5 Problems with the Rapture

[@DrJordanBCooper]

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[@aarons8295]

You only have half the story. Look at the counter reformer Jesuit named Francisco Ribera. He developed the pretrib premillennialism scheme around 1585. He was trying to distract the Lutherans and reformers from pointing to the papacy as antichrist. Darby found his writings, and further developed them for his church the Plymouth Brethren.

[@michaeldriver3564]

Dr. Cooper, I am glad I found you. I found you while looking about information on Dr. Heiser. While I am not a Lutheran, I appreciate your way of explaining things. Such as not being arrogant but thoughtful and your care. Keep up the great work my Brother!

[@RHope7]

The concept is definitely not definitive by text, but the whole purpose of separating the wheat from the chaff is to siv those who endeavour stature in their lives, by process of warning and judgement. As its not clear that there is a THE rapture, it is possible that it could be a process of Worthy, Wormwood and Return, depending on a need for refinement and then ultimate repentance."These things must happen" when the events play out. Therefore understanding of prophesy is to adopt a possibility that it happens at different times of this process and not at once. Does anyone tackle the mid tribulation prophesy of the angel and the little book? if this is not to imply a rapture is sweet before the wrath is poured out, but bitter to those who still have to face it.

[@skilz8098]

@@RHope7 The current theme of the "rapture" is a relatively new idea only going back to the 1800s... The word rapture comes from Medieval Latin - obsolete French which means "to seize" but the Greek word that is used means "will be caught up". If we read the entire chapter of 1 Thessalonians 4 we can see that Paul is writing to the Church of Thessalonica. We have to take the entire chapter and what is being said into context. This is talking about the 2nd Coming of Christ towards the end of this chapter. We can refer to Matthew 24, Revelation 13-20, Daniel concerning the abomination of desolation and Daniels Trouble (70 weeks)... to see that what Paul is telling them is what Jesus taught to them. That in the end times, "the church" isn't going to vanish before the shit hits the fan, no... That all of these woes and sorrows must come first. The Gospel (The Word) must be spread throughout the Entire World... Then the Antichrist will be revealed and take his seat of power and will cause all to worship the mark of the beast. Those who refuse, those whose names are written in the Book of Life will be persecuted, tortured, even beheaded. The entire thing about 1 Thess 4:17 refers to our Resurrection or the transformation from our physical flesh bodies into our Spirit bodies on the Day that Christ Returns when he sends his 4 angels out to gather those that are his. That's what this verse refers to. We are to be vigilant each and every single day as if his return is Right Now! Now, oh laid back, let's party and whore around for a bit because he'll take us away before the great calamity... Yeah, that's not going to happen! They didn't believe Noah in his day when the rains came... sucks to be them! They were forewarned! The same applies to those in the last days including the Church. Many will claim that the great retainer has to removed first, okay sure, I've read that verse... but is that great retainer really the church? If you read Revelation 13-20 closely the destruction that comes from Mystery Babylon... it sounds a lot like a modern city to me... Perhaps, Rome, or London, or NYC... And the fact that the US is currently supporting modern day Israel... Maybe perhaps the great retainer is the United States. Sure our government is a secular nation and always has been, but many of her people are of Christian roots and values. Now those roots and values are beginning to wain, to fall away... So when her inequity overflows the cup of God's patience and wrath... perhaps it is her destruction that is being described in Revelation... perhaps it is our Constitution and ideas of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness within our Constitution is what's helping to hold evil at bay. Sure we are not a perfect nation but the Lord has blessed us and will continue to do so as we continue to support Israel. If we ever turn our backs on her, He'll turn his back on us... And just look at what's going on in the Middle East right now! Oh and I've already witnessed her destruction over 23 years ago when my Spirit was pulled from my body without ever losing consciousness. Yes, I have seen it, felt it, and smelt it, and I'm telling you it is not for the faint of heart. Even the strongest of hearts would be pleading for mercy if they've seen what I witnessed... It hasn't happened yet, but it is going to one day. Oh and it's not some small isolated destruction... No, this had about 100 mile radius and if felt as if I was standing on the surface of the Sun! And the smell was putrid, I can never forget the smell. Fire, and ashe, burnt rubber, burnt trash and sewage, and worst of all the smell of death everywhere...

[@MYshamanEYE]

I tend to disagree , Dr Jonathan E Miller D.Theo Specializing in ancient inscriptions of the Middle East and Hebrew artifacts. , Will form a formal position paper and send it for your review by week's end, May our heavenly father be with you always. P.S. I myself was raised Lutheran ,the problem is not a misunderstanding of the biblical text, rather one of what was left out of the Bible. Much like arch angel Uriel , the scriptures concerning the rapture were removed by pope Zachary.

[@craigmyers4269]

The Bible warned that in the last days scoffers would come forth "Where is the promise of His coming?". Oddly enough, these liars are fulfilling Biblical prophecy. The Lord Jesus warned us about such....

[@markb9051]

It is worrisome that people cannot read and think for themselves but abdopt what others tell them what the scripture says.

[@jerryhenry662]

that would require study and focus sunday schoolers don't want to work that hard

[@rickhuntling7338]

@mark9051 it would be nice if reading your post we would know where you stand. You can't write for yourself and it's worrisom.

[@targetedindividualjros1745]

Sounds like an unrighteous judgement

[@foreverwood1963]

Well he said lean not unto your own understanding ...

[@jennyreddick9345]

Ain't it the truth 😅

[@rickhuntling7338]

If 1st Thessalonians 4:17 is taught to be so loud and visible so every eye shall see, why did they believe they missed the Rapture and the Tribulation had begun? The Doc. doesn't recognize the shout and blowing a trumpet were Jewish wedding traditions. The father being the only one to know the day and hour would tell his son it's time go get your bride. The groom and his chaperon friends on the way would shout and announce with trumpets their coming so she knew to get ready to be snatch away. The groom snatched the bride away and return to his father's house where a place was prepared for them. This was referred to as "like a thief in the night" because the bride was always taken at the midnight hour.

[@lukeyznaga7627]

PRobably no one will listen to me or remember, but I , I REMEMBER, that 2012, while I was homeless, that I hear for 3 days, a loud "trumpet " sound emanating from the ground and sky. THERE USED TO BE A, various channels on youtube that showed good [not bad , fake ] evidence of this event happening around the world, like in Mexico and the= Canadian wilderness. Very few of those videos can be found. I was in Leesburg, Virginia when it happened. But nothing ever happened after that. We are in 2024. I guess it wasn't important.

[@diamondmason2759]

I’m sorry but Thessalonica was in Greece. Why would Paul be using references to Jewish weddings to Greek Gentiles to explain the coming of Christ? It doesn’t make sense

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

@@diamondmason2759 Also, the "Jewish wedding rituals" theme is a no - go. The Trouble with Pretribble teachers is that they grab every "rapture hint" that anyone comes up with, never investigate the info, and then teach all others the same untested idea.

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

You are listening to dishonest and/or misled teachers. The fact is, when the bride and groom agree (or their families agree) to the terms of the marriage contract, the groom goes to make a place ready (usually a room in the father's house.) Now, when he is ready (they knew the season, but never the day or hour, as marriages usually came after the harvest) he returns to the bride's city. When the watchmen saw him approach, they called out (shouted) the news. ALL interested/invited citizens then leave their city to meet the groom on the road. They gather around him and greet him, then escort him back into the city, where the wedding happened. The same leaving the city and escorting him back ceremony was used to welcome returning rulers or VIPs. The Palm Sunday parade was an example of this.

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@diamondmason2759 Paul didn't write Mat. 24, your groom CHRIST said it.

[@JennieRose8]

Thank you for the info. I’m honestly not sure what to think , but I do know God is in control. Whatever happens, we must hold on to that truth.

[@williamredfield6006]

- @williamredfield6006 1 second ago @JennieRose8 - The Gospel message is initially to Israel and not to the Church. The Old Testament is about Israel. The Gospels are a segue from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Jesus was prophesied by the prophets of old to be the Messiah, the Redeemer of Israel. Jesus had to keep the Law to the fullest, which He did. He then came and presented Himself (on the day we refer to as "Palm Sunday"), but Israel rejected her Messiah (this occurred as prophesied by Gabriel to Daniel 173,880 days from the proclamation to rebuild Jerusalem). Jesus told the leadership of Israel in Matthew 23 (where He dressed down the leadership) that they would not see Him again until they cried "Baruch haba B'shem Adonai" (verse 39). He was crucified by the will of the leadership of Israel in cooperation with the Roman leadership, which was more interested in self-preservation than in truth and justice. The Church is the Bride of Christ (Ephesians 5:23-27; cf., Revelation 19:7-9). Is it traditional for the Bridegroom to put the Bride through tribulation before the Marriage? What is the purpose of the Tribulation anyway? When Jesus returns to the earth, what does He do initially? Does He receive the Church unto Himself? Oh, wait, they were already with Him in heaven... (cf., Zechariah 1:5). Why does Paul say, not once, but twice, We are not destined for wrath? (Romans 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9)? Why did Jesus, after the Olivet discourse, tell the Disciples in the upper room that He was going to prepare a place for them in His Father's house where there are many rooms (John 14:1-3) and when it was ready, He would receive them unto Himself so that they could be with Him always, (that would be heaven where He is seated at the right hand of His Father, on His Father's throne)? Was this limited to the Disciples only? Daniel (2 & 7) finds himself right at the beginning of the end, where the times of the Gentiles begin. In all that he is privy to, he also learns that it is the Divine that conquers and concludes the times of the Gentiles, and then, who will reign (Zechariah 14)? Daniel learns from Gabriel that 6 things must be completed for Israel (cooperate) and Jerusalem, "... to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place" (Daniel 9:24). This is prophetic information that needs to be identified as fulfilled or pending fulfillment. Once you realize that Israel is the center of eschatology (Jesus is the spirit of prophecy; He came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:6, 15:24)) the truth will come into full view ~

[@EminentSeafarerGIO]

Dear Jennie Rose, do you have personal relationship with The Lord? Didn"t the Lord warn, "Take heed that no man deceive you?" (Matthew 24:4). Do wolves in sheep"s clothing have a desperately dashing necessity to be thanked for their customary job of perverting the sound word and sound doctrines of our Lord Yeshua The Messiah? To my humble mind, they have NO such need... they shall receive special thanks from The Lord Himself, and this thank will be embodied as the lake of fire.

[@glennbrooks3449]

Trust no one, no one. When you are thinking like you are; then is the time to claim God's promise . John 7:17 KJV: If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. Note ;do his will is a condition needed to receive a answer.

[@rohanking12able]

Truth?

[@LogosMinistries]

@JennieRose8 - With all due respect, please try not to throw your arms up and say God is in control. He has given dominion to US, His children on earth. Seek knowledge and you will find it! The Lord said seek and you will find, knock and the door shall be opened. If you really want to know, go get the answers! He will give it to you. Praise the Lord! 🙌

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

When the repeat occurs, you can skip to: 8:59

[@jamie-gy6bd]

When the trumpet sounds the dead in Christ shall rise first & those that remain shall meet them in the air There will be a Rapture 💯

[@thundermike109]

Rapture or not ... Repent and love your neighbour 😏

[@alephtav4254]

Amen

[@rL81982]

Lolol 😏

[@AllOfGrace8265]

@@rL81982 yeah right

[@barbaramazzocca4605]

Exactly. Not sure why people keep preaching about rapture rather than going out and loving their neighbor.

[@soundimpact4633]

@@barbaramazzocca4605 it's not about arguing to be right it's about people looking to be lifted out of difficult circumstances if we are in the end times. The Bible speaks about the great falling away and if people are suddenly realizing that they have been lied to because they have not been removed from the difficult times that may be ahead their faith could fail them. As well many pre-tribers are tied in with doctrines such as Word of Faith and prosperity teaching. The pre-trib rapture can only be embraced through inferences. When my friends started speaking to me about it I decided to read the Bible for what the Bible says instead of what books sold by humans say and there is absolutely no pre-trib doctrine in the Bible unless someone knits it together out of context. It's ALL about loving our neighbor to speak truth! And at the same time we can be feeding the hungry visiting the widow and the orphan and the person in jail the person that is sick and giving to the needy. Love God and love your neighbor. Loving God is loving the truth because Jesus is truth.

[@tvmasterc]

As someone who was raised evangelical, I took the rapture theory as a given. I never had read the Bible for myself, taking for granted what other religious people said. Since coming to the Lord just eight short years ago, I began reading for myself. It was like night and day. I have had to unlearn everything I thought I knew. I know nothing at all, just that God is, and I am not Him. I have had to learn to trust the Holy Spirt in reading and understanding the scriptures, abandoning verse and chapter numbers, and reading through God's eyes and understanding, not my own. And it all began with one verse: Matthew 22:32.

[@dennismartin5821]

I thought it to be true as well, but by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ my eyes were opened. If a fool like me can see past such a lie others should surely be able too. May the Lord be with you.

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@dennismartin5821 so you call them lies now? The change in mind might be foolish and double minded thinking James 1:5-8.

