Shadow of the Colossus: Phoenix Location Confirmed

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Video made by Mr.Bunnsington with help from various Stage 0 members
Credit to Nomad Colossus for finding the Beta H4 slow resolution texture in the OPM Demo

[@acebeta5291]

Now this is a great moment.

[@holyboy1]

This is great. The location was theorised some years ago and now confirmed to be true. Nice videos but if I can just say, it would be great to see mentioned grid squares, in-game because it can be difficult for some of us to visualise the locations in gameplay and especially for newer players.

[@doctorsheri6243]

man i played sotc when i was 15 i am a 31 y/o physician now and by chance i came across this.u brought out the gamer nerd in me.just tell me how i can support this ptoject.

[@teamstage0987]

The best way for you to support the channel is to simply subscribe and like our videos :) We're glad you enjoyed

[@kwonster8824]

There's a group creating a game called Beyond The Forbidden Lands that will contain the 8 colossi that weren't originally added to the game. You can find them on Discord and maybe they have a site

[@rickalbuquerque595]

What I find intriguing is that, in the beta map, I4 doesn't look like a crater at all. In fact, it just looks like a plain with a few mountains here and there.

[@Scrubermensch]

Yes, that circle where avion's arena should be, looks much more like a crater

[@Neuronio_queimado]

The beta map don't show the phoenix arena, show the griffin arena (valley) in I4

[@rickalbuquerque595]

@@Neuronio_queimado I'm pretty sure the Valley was never put in the map. The image you're talking about lines better with the textures from Crater.

[@hakaseshinonome7456]

Provavelmente era a própria arena/quadrante in game do Phoenix. A arena do Avion não seria tão longe e ficava no quadrante H3 (no norte da intersecção do H4 que era um vale). E sobre o Griffin embora o mesmo não foi muito longe no desenvolvimento, havia sim planos para o colocar no mapa segundo o leak, era justamente no quadrante H4 que seria um vale nas versões anteriores. E a arena do Phoenix segundo esse mapa era mais ao norte, perto da versão final do Pelagia. Agora sobre o porquê do mapa não mostrar a arena do Avion nas versões preview e sim a do Phoenix eu não sei.

[@rickalbuquerque595]

@@hakaseshinonome7456 Mas porque o mapa mostraria a arena do Phoenix fora de I4?

[@andrewhoward892]

Here's a question for you Team Stage 0, are you at any point planning on covering where current colossi might have once been? Avion being an obvious example since it seems clear now that it wasn't originally at H4, but Barba would be another good colossi to talk about. Seeing as if Roc was originally at D6, where was Barba on the map before he moved there? Keep up the great work guys! It's been really fun diving deep into the development of this game once again after so many years!

[@AbsalaoMonteiro]

@@leo0x12 makes sense considering his sword in the E3 demo

[@teamstage0987]

We definitely plan to! We got a very good grasp on the locations in general. Stay tuned! You'll love our next uploads.

[@Scrubermensch]

Man barba is such a bummer. Even Yamori would be better "filler" than barba :(

[@AbsalaoMonteiro]

@@Scrubermensch nice username, Zaratustra be with you

[@Scrubermensch]

@@AbsalaoMonteiro obrigado amigo. Que Zaratustra viva dentro de todos nós.

[@rickalbuquerque595]

Just 3 more Colossi to go

[@renoo2003]

There's a lot bro. Worm, Spider, Griffin, Buddha, Yamori_A...

[@Lima75]

@Orgulho de ser BR The channel made videos on Roc, Devil, Yamori A, Sirius and now Phoenix. So there's just Worm, Spider, and since Saru and Griffin never had actual arenas, the third must be Beta Malus, Buddha.

[@cralo2569]

i will be impressed if anyone figures out where worm lived

[@rickalbuquerque595]

@@cralo2569 Worm supposedly lived in G1 according to the Team Ico wiki. However, the evidence for that isn't as solid as the evidence for other colossi.

[@rickalbuquerque595]

@Orgulho de ser BR Worm, Spider and Buddha.

[@royalkumar795]

RIP Japani studio Yesterday I found out Sony shut down studio in April

[@thelostzelda]

Keep an eye on GenDesign. Ueda did the same thing Kojima would do years later.

[@vixopipo8254]

Man i really wish a demo with some unused colossi appears in sometime :(

[@darkeclipticheart]

I love these videos! This game still stands as one of my all time favorites. The cut colossus still remains to be one of my biggest let downs in gaming. Seeing the sotc community piece together the cut colossus and their locations is so fascinating to me. PLEASE keep up the vids!

[@Scrubermensch]

Also the community is making there own 24/26 colossi games which is just and avenges the game. The biggest responsible for this let down is Sony's executives, they made team Ico rush the shit out of this game.

[@timmadone8930]

It's a let down for all us fans that we didn't get the extra 8 colossi in the PS4 remake. I do find it hard to complain though considering how nice the remake turned out. Who knows, maybe a PS5 director's cut might give us what we want. In the meantime the full complete "Praey For The Gods" should be out before year's end & it's looking to be a very nice spiritual successor to "Shadow Of The Colossus".

