FIGHT SCENE AUTOPSY Star Wars, Obi-wan Kenobi

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The most pedantic overly detailed analysis of movie fight scenes on KZbin is back! Fight Scene Autopsy, where I review fight scenes for how realistic they are in respect to historical combat! In this episode we're analysing the main lightsabre fight scenes from Star Wars Obi-wan Kenobi
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[@tlsgrz6194]

55:09 Technically, only one of them is a master. The other has a seat on the council but was not granted the rank of master, even if it‘s outrageous and unfair

[@sojtus8681]

Sure. Though pretty sure the master here refered to swordsmenship, not order rank.

[@ultraniter691]

Then he was told to take a seat, and proceeded to talk about the droid attack on the wookiees

[@Kyle_Riel]

Its sich a shame shad puts himself in the vudeo now the audio is poorer quality, theres no editing, so going through the fight scene is poorer quality. Its actually made me unsub. Shad, go back to just voice over!!!! Such a great series, ruined.

[@josh.8104]

People not getting the RotS reference lmao

[@ajace5883]

Well he is a Sith lord, which is equivalent to a Jedi master.

[@tobysheridan2607]

I would love to see a fight autopsy for a clone wars fight (like maul vs pre visla). It would be interesting to see if an animated show can be more accurate than fights with live actors.

[@MlecznyHuxel9999]

This comment made me realise how good something like that would be

[@guamsoncruz5107]

I SECOND THIS MOTION!

[@Caedus696]

Or the Maul vs Ashoka fight since it was mo capped.

[@LayLowOfficial]

I third this.

[@Jaeler9]

I was just wondering if we want to put Shad’s blood pressure through it… then I remembered how entertaining it would be and probably cathartic for him to yell at them… Motion seconded. Or have we had enough seconding? Motion unanimously passed, maybe?

[@julianriviera5837]

I would love to see Shad go through the 7 forms of lightsaber combat and the variations. Wanna know his opinion on them.

[@Ramsey276one]

Same

[@gelfrog93]

I would also love to see this!!

[@__JaJa__]

There is an eighth form, Trakata.

[@goldenapplesaga5446]

I've wanted this for a very long time

[@zachplaysallday-zpad5731]

@@__JaJa__ that’s not really a form. It’s just a technique that can be integrated into any of the forms

[@nxjksj]

I've waited for your fight autopsy since the show started! Your autopsy on the Mustafar one was so epic, can't wait to watch this one too!

[@braydoxastora5584]

He's done coverage of each episode on his other channel Knights watch

[@nxjksj]

@@braydoxastora5584 Sorry, I meant fight autopsy lol, but thanks for telling me

[@blyatwastaken9377]

Same

[@victorcharles27]

The phantom menace next plz😊😁

[@nxjksj]

Oof, halfway into this I feel your frustration seeping in from the story but not from the fights themselves. I'd argue the RotS had more egregious errors than the fights here but I think you're angrier at the story but not at the choreography, Star Wars always had bad spinning but you were never this criticial-ish. A good watch nonetheless

[@NicholasTan092]

The funny thing about the spinning sabers having that huge hole in the middle, that was exactly how Kanan Jarrus from Star Wars Rebels defeated the Grand Inquisitor. While the inquisitor was just spinning the saber, Kanan stuck 2 lightsabers into that gap and sliced the hilt.

[@zzodysseuszz]

At least characters exploited the stupid design

[@KaaneDragonShinobi]

Part of me wonders if they were mandated to have that dumb spinning saber by the Emperor. By consciously making the design stupider while giving the illusion that it's more useful, Inquisitors can be struck down if they become insubordinate relatively easily by Vader or Palps. But I think that's reaching and the people behind the scenes thought it'd look cool.

[@tyvamakes5226]

@@KaaneDragonShinobi Most likely as a "spinning shield" against blasters. Since they'll be fighting mostly gunslingers, encounter with a near-extinct group like the Jedi would be possible but rare.

[@NicholasTan092]

@@tyvamakes5226 problem is there’s still that hole in the middle effectively creating a “bullseye” for shooter to aim at.

[@NicholasTan092]

@@suntzu9076 sure but why even have that issue in the first place? Just having a handheld shield would do better.

[@TinyGobos]

One thing about turning on and off light sabers during fights. It's an legit existing technique in star wars canon but is looked down upon by both Sith and Jedi. Sith consider it cowardly and weak to use tricks like that against their enemies, and Jedi forbid it because they consider it to brutal. It's easy to forget that Jedi don't really wanna kill anyone (most of the time)

[@SkintSNIPER262]

That sounds dumb. Why would the Sith care? How is it "brutal"?

[@Rov-Nihil]

@@SkintSNIPER262 maybe bc there is too much risk of the saber going where it shouldn't be going? i don't think you can disarm a foe by doing that without accidentally stabbing them to death.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@Rov-Nihil If you're battling a Sith the whole aim is to defeat them. Usually that involves killing them. Is this from Disney Wars canon or the EU?

[@tarrisfairbroke6899]

I personally wouldn't want to be using that trick because of how easily it could go wrong, and unless Disney has retconned this, I am fairly certain well-trained Jedi and Sith are on some level precognitive. So, they likely would see it coming.

[@jamesrosengrant8675]

@@SkintSNIPER262 that's from the movie even. Anakin disarms dooku and only kills him when Palpatine convinces him. And then when windu tried to kill Palpatine anakin says its against the jedi way. In general the jedi are not supposed to kill people and only do when forced to, or during unique circumstances where the jedi are in war and need to to defend the republic

[@AdamNRose]

Shad this is the best sword fight set up. I love the video being played while you being in front of the screen. This is a great formula. Great job... My 👍 to whoever thought of this.

[@purin6792]

35:50 This has always bugged me in fiction. When a character makes a sneak attack and yells something at them. It never works, probably because they YELLED. I mostly see it in anime, but it’s in a lot of media. It’s especially annoying when they yell something like “Take this!” at the target and they are shocked it didn’t work, YOU YELLED TAKE THIS AT THEM OF COURSE IT FAILED!!!!!

[@MrProthall]

I always try to frame it like "They only yelled because they were sure it was impossible to react in time AT THAT SECOND, and then they are surprised how fast they were". Only reasonable explanation. Or you know.. bad writing

[@christiandauz3742]

It's only fine if the sneak attack succeeds

[@eugeliceistruecanon1678]

@Kurowa there was a similar scene in Avatar: The Last Airbender too

[@TheGamingplayer12]

@@eugeliceistruecanon1678 Fire Force had a scene like that too

[@TheSimpleMan454]

From The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly: "When it's time for you to kill a man. You don't talk, you shoot.

[@vortexflash4944]

Quick note on your quarrel with the Jedi code shad: compassion is definitely good in the Jedi code, meaning the Jedi strive for unconditional love for all living beings. It’s the possessive love that is a bad thing, because the Jedi need to able to put the greater good over their own wants and desires. So Obi-Wan’s motivation in this scene shouldn’t be that he has a deep emotional connection to the twins, it SHOULD be that if he fails to stop Vader, the twins could die and the galaxy may be doomed. It’s his job as a Jedi Knight to destroy the Sith. That is all the motivation he needs. Obi-Wan’s power as a Jedi is strengthened through calming of the mind, letting go of his fear and allowing the force to flow through him as an ally, instead of as a tool.

[@heldelance]

Evil triumphs because Good is dumb.

[@Nurk0m0rath]

@@heldelance Aww man, I hate it when my shwartz gets twisted!

[@dr.slaughterstein1879]

From what the scene showed all i had to assume is that Obi-wan actualy, legitemately tapped into the darkside for a moment

[@bobdole1826]

The jedi philosophy was wrong and it's been proven time and time again in starwars Canon, They were wrong in their failings with Darth Revan and they were wrong in their failings with Vader, Over 1000 years if dogmatic ignorance lead to their greatest failures as an institute.. Even when Luke is trained Yoda remains stuck in his ways and Luke wins against vader despite not having his full training because Luke believed in his friends and the light in his father, in the old Canon when Luke started his academy he allowed his students to form connections and even use the "dark side" abilities he just didn't want them to become consumed by the darkness.. also in every scene where a sith lord is defeated in the movies, (idk about the new 3) The jedi gives in to emotion and their connections to their loved ones, Obi Wan beats Maul when he steps it up after qui gons death, Luke bests vader when vader threatens his sister, Anakin bests Dooku when both of his mentors are in danger, Ironically Yoda the jedi with the emotional range of a slug was unable to defend his temple and defeat Palpatine.. In knights of the old republic 1 and 2 the jedi code is questioned and there are countless examples of how what they believed was not the right thing, their abstinence from war let the mandolorians pillage the galaxy in failing to react they lost their best students when Darth Revan abandoned the order to stop the mandolorians, this failure would be echoed 1000 years later with their ignorance of the dark side of the force would leave them blind to the threat right under their noses, had they not tried to neuter their students emotionally and instead encouraged and guided them they might have been able to show Anakin the way, but their beliefs left him in the dark, literally.

[@auo2365]

The frame by frame breakdowns of the sequel era stuff really makes me appreciate just how amazing the prequel era is

[@reek4062]

the prequels still suck

[@Rounderyathecruel]

@@reek4062 they don’t. They have a few problems but still more brilliant writing

[@reek4062]

@@Rounderyathecruel Yes, an eight-year old blowing up a droid command ship is brilliant writing. A secret army being made on a water planet is brilliant writing, especially when it's an army of clones of a bounty hunter who was obviously hired by Dooku and tried to assassinate Padme, and the Republic and the Jedi see nothing suspicious aboot the army. Anakin turning to the Dark Side to save Padme, and then choke her, is brilliant writing.