[@tvmasterc]

@@rickhuntling7338 Dude, I am 53 years old now, and an eleven year stroke survivor. The world was supposed to come to and end so many times now, I've lost count. And everybody on God's green earth has been alleged to be the antichrist boogey man. Chick Tracts and Vatican conspiracies. And on and on and on... You know what's scary? Not having God in your life, and I don't mean pretentious morality, trying to earn His favor. I am talking about relationship with Him. See Hosea 6:6

[@rickhuntling7338]

@tvmasterc Mat. 22:32 is a good verse to use on Mormon baptism of the dead but I'm not seeing how it makes you discern any better. Verse 29 is excellent on Mormons who accuse the bible as being corrupted. JESUS said the Sadducees err in scripture and the power of GOD, meaning the scriptures are still alive and the same because of the power of GOD to preserve HIS Word uncorruptible. The next verse puts Mormon sealed eternal marriage to rest being no marriage nor giving in marriage in the resurrection. Read Isa. 26:19-21, Rev. 6:11, 12:5-12, Jn. 14:1-3 these are concrete Pre-Trib proof text, so read them with an open hear, you'll be amazed at the harmony. Plus you got some scripture when the Mormons knock on the door.

[@tvmasterc]

@@rickhuntling7338 The verse in question (Matthew 22:32) is very important to me, because my best friend committed suicide in 1984. My very religious stepmother said he was in hell. We were fourteen. I was very bitter and angry, hating God. I had a stroke on the exact same day in 2012. I should have died but didn't. I had to trust the God I hated just to learn to walk again, let alone speak. In February 2016, He showed me David's grave and where it was (I had not gone to the funeral as I was too upset). Seeing it for the first time was difficult. I wept for about an hour. As I was about to leave (and I certainly can't explain this) I suddenly knew he had a brother named Steve. I thought I was out of my mind. But Steve is a real person. He is the pastor of a church in Houston. I actually spoke with him on the phone. He didn't know me from Adam, but it was he who gave this verse, the first verse I ever heard outside of John 3:16. It shattered everything I thought I knew, and helped me realize I knew nothing at all. God had reached out to me in relationship. He saw through all my religiosity and how fake it was. It was God and not religion that helped me find peace.

[@samjames6336]

You're a Dr??? Try another seminary and get your money back. You're eading a lot of Lutheran into your reading.

[@kaypay9]

You need to read the Bible as it’s written and not change it to suit your position.

[@JosephBurke-k4t]

You need to follow your own advice. There is no biblical basis for a rapture, and no Christan denomination believed in it until the mid 19th century.

[@nancyking]

Amen! There's too many scripture twisters as it is to listen to *this* guy! That'll confuse people, and we know who the father/author of confusion is, don't we?!

[@sonampalmo3578]

It's not a secret. It's a mystery (to those left behind).

[@rd8370]

And a public event for those who leave and those who remain.

[@k9builder]

You're right that it is a mystery. However, it is not the wicked who will be left behind. I would ask of you to read the parable of the wheat and the weeds, and how Christ Jesus explains it. This is in the 13th chapter of Matthew's Gospel. It is also regularly ignored by those who seek the escapism that the rapture, as it is taught, is thought to provide.

[@marshallgiles6255]

100 % correct. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will gather us up to the sky, the dead in Christ first, and then the saved that are alive. Please read the Bible. God Bless Y'all.

[@RonDelby]

Once appointed to be born and once appointed to die on this earth. Everyone has to die. You are not going to become weightless and start floating in glee. You will have to die first. I'm not meaning to be impertinent, but I can't imagine my 400 lb cousin floating like a balloon, saying "ah" flying up in the sky. It will be spirits ascending one they die by a twinkle of an eye.

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

True. Daniel predicted it (After the Abomination of Desolation and the Time of Great Trouble) and Jesus promised it (After the tribulation of those days.)

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

@@RonDelby The immediate translation of the very few Saints still alive at the end of the tribulation is mentioned in the Bible. The "Pretrib escape from the planet" Is NOT.

[@mgman2640]

If you miss the rapture because of lack of knowledge,do not take the mark or worship the beast during the tribulation.

[@w4tkn]

Oh wow.

[@viadei]

Talking about lack of knowledge, Peter wrote that _"in all Paul's epistles are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."_ And he wasn't talking about any rapture, he was talking about the knowledge of the law of God as in Hosea's prophecy _"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children"_

[@garywatson8281]

My fear is that those who expect to be raptured and are not will lose their faith and fall to the vices of Satan

[@janinewatson3208]

Yes, I see it happening already😞 Check out Gary Demar’s podcast or his book Last Days Madness. Shalom✨

[@AnAncient]

Might as well be mentally prepared That you are going to be here.

[@85rockhound]

I suggest you do an internet search on 'New Age Rapture'. Please note 'New Age Deception' in your search.

[@user-yv1fh3fc8y]

Fear not Gary, see you in the air.

[@jayward1225]

This has been my biggest concern. We know many will fall away from the church and I can see how a pretribulation rapture could cause that to happen if it isn't true. The question I keep asking me is which concept tickles my ears the most and of course it would be the one that gets us out of here before the great tribulation. I would rather build my faith in a way that is prepared to endure the great tribulation, worst case I get to leave early.

[@PraisingAdonai]

If you study the Bible with an honest mindset, you will come to the conclusion that this pastor is speaking the truth.

[@davidlee-zs2gi]

No he isn’t

[@audreyervin5195]

I am studying the Bible daily with an honest mindset and my faith that God will help show me the way. One thing He has shown me is that belief in the rapture is interpreted to me in my way but you obviously are fixated on the fact that you are right and we are wrong. To give a speech that you feel is the right idea is just plain wrong. Some of his ideas do not ring true. He is talking about the second coming , not the rapture itself.

[@Everythingsacanvas]

I agree. I was always taught the pretrib rapture but it never really made sense to me. The proponents of this view assume the restrainer that is taken out of the way is the church but I believe it is a spiritual being..such as the angel who was trying to come to Daniel but was restrained from coming and had to fight his way through....and what will the saints who have been supposedly rapture be doing while the tribulation is going on? I've been told they will be enjoying the wedding feast...but then doesn't that leave out the people who will be martyred for Jesus during the tribulation? There are just too many things such as this that do not make sense. Plus I believe every time there is tribulation in scripture it is for the church. It is God's wrath that we are spared from, not tribulation. Too many people conflate the two.

[@LogosMinistries]

@@Everythingsacanvas Glad you posted this! Many people are just repeating what others have said but not studying it themselves. One other thing, I might add, is that the Bible refers to "Jacob's trouble". This is referring to Israel. Many "scholars" think it is the church but we know "Jacob" is referring to Israel, not the church. The gentiles are the adopted kids.

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

@@davidlee-zs2gi Proof?

[@azjim2946]

Dr. Gordon I listened to your video. I happen to believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture and would like to comment about it. But before I do, I first want to say I appreciate the fact that you are looking to the scriptures to support your thesis. I have encountered numerous persons who will argue (and even denounce), when someone disagrees with them, but they can only cite their ecclesiastical dogma. I am of the opinion (and I believe you are too) that ecclesiastical dogma must derive from scripture. I consider you a brother in the Lord, and thus, arguing is carnal. My intention here is not to argue over scripture but to share honest disagreements with what scripture teaches. I want to make sure I am tracking with you, so I will restate what I think your five points are. 1. Not historic church teaching. It was started by for the most part by John Nelson Darby. 2. 1 Thessalonians teaches a very loud and dramatic event. 3. Luke 17 does not speak of God’s people being in the air. 4. 1 Corinthians 15 speaks about one event, not two comings of Jesus. 5. Jesus didn’t teach it. I know we both can expand on our positions so I will try to be brief. First, about a historic church teaching: there are many beliefs that the Medieval church held which somehow crept into their belief system over the centuries. Being a Lutheran pastor, I recognize that you believe this too. That was the cause for the Reformation and Luther boldly nailing his 95 theses on the Wittenberg church door. The Reformers had a lot to contend with during those early years of the Reformation, and end-times doctrine wasn’t at the top of the list (in fact, it wasn’t on the list at all). Personally, I believe by the time of John Nelson Darby, he simply took the Reformation to a new level by rediscovering what the early church believed. I won’t go into details of that statement other than to mention that the church believed and taught the imminent return of Jesus Christ. Here are some of the passages: • Matthew 24:36-44, 25:1-13, • Luke 12:35-46, 21:34-36, • John 21:21-23, • Romans 13:11, 16:20, • 1 Corinthians 1:7, 4:3-5, 7:26-29, • Philippians 3:20-21, 4:5, • 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10, • 2 Timothy 4:8 (refer to the Koiné Greek), • Hebrews 10:24-28, 10:35-38, • James 5:7-8, • 1 Peter 4:7, and • Revelation 1:3, 22:6, 22:7, 22:10, 22:12, and 22:20. So whatever our view of end-times happens to be, we must be looking for the imminent return of Christ. Such a belief system purifies the church (1 John 3:2-3). Whether believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture or not, the rapture is a stated event in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word used is translated to be “caught up”. The word in the Greek word used here is harpageesómetha, meaning “caught up” or “pulled by force”. In the Latin Vulgate, the word was translated to be rapiemur, where we get the English word “rapture”. So we can discuss the aspects of the rapture (or catching up), but I do not think it is Biblical to deny it. Second, I agree with you that the event in 1 Thessalonians 4 is a dramatic event. How that plays out to the persons on the ground is open to some discussion. Is it like we see in the movies? Not necessarily, but I believe it could happen in some sense of the word. Third, and I will tie in your fifth point here, Jesus never taught about the rapture. I believe this is a true statement for the most part (I believe He made some allegorical references to it). But who was His audience here? It was Jews. At this point, the Jewish people had not yet rejected their Messiah. To discuss a body of Gentiles would come on the scene to make the Jewish people jealous (Romans 11:11) for their Messiah would not be understood. In fact, the Twelve had enough trouble understanding His coming death. The church was a mystery, and Jesus would have definitely not mentioned it at this point. That would be the role for his apostles later after the Jewish people rejected Christ. Fourth, the resurrection is a mystery according to Paul (1 Corinthians 15:51). There is too much to cover here about how 1 Corinthians 15 ties in with Revelation 20:5-6 and 1 Thessalonians 4 (and other passages). But I do not see any trouble with it contradicting a Pre-Tribulation rapture. Best Regards, Jim

[@annieaviles4760]

Truth.

[@alexrodgers9247]

Also, how is it if no rapture, that we are with, and behind Christ in pure white when He comes down to destroy His enemies with His words in the final battle?

[@azjim2946]

@@alexrodgers9247 Very much true. I have created a seventy-plus page document on why the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is Biblical. There is waaaaaaay too much to put into a comment, but the point I want to make is about the imminent return of Jesus Christ. The New Testament writers spoke often about this. It wasn't that Jesus was going to return immediately (necessarily from the time that they wrote it), but His return should be considered imminent, like a "thief in the night" (1 Thes. 5:2, 2 Peter 3:10, and others). The problem with the Amillennialist view is that Jesus's return isn't even consider literal by some of this view's adherents. We should be conscientious of His return every time we take communion, according to 1 Cor. 11:26 (how often that might be in one's denomination or affiliation). God bless!

[@squirreljones3595]

Paul gave you SLEEP and DEAD 1 Corinthians 15 51 & 52 SLEEP and DEAD The church rapture is at judgement day Revelation 20 5 But the rest of the DEAD lived not again until the thousand years have finished. This is the first resurrection. Daniel 12 2 is the second resurrection And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. The church rapture is at judgement day John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is truth No more days after the day Jesus calls the Last day It's all there in Revelation 20 The ten virgins story proves it too Matthew 25 Jesus is truth keep the faith

[@squirreljones3595]

​@@alexrodgers9247 The bride of Christ is in spirit form at the marriage supper of the Lamb Revelation 19 Because she doesn't get her resurrected body until judgement day John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is truth The church rapture is at judgement day

[@tinatorres940]

You will be judge for speeding false information the sprit is not in you pray for you

[@michaelyoung7171]

He will just like everyone else who spreading this false teaching saying there is no rapture but there is i've found out on Elvi zapata lour hour channel saying that he found out God is going to hold them accountable for what there doing. Also there going against the word of God and the bride of Christ which are going on home in the rapture which is making God very angry at them he found out about that as well.

[@johngalt4657]

Look in the mirror and apply that to yourself.

[@PatCollins-d4o]

I Shared 2021 Genesis The Ark was Lifted STAYED IN PLEASE THE BAD WAS WASHED AWAY! God Shared with me while Studying NO RAPTURE - a dream myself two other females were hanging out dream SWITCHED the (2) females, were put into a Vehicle. Myself Standing on a 4 feet brick hands on railing. IN THE DREAM, my thought "Why can't I go" Matthew 24 39-41 I ALSO BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONLY REASON NOAH WAS MENTIONED - Otherwise NOAH didn't need 2BE mentioned In Matthew 24 chp I Shared THIS with R T

[@alephtav4254]

If GOD walked with Enoch Lift them Even Elijah took by fire of Chariot so Why NOT GOD will do it How Jesus Went Up Why not HE will not keep His promise.. God knows what to do And Know one kows the day and time of his Coming

[@Hennie1373]

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[@michaelbergeron1554]

Verse?

[@Hennie1373]

@@michaelbergeron1554 Luke 21:36

[@Littleangel_-jp4xb]

Noah got an "escape" too, with the ark. Lot escaped too, and so did the Israelites in Exodus. They didn't leave earth. The word "escape" has never been attributed to leaving the world all together. It just means a reprieve. We can't add context that isn't there.

[@Hennie1373]

@@Littleangel_-jp4xb So what happened to Enock in the bible?

[@doncleveland1245]

@@Littleangel_-jp4xb Negative ghostwriter. You lost so bad you had to delete your comments in our previous conversation. Remember to push your way to the front of the line for your blessed decap, err hope sir. Actually, does your mother know you are on her computer this late at night?

