Selectives Lorecast 17: Alessia

[@BriteRory]

Hearing reference to Jodorowsky and alchemy in a talk about Alessia really caught me by surprise! I prefer El Topo by his movies are incredible and inspired me greatly in my adolescence. Medieval and ancient Roman history, late medieval and early Renaissance era occult philosophy, natural magic and alchemy are passions of mine which Elder Scrolls lore has always affirmed. I’m so grateful to have discovered these videos in recent weeks. Elder Scrolls has long been in the background to everything I’m interested in since Morrowind was released, as I only ever experienced Daggerfall at a friends home in the 90’s, until after Morrowind when I had played it on my own. Yet until this channel, outside of the commentary of the writers and developers I rarely ever encounter discussions of the lore on an almost academic level.

[@anoobindisguise4337]

VIGILANT (Vicn) is a wonderful, absolutely fantastic lore mod that touches on this subject to an astounding degree, yet it is completely ignored by the lore community. It really is a wonderful creation and is more than worth anyone's time.

[@konsama1315]

Mods arnt lore

[@abbinormal407]

i always thought of the Imga's view of the Altmer as being basically like a cargo cult

[@pelinalwhitestrake8240]

Great cast as always! Whenever I take a break from TES listening to one of the casts rekindles that spark quick and easy. Midway through the video I had to boot up Oblivion and wander the Ayleid ruins. Just my two cents but I feel the overall quality of the casts improves with each addition. Having said that, if it isn't obvious, I fully support a Pelinal cast. Great speculation here already, enjoyed the idea that he could have come from a more base future. I'd love to hear more speculation on everyone's favorite mysterious insane badass futuristic cyborg knight. Keep up the great work!

[@7thchamp658]

Great vid! I hope to see a Dragon Break one.

[@H8FULT8]

I know this is a random and unrelated question to the topic, but do you guys believe dragon breaks are the in-game reason why the player character can save the game and load previous instances?

[@Aramithius]

Awesome as ever. I really need to start reading lore again, which has taken a dive since I can't access reddit in my lunchbreak. Need to start again... On the bull-alchemy thing... was there a connection between bulls and blood? In the elements-to-humours map, blood is air, and the Lamassu is a thing, so... I don't know where I'm going with this, particularly as the Lamassu is an Assyrian thing. A quick Google search later and there's something about Mitra, a child of earth, slaying the life-giving bull in Greek mythology somewhere, I remember gets swallowed into Mithras mythology by the Romans, which could have been part of the cosmological baggage attributable to Sol in alchemy, seeing as Mithras was associated with the sun? Again, no idea at all whether this is relevant or not, I simply offer it up for people to "hmmm" over. Also, if Alessia sank into the earth in death, does that make Hrol a necrophiliac? Although how a corpse can get pregnant, I don't know. But the existence of Reman as "Cyrodiil come" feels like some sort of confirmation that there is some truth in the "she sank into the earth" angle.

[@watcher314159]

This is super late, but Darya, I'd like to note that the distinction between Alessia as the Motherland and Alessia as the tillable dirt gets REALLY blurry when you introduce Tower Lore into the equation, what with the land being a reflection of the culture that rules it and all that.

[@ryanapperson8932]

Who exactly is the Alessians' One True God? Pocket Guide to the Empire says it is unknowable, but you say Akatosh and I have also heard that it could be Alessia herself. Is this just a "nobody really knows" subject or is there actually something concrete in games (ESO maybe? Haven't played it) or by one of the developers?

[@phanes3440]

They reach the fruit from trees without having to climb. They are able to pick any fruit from the tree that they wanted while the shorter men suffered. They would pick all of the ripe fruit to spite the short race of men for their pride of working for your nourishment. Men had to climb while those elves were smugly snatching all the ripe ones. I think this smug sense of pride is what led them to enslaving the humans.

[@DMIwriter]

Regarding the Cyrodiil jungle thing. It seems to me that if we take ESO for it's word, it can't have been Tiber CHIM-ing Cyrodiil into a temperate climate since Cyrodiil would've still been a jungle in the ESO timeline.

[@swr3603]

I think ESO has a book or character that says that the one mention of Cyrodiil being a jungle was a mistranslation.

[@DMIwriter]

I much prefer Lady Cinnabar's theory of the Towers being able to transform the surrounding area to suit it's owners. But since I originally posted this comment, I've also read that some people say Tiber CHIM-ed away the forest across all of time, which would explain the jungle's absence in ESO. My problem about the "translation error" theory is the sheer amount of texts from different authors that would all have to be wrong about jungles.

[@swr3603]

I think the book in ESO said that the first book to reference cyrod as a jungle was mistranslated and that later writers used it as a source. Like how cholesterol became a boogeyman or other scientific or historical mistakes.

[@MorningLightMtn]

When ol'Tiber CHIMed the fuck out of the Cyrodiilian jungles, he didn't just unexisted the jungle from their present to our future. He rewrote all of time so that Cyrodiil always had a temperate forest, past present or future. Such is your power when you manage to hijack the lucid super dream of a crazy godhead

[@danielpavlov8406]

sorry for errors, my English is very poor

[@irishcream9004]

Alessa is a monster, she killed a supior people and alinor is the prime estate

[@publican90]

If they were superior than how did she kill them?

[@irishcream9004]

publican90 how does a beast slay a man?

[@publican90]

+Irish Cream never have I seen a beast overthrow an entire civilization and claim the land as their own

[@irishcream9004]

publican90 have you seen many a beast to that?

[@publican90]

+Irish Cream I never have