Shanshan Li (CHN) : 2008 Beijing Olympics : TF BB

[@volleyballfan2]

I wish they would stop saying that turn is an easy skill. It's much harder with a leg held up. And typically, dance elements to some gymnasts are harder than the acrobatic elements. I swear. These commentators see someone stumble on a turn, "Oh, it's such an easy skill." And then they go and bitch about that for the rest of the routine.

[@aebbantayan9849]

2008 beam finals was a dream! you could definitely pick anyone from the finalists to win gold with a solid routine!

[@zhaoyangwen2741]

That's why I prefer the BBC version-this is not their team either but they are definitely fairer and more accepting and more positive and... Rarely dwell on gymnasts' mistakes.

[@rodrigoalfonsorojasmendoza965]

I totally agree about it! This commentators are an awful shit

[@saragrant9749]

This team however was spot on about the judging and scoring. It was so ridiculously inconsistent as to be a sham! I do agree their negativity about the athletes though is obnoxious.

[@TJ-bd5iq]

True they shut their mouth on that dismount though.

[@saragrant9749]

@@TJ-bd5iqit was the only thing there wasn’t room for criticism though. The scoring at Beijing was suspiciously inconsistent.

[@stitchedbycarly]

nbc is soooooooooooooooooo rude. im over here like wow look at that full twist swing down!! look at that stuck landing!! look at her confidence commanding the beam! geez

[@beckymo9417]

Yes! They keep going on and on and making a big deal out of a fee small wobbles. Then the silence when she stuck her dismount. Astonishingly rude!

[@stitchedbycarly]

Kawaii Geekz i know haha its off and on with tim and the nbc commentators. I think they get anxious and grumpy when usa is behind. I love when commentators appreciate all good gymnastics! This beam routine was stunning. Thats what i love about gymnastics, no matter the country or team, any beautiful gymnastics will take your breath away. :)

[@beckymo9417]

+Carly Schaelling Exactly!

[@saragrant9749]

You want rude? Go back and watch some of the European commentators from the 1980’s and 1990’s who criticized gymnasts for how they LOOKED, not how they performed. THAT IS RUDE.

[@sktzn6829]

*wobbles on turn* NBC: It's such an easy skill, she keeps falling on it. BBC: *gasps* oooh *sticks dismount* NBC: *awkward silence* BBC: Amazing!!! That was Perfect!! NBC: UMMMM those tiny wobbles will be very costly at this stage, let's focus on them!

[@aashisharibam4946]

THE GZ Exactly!

[@saragrant9749]

They focused on things that SHOULD have factored into her score- but didn’t. The scores for China that year were unbelievably inflated.

[@liukin95]

Ok the wobble on the full turn was big, but the others were just very small ones and the commentators made a huge deal over it!

[@saragrant9749]

They made a huge deal out of checks and bobbles that WERE NOT factored into the score as they should have been. The scoring in general on beam was disgustingly inconsistent in Beijing.

[@ojk46]

@@saragrant9749 no. She had perfect form on everything else. The americans didn’t. So even if they wobbled less, the less than perfect form made things balance out.

[@saragrant9749]

@@ojk46 you didn’t watch the same competition as the rest of the world did then. When MULTIPLE countries remarked about the exact same thing, it definitely proved that the inconsistency was there.

[@ojk46]

@@saragrant9749 i did. And no, china was not overscored on beam lol. Shawn and nastia were lucky to get credit for a lot of the skills they did.

[@saragrant9749]

@@ojk46 go ahead and believe whatever drivel you choose. The whole rest of the world knows the facts- and could care less what someone like you thinks.

[@russiangymfan]

Deng's start value is 7.0!! Much higher than Liukin's! Deng deserves this score. She could have scored much higher if she did not have a few balance checks.

[@ivyhuang7041]

Ahh NBC commentators, you never fail to serve as a source of amusement....nothing to say for this stuck dismount, nothing to say for Yang Yilin's stuck dismount either. hm.

[@ivyhuang7041]

Vivian Li Feeling the salt.

[@chercher304]

Nothin to say bout het twist into korbut either!! She killed it

[@saragrant9749]

They were spot on though about the innumerable bobbles though. The scoring at this Olympic competition was so inconsistent it was laughable. In beam final your bronze medalist (Cheng Fei) was a farce- full of constant balance checks and yet she received a very small amount of deductions. By contrast the Romanian athlete (Dragoi) had a smooth and consistent set and was hammered. In terms if this stuck landing- it was good, but certainly not great… with her chest that low you cannot call it great.

