‘Gerrard Was A WAY Better Player Than Lampard!’ | Hot Takes

Who was a better football player? Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard? Feel free to get involved in this hot take and many more in the comments below!
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[@RoryJenningsFootball]

Love this! Was an honour to be on. Thanks for having me, chaps.

[@roberttaylor6343]

I'll watch any video with you in it mate. Full fledged fan of yours.

[@archielong9523]

Terrible Hazard opinion mate, other than that good to see u on this

[@rokohrstic5113]

Be in every single one you can, Liban is a joke.

[@bethanya1]

would love to see you in more videos, great takes!

[@ajayhullait1004]

If you were talking about the ballon dor then in my opinion gerrard getting top 10 3 times including 3rd is more impressive for me then coming 2nd and being in the top 10 once.

[@afzx01]

Rory should come on more often, he has good ball knowledge and gives unbiased answers which makes the show more engaging tbh

[@MichaelCoughlan.]

Fr sharky and Sean are the most biased

[@Lukas-ow7ow]

doesn’t posses ball knowledge he’s a dinosaur

[@Ryan-ey6sj]

@@MichaelCoughlan. Shaun isn’t sharky and the other donny next to sharky are clueless

[@stylebreaks757]

@@Ryan-ey6sj u dont even know the bruddas name? 😂 You dont have the right to Call him out cuz

[@asianwarrior2193]

sharky is very very biased when it comes to arsenal, shaun is just deluded and will literally just say things that are completely false to fit his agendas or 'prove' his points and starz just doesn't know anything about football, can't believe he's still on the podcast tbh

[@alfiebernhardt6604]

Rory gives this show a perfect balance get him on as often as possible

[@Ballerism]

Get smaller youtubers on as often as possible.

[@nasrumohamed4908]

@@hamiltonwhyte2350 aired

[@DS-dw3pz]

Not really because he said only Saka would get in

[@imaginations6604]

These episodes are so good with Shaun and Rory, keep em on pls.

[@donkingbong420]

Should keep these 2 as regular as others

[@Aydee9r]

@@donkingbong420 nah its more funny with shaun and liban/ilyas

[@bismarkyeboah70]

The problem with Wenger was, after 2006, no one can confidently claim that the players he had were better than the players Chelsea, Utd, and Lipool. Wenger was literally fighting with his hand at his back. Let’s be frank, if Wenger had still been able to spend money, he would have been more competitive

[@madmoxxi7397]

You say that as if wenger didn’t have money He did He might not have had better squads but he spent the money and spent it poorly which was on him

[@bismarkyeboah70]

@@madmoxxi7397 he did not after 2006. You really think Arsene Wenger would not have spent money like he did initially to compete with Mourinho. After they built Emirates, Arsenal never bought any great players. Your claim will be valid if prior to building Emirates Wenger did not buy good players but that is not the case. Before Emirates, Wenger bought quality players like Pires, Henry, Campbell. After 2007, he hardly bought any expensive player since Arsenal reverted to saving.

[@madmoxxi7397]

@@bismarkyeboah70 i’m not talking about after 2006 He was still clearly top class and overperforming I’m talking from the moment people like xhaka and mustafi were brought in

[@sleepsoundsforcalmingsleep1871]

@Selisha Van Dijk we signed mustafi after he won a world cup and both him amd xhaka were good talents when we signed them

[@madmoxxi7397]

@@sleepsoundsforcalmingsleep1871 your point?

[@syed269]

You can't choose Lampard in Lampard vs Gerrard debate and then say Hazard is better than Salah cuz every single point Shaun and Rory made defending their argument for Lampard can be applied for Salah in Salah vs Hazard debate.

[@michal8351]

Even though it is true . As a chelsea fan I'd still argue for lampard and hazard at the same time lol.

[@macky453]

@@michal8351 exactly tho. I think more unbiased fans (who know ball) would go for Salah and Gerrard > Hazard and Lampard.

[@sammy3347]

@@michal8351 now you understand why liverpool fans argue for Gerrard lmao

[@khadarahmed8927]

@@macky453 any one W a brain says hazard n gerrard

[@ra7671]

Literally…chelsea fans lampard argument disproves their hazard argument

[@JoeBird_]

Sharky starting to talk about FA Cups and Champions Leagues to credit Wenger, when the take literally said better premier league manager…

[@roberttaylor6343]

Because those aren't competitons that year on year have on influence on the league season right? Wanker.

[@madaxwayne]

@@roberttaylor6343 those comps arent the prem are you dense or something? Jose winning the ucl with porto and inter eclipses anything wenger ever done

[@sadiqgwandu6303]

People talk about the treble for Man U 98/99 that’s not related either

[@suf1an658]

premier league manager as in how well they managed while they were in the premier league.

[@macky453]

@@suf1an658 exactly…people don’t seem to understand simple things for some reason 🤣

[@pradhibsalvatore2599]

I love how Shaun is so nice to Rory when their opinions don't match. If that was Liban, Shaun would have cussed him out🤣

[@roberttaylor6343]

Rory is virtually a celebrity here.

[@mryou1563]

@@roberttaylor6343 No chance, Sharky is alot bigger but in terms of everyone else sure

[@ASK-ce6ps]

@@roberttaylor6343 it's sharky

[@mrhussain9008]

Mourinho is a MUCH greater manager when it comes to what he's achieved in his career, it's not even close, Porto and Inter CL treble!!! BUT Arsene is a greater PL manager. He changed the culture of English football completely. Unbiased United fan

[@Leo31291]

I think Jose has stunk up the place a lot but then you mention the Porto european titles and Inter. And yep... Its Jose.

