Shadowlands Legendaries - Two Hundred Of Them!?

[@fotmreroller]

"We don't want you to go away to a third party website and sim your gear everytime you get an upgrade" This'll be fun with everything you've got going on in SL

[@Murzac]

The problem I see at this point is that people are going to do that regardless of what Blizzard does. They simply cannot simplify the game down so much that people wouldn't resort to sims to figure out what's good and what's not without severely gimping itemization and everything else. Like seriously they implemented the stat threshold with the explicit purpose of making the difference between an item with BiS stats and an item with worse stats but +5 ilevel smaller but players just seemed to interpret that as "well the difference is now smaller so simming is required even more to see the difference." There's just no way they can win against that kind of mentality.

[@ophir147]

I guess the actual plan at this point is to make the sims required so extravagantly complex that the computing power required would put anyone attempting to host it out of business.

[@almcjones2132]

Just let me reforge my shit and farm legendaries through raids. I don't even like raiding, but it was better than having to do the RNG Legion crap and now this. WoW peaked in MoP.

[@Luxumbra69]

@@ophir147 good thing I pay to support raidbots then 🤷‍♂️

[@Etzlo1]

@@ophir147 then it just is gonna get offered as a downloadable program, they can't win

[@warhammerguy]

At this point someone needs to give an intervention to Ion and the system devs.

[@ItsSvetsi]

I would like legendaries to go back to being, you know, legendary. With weapons that are created through long quest lines from raids and that jazz. They could even do one for each type of spec so that "no one feels left out" because I imagine that's an issue with some people.

[@laffintyeu]

Sounds pretty cool to actually earn a legendary. Progressing in content and putting in the work to eventually get rewarded with something powerful. In legion leggos just dropped randomly which was super unrewarded and now they „fixed“ that by letting everyone just DIY legendarys in the first week of the xpack... I mean it’s better than rng but now with leggos feeling like epics or underwhelming set bonuses... dude why even call it legendary feelsbad

[@tesladrew2608]

Not gonna happen without masterloot

[@caffeinefuelled9186]

Imagine having to invent all these "Legendaries" because making some teir sets is too difficult.

[@AT-yu2op]

Preach you look really fresh in that shirt. Rocking that lumberjack style. +1

[@carlellis3220]

Thought it was his dressing gown

[@Bluepancho]

I hadn't looked much into the legendary system and now i just wish I didn't because what the hell did they do ?! This is so convoluted and theres so many

[@Derik.dunn07]

I think the term "quality over quantity." Is completely alien to blizzard.

[@Moxiecore]

I think that the meaning of "quality" is only known to the art department.

[@deathbower]

there are no more systems in 9.0 than there are in 8.3. The problem is that we're getting mugged with all of them at the same time.

[@AlexanderForsman]

Only thing that comes to mind is the WoD raid experience, as it was superb with only ~30min of farming supplies each week to be raid-ready.

[@Sunthaz]

In terms of systems, yes. In terms of actual playable content, no.

[@deathbower]

@@Sunthaz Hard disagree. There is a boatload of content out there. On the beta, it feels like another legion. and that had some people complaining that there was too much content.

[@Mahav0k]

Are we not gonna talk about the dancing Vulpera in the background. Mike is turning into a furry

[@nictennick1650]

I couldn't look away

[@ReatuKrentor]

Well he is getting hair treatments. furry confirmed?

[@thedarkfox9851]

Even if, who cares

[@nictennick1650]

@@thedarkfox9851 found the furry

[@bombingburrito]

Get the cross

[@MrKelfu]

My right ear loved this video.

[@emanuelbandrabur5338]

Or left

[@joripien]

@@emanuelbandrabur5338 you have your headphones on backwards mate

[@1999origamiguy]

Mono master race

[@tryhardname]

#righteargang

[@Ocktavius1781]

#lefteargang

[@Neil3D]

I'm 6 minutes into this and my head is spinning, when an 11 minute video is needed to explain 1 part to the expansion I'm reconsidering my participation in it tbh.