[@Markane62]

Even that she had a couple of balance checks,she was phenomenal! :)

[@bandersnatch6546]

small wobbles but very difficult routine and of course the commentators had nothing to say about that beautiful stuck dismount. wtf

[@emmyjo720]

even with the wobbles it was still beautiful

[@saragrant9749]

The dismount was the only thing that didn’t have room for criticism.

[@shushunovafan4301]

By far the best beam worker in the world at that time. Shame about her fall in finals.

[@MajorMajesticIce]

No she wasnt

[@josephqualtier961]

Nastia was still better imo because she hit her routine everytime without fail with no balance checks. Although she most definitely hits better ring/sheep positions.

[@saragrant9749]

Was Shawn Johnson. Li was great but unbelievably inconsistent. Shawn was the most consistently stable beam worker of that quad.

[@MrJpman2]

she's so cute after her dismount waving to the crowd, shame she couldn't do this in the event final

[@janethchavez]

😭 she deserved a medal. That fall still hurts

[@CodySDivineCreators]

NBC should replace Tim with Bart and keep Nastia and maybe add Amanda Bordon.

[@CodySDivineCreators]

Oh right completely forgot about Shannon Millier she's great too. Just Tim is too much sometimes.

[@emmyjo720]

Cody S. Shannon Miller is great, she is fair, she is never, ever, talks about herself and she is not biased to the US either...The others could learn from her.

[@CodySDivineCreators]

I agree Shannon Miller my personal favorite. She actually names the skills they are performing too for example on beam when tim usually just talks about how difficult it is or irrelevant things

[@HaideeChu]

0:56 "One of the easiest skill" i dont think person who isn't trained could even walk on the beam

[@yeehee4405]

That is true but compared to the other skills she does in her routine that’s one of the easier ones

[@imenarrodemtz.7929]

Cierto 👍

[@saragrant9749]

For an elite gymnast it WAS an easy skill by comparison.

[@marialeones2318]

wow the best beam routine!

[@europegymfan123]

i think her dismount is the best part and favorite part of this routine

[@ajimenez1719ify]

Well, I'm not sure who Dang Linlin is but, there is a gymnast by the name of Deng Linlin, and she is wonderful! (Or, WAS wonderful I should say, as she is now retired.)

[@Wespin87]

LOL, I agree, it's almost as if she heard what they were saying and stuck that landing in order to shut them up!

[@misssofija6760]

2008 China was a powerhouse. Incredible gymnasts with insane difficulty.

[@imenarrodemtz.7929]

Increíble, maravillosa !!!

[@anonymous38820]

that is exactly the sentiment I was trying to get across! spot on. It was a really exquisite exhibition of gymnastics there, li shanshan had a very difficult set of skills that they could have talked about.

[@guitarman29100]

i swear elfi says nastia's name at least once during everyone elses routine in this olympics

[@gabrieltampus8403]

Wobbles and balance checks. But falls and out of bounce for the US. Truly most amazing effort for team China- very well deserved!

[@emmyjo720]

Exactly, Shannon Miller is also an Olympic champion and she commentates with intelligence, fairness and with humility too...Tim sounds like a drama queen and they sound like they are whipping up progaganda against the Chinese who were going to win...

[@saragrant9749]

He was understandably unimpressed with the way the Chinese were being scored throughout those games. Other countries were hammered for the slightest things while China was given grossly overinflated scores.

[@gymnasticsfan8]

I love how they're like "BALANCE CHECKS" and then she sticks the landing :D

[@saragrant9749]

Because the checks were there but not reflected in her score. The Chinese were greatly overscored on beam throughout those games.

[@KarpfenKarpfen]

I love her routine! It's interesting seeing it from another point of view^^

[@aashisharibam4946]

Nothing to say about the perfect Rulfova or the stuck dismount but going on and on about the tiny wobbles. No thanks NBC I'll pick Christine from BBC any day.

[@saragrant9749]

Because those bobbles and yes- BROKEN- connections should have been accounted for in her score… and were not.

[@antwonnyy]

@@saragrant9749yes they were. Also, their technique was far superior in every part of this final.

[@saragrant9749]

@@antwonnyy no- they were NOT. It should be very obvious that the E score for that routine was unnecessarily high, and the D score did not reflect the missed connections. That was the case for several Chinese routines during those games- including beam finals.

