So, about that Amazing Atheist video ... [Patreon Goal Reached!]

[@GogiRegion]

“If I were to try and disprove that all white people are racist, my first priority would be to ensure that while I was arguing my case, I didn’t start doing a bunch of racist impressions.” +1 on that statement right there.

[@WHC-uz7mt]

Eat the poo poo is a quote from a video of a bunch of african homophobes giving a presentation about gay sex, stating problems from different parts of the world isn't rascist.

[@vhscrust7872]

@@WHC-uz7mt and taking a quote from a small group and applying it to a whole continent is what we call steryotyping. And using it also in a obvious derrogatory way is pretty racist :)

[@WHC-uz7mt]

@@vhscrust7872 I don't see these kind of comments when Tj makes these same jokes or imitations of southerners, italians, irish, or russians, this isn't coming from some antisjw I'm biracial myself, also this isn't some small group these are people involved in the Ugandan government and helped to pass anti-gay legislation and stoking violence and killing of lgbt people watch God loves Uganda if you want to know more, pretending that this isn't a problem with the continent across the board is dishonest, africa as a whole has a horrible track record of human rights violations especial to minorities the lgbt community being one of them, we're all human we're all people I see no reason you shouldn't be able to imitate or joke about other people just like how TJ makes fun of eastern europeans even though he isn't culturally or ethnically similar no one calls that rascist.

[@vhscrust7872]

@@WHC-uz7mt he is still taking a quote from one group of people and applying to multiple unrelated individuals, also he is doing it in a clear mocking manner with the sole objective of diminishing those individuals.

[@WHC-uz7mt]

@@vhscrust7872 of course it wouldn't apply to every individual but as a society as a whole of the region these beliefs are unfortunately still prevalent, for instance many would stereotype America as anti intellectual, xenophobic and ignorant now not every american fits these descriptions but that doesn't stop the fact that nearly half of us voted for Donald Trump, so when I see someone imitate, often in a derogatory way, a Trump supporter by using a southern accent I don't mind because those people should be criticized and a majority of his base are in the south.

[@samuelbarber6177]

I love how TJ just says: Middle Eastern society and African society, as if both are just one society. Instead of many different societies. Africa is freaking continent.

[@secretshark5710]

What? You mean non white people dont have hive minds?? Bro that's crazy

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

Yeah!! like when some people say Western Society as if that's one huge monolith too

[@samuelbarber6177]

@@nihilistlivesmatter what? You mean Brazil and Canada don’t share one society?? Whatttt?

[@nihilistlivesmatter]

@@samuelbarber6177 That's correct, Brazilians are completely indistinguishable from Swedes, Whilst Canada's national dish is paella.

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

Tj is honestly completely different nowadays

[@fangsabre]

Ya know, for being atheists, these anti sjws guys seem to really want to stick to the values of traditionalist Christian establishments

[@willowarkan2263]

Their skepticism seems to only go as far as the question of deities, it's like past that they feel they have done enough questioning. No need to look into what other effects the culture around that religion may have produced.

[@corncake4677]

“We hate theists. Okay now we hate progressives. Okay theists are based now”

[@crishealingvtuber8626]

As a Christian myself...yes.

[@Lauren-rl4eu]

As an atheist they're probably the least atheist atheists who have ever atheisted. They follow almost the exact same traditional values as in Abrahamic religions just minus a named god. Far right 4chan atheism is basically just a modified version of Christianity, rather than an actual lack of religious belief

[@honeyrose7663]

I remeber when i first became atheist in the late 00s, the majority of them were humanist then it seems the movement got hi-jacked by these right wing types. I honestly think they tried to ride the coatails of the enlightened humanist atheist

[@gryphonavocatio]

"Crocodiles: No opinion of trans people" just gave me the best laugh I've had all day.

[@Bobsaget121]

sorry I know it’s not that funny of a quote but that delivery... i miss savage Shaun.

[@uhtmilk5032]

יוזף

[@Raw774]

i disagree, crocodiles are known allies

[@sankalp2520]

Crocodiles are known for changing sex based on the temperature inside the eggs. They must be having some opinions for trans people.

[@willbe3043]

@@Raw774 No, that's ally-gators!

[@aidanbayliss535]

I was deep in the Sargon hole and I completely believed all of that anti - feminist, anti - immigration rhetoric that they peddle and it took one of my friends to force me to watch your channel and your videos. I can honestly say it is upsetting to realise just how wrong my views were and how easily I had let myself fall for all of their unfounded, ignorant faux intellectual bullshit. Thanks Shaun for the great content and for helping me out of the fucked alt-right path that I was taking.

[@delta1525]

I was too. Glad I got out of it.

[@CarlEusebius]

Aidan Bayliss Take heart though that you were honest and open-minded enough to give criticism a real chance. Too many Sargonites spend all their mental energy keeping their minds closed and their egos intact.

[@selenite1]

Replies like this are what gives me hope. Detox is possible!

[@pandathered9724]

Don't feel bad for yourself. Reactionaries can be very convincing because they say what they believe with such certitude and know how to hit all the "buzzwords" that can trick viewers into thinking that their arguments are intelligent, but picking apart the nonsense is an order of magnitude more difficult than producing it in the first place.

[@markmillett6540]

I was saved from CinemaSins by Shaun

[@xjdfghashzkj]

"I realize I have a somewhat monotone voice, but what you are hearing right now is excitement." Every time I'm sure that I've heard the most English sentence ever, I get proven wrong the very next day.

