Shaq Shares Why Kevin Durant Doesn’t Belong In GOAT Debates

[@queyoung6597]

“He’s one of the greatest 7 footers, that plays like a 2 guard.” Well damn Bellamy he is the greatest if you create his own category for him. Might as well have added “who don’t bench press, or comb his hair.”

[@beastboy9472]

spitting

[@KB33441]

😂

[@Travvv94]

Gotta show some respect to the greatest player to ever make multiple burner accounts

[@Denzel191]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GarbageMan144]

Get a life lmao

[@TexasWreckShop]

If Duncan aint in it, KD for sure isnt in it. Duncan should've pounded his chest more and done more media ass kissing

[@Maja-hs5pd]

@@Stej-i7mnot true

[@Sudosaiyajin]

@@Stej-i7mno centre or power forward will ever be the goat anymore unless they can dribble ,shoot , pass and athletic

[@travisstrickland7270]

Bro Shaq mentioned Curry. 😅. If that's the case KD definitely in GOAT convo. KD was clearly better than Curry even on his own team.

[@Sudosaiyajin]

@@travisstrickland7270 Kd was always better than curry

[@litsupa1002]

​@travisstrickland7270 c'mon man you can't be telling the truth around here. That's outlawed! 😂😂😂

[@jakepalmer8201]

The issue is they're sitting beside someone that no one has ever seen before in Shaq. And Shaq doesn't put himself in the conversation

[@jbssmith100]

Because he couldn't shoot

[@jakepalmer8201]

@jbssmith100 There are more people that have existed that could conceivably do what KD does with enough practice and support then there are people that could effectively do what Shaq did.

[@Querymonger]

​@@jbssmith100who cares if you still cant stop him. Shaq's dunks give you the same points as all KD or Kyries long middies

[@jbssmith100]

Being dominant inside and an all around great are two different things. Shaq missed thousands of points on free throws alone which are some of the easiest shots in the league hence the word "free" in it. KD can score in the paint, mid range, from 3, and take you on the dribble. This is why Shaq doesn't include himself in the debate because he was just dominant inside. Not enough for GOAT consideration. Top 3 big men all time no doubt but he lacked many CORE BASKETBALL SKILLS.@@Querymonger

[@Vennnnnnnnnn]

⁠​⁠@@jbssmith100u realize teams had to have 3 people foul out of the game to slow shaq down right? regardless of his ability to shoot freethrows or not, being so dominant that youre forcing teams to throw players at you as a strategy is insane

[@IgnorancEnArrogance]

KD is KD, but he doesnt inspire a struggling team to win, he just wins for them. Like chuck says, he doesnt drive the bus.

[@atrain_7300]

💯

[@Ccdssdgvbbbb]

I would think I would see a Charles Barkley 🍆 rider . Kd took struggling teams to the playoffs and atleast the 2nd round . Not many has done that so shut up

[@UPxYOURs2]

That Warriors move single handedly takes him out that conversation

[@tbjb009]

People fail to always mention this though: The Warriors went for him, not the other way around!

[@dontbescared512]

@@tbjb009 who cares bro that just beat him hell naa

[@MmaMadman85]

If you honestly believe that then the moment Lebron went to Miami and teamed up with Wade and Bosh, that takes him out of the conversation as well.

[@jaredm5625]

He lost to them in the conference finals shut up

[@dontbescared512]

@@MmaMadman85 its not the same clown be original and come up with your own thought process instead of sounding like a npc

[@generalfeed123]

Kawhi did it with Toronto. Everyone forgets Wilt, he had the best one line ever when he was going back and forth with Jordan, “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so l couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could.”

[@JaeSproo]

Mike was dominating WITH hand-checking! He only played a few years without that rule. They had to change the rule because defense was making games UGLY. They were just mugging people.

[@elderesquire]

This is Cap. Kawhi had 1 year left on his contract and was traded to Toronto. Won a chip then left. Not the same ha all.

[@elderesquire]

@@JaeSprooyour a casual as well. Illegal defense was created so Jordan can dominate. You clowns say anything that Jordan says as Gospel. #goeducateyourself

[@RIPJoeRogan69]

bozo@@elderesquire

[@biggeneral1979]

@@elderesquireThat’s true to be real nothing Wilt said was a lie or wrong Jordan definitely benefited from the rule changes and had the refs in his pocket he was great but he was also pushed by the agenda of the NBA to make him a mega star Wilt was not

[@riccoharris8991]

I’m a KD fan but he not in the goat debate he’s close but I remember he said he left OKC because he was “Tired” of being the guy Jordan would of looked at him crazy 😂

[@smokesmitty1]

U don’t understand what he saying unless u had his experience

[@vinjoned7081]

He was tired of having coaches that let Russ do whatever the fuck he wanted without any serious accountability

[@dxtremecaliber]

@@vinjoned7081lmao as if hes not the one isoed his way to choke the 3-1 against the Wariors lol

[@vinjoned7081]

@@dxtremecaliber okay and I watched Russ completely ignore him and take contested threes or long twos just as many times.Its always been known that Russ did things his way granted he’s gotten a lot better as the years go.Theres a reason he was easily able to mesh with Steph and klay clown

[@riccoharris8991]

@@vinjoned7081 so u go too a team with 2 dudes who shoot 10+ threes a game if he had a issue with Russ which I have never seen anything about I’m sure they would of talked it through

[@Professor_BuddyLove]

He doesn’t belong in that conversation… He doesn’t have the accomplishments to be there. Talent and ability alone doesn’t put you there

[@MmaMadman85]

So team accomplishments put you there? Because KD is the most decorated Olympic player of all time, 2nd in scoring titles only to MJ, 6x all-nba 1st team, 4x all nba 2nd team, 14x all-star, MVP, 2x FMVP, 2x 50-40-90 club member, he tore his achilles and his shooting stats went up. Saying he doesn't have the accomplishments is admitting that the GOAT is a team award.