[@just.another.person.771]

@@saragrant9749 0:23 -0.1 Long pause 0:45 -0.3 balance check 1:11 -0.1 Long pause 1:17 -0.3 Balance check 1:25 -0.1 Balance check The deductions i saw: -0.9 Actual E score: 8.950 missed deductions???? overscored???????? where 😐

[@speedofpee]

they were still talking about that full turn like 5 elements after the damn thing happened. her dismount said "shut the fuck up, tim and elfie"

[@kras118]

Absolutely the best beam dismount at the Games

[@saragrant9749]

Lol not even close. Low chest landing. How about those who stuck- with their body upright in proper form.

[@kras118]

@@saragrant9749 oh my gosh you're so right! who's routine should I watch?!

[@saragrant9749]

@@kras118 Nastia in AA finals, Yilin of China in AA finals, and I’m having a mental block on the others who stuck theirs. This was a great dismount but there were definitely a couple of others who were better.

[@kras118]

@@saragrant9749 ohh yes, Nastia for sure! That and her vault from AA were so stellar. I'm definitely blanking on Yilin in AA, so I'll have to go back and check it out!

[@Sassiiification]

i couldn't find any big mistake! awesome !!!

[@burakkupinkku]

omg they were just on top of her !

[@Demetri450]

Why do they need commentators?

[@msms68]

you can tell when she wobbled tim got really excited

[@anonymouslyanonymous5987]

They are just small wobbles, why does Tim have to point out? Rude commenters!

[@pedromoreno4492]

Sometimes I think people is to harsh on NBC commentators. But then I re-watch this and I remember why

[@saragrant9749]

They were very unhappy with how the scoring was being done- and RIGHTLY SO. The Chinese were given multiple blatantly inflated scores while other countries were hammered for the slightest thing.

[@proudpotterfan]

1. a full turn is at least a C skill am I not correct? that's not an 'easy' element (someone please correct me I'm not an expert at the code) 2. if THOSE wobbles were silly, then what was Alicia Sacramone's fall on her mount? Can somebody fire those silly NBC commentators??

[@96horseluvr]

@gymnastagirl141009 THANK YOU!!!!!

[@nathaliexlr8]

Oh hey this was uploaded on my birthday xD sorry had to say that lol

[@ShaunWhiteismyGinger]

Lots of balance checks but awesome dismount

[@edmundodelamadrid7624]

I knew almost all the comments were going to be about the commentators. Christine from BBC is much, much, MUCH better and professional than these two together.

[@Syiey1]

Have been listening to these commentators in a couple videos, and yeah, you're so true. Sometimes they are really annoying.

[@Zoigun]

They spent like half of the routine whining about that one full turn! 😆

[@saragrant9749]

Because it was incredibly poorly executed- consistently so- along with multiple other checks… WHICH WERE NOT REFLECTED IN HER SCORE!

[@MrQuaker122]

LOL. Someone pissed in Tim's cheerios that day.

[@96Maryangel]

and i'm sure nobody can be perfect

[@janethchavez]

Me parece que Den LinLin ejecutó la misma primera linea acrobática en Londres 2012 😀

[@saragrant9749]

Yes she did. She won gold from it.

[@anonymous38820]

I've been watching gymnastics for several years, and from just this video, I think its easy to excuse the comment. But from a collective knowledge of their critiques in the past you will see a trend. I also never said that her routine was perfect. Neither was shawn's. In order for any of shawn's beam routines to be perfect, she would have had to hit 180 splits on her leaps and jumps, which to my knowledge she has never done completely on her beam routines. I would encourage you to rewatch.

[@emmyjo720]

Now Deng Linlin is Olympic Champion on beam..which makes me even happier after the sniping here....Li Shanshan had the best beam in 2004, Shawn Johnson was gifted that gold medal by Li Shanshan's fall in the beam final..

[@Anthony-lp1jn]

Did no one notice that deng linlin had the same d score as li Shanshan and Shawn did she try qualify to the beam final because she could’ve won gold

[@MrJbee1982]

And another wobble...and another one, and another one! Shut up! lol

[@pedrojorge1912]

The fact that NBC tried to highlight every Chinese mistake to make them look overscored. I was actually glad Sacramone felt on last rotation, I know CHN would've won anyways, but at least it made the victory even more clear and made them shut up during CHN floor.

[@saragrant9749]

NBC was highlighting mistakes made by the Chinese that WERE NOT REFLECTED IN THEIR SCORES!!

