Which Martial Art is the FASTEST?!

[@SlaughterSage]

My thumb was fast asf, Seth. All of these would clearly be far too slow to hit me.

[@Sorrowsbliss]

😂

[@shaunpearce6846]

I’m also a practitioner of thumb fu. Who’s your sensei?

[@siegfriedc2332]

I missed the pause. My phone was stood up on the table, and I was eating a bowl of cereal.

[@grim_blazer9120]

I got .1 when I paused the first time lol

[@kishorejuki5450]

@@shaunpearce6846 master thumb lee

[@elnico135]

I like how the Taekwondo guy is so chill and suddenly he goes ''AAAAHHHHH!!!'' and kicks

[@TheSin-O-Pride]

Tells a boxer to strike as soon as he hears a bell. Like a frog in a pond

[@RileyK26]

Love that the boxer was fastest even while being the only one wearing gloves 🤣

[@joel1110]

Facts 😭

[@imortalghost6760]

Imagine if he did it without the gloves💀

[@SenselessUsername]

Arms closer to the brain than legs?

[@guy229]

@@SenselessUsername You not see they measured the other punches without gloves or something pal?

[@waliveroliver5854]

​@@guy229 yeah but gloves add length to the arm. Given how fast these times are, the extra few cm added from the gloves would provide a large advantage

[@pihee]

It's incredible how you are NEVER boring 😁 The way you approach martial arts is a lesson : Always with excitement, always trying to teach us something new that we didn't knew we needed to know 😋

[@ivoryas1696]

Pierre-Edouard Tbh, yeah. This man is pretty high on my list of entertaining KZbinrs _period, much _*_less_* in regards to "just" martial arts!

[@MrSirFluffy]

Ever see that hook Ryan Garcia threw to Fortuna? It was so fast the camera barely picked it up. Video had to be slowed down tremendously to see it land. The cross being faster than the jab is actually pretty mind blowing, didn't expect it.

[@travesty-studios]

Had to slow down a slowmo

[@xanaxor88]

After years of kick/thai boxing I switched over to just boxing for 2 years. Had my first muay thai spar in years last week and I was taken back by how slow it felt. I'm no boxing counterpuncher but I was able to counter consistently in mt not to mention being able to catch kicks better than ever. I still love both sports but I 100% recommend trying different schools/techniques. Never expected boxing to improve my leg catches.

[@MWall711]

Reaction time is unique to each individual and usually lies between 0.1 and 0.2 seconds. This is the time it takes for your body to start to do something in response to a stimulus. What was really being measured in the video was how fast each technique could be completed. To get a better sense of individual reaction times you just need a ruler and a friend. Open your hand and have your friend drop a ruler starting with the 0 cm mark at the top of your hand. Catch the ruler as quickly as you can and record the distance fallen. Take the square root of the number of centimeters and then multiply that number by 0.045 to get your reaction time.

[@wyuwwwiwtw]

Looking at😄 x

[@mmhcreates]

Exactly.

[@jaxonschlutz1279]

on the test he did in the video i got 0.09😈

[@j.d.4697]

That's BS. There are bigger differences in reaction times and then the actual speed of performing a motion is also completely individual.

[@ShadowMonarchGod]

I got 0.08

[@MikeClowder]

My thumb was fast as hell on the remote because my wife and I watch these together on the TV. Whether you like it or not, you've spent more time on our TV over the past couple of years than most movie stars.

[@victorribeiro2431]

I think the most "scientific" and honest way of doing this was to bring an Avarage Joe/Lay person to do kick and punching to be the "baseline". Other than that, you rock Seth.

[@bucko3353]

Not really since the average Joe hasn't gone under the specific training of each martial art and would render the whole video useless. A better way to test would simply be to gather a larger number of participants from each martial art. This could also produce some interesting results such as how much the participants of a martial art differ from one another compared to participants of other martial arts.

[@MehrdadParthian]

@@bucko3353 exactly !