[@Dom2.0]

Why not? The goat should be based on the individual not tge TEAM accomplishments. Some players had more help than there's so why would you even think of a team accomplishment in a individuals title lol

[@rogerdread38]

Duran is better than LeBron queen

[@W3althy_Burrito]

Needs more than 1 mvp otherwise you could argue kawhi belongs in the goat convo@MmaMadman85

[@Dom2.0]

@w3althyburrito792 how many does Kobe have? Voted awards domt really mean anything because of the politics behind them. Yall cry snub and this n that every single year on mvp and all star stuff but you can understand? Weird...

[@Poweboy]

No kd is not in the debate

[@fashionlife5348]

He is the goat

[@JPK169]

L

[@gillroygarlic3616]

He is. People keep whining cause he went to the warriors and got support from all stars. Lebron got kyrie, the big three Kobe got shaq Jordan got pippen and rodman Etc Kd joined a white hot team and should’ve got a 3peat. That’s goat status convo.

[@LinkTheKink]

how is that goat status u joined the best team in the league what r u going on about kd has 2 fmps in like 16 years in the league hes trash all he can do is score midrange pullup or 3 its not impressive u should see how many 34 ppg seasons mj has or 37 ppg hes not even a better scorer than luka LOL luka averaging 28.5 for a career w 73 point game kd is 27.2 with 55 highest scoring game hes not a better scorer than kareem, embiid, wilt, mj, kobe etc@@gillroygarlic3616

[@rankyb8088]

He wanted to be in th convo, he got in and the people said NO

[@johnhill762]

Shaq’s opinion is actually reasonable here. Shaq is in the special category “one of the most dominant players” (along with Wilt). And KD is in the special category “one of the most prolific scorers” (along with MJ and Wilt). I can agree with that.

[@davidwilliamson8502]

Kobe and Mike were first team all defensive like 12+ times each.

[@McRib_is_Bck]

Kobe wasn’t

[@abrahamasseffa386]

Kobe holds the record for most first team all defensive selections and the most amongst gaurds in total selections. Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, Garnett and Bryant share the record for most NBA All-Defensive first team selections with nine. Kobe Bryant has made a total of 12 All-Defensive teams, more than any other guard. Wiki it.

[@lazndora2026]

*9

[@Kalinbuggs]

@@McRib_is_Bckboth weren’t Kobe & MJ 9x 1st team all d and Kobe has 12 total

[@2kgrindtime]

No not true

[@jonathanblaze1648]

Denver is the reigning NBA Champions with 1 superstar. That era is not over. A few years ago Milwaukee did the same.

[@Patton001]

You crazy if you think Murray isn’t a superstar. Same with Parker /Ginobli/ Kawai, I consider all nba defense players superstars

[@TheRulersBack18]

@@Patton001 murray ain't made an all-star team, much less an all-nba team. he's a really good player tho

[@josephokorie3642]

@@Patton001thats an all star caliber player but he hasn’t made it yet now bucks is different being that middleton was also an all star

[@MeTakingAStand]

one superstar yes but the entire team is so good and so deep. also Murray is close, particularly how he plays in the playoffs.

[@joshuajap]

Facts anyone who disagrees is ignorant

[@FBAKTdaGoat]

Its not JUST that he lost and joined GS.. Its the fact that GS was LITERALLY the best team EVER record wise BEFORE he joined them.. Between Steph realizing what happened to them vs Cleveland, and KD wanting to stop losing to LB so much.. They both made a decision to get over him and it honestly only killed KDs legacy..

[@blinkonce29]

If you look at KDs teammates over his career... We've never seen him by himself ever

[@Christopher._M]

If you didn't just roster watch you would know he's had more injuries to his roster than any all time great. In his 17 year career that is 16 years played because he missed one entire year due to the ACL. He's had 1 or 2 starters injured in the playoffs 6 different seasons and missed 3 playoff years basically. So in 16 years he's really only had 7 years to win a chip. 2-3 of those were when he was under 22 years old.

[@Imightslapyou]

No one is ever by themselves tbh it’s a team sport 😂

[@blinkonce29]

@@Imightslapyou I know , that's my point I've never seen what he looks like with out a stacked roster. Jordan and Kobe were putting up God like numbers. LeBron was dragging subpar teams to the finals. Durant hasn't done anything spectacular or note worthy outside of the finals run with OKC and the Warriors. He has no real playoff moments whatsoever. His toe being on the 3 point line ?? Maybe lol like seriously Durant hasn't done anything memorable. He has no iconic moments

[@blinkonce29]

@@Christopher._M You are missing my point, Durant doesn't have any memorable moments in the playoffs or anything spectacular whatsoever. All you did was list a bunch of excuses. I'm those moments are what I'm talking about when he didn't have a loaded roster he didn't over come it. He didn't do what Jordan, Kobe and Bron did and literally beat the odds. 2 of the worst Rosters ever to make the finals had LeBron on the team. Jordan was winning everything but a title. We watched Kobe drop 81 and literally ball his Achilles off getting his teams in the playoffs and going to the finals. Durant has no signature moment in his NBA career other than going to the warriors. What's his career defining moment.