[@davidwiles7475]

Search Lee Brainard concerning the early church fathers as far back as 3rd century. Can’t just reference Darby. Explain 2 Thessalonians 2:2 as to why they thought they were left behind and the tribulation would begin?

[@maureenhumbarger9369]

God didn’t appoint us in to wrath, he has always removed his children before he destroyed anything

[@haitiantonice2722]

Well said.

[@soundimpact4633]

People misunderstand God's wrath as God's wrath is against all unrighteousness. If we are in right standing with Christ God's wrath does not touch us... It's not about violence on the Earth. Or are you saying that God's wrath touched the martyrs and God's wrath touched the people that were slaughtered during the Inquisition? History has shown some brutal times and yes what's coming is even worse but actually most are going to be beheaded before that comes.... At least that's what scriptures say.

[@melissacooper8724]

The way I interpret this is that Christians going through the Tribulation with the unbelievers is like the whole class gets detention for something a couple of bad students did.

[@IvanAgram]

It seems funny how he presents a clear example from Noah of removing (rapture) - destroying (trial that is to come on the earth) - returning (with the saints after the trial and tribulation) as something that favours his view.

[@nancyking]

@@melissacooper8724 Amen!

[@rapunzelz5520]

A good straightforward video. I grew up w the dispensationalist view and Hal Lindsay’s Late Great Planet Earth had some influence on my conversion. I’m now in an Anglican Church which I love. There’s always going to be disagreements in the Church about points of theology and whether those points of disagreement are minor or heretical in nature. May God give us grace and discernment in these dark days. I’m glad I came across this….it gave some perspective to my shifting theology and growth over the years.

[@salascarl]

John 3:16 is key and also John 14:6. absolutely correct! The rapture and the second coming of Jesus are two distinct events. I want to share my video kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4KvppaOoL90jKc

[@justmyopinion7]

Why did Jesus said we must pray to escape the things to come in Luke 21:36 and who is the people in heaven from every tongue, tribe and nation in Rev 5:8-10 as he selectively omitted this passages to prove his point.

[@BruceMcculloch-sk7wd]

I think the preaching of the rapture is dangerous.A teaching that will cause many to fall away!!!😢

[@rickhuntling7338]

That was your problem letting Hal Lindsey be your source instead of the bible, but it doesn't change the fact the Rapture is Pre-Trib.

[@wwj14]

tu quoque, cuts both ways! hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed subject matter eschatological experts interpret the total fund of evidence as supporting the pre trib/disp position-at least as a baseline/default position which best reconciles the antimonious/ambiguous "far from granularly clear" eschatological texts , and so do hundreds of millions worldwide of lay Christians, so I would say YOU are wasting OUR time! namaste, Q.E.D., word up!

[@Frank-st6gd]

Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the Cloud and Clouds Jesus appears In and With. Act's chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the Mt of Olive the second coming KJV.

[@Kristenm28]

The tares go first! Matthew 13:30 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

[@terry4748]

Exactly, I don’t know how anyone gets around this clear explanation of the one and only harvest that takes place.

[@whynot1548]

Ur using modern, lazy interpretations by manipulative and illiterate researchers in the church

[@LyleCooper]

@@terry4748 Terry, it is simple, the rapture or harvest of the Gentile church, from a special dispensation inserted into the Jewish timeline, must come first, to end the Gentile dispensation. It was not until blindness was put upon the Jews, that these mysteries were known. In other words, no one knew while Jesus was alive that in the future God would put blindness upon the Jews.

[@arneherstad2198]

Very respectfully done, without the rancor and name calling I hear on other channels. This topic is hotter than it needs to be, because no one's salvation is based on eschatology, but rather on the finished work of Christ. That said, here's another approach to the issue: There were two lines of OT prophecy pointing to Christ's first coming: one where he reigns on David's throne forever, and another where he would suffer and be "cut off". Reconciling these two lines was difficult, as we find in Luke 24:13+ on the road to Emmaus. It's too long to quote here, but Jesus reconciled these two lines of prophecy, saying "O fools, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the prophets had spoken; didn't the Christ have to suffer, and [then] enter into his glory?" "And beginning with Moses and the prophets, he showed them everything written therein concerning himself." In other words, both events couldn't happen at once, one had to follow the other. May I submit that the second coming, likewise, has two lines of prophecy that cannot be fulfilled at once; one must follow the other. As with the first coming, not all the clues are found in one place. But since they are the words of the Holy Spirit (as promised in John 16), we can take it to the bank. Not everyone over the millenia had access to Bibles that we have today. So there's nothing new about what we're looking at, which underscores my earlier observation that nothing vital to the soul hinges upon it. But it's there. Anyway, I'll be seeing you, along with all who call upon the name of the Lord, no matter what.

[@rickhuntling7338]

He lied about the early Church writing and beliefs, so what does that make him? Ignorant of the true historicty of the earily church.

[@wwj14]

@@rickhuntling7338 AN open letter to all the TROLLs that come here every week (any flavor, post trib, preterist, replacement theology, a mill, covenant theology etc etc..... look up "arguendo" on google, So TROLLS, lets say "arguendo" we just "agree 100%' with whatever b.s you are spouting.... riddle all of us this: SERIOUSLY, WHAT "exactly, specifically, precisely" do you want all of us to NOW do differently than we were doing before, assuming as blood bought, born again, ten commandment faithful, prayed up/washed up, Christians who have been witnessing the gospel to the lost, feeding the hungry, healing the sick etc etc. TO DO DIFFERENTLY than we are doing, OTHER THAN..ok wait for it!!! wait for it!! to just THINK like YOU THINK??????????????? ya know no actual real operational, material change, just "THINK LIKE YOU THINK" because.... well because ????????? you luddite slow thinkers may need a little time to understand the point of this question!!! Show less RAPTURE SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am the progeny of HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS... I BELIEVE MY JESUS is coming SOON to provide ESCAPE from wrath for me and my church and my children and grandchildren!!! I KNOW MY JESUS is NOT going to put his church/his bride/his beloved/his children through 7 years WORSE than the holocaust!!!!! JESUS LOVES HIS CHURCH so much he died for it, JESUS is NOT going to allow the Gates of Hell to prevail against his true remnant church!!! OUR KING is COMING!!!!!!!!!!

[@cryptojihadi265]

It actually IS critical to salvation. God didn't write all these verses about the tribulation, including an entire and final book about it, IF it wasn't important. Yes, it's absolutely true, that believing or not believing in a pre-trib rapture will save you or condemn you, however, the pre-trib teaching will leave many unprepared for the tribulation that Jesus flat out promised us we would endure. Even worse, so many pre-tribbers hold it so dogmatically, they actually believe the Bible clearly teaches it, so when it doesn't happen, many will think the Bible lied to them, not their pastors. Now who would be willing to lay down their life for a religion they no longer believe in? THAT is the danger of the pre-trib rapture teaching. There is not one verse or passage that spells out a pre-trib rapture. EVERY verse the pre-tribbers like to use, ALL require reading meaning into the text that isn't actually stated. However, it only takes two passages to nail down the order. Rev 20:4-5 plainly states the first resurrection includes those who would not accept the mark of the beast or worship his image. 1 Thess 4:16-17 plainly states the dead in Christ rise first, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to be with the Lord. So clearly since the rapture takes place after a resurrection, it's therefore axiomatic that it can't take place before the FIRST resurrection. Since the first resurrection includes those who were killed by the anti-christ, it's impossible for the rapture to take place before the tribulation and martyr of the saints. One more verse where Paul states we will be changed at the last trumpet, further nails it down. The last trumpet mentioned in the bible is the 7th trumpet, which IS the 7 bowls of God's wrath, when He comes down to judge the wicked and establish His reign. We are caught up to be with Him when He comes down to establish His Kingdom. So we aren't part of God's wrath, but we obviously are part of the Tribulation, which is why Jesus PROMISES us Tribulation, but Paul says we are not appointed to wrath.

[@arneherstad2198]

@@cryptojihadi265 The Churches "tribulation" has always existed, just as Jesus said it would. We're in it now. As for Christians "being unprepared" because of a certain end time eschatology, that would assume a believer could lose his salvation, which further implies he is working for it. If you are Christian, you are in eternal life now, right this minute, with regard to your standing before God. You DO know this, right? If anyone thinks he's "preparing" himself for eternal life, he simply hasn't understood the Gospel, which is the Finished Work of Christ, not the finished work of any man.

[@ricknkelly1]

“Never been part of your tradition” that says it all. Quit watching Left Behind and actually read your Bible. Yes there is going to be a rapture.

[@johndibert5509]

Noah and Lot were saved from Gods wrath while the others experienced Gods wrath

[@cryptojihadi265]

So, we are talking about the tribulation. Which we clearly go through. The wrath of God isn't until the 7th Trumpet which IS the 7 bowls or wrath. That's when we are raptured, just as Paul says, and as Jesus says.

[@k9builder]

@@cryptojihadi265 Did Jesus say that? In the parable of the wheat and the weeds, Jesus says that at his coming, his angels will remove the wicked and cast them into the eternal fire, and then the righteous will be gathered.

[@rhondahill66]

1Thessalonians 4:16, 17 For the Lord himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first : Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air : and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[@jenanielson]

This scripture is for the 144, 000..not for all believers. They are to rule as Kings with Jesus..and first fight with him at Armageddon. The dead in Christ are those bought from the earth..to do as I said..Paul is one of them and So were most first century Christians.. Read your bibles..let the holy spirit through God help you.

[@jenanielson]

@Charles Pieters ooh there are plenty of scriptures to back this.. First of all ..the dead are dead..they dont go to heaven..but are dust..that's in Gen..and Eccl..ch.9:5,10. All [both humans and animals] are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.”-Ecclesiastes 3:20. “The dead . . . are conscious of nothing at all.”-Ecclesiastes 9:5. “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished.”-Ecclesiastes 9:6. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [the grave], the place to which you are going.”-Ecclesiastes 9:10. “[Man] goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”-Psalm 146:4. Not to mention the countless promises of life on earth in a paradise..(if you want those scriptures, also let me know) Thus, not all good people go to heaven. About good King David, the apostle Peter plainly said: “David did not ascend to the heavens.” (Acts 2:34) John the Baptist was a good man. Yet, Jesus indicated that he would not be exalted to rule as a king in heaven. “Among those born of women,” Jesus said, “there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.”​-Matthew 11:11. There will be those that do go to heaven..a little flock, of specially chosen..to rule as kings with Jesus..during his 1000 yr reign.. AFTER Jesus’ final meal with his apostles on the evening before his execution, Jesus promised to reward them with a place in heaven. He said: “In the house of my Father there are many abodes. Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going my way to prepare a place for you.” (John 14:2) Why would Jesus provide them a place in heaven? What will they do there? Jesus had in mind a special assignment for his disciples. During that same evening, he said: “You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom.” (Luke 22:28, 29) God had promised Jesus that he would be the King who would provide for one of mankind’s greatest needs​-good government. Jesus will save people from affliction and will crush those defrauding them. Although Jesus will have subjects extending “to the ends of the earth,” his throne will be in heaven.​-Psalm 72:4, 8; Daniel 7:13, 14. However, Jesus will not rule alone. Hence, he promised his apostles a place in heaven. They were the first ones chosen to “rule as kings over the earth.”​-Revelation 5:10. How many go to heaven? As in any government, the rulers in God’s heavenly Kingdom are few in comparison with all the people who live under its authority. To those who will rule with him, Jesus said: “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.” (Luke 12:32) That “little flock” will finally number 144,000. (Revelation 14:1) That number is small in comparison with the millions who will enjoy endless life on earth as loyal subjects of the Kingdom.​-Revelation 21:4. There are many more to support this..but I suspect. .citing them all..won't do any good..unless you really want the truth..then let me know I would be happy to share. And none are in heaven as of yet...that is what the rapture is for...those that are dead will be called, then the very few that are left on earth still alive ..will be caught up with him. That's the meaning of 2 Thess. Most of these anointed ones were first century Christians. .and included as mentioned the apostles. There are a few left..and they are doing exactly what they should.. What can be said about the anointed Christians in modern times? In his prophecy about “the sign of [his] presence and of the conclusion of the system of things,” Jesus referred to the composite body of his spirit-anointed followers on earth as “the faithful and discreet slave,” or “the faithful steward.” (Matt. 24:3, 45; Luke 12:42) As a group, the slave class has established an excellent record of “following the Lamb no matter where he goes.” (Read Revelation 14:4, 5.) Its members remain virgins in a spiritual sense by not defiling themselves with the beliefs and practices of “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion. (Rev. 17:5) No doctrinal falsehood is “found in their mouths,” and they remain “without blemish” from Satan’s world. (John 15:19) In the future, the remaining anointed ones on earth “will follow” the Lamb right into heaven.​-John 13:36. I know this is not commonly taught. .but it is the bible's truth..