[@Rounderyathecruel]

@@reek4062 what about anakin blowing up the ship is bad? It was set up he was a good pilot. Why is it bad that it’s on a water planet? They didn’t know Dooku ordered the army. Bounty hunters can work for many different people.

[@TankHunter678]

@@Rounderyathecruel It was setup that he was a good podracer. That said he did receive some piloting instruction on the trip to courescant and R2D2 was helping him out extensively during the Battle of Naboo. There are several moments where the fighter acts in such a way that it was clear that Anakin was not the one piloting the ship, the moments where the Droid Control ship got taken down actually. It coasted into the hanger too smoothly, the ship popped up into a hover position and brought the shields back on while Anakin was gawking at the droids, and it rotated in place to aim directly at the generators. All clear evidence that R2D2 was in control and letting Anakin go pew pew with the cannons before activating the proton torpedos to destroy the generators and fly him out.

[@tommeakin1732]

An idea for a video: "Things to aim for, and things to avoid in fight choreography", so you can put all of your core, foundational thoughts on this subject in one, well scripted, structured place. This might even be quite a good exercise for you to sit down and formalise your ideas in as nuanced a way as possible, taking into account context, realism, as well as dramatic goals in a way that presents better alternatives to bad tropes. There's probably a bunch of people in your audience who would really appreciate a single accessible resource to guide or influence their own fictional works

[@hollandhenry7517]

also, he might want to make that exact type of video for the future Disney Worshippers critique videos about Shad, saying he never has clear points and never tells his standards and what components a decent fight should have

[@MiraBoo]

I love the idea; however, fights can be so varied, even with two people dueling with the same weapon in a controlled environment, that one comprehensive video may be impossible. A video covering the basics/fundamentals as a sort of intro or brief overview to a larger choreography series could absolutely work, though. I’d definitely use it as a reference/source and watch for “edutainment.”

[@tommeakin1732]

@@MiraBoo Well this is more or less why I think it'd be an interesting exercise for him. It might be quite a challenge for him to pin down universals that run for all situations, but doing so could be quite enlightening, while also hopefully showing quite how much context matters and how there can be exceptions to "rules". It'd almost be an exercise in finding the "spirit" that he thinks all fights should have

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

Not even necessarily a mega-long feature, just a simple video of standards and context would be good. It would also let you clarify things like the way this sort of frame-by-frame breakdown is fun, but not actually a good way to plan your choreography since people don't move or see that way. Showing examples of good flourish versus bad, or where ineffective attacks make sense and when they don't.

[@williamchristy9463]

@@hollandhenry7517 It's really not fucking difficult. Make something that actually *looks* like two people fighting. Anyone whose ever *seen* good fighting choreography can *tell* you the difference. It's genuinely night and day. Do things from binds, or don't bind. Throw strikes that'd actually hit, if they weren't blocked. Employ logical technique-and-trick ways to move the dramatic arc of your fight, rather than bullshit. Employ camera angles that'll actually let you *see* what the actors are doing. Take into account character skill level-- if they're professional, employ techniques from the martial arts they're supposed to know. If not, have them look like they have less an idea what they're doing-- swing wider, and the like. Basically-- watch anything from the channel scenic fights, and then watch one of Shad's negative fight scene autopsies-- anything from the new trilogy will work. Bad choreography exists because people who don't know what fighting looks like try to make actors who can't fight, look like they're fighting. Every time, they fail. Sometimes, they *know* they've failed, and try to cover it up. It almost never exists for narrative reasons-- though, admittedly, there are some *moments* that can be crappy for narrative reasons.

[@jmurray1110]

Knowing vaders style I wouldn’t be surprised if he did occasionally aim for the blade in order to get the opponent to block and try to overpower them in a bind Vader really uses his raw power, even as anakin, to knock them off balance and just generally overwhelm them and tire them quickly

[@jasenjacobs1365]

I mean when you've got a robot arm with hydraulic strength you might as well use it.

[@TheRealGeorgeGibson]

Well I find it funny that in the final fight Kenobi was pushing back Vader and stumbling him. Star Wars is so incredibly inconsistent with its power tiers of characters and there traits it’s almost like a kid jumping from game to game.

[@Nurk0m0rath]

@@TheRealGeorgeGibson Or like ash in the pokemon series? Every season sees him go from level 5 to level 100 for the final fight, and then when the new season begins, he's back to equal footing with starting trainers in the next region.

[@TheR3alCTS]

@@TheRealGeorgeGibson, in Star-wars power is not a limitless pool. I’ll put it in simple terms. The universe is made up of force particles call medichlorians. These are what determine your ability to will the force to aid or hinder someone. Obi-wan using the force to strengthen his attacks could definitely stagger Vader. Especially when you take into account that Vader ”Anakin”

[@TheR3alCTS]

Is arrogant. He will always underestimate his opponent. So a large shift in power behind Obi-wan’s attacks would take him by surprise since Obi-wan is know for being a defensive type in combat.

[@curtisbrummitt5470]

39:25 That's actually how the Grand Inquisitor got killed in Rebels. He held his spinning lightsaber in front of him, and the Jedi he was fighting just stuck his lightsaber into the circle and cut it in half.

[@notyourbusiness5530]

God, I hate those lightsabers.

[@ctrlaltdebug]

Were those spinning lightsabers another Dave Filoney creation?

[@zombiezes]

the spinning part of the inquisitors lightsabers really make no sense because they’re pointless lmao. you can’t really pull a general grievous when your only blades are connected to each other 💀

[@zombiezes]

the spinning part of the inquisitors lightsabers really make no sense because they’re pointless lmao. you can’t really pull a general grievous when your only blades are connected to each other 💀

[@NoBody-lj5xh]

Yeah, but people like to pretend the entire point is not that it's a dumb intimidation tactic thought up by Vader to help the Inqs be effective because Palps specifically told him to make The Inquisitors useless against people like the two sith lords, ie people with real expirience in lightsaber combat, because making fun of it lets them "dunk on Disney" easier.

[@LEP021085]

Maybe the reasoning for the long binds and the lack of “sliding blades” in lightsaber duels is due to how they work. What if they don’t slide off each other like steel but rather they stick together like magnets with opposite charge, and it takes some force to separate them

[@SpaceDogLaika]

That is actually the canon reason, the light/plasma/magic blades when in contact stick to each other.

[@LEP021085]

@@SpaceDogLaika oh that explains a lot then

[@thegoodfather1177]

Then how does Obi-Wan slice off Grievous's hands?

[@Zenn_Chan]

@@thegoodfather1177 that would be him sliding it down. Take some magnets, click them together, then slide them up and down from eachother. It's actually easier than simply pulling them apart

[@marley7868]

@@thegoodfather1177 he broke the bind and quickly sliced instead of holding it pretty hard but he is supposed to be a master

[@OneTrueNobody]

59:04 - The overhead block-behind-the-head is also a move that Obi-Wan used previously against Darth Maul way back in Episode I, pretty much immediately after Qui-Gon's death, though it was a lot more rapidly done in that fight--block to the front, and then a block to the back when Maul swung around to hit from the other direction with the opposite blade of his staff-saber.

[@veryangryduckpl2122]

Shad: uploads a fight scene autopsy Everyone's day becomes better

[@101Mant]

Not really, I'd much rather watch him do some obscure weapon or fact of medieval life. He has some very specific preferences when it comes to fiction and pop culture and watching him yell at stuff for not doing it that way gets old after about 10 minutes. I'm sure it's popular though, negative stuff usually is and their is an audience that will love to watch anything attacking Disney Star Wars.

[@veryangryduckpl2122]

@@101Mant Almost everyone's*

[@popninja8658]

@@101Mant Everyone except mant's day*

[@PerpetualChristopher]

The "Either he dies, or I die" speech Obi Wan gives before the final fight doesn't help the leaving Vader to live and commit more evils situation, either.

[@kennyg3118]

Until Kenobi sliced Vader's helmet and saw Anakin underneath it. He just couldn't bring himself to kill his best friend and brother. One isn't always responsible for another's actions. Those you commit atrocious have to come to terms with what they do.

[@Сайтамен]

@@kennyg3118 He just said that Anakin is dead. he had the guts to dismember him last time.

[@Сайтамен]

"I will do what I must " too.

[@senzanome7302]

@@kennyg3118 that doesn’t change the fact that he left the most dangerous thing alive to commit even more atrocities only to want his son to kill him in the future

[@papershadow]

@@Сайтамен Which baffles me because it's a callback to Obi-Wan saying the same thing before their last fight, in which he had more reason to be hesitant (emotionally scrambled from Order 66 and Anakin only being recently turned) and less time to have processed the reaction. Not to mention Obi-Wan had much more solid reason to think Anakin would die if he left that fight (no limbs and burned alive is generally a fatal experience) and the argument that Padme and/or an approaching Sidious presented a need to rush out of there. Now considering all of the above, Obi-Wan is calling back to a time where he made the wrong call with much less reason to know it was a bad choice at the time, while making the same mistake here, under less extenuating circumstances, after much more time to process, with the same opponent, who has caused great harm specifically because of this decision the first time that he is now making again

[@evanlayne829]

In the books that Disney calls Legends, there are practice sabers intended to dueling, not to mention, all of the younglings use practice lightsabers that can deflect blaster fire, or leave burn marks, but are otherwise harmless. It's only once the younglings are considered old enough, or trained enough, that they are taken to get a proper lightsaber crystal (which didn't have to be Kyber crystals, but typically were) to construct a proper lightsaber. They would still use the practice sabers during duels in order to not kill each other by accident.