[@nicko-dev]

Never played the game myself, but cut/unused content - and this game specifically - are so fascinating to me! Good work y'all. :)

[@F1nicky]

so good, thanks for your hard work!

[@cachod2211]

Amazing, thanks for the video.

[@masonbates7959]

You guys need to upload again. Really missing your videos! Can't wait for the future.

[@pikapat321]

@@raltor20 they are still gonna upload

[@pikapat321]

@@raltor20 They already said not everything was leaked and they never said they won’t upload again

[@pikapat321]

@@raltor20 Honestly them gatekeeping info from this community seems like a scummy thing to do, just throwing that out there if that’s what they choose to do

[@pikapat321]

@Raltor200 I can understand the reason but saying some members of the community deserve or are more entitled to info everyone has wanted for over a decade and now that info won’t ever be told to the community is messed up

[@big3201]

@@pikapat321 When did they say not everything was leaked? Sorry, not trying to act rude, I’m just curious.

[@reiheractual]

Amazing work as always

[@juromori]

This is epic!

[@Nalhy]

Pese al triste desenlace del asunto sobre los leaks hace unos meses atras. Me fascina que este juego siga dando de que hablar pese a los años. Un grande Ueda.

[@thelostzelda]

Can't believe I caught a SotC update video in under 12 hours of release. I feel blessed.

[@pikapat321]

Okay huge theory I wanna put out there now that Hillock was confirmed to be D3 before being merged with Geyser. I am 100% convinced now that Monkeys arena cave was combined with Gravewind once Monkey got cut. I’m not saying Monkey was planned for B4 but I do think it’s arena was repurposed. I say this because in early versions Gravewind was not inside a cave and was in face an open area, meaning at some point a decision was made to put a cave over an essentially already completed arena which would make little sense unless they already had the cave assets premade. We also see in one of Monkeys screenshots a sky hole at the top of the cave he was in, much like the one we see in Dirge’s arena I would love to hear feedback on this theory as now that Hillock was confirmed to be merged with Geyser it’s possible Cave was merged with Gravewind

[@Scrubermensch]

The beta map was so rich that it actually could fit 30 different colossi arenas

[@brayan_lopes]

What if Avion's arena used to be Phoenix arena? In the preview version map, Avion's arena is shown as dry land and not as a lake.

[@nobodyexceptme7794]

The longevity of this game has inspired is crazy. The remake just doesn't live up.

[@rickalbuquerque595]

If Avion didn't live in H4, then where did it live? Avion's arena is older than Phoenix's, so it must've been already placed on the map when Crater was placed in as well.

[@Jaikhay231]

If it didn't move far from where it is now, then H3 is the most likely location. Avion's canyon is a large arena, and H3 is nice and empty.

[@ArchaeaChasma]

Another piece of great news!

[@renoo2003]

I'm REALLY curious to know where Spider and Worm lived... 👁️👁️

[@cralo2569]

i often forget about worm, and then i realize he's a complete mystery... it would be very awesome if something new was found

[@btab2772]

@@cralo2569 worm lived at G1, and Argus probably lived at H1, as the valley at I1 would’ve been used as the valley Argus climbed out of

[@renoo2003]

@@btab2772 How do you know it?

[@rickalbuquerque595]

@@btab2772 Argus and Worm probably were never in the game at the same time. In fact, Argus was probably added to replace Worm

[@renoo2003]

@@cralo2569 The only thing we have about him are 2 images, his idol texture, Dormin mentioning him in Dirge description and a video where he supposedly appears very quick.

Amazing!!!

[@theowl2044]

This is the greatest game ever created. Because 16 years since its release, we are only at the tip of its secrets.

[@ChuckLopez]

Beautiful work

[@donald984]

55 people are watching

[@pikapat321]

Question for Team Stage 0, is it safe to assume the devs had a planned quadrant for Monkey and Griffin but they never made it past the test stage and thus were never placed in their planned location or is it unlikely they had a planned location

[@Scrubermensch]

Look at beta map and you'll see there are ton of places with no colossus to "fill" it, they definitely had it in mind

[@mr.monkecolossus444]

Probably not, as idol statues were a feature given to colossi who had a planned spot and obviously saru and griffin dont have those

[@agustin1010]

Team Stage, I think I'm crazy but it's like there are weird drawings on the walls in shadow of the colossus

[@tiagobinz9186]

Amazing work guys

[@aho_1029]

You guys should make a video after all the collosi are found and make a map with the old and beta collosi on it and how it would have changed. Even include monkey and griffin in places you think they would work.

[@btab2772]

They already have, just without monkey and griffin

[@vjg5898]

Where can we see this map?

[@aho_1029]

@@vjg5898 I don’t get your question? What I was saying is they should make a final video with every cut colossi and at the end put everything on the map and shift everything around so that it would be a rough estimation of what a 24 colossi SotC would look like.

[@vjg5898]

I was just asking @btab27 where could we find what they mentioned

[@btab2772]

@@vjg5898 the wiki’s colossus arena page has the map with the unused lairs and locations

[@vixopipo8254]

we need more videos :(

[@brayan_lopes]

Will spider be the next? It was mentioned in the video that you already know the location but there is no video about it.