[@jenanielson]

@Charles Pieters Maybe you should re-read the above..Its clear they are not in heaven yet so none..(Jesus so far is the only one ascended to heaven, when he calls the rest will go, first the 144,000, then after everyone else will be resurrected)not until the first resurrection happens.. anointed members of “the Israel of God” must join the Lord Jesus Christ in heavenly glory, where they will “always be with the Lord.” (Galatians 6:16;1 Thessalonians 4:17) That event is called “the earlier resurrection” or “the first resurrection.” (Philippians 3:10, 11; Revelation 20:6) This is also why many believe in the rapture.. It's not for anyone BUT the 144,000..and most like said before have already died..they are awaiting untikl the time..waiting in the grave..asleep in death. Eph 1 :13,14

[@jenanielson]

Read 1 thess 4:13-18.. Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. 14 For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus. 15 For this is what we tell you by Gods word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lordin the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.18 So keep comforting one another with these words. This is when the anointed co-rulers with Jesus will take their heavenly calling. But before that they are like everyone else..asleep in the grave. We dont know exactly when this will happen, but it will be soon..because we also know they will fight with Christ at Armageddon for Gods spiritual Israel..(not the nation)

[@jenanielson]

@Charles Pieters I dont know what new generation JW is.. Where in the bible is that? Anyway..,this was after the earthquake(matt 27)..Or “they who came out.” The Greek verb indicates a plural masculine subject referring to people, not to the bodies (neuter in Greek) mentioned in verse 52. This evidently refers to passersby, who saw the dead bodies exposed by the earthquake (vs. 51) and who entered the city and reported what they had seen. Sometimes it's best to go to the original language of the text to get a understanding.. As the translations are not perfect..and dont transfer over real great..to english. You have to consider the context , the language of the time and the customs, and speach. It has taken me years of intense study..prayer, and sleepless nights..to get an accurate knowledge of God, and his son..through the bible..which by the way..explains itself ..very nicely. Most of what the so called Christain religions teach..is wrong..Satans biggest tool is false teachings..it keeps many blinded to the real truth. You have to let the bible teach you..not men..doing so opens up your heart( childlike and humble) to allow Gods word the bible to do what's it's designed to do..teach! Every thing in the bible is there to do that..every scripture has a purpose. .and it all works in harmony..100% harmony.

[@philw9787]

If the Rapture happens, do u still want to.come. pride will let u stay in tribulation. I'm gone my brother!!

[@gregewers8335]

The rapture is not nearly as new as you imply. Darby was late in the process. You can go to early church history and find the teaching. Hebrew and Greek word study matters and totally disagree with this interpretation. Taken is same word used when Jesus says he's coming back to receive us unto himself. Taken and receive are the same word. It means to take and hold dear close to one's self as a precious possession. Harpazo is caught up. It means a sudden snatching from danger. This clearly explains the rapture. You also can use the Aramaic word which is netchatef. Last Trump is not the seventh trumpet. The Hebrew wedding is the perfect picture of the rapture and the entire Christian experience. Watch and pray that you are found worthy to *escape [Harpazo]✝️🛐

[@gregorycalvello3663]

Revelation 3:10 ESV Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. The hour is the great tribulation period.

[@allisonrees6763]

Exactly!

[@Pneuma40]

That is one interpretation ....it is possible that the hour is referring to the seven day or year period, but there is no reason to believe that "keep you" means take you out of this world. When shepards keep their sheep they are not removing them, rather they are watching after them and protecting them while they are still in this world.

[@gregorycalvello3663]

Let see what happens. The scripture tell us to workout our salvation with fear and trembling, meaning workout our relationship with Christ. Best to ask the Lord if there is something he wants you and I to repent of and renounce in Jesus name???

[@gregorycalvello3663]

Concerning the rapture or not, best to ask the Lord who lives in and dwell with us, what is true or not true ??

[@squirreljones3595]

Revelation 3 11 the only way a man can take your crown is if you give it up Persecution coming. Keep the faith

[@heavenbound5555]

Let me know how it was when you get there. As a man believes in his heart so he is. If you don't believe it, God will honor your position. Have fun.

[@DenverDoc]

Glory be to God, he is surely coming for his bride. Stay strong and keep your faith in Christ. Grace be with you all.

[@doncleveland1245]

Coming for his bride in a pretrib rapture, Amen brother.

[@christiansoldier77]

​@@doncleveland1245 its not a pretrib rapture but a posttrib rapture

[@doncleveland1245]

@@christiansoldier77 It is pretrib. The 7 years is for unbelievers. Guess who believes? His Church. Guess who doesn't? People who don't think Christ dying on the cross was for them. That includes people who don't believe he is coming for them in a pretrib rapture. Unbelievers stay here, 95% of the planet. You don't want to be in that group sir, but it looks like you are.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@doncleveland1245 The rapture is after the tribulation Jesus literally says this in Matthew 24.

[@doncleveland1245]

@@christiansoldier77 Jesus also literally says who he is talking to in Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." so you tell me if he is not sent but to Israel, who was he talking about 9 verses later?? I guess that hits a brick wall upstairs??

[@soundimpact4633]

Our hope is in the resurrection where we will be changed and caught away at the last trump when Christ returns.

[@paulinerichardson1963]

Yes caught away, Rapture has never been used in the Bible. It is called the catching away.

[@jeffyorton3304]

@@paulinerichardson1963 Rapture / catching away. One event... different terms. The origin of the word Rapture extends from 1 Thess 4:17, which uses the Greek word harpazo, meaning "to snatch away" or "to seize".

[@DianeNichols-u1b]

We are not leaving this planet Jesus will build His kingdom right here on the earth, when Jesus returns He will put the fake "Satan the son of perdition " into his prison for 1000 years lots to do during them 1000 years we will be busy but remember that when Jesus returns He will put us into our spiritual bodies, that's why people believe this lie from Satan to be caught up with christ in the air the breath of life spirit air spiritual bodies.

[@LyleCooper]

@@paulinerichardson1963 This is not really true. The word "rapiemur" is found in the Latin Vulgate. It is from this Latin word that we get "rapture."

[@LyleCooper]

@@DianeNichols-u1b User, you can stay behind when the church is taken to heaven, if that is where your faith is. What you imagine is a lie, is the truth of scripture. The church will spend seven plus years in heaven while God's wrath is poured out on the earth.

[@jwsanders1214]

Well , I know that Luther never imagined that The Nation of Israel would be resurrected from the dead either, so if you are wrong about that could you possibly be wrong about the rapture ? The Holy Bible says that Israel will be the epicenter of world events in the Last Days, and it is

[@itslitgamestv6827]

The rapture and second coming are different. The second coming is after the tribulation, which is “The Second Coming of Christ”. The rapture is not the same as a “coming”. In the rapture, Jesus doesn’t come for everyone, that is why it is not a “coming”. The rapture will simply be Jesus receiving believers off of the earth before the tribulation so that the Antichrist can finally rise. Also the Bible says that the Antichrist can’t rise unless “He” is taken out of the way. That “He” is talking about the Holy Spirit. Multiple times Jesus called the Holy Sprit of God “He” because the Holy Spirit is God living in believers. If we as believers have the Holy Spirit, and God says that the Holy Spirit needs to be taken out of the way in order for the Antichrist to rise, then we will be taken out of the earth. The only way for God to take His Holy Spirit is if He takes everyone who has Him in them for all those that believe. God will not just take His Spirit out of all the believers because that wouldn’t make any sense and that would take away our salvation as well. Stop focusing on one verse of the rapture event and focus on the whole and see how it all comes together and how the rapture fits in with all of scripture.

[@TheWatchmen001]

Proverbs 10:30 says it all. The righteous shall NEVER be removed, but the wicked shall not inherit the earth. Kinda hard to get around that one...

[@SuberDuberUberEvan]

The context is clear on that one. It is saying that the wicked will not drive out the good, that evil will not thrive. It has no bearing or contradiction with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

[@322JLR]

​@SuberDuberUberEvan which explains that there is not a pre trib rapture

[@IvanAgram]

Please understand the parable of Noah. Noah was removed from the perishing world and then returned to inherit it JUST as the Rapture teaches.

[@2risingfall38]

Darby isn't the origin of the pre-trib catching up, ie; rapture. If you do proper historical document research, it was taught in the late first and early second centuries.

[@danielandteresabowlin3406]

The Rapture is spoke about in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4. The words caught up refers to the Rapture. In 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, that refers to the 2nd Coming of Christ at the end of the Tribulation. It's biblical, not traditional. Paul preached about this, centuries ago. The Rapture is for the church age. If you are born again I will see you in glory! My belief is based on the Word of God, not some movie.

[@jimwest5027]

1Thes 2 says nothing about caught up before a tribulation. In fact, it says, "we who are alive and remain until the COMING OF THE LORD,..." So, we are clearly caught up with the Lord at His 2nd coming, not 7 years before.

[@danielandteresabowlin3406]

@jimwest5027 1 Thessalonians 4:14 -18. it's talking here that those who are asleep (have died) will rise before those who remain alive. this is one event. remember the 2nd Coming of Christ has judgment. there is no judgment in the Rapture. the judgment starts in the second half of the Tribulation followed by a battle, Satan loses and is locked up for 1000 years. this is the Millennia Reign of Christ.

[@danielandteresabowlin3406]

@firstnamelastname-yv5rp John 14:1-3 is talking about the Rapture

[@danielandteresabowlin3406]

@firstnamelastname-yv5rp correct. the Rapture of the church age is before the Tribulation. in John 14:1-3, Jesus was talking to His disciples. in verse 3, Jesus is talking about the Rapture. Jesus is not talking about His Kingdom, Millennia Reign. at the end of the Tribulation is when Christ comes back with His saints to establish His Millennia Reign.

[@danielandteresabowlin3406]

@firstnamelastname-yv5rp I think I misread your post. I think we are on the same page

[@citysurviver8561]

When The Lord comes, everyone will know it.

[@Scantbracelet]

He already did. His return was in 70AD. He even told His disciples that some of them would be alive to witness it. (Matt. 16:28)

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@Scantbracelet LOL a delusional view of facts and scripture. What part of "like a thief in the night" means "every eye will see".

[@williamredfield6006]

@@Scantbracelet - You wrote, "He already did. His return was in 70AD." Are you a full Preterist or a partial Preterist? Do you believe the entirety of Scripture (original text) is inspired by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 1:20-21; cf., 2 Timothy 3:16-17)? If Jesus said certain Disciples would be alive to witness His return, did He not also say, "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be." & “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory." And did not Zechariah record, "Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, As when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, Which is before Jerusalem on the east, And the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, And there shall be a very great valley; And half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, And half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; For the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: Yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah: And the LORD my God shall come, And all the saints with thee." Can you find any of this recorded in History?

[@DianeNichols-u1b]

And Satan will come first 666 before 777 2nd Thessolonians chapter 9 Jesus returns after the workings of Satan

[@williamredfield6006]

@@Scantbracelet Matthew 16:27 (KJV 1900): 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Did you read this verse, or is it an inconvenient truth? What was your reward? Oh, wait, you were not there. Is the scripture wrong? Or does every not mean every? Jesus did not return in 70 A.D. For a plethora of reasons, but I will keep it simple: Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV 1900): 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. ~

[@helenerickson2195]

Apostle Paul given this teaching first in the beginning of church not Nelson J Darby.

[@maxxomega6599]

It really doesn't matter to me one bit if there is a Rapture. I got saved at 22 years old. I was healthy, full of life, and waiting for the Rapture. Now...I am almost 70. My health is gone, many of my Christian friends have gone to be with the Lord, I am old, tired, played out. I doubt I have much time left on the Earth anyway. Soon, I will be gone too...

[@jackdollins]

I hope your experiences and the wisdom gained by them is valued by others and that you live long and share your highest aspirations, your noblest principles, and your greatest anchors to Faith in Christ. I pray your witness and service to others is magnified and multiplied by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus is exalted in your words and deeds.

[@joep1265]

Pray for your departed friends and family souls. Repent and confess your sins. Jesus is waiting for you.

[@ludwig6332]

Well thats right. Thats the whole thought about time as we go thru an entire life thinking the world cant get much worse, where is the 'rapture'. But we never know , however look at signs being manifested that didnt just 20-30 years ago. Like "every toungue shall speak my name". I look at Asia where religion is outlawed. The USA ready to go digital cash. China, Russia, Iran, Biden becoming buddies agasint Israel. There is a lot happening all of a sudden in 1 decade. Yeah but we gotta be ready to die either way.

[@borrowedtruths6955]

@@joep1265 Why would he pray for those that are already dead? They're either in heaven or hell.

[@daendiznigh]

That’s why I keep telling pretribbers not to hold there breath 😂this poor women just said she been waiting for the rapture for 22 years and now is about to leave on her own ( God bless your soul lady ) but that’s how everyone waiting for the rapture is going to go out, except we will be in the tribulation and not die peacefully like you. Your blessed !

[@oldtimer6528]

Sorry, Dr., I believe you're wrong. Change denomination, while you have time!

[@eduds6]

LOL, like if a evangelical had the intellectual or god's wisdom to contradict a learned lutheran in the word of god.

[@Alladin-n5j]

The second coming of Christ will be like lighting flashing across the sky with loud thunder, nothing secret

[@sueregan2782]

I interpret the Luke passages on Noah and Lot in the exact opposite scenario. In both instances God’s elect are removed and God’s wrath is released on those left behind. This also comports with the description of the end as given in Matthew 24 and Revelation 6. Both Jesus and John describe the cosmic disturbance at Jesus’s coming. Jesus says that the elect will be taken up to meet Him in the sky; John tells us that those left behind will immediately experience theWrath of the Lamb. This is not a secret rapture. Both those who are raptured and those left behind will know exactly what has happened.

[@Scottie_B]

Where in Luke? Jesus likens the people taken without notice with Lots wife in Luke 17. I don’t think Lots wife was the elect.

[@sueregan2782]

@@Scottie_B in both the flood of Noah and the fire and brimstone at Sodom, God removed His elect (Noah’s family and Lot’s family from the area before releasing His wrath on those left behind in their sinful worlds.