[@samuraijaco1]

Thing about that big gap in the spinning sabers? There’s a Jedi in Rebels (the show that they first introduced them in) that took advantage of that weakness. He stuck a pair of sabers in there and cut it into pieces.

[@reeceemms1643]

that was Kanen vs the grand inquisitor at the end of season one

[@samuraijaco1]

@@reeceemms1643 yup. Just giving the general rundown. But the real thing is, it was season 1! Almost as if they realized it was a bad design, but then double, triple, and quadrupled down on it.

[@VestedUTuber]

@@samuraijaco1 1. I'm pretty sure that's kind of the point - Most of the Inquisitors are supposed to be middling force users trained and equipped to take on others at their own tier. The Inquisitorial lightsaber has a significant weakness when used in a certain way but it meets their needs. 2. You're not forced to just let it spin constantly. It could probably be more effectively used in short bursts to pretty much cut off an angle of approach.

[@reeceemms1643]

@@samuraijaco1 well then again in season 2 the eighth brother's lightsaber does have a saw blade, which is probably the only time the spinning was practical, and not just to be flashy, but one thing I noticed with the inquisitor lightsaber, in star wars it is shown the Mandalorian's have Shields that deflect lightsaber strikes, why didn't the empire add something like that over the middle of the lightsaber, it could still spin but you can't use the hole as a weakness, that could actually be a good idea for an inquisitor character

[@nomative8915]

​@@VestedUTuber How does it meet their needs better than a regular lightsaber? It requires more resources to build then the standard saber and is less effective.

[@pdxbardan6798]

Absolutely awesome autopsy! I loved it! One very minor thing which could be improved upon: I find it sometimes hard to distinguish whether you are playing frames in reverse or if they are in the correct order. Maybe there could be something visual to show this? On the other hand that could be too much work for these kinds of videos. Either way, nice video!

[@khodexus4963]

To comment on 27:03 In legends, light saber sparring was done with modified light sabers or with the containment fields turned so high that they would effectively bounce off of solid matter, including flesh, incurring a painful zap at worst. To my knowledge, Disney canon has not confirmed or contradicted this yet, or provided any analogous explanation.

[@Dismythed]

I have to disagree about one thing. Your complaint about Obi-wan's dodging instead of slicing Vader in half at 52:10 does seem like a valid point, it even seems glaringly obvious, except that Vader is in the midst of a full spin that will complete no matter what. If Obi-wan sliced him then, Vader's upper body would still complete the spin and Obi-wan would join him in death. Remember, we're talking about lightsabers, not metal swords. We're also talking about the Force guiding one's actions. Sensing the end result, the Jedi is forced not to follow through with what would otherwise be an obvious strike with metal swords. Therefore, as painful as it is to admit, this choice not to take advantage of a seemingly obvious opportunity is actually wise, assuming he doesn't want to die or come out disfigured. Even if he swept his leg, Vader would complete the spin and his saber would go low, slicing Obi-wan in half.

[@bigguy7353]

Good point. There's a snowball's chance in hell that someone with at least mediocre cognitive ability was involved with this. Baby steps.

[@iilaunch]

another thing, at 1:00:30 lightsaber can't slide on other lightsabers, so yes vader could break the bind, but not by sliding. lightsaber hold the contact point as long as they are not separated.

[@vissenekku]

@@iilaunch I've been wondering about that. But I wasn't sure if that's ever been spelled out in canon.

[@dandyman2182]

Nah in this fight we see obi one outright over power vsders swings with pure strength even though it makes zero sense he literally just bats his swings away when the plot requires it even though kenobi is a master of defense and finesse they just gave him anime protagonist powers and had him brute strength vader

[@dandyman2182]

Plus right after he dodges he has a perfect moment to counter without dealing with the strike keep coping

[@chisompeterson6132]

1:14:45, I would like to point out that Darth Vader has a flat backpack underneath his cape to filter the air that goes into his lungs. His mask is made to take in large quantities of air in concentrated amounts, like a bi-pap machine, the filter pack ensures that Vader gets pure oxygen for his scorched lungs. The slash to his back may have affected his ability to breathe, in addition to the damaged chest panel meant for controlling his life support and performing diagnostic readouts.

[@stare4539]

Lol

[@marley7868]

@@stare4539 granted in a fight someone turned off his life support once that ended poorly for them as it pissed him off

[@goodnesswhy]

@@marley7868 Sometime after A New Hope, the guy that made his suit managed to shut it down completely. Vader then managed to increase his power of the Dark Side enough to actually move and kill him. This is from a canon comic book btw.

[@eidolon1426]

@@goodnesswhy "canon *comic book..."* Tsk. Tsk. Well, I'm glad we agree that *Rise of Skywalker* has absolutely no plotholes whatsoever then. Good work team! Whoo!

[@goodnesswhy]

@@eidolon1426 ...I never said anything about canon not having any plotholes. Pretty much most Star Wars content has plotholes, canon or not.

[@TheStonedZone]

If Obi-Wan is able to tank that rock to his ankle with a passive Force ability, maybe he should have used some of that when he tried to kick General Grevious in Revenge of the Sith.

[@tronovonflidder775]

Guess it just means Grievous is extra tough. Either that or the planet they're on has super weak rocks.

[@MalazanTheFallen]

@@tronovonflidder775 ilk take anything that makes grievous cooler

[@cantonlowlifemedia]

I just started this video and I'm super excited! As soon as I saw this scene in the show said, out loud mind you, "God I hope Shad does a fight scene autopsy on this!" I'm beyond stoked that this video got made!

[@cmpiepho]

Oh my goodness, I was watching this scene when it first came out and thinking to myself "Boy I can't wait for Shad to do a fight scene autopsy of this." Wish granted! 🤣

[@neosharkey7401]

Bro same!

[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

me too because they Vader fool his move and less thinking even I not watching the autopsy

[@adhirg]

I think the reason for the “crawl fighting” was that Reva was trying to capitalize on Vader’s blind spots in the cowl. a cool idea on paper. I kind of got the intent but it was sloppily executed and not communicated properly. the result just kind of baffles anyone who doesn’t immediately think that’s what she’s doing.

[@ctrlaltdebug]

Why crawl fight when Vader has his back turned?

[@erikbjelke4411]

Agree, that's what I was thinking. Staying low and out of the field of vision of his helmet, he did lose her, and when he found her, kind of flailed to try and drive her back to her feet and into good view.

[@Paul_Bedford]

I just chalked the poor choreography in that scene to Darth Vader having such an intimidating presence and much more experience that he was simply toying with her and she was so dumbfounded by someone actually having the skills to defeat her battling her.

[@serialkillerwhale]

Honestly I just think Reva was panic-flailing at that point, fumbles the dodge, no time to get up vader's gonna get me swing swing for your life while Vader just pretty much screws with her with the half-hearted swings and intentionally not turning around fully.

[@alasdaircook3030]

The reason the disarm Vader used against reva worked I think is because of his robotics. A kick in the shin with a robot foot plus a robot hand gripping the lightsaber and vaders above average strength and I doubt many people could keep their saber

[@lordlybrush]

A sledgehammer to the shin would make most people let go that's for sure.

[@rainbowmoon1461]

It’s mostly a problem with how they showed it. It didn’t look particularly strong, and she didn’t seem particularly affected by it. Disney missed some great moves for Vader, that would look cool, make sense, and not mess with what Vader does in later movies. Like showing that he kicking her shin destroys her leg. He could even either simply rip the lightsaber from her hand, or rip it from her while he tosses her across the room. But instead it looks like a little bonk to the shin made her let go.

[@ulfricstormcloak6675]

@@rainbowmoon1461 he also could’ve used the force to enhance it, putting more power behind it.

[@Nurk0m0rath]

@@ulfricstormcloak6675 Which would, again, destroy her leg. To make this work he would have to force push her at the same time and then why bother kicking at all?

[@Menageryl]

The force giving one strength via one’s passions is canon. Problem is, for the old Jedi Order it was largely considered to be skirting the dark-side, which is why it was never taught or was actively warned against. Probably in part because strong passions is essentially ALWAYS what energizes the Sith - primarily the darker passions like hate, etc. It was only the new Jedi Order under Luke that changed things, where the Jedi learned how to draw strength and power from their passions - primarily their POSITIVE passions like love, compassion, and so-on. It was a wellspring of power always available to all force sensitives, but one which the old Jedi were without as they strove to avoid it. So, technically, the scene doesn’t break canon (not that it would make a difference to Disney / Lucasfilm, and theirs!); but Obi probably woulda felt dirty about it, considering all he had been taught his entire life.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

As I understand it, the Jedi Order (of the prequels) had, somewhere in their long history, confused "controlling their passions" for "repressing their passions". They came to view any expression of emotion or attachment as a path to the Dark Side, and would go out of their way to stamp out volatile emotions (whether love or hate) in their Younglings (and older Jedi); this was why Anakin was "too old" to be a Jedi; the Jedi were relying on indoctrination and arguably even a sort of brainwashing to make younglings reject emotion. Anakin was too old for this kind of conditioning - being told to suppress (or let go) of his fears and emotions only aggravated him further (and made him feel guilty about having such emotions in the first place.) Notice, that while Luke does embrace his emotions (specifically in the form of his love for Leia and Anakin), he manages not to be ruled by his emotions. He is able to control his actions, and act in accordance with Jedi philosophy (peace and pacifism) despite his emotions. Unlike the past Jedi, he doesn't suppress them to the point where he feels nothing (or refuses to admit to himself that he feels something) - rather he accepts what he feels as part of him, and is able to transcend these feelings to do the right thing. I think this is what the Jedi were intending to be all along; but at some point in ages past, their philosophy got confused and twisted, mired in rigid doctrine and inflexible tradition, that they lost their way (which allowed the Sith to rise against them and form the Galactic Empire). How Disney Star Wars fits into any of this, I have no idea - I stopped caring, and don't consider any of it canon anyway.