[@panda93247]

This is all going to be so incredibly confusing... God, can we go back to just having tier sets and no warforging again? No legendaries, no covenants, no azerite whatever, no weird systems that you need to look at some chart before you make a decision that might make your character terrible or overpowered. Also, can we please just get a "What you need to do each week" video, as just trying to understand Torghast is enough to make my head spin.

[@Murzac]

The thing here is that I personally thing that all of the systems are alright and cool in their own right. By themselves. It's almost like Blizzard had all these cool ideas that they thought they'd want to throw into the mix but just felt like they'd be missing out on an opportunity if they removed any one of them so they decided to include them all. What they really should have done early on in the expansion development is just pick whichever system they thought is the coolest one (probably covenants) and just roll everything into that. And even then prune away so that you either have just the covenant abilities and have very simple soulbind talent trees with no conduits whatsoever, or ditch the covenant abilities and have the conduit/soulbind system currently in place. Just have that and only that as the borrowed power system for the expansion and it would have been fine. And not only that, Blizzard would have had a much easier time keeping the whole thing balanced because there would have been so much fewer knobs to tweak. Basically Shadowlands is probably suffering from massive feature creep and I hope that they learned a lesson from it.

[@Jaigarful]

Because its like a mobile game, feeding you constantly little upgrades to hook you, to provide a pathway to where you can slowly keep upgrading your character. WoW has been built around these things since Legion and it does a really good job at retaining players. Buts its obnoxious.

[@ILostMyKeys]

I think you're looking for Wow Classic...

[@panda93247]

@@ILostMyKeys I think I'm looking for any expansion pre-WoD, actually.

[@laston8320]

yeah i tried to follow his explanation for the torgast and the currency soul lash but he lost me halfway through when he started talking about redoing levels and having to do 9 runs to get "maximum" soul lash.

[@zancrus9629]

....Wouldn't it have been easier to just I don't know bring tier sets back?

[@ilyushka00]

When an epic trinket is better than a legendary, can u really call it legendary?

[@markosmarkou8156]

depends in legion velens/aman'thuls were marginaly ahead for most classes dps and healers even the tanking lego got some play but all legendary trinkets had a universal effect for the holy trinity so they werent supposed to actually be "legendary"

[@ilyushka00]

@@markosmarkou8156 i’m talking about epic (purple) trinkets.

[@jamesmoore381]

Just read the blue posts my guy, they are going to fix the trinkets in a few weeks. Right now they are focusing on classes and they haven't even done one tuning pass to trinkets which they plan on doing in a few weeks according to Ion.....

[@NoConsequenc3]

they should just pull a PoE and call them "uniques" so that they aren't implied to just be... better

[@panda93247]

No, you call it a unique, like they do in Path of Exile, and many other games involving these types of items.

[@OriginalMicycle]

@PreachGaming I just wanted to say I'm very impressed that you spat out that script all in a single take rather than several cut up pieces. I watched BellularGaming's PrePatch 9.0 Guide and it looks like several pasted clips where he still manages to mess up enough to be distracting.

[@Mordarim]

Preach, even if i do not agree with every bit of content you put out, i am still really fond of you. You are a gem for the wow community. Thanks for the past years and thanks for your beautiful eyes.

[@phantom-ow4uf]

Thanks so much Preach, you rock man. What the hell would we do without you!!

[@iyaramonk]

Like someone said on your conduit video, these are now "ordinaries".

[@Skyt3k77]

Thanks for the spreadsheet Fin!

[@gorrevisor]

"Legendaries" right. They are as hard to get, as memorable and has as many legends about them as uncommon items in classic. I expect 1 recipe to be dropped by a random murloc with a ~10% chance.

[@jorgebellidolavado6382]

Unless something has changed , it's mandatory to recreate a base item 40 or more times for one upgrade, not mention anima dust. It take too much time for a character with 2 or 3 specs to fully upgrade legos unless using tokens so he or she can have gold and expended it on materials.

[@briancatt7813]

Thanks for the rundown, Mike. Much appreciated.

[@PaulRizzo504]

200 of something being available is literally the exact opposite of the definition of legendary.

[@noname-gp6hk]

My favorite was the slide that showed "generic legendaries". Those two words are practically antonyms.