[@blinkonce29]

@@Christopher._M And I don't just roster watch buddy I watch basketball. You didn't even address what I said just listed an career injury report instead of addressing what I said. We never seen KD have to carry a team ever.

[@melvintolbert8345]

KD is one of the greatest basketball players to touch the basketball. Lead the league in scoring for many years as a new player in the league.

[@Melanated1ne]

That simple 💯💯

[@ekeneedebeatu2595]

They just making excuses to not put him in that conversation

[@penkima4923]

@@ekeneedebeatu2595 KD doesn't have many excuses to be in the conversation.

[@colinnixon7739]

True. But he not a goat 😂

[@slamdunk2270]

LeBron compared to KD has: - a better point per game average - a better field goal percentage - on more games played (so more difficult) … and yet he’s not seen as much as a great scorer as KD ! 😂 KD is just the eye test: scoring on jumpers with this height and fluidity, got everyone thinking he’s unstoppable while the only time he was truly unstoppable and proved it to be until winning the chip was with the Warriors when opponents had to guard Curry and Thompson on the same floor 💀 KD is no where near the GOAT debate. Not even top 15 in my book.

[@viciousjerm]

Russell’s loyalty/respect over shadows KD’s goat

[@ojoj5194]

AND how many playoffs series russ won when kd move n bro?

[@hddh3221]

@@ojoj5194tell him again😭😭

[@archieherrington9955]

How many did durant win withought being on a 73 win team exactly he has won jackshit withought the warriors so your argument is stupid especially considering he went to the team that beat him in the playoffs ​@ojoj5194

[@ojoj5194]

@@archieherrington9955 the same 82-0 team that blow 3-1 haha keep goin. now my question how many curry won without klay rapstors and green cavs? make sure ur master make the play-in. buy the way no starting on ASG

[@hooprealm]

Just saying shii atp… Russ isn’t even in the discussion

[@TheRealMichaelP]

People act like George Gervin never existed…..

[@jlui21]

-- Craziest shot? The Iceman's finger roll. Kareem has the most unstoppable hook shot. Best footwork? Hakeem. Curry? Has the range. MJ? The Goat. KD...he's talented and is a Top 20 player, but nah bruh. He's Charmin soft.

[@jan279]

KD taller with better handles and better shooting than Gervin, stop it.

[@TheRealMichaelP]

@@jan279 Gervin wasn’t allowed to carry the rock either

[@jan279]

@@TheRealMichaelP Yeah, and he played against dudes who sniffed coke, drank beer, and smoked cigarettes before games that were tape delayed. Try again, oldhead.

[@TeamDreg]

Met Bill a couple months ago at my work. Super cool dude and was exactly the way he is on camera, off camera. Salute to a cool dude!

[@distinctgaming8717]

imagine going to the best team and being the best. Wild to think that

[@user-yd7jb9qg5h]

Shaq won 4 championships and was one of the main reason he won. Golden states won a championship before KD and after KD and KD didn’t win shit without golden states

[@danteprice1874]

Case closed 💯

[@Spud_E_Buddy]

KD is a bad man, no debate there, but he hasn’t played enough elite level defense IMO for me to consider him in the GOAT conversation. Same thing for Steph.

[@kelahamutenya3217]

Defense lmao you narrative shifters make up any criteria

[@TheMidnightSun33]

Neither has Lebron lol Lebron gets scored on a lot btw

[@kelahamutenya3217]

@@TheMidnightSun33 tell me any great player in history of the entire game that doesnt get scored on? This is the NBA can we stop acting this isn't normal. We act like every great player got defense like Ben Wallace. LeBron has the most iconic defensive plays in the most critical moments in the playoffs he is not a liability.

[@Spud_E_Buddy]

@@kelahamutenya3217 “Narrative shifter”? 😂 Why, because my reasoning does match yours? You have your opinion, and I have mine. It’s okay to have different opinions my friend.

[@tbjb009]

Shaq should the last one calling anyone sensitive....😂

[@Carbinatedfartt]

Lmfaoo kd get off that burner man, it’s obvious.

[@52inchvert]

Shaq and Mike is crazy let’s start there. 🤩🤩🤩🔥🔥🔥 8 rings

[@FearVampToons]

Shaq over whoopin

[@user-xb4fm5rx8h]

@@FearVampToonsJ Mane got me sayin “let’s start there!” Lol😂😂😂

[@edwinbrown2148]

Shaq right on the money. If every superstar player join a team that just beat them in the playoffs, it would be the same thing KD did.

[@pedroramirez0824]

Funny how they say he’s one of the most dominant prolific scorers but yet his career highs or scoring stretches don’t say the same. Kobe 6 straight 50 point games, 2 60 point games in a week, 81, averaged 45+ for a entire month. More 40, 50,60,70 point games than KD

[@thegoatproduction6054]

As far as efficiency kd is one of the best, he barely misses.

[@michaellewis9490]

Because he doesn’t need 35 shots to do so he gets 40 on 17-19 shots regularly 😭😭 like it’s actually common sense top 8 scoring all time not even top 25 missed field goals all time but you can guess where Kobe is on that all time missed shots list 😭😭 numero uno by faaaar

[@lovetownsend]

Shaq is right, KD in a different category. Plus his achievements kinda diminished by the fact he had the 2 best shooters in history on his team

[@Patroclus]

Shaq played for damn near half the teams in the NBA. What does he mean "if I knew I could jump around.."

[@themoviereviewwarriors939]

He played for them once he was over the hill. He did not go any place in his prime. Also Shaq is not calling himself the goat.