[@Menageryl]

@@LadyDoomsinger Yes. To all of it. What I meant, just in more detail. … Most especially the last bit. 😏

[@lt3746]

@@LadyDoomsinger a very well-written breakdown. Yes, in the original EU books following the defeat of the emperor, Luke revitalizes the Jedi order to draw from positive emotions. He even changes the rule about having a family and has kids himself.

[@nananamamana3591]

This is wrong. Mace Windu quite literally invented a fighting style that was just a bootlegged version of a dark side fighting style. He has, in the EU, taught it pratically half the jedi order by the time he dies, and in the Disney Canon he's taught at least 3 people, who have gone on to teach others. Moreover, Luke's 'new jedi order' has been demonstrated to demonize passions and connections the same way as the Galatic Republic in accordance with Disney's canon -- the only canon that matters in regards to the content Disney produces. Moreover, to your last point, Obi Wan has actively used dark side manuevers in his fighting as early as Attack of the Clones, seemingly without much moral lamentations it seems.

[@Menageryl]

@@nananamamana3591 Oh no, sorry, but I was referencing actual canon, not the fanfiction Disney has been selling. I had one viewing of The Last Jedi and said goodbye to Disney. So I just enjoy everything I can from prior to the Disney era and avoid giving Disney / Lucasfilm a single cent or watch.

[@FreeReel1]

In Legends (true canon) Lightsabers had an energy setting. Younglings would train on a lower power setting (effectively a training mode) that allowed them to hit each other with only minor burns and bruises as the result. I feel that's what all the Disney lightsabers are set to nowadays with all the bouncing off things and baseball bat fighting they do now...

[@scotttrail522]

You mean *Rey's* "baseball bat fighting?"

[@TheR3alCTS]

The fact that you called legends “true canon” is the reason you don’t understand that it is mostly an artistic choice. Like Batman the intent of the weirder is sometime just to Mame or seriously injure. Plus if it is too over the top Disney would have to up the age rating. Which honestly wouldn’t be a bad thing. Seeing as in the clone wars Ashoka decapitated 4 mandalorians.

[@joshholland8564]

@@TheR3alCTS and maul cut a clone in half without a lightsaber

[@exaggeratedswaggerofablackteen]

That introduction was perfect.

[@ThePigeon5734]

There actually ARE training lightsabers. The padawans use them to practice, and they use a weaker form of kyber crystal to have a painful stunning effect as opposed to... death.

[@quietone2674]

Really? I saw the Order 66 scene yesterday and one of the kids killed a couple clones with his lightsaber before he was shot.

[@zombiezes]

@@quietone2674 well he was a padawan. not a youngling fun fact: that was actually George Lucas’ son

[@MetaFanWing]

Also, regular lightsabers have low power settings for sparring. For instance, when Kanan and Ezra were sparring in Rebels, their lightsabers had different sound effects than usual and had pale blue cores.

[@StationaryBeggar]

Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Dont give one to Alex Baldwin.

[@thegoodfather1177]

Then why aren't they hitting each other? Constantly pulling back and not striking will only cement the flaws in their fighting styles

[@Bryzerse]

Thank you so much for this video I have literally been praying for you to make one on Kenobi, as even though some of the fights have their highlights, almost everything is let down by the dumb writing that frames it, and I knew you'd be able to a get that across really well. Great job as always with one of my favourite youtube series!

[@notsogreatsword1607]

Shad you're such a credit to your faith. I recently saw a Knights Watch episode where the MENTION of an incident in which your kid was nearly exposed to pornography online had you choking up at the IDEA that your kid almost saw something like that. The sincerity and vulnerability you show is so valuable. Young men need good role models and while I am an atheist and I disagree with you on many issues - it gives me hope that you can perhaps reach some of these young men who need a an example of masculinity that is caring, intelligent, thoughtful, hardworking, and who does not look at women as sexual objects to be conquered. Many ostensibly religious men pick and choose which parts of their faith they will follow and which they will simply give lip service. Ok my gushing is done. I just felt compelled to say something about what I saw. I think you're doing a lot of good on here in ways that you may not originally have intended. A late congrats on your sleep apnea surgery- you have seemed like a new man ever since then. I guess sleep and oxygen are helpful things!

[@shadiversity]

Thanks you so much, the support really helps.

[@Astraeus..]

The one consistent "issue" that I have with basically all lightsaber fights in live-action is due to the nature of them using weapons that have weight to the blade. It can't be helped, but it tends to make it obvious that they aren't actually using lightsabers. I'd be quite interested to see your take/analysis of the lightsaber combat from the Old Republic cinematic videos. In particular, the fights involving Malgus are quite good, but the very 1st is peak I think Kao Cen Darach & Satele Shan vs Vindican & Malgus.

[@cosmoreverb3943]

Seconded. Shad would probably find the fights a little too flashy with all the spins and flourishes, but decent for the most part

[@rikacomedyletsplays2581]

Considering they didnt even bother getting the lighting right on the last fight. They cant even use needing a physical weight to get accurate cgi lighting as an excuse for their stupidity

[@lt3746]

I really like the second fight between malgus and satele on Alderaan

[@MattR8605]

@@lt3746 It does prove Shad's constant point of flippy dippy moves being useless and likely fatal since Malgus had her dead to rights due to her flashy acrobatics she tried

[@Nitro1000]

George Lucas actually said in an old interview that lightsabers are supposed to have wait to them because of how much energy they were putting out

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Anakin: "My lightsaber skills have decreased tremendously since we last met, my master." Obi Wan: "Damn, you too?"

[@sweetlifealley]

Do it Shad. More fight scene autopsies!

[@generaljimmies3429]

Palpatine: Dew it!

[@ReyesdeMadrid]

Force powers were written very inconsitently in this show. Sometime Vader can put out fires and sometimes he can't. Sometimes Reva can read minds, and sometimes she can't. Powers come and go depending on the needs of the plot.

[@chriscantrell9012]

I don't think Vader wanted to put out the fire. I think Vader saw new ways to humiliate his old master.

[@kaynesylvar8277]

Inconsistent force use has become a major problem…

[@Te0L0ser]

Another thing is Vader force blocking Reva and Obi and then doesn't

[@EmberBright2077]

@@chriscantrell9012 given that he gets mad at his subordinate for letting Obi Wan escape, I don't think so. Not to mention that it would be out of character for him anyway. I have the same problem with him using the fire the way he did in the first place. In the OT, Vader is very pragmatic and controlled, not vindictive and stupid.

[@matohibiki]

@@chriscantrell9012 He also wanted to know who the hell was pulling Kenobi's fat out of the literal fryer. Anyone ballsy or stupid enough to oppose the Empire had to have connections to other ballsy/stupid people. Might as well get them all in one go.

[@jamess7140]

I feel like in the quarry fight, Vader isn’t trying to kill Obi-Wan. He clearly wants to capture him so he can enjoy torturing him at a later date. I think there’s a lot of psychological manipulation going on as well where Vader just wants to intimidate Obi-Wan, hence why he doesn’t take the opportunities to kill him. And Obi-Wan is still holding back because he doesn’t want to kill his friend… again.

[@williamchristy9463]

Shad, the criticism of the ways of the old Jedi is literally one of the central points of the second and third original star wars films. They're wrong about emotion. It's entirely consistent.

[@KillerChickn]

Not only that, it's been made the central theme of Jedi since the start in Old Republic stuff. It's the entire reason for their split from the Je'daii into the Jedi and the Sith, and the entire reason for why the Jedi always have dark Jedi who leave the order, their adherence to no emotion and attachment always drives a wedge and causes all their problems.

[@neomcdoom]

No it isn’t

[@LadyDoomsinger]

"Through Passion we gain Strength," - The Sith Code. "There is no Emotion, only Peace," - The Jedi Code I know the games aren't really canon anymore, but those two lines always seemed to me, to emphasize the split between Jedi and Sith. Also, if you notice in the OT; while Luke does accept and embrace his passion (in the form of his love for Leia and Anakin), he isn't ruled by emotion. He controls his passion, rather than suppressing it (as the old Jedi did), and perhaps that was the point all along; that the Jedi Order, somewhere along the way had confused "control" of emotion for "suppressing" emotions.

[@williamchristy9463]

@@LadyDoomsinger A central point of the original trilogy, which is mentioned in Kotor as well, is that love is an incredibly positive emotion for Jedi. In fact, positive emotion *in general* is good for a jedi. However, negative emotions lead to the darkside too easily, and therefore are seen as dangerous. That's the entire Jedi justification for banning emotion. Ironically, it's a fear response. It's not healthy, and the ramifications of that is why Anakin falls.

[@lt3746]

@@KillerChickn yeah the Jedi have been consistently wrong about how emotions work, because they were infinitely scarred by the horrors of the various schisms and destructive wars that occurred early in their history. Ironically, it was *their* fears of it happening again that led the most dogmatic and strict members to take control and implement serious rules to govern the emotions of their members.