[@asianwarrior2193]

holy fuck, a non braindead man u fan, very rare

[@Theop2]

And he went invincibles and he never had a big budget

[@natnaealmergia6279]

Sir Alex is the best manger in the Prem Wenger is behind him

[@austinlarrimore6542]

If he didn’t stay there for ages mourinho would be better. Wenger might have only won 3 prems but he managed in the prem for like 15 years straight

[@frankthermo268]

43:43 The way sharks and starz both look at Sean smiling when Rory says Salah over hazard has me dyinggg😂😭

[@juice9890]

I dont caRE LOL

[@nitrojakal]

“Greenwood is the future” this aged very poorly.

[@jozef5904]

Tbf before the bullshit happened he was a promising talent

[@codeinecurry]

@@jozef5904 still extremely overrated though la liga youngsters shit on him

[@afzx01]

Let's gooo, Shawn most definitely doesn't know ball

[@dankke19]

shaun*

[@rainbowthegod]

Doesn't know his left from right

[@manchesterunited426]

Knows the msot

[@Ryan-ey6sj]

And you think sharky does

[@tb0eg]

People need to actually take it in, Ronaldo won every single individual award he was eligible for in 2008. All of them along side the prem, ucl, cwc and community shield. Individual awards can be flukey and not of use at times but when you win all of them it a statement that you are undoubtably number 1

[@jachnoavhnvaon]

What is CWC?

[@muhamedmahmutovic3831]

@@jachnoavhnvaon Club world cup

[@akeemguy7331]

Facts but if you look at the individual numbers they are almost equal. We are basically comparing Ronalo's final season at United with Salah's first at Liverpool which is not really fair either.

[@csn_golf]

@@akeemguy7331 Those seasons are only compared because they are seen as their best in the prem.

[@akeemguy7331]

@@csn_golf I know but just adding a little context to it.

[@finlayarnold5113]

Shaun low key right about Bruno, forces the passes and shirts to increase stats but he does lose the ball loads and complains and looks a bit toxic but he’s still quality

[@zinoh1487]

Factos 👍🏾

[@iwilldowhatimust487]

Absolute dross, sad to know ppl think about football in this way.

[@Walshy94]

He gives the ball away because he's not afraid to try anything. Fair enough this season he's been poor with his passes, but to say he's not good enough is absolutely mental

[@finlayarnold5113]

@@Walshy94 did u not read my full sentence 😂 also never once said he wasn’t good enough

[@Walshy94]

@@finlayarnold5113I did read your comment. You said he's low key right. Shaun said Bruno ain't good enough, which is just a ridiculous statement

[@MatteeLuizz]

Great point by Rory saying Liverpool had the best midfield in the world, lasted 3 years and got to 2 champions league finals and a 2nd in the league. Gerrard played in a better team than Lampard for about 3/4 seasons in his career, Lampard stats are much greater due to how good those Chelsea teams were. Gerrard the more complete player, turned up in the big moments.

[@jbail2547]

Lampard turned up in the big moments too, scored in CL final against united , captained Chelsea against bayern. Assist vs Barcelona. Goals in fa cup finals. Its so hard to argue points because they are both basically flawless players.

[@ibrahimabdu9108]

Gerrard has the edge for me still he carried a team like messi

[@nabz5538]

Lampard got better stats because he played 100 more games and in a better team, their per90 stats are so so close.

[@Lfcr786]

Here’s a stat for you.. Gerrard had alonso and mascherano together behind/next to him for only two years… Gerrard scored 45 goals and 31 assists in those two years. 76 goal contributions. Lampard had this luxury his whole career. Imagine if Gerrard did. Also when Gerrard played DM for a whole season in 13/14 he got 14 goals and 16 assists, 30 goal contributions!! … FROM DM!! He was world class at every footballing attribute you could think of and could play at a world class level in every position on the pitch baring CB and GK. you cannot say the same for any other midfielder in English history imo. He was clear of everyone. Simple.

[@96s40]

Spot on👌🏻 Rory’s out there creating his own “myths”. Mourinho was desperate to sign Gerrard for Chelsea, Real and Inter- no surprise. Rory also mentions “he had Torres”, “he had Carragher”… which is almost funny. In actual fact even Torres admits that his peak form owed plenty to Gerrard; he declined at Chelsea.

[@noelgeorge3947]

Haha lol.. I love it how Gerrard fans trash their own team to say that he is the best. Their stance is Liverpool had a lot of mediocre players and hence Gerrard didn't get even close to the stats that Lampard has. Funnily enough that argument poses as a double edge sword. Only reason Gerrard looked as good as he did is because he was surrounded by mediocre players which helped him stand out. Just like Bale at Tottenham. Love Gerrard and closest player after Lampard. But didn't come close to him.