[@josephkwiatkowski2735]

They mentioned that they know the column it is in. Which is admittedly easy. And I believe they know the arena name. I still feel like nomad colossus might have had it right with F0 abd a slightly larger map. But I’m interested to see if the chip data might line up with something else

[@BGAMESBrasil]

Great vídeo!! Thanks!

[@PedroHenrique-do9nt]

Very good work

[@coldramentpm1013]

epically

[@timmadone8930]

Looks believable to me. Nice research.

[@vixopipo8254]

background music in 1:15?

[@SonsyRock]

If you talking about the "uncut soundtrack" is the sound in the final of the video.

[@eveninglion137]

It was a SotC track called "Medley - Prayer & Hope" or "Medley; Prayer ~ Hope" depending on the translation.

[@timmadone8930]

On the PS2 & PS3 version you hear this music during the end credits between the time Mono finds the baby & before Mono & Agro enter the Secret Garden. It's track #26 on the original CD soundtrack. This piece was rescored for the PS4 remake but it's still recognizable.

[@iankennedy9462]

Good work secret seekers

[@Scrubermensch]

So, where is the "slow_crater" quadrant? Is it completely absent?

[@emezix]

Good job

[@attilaschweininger6867]

Is Team Stage 0 dead or just in search of something new?

[@pikapat321]

Channel died

[@ScorchtheHawk]

They’re back

[@frsaiyan6535]

Se hubieran tomado el tiempo de ver como solucionarlo,para que crees algo como eso y desecharlo por simples parametros que tienen solución,se dice que lo descartaron porque ocupaba demasiado parte del mapa y nose cual era el otro motivo que no funcionaba

[@luisroberto3072]

Si mal no recuerdo terminaron desechando gran parte de los colosos por las limitaciones de memoria de las targetas del playstation 2, aunque lograron optimizar muy bien el juego no tenian espacio para mas colosos

[@FunForEverPT]

Uuuuuh wasn't this uncovered years ago???????????

[@btab2772]

All theories pre 2018 have been debunked

[@Neuronio_queimado]

Are you still going to show the whole map?

[@pikapat321]

What was the water in Basarans arena for during the OPM demo?

[@mr.monkecolossus444]

Water Probably was just a decorative detail Or if you believe in the Spider at D3 theory, it could be the leftover lake

[@andrewhoward892]

@@mr.monkecolossus444 Yeah, I've wondered myself if that leftover lake could have actually been Spider's at one point, since it's such a weird and unnecessary element to Basaran's arena, (seriously, WHY was there water in Basaran's arena?). Lord knows we could use a hint or two regarding Spider's arena, since the F row theory seems debunked. Anything evidence pointing to any quadrant would be nice!

[@pikapat321]

@@andrewhoward892 personally i think Spider was at D5 but thats just a theory of mine with no real basis

[@andrewhoward892]

@@pikapat321 Hmmm, never thought about D5, will have to look at that area more closely someday soon. Looking at the area from a top down view, it looks like a pretty interesting area, definitely worth a peek!

[@andrewhoward892]

@@pikapat321 C3 was one I've often wondered about as well, as it has a out of nowhere lake. Granted, the area in that quadrant now doesn't seem like it'd be a good fit, but perhaps after Spider got removed, the quadrant would have been changed greatly to not look so "arena" like. Hard to say for sure though. D5 was definitely interesting to look at too.

[@juliaodocopao6033]

#shadowofthecolossustribute

[@gabrielpinta1255]

So what abbout griffin

[@btab2772]

Griffin didn’t make it past the testing phase and thus was never placed on the map. It is possible however that griffin had a planned location before getting cut

[@gabrielpinta1255]

But ter mithy be some Field and codes abbout his arena

[@obi-wankenobi5730]

Not much is known about Griffin. The artbook says you could make use of its weakness of fire and it moved swiftly; implying it was afraid of fire and it would move fast. The artbook said the Griffin took a long time to retry, so it was rejected. We also know it lived in a valley and its sigil was on its back.

[@weshansen7892]

@@obi-wankenobi5730 that almost makes me think Griffin and celocia are one and the same... A beta colossus that was tested and repurposed into a final colossus. It would also help to explain why celocia is essentially a clone of cenobia. If you already have a design that works, why not use it again for a different puzzle. This is absolutely unfounded and purely speculation, and I suspect that there's already evidence showing Griffen and celocia were indeed different and/or existed at the same time separately. It's just fun to pick this game apart as is evident by this video itself 😂

[@obi-wankenobi5730]

@@weshansen7892 that also explains how we ended up getting celosia. That's because it's also swift like Dirge and afraid of fire

[@GamerLee1231]

I have a question. You said we have leftover codes and few texturing codes. Then what if we add some codes and textures that will revive the beta colossi and start the game? will it crash? or we can make beta colossi easily than making a whole game? (maybe it needs a lot of textures and animations and codes)

[@andrewleyton6689]

All this info could help Beyond the forbidden lands sadly not the SoTC tribute since they canned the project

[@pikapat321]

When was Tribute cancelled?

[@ScorchtheHawk]

Wait, tribute shut down? Their griffin looked so good tho