[@StickNik]

35:50 - He was theoretically more vulnerable when trying to force the ship down, could've even have Reva let 1 actual ship escape by attacking Vader rather than have hilarious decoy ship. Nice to see the autopsy that the choreo in some parts isn't as bad as I initially thought, but shaky camera work did enough to ruin my watching alone it seems, the rest of the glaring issues aren't easy to overlook (unless you lose them in the shakiness).

[@reaganduggins5279]

Also, regarding jedi philosophy: the jedi preach the "no attachments" philosophy, but it definitely isn't how they actually get their strength. After all, if you aren't attached, why care if the Sith break all the things you aren't attached to. Pretty much no jedi is attachmentless, but they really mean "don't let your passions overcome you". Now, whether that is an in-universe inconsistency (the kind of inconsistency that is very true to life because the characters themselves are inconsistent) or whether it is just accidentally written in, I don't know, haha.

[@jakobrenner2230]

The no attachment thing believe it or not is actually not an integral part of Jedi philosophy, but something that actually came much later from the inception of the Order. Basically what happened is that Jedi started falling to the dark side and had a tendency to make huge wars with massive collateral damage when they did. Because most of their motives for falling was because of revenge, the Order as a whole ended up concluding that it would be better if they trained their own when they were very young and forbade attachments because of probable dark side influence. While this method did have it’s benefits and did decrease the number of fallen Jedi during the later wars with the Sith, it ultimately came to bite them in the arse hard during the Rise of the Empire era for obvious reasons.

[@boxtank5288]

@@jakobrenner2230 And even before that, in the Old Republic era, the Jedi, staunch in their detatchment from all things, actually almost let the fucking GALAXY BURN at the hands of the Mandalorians. This might have encouraged them to re-evaluate later as the inaction (bordering on Apathy) almost cost them, in the long run, the whole order itself along with the Republic it protected.

[@bobdole1826]

The jedi philosophy was wrong and it's been proven time and time again in starwars Canon, They were wrong in their failings with Darth Revan and they were wrong in their failings with Vader, Over 1000 years if dogmatic ignorance lead to their greatest failures as an institute.. Even when Luke is trained Yoda remains stuck in his ways and Luke wins against vader despite not having his full training because Luke believed in his friends and the light in his father, in the old Canon when Luke started his academy he allowed his students to form connections and even use the "dark side" abilities he just didn't want them to become consumed by the darkness.. also in every scene where a sith lord is defeated in the movies, (idk about the new 3) The jedi gives in to emotion and their connections to their loved ones, Obi Wan beats Maul when he steps it up after qui gons death, Luke bests vader when vader threatens his sister, Anakin bests Dooku when both of his mentors are in danger, Ironically Yoda the jedi with the emotional range of a slug was unable to defend his temple and defeat Palpatine.. In knights of the old republic 1 and 2 the jedi code is questioned and there are countless examples of how what they believed was not the right thing, their abstinence from war let the mandolorians pillage the galaxy in failing to react they lost their best students when Darth Revan abandoned the order to stop the mandolorians, this failure would be echoed 1000 years later with their ignorance of the dark side of the force would leave them blind to the threat right under their noses, had they not tried to neuter their students emotionally and instead encouraged and guided them they might have been able to show Anakin the way, but their beliefs left him in the dark, literally.

[@madgizmo2212]

I can see Obi-Wan "sparing" Anakin at the end of RotS because killing your defenseless brother in the heat of emotional intensity is a great way to fall to the Dark Side. Hell, Anaking killing a defenseless Dooku while under emotional intensity is a major contributing factor to his Fall. The problem is that its a lot harder to justify Obi-wan not killing Darth Vader when he has acknowledged that Anakin is gone. Though I am of the opinion that Obi-wan and Vader should have never met in this mini series at all. It really should have just been Obi-Wan handling his PTSD and defending Luke/Lars family from the various threats on Tatooine, its like they are lacking in inspiration from Legends.

[@Vieyram]

That is a pretty good point I didn't think about. If Obi wan didn't kill Vader because he was to emotional and felt doing so would cause him to fall to the dark side. Perhaps he knew he could only kill Vader with hate in his heart so he needs Luke to be his proxy.

[@scottmemelord6130]

Yeah, them meeting here also kinda messes up the original reasoning for why their fight in Episode 4 was so slow. Originally it was due to them fighting with glass rods while filming. lol. But in lore they made it so the last time Vader met Obi-Wan was their original fight in Episode 3. So Vader was playing it very cautiously so as to not potentially let Obi-Wan get the upper hand. Now it kinda just seems like the fight is slow for no reason again.

[@lt3746]

Agreed they should not have met at all. I personally would have written the show to more of a philosophical and introspective look into Obi-Wan in this period, making him the audience perspective to see how the empire has changed the galaxy. Then we also get a look at Vader’s first steps, and how he handles slaughtering his once fellow Jedi. It would be a side-by-side look at the stark differences within the both of them, though they wouldn’t meet at all.

[@AlsoKnownAsJac]

Yeah but no, tbh Tatooine is boring and dull. Visually it’d be a boring show if set completely on sand planet, just like how Dune is also visually boring.

[@rakdar1714]

@@scottmemelord6130 I mean, Vader lost to Obi Wan not once but twice now, and quite badly too. That only reinforces their Episode IV fight being slow.

[@MiraBoo]

35:50-36:16 EXACTLY! When she did that, I could practically hear you yelling “Telegraphing! You’re telegraphing, you idiot!” Granted, Vader’s back was to her, so he couldn't see her pulling the lightsaber needlessly back, but he didn't need to with her obnoxious yelling and the saber’s igniting sound.

[@reaganduggins5279]

15:40 an interesting thought to consider: lightsaber fighting would be closer to modern sabre fencing than to historical longsword fighting because the swords are very light, it is usually a duel, and you win if you can make your sword barely touch the other person's body. With that in mind, Obi-Wan didn't even need to withdraw and thrust here. Any sabre fencer would have seen the exposed hand (wrist technically if it is sabre fencing) and done a quick tap for an easy point. With lightsabres, that "point" is the opponent losing their weapon hand (in this case, losing it again, lol).

[@joshholland8564]

For the third time! 🤣

[@michaelkeha]

um the blade is weightless but the actual hilt is apparently rather heavy and almost fighting against you in the lore due to the internals so it wouldn't be as close as you think also it takes more than a slight touch you still have to cut deep enough to hit something important yes flash boiling a chunk of fat would hurt but it's not lethal on the spot

[@zyiosovan4509]

Love the video! An important thing to remember about the binds is that lightsabers stick together when they clash, they don't slide as normal blades would.

[@SilentAMV14]

37:55 I've heard that in the Star Wars Legends lore, there used to be a Jedi who invented and used a fighting style that took advantage of that "turn off-turn on" trick with the lightsaber, but now, the Sith don't use it because they think it's a cheap trick that only the weak and cowards who lack skill and power would use, while the Jedi banned this style because they think it's dishonorable and unfair.

[@Starlitsoul0359]

Sith: Only a weak and pathetic Jedi would ever use such a dirty trick. Jedi: Such a foul and rotten trick could only ever be utilized by a sith!

[@SilentAMV14]

@@Starlitsoul0359 Exactly

[@mertarican5456]

So it is not ''legal''...

[@marley7868]

it's also dumb and libel to get you killed if your opponent ever picks up on it

[@nikersramnikers7081]

So they've basically banished the most effective way of fighting with lightsaber just because it's "not honorable"... Doesn't make much sense to me. Also imagine if Luke did that during his fight with Vader just because no one told him it was a dirty move. A much better explanation would've been that lightsabers need some time to recharge after you turn them off, so if you turn it off in the middle of a fight you wouldn't be able to turn it on in time and get killed.

[@timtipton4538]

26:40 youre right theyre practicing hitting lightsabers together like they tend to just do during real fights

[@unarealtaragionevole]

Shad, have you ever done a video or looked into actually putting poison on weapons like we see in films, games, and whatever? Would it actually be a good idea or even effective? Would things like sheaths or clothing be counterproductive? Since most poisons were biological in origin (animal or plant based) did they have a shorter time for usage? Since most poisons are acidic would that hurt the weapons? Seems like the type of fantasy/history element you like to talk about, might be an idea for a future video.

[@harlannguyen4048]

Poison weapons are cool, but remember not to lick the blade for intimidation factor like that one scene in Hero Yoshihiko.

[@Astraeus..]

The problem with poison & weapons is the delivery mechanism. Just dipping a blade in poison is going to be extremely ineffective, as metal isn't particularly absorbent. On top of that, by the time you're close enough to stick somebody with a hypothetical poisoned blade, you're already sticking them with a blade so the poison is kind of pointless. Poison-tipped arrows and blow-darts are documented as having been used, as those are effective means of delivering the poison and make the weapon in question significantly more effective than it would otherwise be without poison on it.

[@bluejacketergazu2447]

@@Astraeus.. ... you know you just need an open wound so venom can actually be effective?? and what do you mean it wont be effective if you just "dip it" ? well shallow wound wouldnt be effective but if the venom gets in enough it would still be effective. also, this implies that some form of venom are hard to stick with metal, which is not really. it depends, some venoms depends on their venomous structure would be very sticky to metal sometimes

[@kaelkirkby9191]

Who needs poison when you can cover the blade in your own shite. Far cheaper and arguably deadlier.