[@Scottie_B]

@@sueregan2782 but when the judgement was complete who remained? Why would Jesus say remember Lots wife and then start speaking about who remains and who doesn’t? Read 2 Peter 3 v13. Either way I bless you, it’s all about Jesus for me and I’m sure it if for you too. Bless you.

[@BobSmith-lo1il]

In Matthew 24:40, 41, the Greek word for "taken" is paralambano, which means to draw something or someone close to you in intimacy; to be closely associated. The Greek word for "Left" in that passage is "aphiemi", which means to forsake, abandon or send away. The word is sometimes translated, divorce. It's pretty easy to see who is taken. Jesus is "taking" a wife!

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@sueregan2782 Isa. 26:19 the dead are Resurrected from the dust. Isa. 26:20 we goto HIM, HE hides us in manny mansions for a while and the indignation passes. Isa. 26:21 HE leaves HIS place in Heaven to judge the inhabitants of the world. Question to you, are you of this world? Jude 14, Zech. 14:15 HE brings the saints with HIM.

[@francisconarvaez586]

This guy needs to keep reading the scriptures. Rapture around the corner.

[@archam777]

And when your "not" raptured are you gonna take the Mark??? There would be no reason not to would there? God has already declared that your not His, by leaving you behind. Its a lie so you don't see the Mark for what it is. Do you even have any proofs rebutting the scripture he quoted?? Even one statement saying...."No, he said "this"....but scripture says "this" and this is why hes wrong." I doubt it. I'd bet you didn't even watch it. How exactly do you pick up your cross and follow Jesus when he takes you away from the fight before it even happens? There is only one time anyone is caught up in the clouds and thats after everything has already happened.

[@francisconarvaez586]

@@archam777 I can tell , you don't know the scriptures. Let me asked you a question. Even though I know the answer. What's the difference between the gospel of grace and the gospel of the kingdom?

[@archam777]

@@francisconarvaez586 Nice personal attack. Messianic Jew, i know scripture. Not going to remark on your question, since you never addressed what I put forth. I will say this though. Have fun with the Mark. ID 2020 coming real soon, right with that covid vaccine.......(which also contains aborted fetuses). But you will take it because the gov. will tell you you have to. Ill die before I take the biometric tracking chip with quantum dot tech that is run on an enzyme called luciferase......and its paten # is 060606 year 2020, funded and developed by some of the most evil people in existence. But I digress. (but no.....God will take you away with a Rapture, so it couldn't be that right) Watched Bill Gates, in a "Reddit Ask Me Anything" interview, say that "nothing will go back to normal and no-one would be able to buy or sell w/o taking the vacc/chip." Saw it with my own eyes. Doesn't matter that it looks and behaves exactly the way the Mark is described in Chap 13 of Rev..........at least to you cause youll be Raptured. Lemme ask you this.....would you let them place a pentagram on your wrist if they said you couldn't buy or sell w/o it? If you say no.....why would it matter. It cant be the Mark (because of your Dogma), doesn't affect your salvation because you know, Rapture. I can live w/o having to buy or sell in society....can you??? Oh....it doesnt matter anyway tho, it couldnt be the "Mark" because youll be raptured way b4 any of that happens wont you? (if it sounds like im repeating myself, i am, thats what Jews do culturally for EMPHASIS). What about wearing a shirt that says Satan is God??? Would you wear that if they said you couldn't buy or sell w/o it? Im guessing no. Sooooooo..........why is this thing (if you said no to the other two things), that looks and behaves exactly like the Mark of Rev. chap.13, for Christs sake ITS PATEN NUMBER IS 666!!!!!!! (begging His name, not using it in vain), any different than the other 2 examples i have presented? Why even write the book of Rev. if all the believers are gonna be gone b4 the worst happens anyway??? To write to a bunch of unbelieving mockers and scoffers that wouldnt believe it in the first place? Why would those people even be warned??? Theyre all eternally damned anyway? Your denomination is infested with Freemasons/occultists. I'm not a Lutheran, but I can say one thing about Missouri Synod Lutherans.....you cant belong to their Church if you belong to a Fraternal Order/Secret Society. Really no other denominations say this. The Rapture is a lie.......don't take the Mark. Be safe in the coming Tribulation. You have been warned.

[@autumnn.215]

Doesn't say anything about the rapture in the Bible in the Bible it says the just and unjust will suffer. Both believers, and non-believers will suffer during the 7 year tribulation

[@randypacchioli2933]

The rapture of the church is indeed biblical. It is the believer’s “blessed” hope. 👍✝️

[@waynereyos1297]

Yes it is unless you don't like His coming then I suppose you'll hold to the heresy of no rapture.

[@jimness3760]

It’s the imminent secret pre tribulation rapture that is a myth. British and North American evangelicals are scared of any persecution so they gravitate to a east way out. They believe persecution is for Chinese Indian Arab and others.

[@petepayette6690]

He coming back for those looking for his return...... When you see these signs look up your redemption is near Look for the signs of his return Pray that your worthy to escape what is coming on the earth

[@Yani-q2k]

Yes, Amen!

[@jonstephenson609]

With all due respect sir it is obvious that this fellow has not done his homework. I suggest you look up the writings Zola Levitt. Where he speaks and explains in layman terms the Jewish marriage supper and how it relates to Jesus Christ. Then you may begin to start understanding The Rapture promise. It is not a theory. Good luck

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@jonstephenson609 the wedding is with the bride not the married wife who's children of the desolate are greater than that of the married wife; Isa. 54:1, Dan. 9:27

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@jonstephenson609 correct, 1st the bride hears the contract "gospel heard and accepted. He pays a worthy price for her, ✝. He goes back to his father's house to prepare a place for them, "many mansions". The bride watches for she knows not when the groom might come to snatch her away. "Only the father knows the day and hour" SON go get your bride. He leaves with friends in the midnight hour, the friends blow trumpets along the way. She is snatch away back to HIS father's house and hidden for 7 days "7 years". They come out married forever and the wedding supper begans the last cup is drank.

[@lonelybro77]

@@jonstephenson609 no thanks. Paul from Tarsus is my rebbe

[@tomkirk8954]

Everything you said was just your opinion. There was no proof.

[@TLA-ml2lg]

Those who teach the pretrib rapture talk about tribulation saints as those left behind but the bible makes no separate distinction of leftover saints. And no mention of any left behind other than those of us who are living who follow the dead in Christ.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Pre-tribbers have to make up ALLL kinds of things to try to deal with the clear contradiction of the Bible to their belief. They ALSO have to REMOVE plainly stated meaning in scripture to try to force their belief into the Bible.

[@JpMan-d4q]

The left over left behind saints appear all thru the Bible in the types, figures and foreshadows. ENOCH did not suffer, endure tribulations or see death. He was 'translated' to heaven because he walked with God, he 'pleased ' God. He wasn't a murmurer, whiner or coward who wanted to 'escape death' . He was obedient. NOAH was a type of the left behind saints who will go thru the great tribulation. He saw death. When Jesus was crucified, the graves were opened and ' many of the old testament saints arose and appeared to many in Jerusalem. NOT ALL the old testament saints arose. Again we see 2 distinct groups of saints. One taken and the other left behind. They are the foreshadow of the last day lukewarm church (revelation 3) that will, miss the rapture and go thru the tribulation. Those that overcome will SIT with him on his throne (king and queen, the Bride) . The great multitude of saints (revelation 7: 10-15)that were shown to John that had come out of great tribulation and washed their robes are the left behind foolish virgins also mentioned in mathew 25. These saints are BEFORE his throne. They serve him day and night . They dont REIGN with him. They are NOT sitting with him in his throne like the queen, the Bride. Yes ! There is scripture all thru the Bible about these 2 groups. It's there hidden from the wise and prudent and revealed to babes such as would learn. A humble attitude towards God .

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

@@JpMan-d4q The REASON Enoch was taken is never stated. He was NOT taken to avoid any coming event, as the only really scary thing recorded was the flood, which came 669 years AFTER Enoch was gone. It had nothing to do with the flood. Noah was the only man seen as righteous. Are you claiming that he was a "left behind" (as in not privileged to be raptured) Saint? Seriously? I keep thinking I have seen every silly, illogical and shifty twisting of scripture possible, but alas...

[@LyleCooper]

@TLA-ml2lg I disagree. The bible does not in so many words call the saints that must go into the 70th week, "tribulation saints," but the very fact that they are there identifies them as such. They cannot be "the church" for Paul tells us the rapture must come before wrath, and John in Revelation shows us that God's wrath will begin before the 70th week begins. If saints are not in heaven during God's wrath on earth, it is obvious they were "left behind."

[@DianaSzucs-jv7yo]

@@LyleCooper 1) Since the Bible says the rescue comes AFTER the Tribulation, pretribbles have decided, without biblical permission to do so, that parts of the Bible are "not meant for the church." 2) Since the ONLY Bible that the early church had was the OT, and since the Apostles teaching FROM the OT wrote that ALL of the Scriptures are for us(the church), and that the Bible is sufficient for our needs, the mythical dispensational SYSTEM was invented, based on the claim that God, (the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent creator) is unable to deal with both Jews and gentiles at the same time, despite all of the scriptures proving the opposite. 3) So, since the Bible calls individual CHRISTIANS "Saints", "Servants". and "The Elect" and since those people (saints, servants, the elect) are seen all through the tribulation, the myth of the "Tribulation Saint" was invented. You admit that the Bible says nothing about "Tribulation saints, but they MUST exist because they are there. I think what you are actually saying is, "if they don't exist my theology is wrong." You are trying to prove a thing with zero evidence by going back and changing what is stated, or by adding "facts not in evidence." It doesn't work. The Bible did *not* promise that it would give obscure hints that the people must assume the meaning of. It says that God does *nothing* unless He first REVEALS IT to his people the prophets. A pretrib escape was never revealed to the prophets. The word translated as "revealed" means to publish, make known, strip bare, expose. Where is the pretrib rapture clearly exposed? 4) The ones "Left behind" are the saints! The evil are blown away like the chaff in the thrashing field. When Jesus spoke of one taken and one left behind, they asked, "Where are they taken?" The answer is: where the corpse is, the birds of prey gather.

[@sketchbook1]

The Rapture is at the Return, at the Last Trumpet.

[@doncleveland1245]

"I go to prepare a place for you" would be irrelevant if what you say is true. No need to prepare a place if we turn around and come back down. Does Jesus say irrelevant things??? I doubt it, but maybe you know more than me.

[@Littleangel_-jp4xb]

@@doncleveland1245 the New Jerusalem is the prepared place. It comes down from heaven, adorned as a bride for her groom. Read Revelation 21. The heaven and earth we know now will pass away. No need to go anywhere since he brings it down. Jesus did not teach a pre-tribulation rapture. Not one time

[@sketchbook1]

@@doncleveland1245 Scripture must harmonize. That’s all we’re saying. We WILL be with Jesus forever, whether Pre or Post Trib. The Pre-Trib position puts ALL OF THE COUNTLESS Christians who are martyred during the Tribulation in the position of NOT having a place made for them… they are faithful, but somehow they don’t count in the Pre-Trib position as His Church or Bride.

[@doncleveland1245]

@@Littleangel_-jp4xb Bingo. Ask yourself "why is the New Jerusalem prepared as a bride..." because the Bride is onboard, that is why. At that point, we have been onboard for the previous 7 years, because it was prepared for us. The pretrib rapture brings us there, why you ask? Because the "time of testing" or "Time of Jacob's Trouble" is only for unbelievers. The Bride believes. "Let not your heart be troubled?" do you actually think that spending 7 years of hell on Earth would trouble anyone?? By your own words, you claim Jesus lies. I would not want to be in your shoes on Judgement day...

[@doncleveland1245]

@@sketchbook1 Tribulation Saints saw the Bride leave in the pretrib rapture. Why do you think they now know they must be martyred for Christ? Because knowing eternal life is waiting for you, does something to you. The place made for the Bride is the New Jerusalem, and those martyred for Christ are under the altar... What? You don't think so? Revelation 6:9 proves you wrong. "When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been killed because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained;" Remember to push your way to the front of the line for your Blessed hope of martyrdom, sir.

[@2018wrxaddict]

Respectfully, this man is incorrect, and I don't get my ideas from Darby. I get my knowledge from the Bible. The rapture was taught nearly 2 millennia ago. There are 7 different raptures described within the Bible, one of them being Elijah, one of them being Enoch, another including the church (I challenge you to find the others). The rapture of the church comes before God's wrath. God has promised true believers in Jesus that they will not suffer His wrath. The church will come back WITH Jesus at His second coming after the tribulation (70th week of Daniel). The bridegroom (Jesus) has gone to prepare a place for His bride, and He is coming back for his bride (the church). Remember, the Bible describes many things according to Jewish tradition. The bride does not experience God's wrath while waiting for the bridegroom. John 14: 2-3, Jesus said, "In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also." Again, remember the Jewish tradition that the bridgroom leaves his future bride for a time then comes back for her, and she does not experience wrath while he is gone. Remember, Jesus comes back FOR his bride (the church) first, then He comes back WITH His bride (the church) after God's wrath and the tribulation are finished. 1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end He may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints." "End" and "with" are two key words. Also, if there is no rapture, then all believers will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye, at some point, and have glorified bodies. There will be nobody to go into God's millennial kingdom in regular, earthly bodies (which God says people who die at 100 years old during this time will be considered infants--so people will die during this time). The raptured and transformed saints will never die. There MUST be a rapture to establish those who will rule in God's millennial kingdom.

[@nancyking]

I was never taught about Darby, just from the Bible. I never heard of him until about a year ago.