[@terencephilips1162]

And it shouldn't be only the midfield that's considered. Lampard was a system player, who thrived playing in an uber compact team, that packed central areas and enabled him to make attacking runs off the ball. For his skillset, Drogba was the perfect player to play off, not to mention the midfielders and defenders. Rory says - people think Gerrard is better but the stats don't bear it out. Then sites - people think Gerrard is the better passer, but Lampard had more assists. Lampard has more assists than Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo - was he a better passer? Lampard was perhaps a more accurate short passer, but Gerrard was able to whip medium to long range passes, it's why he could cross. Gerrard's passing was a weapon - Lampard's simply wasn;t. And Gerrard had acceleration and could beat a man. Lampard didn't and couldn't. Rory's point seems to be that the stats are on Lampard's side, but he is choosing to only look at goals and assists. It's data and stats all the way down - why not dig deeper. I don't really have a problem thinking people Lampard was the better player - he was fantastic. But Rory's argumentation is really poor.

[@connorstewart1629]

@@terencephilips1162 exactly even when you look at the stats in more detail youd realise they arent even in lamps favour as much as people think. That assist stat rory talks abt when you actually look at it gerrard and lampards assists per game ratio are practically identical meaning gerrard was getting assists at the same rate lampard did just gerrard didnt play as long so didnt accumulate the same number. Even the goals scored stat isnt that useful (only using goals scored in the prem) obv frank scored more but when you look more into it the goals per game ratio of the 2 arent that far apart with gerrards being abt .24 and lampards being .33 so .09 difference and you cant tell me that bc of that .09 difference that lampard was this other worldly scorer compared to gerrard and obv lamps was going to have a higher ratio he played closer to goal his role was to score gerrards wasnt

[@ethanchambers3206]

Top man can’t believe, these clowns thought lamps not a touch on stevey

[@johnnybehood6939]

There's a reason why Gerrard's moments were more memorable, he caught the publics imagination and his play style was more entertaining. For me he was the best all-round midfielder of his generation

[@antimics]

stars needs to bring more outrageous takes, makes the chaos even better

[@leonflash17]

Most of the people in the podcast discredit anything liverpool related but I appreciate sharky arguing for liverpools side

[@bismarkyeboah70]

When I look at Gerard and Lampard, one question I always ask myself is, if I switched Lampard and Gerard, would Lampard do any better than Gerard did at Liverpool? I don’t think so. I think they might be worse. Chelsea won’t be any worse in my opinion. And it’s not debatable that Chelsea had a better team than Liverpool. Sean can’t bend history now. Chelsea had a better than Liverpool.

[@dankke19]

But half of chelseas goals came from Lampard, i dont think Gerrard could do that

[@finbennett9657]

@@dankke19 gerrard would provide the assists for others to take over

[@Jaycheong95]

Lamps doesn't slip

[@MrNuma1]

@@Jaycheong95 Lamps wouldn't be there mate.. he had better players behind him to do that job - he never had to carry a team ever LOL - terrible take

[@Jaycheong95]

@@MrNuma1 u do know suarez carried that liverpool side and stevie g threw it away lol. Lamps beat the best barca side in the world with 10 men. Gerrard chokes when it matters

[@mryou1563]

I can't lie anyone growing up in the Gerrard era will know this man was basically a god in this country. He could to no wrong and he easily passed the eye test with the amount of amazing goals he scored. I am a Chelsea fan but Lampard was scoring crazy amount of goals for his club and maybe that was because we had the players to allow him to do that but if we talking about who is better you have to give to Steven Gerrard.

[@jakublitwinski5047]

Is that why lampard was voted above him in ball ondor

[@Emanuel-bm9vn]

@@jakublitwinski5047 the ballon dor has 0 credibility mate, just a bunch of journalists voting for their favourite players

[@fantagrape682]

@@jakublitwinski5047 gerrard holds the record for most pfa team of the year inclusions with 8. Lampard only has 3. Gerrard has more England caps, world cup goals, and captained the side. In fact, Lampard has 0 world cup goals lol. He's the only player I history to score in the fa cup, league cup, champions league and Europe league finals. Literally nobody thought lampard was better when they were both active players. It's only now people pretending to know football look at the stats and say lampard was better

[@vincentloh1969]

You can't fairly compare Gerrard and Lampard. Both were different types of players. But Gerrard was the more complete player and could play anywhere. In addition, his leadership skills put him way above Lampard.

[@MrBananaSamich]

Respect bro

[@shezzyhussain1600]

This was amazing, brilliant cast, more of this ! Rory is a gem

[@nizaraltheni3701]

love the pod! maybe you should make a list of your favourite player for each number of jersey. so your favourite number 1, 2, 3,..etc until 10 or 15 or whatever you choose. it would be a fun and interesting series.

[@mattiasedlund5395]

In my eyes Hazard will always be one of a kind. Salah is a goalscorer which there have been many of over the years. Hazard is a creative winger who carried Chelsea for years. He was the man who made everything work. Hazard is the better dribbler, passer and more creative and that is why I will always rank him higher. Also Hazard has to play under like 5 different managers and still put up numbers. Who else has done that?

[@adainjarrio]

Salah is basically Egyptian Robben. Though Robben for me is better. Hazard though, was magical.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

Hazard didn't really put numbers that much though. Also salah's creativity is better than hazards goalscoring. Salah's all round play is very underrated.

[@adainjarrio]

@@SASMADBRUV7 I don't think Hazard or Salah is straight up better than one another. I think it's a Gerrard Lampard situation.

[@newrecruit100]

Hazard doesn’t even need to score or assist at to be best player on the pitch. He had 3 goals and 2 assists at WC 2018, yet was best player of tournament.