[@lordporpoise8761]

@@bluejacketergazu2447 Even with that being the case, I feel like you're going to need a very special (meaning probably too expensive to use realistically) toxin that can not only be held on a weapon, but a lethal quantity transferred into the opponent's bloodstream from a small cut. Added to this it'd need to be so incredibly fast acting that it starts to significantly impair the opponent within seconds of delivery, because you have to be within melee range to ever apply the toxin with a dagger/swrod or whatever. This is ignoring the added problems of the toxin needing to be easily stored, stable enough to last from purchase to battle and not being washed off when it rains during the battle. Adding to the other problem of having on your person at all times a sharp object that if you touch will almost certainly kill you instantly. Have fun sharpening/reapplying the poison on that knife without touching anything except the handle at any point.

[@TheFatalcrest]

You'd think the stabbing would be enough with a energy blade cooking the surrounding organs....and possibly slicing through the spine as well. But not once but twice did Reva walk away from it....guess Qui Gon just chose to give up

[@daefaron]

I mean, Obiwan promised to train Anakin and thus he trusted Obiwan to do it.

[@TheFatalcrest]

@@daefaron lol so if Obi said no, Qui-Gon would have climbed his way back up!

[@thebovlin1966]

The dark side of the force is literally known for extending life beyond what is naturally possible. The hatred felt is what keeps people alive, it's why Anakin didn't die, it's why Sion didn't die, it's why every dark side user has survived ridiculous pain and suffering and it's spoken about I'm cannon multiple times

[@trajanthegreat2928]

@@thebovlin1966 Then what's the point in any fight if anyone can survive any mortal wound. If getting stabbed straight through the stomach with a light sabre isn't enough to kill someone, why do people keep thinking that's enough to leave them for dead and why as the audience should we be invested.

[@papershadow]

@@thebovlin1966 Has the Dark Side in Movie/Disney Canon ever been depicted as saving someone from a blatantly mortal wound (Sidious's talk to Anakin suggests Plagueis's knowledge was lost/unknown to him and had to be rediscovered)? While most people would call for a Mercy kill after 3rd Degree burns like Anakin's, I don't find it the most outrageous that he survived long enough to be picked up by a super ambulance and basically put in a giant Iron Lung Armor. My issue with Reva is that by all accounts, she got run through with a Lightsaber twice, both times in a situation where no one would be coming to save her immediately, and she seems to recover to the point you wouldn't know she had been injured in such a way after despite Lightsabers being depicted as significantly more lethal than a standard blade wound (i.e. a cut that you might survive from a Sword you likely would not survive the same inflicted by a Lightsaber)

[@codahighland]

Head canons: Apparently-static binds are a mind game. The combatants are feeling each other's power and trying to predict the next move, and forming an intent to get fancy with it may be more telegraphed than an actual big strike would be. Remember, after all, that the Force grants a small hint of precognition. In most cases, the best move would be to watch for the best opportunity to disengage. Blocking a saber with the Force takes an immense amount of skill and concentration, so even someone with Vader's power would have to go wholly on defense to do so instead of counterattacking with the other hand. A lesser Force user may not have even been able to block that way.

[@kolicgames4750]

Here's an entirely better version of the flashback fight: 1) Show that practice lightsabers exist. Seriously. 2) Have Anakin defeated by a move from Kenobi. Have Kenobi show him the counter. But have them interrupted before he shows him the response to that counter. That sets up a good twist in a fight scene later BUT ALSO that Anakin is still the student because he never got to finish learning everything.

[@dah3071]

I'd love to see shads genuine reaction to the inquisitors in rebels using their sabers in copter form, that shit would probably give him a stroke

[@masonyoung168]

I'd like to point out that Obi-Wan lifting all of those rocks is a tiny-miniscule feat of power compared to holding back the wrath of deep ocean pressure in the fortress inquisitorious. Those rocks and chucking them are a piddly piddly amount of total energy required vs that much water pressure.

[@dantebanducci235]

You know, there are a number of “binds” where it doesn’t look like they are actually pushing very hard, and it’s much more like they are trying to sense their opponent’s movements and predict their next move. And I really don’t see any issue with that, ESPECIALLY with something as deadly as a lightsaber.

[@TGPDrunknHick]

and when they literally see the future. not every move is the best possible move because for force users it'd be too obvious.

[@andrewjustice210]

that is the biggest issues with weapons people breaking down light saber fights... MOST of them don't really consider the fact that they are force users... some might consider the ability to jump/move or pull/pull, but they rarely consider what 2 opponents, both with precognition does in a binding situation

[@Wyzai]

I don't think that covers it. This isn't an AI running on windows 98 - it doesn't need 5 seconds to process its information. What they would do as precogs is, I imagine, to either disengage because the bind limits their possibilities or to do small movements while holding the bind to feel out their opponent and to control the possibilities in their favor. Standing perfectly still doesn't change anything unless they are waging a force war with their minds or something. It is a static situation until you introduce a new variable or change an existing one.

[@Wyzai]

@@andrewjustice210 because the showrunners don't either. You'd fight very differently if you could see the future. There would be an emphasis on psychological, not physical, warfare. Both parties would try to manipulate each other. Jedi and Sith would be constantly attacking each other psychologically, since even a moment of weakness would be fatal. The physical moves are irrelevant if you already know the outcome. I don't actually know of anything that does this so I would default to The Gamer-manga's interpretation: Factions have foretellers specifically for this purpose and they wage a constant war in trying to change the future in their favor and to obscure the future or hide details of it from their opponents. You need to control what information your opponent has access to.

[@SirCanuckelhead]

@@Wyzai This is a big reason why Yoda was a flippy boi. He was not the greatest duelist, so he used the force to augment his movements so they become very sporadic making it harder to gauge where the attack comes from.

[@ARandomWeirdAnimator]

The reason recent Star Wars things are hated is not only because there bad but the thought of what they could have been make them worse

[@Сайтамен]

Honestly, it's hard to make worse, but they break new record every single time...

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

not that they aren't bad. they are bad. but we don't just hate bad, like you said they are missed opportunities.

[@padraicmarkle4658]

Yes, certain lightsabers had a "stun" setting where they would not kill and were used for duels in the Jedi temple for training.

[@reeceemms1643]

The fight scene between Anakin and Obi-own is a training session, and yes there is a training settings on lightsabers that basically just gives the person a light burn

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

I remember that from the books too way back in the old EU. I think the children trained with training sabers that were designed not to cut through flesh.

[@reeceemms1643]

@@Gaia_Gaistar I think it's still Canon, it's just never been mentioned

[@goldtyphlosion7537]

@@reeceemms1643 my philosophy is that unless we’re told otherwise there’s no real reason for that not to be the case in Disney canon

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@goldtyphlosion7537 Or we can just ignore the Disney wars canon because it's horrible and contradicting while and the original lore and continuity has always been better.

[@Сайтамен]

@@reeceemms1643 Rebels demonstrated it. Their lightsabers glow and sound a little bit different in training mode.

[@justin9951]

You know, most ads I see on youtube I just blow through not paying attention...but damn do I want one of these lightsabers now lol. Also pleasantly surprised to see this autopsy out so quick too, you're a machine Shad

[@arcshadowstorm]

I am glad that Shad is both a sword enthusiast and a star wars fan. I love the respect he has for the lore, characters, and story and the way they translate into the fights he goes over.

[@jessupshutt3557]

Another great video. The opening alone had me dying from laughter. Could you review the most recent adaptation of King Arthur? I remember you reviewing the trailer but I don't think you've done a fight scene breakdown yet.

[@jonsnow947]

In Star Wars rebels they introduced basically a "low power" setting of some lightsabers for training. That might be what is here can't tell. In rebels the sabers had a different color intensity to signify the lower power. Here you can't tell from the saber's color if its set to that training level.

[@Ramsey276one]

Sounds as plausible like a Tazer with Low/Medium/Hi knobs or BULLETS WITH A SOFT SIDE…

[@papershadow]

I think old EU also had specifically designated Training Sabers that, rather than a setting, simply didn't generate a killing level of force, so Lightsabers without a lethal setting can work as an idea for that scene in either continuity

[@passarovoador6662]

@@Ramsey276one Lightsabers are eletronics like any other, they even need to be put on chargers, i'm pretty sure low mode is a normal thing

[@Ramsey276one]

@@passarovoador6662 I saw the comment about the EU explanation, so now I am willing to believe it. XD

[@passarovoador6662]

@@Ramsey276one LOL

[@mahguvnah7403]

Your comment around 34:30 is very much my impression as well. I’m not sure if the scene was supposed to show that anakin is too stubborn, in which case it feels like they failed, or that obi-wan is a sanctimonious hypocrite.

[@psoma_brufd]

Man, this is gonna be an epic watch, can't wait to do it soon!

[@worldsheaviestjamband93]

In my head the density of the rocks were less than something like granite. Probably not as light as pumice, but it explains the shattering, the sinkhole, the completely non deadly projectiles etc…

[@aleccaldas8616]

Or Vader is using the force to give himself protection from the rocks in a last gasp defense.

[@worldsheaviestjamband93]

@@aleccaldas8616 That also makes sense. Realistically all the force users are getting thrown against walls and jumping from heights where my legs would my legs would be broken…that clearly they have a higher constitution than most.

[@notyourbusiness5530]

Yeah, I don't like how Shadversity assumes all rocks have the same density and structure. Or, even better, that humans living on other planets would have the same bone density as us. A critic who's overly critical leaves room himself open for criticism.