[@johndough8115]

What does that prove? That lower tier artists, are slower / worse ? If you wanted to test a humans "Quick Draw" potentials... would you choose a "Noob" ? A casual "Amateur".. OR.. would you choose the "Masterclass" level, World record holder? Now... if you are comparing quick draw methods... You would again, want to compare the very top ELITE, against each other... to see which methods were the fastest and most reliable. There is a man that can pull his gun out, shoot two different targets SPOT-ON, and put his gun back in the holster, in less than a second worth of time. In fact, hes so fast, that they needed to use a high speed camera, to realize that he actually fired the gun twice... as it was so fast, that you couldnt hear, nor see it... let alone, believe it possible. Even crazier, is that he does this reliably, on small targets, from the HIP (no visual-sight aiming). Benny the Jet, a famous kickboxer, has a jumping spinning back-kick, thats fast as most peoples jabs. Hes used it to TKO many different fighters, in competitions. His results, make these results, look like a joke. Only thing about Benny, is that... while he is both lightning fast, and very powerful... his reliable accuracy has issues. Some of his techs are flawless... some are missed. Some hit with TKO level forces.. and some do not. This is something he could fix.. but has never pushed himself to that level of Mastery. But the main point is... that most of this is down to the practitioners level of Mastery. And that if you really want to compare which techs are the fastest (and or, most powerful)... then you really need to have Masterclass level artists, performing these kinds of tests. The problem with that is... that there are so few Masterclass level practitioners out there, in this modern day and time. Way too many lazy people, today. Furthermore, you would want a good sample of artists per art. Not just a Single artists per art. In that way, you would could get a general Average between 2 to 3 different artists from the same art.. to gauge the differences between them, and the arts techs, themselves.

[@JohnnyBit]

This would not add to "which martial art is the fastest" but could be base for another video: how average joe compares to martial artists. This video gets us number for martial artists :)

[@lyfe_of_lai]

The most scientific way to do this would be to get highly trained martial artists in each respective discipline who are about the same height, weight, & bodyfat percentage.

[@rollinball9581]

Seth please test palm strikes! I'd love to see a comparison of bare hands, wraps only, and gloves!

[@karshlusitamin1691]

For the round house kick, i think the stance plays a huge role... For instance taekwondo and karate are basically a side stance while Muay Thai is a very forward facing orthodox stance.....

[@stouterik]

well the kick from taekwando looked goofy as shit

[@seansnyder2855]

Seth, you are a huge part of my routine entertainment. Definitely a movie star in my books.

[@greencondoresq]

Not at ALL boring. I'm a boxer and I find this fascinating. There's gotta be a way to correlate speed to power x amount of strikes to come up with a value for the amount of power can be thrown w/in a certain period of time (say, 3 or 5 seconds) to figure out what is the most "damaging" striking martial art. E.g., is TKD's two sidekicks w/in 3 seconds worth the 5-6 combo a boxer can throw in that amount of time from a power/speed perspective>? Please keep the great content coming!

[@patanjalilemonsquashimmortal]

I think the cross is so fast for two reasons, First that the body is loaded up to throw a cross very fast and strong in boxing stance, second that the cross is a reactive strike. Lets say you would throw 50 jabs in a certain amount of time in a fight, maybe 20 of those would be thrown with the intention of dealing real damage as a reaction to finding an opening. Most of the crosses are thrown as a hard strike to do damage, more importantly, the cross is being trained to capitalize on that split second opportunities so the reactive speed is fast.