[@scottbarkley496]

Even Hazard in an interview said he would love to do what SALAH is doing .. Shut up plz

[@fudailferoz9365]

Do your Top 10 brazilian players of all time. Think that would be a good vid!

[@box2247]

Cant wait to see sharky put martinelli 3rd

[@mariokoschatzky4572]

1. Pele 2. Ronaldo 3. Romario 4. Ronaldinho 5. Cafu 6. Garrincha 7. Rivaldo 8. Zico 9. Neymar 10. Roberto Carlos

[@ricox2217]

Neymar should be a ballet, not a footballer No contact is the only thing he can do

[@thomascanning1317]

best ever KING Fred

[@shaygobin757]

@@mariokoschatzky4572 1. Fred, eveeyone else after

[@user-cn8tc2lr1c]

Sharky is now getting unbearable to watch, he is so deluded it’s painful listening to him

[@jd8466]

I was starting to think this aswell lmao

[@paramtageja6891]

You have to take into consideration that Salah was in his prime who had been in England and then had experices at Roma etc whereas Ronaldo came as an 18 year old never been in England didn't know English and in a few years was producing absolutely mad seasons.

[@akeemguy7331]

Facts But also Salah did improve at Liverpool tbf

[@euanmunday7495]

Love hot takes but shaky man, “Arsene Wenger is a better ‘premier league manager’ than Jose mourinho” - starts talking about FA cups and Champions league

[@besnikrrahimi557]

I loved this episode so much. I really enjoyed like how controversial you were and discussed these statements on a very honest and respectfull basis. Pls do more stuff like this

[@tomasomalley3872]

It's close between Wenger and Mou for me but it's just about Wenger. He had the invincibles, which is the greatest prem season imo and 2 doubles. Also, to me a massive part of Wenger's legacy is that he revolutionized footballing nutrition and sports science in England, so while Shaun might laugh about Wenger introducing salads, that is part of the reason the game has reached a new level in England.

[@777kdcyh7]

greatest prem season ever is the centurions 100 points season of mancity

[@sleepsoundsforcalmingsleep1871]

@777KDC YH its 07/08 united

[@akeemguy7331]

@@777kdcyh7 And the season where City got 99 and Liverpool 98 or 98 and 97 something like that.

[@patshee9172]

Love the vids guys. Keep it up...have an idea for a vid if ye want to do it. But you can do top ten "insert nationality here" to play in prem league...get ye a few morr vids and so many players have played in prem league im sure theres loads ye can think of with ten....if ye know ball that is

[@mindofroger8743]

Wenger is underrated, to manage 20+ seasons is a great thing to appreciate because not a lot of managers have done so, regardless if it was going bad during his final years at arsenal, I'm a Liverpool fan and i can say that Wenger will be remembered as one of the best.

[@NetanelKleinman]

I think it's worth adding about Mourinho that the state he left his players and squads in were abysmal (excluding the first Chelsea stint). The way he turned on players and damaged relations between players and with fans had lasting impacts.

[@zealo6756]

To say this and not acknowledge how toxic Arsenal became in those final years under Wenger, especially online, is just picking and choosing bro

[@NetanelKleinman]

@@zealo6756 That's fair - though I wouldn't say Wenger was really to blame for Arsenal fans (or the selection of nasty fans who are vocal online) becoming incredibly toxic. I think it's been a lot worse with Mourinho and at multiple clubs on multiple occasions. It's a pattern that keeps repeating and is happening again now at Roma. I don't necessarily think it changes who is better or not, I just think it should have been brought up in the conversation. Wenger wasn't saying that his players couldn't think for themselves and needed play by play coaching through a game, or describing them as awful or wastes of space. There were definitely issues, but Mourinho seems to be unique in his tendency to destroy his own players' confidence and trust in him.

[@ra7671]

@@zealo6756 It wasnt toxic in the club but it was online but who cares about online, its a bunch of people with football pfps

[@zealo6756]

@@ra7671 If you actually think that a clubs's online community doesn't have any effect on the club itself, you're sorely mistaken. Arsenal Fan Tv is a clear example of how clubs online community can make a club toxic.

[@ra7671]

@@zealo6756 yeah but most twitter users etc are reactionary and blow things out of proportion, im not saying the online fans don’t affect the actual atmosphere but alot of online fans are a disgrace and shouldn’t be able to affect the actual game. The treatment of wenger was appalling given the crap he had to work with

[@varoonmohan2674]

We need more Liverpool fans on the podcast

[@Crash_Bash_4ever]

Starplayer is ?

[@MichaelCoughlan.]

@@Crash_Bash_4ever arsenal

[@Crash_Bash_4ever]

@@MichaelCoughlan. ok he hade a Liverpool fotbollkit in 1 of the shows :S

[@SeifUmaar]

Love how sharky makes his own stipulations to the questions to make it a better argument for wenger 😂 it’s wenger vs Jose as prem managers, always Jose

[@calebgasana5230]

Absolutely agree with Shaun Van Dijk absolutely changed Liverpool

[@wafflesjmr]

Mad respect to Rory. It's rare to see someone with unbiased opinions these days.