[@Pashhhh456a]

Imagine KD being ur goat 😂😂😂😂

[@ojoj5194]

KD is the goat for his fans, stop the hate here my best players ever: 1Bobby sura, Mj, Kobe, Sprewell, shaq, AI, Hill, Penny,Mcdyes, Kemp, Bron, Kd, payton.

[@2kgrindtime]

He's mine

[@albertdaley9093]

😂😂😂facts lebron to imagine sayin lebron your goat 😂😂😂 him kd def not no goats

[@LinkTheKink]

1 league mvp 2 rings 2 fmps because joined top 3 team all-time in 16 seasons lmfao kd is trash dude has played with ibaka,harden,westbrook,kyrie,steph,klay,dray,dbook and has that to show for it hes not even top 10 wtf there are like 5 players with 5 rings who are all ahead of him

[@Untitledt]

If you appreciate basketball he is

[@sleezzo]

i agree with lou, it was the timing & my problem was you went to a team that beat you

[@DANNYxBOY9089]

Timing aside he went to a team that broke the regular season win record. Not a GOAT move

[@MrColeBeans]

They said if KD win next year it changes the convo? I don’t think so, he’s on another super team with the suns and Devin Booker is arguably the #1 shooting guard in the league. Beal is also top 5.

[@gumption2967]

Stop moving the goal post yall said if curry had to win one more to get in that convo an he did he deserves it just admit it yall hate kd because he beat lebron twice in the finals and I hope he win one more so yall can hate even more

[@Jp2timezz]

@@gumption2967 on god😂😂

[@colinnixon7739]

​@@gumption2967curry won as the main dude. And without KD. Multiple times 😂

[@michaellewis9490]

@@colinnixon7739 i think Andrew Wiggins was the main dude that year they almost missed the layoffs without him 😂😂😂

[@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749]

😂 these fools always downplay the cowardly move KD made

[@lvpradagucci5539]

Is wasn't goofy he wanted to for golden state who cares get a life and stop hating its lame goofy

[@realrocg2509]

So what was lebron move??? 😂

[@taylor860gang]

​@realrocg2509 I hate LeBron but did he join a championship team????

[@Kev_-qm1je]

@@realrocg2509Bron has WON 🏆 every where he’s played… can’t say the same for KD

[@davidrichards3255]

@realrocg2509 The heat were trash the year before bron went there. KD went to a dynasty.

[@damienjones3970]

Did anyone notice when asked about Payton and Malone Shaq said “Yea I did forget”😂 Shots fired!

[@DontWannaBe]

Idk how that guy called it a superteam though... Malone was 40, Horace was 38, Payton was 35.... These guys were all way past their primes. And this is in an era where most guys were retired by that age.

[@dimas.408]

@@DontWannaBejust because they were past their prime doesn’t mean they weren’t great, Karl Malone was averaging 20,7,4 before joining the lakers & Payton 19,3,7, that’s literally insane for old dudes at the time but they got injured which caused them a title

[@marvinmccoy6836]

No one could ever do it themselves, there was never a person to win a championship in a team sport by themselves

[@gratitude8959]

i know i didnt just hear shaq call someone else sensitive

[@3MUnique]

He’s right; We’ve never seen a guy with his talent be up 3-1 to a team in the playoffs, lose and then go join them. FOH!!!! That killed ur ascent from jump. Talking about wrong time to go to GS like he got traded there or he wasn’t in control of the narrative.

[@dexterjsullen]

As a kd fan i feel like he has under achieve of what hes capable of doing, the man can drop 40pts every game, if he demands the ball or you trash talk him.

[@lovetownsend]

The last point is 10000% correct "Everyone's too good now" its true, everybody is a beast now coming out, you need superteams to win (unless u 2016 caliviers)

[@penkima4923]

The players are worse than ever today. A super-team hasn't won the championship in 5 seasons.

[@lovetownsend]

legit don't have any idea what ur talking about@@penkima4923

[@themoviereviewwarriors939]

Most of these guys are not half as good as we think. No one can lay a pinkie finger on them. Let them play in the 80s or 90s and it would be a different story.

[@iank3924]

Cavs had Lebron, Kyrie, and Kevin Love. All 3 were top 10 players in the league at the same time. Are you high or a small child?

[@kouleeofficial]

All of what he did in the way he did it eliminated his goat convo. He was in the thunders and had a 3-1 lead over the GSW in the playoffs. They came back and won, and the very next year, he went to their team.

[@livefromthemotherland]

If bron didn’t get disqualified for joining Miami then playing with kyrie and k love , then kd isn’t disqualified from the convo. He’d just have to get more championships

[@enochbeats5313]

KD joined a team that wit 73-9 and knocked him out of the playoffs, Lebron joined a Miami and a Cleveland team that was garbage the year before he went there, no comparison lol

[@LouiHimDuncan]

@@enochbeats5313 exactly niggas always want to bring Bron up lmao 😂. People don’t even realize by time Bron joined Miami wade was already on a downward turn due to injuries. Bron & Bosh kept wade in the league a couple more years imo 🤷🏽

[@livefromthemotherland]

@@enochbeats5313 that straw man argument y’all use doesn’t work anymore. Fact is he stacked the deck. And the heat won a championship. Wade got injured so they were below 500 and he came back and they were a playoff team. Enough of the narrative that bron dragged trash to the finals. He builds a all star squad wherever he goes and beats weaker competition

[@Melanated1ne]

@@livefromthemotherlandon top of that wasn’t kd and steph the new school to lebron and if he teamed up on both of them it makes sense for kd and steph to show lebron a lesson and team up on him what goes around comes around

[@livefromthemotherland]

@@Melanated1ne facts. Kd was getting his get back for that thunder loss against the heat

[@michaeljamesflores1645]

Definitely, KD is the GOAT of the weakest mind in NBA History for going to the Warriors. Period!!!