[@tamousha]

1:45 just die NBC.

[@nadiazamri4791]

And even after 5 years I still get pissed by NBC commentators. They r silent on all the skills she did exceptionally well, but criticise so much when she does the slightest wobble. HELLO

[@AndromedaAiken]

Talk talk talk negatively and then when she sticks her landing...silence. LOL.

[@emmyjo720]

This is not BBC...

[@AliciaDupres]

No matter what these idiotic commentators are saying Shanshan is way better than Nastia Liukin on beam. Liukin's routine consists mostly on jumps and turns and has no really risky elements. Not even a front or back summer sault. I was astonished that with such a dull routine she could get silver medal on beam in Beijing. Liukin would never be able to perfom those 4 skils in a raw. Shanshan is to be compared only with Shwan Johnson who is absolutely fantastic on beam and very reliable

[@lorrheisenberg]

really tim? really? you can point out all her bobbles but you cant say ANYTHING about 1:37?

[@kewechen954]

Perfect dismount NBC: r u serious...

[@dbhmr]

I find it interesting that so many posters are yelling "Let's see you try those skills!" at the commentators. Well, let's see you commentate live on national television at an event as huge as the Olympic Games and see if you don't get a little over-excited or say something foolish.

[@toomuchgoingon]

i think it's really sad and pathetic that she had such an AMAZING dismount yet they said nothing about it...they went straight to criticizing her saying "how many of those bobbles with those judges recognize" seriously like wtf...can we have a little unbiasedness please? i realize you wanna support the USA but hello, give credit where credit is due!!!

[@gannenbryan]

I can guarantee that if a member from the US did the same amount of mistakes the commentators wouldn't have made it such a big deal

[@bernardmvella]

@msms68 She's not a world champion but she took the silver medal on the beam event final in '07 with a fall. Personally I think that makes her even better than a champion.

[@anonymous38820]

oh and as an afterthought, Im not trying to bash on shawn here to be clear, I think she is wonderful, but it also kind of mystifies me when people claim she is perfect compared to gymnasts from other countries (which like i stated earlier, we and our commentators never seem to appreciate as much as they deserve). look at li shanshan's beautiful dismount and landing. Shawn nearly always takes a step on the landing. i'm just saying, take a careful look before you claim a gymnast is perfect.

[@saragrant9749]

Here’s the difference. Shanshan had fallen MULTIPLE times during previous competitions and was having little checks and errors here too- especially on that L turn. Shawn fell on beam in international competitions a sum total of TWICE- ever and rarely was anything but insanely consistent. Big difference.

[@emmyjo720]

The difference is the lack of compulsory exercises...

[@CelestStAngelius]

ok everyone, lets put Tim on the balance beam and see how his does. :D

[@96Maryangel]

i know this turn is difficult. i know it because i do train this too...but i mean especially the pose with the 1/2 turn. she is really amazing and she does the most difficult things nearly perfect. but i feel sorry for her that she has 2 mistakes that could be betteri'm sure she could. and i ask you friendly not to be so rude and say i don't know anything about gymnastic just because YOU don't understand my point of view.

[@nathaliexlr8]

Great talent but extremely inconsistent.

[@LCAmarkymark]

@wg1989 only if they could live stream the olympics on BBC america then people would stop complaining lol. I really like the NBC commentators usually..here they were more nitpicky. I believe its producers in the background telling topics to talk about or things to say and remind the views of.

[@josephqualtier961]

The nbc commentators are just unbearable… this routine was fantastic she made like 3 little wobbles and acted like it was a travesty💀

[@saragrant9749]

L turn was a significant deduction, and balance checks were there but not deducted for. They had good reason to be unhappy, as the scores were highly inconsistent.

[@jmnm0]

This routine is great. I hate these commentators sooo much

[@LCAmarkymark]

She did alright but don't throw skills you can't do. She did amazing for the difficulty though but if she just did a simple turn she would have saved so much on execution. and her routine would still be very difficult.

[@ShawnVikaKomova2012]

@gymnastagirl141009 Except for the fact that there's probably more comments on this video hating NBC left by Americans as opposed to any other people of another country.

[@Beansprout927]

I wondered if he was also like "WOW! Really silly mistakes.... bla bla bla" when Alicia Sacramone FELL OFF the beam! I usually like listening to the commentators because I don't know much about the deductions, and I wouldn't mind him saying all these things..... as long as he's just as rude and critical to every athlete, but I doubt it.