[@DS-dw3pz]

Unbiased doesn't mean it isn't wrong...and you think Lamps one isn't biased😂

[@azaanumran1027]

Started watching this channel a few months ago and its been sooooooooo good. Best podcast by far. If only Beta Squad still uploaded though :(

[@tanw2720]

Love hot takes videos, should happen every week

[@kinGsaL1515]

This is a really great concept for a video. Grabbed my attention from start to finish

[@gigglejiggle3414]

I absolutely love rory proper student of the game should get him on the pod more often

[@banathey]

Starplayer got Shaun with Hazard 😂😂😂😂😂😂🙌

[@niitrofficial]

It’s always a good day when Sharky uploads.

[@zeinab8794]

The 10 year United shout is insane. It’s simply based on united’s current form. It’s actually quite a pivotal point as now Ed Woodward is gone, and Richard Arnold is around. Although he hasn’t done well yet, hiring ragnick for a future consultancy role is a step in the right direction. United is starting to put footballing people in higher positions and sooner or later those type of decisions will start to work. There is more of a base now.

[@Slim-MMA]

Gerrard could excel in any midfield role, Lampard could only excel with a midfield two behind him.

[@ra7671]

This

[@shush9704]

lamps played as a 8 aswell

[@ra7671]

@@shush9704 lampard lacked the athleticism to play as a box to box

[@shush9704]

@@ra7671 😭😭😭 bro ur takin da piss lampard was a box to box when mourinho was here he was a box to box when we won the champs in 2012 he was a box to box wat u on about people that say hes a "2nd st" are ppl who dnt watch lamps play

[@nicodiangelo7051]

How I compare Lampard and Gerrard: If Lampard was in that Liverpool team, would he even win that ucl? My answer is nope. If Gerrard was in that chelsea team, would he win all the trophies that Lampard won? my answer is yes

[@Ashley-ot6dp]

If Lampard was in that 2014 Liverpool team does he slip though? It was a slow sideways pass, a cat could have stopped it. Game ends in a draw and Liverpool are champions. That error directly cost Liverpool the league and Liverpool fans gloss over it, it was such an easy pass to control.

[@blade4174]

@@Ashley-ot6dp bro fucking Messi missed a penalty in the finals. i could've fucking scored that, So I'm better than Messi now?

[@Ashley-ot6dp]

@@blade4174 Really? Baggio, CR7, Messi, Maradona have missed penalties in big games..but you 100% would have scored. Name me one other player who slipped and cost their team the league directly. Genuine question, if you can tell me I'll admit it's common and nothing major.

[@blade4174]

@@Ashley-ot6dp Yes, I would've. Just like you confirmed Lampard wouldn't slip I confirmed I would fucking smash that penalty that Messi took. So?

[@girijathesaviour9290]

@@Ashley-ot6dp the fact that you only have a slip to yab about shows how good Gerrard was. He was so immaculate. Easily in contention to be the best midfielder ever.

[@jonnstewart2023]

One of the things sharky fails to remember is that he can only say Wenger wasn't expected to win a league with those squads in hindsight , but back then no one thought like that, all we saw was that the tesm was still playing great football and whenever they got remotely close to a league title challenge ,or a european cup run they bottled it and the fans saw it through that prism and were tired of it hence why jose called him a specialist in failure because whenever they got games they had to win where the chips are on the table, they faltered so u can't totally blame finances

[@ashala9]

Bro when starz said you know he came out about hazard I was thinking the same thing sharky was Love the videos keep it up

[@bh6692]

Greenwood had to leave United. Who would’ve thought it’d be to prison fc

[@othmanehrittane1562]

"Hazard came out" LMAOOOOO Rory was sooo confused

[@IH-pv9nk]

28:14 Sharky's spot on. For Liverpool, Martinelli and Saka would be the perfect replacements for Mane and Salah.

[@Manny.thfc.04]

Loving your content recently lads

[@yv786]

Shaun was so focused on the 'numbers' in the gerrard lampard debate, but he didnt want to hear numbers for salah and hazard?😂😂

[@ra7671]

Exactly, using goal scoring for midfielders but dont use numbers for attackers

[@DS-dw3pz]

Honestly tho, Gerrard over Lampard and Hazard over Salah

[@emilezola1458]

That Salah agenda from Shaun still bothers me today. How can you not be impressed from a guy in 2017/18 scored 32 goals in a season, beat Shearer, Ronaldo and Suarez record. Year after he won golden boot again with Mane and I can agree that Mane had a better year than Salah in 2019. 2019/20 Salah again scored more goals and more assists than Mane. 2020/21 when van Dijk, Matip and Gomez were injured. Salah carried them to top 4. If Salah also were injured, they would not finish in top 4. Mo Salah playing wise is much more gifted than Mane. Mane is more of an athlete, while Salah is a baller, I have seen him tear defences with his dribbling. Shaun don't know ball!

[@leskipbayless3280]

Salah is also an athlete since his greatest assets are his pace and endurance. If you know that there’s a reason why both mane and Salah have such absurdly high xG in comparison to the rest of the league. It’s the system. Any football person knows that when you watch Salah plays he’s not carrying a dead team like Hazard/Sanchez/Bale because he simply doesn’t have the tech. Liverpool’s elite forward pressing system gives him so many chances and since he’s a better finisher than Mane he’s always top of the scoring sheets. Don’t me wrong, he’s an excellent system player, but he’s not a better player than Suarez, Ronaldo, Bale, Hazard etc

[@emilezola1458]

@@leskipbayless3280 I disagree! I am a Juventus supporter and I have watched him when he played for Roma. One game he destroyed our defense with his pace and technique, and that was when we had prime Bonucci, Barzagli and Chiellini in defense. So no he is not a system player when he proved he had different managers with different philosophies. And we also saw that Liverpool last season when Mane and Firmino underperformed and had a cb-pairing with Phillips and Kabak. They still finished top 4 thanks to Salah's crucial goals. Salah's prime is better than prime Bale and prime Hazard. Suarez and Ronaldo I agree with you.