[@nathankirk1545]

I'm excited to see more from this series! I'd be curious about the connections between power, speed (mph), mass, and reaction time. Like x kick was 1% faster reaction then kick y (both from the same range), but Y had 10% more power. When you raise speed but lower bodyweight behind it to get faster, and the power trade off it gives and vice versa. It'd need to be more apples to apples though lead leg round vs lead leg round from same practitioner. I feel like I could ask like 8 questions 🙋 about this but will stop here 😅 - thanks again for such quality content

[@jamesstewart6219]

Well power is energy/time, but the time here wouldn't be reaction time but the time it takes to reach the target assuming a constant speed (which may not be accurate but we'll just approximate for demonstration purposes). The energy in question here would be kinetic energy, so E=1/2*m*v^2 where m is mass and v is the speed of the technique, so speed would have a lot more contribution to power than mass. Putting it together would give P=(m*v^2)/(2*t)

[@MehrdadParthian]

the weight classes would have alot to do with these comparisons, and as you mentioned yourself, you being heavy probably made your sidekick slower than that taekwondo master, simply because weight plays a big part in both power and speed, specially speed. but then again, having one person do all of this might mean that, that person probably does not have the training and the instincts of somebody who trained in each of those martial arts for years and would probably do them a disservice. i love to see each martial art throwing their fastest, lets say 5 strike combo and see which one can inflict the most damage in the fastest time. i guess it would be a cool idea for a future video.

[@finnmiles7311]

MT roundhouse are fairly quick but I feel like the size of the practioners, Way you were holding the pad, the stances they were firing from and the fact the MT guy was altering his technique more for the test are what made it faster than the tkd roundhouse kick here, which imo is speedier in practice.

[@stouterik]

tkd kick was goofy as shit and doesnt work

[@odecx1325]

Hey seth thats cool, i was thinking perhaps you couldve gotten each persons baseline reaction speed first? The techniques might be faster but the user has a lower reaction speed...its pretty important since some people react 0.1s faster than others. Plus not every hour of every day are we performing our best reaction speed. So testing each reaction time first wouldve been a good idea. Great video

[@august4476]

Good idea 👍

[@_Pauper_]

I love your approach to testing it’s like you actually know how tests go✊✊✊ I love that

[@julianbrochu4147]

Great video. An element of speed that is harder to test for is when a telegraph starts. Something can be effectively much faster if most of the movement is hidden. I wonder how this could be demonstrated and compared.

[@daneswan384]

Great video. Pretty curious how Sumo strikes would stack up for speed as well.

[@MehrdadParthian]

lmfao

[@TheMdub27]

Karate and taekwondo eliminate the step in when throwing the back leg round house, due to the wide bladed stance. At far range that cuts off a ton of time and telegraph. And you don’t have to kick from bladed stance it’s an option.

[@GOBRAGH2]

This was interesting. Keep making these kinds of videos!

[@jeremybooth6720]

Great vid!

[@blaxican]

Dude! That last punch you threw toward the very, very end of the video surprised me so much, I reacted with a hiccup. You're right. I didn't see that coming.

[@ivoryas1696]

Honestly, I love numbers about as much as (maybe even more than) I do fitness and martial arts, but even ignoring that, these vids are just _really_ cool. Get's me fired up about the biomechanical implications of martial arts, speed and power training, and a bunch of things I can only describe as under the folder of "Becoming Batman/Peak human". Honestly, can't help but feel you about nail these videos, and I hope these comments let you know that. ✌🏾

[@BakeMyDay-g9u]

The fastest martial art in my Opinion has to Be Taekwondo or Karate

[@javiercross9469]

Hope you enjoyed your time in Australia, mate. It was a bit surreal to see you at the Museum of Sydney, but I hope you had a wonderful trip!

[@kawabalik5080]

Dude your videos got so good e.g at 2:20 with the list. Really good habibi keep it up!

[@ianmpena]

Hey Seth can you create a new comparison video about different types of kickboxing like Muay Thai and American kickboxing and dutch kickboxing and sanda and also can you create a video about Muay boran and animal style kung fu

[@columodonnell9202]

Karate is mostly a kickboxing style too

[@TheElbowMerchant]

A KZbinr that posts polls on their community page that actually preface a video? Nice! Let's see if my vote was correct.