[@bettybyrnes8946]

The knowledge of the rapture is any thing but dying out. We are looking forward more than ever to the rapture. Even so, come LORD JESUS!❤

[@bevm.4832]

Amen! And Thank You Betty I'm Right There With You! We Are Deep Into The Last Days And JESUS Could Come Back At Any Time! ❤ God Bless! 😊

[@gman4634]

Respectfully, I would suggest pulling away from liberal false teaching, instead read your Bible. The second coming of Christ is a great hope for all who truly believe, and will answer to God for deceiving His children!

[@lonelybro77]

@@gman4634 absolutely, gman! Titus 2:13, among many others. These people think they're going to avoid suffering for their faith. Lol. Tell that to those who are suffering now because they refuse to bow the knee to the God of this world. Phil. 1:29

[@kr5289]

Exactly, Betty, hearing people like this guy just gives more assurance of the truth of God's word that they will come in sheep's clothing perverting the truth. I feel sorry for this guy who apparently is lost. I pray God will open his eyes soon.

[@lonelybro77]

@@kr5289 who are you to judge him?

[@clinttullous5233]

I am rapture ready! Come Lord Jesus !

[@aaroncrutcher5957]

How do you know if your rapture ready?? I love Jesus and I'm ready for him, but I don't know what rapture is

[@mohamedmohamed-f7n7t]

there is no rapture

[@bullwinklejmoos]

Then you’ll be waiting for a long time.

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@bullwinklejmoos says who?

[@TreyConnor-lf3ll]

Where is the rapture in the Bible?

[@d33bo67]

you’re talking about the pre-trib rapture

[@andyjluna8351]

2 Thessalonians 2:7 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. The anti Christ is coming and the church is the one who stops him until the rapture. If the Holy Spirit is the one who stops the anti Christ thats means that in the time of the tribulation and great tribulation salvation will be in human effort cuz the Holy Spirit were taken from the world.

[@cryptojihadi265]

It doesn't say that AT ALL. The Church isn't stopping ANYTING, LOL. Have you even LOOKED at the state of the world? America was a country founded on Christian principals and the Church couldn't stop it from descending into the moral abyss that it is now. IF Paul wanted to say the Holy Spirit was holding the beast back, he would have said so. Also, IF the Holy Spirit is what saves people and brings us to repentance, then how is ANYONE going to get saved during the tribulation IF the Holy Spirit has been removed. And IF by some miracle, suddenly men can come to the Lord WITHOUT the Holy Spirit, then how are they going to survive the 7 years WITHOUT the indwelling of the Holy Spirt that ALL previous Christians have been gifted with? That argument falls apart so quickly, with just the minimum of scrutiny. Besides, Rev 20:4-5 plainly states the FIRST resurrection includes those who wouldn't take the mark of the beast or worship his image. Paul in 1 Thess 4:16-17 flat out states the Dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up. So if the rapture takes place AFTER a resurrection, then it's impossible for it to take place BEFORE the FIRST resurrection, which includes those killed by the beast. Ergo, the rapture can't take place before the tribulation and the martyring of the saints by the beast.

[@lunagoddess1289]

It is not a secret. Everybody will hear the trumpet sound.

[@lancekey6966]

I will wave at you on the way up/ good luck

[@matthewgrumbling4993]

I read Hal Lindsay as a youth, also a lot of other books on the subject. As I grew in faith, I started to realize that dispensational theology is weak in it biblical foundations. In graduate school I finally read George Eldon Ladd’s “The Blessed Hope.” That nailed it, because I finally had found a scholar who could clearly articulate all the problems I was seeing in the text for dispensationalism. That’s not to say that you’re going to hell if you believe in the rapture. But don’t lose your faith when you have to go through the tribulation. You’re not left behind. You’re just suffering the temptation that’s common to all humanity. Remember, Jesus promised salvation to those who stood firm until the end.

[@duanehamilton3247]

The Holy Spirit is in every believer at the moment they believe the Gospel (Ephesians 1:13&14) and it is the Holy Spirit that restrains the man of sin. The Holy Spirit continues to restrain until He is taken out of the way. Since He indwells believers, we will be removed with Him or otherwise we are left on earth to fend for ourselves. If there is no rapture then the Thessalonians would not be concerned that they could have missed the gathering together with the Lord and the catching way comes first. Thessalonians 2:1-3 False teachers do not rightly divide the Word of God and teach that salvation by Grace alone + nothing can be found in the four gospels. The truth is that Paul alone was given the Gospel of Grace and He alone is the Apostle to the gentiles.

[@salascarl]

regardless we get raptured or resurrected from our dead bodies it is all about John 3:16 and John 14:6, period. However there are solid cases proving The rapture and the second coming of Jesus are two distinct events. I want to share my video kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4KvppaOoL90jKc

[@andersfallstam1165]

Brother if you read in thessalonians it clearly states that the rapture of the church is coming plus there are a lot of places in the Bible that talks about it and tells us all about the Blessed Hope!!! And that is a promise from GOD HIM Self and GOD DOES not lie!!! Plus even Jesus said it as he assended to heaven I go to prepare aplace for you so where i am you will Also be. So there is a Rapture when it will be we don't know not even Jesus Knows but GOD Knows!!! So keep looking up cause our redemptions IS drawing nigh!!!!

[@andersfallstam1165]

Yes correct, plus when the tribulation starts the Holy Spirit will still be working but as He Did in the old testament times. @@duanehamilton3247

[@junea7794]

@@duanehamilton3247 I agree but also Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit when He was baptized. I believe that we, just as Jesus was, are filled with the Holy Spirit when we are baptized. We are Christ followers doing as He did just not as perfectly. Matt 24 clearly explains that Christ returns for us immediately after the Tribulation. People ought to research the Bible instead of letting others do it for them. It is very clear on Christ's return. When I was young I didn't know the Scriptures so I was deceived. After reading the Bible cover to cover for many years I could not find any confirmation of a Rapture. Christ comes for us to bring Judgement & rewards, give us new bodies that never die, destroy evil and rule the earth with us according to the Bible. Pretty exciting.

[@histruthunfolding9539]

Dr. Cooper, I love your videos and respect you very much; but I must disagree with you on this topic. Jesus did teach about the rapture in John 14. I would challenge anyone to examine this passage and arrive at a different conclusion. It's not possible unless you really bend scripture. Also, there are plenty of church fathers and Bible teachers before Darby who taught the rapture. If you'd like I will search them out and provide their quotes for you. Also, you didn't cover some of the most concrete verses in scripture about the rapture. Again, I will provide those also if needed. I do truly enjoy your material particularly your videos on why Calvinism isn't Biblical, but I would encourage you to prayerfully do some more in depth research on the subject of the rapture. Thank you for all that you do. I agree with the vast majority of your videos. God bless.

[@pmDebata]

Which verse(s) of John 14? Please provide me the father's quotes.

[@jamesburson5689]

John chapter 14 only tells of His return.. nothing about a secret RAPTURE of the church or HIM coming back in that manner.. What he did teach in Matthew is, after the tribulation of those days,, which he had just explained,,Then shall the Son of Man appear in the clouds,, EVERY EYE will see HIM.. You want to USE Thessalonians.. With a shout,, with a trumpet and the SHOUT of the archangel.. Nothing hidden OR secret... You want more,go check out REVELATION 20,, not two raptures.. two RESURRECTIONS.. Study to show yourself approved 🙏✝️❤️🙌

[@loveanne5134]

AMEN 🙏🙏🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@obscuredictionary3263]

Dispensationalism was never believed throughout church history. You are right though some very early fathers believed in pre-millennialism but many also were amilenialial.

[@histruthunfolding9539]

@@obscuredictionary3263 There were absolutely zero amillenialists for the first four hundred years of church history. Augustine was the first to ever teach it. As far as dispensationalism, just read Irenaeus' Against Heresies. He was definitely a dispensationalist.

[@rickhuntling7338]

He's wrong about the early writings not teaching the Doctrine of Imminency aka secret Rapture. Truth is they taught a pre-trib Rapture. He obviously doesn't discern the bible or he hasn't read the proof text for a secret rapture. To bad for him he will be left behind with the other 5 foolish virgins. Isa. 26:19-21, Rev. 3:10, 6:11, 12:5-12, Jn. 14:1-3 Zech. 14:15, Jude 14 to list a few.

[@cryptojihadi265]

Nice projection, on ALL counts. There is not ONE verse that teaches the pre-trib rapture. Every verse you site requires you to read meaning into scripture that isn't actually stated. Now, even if some of those interpreted meanings are reasonable or logical, an interpreted or extrapolated meaning of scripture can never trump specifically stated meaning in scripture. Rev 20:4-5 plainly, in no uncertain terms, tells us the FIRST resurrection includes those who refused to worship the beast or take his mark. Paul says in 1 Thess 4:16-17 that the dead in Christ rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up. So, if the rapture takes place AFTER a resurrection, there is no way it can take place before the FIRST one, which includes those killed by the antichrist. So, clearly we can't be caught up before the tribulation and the martyrdom of the Saints killed by the beast. That's all further supported by Paul saying we will be changed at the Last Trumpet. The Last Trumpet mentioned in the Bible is the 7th Trumpet which announces the 7 bowls of wrath and God coming down to judge the wicked. THAT is when we are caught up to be with the Lord as He descends to establish His reign. This fits perfectly with Jesus PROMISING us tribulation and Paul saying we are not appointed to wrath. The foolish virgins are the ones that weren't prepared, BECAUSE of the Bride Grooms delay. He didn't come when they expected Him, so they weren't ready, their oil ran out. Now who, in your scenario, would be the people not prepared because of the Lord's delay? Those who are expecting to be raptured BEFORE the tribulation, or those fully prepared to endure the tribulation, and not expecting Christs return until AFTER the Tribulation?

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@cryptojihadi265 Rev. 20 4:5 are tribulation saints that haven't accepted the mark of the beast. You read into the verses "includes". It doesn't say or imply, it includes everyone that that has ever believed. They are raised on the last day but it doesn't discount a Isa. 26:19-21 Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev. 6:11 the saints are in Heaven receiving wedding robes, asking how long LORD until you avenge our deaths? HE answers a little season (Sabbath for the Land 7 years) while still more brethren on earth suffer martyr's deaths. The U-turn theory is so week, it's grasping at straws. Jude 14 and Zech. 14:5 both say HE brings "ALL" the saints with him. Mat. 24:32 the saints are gathered from the 4 winds of "Heaven", Isa. 26:20 is clear we go to JESUS, hid for a while the indignation passes. 26:21 HE leaves his place to judge the inhabitants on earth. In harmony with Jn. 14:1-3, Rev. 6:11, 12:5-12. Obviously the foolish virgins were left behind, able to buy oil. The wise are under the altar dressing in wedding robes.

[@jaycole2109]

Thanks for this video. What do you think will happen, and when (not an exact date). Thankfully, this is interesting but not a salvation issue. I grew up in the episcopal church, and had never heard (even though it’s mentioned in the liturgy) that Jesus will come back to reign on earth. I thought that if I was a “good person”, hopefully I’d go to heaven. Thank God I heard about the rapture! I was immediately struck like lightning, & after prayer I realized that I’m a watchwoman on the wall; I get great joy from the hope that Jesus might pull us out of here any day. The Bible seems to be purposely ambiguous, and it will roll out according to God’s will, perfectly. We may face persecution & death, as the apostles did. The Jews missed Jesus because they interpreted scripture incorrectly or had preconceived notions of what it would be like. Perhaps it will be different than we all imagine . (Also, my husband is a Lutheran, but Martin Luther taught replacement theology, so that is suspect too!). Peace, & praying for salvation for all. That’s the most important thing!

[@RaptureReadyforJesus-qv2ql]

I am ready to go home!!!!

[@salascarl]

Regardless we get raptured or resurrected from our dead bodies it is all about John 3:16 and John 14:6, period. However there are solid cases proving The rapture and the second coming of Jesus are two distinct events. I want to share my video kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4KvppaOoL90jKc

[@mikebrown9850]

I would probably disagree with a dozen or more doctrines of the Lutheran Church, but I certainly agree with the pastor here. Having said that, this is a point I’ve never heard any KZbin detractors of the rapture make. The context of 1 Corinthians 15 is the resurrection which hopefully every Bible student can agree on. Paul is teaching these early Christians about the resurrection from the dead most likely for the first time. This was a very profound revelation to them, one that we take for granted. Paul kept hammering this doctrine over and over throughout the chapter. So when he feels he’s established the doctrine as best as he can, he then adds something else. “Behold, I show you a mystery(secret), we shall not all sleep(die), but we shall all be changed…..”(1Corinthians 15:51). 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is describing the same exact event. Here is the mystery or the secret. The mystery is that you don’t have to actually be dead to be , (not resurrected, not raised up in the air, but) Changed to Spirit composition from physical. That is the mystery. Rapture proponents try to interpret the rising from the grave as the mystery. Absolutely, positively incorrect and in context cannot be misconstrued. The Trumpet blast also destroys any credibility of this being a secret return of Christ.

[@rosemarietolentino3218]

Yes there are twelve mysteries of God in the Bible. Along with five Crowns 👑👑👑👑👑 to lay at Jesus feet when you get to Heaven.