[@BenLeinster]

@@leskipbayless3280 So that must mean Hazard is as well since he is a flop at Real Madrid

[@ra7671]

@@leskipbayless3280 the 17/18 liverpool side was an average side (when he broke the record) moreno was first choice lb until feb, lovren and matip were the cbs and an 18 year old trent was rb, milner emre can and Henderson were in midfield

[@DS-dw3pz]

@@BenLeinster he is a flop only because he was always injured bro..and injuries ruin players like how they ruined R9 and Torres...it's nothing to do with the team or system then

[@tee5125]

Icl Shaun is legit spitting facts as a United fan on Bruno. Always felt to win a league he aint good enough , he gives the ball away too much, and forces too many passes. Maybe if he dropped doing these things as much he would be better

[@ndabenhlendlovu140]

Yall should do a premier league managers tier list next

[@mangina5920]

Sharky the assna fan can’t hack it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 No arsenal cb is making into the chelsea defence, mendy is clear of ramsdale PLEASE OPEN UR EYES

[@iEldilo]

Bro assna fans are renowned for being the most deluded

[@lifeofhaych5760]

Completely agree with Sean on Bruno

[@dylanmurray3057]

The Greenwood comment aged very well…

[@ccrawlinson835]

coming back to this after everything with greenwood is mad😭

[@Daz2710]

This guy said Klopp is almost on Peps level, and then backs hazard over salah and says he's not scary...I want what he's smoking. Thank God, Rory was there to make sense of things.

[@sammy3347]

yeah Klopp isn't on peps level, he's better

[@DS-dw3pz]

Hazard was better than Salah bruh that's facts....he just said that Salah ain't as frightening as Ronaldo.... certain things he says doesn't makes sense but not this one

[@scottlaquis5564]

I love how Sean says hazard doesn’t need a system but as soon as he left Chelsea he was a massive flop😂

[@nickjames1496]

But he didn't I'm a city fan and I think hazard as a player was better than salah, besides scoring goals he doesn't do anything else not creative, not an amazing dribbler or passer tbh.

[@DS-dw3pz]

He was a flop only because he always got injured and nothing to do with the system so don't be dumb...as a player Chelsea Hazard was just better

[@yukino4403]

The thing about the argument with salah and ronaldo is take preferences away and base the argument on play style of the teams. That man united sides play style unlike liverpool now was that none of their wingers were playing that close to the inside as salah does. now when you had ronaldo as he would play wide and cut in with the ball. Theres a difference in play styles of the wingers that you have to account for. Now in no way am i taking away the effectiveness of those play styles but when you think about it that way you have to understand of why ronaldo was such a threat as just a winger especially when that era where was starting to change how wingers play.

[@suiii9957]

Love the podcast, Sharks.👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@callumCPT]

Passing (short, long), crossing, set pieces, tackling, blocks, interceptions, headers won, defensive headers etc... All parts of the argument that never get mentioned. All aspects that Gerrard was better than Lampard at. Also played 100 games less in the prem

[@ga7889]

Passing tackling were mentioned

[@callumCPT]

@@ga7889 I'm talking in general terms. Still, the stats show only one winner in this debate.

[@ga7889]

@@callumCPT your right it’s clearly lampard

[@michal8351]

Lampards better in the aspects you mentioned anyway

[@owenpeterson9841]

"Hazard is a system-less player" yet he's had no success with Belgium who have had a top 5 national roster for the last 8 or so years with players like De Bruyne, Kompany, Lukaku, and Courtois all featuring consistently. He's also been a major flop at Real Madrid.

[@michal8351]

You say no success with belgium, but he was arguably the best player in the whole tournament in the 2018 world cup. He was carrying them but was let down by the rest of the team.

[@owenpeterson9841]

@@michal8351 Where's the success in that statement you just made? Success in the way they were putting it in the vid was all stats/trophy based, and he didn't win the WC or any individual trophies. Plus you just named 1 of 4 large competitions he's played in (2 WC 2 EUROS) where he had mostly all of the players I mentioned plus more in their best years like Vertonghen, Dembele, Witsel,etc.

[@pauliewalnuts5803]

Sharky’s knowledge of football is spot on

[@oufc90]

One thing that I think shows Christiansen is a very decent defender is that I swear you hardly hear his name mentioned, at least in terms of making mistakes. I feel that often happens when a defender is pretty solid. Though maybe I haven’t watched the right games or I’m forgetting some mistakes or whatever.

[@fantagrape682]

gerrard holds the record for most pfa team of the year inclusions with 8. Lampard only has 3. Gerrard has more England caps, world cup goals, and captained the side. He's the only player I history to score in the fa cup, league cup, champions league and Europe league finals. In fact, Lapard has 0 world cup goals lol. Literally nobody thought lampard was better when they were both active players. It's only now people pretending to know football look at the stats and say lampard was better.

[@EnvySZN_]

Rory’s take on scholes is shocking wow🤣🤣

[@nivaldfontes3439]

He’s crazy for that..