[@kewnst]

love the video .. would love to see more data from more people of these arts. you can then draw a general base line. 1 per style can be huge outliers. id suggest 10+ per style 100+ is more optimal. but no ones got time for that lol.

[@ramengurung9913]

4:37 you can actually tornado kick without that first step in the beginning, so the time to do a tornado kick can be even quicker than 1.29 seconds

[@anwaaraslam723]

You should test the difference In times for boxing gloves on and off.

[@johnny2hats329]

Good idea yeah, or even 10oz vs 16oz gloves would be interesting

[@roycruz5841]

Great video Seth I will love to see this same video with different weight division.

[@johnelliott9823]

Interesting exercise, though it was IMO measuring the delivery efficiency of the techniques, really. You'd need to isolate the execution time from the time to initiate the move to get the reaction time. As I got older, I found simply relying on faster hands wasn't enough with younger people. But what you can use to make up for that is knowing what to be ready for, given the distance, relative position and stance of the opponent, looking for the tells before a technique is launched, like weight shifting, and keeping your limbs close so they don't have to travel far to shield.

[@quackerdoodle2274]

Another thing that was interesting is the boxer is punching with gloves on in comparison to everybody else who is not. His speed was still way faster I can imagine how fast it’d be if he had no gloves on while doing the drill

[@Wilbafarce]

I had already paused before you said pause..... Unstoppable!

[@jamesharwood8364]

Love the videos, man and these concepts are awesome.these are all things I really was interested in on how fast certain Techniques and I feel like you fucking nailed it

[@kilo3989]

"I'm not a movie star, watch me on an iPhone!" 😂

[@EternalArtsTex]

First off love the video. Great job yet AGAIN! second off Coach Lucas gave some great information that a lot of people might brush past about that pull counter! Third love the thumbnail! Your Kiai face is great!

[@danielcartwright8868]

Another great video, Sensei Seth! Of course, the individual athlete is an important variable that wasn't able to be factored out here, but we don't watch this for perfect science; we watch it to see the skills of martial artists who have mastered their crafts and hear you crack cheezy jokes!

[@theheralds4619]

“Float like a butterfly sting like a bee his eyes can’t hit what his eyes can’t see”

[@Hand2HandCombat]

it be cool if you went and met a current world champion in each martial art then tested -SPEED - POWER = ALL LOCATED CORRECT BEST TECHNIQUE AND TESTED ALL MOVES - Then Ranked all moves for Speed and Power as accurate as possible because you have used the best person or one of the best in each martial art the perfect technique and correct height placement eg 6ft strike use bob weight and tie him down lol. - these are most interesting because speed and power are key to success in any Hand 2 Hand combat exchange - great vids!

[@randomdude8877]

Could you do the same test but with all the different weight classes in mind? I wonder how much slower a heavyweight fighter is compared to a bantam or flyweight. Because i have the feeling that the smaller and lighter the fighter the faster they get right?

[@vanoscrap6296]

for anyone willing to try this at home, you can use an IPSC shooting timer app on your phone, gives you a random beep then records 'loud' sounds. Works a treat.

[@KarateTVtraditional]

As usual good content

[@davidthomas5261]

When looking at this - you need to separate reaction time and movement time - reaction time is the time from stimulus to initiating movement and movement time is the from initial movement to hitting the target. Reaction time is pretty consistent on simple stimulus and training will help movement time especially for more complex activities. Plus genetics have a big influence ( fast twitch vs slow twitch ) so you are not comparing martial arts here but training ( muscle development and cognitive reinforcement, complexity of task and baseline genetics).

[@LegendCampbell]

Dude when you close your eyes to time something it's amazingly accurate!

[@TheVenerableMr.T]

Welp, .13 for me on your little test. I figure that's decent. This video was super cool to watch. It's really interesting how despite boxing having the quickest strikes, it isn't the only martial art out there. If you follow survival of the fittest, you would presume only boxing would survive, but this goes to show that speed is not the only thing to look for in a martial art. Awesome video!