[@MuwopDuwop]

Nobody saying lebrons move to Miami don’t put him in the Goat debate so why isn’t KD talked about lmao

[@michaeljamesflores1645]

@Muwopduwop cuz miami back then was not a 73 wins team and a team that came back from a 3-1 lead against KD a yr b4. Pay attention my man. So you won't sound so ignorant.

[@MuwopDuwop]

@@michaeljamesflores1645 lebron did the same thing tho it don’t matter if he went to 73 win team or not and if LeBron don’t join Miami you would never see KD in a warriors jersey you can blame lebron for that nobody being ignorant it’s straight facts Lebron joined a team that was already a championship contender once he joined that put the icing on the cake they didn’t need lebron lebron needed them same thing with KD we could’ve still won ships without KD we would’ve still had the best bench for years to come but we got rid of the entire bench if anyone sound ignorant it ain’t me

[@michaeljamesflores1645]

@MuwopDuwop 🤣🤣🤣 Not gonna waste my time on you man. 23 likes means 23 got it but you🤣🤣🤣. But I got you dude. Really... Another Lebron hater...tsk tsk have a nice life bro😉

[@MuwopDuwop]

@@michaeljamesflores1645 they both did the same shit your just a miserable keyboard warrior bro 😂

[@AsianCajunCaucasian]

I wonder if the Drexler's and Barkley's would've been in the GOAT conversation if they one a chip as the bus driver & another as the co-bus rider vs. Jordan's 6. Individual talent aside, winning chips in a team sport should mean something unless it's 1v1 goat. Part of being it is bringing the team there in a team sport.

[@kelahamutenya3217]

Drexler and Barkley are the reason MJ was the GOAT in the 90's they were the easiest rivals any GOAT has ever had.

[@penkima4923]

@@kelahamutenya3217 Drexler and Barkley were equally good with KD. MJ faced both once in the finals, so I wouldn't call them rivals.

[@kelahamutenya3217]

@@penkima4923 what other players in his size were really his rivals ?

[@penkima4923]

@@kelahamutenya3217 As a team, I'd say the Pistons was the biggest rival. It was in the late 80's and early 90's. Joe Dumars might've weighed almost the same, and was possibly as strong as MJ, but was shorter. Mark Aguirre and Adrian Dantley were MJ's height, but I think they were matched up with Pippen. Not sure if the Jazz was a rival team, but at least they faced the Bulls twice in the finals. Bryon Russell was the closest to MJ's size.

[@kelahamutenya3217]

@@penkima4923 no dispute you are correct my brother. The point i was trying to make was the names you mentioned dont jump off the page, that is why I was of the opinion that MJ didnt have competition at his position for close to a decade,

[@lightsout49]

Great convo fellas got my sub 💪🏾

[@jumpingonoffthejet9377]

1 or the greatest HELL YEAH ! Before the Warriors he was already 1st ballot Hall OF Fame.

[@colinnixon7739]

HoF and goat are unrelated.

[@jumpingonoffthejet9377]

@@colinnixon7739 Who cares he’s still one of the greatest to touch a basketball. Allen Iverson is considered one of the greatest and he had ZERO RINGS. I can go down the list. You’re a moron if you think other wise.

[@checkanr138]

outro is WAY too loud, pls fix, thx

[@Rico_Flamez]

Kd so talented that kobe had to figure out that he couldnt guard him , come on man the numbers he was putting up on that golden state team is ridiuclous i salute him a ribg is a ring

[@JAYSPLASHMUSIC]

what does that have to do with KD being in Goat convo? Hes never lead a team to a championship...

[@HARVEY_1988]

@@JAYSPLASHMUSICwarriors wasn’t beating Lebron again after 2016.. you forget Steph Clay Dray Steve Kerr and the GM flew to the Hamptons begging him to join their squad… They needed him

[@JAYSPLASHMUSIC]

@@HARVEY_1988 again, what does that have to do with the goat debate? The Warriors took them to 7 and were up 3. Who knows what would happen next season w/o KD. Point is KD doesnt have enough post season success as the LEADER every team he LEADS he gets beat. Just facts hes a top 11-15 player alltime

[@quartpurp9798]

A ring is a ring yet y’all discredit Lebron’s bubble ring lmao

[@andrewhudsonthegreatest9923]

You’re proving nothing

[@artgrad]

All KD needs is ONE where he's the bus driver and he's in that conversation??? We're really diluting our standards to have anyone in the GOAT conversation at this point.

[@EternityReal]

AI could’ve been in this conversation too if he joined the Bulls or Shaq 😂

[@Marcus-xu7hn]

….you say that like he’s not AI lmao

[@fashionlife5348]

Ai is top 15

[@enochbeats5313]

@@fashionlife5348AI not top 15 lol

[@colinnixon7739]

Unlikely. He joined melo in Denver (a team that was in the west finals) and AI was still averaging 30 the year he was trade there. Then 26 ppg two seasons soooo....

[@MmaMadman85]

Lets just put it this way, there are a lot of players that don't have certain team achievements and that is supposed to keep them out of the conversation when there are a lot of players that are severely overrated simply because of the teams they were on or the time period they played in.