[@akmed6299]

that take killed me

[@akeemguy7331]

I get what Sharky is saying and I get ROry as well. When Sharky says success is judged on the expectations, I can relate to that But when Rory said expectations change, I can relate to that too. Arsenal under Wenger in the end finished 4th alot and the expectation at the start of the season would not be to win the league but there were seasons where Arsenal had some great starts to the season and lead the table around midway through the season. (And that's when expectations change) Then to end up 4th after those brilliant starts, can that really be a success, even though initially winning the league wasnt expected? All in all Good Debate

[@khaledjamal1868]

Sharky I think you should do a Newcastle rebuild for next season every body has 250 million to spend and who you would get to improve the team

[@klopptomisticfreeworld8742]

Thank you Rory, at least one Chelsea fan with some actual unbiased ball knowledge who can see Mo Salah is so obviously better than Hazard.

[@abdalla7639]

No he isn’t, not in his prime at least. But rn ofc he is

[@amolmehrotra1296]

@@abdalla7639 hazard in his prime flopped for a season straight, salah has never let his guard down.

[@zealo6756]

@@amolmehrotra1296 hazard in his prime won us 2 prems and a europa, the latter he did almost singlehandedly with 31 g/a in the prem alone

[@amolmehrotra1296]

@@zealo6756 salah in his prime won liverpool the champions league and pl, and had 44 G+A in the prem alone. Plus hazard constantly went missing in champions league, his record in the cl is shambolic for an elite player. Salah has one bad game and you can see rivals going after him, thats how high his standards are.

[@zealo6756]

@@amolmehrotra1296 Van Dijk was more instrumental in the prem and UCL win than Salah was imo. Yes, many say Hazard was underwhelming in the CL, but people forget that for most of his time here, Chelsea were poor in that competition. He went past the Quarters once in 13/14, and he was decent considering it was only his second season at the club and first season in the UCL with chelsea

[@MichaelCoughlan.]

Sharky is so deluded about arsenal it’s mad

[@tomowen9412]

people really dont appreciate how good gerrard was, especially with some of the players around him. he did everything on the pitch to a world class standard.

[@canonogic]

Wenger and co betted heavily on FFP playing a huge role in football, and that's where things went horribly wrong for them. Im genuinely surprised by how close Wenger vs Mourinho is, i can't even pick tbh.

[@juniordays3810]

44:12 everyone's reaction😂

[@KAI-jl1ph]

Salah has the highest G/A per game ratio in premier league history. That’s enough to put him on top.

[@Spliro]

you think salah is a better player than ronny in the prem?

[@shaygobin757]

Madness, ronaldo was just a much better player overall than salah was, not to mention that he won balon dor. Say what u want about balon dor but in 2007, he got 2nd, won it in 2008, and came second in 2009, and thats at the age of 24, salah is nearly 30 and has yet to nake a podium finish in balon dor.

[@leskipbayless3280]

System tax…

[@girijathesaviour9290]

@@shaygobin757 why are you getting wet over Ronaldo, he will leave your sorry club anyway this summer and doesn't want to be anywhere near it 🤡

[@shaygobin757]

@@girijathesaviour9290 why do u sound so insecure, i was just explaining to the other guy why ronaldo was so much nore clear than salah in the prem

[@killmaster77able]

Having Rory is class, we need him more. Try Shaun Liban, Rory next

[@manchesterunited426]

Shaun u know the most ball on this pod love u

[@kristofferiversen6732]

There is no way they put Salah over Ronaldo. He litterally scored 31 goals in the prem and won ballon d'or with titles in both CL and PL. That season alone is better than Salah's career and i'm not even a United fan

[@user-gq5qo6fh3j]

No Salah better goal scorer Ronaldo better player (Man U) but I still take salah cah Ronaldo was world class for his last few season for united whilst salah been class since his first game for Liverpool

[@jacobs3722]

@@user-gq5qo6fh3j ronaldo was at united at 18 years old

[@shehrozamar4644]

@@jacobs3722 Age isn't relevant in the argument.

[@Anonymous-xr8hx]

@@shehrozamar4644 yeah it is. Ronaldo doing all that before he hit his prime is more impressive than Salah doing what he's doing in his prime. We've seen lots of very very good players be amazing during their prime. But Ronaldo was special because he was playing at that level before he was 25.

[@shehrozamar4644]

@@Anonymous-xr8hx It isn't because your arguing who was the better player. A player being younger or older doesn't make them a better player. You can say it's more impressive he done it at a younger age, but it won't support you in this particular argument.

[@edtcreative]

Jose was a better manager than Arsene but Arsene was a more influential manager. Lampard is a better 10 than Gerrard but Gerrard was a better 8/6. Ronaldo over Salah is easy.

[@michal8351]

Lampard was also a better 8

[@nolancastillo3786]

Love the podcast all the way from Las Vegas. Where’s best ever prem goalkeepers?

[@rajkhajuriya1920]

It's a much tougher task to shine in the best teams and be the best player there,even when we had all these world class players Lampard was always the best perfomer in the team and was the one who set standards for other world class players like drogba terry ballack cole and many

[@Loganr187]

Chilwell is nowhere near Tierney 😂😂

[@James-jr6xo]

salah got 32 goals ronaldo got 31 and more assists lol.