[@josefernandes7441]

0.05 my timer

[@silversoul21000]

my index paused (watching from computer here !!! )

[@BauKim]

Would love to see five different people throw all of these individually. Just to see how much more they are used to their own method and to see how universally fast some techniques are

[@vitorhugomeireles8821]

This video was amazing! Thank you for the information 💯✅

[@esc_cHeLAs]

This is the fastest martial art of all times

[@csikoskrisztina7247]

I think, it's also a reaction time. Some can have a fast kick, but a slow reaction time. So you can't really say, the one sport has a faster kick than an other. For example in my experience is that in Kickbox is the roundhous kick slower than in taekwondo. So I think you should do one video, where you use a speed gun to measure the speed of the kick. For example once in training, we did a small challenge. We did roundhouse kick with front leg for one minute. My nephew did the most 127 kick in one minute.

[@gw1357]

One of those Fight Science shows did some stuff like this back in the 2000s and they compared a finger jab from Snake style kung fu with an actual rattlesnake strike and the human was faster. Point being, this video needed a guest appearance by Kevin Lee.

[@Jpowers_wrx]

would be interesting to see a similar video with weapon based arts.

[@PuBearsticks]

It would be really cool to somehow apply this to footwork and see which styles have the best ability to close distance, get out of range, or create an angle. Just a thought

[@aaronb3600]

would love to see a video on the viability of using pressure points in a fight

[@MrSirFluffy]

Not very viable, if you are so skilled that you can hit tiny point during a fight than pressure points is useless anyways as you can just hit them since you are so skilled and accurate. So basically you have to have the skill to actually land strikes, but than try to land on tiny points that would be slightly different on any body. Heck, even boxers who train for accuracy find it difficult to land a liver shot which is a decent size target. Pressure points are likely not even a real thing, and will only ever be cool in animes or movies.

[@aaronb3600]

@@MrSirFluffypressure points every much a real thing. would they no be useful in grappling situations?

[@MrSirFluffy]

@@aaronb3600 In grappling your limbs are used for controlling your opponents limbs and body. If you use a free arm to attempt pressure points, than your opponent gains a major advatage as now you have one less limb in the exchange and you can be submitted pretty quickly. If you are a great enough wrestler that you would have a free arm while grappling, than chances are you don't need pressure points as your wrestling would be god tier. The time vs reward for training pressure points is not high enough. Your time would be better spend learning a different martial arts. That said, grappling in general is as close as you can get to pressure point fighting. However, instead of pushing special spots you are pressuring the bones in a way that can break them through brute force.

[@1986beasty]

Nice vid, still don't know why David doesn't have his own channel yet. He'd get a shit ton of subscribers.

[@schwindsichtigaderechte5293]

I love that video, it's interesting, fun and it's obvious you put some effort into the comparison! But I have some questions about this video for the sake of comparability (Is that a word? Not a native speaker!): 1.) Are all the people you used in the same weight class? (And were they for the power-video?) 2.) Are they at a similar age? Speed goes away much faster than power, 5-10 years can make a lot of difference. 3.) Are all the peope at a similar level of expertise in their respective martial art? (I'd think you'd make sure they are, but I'd like to know for sure.) 4.) Does speed only refer to "elapsed time from impulse to executed technique" here? If so, I have some follow up questions: 5.) Who had the fastest reaction time from being in a stance or doing footsies to going into their technique? 6.) Which technique/martial art had the highest mph? Would love to see these answered if that's possible! Keep up the good work!

[@domhayad]

Can we all agree that this entirely depends on the reaction time of the athlete rather then the martial art itself

[@jagger_claw]

@domhayad Do you by any chance know what reaction lag time is?🤔

[@frankyjkd]

Awesome vid, i didn't know that the cube could do reaction time. Now i definitely need that equipment ❤

[@ryandoyle4344]

Very interesting! Perhaps, a Speed vs Power: retest with time for knockout shot; compare force against speed. Assuming that you have the force data from this test.