[@rainbowmoon1461]

If we’re going to excuse Disney for having guys hurl giant but completely harmless rocks at each other, then everything else is fine too. We don’t know what Obi’s anatomy is actually like. He’s from another plant. It’s possible that he could live and fight with his head chopped off. Sam goes for the emperor. Why should we have expected him to die when at the end of ROTJ? I’m sure he could’ve just used a force shield and body density to survive. Turns out Disney writers are geniuses. They realize that everyone can just be like Superman if they’re from another planet.

[@emuman09]

@@notyourbusiness5530 do you really think Disney took into consideration the type of rocks he was throwing?. It's obvious they just thought it was good and didn't care how canon breaking it was. Why are we defending this garbage show

[@numinorian]

I love that "Only a sith deals in absolutes" is a pretty absolute statement.

[@jrosegaming3025]

It's an absolute statement. But it's no the same as dealing in absolutes. Sith deal in absolutes so it's either their way or no way. While a jedi si supposed to be open to improvisation

[@bobdole1826]

​@@jrosegaming3025The jedi philosophy was wrong and it's been proven time and time again in starwars Canon, They were wrong in their failings with Darth Revan and they were wrong in their failings with Vader, Over 1000 years if dogmatic ignorance lead to their greatest failures as an institute.. Even when Luke is trained Yoda remains stuck in his ways and Luke wins against vader despite not having his full training because Luke believed in his friends and the light in his father, in the old Canon when Luke started his academy he allowed his students to form connections and even use the "dark side" abilities he just didn't want them to become consumed by the darkness.. also in every scene where a sith lord is defeated in the movies, (idk about the new 3) The jedi gives in to emotion and their connections to their loved ones, Obi Wan beats Maul when he steps it up after qui gons death, Luke bests vader when vader threatens his sister, Anakin bests Dooku when both of his mentors are in danger, Ironically Yoda the jedi with the emotional range of a slug was unable to defend his temple and defeat Palpatine.. In knights of the old republic 1 and 2 the jedi code is questioned and there are countless examples of how what they believed was not the right thing, their abstinence from war let the mandolorians pillage the galaxy in failing to react they lost their best students when Darth Revan abandoned the order to stop the mandolorians, this failure would be echoed 1000 years later with their ignorance of the dark side of the force would leave them blind to the threat right under their noses, had they not tried to neuter their students emotionally and instead encouraged and guided them they might have been able to show Anakin the way, but their beliefs left him in the dark, literally.

[@harrisonpanner355]

Great autopsy! I absolutely love this series! Something I think a lot of other people would like to see are the other fights in the prequels. Count Dooku and Anakin and Obi-Wan, Darth Maul and Qui Gon and Obi-Wan, Yoda and Count Dooku, Yoda and the Emperor. Please continue this series, and keep up the good work!

[@sweetlifealley]

Yesssss! More fight scene autopsies!

[@tomsawyerpiper9412]

I love how Reeva incorporated the two years she spent at interpretive dance classes into her combat style.

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD Though Fancy Dancer Secret Ninja is quite a good concept “She Jette’d you unconscious, you DOLT!” XD

[@BeefLoverMan]

All of these newer star wars movies and series seem to be forgetting that lightsaber blades have no weight. They swing them around like baseball bats... The prequel fights had some issues (useless spinning), but they did the movement of the sabers right. When you have two guys with superhuman reflexes that can sense the other's moves before he makes them, using essentially weightless weapons they're gonna move *fast*.

[@luciferneverchanges5841]

But spinning is a neat trick.

[@BeefLoverMan]

@@bigsmoke8816 that's a lot of mass to pack into that tiny cylinder... and even if they were that heavy, the weight would still be in the hilt, not the blade. You'd do even less if this heavy swinging and more fast blade movements. Also I'd assume they would use force assisted moves, like the jumps.

[@ncpolley]

Weight is a good thing in visual storytelling. I'm not going to criticize it.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

“When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master. Just ignore that rematch we had 9 years ago when I totally burned you on the floor. While you’re at it, also ignore the other rematch we had when you sliced part of my helmet off. Never happened!”

[@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954]

They really shouldn't have had Vader vs Obi-Wan in the show period.

[@Twinscimitarz]

I'd like to point out, that at 58:27 or so when he cuts the rock, the debris clearly falls into a "bubble" shape around him if you watch it in slow motion. It wasn't convenience that time, he shielded himself with the Force.

[@rustledentity5511]

The Force Unleashed showed Vader and Palpatine producing auras that protected them from attacks. I like the logic of there being a barrier, whether visible or invisible that they're conjuring out of thin air with the Force. There's a nice scene from DBZ where Frieza blows up a mountain, and even though Goku's aura is not visible, the rock fragments shatter in mid-air as they fly towards Goku -- implying that Goku has an aura around him, even if it's invisible. I would just use the logic that a visible aura just means they're putting more power into the barrier compared to usual.

[@moondar841]

Only 5 minutes into the video, but I do have to correct one thing Shad seems to have a minor grievance with which is Vader basically teleporting. He canonically does this to get in his opponents head. He moves very slow and methodically while in view, but once someone 'escapes' from him he will run and use the force to get ahead of them, then wait for them to catch up. It'd probably be quite comical if we could see it, but the point is no one sees him do it.

[@coulsonintahiti]

Now all i can see is running vader, thanks LOL

[@thegoodfather1177]

So Darth Vader is Michael Myers now?

[@lefishe6611]

@@coulsonintahiti Battlefront 2 bro, running Vaders everywhere

[@coulsonintahiti]

@@lefishe6611 LOL

[@berengustav7714]

"Batman, but you can see him running away."

[@AnotherDuck]

1:12:48 Lesson one for sword fighting: Pointy end goes into the other man.

[@ShieldWife]

I love your fight scene autopsies!

[@engilaru]

1:04:00 While the jedi ORDER says you should not form attatchments. The light side itself does not. It is Lukes love for his father that brings Anakin back in the end of episode 6 and finally brings balance to the force. The Jedi order fell because they had drifted away from the true path of the light side, and served the republic, not the force itself. To be strong in the light side of the force is to embrace love and life. Also "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" does not mean "nothing is certain", it is a response to Vaders claim that "If you are not with me, you are my enemy". "Only a sith DEALS in absolutes" is a response to Vader dealing out two absolute alternatives (You are an ally or an enemy). A Jedi knows there are more than two sides to any conflict.

[@passarovoador6662]

Attatchment as form of posession is a bad thing, but being compassionative to your dad is a good thing The Jedi in the Prequels were so de-attatchment that they stoped caring as much, The Jedi code is NOT BAD The Jedi that were corrupted

[@irontuzi3453]

4:54 It's clear Vader learned a teleport technique from his good friend Darth Voorhees.

[@arjunramakanth4370]

KENOBI! Dude, I loved your stuff before, but this is awesome. You helped me get into medieval weaponry and history, and now seeing you make a video on one of my big passions before this (not only Star Wars, but an obi wan specific video) is awesome. Thanks so much for getting me into medieval stuff. Learning more on my own and from this channel about weapons and history and everything else on here has done a world of good for me❤️. Also thanks for kenobi

[@balam314]

26:35 According to Star Wars Rebels S2E20, regular lightsabers can be powered down so they won't injure your opponent if you hit them.

[@John-fk2ky]

That’s “borrowed” from the old EU. Being able to reduce lightsaber power to nonlethal levels was canon long before Rebels. Rebels just brought it into Disney canon.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@John-fk2ky Was never canon before as the old EU wasn't canon either.

[@thegoodfather1177]

Then why aren't they hitting each other, they'll never become better fighters if they deliberately miss attacks

[@memorexdrc]

I wonder if Hayden and Ewan were aware of the lesser quality of choreography while they were rehearsing and filming Kenobi. They had to have been, seeing as the last time they fought in person was RotS.

[@sebastianschmidt4467]

About the thrown rock that shattered perfectly. At least in Legends Jedi could create like a force bubble around themselves to block projectiles and debree in a fight. In Legends was this force ability actually pretty common use and almost every jedi(at least so many I know so far) have had used it several times ober their live at some point. So that might be an explanation fir this issue

[@bigguy7353]

*debris

[@artnull13]

Yoda: Extended Universe there is, no legends

[@The_BlueShade]

it's not like jedi arent known to survive 100 ft+ falls anyway

[@AnthonyCerliano1]

Obi-Wan‘s over the head pose with a light saber. I’ve actually found to be not that bad. I know from experience especially when it is dark in the place we were dueling or playing with one even the LED light sabers will blind you if you hold them in front of you. So a good guard would be held above your head giving light to see the entire fight but still offensive. Holding it in regular guards like a regular sword would simply blind you making it very hard to focus on the fight

[@lordporpoise8761]

That's actually a really interesting concept.

[@Ramsey276one]

OH

[@TheStacanova]

TWO things that would’ve made this series better, plot wise. 1. Reva is trying to find Obi-Wan, because she knows she’s not strong enough to defeat Vader, but still wants revenge and believes Kenobi is the only one strong enough to defeat him. That may have gave Reva some more interesting characterization to work with? It may give her a reason to go after Luke, not to kill him, but to have leverage to force Kenobi to fight Vader? 2. After Kenobi defeats Vader, a good change would be, he’s going to kill him, but Vader gets air support from a tie-fighter coming in, that forces Obi-Wan to withdraw, without killing him, they could even flash a quick cut away of Vader pressing a button when the fight starts going bad, to show he’s calling for support. Sure, it’s Deus ex machina, but I’ll take that over what we got, everyday of the week.