[@nicksmith1665]

game is killing itself

[@jorgebellidolavado6382]

They are too expensive to make. You need items from 3 professions and also animals dust. When you fully upgrade legos for your specs, the patch is almost over.

[@jorgebellidolavado6382]

Anima dust I mean

[@shockadinz9785]

i actually rather enjoy this style of legendaries, had a bunch of fun synergizing them in legion

[@fare-5174]

Step one: remove Legion legos, BFA azerite, and tier sets. Step two: reintroduce them as a new content so people will sign up for SL. ... Profit?!?!?!

[@tegridyfarmer2581]

@Zornbringer new spells mean to be creative that doesn't work as a blizzard employer ofc

[@Zarollak]

bUt yOu MaKe tHeM!?

[@dragovianknight]

Remove X, reskin and rename it, introduce it as the new grind is the only way they know how to design the game these days. Heck, now we have a no-mount zone, so they can make temporary mounts feel like a "reward". By next expac, I expect them to break our toons' kneecaps so we can find crutches exciting.

[@whisla8920]

Do you think these should be "legendary" items? Or maybe just unique crafted things? The legos dont feel very legendary compared to older ones

[@slinttu1378]

They should just be called something like "Runecrafted".

[@harrison1735]

I've always had a hard time envisioning some gear slots as being capable of legendary status. A legendary weapon? No problem. Legendary rings and trinkets? Makes sense. Legendary leggings? Eh, uh, what? Legendary belt? I really have a hard time thinking of any fantasy story where a character had a really cool belt.

[@tdmc6428]

@@harrison1735 Batman

[@2ndCthulhu]

@@harrison1735 Matter of fact, the Norse God Thor had a belt called Meginjord as well as magical gauntlets. Meginjord gave him immense physical strength, which allowed him to combat the mightiest Giants.

[@jerekkimble148]

Especially the ones sourced from Glyph effects

[@ryantwomey3463]

also they need to put glyphs/tier sets back in the game

[@maxw565]

Scrap all the soulbind and cov shit. New talent row, sets and glyphs... easy!

[@WhatIfTheories]

When you said Torghast worked like visions a million souls cried.

[@Monny2000]

I think I would dislike this less if they weren’t named ”legendaries”

[@saiyaman9000]

Yea maybe rune gear or something would be better

[@transposestudios]

As someone who works with excel on a daily basis in an office setting I would like to tip my hat to Fin for getting this thing done so well!

[@Xfacta12482]

I literally can't keep track of the names of all these systems. Its just words at this point. Once upon a time it felt like you were becoming a more powerful character and interacting with the world to do so. Now you're interacting with interfaces

[@ConfusedRaccoon]

Legendary, becoming so normalized that a new tier of loot is needed.

[@Armeniozo]

4 for your class and 4 for your spec is so many?

[@jacapojohnson6292]

@@Armeniozo Its a LEGENDARY! What's legendary about having one for every slot, spec for every player? Legendary should mean something.

[@Armeniozo]

@@jacapojohnson6292 there was a message before mine saying that 200 is an insane amount but that person deleted his/her message after I said if you go class/spec specific it’s not that bad. But I agree with what you say, legendaries should be impactful and few.

[@cjbro5934]

Mythic will be next, it's the only way

[@ConfusedRaccoon]

​@@cjbro5934 So long as it's red or teal coloured.

[@refaal2998]

this "low level legendary" concept must most bizarre idea I've ever heard in all my wow years.

[@timokampwerth1996]

Would really like an in-depth look into torghast. Much of it has changed since you've covered it the last time.

[@mauricioviggianoneto6308]

legenderies crafting is better than all the other crafting professions.

[@Billy_Biy]

Well, this is early. All the best in the pre-patch!

[@ChEILoZ]

They're forcing out ideas no one asked for. After BfA I think most people just want a chiml solid expansion. Nothing elegant or convoluted, just give us some great dungeons and raids and we're good blizz

[@jorgebellidolavado6382]

And also powers not based on renown systems or similar, but doing only mythics, raids and pvp and that's it.

[@markbonker6861]

Remember when legendaries were... legendary?