[@96Maryangel]

of course shawn isn't perfect...she has her mistakes for example, like you said, the landing, but compared with shanshan li she doesn't make these little mistakes...i think this gymnast was a little bit angry about herself, because propably in every training she does she did it perfect...but that is what makes the difference to shawn. and sorry maybe i get completly wrong what you say because it's hard to understand your english ;)) but i try

[@1967andwaiting]

NBC commentators are so biased and sour especially when it comes to gymnastics or swimming. they cant stand the Chinese team at all and are always saying negatives about them, but never their good moments like that beautiful landing

[@riccardoattorri8881]

I hate NBC gymnastics commentators, she had some serious immense beam work they said nothing about and a couple of wobbles they based all their comments on. I'm sure the NBC lady would have done a better beam routine, in the Olympics she didn't manage to be part of for Canada 😘

[@magh0421]

so mean, the NBC

[@anonymous38820]

really silly mistakes tim? then us falling off the beam must have been a big big ooopsie, now, wasnt it? tim and elfie are ridiculous when critiquing other nations. its unfair. that was excellent. li shanshan brought it hardcore.

[@vtv4511]

qbella

[@aznxswtangel]

0:56 "One of the easiest skills" I don't think making a full turn on a beam that is 4 inches wide is very easy..even for gymnasts who practice and practice, I still find it amazing that they are able to stay up on that beam! And Li Shan Shan's dismount was nearly perfect! NBC commentators suck ass: they can find everything wrong and nitpick it all apart, yet they can't say sh!t when something amazing happens..drop dead NBC.

[@LCAmarkymark]

C is a lot easier than an F or G...is it not?

[@MeghhanTron]

@proudpotterfan 1.a full turn with leg at horizontal is i think. a normal full turn is an a. (pirouettes.) i dont know why he said that was an easy skill! silly comentators. 2. the wobble was on a half turn, which wasnt really a skill, so apparently thats stupid in his eyes, even though its on a beam, at the olympics... BBC is soo much better! :)

[@LCAmarkymark]

how is that mean?...her score suffers from that...its a fact...its not mean...its ouch your score is going to be lower than is should. I have read worse comments on here than I hear the commentator say its seems like anymore.

[@sami16167]

How was that mean? I agree with everyone that they're biased, but saying something is silly, especially when it kind of is since she wasn't even doing a skill just walking, isn't mean.

[@JohnPhilipSousa519]

You wish...have you heard the Gymcastic interview with Tim Daggett? It's fantastic and will assuage a lot of your feelings of hatred for him.

[@darkandlight4650]

The announcers are biased

[@burrpology2639]

Commentators just waiting for mistakes so obvious...

[@blessingsx.]

@happyjellyfish I hate the NBC commentary too!

[@elh6473]

This guy really had the audacity to call balance checks "silly" mistakes as if a balance check isn't a gymnast trying to make sure she stays on the beam. Yeah, fuck it, just fall off next time so you don't make any "silly" mistakes.

[@jepsst]

BCC commentators are the best, and the Spanish girl too is amazing NBC sucks !

[@1797rachel]

1:18 "WOW!" the commentator is so mean! :/

[@7mykitchen7]

unfortunately if you are in the US you are forced to listen and watch their horrible coverage of Olympics.

[@Selahhhhhhhhhhh]

and they say NOTHING when she sticks her dismount!! i hate these commentors

[@LCAmarkymark]

NEVER ...get OVER IT...at the end of the day....who gets the paycheck..they don't care

[@pakopaez]

sorry nbc....

[@anonymous38820]

oh and my third disappointment with this comment: "stupid unimportant poses?" seriously, it makes me want to give you a break because I seriously question how much you know about gymnastics. The full turn is one of the most messed up skills. It may look easy, but every gymnast has trouble with that turn, often leads to deductions in even the most poised gymnastics. Shawn has on occasion been deducted for wobbles on it.

[@msms68]

@officialnaddy is li shanshan a world champion...no

[@samisfun868]

the two skills she did amazing on - the first path - they said "CRAZY" the perfect dismount "SILENCE". racist mofos

[@LCAmarkymark]

they don't care...they got a paycheck...thats all they cared about

[@balelang]

hey commentator, get off the microphone, get on the beeam and show us what you call "one of the easiest skills." you good enough to be criticizing her that way?

[@xazngiirlx]

notice they shut their mouth when she landed perfectly?