[@lodwill5116]

5 points for the rapture. We not appointed to wrath. Tribulation is wrath of God. Most mix the 2 main gospels. See grace ambassadors. And tribulation is for jacobs trouble. And Holy Spirit is taken out of way. And returns to time before cross. Resumes to Jews. Gentiles are the bride. Seperated from Jews. . Jews inculded. Of course.. but it’s times of gentiles. You can’t see grace nor the rapture. If you just mix . The 2 main gospels. And still under law. And not love. Lol. See also. Jim brackin n Ron knight n steave Atwood n Jim devney n Richard Jordan n Lesfeldick ministries explains church ⛪️ mixes the 2 main gospels 😮

[@joesperling1262]

"I come as a thief". "Behold every eye shall see him, even them who crucified him". There are definitely TWO phases to the coming of Christ. I believe there IS a rapture due to this.

[@salascarl]

regardless we get raptured or resurrected from our dead bodies it is all about John 3:16 and John 14:6, period. However there are solid cases proving The rapture and the second coming of Jesus are two distinct events. I want to share my video kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4KvppaOoL90jKc

[@cryptojihadi265]

Coming as a thief, just means he's coming to TAKE something, it doesn't mean it's some secret rapture.

[@mommad8666]

Who, what group of people said that the rapture would be in secret? My pentecostal background says that Every eye will see.

[@mrabon8]

This is one of the weakest attempts at refuting the doctrine of the Rapture that I have ever heard. The "Church" didn't get the doctrine of God's free grace until Martin Luther 1600 years after Christ's crucifixion! This guy believes tradition trumps the Word of God. May the Holy Spirit illuminate his understanding.

[@ILook4U2]

You are right!!!! There will not be a rapture for those left behind. They deny the word of God and are not followers of Jesus Christ. We who are born-again and have the Holy Spirit follow the word of God.. When they wake up and all the true Christians are gone, their reality will begin. They will have to suffer in the tribulation and the mark of the beast.

[@rickhuntling7338]

Amen but for the wrong reason. Our Rapture is to provoke Israel into Jealousy and repent and accept CHRIST, crowning HIM their King of kings.

[@DianeNichols-u1b]

The one's left behind are the ones who have the key of David and know the antichrist comes first claiming to be christ, left behind are waiting until Satan's Reine is over they will wait for our real Jesus not going to fall for the fake

[@dennismartin5821]

Wow, that's some of the most circular logic I've ever heard. If you follow the word of God then why would you say such?

[@ILook4U2]

@@dennismartin5821 Jesus said there will be two in the field and one taken. How would define His words as circular logic.

[@dennismartin5821]

@@ILook4U2 Yeah he said that, but not in the context your speaking of. Those tricks don't work. Your playing a dangerous game corrupting the Word of the Lord.

[@davidw.5185]

The safest confession to make is, and He shall come again to judge both the living and the dead. Dispensationalism doesn't come on the scene until recent church history, as the Rev. noted.

[@Pneuma40]

Because Dispensationalism is artificial, an eisegesis into scripture for the purpose of making everything in Gods word neat and tidy and easy to understand...... but basically incorrect. He is the same, yesterday, today and forevermore. He has no shadow of turning at all.

[@LyleCooper]

@davidw.5185 Do a search in the KJV for "dispensation" and you will find that God gave a special dispensation to Paul just for the Gentile church. The truth is, "dispensation" is not a bad word.

[@wayfarer1101]

It is rather ironic that there is such a bunfight about the "rapture" which is not even found in the original Greek New Testament. Biblically it is better to speak of the "coming of tge Lord" or when people on earth will "see" Him again. Check out: Matthew 23, verses 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not SEE ME AGAIN until you (the Jews in Israel) say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’ Jesus WON'T be back until the Jews call out for his blessed return. 😃 That won't happen in a overnight in a very secular Israel, whose comparatively few Orthodox Jews passionately hate Jesus, Christians and the Church, just as they also hate secular Israel! Orthodox Jews Have been videoed protesting with Muslims AGAINST the present state of Israel! How long will it take before they welcome Jesus' return? Matthew 24 gives a whole lot more details on Jesus' quite visible return.

[@riverjao]

The Scriptures repeatedly speak of the wicked being taken and the righteous remaining, inheriting the earth, etc. Jesus even literally prayed in John 17 that his followers would NOT be taken from the earth but be protected from the evil one. And the “days of Noah” and “days of Lot” scriptures are speaking of the events of 70AD, as the vast majority of Church history would agree.

[@lynnesun1969]

That's after the seven year tribulation we the saved will reign here for a thousand years...we will be raptured up so we will not suffer in the 7 year tribulation.

[@EdgeOfEntropy17]

@@lynnesun1969 Hey friend, I see nothing there about a seven year tribulation, do you? However, I do see references to people fleeing to the hills of Judea, the city being surrounded, and the temple being destroyed. This is obviously 70 A.D. when the Jewish system was taken away, just like Jesus promised. Observe: These are the wicked being taken away. Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and TOOK them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Observe: When Jesus would return. Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. So we must not apply these texts to some seven year tribulation period when Jesus never once says anything about it. Hope this helps. God bless.

[@jenanielson]

@@lynnesun1969 the rapture is not for all believers, but only for the little flock, or the first fruits, the ones to rule with Jesus in heaven.. There are many scriptures on this starting with Rev14..rev 7, rev21..

[@lynnesun1969]

@@jenanielson Your either a believer or not!

[@jenanielson]

@@lynnesun1969 I believe..I believe in God and his son , now King Jesus... but not the crazy teaching that the entire "church" is raptured..that is not what Gods word teaches. It's only for those needed ..the 144,000..because they are to be co-ruler with Jesus...not only for Armageddon , they fight along side with Jesus. They also as we read in Rev..they Judge the world..and help bring mankind back to the perfection state Adam lost...this happens during the thousands years.. The Apostles are the foundations of the New Jerusalem..and are part of this anointed group..if you read in Rev..the New Jerusalem (or government) comes down out of heaven..to earth..this is Gods kingdom..on earth as we read the Lords prayer..Jesus himself said your" let kingdom come"...to earth..what most fail to see, or acknowledge is that earth not heaven is our destination. .many scriptures and promises state this from the first book of Genesis to the last Rev.. What a wonderful Arrangement..God is so righteousness and wise..how loving of him..to give us such great leaders. On the night of Nisan 14, 33 C.E., after celebrating the Lord’s Evening Meal Jesus made this covenant with his faithful apostles. To the 11 faithful apostles he promised that they would sit on thrones. (Lu 22:28-30; compare 2Ti 2:12.) Later, he showed that this promise extended to all spirit-begotten ‘conquerors.’ (Re 3:21; see also Re 1:4-6; 5:9, 10; 20:6.) On the day of Pentecost he inaugurated this covenant toward them by the anointing with holy spirit of those disciples present in the upper room in Jerusalem. (Ac 2:1-4, 33) Those who would stick with him through trials, dying his kind of death (Php 3:10; Col 1:24), would reign with him, sharing his Kingdom rule. The covenant remains operative between Jesus Christ and these associate kings forever.​-Re 22:5. These kings are numbered in Rev ch 7..144,000.. They are the only ones with this heavenly calling.. For they have to have something to rule over...which will be the great crowd..(no number..also ch 7 of rev)...of righteous followers. And it states also that these, the great crowd of righteous followers, will be the ones that come out of the great tribulation. .it would not make sense to take all of Jesus's followers to heaven in a rapture..because they are indeed here for the tribulation. That is why it is so important to build trust in God now...and to have fellow believers who understand this basic truth, to lean on and help one another through this tribulation. All this talk that we will be taken away is not preparing us for what is ahead. Jesus himself said those that endure to the end..will be the ones to gain everlasting life. The end is the end of Satans system..and Gods take over after Armageddon. .for the word Armageddon means Gods great day...it is a good thing..for those believing on him....with new heavens. What are these “new heavens”? They are not new physical heavens. God made our physical heavens perfect, and they bring him glory. (Psalm 8:3; 19:1, 2) The “new heavens” refer to a new rulership over the earth. The “heavens” now are made up of man-made governments. At Armageddon these will pass away. (2 Peter 3:7) The “new heavens” that will replace them will be God’s heavenly government. Its king will be Jesus Christ. But ruling with him as part of the “new heavens” will be 144,000 of his faithful followers.-Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1, 3. The new earth What, then, is the “new earth”? It is not a new planet. God made this planet Earth just right for humans to live on, and it is his will that it remain forever. (Psalm 104:5) The “new earth” refers to a new group or society of people. The Bible often uses the word “earth” in such a way. For example, it says: “All the earth [meaning, the people] continued to be of one language.” (Genesis 11:1) The “earth” that will be destroyed are the people that make themselves part of this wicked system of things. (2 Peter 3:7) The “new earth” that replaces them will be made up of true servants of God who have separated themselves from this world of wicked people.-John 17:14; 1 John 2:17 Then the 1000 year reign can start..the resurrection, the healing( we read in the last part of rev..the leaves of the trees, that are by the river of life, are for the healings of the nations. The nations of earth) and learning process to bring mankind back to the way God intended. Perfect.

[@fernandoaguilar8778]

The understanding of the rapture starts with understanding dispensation Paul talks about it

[@rickhuntling7338]

JESUS tells us it's like a thief in the night. 5 wise believed in a pre-trib secret Rapture 5 foolish thought HE tary. JESUS said the dispensation of "the Time of the Gentiles be fulfilled" then Jerusalem will be anexed back to Israel post secret Rapture; Lk. 21:24

[@wallinggraham3836]

@@rickhuntling7338 Except it isnt a secret rapture because the 5 foolish virgins know that the lord has arrived, but are left out. Unbelievers will see the resurrection because it happens when christ returns to earth.

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@wallinggraham3836 lets talk arter you learn to read instead of making stuff up. The 5 foolish believe HE tary and leave to buy more oil. In other words the foolish are post trib fools like yourself. The good man is another post trib fool who doesn't watch for the thief in the night. He wakes and find his innocent kids gone with his wise pre trib wife. Rev. 6:11 wise virgins at the altar receiving wedding garments. They have to wait fot the Day of the LORD a little season while still more on earth are beheaded. That be you foolish virgin. Did you get your oil? Rev. 12:4 holocaust anf birth of a Nation May 15th 1948 the tender branch puts forth leaves, This generation is still alive in their 70s. Rev. 12:5 Harpazo of men like children are taken up to his throne. Verse 12 we have a party but woe to the inhabitants on earth the devil knows he only has 7 years. You can't get a post trib out of Isa. 26:19-21. The dead rise, we goto HIM hid in "many mansions" Jn.14:1-3 while the indignation passes. HE leaves HIS place to judge the inhabitants still on earth. That's when they see him. Guess what we got HIS back; Jude 14, Zech. 14:15. 2nd Thess.2;3 "the DEPARTURE comes first". Verse 7 the "mystery" of the Church is taken out so the antichrist can be revealed.

[@notsure1582]

This video seems very popular so it must not be true. My favorite part is the "Holy Crap" look on his face when he realizes there will be a rapture, and he's reading out loud in real time in the Bible, then edits and cuts it out of the video.😮 This guy oozes evil. My gut tells me he is lying about his credentials and everything. "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words."

[@maureenhumbarger9369]

As Christians were not appointed unto wrath and that is why he will take us out

[@jonhop11]

When the plagues hit Egypt, the Israelites were safe in Goshen, but still in the world, when the floods came, Noah and his family were safe in the ark, Daniel in the lions den, Red Sea crossing, ETC.

[@jimwest5027]

Your definition of "wrath" is too broad. God's wrath is final judgement, heaven or hell.

[@LyleCooper]

@@jimwest5027 Jim, since it was Paul that received the revelation of the rapture, we should use his definition of God's wrath. Do a search on "wrath" in the Pauline Epistles.

[@benjamingolen1399]

Enjoyed your teaching on the Rapture.

[@apeasall3341]

Brother, let me ask you, If a man’s wife were threatened, would the husband not do all to protect her? Christ is the Bridegroom and His Church, the Bride. Would He subject her to His wrath poured out during the 70th week. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says No. Not all the history you speak of contained sound doctrine.

[@sandracrumpler54]

I used to believe this until I studied the Bible for myself 🙏

[@jeanniestaller797]

In my personal study in order to teach the rapture, I started having doubts for all the scriptures used for rapture really seemed to be talking about the Second Coming. Do you think the last trumpet is the same as the 7th trumpet of Revelation?

[@jeanniestaller797]

@@PsalmChapter117 first if all "trump" and "trumpet" are the same thing. Dead in Christ and alive in Christ both will be raised at the last (7th) trump(et).

[@jeanniestaller797]

I don't have any argument against the dead in Christ will rise first. It still appears to happen as a one time event at the Second coming. No discrepancy there.

[@jeanniestaller797]

@@PsalmChapter117 I don't know how this is relevant to the topic. But I do believe we are saved by faith alone. There also is a lot in the Bible about works but it's not what saves us. I'm still learning but it seems works after salvation is more about relationship and reward.

[@jeanniestaller797]

Yea, I don't take preachers' word for it. I study it for myself. Even after being a Christian for over 50 yrs I'm still learning the more I study God's Word. I believe in following the whole Word where it leads and having an intense love for the Truth. Truth lovers are always on a journey discovering God's Word more fully as we go. God Bless.