[@intruder313]

Yep, took me the full year (expected time based on drop rate!) to get my Thunderfury!

[@WarbossFraka]

Nope, they always where either lucky drops or a guaranteed things from doing raiding content. Never legendary.

[@CosmicCleric]

@@WarbossFraka How do you define the word 'legendary' ?

[@alienduck2]

RNG sure makes things legendary 🙄

[@ameldancalippo6912]

@@WarbossFraka They were never "lucky drops" they took time and effort to get.

[@ryans3795]

Wow, its pretty cool that you can choose the stats on the legendary.

[@mattd9205]

Thanks Preach and thank you Fin for the spreadsheet!

[@userisonline]

Thank you for this video. Now i am 400% sure will stay with Classic and eventual tbc

[@reeven1721]

These things are reaching Windows Server licensing levels of convolution.

[@samljer]

Give fin a raise ;) that spreadsheet is off the chain; hope he keeps it up to date over the xpac.

[@TheGadgetwiz]

This is a great summary. Thank you!

[@alenaneko]

This expansion hasn't even started yet, and I'm already feeling so tired of all the systems. I don't want to figure it out and test things by myself like I usually did, there is just too much stuff going on.

[@mariaadams4284]

I feel the same. We haven't even started and I'm already 100% done

[@dragovianknight]

Same. Listening to the explanations of the new systems is exhausting.

[@JakeSezz]

Fingle: thank you for the ridiculous amount of work you do for Mike and us ✊🏻

[@ChrisTehKiller169]

With class based conduits and set bonuses coming back in a small capacity you are actually at the same number of effects as legion, but this is where quality over quantity comes up because these effects in SL are borderline passive which is what makes it feel so dull.

[@prototype0277]

bruh! mad props to mirror's edge! Love the game and the music!

[@sephrinx4958]

Man, everything about the acquisition of legendaries seems like a nightmare. What the hell is going on with this expansion...

[@prendergastpete5397]

I love the view out of your window.

[@ScorpionP2C]

its...legendary =D

[@aeggeska1]

Thank you for speaking about these things Preach.

[@dantebzs]

On Fin's spreadsheet it says "Sacrolash" slows the targets for 50%, currently it is 15%, unless there was some change that I didn't see.

[@Ojfanta]

That's really cool for blizzard to make so many legendary items, I can't wait to go on icy veins to tell me what the best one is to equip for my class and then wear that all expansion.

[@vandakaii2893]

What ppl forget is that if you want crafting to be relevant again some thinking is required to play around with it that makes the crafting system worth it for most players so the extra legwork is something I like from this cause it does indeed bring back crafting as a money making system again to some extent and influx reduces AH prices etc.. But, THIS is fun and easy enough to learn for everyone and not a system that is to hardcore to get most ppl lost in its design.... so oddly I will have to say GJ blizz on this. EDIT: My one issue is the amount of legendaries they have with this but, that is it..

[@Lancun]

8:23 "You can craft multiple of the same legendary." Those are the saddest words I've ever heard. No thanks on Shadowlands.

[@117Haseo]

That thumbnail face is soooo appropriate.

[@Grohoful]

when you were talking about torghast... that sounds terrible compared to watching your torghast videos 5 months ago....

[@thedarkfox9851]

I tried it on beta and its so boring now it saddens me. Theres like 2 Powers that are actually fun and interesting the rest is just meh

[@joshlyman7059]

So many systems to look up before I can play SL -.-

[@YourTechGerman]

Love the way they designed the legendary path, acquisition, progression! Excellent job Blizz! Now just bring my shaman meat ball orgasm legendary back and we're best friends :p

[@drummerguy438]

Im a little confused. I thought part of Torghast was a sort of "do it for fun" kind of thing. Like you could do one type as much as you wanted even if there was no direct gameplay benefit. Is that not the case?

[@karr285]

Fun was detected and Blizz immediately stomped it out

[@drummerguy438]

@@karr285 Did they really remove a repeatable version?