[@vincentdinero732]

i feel like since rory started stroking his hair that starrplayer choose to take his hat off but brudda please put that ting back on fam🤣

[@newrecruit100]

We don’t even play with wingers. Our wingbacks are our width. Closer to inside forwards or 10s.

[@SN64736]

It's a bit redundant to say Mourinho won the same amount of premier leagues in half the time of Wenger. The two operated under completely different circumstances. Post-Highbury Wenger was having to sell his best players year on year and replaced them with players at a fraction of the price. Mourinho goes to Chelsea, 1st season spends £100m, 2nd season spends £50m, 3rd season spends £55m. (Spending that kinda money back then was mental) Returns to Chelsea and spends big money again on Costa, Fabregas, Willian etc. Excluding 2014-18, years that were the outlier, Wenger didn't have the luxury of spending that kind of money.

[@Loganr187]

Here’s a hot take, Chelsea won’t win a trophy this season

[@johng2041]

That’s a shit take

[@ItzGelooo]

Do this weekly!!!!!

[@ajmolabedin5739]

Juventus want Arsenal's Ghana midfielder Thomas Partey, 28, included in any deal for the Serie A side's Brazil midfielder Arthur Melo

[@MichalT_03]

Gerrard was a more complete player and the the fact his stats are even remotely close to Lampards, when he played for a much worse side for the majority of his career, proves that. However, both were world-class players and are the two greatest English midfielders ever.

[@rajkhajuriya1920]

I don't understand why Liverpool fans always use this" Gerrard was in a a very inferior squad as compared to Lampard" point in these arguments when it's the opposite of it, being in an inferior team made Gerrard looked great

[@rajkhajuriya1920]

It's a much tougher task to shine in the best teams and be the best player there,even when we had all these world class players Lampard was always the best perfomer in the team and was the one who set standards for other world class players like drogba terry ballack cole and many

[@iim1030]

Hate to say it but Shaun knows ball

[@RafPos13]

the salah v ronaldo segment proves you tottally wrong, everything he said was bollocks

[@idk-js4pb]

as a utd fan, we won’t win in the next decade until we focus on youth. SAFs class of 92’ was instrumental to their success and most of them very long term. I would focus on sancho, rashford, elanga and importantly greenwood.

[@nolpan9708]

Rashy turns 25 this year

[@idk-js4pb]

@@nolpan9708 i meant it as in he came from the academy

[@TrenchKid92]

Shaun hates Salah 😭🤡

[@DS-dw3pz]

And Rory hates Hazard😱

[@richardsmith7577]

Shaun’s takes on Bruno Fernandes r absolutely spot on 👏

[@CLDLL-yr8df]

Watching Rory say lampard was a better tackler than Gerrard is hilarious

[@mustafefarah997]

Simple way to look at it guys, even though i rate Lampard really highly, if Lampard was in that Liverpool team over the years, they wouldn't have achieved what Gerrard has achieved with Liverpool at that time, Gerrard had carried shit liverpool sides single handedly and got them over the line, also Gerrard was more completed player on pure ability and versatility, so there u have it, the choice is yours guys.

[@tydesai3711]

Individual awards show Gerrard’s better tho FIFA World XI Nominations Gerrard 8 Lampard 8 Scholes 2 FIFA World XI Appearances Gerrard 3 Lampard 1 Scholes 0 UEFA Team of the Year Appearances Gerrard 3 Lampard 0 Scholes 0 UEFA Player of the year Gerrard 1 Lampard 0 Scholes 0 Highest FIFA World Player of the Year Finish Lampard 2nd - one time Gerrard never in top 3, but very close Scholes nowhere near top 3 Highest Ballon D’or Finish Lampard 2nd - one time Gerrard 3rd - one time Scholes nowhere near top 3 Premier League Team of the Year Appearances Gerrard 8 Lampard 5 Scholes 2 Premier League Player of the Month Awards Gerrard 6 Lampard 4 Scholes 4 Premier League Young Player of the Year Gerrard 1 Lampard 0 Scholes 0 Journalists’ and Writers’ Premier League Player of the Year Gerrard 1 Lampard 1 Scholes 0 Players’ Premier League Player of the Year Gerrard 1 Lampard 0 Scholes 0 Fans’ Premier League Player of the Year Gerrard 2 Lampard 1 Scholes 0 England National Team Player of the Year Gerrard 2 Lampard 2 Scholes 0 UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament Gerrard 1 Lampard 1 Scholes 0 FA Cup Final Man of the Match Gerrard 1 Lampard 1 Scholes 0 UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match Gerrard 1 Lampard 1 Scholes Gerrard > Lampard and Scholes if u know ball

[@Am-lj3yy]

You wrote all of that to change absolutely no one’s opinion lmao

[@Am-lj3yy]

@Jonzo bro stop judging ‘midfielders’ through stats. If it’s all about stats Drogba isn’t even top 10 strikers in the prem lmao

[@tydesai3711]

@@Am-lj3yy he isn’t

[@kiaazegar396]

Lampard awards are not perfect according ur statistics Lampard top assist providor in premiere league 05 07 09 (3) Player of the fa cup 07 08 09 (3) Player of the premiere league decade (1) Player with +10 goal in 10 consecutive seasons (10) Man of the match in Europe league 2013 (1) Euro 2004 team of the tournament (1) Euro under 21s all time XI (1) 20 convective seasons appearances award (1) FWA Tribute award 2010 And.........