[@laszlobencebari8677]

I agree wholeheartedly. Maybe with the addition that Obi-Wan should seem to perish in an explosion or so, so it would be believable that Sidious does not want to hunt him down (why wouldn't he? I really didn't get that from the series finale) and Imperial officers genuinely believe that he is dead along with all the other Jedi by ANH.

[@balam314]

22:00 "Could one thing be so bad that it can ruin the whole rest of the thing?" (The quality of Eternals rapidly accelerates into the sun)

[@TheSilverOrn]

So the most important thing I’ve learned is that Vader being inconsistent with his force powers makes Shad spontaneously become a New Yorker.

[@jamesmyers4640]

Vader becomes an Oblivion NPC while Obi-Wan gets carried away.

[@tylerallen2952]

1:16:00 when obi wan cuts open the helmet it’s not that unusual. In Star Wars rebels the exact same helmet break occurs so they can do a similar shot with red light. Good analysis of the fights.

[@TankHunter678]

That is because this writer has a habit of lifting scenes from other works. A solid chunk of the Inquisitor base events was taken directly from Jedi Fallen Order for instance.

[@zirienger]

I've been looking forward to this!

[@combustablelemons8988]

Obi-Wan really had a Jack Sparrow moment when he ran on sight

[@batguy39]

That intro was felt in our hearts.

[@thepuppetmagician]

Excellent as always. The only criticism I have with Shad’s reviews is when he talks about one fighter disengaging their blade or moving in a way that leaves them “open” and he says “they’re wide open now, the other guy could just get them.” While it’s true you don’t want to leave yourself open, I feel like judging that in slow motion isn’t really fair since at speed, I don’t really think the fighters would be able to react to their opponents being “open” fast enough to retaliate the way Shad thinks they should. Like spins for example, I feel like by the time a fighter processes that their opponent’s back is to them and they’re open, the spin is done before they could actually do anything to take advantage of it. That’s my only “benefit of the doubt” opinion I have for fighters when reviewing their fight in slow motion.

[@deadlymarmoset2074]

I agree that watching fight scenes in slow motion can be a bit silly and can easily be way over critical (suppose that's the point though), but the assertion that they can't react quick enough doesn't really work out IRL. If your blade is in front of yourself, there is a relative short distance you need to move your hand to either defend or attack, if the blade is not in front you that distance many times greater. Moving this distance of course takes time, and they are already reacting within the time it takes to to move the short distance. The reason sword people get so bent about spins, is because the spin doesn't just take a few times more time, it takes an astronomical amount of time (relative to how fast a normal move is) all while the non-spinner isn't concerned whatsoever about being attacked because the spinning person's blade is usually not even near them. That said, some benefit-of-the-doubt options that can still make martially questionable fights enjoyable are: They just missed the opening or are getting exhausted (people make obvious mistakes allot when reviewing combat footage) The person is not taking advantage of the openings because they are toying with the opponent. And finally, realizing that the fight was choreographed to be fun, look cool, be friendly to the film's budget and safe for the actors.

[@thepuppetmagician]

@@deadlymarmoset2074 Good reply! Thank you. I was partially worried I'd get hate for my comment. And of course you're right. And plenty of shad's points are valid. Aiming at nothing, doing a crazy move when a simple one works more efficiently. Doing something non lethal when you're trying to kill. All valid, And also just what happens when you're filming a choreographed sequence rather than just fighting, they have to avoid really hitting each other and won't always make the most efficient move, which is why if you look at people in larp, who wear decent protective gear, and use safety weapons, they sort of just bash at each other aggressively. Actors have to avoid hitting each other, both are different to what I imagine someone who had to train for real would look like. By "can't react quick enough" I suppose I mean "not sure if they should react" or "waiting to see how to react" I do stage combat which definitely isn't the same as a fight to the death with laser swords, and it could just be my own way of doing things, but I try to avoid rushing in for an attack when my opponent is in the middle of a movement. If they're doing something, I don't want to try doing something too. I want to figure out what they're doing and protect myself from it. I imagine real fighting looks more like it does in "the duelist" with a lot of watching and waiting. So yeah, suspension of disbelief is important in starwars but also they should try a little harder to choreograph what makes sense.

[@darkphoenix2]

Fighters at extremely high levels react faster than you realize. The subconscious isn't reflex, it's faster. A highly well trained fighter could be on someone turning their back in an instant, and we're talking about Force sensitives here who can act even faster. Still, they are also aided by the Force while spinning, so it's hard to say when a spin is truly dangerous.

[@alexross2835]

Professional fighters and swordsman don’t do don’t spins, at least not consistently and repetitively with success. If it doesn’t work at the elite level than it shouldn’t be the 2nd most common move constantly being shown in what is meant to be a fight between Jedi masters.

[@notyourbusiness5530]

Reacting to spins is more of a pattern recognition thing. You have to recognize someone is about to spin before they do it. I think Shad has a lense for how he views the world that he's developed over many years, but that lense often leads to him being short-sighted. He's so focused about the ideal of things that he's blinded to how events would actually play out.

[@Jonansions3000]

*JUST PUT OUT THE FIRE VADER!* "He literally did it seconds before; Disney can't even have consistency in their own shows!"

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

I've been waiting for this video for ages now and not disappointed at all, you nailed it! I would like to add a comment or two about the arcing and sparking with the lightsabers now. Before they only arced and sparked when they hit something else, now they do that when contacting each other now. The original writer for the original Obi-Wan Kenobi movie has revealed some details in some interviews that would've made this series a whole lot better and not break any canon, specifically it would've solidified canon the way his script originally was. - Reva didn't know Anakin and Vader were the same until Obi-Wan told her and that's when she had a turn of beliefs and died protecting Obi-Wan from Vader. - Obi-Wan and Cody were on Tatooine together watching after Luke and Cody stayed behind to watch after Luke while Obi-Wan left Tatooine for some reason. This would explain how Luke knew about the Clone Wars because Cody could tell him some pretty good stories about them. - Obi-Wan and Cody would get into scuffles with Stormtroopers and would dispose of their bodies in the Sarlaac pit. This would explain the Stormtrooper body we saw in its belly in The Book of Boba Fett and the actor who played the Tusken leader in The Book of Boba Fett said he played that Stormtrooper in the Kenobi show and there was an interesting story behind it but they cut it out because we never saw it. I'm just waiting to hear more about this original script, hopefully it will be released like The Duel of the Fates and other scripts so we can see everything that was originally planned because it sounds like they had a much better story in the beginning before they rewrote everything. Great video and looking forward to your next one! 👍✨🔥💥⚔🛡

[@ZaZi-Zeta01]

Links, by any chance? I'm not saying this as an attempt to discredit, I simply just genuinely find this facinating and would like to learn more.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

@@ZaZi-Zeta01 Star Wars Meg covered it in one of her videos yesterday (Obi-Wan Kenobi HUGE REVEALS) and another one three days earlier (Obi-Wan Kenobi NEWS UPDATE) where she's covering an exclusive interview of the writer by The Direct website. I've tried putting links in my comments but YT always deletes my comments but if you go to her channel, you can find those two videos very easily. The Direct articles are identified as: -Obi-Wan Kenobi Movie Trilogy Was Planned Before Disney+ (Exclusive) June 27, 2022 - Obi-Wan Kenobi Writer Reveals Commander Cody's Scrapped Role (Exclusive) July 1, 2022

[@ZaZi-Zeta01]

@@JohnFourtyTwo Ooo, danke danke! I appreciate your thorough and genuine response!

[@James35142]

I'm sad that we didn't get that and instead got another Mary Sue adventures series.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

@@James35142 My feelings exactly.👍

[@abandonallhope.1040]

I've had a lot of gripes with this series, but the lightsaber duels in episodes 5 and weren't one of them...although I would have liked to have seen a more dynamic environment like a waterfall or a water-based planet in the middle of a thunderstorm for the final duel and not another dead planet. It would have been a nice, poetic contrast to the fire and lava of Mustafar.

[@reeceemms1643]

it would have probably been like that Kenobi was going to be a movie

[@Comical_Jokester12]

They should not have met a single time.

[@dempshigrumlok7741]

I just imagined Shad as a storm trooper yelling “What are you doing Vader!” Made me laugh so hard!

[@robertbcope]

I agree, Vader was confusing so many times in this show. I'm enjoying seeing the Force used in more powerful, better ways than we may have seen before, but at the same time it seems almost random... sometimes it's used, sometimes they seem to forget they have it. My impression was that Vader just didn't give a shit, really.

[@augmenautus]

Vader was sick that day 😄

[@timeshark8727]

isn't it great when the magic system gets completely tossed out whenever the plot demands rather than the plot using the established magic system.

[@existentialcrisis31]

These really are my favorite videos you make. I can't wait for the next one! Please do Luke Vs Vader in return of the Jedi

[@coltonvanover5317]

Helpful fact: lightsabers do have a stun/weak setting, it’s what the younglings use at the Jedi temple, but they normally make a different more high pitched hum so idk if they are using low setting on theirs. Maybe? Idk

[@stevene6482]

It’s been a while, but I think they trade out the crystals to reduce the power instead of having a different setting to choose from.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I read one of the Obi-Wan books when I was much younger. They explicitly stated they used special training lightsabers. Obi-Wan could not just turn up the setting to kill as a student, it was always just going to effectively be a stun baton.

[@jacara1981]

@@Edax_Royeaux they give a shock, strong enough to make you learn