[@evanscott9473]

Before watching, I'm going to go out on a limb and say boxing. Hello from Wilmington, NC.

[@zippo_muk9254]

*McGregor spinning back kick was 0.6 seconds.* His jab was 0.3 seconds if I remember correctly, and his SBK was almost double the power of his jab.

[@user-nx1pe2cs1t]

I love your videos !!!

[@Shivana246]

I love these stats videos. so cool

[@tomnaughadie]

The speed is why Bruce Lee liked the side kick so much. Also it looks super cool.

[@pankard8480]

I don't want speed but I love power❤

[@tomnaughadie]

@@pankard8480 Speed and strength will both increase power. It's worth it to increase both as much as practicable, but obviously one can generally gain more strength than speed.

[@Mario.1997]

Honestly my favorite part of this video was his excitement at getting .88 with his eyes closed.

[@tomnaughadie]

"...pushing with the biceps..." Excuse me?

[@eagleflight2627]

I like where this is going. Could you maybe find a way to measure dodges and blocks and compare in some way, like when the punch starts, when it's already on the way and such. How early do you need to start the evasive motion to be succesful? Just throwing ideas out there, great video as always.

[@etrephesm]

.10 for the "pause" thumb reaction test. Saw your facial expression change before you spoke

[@02337755]

In Boxing it's the Speed that kills.

[@ryanliu494]

i used to watch your virtual sparring video on my tv haha but no my thumb was conveniently on the pause button

[@dumplingduppy1502]

I loved it. It's an interesting experiment but there is more u would have to do to have and actual good conclusion. Question how the the boxers punches stack against the kicks

[@thunder2434]

Not boring at all, this could be your best video in fact. If anyone didn't know it before, don't mess with a boxer -they'll mess you up. But we can learn a lot from them. As he says it's not just start/stop of firing off a punch that goes into it being fast but a lot of things, shifting weight, momentum what you do with your feet and legs, your core, what the opponent does. The kind of technique segment isolation and analysis that is part of the culture of boxing could perhaps be adapted and used for the other arts as well? I had an idea of you testing pro gamers reaction time somehow and maybe there are some gamers that are also martial artists where this all intersects. Are they even faster? Are they similarly fast to a boxer even with less training or are they just fast at pushing a button? Paintball is also another fast reaction time sport to look for this in. So is Fencing. There are also all these competitive gun people who are really fast.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

Watching on PC so it was more a knife-hand to the space bar, 0.11 seconds. I wish my gym had a power cube though, it would be really cool to see how my "average guy" speed and power compares to full time martial artists.

[@trexgson1594]

Ok so how the first fella was yelling after he hit made me feel like he hurt him self. Hahahah

[@knightveg]

when you said pause I was waiting for something to happen

[@marktaylor5115]

i paused 10 times. 5 with eyes open, 5 with eyes closed. my times were consistently doubled with my eyes closed.

[@jesonchen8556]

Hey Seth, it's a very interesting video. I clearly see this is a better way to compare each discipline than a actual fight. However, it's the time a strike hit that you measured, yet it's not the speed that was recored. It might be even more interesting to meausure actual speed, i.e. in mph of each hit, to give a objective ruling in my opinion. Any way, thx for the theoretic martial arts video!😀

[@Voxites]

Man’s whole life flashed before his eyes when he got 88 seconds

[@TorrrIII12]

You should include Krav Maga

[@ism822]

Goddamn it Seth your too damn likeable, let me buy you a beer in Melbourne when you're here

[@dynamictkd2474]

Great video, Seth!

[@robinj6997]

Fun test, and healthy approach. Kinda like fight science. You forgot some kicks; the pre-chambered kicks (roundhouse, hook and sidekick)

[@shozthegreatandpowerful2475]

Seth I use the KZbin for Xbox app, so I mainly watch you on TV. I hate to break it to you, but…you’re a movie star.