[@MySaviorJesus7]

I didn't know Shaq and Bill Bellamy are cousins! 😂

[@emmanuela7528]

I will never understand why Americans talk about basketball like it’s a one-on-one sport. KD didn’t lose to GSW; the Oklahoma City Thunder lost to GSW. It’s not tennis or boxing. The team or organisation you are on has a lot to do with how your career turns out. Jordan didn’t win until Jerry Krause started putting good teams together. If Kerr and Paxson don’t hit those clutch shots, who knows what would have happened? Kobe didn’t win post-Shaq until the front office brought in Gasol and Odom and Artest plus Bynum’s maturation. Steph couldn’t win without Dray and Klay and Iggy. In 2022, they needed a totally out-of-nowhere performance from Andrew effing Wiggins to win. Absolutely no one wins any team sport by themselves. OKC kept surrounding KD with non-shooters in the pace-and-space era. The Warriors, on the other hand, gave Curry his pick-and-roll dance partner (Dray), defenders who could shoot (Iggy, Barnes, Wiggins), and a fellow flamethrower in Klay. San Antonio kept finding the right guys to pair with Duncan outside Manu and Tony. No individual player can ever outperform his team’s incompetence, and KD couldn’t outperform playing heavy minutes with Dion Waiters and Andre Roberson. It is what it is.

[@airjoshy]

Could you imagine Shaq and Mj!?

[@K-xb2qz]

2 3 peats without Shaq so I'd say 6 in a row with Shaq. 😊

[@colinnixon7739]

It wouldn't happen. Jordan contract was too big. They couldn't get both under one roof.

[@MeTakingAStand]

KD is both one of the most skilled and talented players we've ever seen, but also he's one of the luckiest. He goes from a team with MVP Westbrook and Harden to the arguably greatest team ever assembled to a team with Kyrie and Harden to a team with CP3 and Booker to a team with Booker and Brad Beal. It's so hard to say any player is the GOAT when they've consistently had one of basketball's best casts around them.

[@Taytay_moneyup]

Shaq in Chicago 😳😳😳 would’ve been crazy

[@jawaunHayes-fb4pe]

Lou made a great point. Not the fact kd went to golden state. The timing of it.

[@playamade100]

KD is some special but we had many of Him...bron, kobe Jordan is à different breed ...

[@andrehoward558]

What😂😂😂😂

[@Melanated1ne]

@@andrehoward558many of Kd’s? Lol 😂

[@andrehoward558]

@@Melanated1ne ppl just be saying any thing

[@Sadsmileyfaceproduci]

We have not had many of KD at all, in fact no 7 footer player has had his level of abilities yet

[@TheJourneyofAll]

KD is gonna forever be tarnished by the GS move. If he wins another chip or 2, it's not gonna diminish what he did before. The off the court internet stuff doesn't help either

[@MadTokes]

KD is no where close

[@JerryWest-b8y]

Why cause you have feelings for lebron

[@quartpurp9798]

⁠​⁠@@JerryWest-b8yget off brons jockstrap😂 dude joined a team he lost to, argument out the window

[@4thqtrmarlomarlo831]

Kd played his self

[@JerryWest-b8y]

@@quartpurp9798 lesweep

[@oliveranthis9069]

Shaq would he ahead of KD in this discussion.

[@kennethanderson2988]

KD is great. But, he doesn’t deserve to be in that convo. He took the term you can’t beat em join em to a new level.

[@mitchellleavell4263]

The NBA players who say that KD ain’t this & that because he went to Golden State after they beat him. Like Rodman went to the Bulls after the Bulls took over the Pistons so that hoping teams been around💯

[@jairwest5]

Not the same thing at all tf 😂

[@mitchellleavell4263]

@@jairwest5 why not?

[@taylor860gang]

​@@mitchellleavell4263lmfao because Rodman was a rebounder and defensive player.

[@AuthorLothian]

Let's try Chris Paul, he was up 3- 1 with the Clippers and the year after went to the Rockets.

[@mitchellleavell4263]

@@AuthorLothian that’s a good example too

[@Brocman]

"Ain't no one superstar winners no more" ... Giannis: "say what?!"

[@TafariTalk]

If KD is in the convo than AI is too

[@Jp2timezz]

Fuck no 😂😂

[@TafariTalk]

@@Jp2timezz exactly. Fuck no

[@Jp2timezz]

@@TafariTalk ai not even in KD class bro be fr ai not even top 25 & im not hating that’s facts💯

[@andrewhudsonthegreatest9923]

@@Jp2timezzwithout the warriors, KD’s resume is similar to AI’s….both only have 1 MVP and 4 scoring titles

[@becomingthenext6904]

Man even if he wins with his current situation it don’t count bro on a crazy team again

[@KDogduval]

Most ppl...esp BRONstanians (LeMedia included)..hate on KD bcuz he went to GS and helped beat the breaks off of Bron 2WICE. Slammin the door in his face w/them clutch daggers while doing it. It's that simple💯

[@Fatta007]

go look how bron use to do before the warriors and after

[@mrandithankyou]

YEah steph had to go recruit KD to beat JUST lebron. Not the cavs...but Lebron lol. And Lebron was the better both loses. You are a casual lol

[@KDogduval]

@@mrandithankyou Right on Q...u one one them whining azz Mfs I'm talm bout.🤣 "But...but..Steph had to recruit KD to beat Bron". Butcha azz ain't talm bout how Bron recruited KD to Clev too huh? FOH...idgaf bout dat shyt u talkin. All these years later and u STILL mad KD went to GS and went to work on Bron'nem. If he joined Bron instead ya azz woulda been clapping like a lil school girl.🤣🤣🤣

[@kelahamutenya3217]

what you are basically saying is that LBJ would have had more chips if they didnt come together I think that is the highest compliment you can give to Bron. You are most likely an MJ psychophant so this was also good in stoping Bron from eclipsing 6 chips I see your reasoning well done.