[@carnage123]

love the view outside the window

[@zoom2376]

The mirrors edge ost backround song is crisp good choice

[@BrendonLeaman]

They should put the recipes and resources on old raid tier bosses from past expansions.. regardless if that content is outdated it would still make sense a boss like nefarian has an item needed to create your legendary.

[@AnotherSheepTV]

That spreadsheet is legendary

[@M0du5Pwn3n5]

This system seems great! Versatile, a little complex (but not too much), some good QoL, not too hard to balance for the difference specs. If only it didn't have to co-exist with seventeen other equally or more complex new progression/gearing/talent-ish systems that will already be many times more difficult to balance.

[@brokengames4918]

wearing that exact same flannel right now, good taste

[@ChumblesMumbles]

At 1:07 - that could be the first time anyone has ever said you want to have Sephuz's. It was the most dreaded first leggo in Legion.

[@SeitzAl1]

as a frost mage i loved my sephuz after the initial buff

[@omarcomming722]

I kinda miss Legion legendaries but what I liked was that they made all content relevant. When they were purchasable and targetable, it was a perfect system that was sorely missing from BfA and which made unrewarding runs of raids and M+ (which is most of them) feel much better.

[@FruitSmax]

wouldve loved to see the frost dk t17 4-set come back in one of these legendaries

[@terrydirks4441]

Neat speadsheet. Wish it included what slots the powers could go in.

[@aaronlanda8077]

All this systems are getting out of control FFS I'm not playing this

[@lewisgarland8335]

Agreed! i got my refund yesterday.

[@johnfish3672]

It's sad. I was really looking forward to coming back for Shadowlands. But seeing all these systems makes it less and less likely. I don't think I'd be able to keep my main raid ready on my current schedule. I miss WoD a little. Not saying it was great, but the "mandatory" stuff only took about 5 minutes a day.

[@Jaigarful]

​@@johnfish3672 Whats funny is that people thought it was going to be better than AP, but nope, its not. They just packaged it differently and stuck a cap on it. You still need to do weekly chores, but they're organized differently.

[@GuitarnoobJulian]

+1 for the Mirrors Edge OST

[@NightpireVideos]

I see a lot of people taking the term legendary as in what it used to be in WoW, but the legendaries we have here are a copy of Diablo3 legendaries, which in the current game drop more often than green items. That doesn't make it any better, but that's where this item concept comes from.

[@eLguL]

ty for the video and a special thanks to fingle for making that sheet 👍👏

[@Pwnyrideable]

200 legendries and all the shadow priest ones still blow.

[@Kidzop]

Anyone else that wish Preach would do a class review of all specs pre-patch vs beta and give an indicator of how the spec is played once shadowlands is released (compared to pre-patch). From a struggling altoholic 😳

[@toney001]

This all looks so convoluted for the sake of pretend depth. I miss the simpler times. I think Legion was the best compromise before the systems got out of control.

[@dariominiello9934]

they had a lot of time to make legion, that's why it was great. Well aside from leggos drop being rng and untargettable ecc, i mean you were happy when you got one but it should've just been raid drops or something not from fuckin emissaries lol

[@Forndrome]

Don't see this as good news... I'd much rather have minor bonuses from borrowed powers like legendaries and fleshed-out base classes/specs rather than having so much of my character's power be determined by borrowed powers.

[@nicwin4006]

For the very first time since I started playing WoW, I've let my sub expire. And I don't feel good or any kind of smugness about it. It's just.. sad. I think about all the friends I've made and the things I've achieved and grinded for in game - they'll just be sitting there in the ether, feels like such a waste. But when I look at all the systems on systems on systems to try and give us power, (power that we've already had that was taken away and now just given back with a new label on it) I just can't bring myself to care. I can't get into it. I've tried. I've really really tried. I've been keeping up to date and informed with videos, guides and updates, but it just falls so flat. I cannot justify the price tag of continuing to play this game for something that I will half-enjoy. I did this throughout BFA. I was one of the people who really gave it a fair shot. I always gave every new system the benefit of the doubt and tried it before I judged it. And it wasn't til the end of BFA that I admitted to myself that I really didn't enjoy it, no matter how hard I wanted to, no matter how hard I tried. I have suggested other games to some of my friends for us to play, so we can still stay in contact but I know it won't be the same. I don't feel any rage or hatred toward blizzard, it's just.. sad.

