The whole scooter creaks everytime I stand on it). If something goes wrong with it I'll just flash to the default firmware and get it repaired along with the creaking issue Thanks for your extended response however

[@marcusesparza9687]

Great review. One of the best I’ve seen. I’m a small guy at only 90 pounds. I just ordered the ES4 and I think that’ll be perfect for me. I just felt the max would be way to heavy for me to carry around.

[@iggytse]

15 years ago I bought a xootr. Only had limited used being non powered. Only good for flat terrain. Any power scooter will need to be good for going over hills to be useful.

[@RPLAsmodeus]

ES4 is great. I have done 1000 miles on mine. It doesn't like big puddles, wet grass or gravel. But on the road its great.

[@DailyDriver.]

Which would you recommend for a student who lives 1.5-3 miles from their college and work? It won’t be heavy traffic. Im thinking the es2 so I can charge it in class or at work.

[@suryaom-abrao]

Fantastic and very needed. Thank you!

[@Nnon11026hj]

Very nice review Jared. And funny too in some parts. Lol

[@rahulkumarrpaydisetty2777]

Thank you for your time and effort for making this video. Video is very detailed and conclusion is really helpful. Keep up doing helpful stuff like this. 👍🏽😁😁😁 Although I live in 1st floor, I’d prefer to have ES4 because it’s handy. 28 miles would be good enough for me

[@joaocosta8316]

Your comment at 18:41 is not accurate. Fully charged, the ES4 will have it's top acceleration that is different if you have it at 30% battery where the acceleration will start getting smoother. However the top speed is the same with or without charge. The top speed only changes once you reach like 10% battery. Maybe you didn't play around with the ride modes where the sport mode will always allow you to reach the top speed.

[@richardtobing5012]

aside from the external battery, is there any different between the es4 and the es2 or is the es4 essentially just an es2 but with a battery?

[@ThePsycotrip]

i used tubeless tire sealant haven't had a leak since

[@gameshoes]

Man, the ES2 would actually work pretty well for me. I live just under 2 miles from work. It's just that I live in a city that boasts a rather high crime rate so..... I would likely get assaulted and have it stolen from me. You don't see anyone riding their bicycles around where I live.

[@anthonyc1883]

Yikes.

[@sterfry94]

Oof

[@cepti7688]

Stay safe man

[@BaldwinFanonGarveyTureShakurX]

Gesh I haven't seen Jared in forever. Definitely wasn't expecting to hear the infamous intro when I clicked on this review

[@123lilflako]

Just ordered a es4 thanks your video was what i was looking for well done !!

[@Juliatennisrock]

did you received the scooter. how long did take the shipping and delivering?

[@graffmixer]

Hands down the Max is the beast. I would think with the ES4, its easier to tip over due to where the battery is placed. Thats why now E-Scooter batteries are placed at the base.

[@armindehnaei1527]

Upgraded from es4 to max and let me tell you the difference of smooth and ride and shape and feel is like double on max...

[@froknowsphoto]

I’ve been riding the max more and more. My es4 started to have weird issues with speed. Like staying at 14 and taking for ever to get up to 18.