[@KDogduval]

@@kelahamutenya3217 Whatever helps u sleep at night hamute boy.🤣 ya man has had more help than any superstar in the history of NBA ball and is STILL "Chasing the Ghost that played in Chicago"..his own words. So continue to chase w/him.

[@livefromthemotherland]

KD gotta get two clean rings (the opposing team isn’t injured ) as the head guy to be in the Goat convo

[@gumption2967]

Bullshit

[@jawaunHayes-fb4pe]

How they give kd a hard time aboit goin to gs but nobody say shit about lebron goin to miami? Smh

[@pernellgary2403]

😂 mind bad

[@quartpurp9798]

Cause it ain’t the same doofus, nba fans are dum😂

[@alexescutia4805]

Lebron was burned to the ground after that move until he started winning after Miami while kd aint been out the second round since golden state

[@tankeater]

You get removed out of the GOAT conversation when you need to jump from team to team to ring chase... Sorry KD, Sorry LeBRONZ... GOATS don't jump ship like cowards do.

[@theloxfamily2862]

I put kd in conversations with Bird, shaq, hakeem etc......not quite goat status.....but transcendent and better than everyone else

[@colinnixon7739]

All their careers are done. If they not already your goat they can't be.

[@tommyjoe136]

Y'all on crack. KD wouldn't have a ring without GSW. He is NOT in the conversation. Until he wins with his own team he is just a good player. Shaq did it, Kobe did it, LeBron did it. KD??

[@srtghost3842]

KD raised Steph higher on the GOAT list and bumped himself down. The GS state move was the worst possible decision at that time, if he would’ve went to another top team and won 2 rings he would be ranked higher than Steph.

[@peezydabeatmonster8112]

steph raised himself on the goat list Steph got disrespected more with kd til he won again without him Steph raised kd higher in every conversation he dont belong in without Steph kd is in the ringless conversation

[@Project_N89]

bro KD cannot win anything without being carried by the warriors and their amazing team. it is a fact unless proven otherwise!

[@penkima4923]

KD and Steph played on the same team in their primes, and KD turned out to be the better player.

[@Project_N89]

KD is only even in any nba convesation, forget about GOAT , because of steph and the warriors. He never was in the GOAT list. Only KD fanboys put him there. Also, KD cannot win without warriors. He still has not. People acting like he would have won anywhere else are delusional at best.

[@peezydabeatmonster8112]

@@Project_N89 facts idiot's like to compare what KD look like on Gsw while needing Curry help but forget he choked 3-1 to curry when they had they own teams

[@S1MEONTV]

Shaq been on like 10 nba teams talm bout I didn’t know that was acceptable

[@cheetahturner4576]

6teams least few he was old just lookin for ring but his prime 3teams orlando,lakers,heat

[@ownthelibs]

When he was old

[@alejandrorojas2253]

😂

[@hodgelive]

idc. kd is the best offensive player in history. his career hasn’t lived up to the likes of lebron or mj, but 1on1 he beats anybody.

[@jaobille79]

MJ beats him 1on1. Kawhi can too

[@anirudhranjan2934]

Too bad, cuz Basketball is a team game. He can be the best Iso player but he can still lose. Cuz its a 5 man game.

[@Enzo-tg8uo]

best offensive player in history ??? Lmao 🤣

[@colinnixon7739]

Jordan and wilt are literally better scorers 😂

[@seshadhri_s]

"We''ve never seen anything like it" is not a real argument. By that logic, we have never seen anyone like Wemby before. Should he be in the GOAT conversation already as a rookie? STFU.

[@D15-b8j]

Shoutout Lou will

[@mambalevel1017]

The fact the warriors drafted those guys and paid KD the same as what Harrison Barnes signed for….. Only proves the lebron fans are salty as fuck. His 2 moves were worse than KD but he’s a born choke artist!!! Even with team USA he got bronze

[@yousefreno2089]

Him joining the warriors and joining back to back to back super teams to ring chase ruined his entire career. KD is someone you want to play like but you don’t want to follow his footsteps

[@blbl3696]

Anyone saying Gary Payton and Karl Malone along with Shaq and Kobe where a Super team is beyond ridiculous Karl and Gary where not even all Stars at that stage of there careers they where beginning to ride of in the Sun set

[@lvpradagucci5539]

I know kd he was going to golden state even if okc won the chip because he said the goldenstate system was hes dream to play for steph klay just a all round team that passes the basketball thats unguardable

[@BigDawgBoy]

Everybody focus on his decision making . That has nothing to do with talent. He a goat . Because he would give your favorite player 50 .

[@davidwilliams5854]

Not if your favorite player is Tatum I saw Tatum shut him down in the playoffs 😂😂😂

[@sleyterdelacruz1965]

He only dropped 55 1 time lol

[@BigDawgBoy]

@@sleyterdelacruz1965 drop 50 9 different times what are you saying?

[@colinnixon7739]

So could AI. So could melo. So could wilt. So could tmac. Scoring is like the main thing most hof do 😂😂

[@BigDawgBoy]

@@colinnixon7739 okay what’s your point? Because I’m taking KD over all of them you just name?

[@grider411]

Just two years ago Steph won as the only Superstar on the Warriors!

[@Snaparachi]

KD should be in this conversation

[@Julian-rt9qs]

You don't have to do it alone, just don't fail to do it after being up 3-1 in the conference finals...don't expect credit for doing it when you join the team you blew the Conference Finals lead to...don't expect credit when you do it playing alongside the winningest regular season team ever + the first unanimous MVP in league history.