[@ElderSign32]

dont worry, theyll nerf them all until theyre worse than epics so they wont have to worry about balancing

[@mezmerya5130]

already done, for the most relevant ones, about 2 months ago.

[@RealSnugh]

You can equipt other specs legos in a different spec. EX: A elemental leggo on enchance

[@yolvagingras2705]

Blizz is just a microwave, it goes around in circle and give us reheated stuff that feels blend.

[@kennethhamilton2988]

Wish I could name my legendary....

[@johndavies5315]

QUESTION: Preach do you think that just the legendary system would have been best and no covenants, just let the convenants be story or fun driven areas and borrowed power comes from Legos i.e. tier sets ?

[@sanctissimus1]

My man Snorlax still chill af.

[@s0515033]

I preferred the expansion wide legendary from MOP and WOD. Those type had a story attached to it, and you stayed with it, making it memorable.

[@notoriousbig3k]

wut?

[@s0515033]

@@notoriousbig3k The legendary system of Mists and WOD was better. These are uninteresting. As he said, they're basically a mash-up of old glyphs, set bonuses, etc. NO real connecting to them.

[@TheWoWMagician]

Hello from my right ear Preach!

[@Anxeas1]

@PreachGaming will you do a tier list for legendarys after balancing is done?

[@bjrneirik3448]

World of Skipcraft Systemlands

[@Ub3rSk1llz]

200 legendaries doesn't sound very legendary. lets go back to one or two legendaries per expansion.

[@tegridyfarmer2581]

A legendary for everyone is better so everyone is a winner :)))

[@anthonynishiyama4005]

I kinda wish they had just implemented craft your own weapon / Legendary and that’s it. Sure covenant for story and PvP maybe but simplicity is cool.

[@novaquinn5323]

so there is what 4 legendries per spec?

[@pmkaboo2446]

4 spec, 4 class, 8 shared

[@novaquinn5323]

@@pmkaboo2446 ah

[@tuomaslunden4848]

Really nice list there. However, it seams to be a little bit outdated, at least the latest changes are missing. Although, most likely there will be changes coming quite frequently and keeping the list updated can be laborious.

[@adamn2993]

thank you Fin!

[@SeitzAl1]

i think i actually like this system. if they'd gotten rid of conduits and soulbinds and stuck with this plus covenant spells that would have been far easier to balance and would make very little difference gameplay wise compared to the mess they landed themselves in

[@Hairaldan]

I would love to have this kind of crafting for normal gear. No legendary effects and the ''soulash'' comes from all kind of content (dungeons, pvp, wq, etc.).

[@claytonmurrayguitar]

I feel like I’ve been watching videos since alpha/early beta and I’m still just as confused as ever with everything that’s going on haha

[@a40989d1]

Remember when legendaries were 1, sometimes 2, extremely rare drops from an end boss in a raid? Pepperidge farm remembers.

[@deathbower]

And does that strike you as a good system? Farming Illidan for months and never seeing a glaive drop or getting three MH glaives and no OH glaives, or having it take months to get your hands on both halves of the windseeker bindings and nothing you could do about it except hope to get lucky next week? The rarity of the items allowed them to be insanely powerful which gave the lucky player a huge advantage.

[@Anddroiden]

imagine if Blizzard had spent the time they used on creating soulbind abilities on making the legendaries interesting and had those abilities apply to the legendaries instead. Yeah people would have complained, but i don't think there would be a lot watching from the side line expecting a shit volcano to erupt any minute now.

[@Sadzeih]

Remove souldbinds and just create interesting legendaries. This system is sooooo damn cool and it's sad that the actual items will be kinda boring.

[@SuperTbonety]

What happened to Torghast, preach was so into it at the start of Alpha?

[@aponinaapu2973]

Legendaries, crafting, just kill me now and end my suffering :D

[@The7thgeist]

crafting confirmed good in shadowlands poggers

[@hulipatsui]

And with these there are 200 more ways for Rextroy to make more oneshot videos