[@me82sjm]

I litteraly came in on my phone to comment that I was watching on the xbox instead of a phone 😂

[@tenguken847]

This is really, "What human, has the fastest reaction timing"...just like who gets the first shot off first, using a shot timer...still a fun video

[@richardseaton1570]

As a dude who's seen both, moving from Karate to Boxing was a big thing for how I fought. Suddenly all your structured blocks don't really work, because you're fighting like a tweaker with pillows superglued to his hands. So in the time you've blocked him he's thrown a right cross into your face. You don't have a high enough guard because since you've only done bare knuckles, you're used to a far more pugilist, body blow kind of sparring. I could parry straights. Fencing has boxing beat in that regard. But a dude caught me with a single hook and downed me so bad I questioned my entire training history.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

I got 10 miliseconds on your game but imma be honest, the first one: not expecting it I was like whole second slower, it took some processing brain power. 1 second in reaction time is legit too much. Thats what being off guard is like.

[@riverleesworld]

Not tryna diss what you've done sensei. I think you could have also included a wider data set of people. Also taking into account for weight, age, gender, and experience level as well. I think you would be able to have more concrete data on the generally fastest martial art. I think it'd be really cool by just starting out with the four gyms (yours, TKD's, Muy Thai's, and boxing's) and then reaching out to other gyms too. As an environmental studies major, experimentation and recording results is what I'm all about, and I think it would really benefit this study to see more people in the mix. Just some food for thought. Thank you for reading this! River

[@HB-gj7gd]

Gender? Good luck

[@ramengurung9913]

@@HB-gj7gd ??

[@H3llr4z0r]

Really caught off guard by that TKD master's scream

[@GreyfauxxGaming]

I think would be better to also do this test with just a visual queue, as normally your not reacting to a noise(Tho there are def instances) in a fight your mostly reacting to movement. So a light or something I think would do the job better. You could also throw in a variable round with a Red light hit, Blue light fake. To see how that impacts people.

[@Boubrowse]

I got .13sec and I had to press once to show the pause and another time to click it, everyone must compare

[@AeolethNionian]

11:29 Nice rear jab you got there

[@KarateDrSanDiego]

I love your channel and the research you do. Hope you don't mind that I mentioned you in my last video (just mentioned)

[@thedragonlady6661]

Whatever they do in DBZ

[@juicicles5881]

Yes, you are a Movie Star, Seth. You look badass on my 4K. TKD is really deal with-able. You just get closer than their really long range. Don't move straight forward. Act like you are going. That's how to mitigate the jumping and spinning. You can even catch them with practice. But don't if they're good. Then do the karate thing and make them come to you, just make sure to stay back Way further than you normally would. Also- punch their face and know that their punches aren't near as good as the kicks. Like, you want to make a TKD person want to box with you

[@ErinJWade]

This is the challenge that TKD faces as it has transitioned more to a combat sport rather than a pure martial art. So if you are dealing with someone who only knows their TKD from that perspective, your are absolutely right. But there are a lot of other strikes - jabs, backfists, Ridge hands, elbow strikes, etc - in the forms. Someone who has done a more rounded TKD training will have tools to stand and box with you as well (tho, admittedly, they will have less sparring practice with those tools).

[@juicicles5881]

@@ErinJWade I did WTF, my brother. Yeah, there is punching in the forms. However, the plan of using them is not that great. Back-fists are fun, they look cool and they hit pretty hard. Not next to hooks and uppercuts. I learned how to be fast from TKD more than karate and muay thai. Always had a mental right hand- and I put my strong side first once I started jiu jitsu and wrestling. Helps me get it there faster. For punches. You don't really throw jabs hard. I throw a couple normal to see how they react. Then pop. A jab that hurts because it's meant to. All the full contact opponents i fought freaked out when they felt it. Sorry!