[@justineebourgeois3420]

KD is def part of the GOAT convo. 2 back to back rings as the best player, on the best team 🤷‍♀️

[@saiyaninfuture]

He joined a team that beat him bro

[@gumballwaterson1957]

Every other top 10 player except for Duncan and Wilt can say the exact same thing and more. GOAT means greatest of all time. How tf KD got a case for best player in the NBA has ever seen when he hasn't accomplished more than at least 10 other players?

[@justineebourgeois3420]

@@gumballwaterson1957 KD is much more skilled than Duncan, & Wilt faced farmers and plumbers 🤷‍♀️.

[@justineebourgeois3420]

@@saiyaninfuture The Warriors needed KD to defeat LeBron 🤷‍♀️

[@gumballwaterson1957]

@@justineebourgeois3420 The current NBA finals MVP brags about being a farmer. So a farmer is waxing the league right now. KD can't beat the big slow white farmer right now. At least Wilt beat the ones he played against since we trying to play that game.

[@karzanrundownn]

Before yall say shaq don’t like kd you wrong he don’t respect his decision as a dominant player

[@severenowoods5471]

To say KD is not one of the greatest is not hating. Plain and simple he doesn’t deserve goat status.

[@lvpradagucci5539]

Then lebron doesn't either he lost to kd twice in the finals u sound stupid fool

[@Comictalent]

KD is fantastic, but he’s the 3rd most accomplished player of his own generation. Conversation is over right there…

[@ar3t33]

Nah that cheap move to the warriors changed everything for the worse for him despite being goat talented

[@jordanwilliams5245]

Saying someone ain’t the goat ain’t disrespect. And we got to stop putting everyone on the goat debate Cuz everyone adding someone just cuz they do something different Goat debate MJ v.s JORDAN That’s it

[@adeadele-nz6xt]

Dude Thanks for checking shaq . He played on superteams

[@ownthelibs]

Not in his prime

[@auronedgevicks7739]

Yea sure this is the "me too" era, everyone gets a prize. Everyone is special even if they have no accolades

[@deejaay]

The diff with KD vs The Goats! They were leaders with great support/role players. KD isn't a leader (not in a negative way) he is a hooper. He wants to just hoop with other good hoopers and win games to a chip. He was very lucky and fortunate as a hooper to play with great basketball players in S.C, and K.T with great supporting role players. On paper, I honestly believe K.I, J.H and K.D had an opportunity to win a chip. But, those 3 guys are hoopers. If one of the three were basketball players with leadership type focus, they could've won a chip. I think ppl want K.D to be that MJ-like guy and he's not. He's a GOAT in his own realm as a best hooper the NBA has scene with his skills.

[@KAUTIONMUZIC]

KD is further from the GOAT than a tesla in the city limits. Shaq himself is higher than KD and Shaq is not top 5 on my list. So where does that leave King Diva I mean KD.

[@AriJordan]

the difference between KD and the greatest is that he doesn't give his all every night and it shows. He's a skilled scorer and one of the best at being an unguardable scorer but the GOAT hell no this is also what I hate. Lebron can switch teams when he's losing and get players traded that benefit him(which is why he has 4 rings) but people are mad at KD for going to GS It's like people care about rings until it doesn't fit a certain narrative.

[@bigbaggs1989]

Glad somebody said it. Shaq had some of the best teammates any superstar has had.

[@ownthelibs]

Not in his prime

[@bigbaggs1989]

@@ownthelibs 🧐 man what? 😂😂

[@ownthelibs]

@@bigbaggs1989young 21 year old Kobe lol.

[@mdelg030]

If KD is in the conversation, Shaq is in the conversation. And KD hasn’t surpassed Shaq yet. Shaq is underrated.

[@TheRulersBack18]

crazy how ppl are committed to misunderstanding shaq lmao. if shaq left the magic to join the bulls after the 96 season, or if lebron left the cavs to join the celtics after the 2010 season, or if mj joined the magic after the 95 season, these would've been comparable to what durant did. that's why it's nuts and not the same as kg/allen coming to boston or lebron/bosh going to miami, etc.

[@Miguel17764]

I like how outta nowwhere Lou Will is gone and they got Shaq’s cousin.

[@colinnixon7739]

Just like the real nba

[@busterdog321]

Shaq is one of the MOSTA sensitive guys around. People have made slight jokes or even random comments about things he has loose ties too at best and he just jumps right on it like people have directly attacked him.

[@josephkanu2778]

Even if KD wins at phoenix he’s not their clear cut best player Booker is not giving up his drivers seat like steph did Booker wants the accolades his peers are getting, he knows he’s good and he feels he’s even better than he is rated. KD did not lead a team built around him to the championship You have to do that at least twice

[@peezydabeatmonster8112]

lol i was just thinking everything u said if they make a finals kd fans gone be sick bc booker is not gonna Step back for kd to feel comfortable like steph and its gone be funny

[@BancoBlu]

"never seen this before " phrase is overused .. that doesn’t give someone the right to be thrown in the goat convo.. never seen a spud Webb before does that mean he should be in the goat for being 5ft funzine dunking and running down the floor competing with 6ft+ players ?😂😂😂

[@PSOnoni]

I am stealing this lmao

[@colinnixon7739]

I'm looking at KDs list of accomplishments. Outside the regular all star stuff that most all stars get. It's not impressive 😂 He has the typical HOF career you'd expect, he's a legend like Walt Clyde Frazier and James worthy. Maybe a little bit in the top 5 SF? DEFINITELY NOT A GOAT 😂