[@pretribharpazo2087]

@jeanniestaller797 I actually posted this comment in reply to another comment but it is relevant to your question so I i will repeat it here: I am a pre tribulation, dispensationalist. I am not going to debate with you or anyone else. Nothing said in this video changed my understanding. The rapture doctrine is clearly not a requirement for justification so we are free to hold differing beliefs and still be born again. I will challenge you to be a Berean described in Acts 17:11 and question why you believe the "last trump" has anything at all to do with the trumpet judgements of Revelation. Paul was martyred in the early to mid 60's AD. The Revelation was given to John somewhere after 70 AD to 100 AD (I believe during the 90's AD). There is no indication that Paul had any knowledge of the trumpet judgements. Also, they are judgements from God on the people who are rejecting Christ. What does that have to do with God's dealings with the saints? There are some Messianic Jews who correlate the last trump to the tekiah gedolah, a long trumpet blast at the end of one of the Jewish feasts. However, what is the purpose of this last trump? And if it is the last trump it implies there was a first Trump. As the text in 1 Corinthians 15:50-58 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 indicate, the trump is a call of gathering for God's people. The trumpet judgements in Revelation are against the enemies of God, not His people so they cannot be seen as either the first or the last trumps. If you turn to Exodus 19:10-20, you will read that God told Moses to gather the Jews at the sound of a long and loud trumpet blast. From my study of Scripture this is the first trump gathering God's people together and corresponds to the referenced last trump which is also a calling together of God's people. In the context of Exodus 19 in verse 6 God tells them they will be a kingdom of priests, a promise which is extended to the Church in the New Testament

[@micah6817]

I think people are terrified to believe there is no rapture,bc they actually realize they have to go through tribulation,and hardships exct..there's revelation in all the so called rapture scriptures..if people would just study the word,and ask the holy spirit..which is the teacher and counselor.

[@anchored555]

Watch “Chuck Missler proves the pre-Tribulation Rapture” on KZbin - excellent, well-researched biblical exposition on the subject. Be blessed.

[@garryh3126]

Chuck messler is not of a true christain teaching.

[@maureenhumbarger9369]

God tells us we should pray that we be worthy to escape the things that are coming on the earth then you read the first part of Revelation he comes for his saints and the end of Revelations he comes back with his saints. Then didn’t GOD PUT Noah and his family in safety , the same with Lot he sent angels to bring them out

[@BloodBoughtMinistries]

The wrath yes. Tribulation we cannot escape. See the book of revelation. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:22‭-‬31 NKJV Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. II Thessalonians 2:1‭-‬12 NKJV After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying: “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen.” Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:9‭-‬14 NKJV There must first be a great tribulation and the revealing of the man of sin before Jesus returns. Anyone who preaches a pre trib rapture is setting people up to fall for the antichrists deception. Know the difference between tribulation and the wrath of God. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. Revelation 13:14‭-‬18 NKJV And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Revelation 20:4 NKJV

[@raulmontes2888]

Revelation 16:15 15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”)

[@Loenthall88]

Recently in conversation with an acquaintance I casually mentioned (in context) there was no such thing as the rapture. By his reaction you would have thought I had shot his mother. Deeply entrenched beliefs are not easily dismantled in most. I applaud you for trying.

[@christiansoldier77]

@Loenthall88 There is a rapture just not a pretrib secret rapture. The rapture happens after the tribulation

[@eltonron1558]

​@christiansoldier77 Not unless Christ comes to reign a thousand years first.

[@christiansoldier77]

@@eltonron1558 the millennium is after the rapture and wrath of God

[@rw4170]

Thank you! Finally, someone with some COMMON SENSE!!! Nowhere in the Bible is there a secret rapture, as taught by so many evangelical churches. I call them "parrots" because they just repeat what's been taught since it's inception in the 1830s. The Scriptures are never seriously examined and proper exegesis applied! (Are you listening Dr. David Jeremiah?)

[@jwsanders1214]

Could you possibly be wrong ? Why would Jesus pour out his wrath on his Bride, the Church ?

[@bigmac3006]

Thank you for not being sarcastic toward those of us that firmly hold to the Biblical teaching of the pre tribulation return of Christ for his Bride. It was refreshing to hear your side without the common biting sarcasm. Thank you.

[@MBK.191]

Surely God will not let all KIDS because of their Parents that are not Christians GO TO HELL , there are over 200 million children under 7 years ,just here in Europe and China, THEY CAN'T DECIDE (MARK OF THE BEAST) FOR THEMSELVES, now 90% in both respective places are not Christians and the 10% ,5% are serious Catholics and still pray to Mary ,leaving the other 5% , so If They Are TO GO THROUGH TRIBULATION, THAT MEANS AUTOMATICALLY THOSE MAJORITY OF CHILDREN with parents who are not Christians will be FORCED TO RECEIVE MARK OF THE BEAST (MILLIONS OF THEM), if that's true then I dont know the meaning of this bible scripture " **19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.19:15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. Matthew 19v 14. The only mystery to let them escape is Rapture. Read also Parable of the 10 Virgins, gives a clear picture of RAPTURE, It doesn't say it's for RAPTURE but that's also why it's a PARABLE. If its description is for second coming after the TRIBULATION I dont think there will be people coming and knocking at the door when they realise that they are left behind, simply because all the remaining people non Christians will have mark of the beast hence AUTOMATICALLY, have devil's DNA , Well I know it's so hard for post TRIBULATION believers to admit the truth about Rapture because most of them will realise they have been falsely teaching people and failed to understand the MYSTERY all this time ,and it's hard for them to go back and remove videos they made supporting post trib and making Believers to wait for antichrist first instead of Jesus, Anyway I pray that the Holy Spirit help us all, we are all Believers and children of God, whether by Rapture or TRIBULATION, let us prepare to meet our Lord Jesus, if he doesn't snatch us ,we still are ready to die for him , But post TRIBULATION believers are wrong ,you are at a huge LoST because the day will catch you Unawares.

[@joshuaraleigh4834]

@@MBK.191 the great tribulation was the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 as referenced by Christ in Mathew 24...surely all these things will be fulfilled in this generation. So in this world we will have tribulation, but not the great tribulation. The parable of the wise virgins is in the second half of the Olivet discourse...once again not referencing our time. Written to the Jews that had the choice to receive Jesus in that 40 year period(a generation) after Christ gave his discourse in the mount of olives. We see a pattern of Israel in the wilderness and not entering because of their unbelief. They had a 40 year transition period from old covenant to new covenant. Oil is an Old Testament shadow of Holy Spirit. The mosaic system was judged in AD 70 and those who heeded Christ’s warnings (when you see the army surrounding Jerusalem, flee! And know that the desolation is at hand) were saved. Hope this helps.

[@janinewatson3208]

@@joshuaraleigh4834, yes! Yeshua was the New Covenant. Check out Gary Demar’s book Last Days Madness.

[@jayveebee1076]

The foolish argument that the Rapture will be a secret is repeated by the ignorant.

[@bigmac3006]

@@jayveebee1076 I would never call my brothers and sisters in Christ "ignorant".

[@changstein]

to understand the "rapture" (it should be called the "snatching away") you must understand dispensationalism - the Body of Christ gets snatched away into the clouds, whereas Israelites remain to establish the kingdom. Paul makes this explicitly clear in 1 and 2 thess. screw the church traditions. no point if commenting if you don't understand this essential fact

[@billsmith147]

You lost me totally right from the get go, with the major premise of your presentation which is, that many Christians believe in a secret rapture. Your the first pastor, minister, that I am aware of; to raise the issue ( I know in the negative). I agree that there is no "secret rapture" but there is a rapture as detailed in the Bible. You confuse your own argument by not separating a secret rapture from a biblical rapture. Also, I don't agree with your reasoning, in your reason #3 as to who is taken. Your logic doesn't fit the context of the statements of Christ. Using the story of Noah, Those who were "left" are the victims of the flood. Those who were "taken" were the people thru the Grace of God and their righteousness were in the ARK and thus saved. The same is true in the rapture those left will face the remainder of the tribulation, those taken will be with Christ and the other members of the Church in Heaven and thus are saved.

[@edwardekman9832]

He should read all of 1 Thessalonians 4 and 5. It is clear how we should live, and we the true believers will be raptured and will not go through God’s wrath.

[@emanuelkournianos7412]

Jesus says “For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the LAST DAY.” John 6:40 “There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the LAST DAY!” John 12:48 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned!” John 5:28-29 Jesus is very clear and this is what the people listening to him believed. Everything happens at the LAST DAY including the catching up of the believers and condemnation of unbelievers. If you do not believe this, you have have a problem with Jesus and your reading into the other Bible texts.

[@Mattmanwow]

Revelation 20:4-5 [4]And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. [5]But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. This shows that the first resurrection of believers happens 1000 years before the second resurrection of the wicked who will take part in the second death. The text you quoted was correct but when he said last day he probably meant the last day of the great tribulation or the last day without his presence on earth. After the 1000 year millenial reign the great white throne judgement comes where the wicked that were just resurrected are condemned to the lake of fire.

[@anthonycook8703]

13:12 "Who are those who are left and who are those who are taken?", speaking of Noah's flood and Sodom & Gomorrah. Good question. Couldn't we equally conclude that it was Noah's family who were taken as the water rose and the ark started to float away, and those who were left were those who drowned in the floodwaters? And in Sodom and Gomorrah, wasn't it Lot's family, minus Lot's wife, who vacated and were saved and the other occupants of these cities were left behind and were killed? Just askin.

[@ddwalker3744]

Whats the dif? If u live for Jesus then he can have a rapture or not it wont matter

[@rocketmanshawn]

Everybody in the comments is upset about The Rapture, just wait until you hear what he thinks about the millennium! (I think he's right on both)

[@jayveebee1076]

If he's so confident in his view maybe he'll want to debate a pretrib scholar. His argument that the Rapture will be a secret reveals his ignorance on the subject.

[@kidflersh7807]

@@jayveebee1076 cooper doesn't do debates, he does discussions.

[@jayveebee1076]

@@kidflersh7807 That's good. I'd hate to see him slither away from how bad he'd be rebuked. Cooper needs to read 1Thess4 slowly before he displays any more ignorance on the subject of the reality of a Rapture.

[@kidflersh7807]

@@jayveebee1076 Unless you only read theologians from 200 years and after, literally no one believed in the rapture. Not Augustine, Not Luther, Not Aquinas, Not Calvin, etc. So why would I go against them as opposed to John Nelson Darby's made up theology.

[@jayveebee1076]

@@kidflersh7807 your ignorance of the Pre-Trib doctrine is duly noted. But you not alone. There are literally thousands just like you who believe that lie. Fortunately, ignorance isn't something that negates salvation because if it did there would be a lot of people suffering from it.

[@TzsahallThomas-x6u]

Not sure where it says secret rapture. As long as you are a wise virgin you will be OK. How do you think people in the 18oo's were to see the two witness's lying in the street of Jerusalem all across the world?

[@toddstepp5545]

The reference to the Jedi is great!

[@ergia4822]

Many of the ideas in Star War movies are derived from the bible and cannot be referenced the other way round. LOL

[@JamesMC04]

Which film does the scene he referred to happen in ?

[@icthru2344]

Good points Dr Cooper. "One is taken - one is left" Who is who? Jesus answers this question in no unspecific terms when asked by his slaves at Matthew 13:24-30. "First collect the weeds...then go collect the wheat unto my storehouse." Rapture believers have it backwards claiming that the wheat is collected first and the weeds are left. Not according to Jesus.

[@LyleCooper]

@icthru2344 Sorry, friend, but from your answer, you don't see. Paul's rapture was a mystery hidden in the Father while Jesus was alive on the earth. Did you not read that God gave Paul a special dispensation just for the Gentile church of today? And Paul called it a mystery not known in the ages before. This dispensation was inserted into the Jewish time-line, as a parenthesis. It MUST end before the 70th week will wrap up the Jewish age. Therefore, none of this was known until it was revealed to Paul.

[@haroldhart2688]

RAPTURE PROOFS = DANIEL 8 -12 , 1ST CORINTHIANS 15,, MARK 4:11, ROMANS 16:25, COLOSIANS 1:27 , REV 3:810 , REV 12 DYING OUT , hahaaha BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DIE TO GET IN THE KINGDOM.

[@maskarenas]

The word 'rapture' is not found in the Bible; however, the phrase 'caught up' is mentioned. One relevant Bible verse is 1 Thessalonians 4:17 (NKJV): "Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."

[@rickhuntling7338]

Harpazo is the english Rapture translation.

[@williamredfield6006]

@@rickhuntling7338 "Rapture" is the English transliteration of the Latin word translated from the Greek word Harpazo ~

[@dbarr8261]

During the rapture Jesus does not come to the earth. We meet him in the air.

[@DianeNichols-u1b]

There is no rapture when Jesus returns He mission continues He will put Satan in his prison then the 1000 year millennium begins

[@DianeNichols-u1b]

Say the lord's prayer our Father which art in heaven hallow be thy name thy kingdom come thy will be done on EARTH, Jesus will build His kingdom right here on the earth.

[@DianeNichols-u1b]

The flood mentioned is not water it is the flood of lies from Satan

[@jeanclaude7018]

​@@DianeNichols-u1bAFTER the 1000 years. First, we go UP to be with Jesus at the last trump, 1 Thessalonians 4.26, 17. We go TO the Father's house, where Jesus went to build mansions for us, per John 14. The earth is destroyed at the second coming, per Jeremiah 4. AFTER the thousand years, Revelation 20. Jesus brings us back to earth in the holy city, fire destroys the wicked in the second resurrection, and God restores the earth as the final hone of the redeemed.

[@thetower8553]

Read Matthew 24:30-31 plainly and tell me whether or not this is referencing 1 Thess. 4:16-17.

[@paulamorgan5456]

If you don't believe in the rapture then you're going to not be in it you'll be in the 7 years of tribulation

[@becausehelivesministryintl6841]

Ist Thess Chapter 4 verses 16 Thursday 18. How can you deny this. Wow. Please read the Bible for what it says. Stop leading people astray.