[@gezi5927]

James Blackburn lol

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

@dew drop happens a lot for some reason

[@finn_in_the_bin5263]

gave me the same vibes as Charlie (Cr1tikal/Penguinz0) when he got pissed off and said something like "i know trying to figure out my emotions through the tone of my voice is like reading fucking hieroglyphics but i assure you i am absolutely livid right now" in his trademark monotone XD

[@Old_Jack_Ketch]

I like Shaun’s slow-but-deliberate way of talking: it goes well with his deadpan humour, and is a nice change from other KZbinrs who are prone to getting a bit excited at times.

[@hazukichanx408]

I feel the same. The sheer _calm_ Shaun exudes as he methodically examines, presents, explains and source-critiques all the angry shouty bigot-tubers, is such a breath of fresh air. I first saw his Stellar Blade video, which is movie-length at least, and yes, I ended up viewing it in multiple sessions... but by the end, I was like, "You know, I wouldn't mind listening to more of this kind of chill, soothing, compassionate, truth-based reasoning." And now I'm a total fan.

[@DarkSoulsSauron]

the funny thing is that "she eat tha poopoo" joke comes from an African anti-gay pastor who's terrifying evangelism is a direct consequence of the imperialism that TJ doesn't think is real / relevant.

[@societopathyobserved9785]

AKA, "Africans don't have any agency to think for themselves or progressively, they've just been programmed to think that way by the superior white man!" Who is the racist here again?

[@mullensk8ter15]

Answer the below comment or you lost

[@apanapandottir205]

@ Societopathy Observed, That makes exactly zero sense.

[@kudosbudo]

"Africans don't have any agency to think for themselves or progressively, they've just been programmed to think that way by the superior white man!" - this is a racist statement. "the funny thing is that "she eat tha poopoo" joke comes from an African anti-gay pastor who's terrifying evangelism is a direct consequence of the imperialism that TJ doesn't think is real / relevant." This is a report of fact on an idividual indoctrinated by white evangelical teaching, so isn't racist. Societopathy Observed... You failed. Come back when you learn the difference between a racist statement (which you put together really fucking easily, practiced much?) and a statement of fact about an individual that was quite well worded and doesn't paint a large group of people in a certain light.

[@DrJReefer]

@@societopathyobserved9785 Still you

[@joshuaery]

I remember being angsty teenager who was tired of be forced to go to church and thought TJ was the greatest thing. Hes someone you outgrow.

[@glurganergc4856]

Paul Olsen sounds about right, people who spout nonsense like what you said tend not to outgrow things

[@glurganergc4856]

Paul Olsen the comment i responded to was an ad-hominem argument. Also known as one of the weakest arguments in existence. You really shouldn't be talking about weak arguments.

[@rymiledge893]

@Paul Olsen LMAOOOO now you're trolling

[@DrJReefer]

@Paul Olsen www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/is-the-amazing-atheist-popular-because-hes-racist-yes/

[@blupool867]

@Paul Olsen thats what you had to say? seriously? that's all? stop youre killin my sides

[@ScoopMeisterGeneral]

I find the comments under TJ's video much more worrying than the video itself. The sheer volume of people referring to Milo as "it" is really quite depressing.

[@Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice]

That sucks. I know it's unlikely but hopefully no closet trans kids are in there hearing that bullshit.

[@ScoopMeisterGeneral]

@@Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice There might be. TJ himself isn't transphobic as far as I can tell.

[@ScoopMeisterGeneral]

@@BBQcheese Yes. Yes they do.

[@winterlynn9012]

Boo hoo

[@Whovian1029]

ScoopMeisterGeneral Uh, he definitely is. He edited Milo’s face onto a clearly feminine woman’s body. That’s one of the most transphobic things he could do.

[@8DX]

"Something unusual wearing a suit" *laughs uncontrollable, till the tears come out*

[@syystomu]

Drabswin same here haha

[@ohana9238]

I liked. It shows how much of these channels don't have any personality or appeal other than simply being anti-feminists and sometimes making bad philosophy and bad social science (sometimes bad psychology, bad history and bad biology shows up too) videos.

[@mythologue]

And the wee?

[@thesinfultictac5704]

Me as well

[@amylovemyart]

@laz kar **cough** furry **cough cough**

[@BmrGould]

"I still call TJ an idiot at one point, and that word and other words like stupid or moron, for instance, are things I am trying more often to avoid, lately. Attributing deliberate actions to just unintelligence is something that started sitting kinda wrong with me. I feel like it can erase responsibility and agency in kind of an irresponsible manner. Ya know it kind of lets people off the hook when they do something maliciously to just chalk it up to idiocy." - Shaun - Quoting because I really liked it and would like to refer to it if necessary.

[@siukong]

In one sense I can understand how it would seem to be absolving some responsibility (although I would dispute the phrase "lets them off the hook" as too strong). On the other hand, I personally still would have no problem calling someone like this a stupid idiot, given that their biases are so rooted in (often wilful) ignorance, denial, and closedmindness. Perhaps fool/foolish is a more fitting "term of endearment" for someone like this who revels in their ignorance and laziness and uses manipulation to misrepresent an argument - although I do think it can seem rather toothless.

[@josephancion2190]

@@siukong But Shaun stays polite so that he doesn't stoop as low as his oponents.

[@sirius1696]

This is why the term "clown" is more appropriate. They're fools, not intellectually inhibited. Calling someone a clown doesn't divest them of any responsibility

[@ryanweible9090]

i do like how this makes it hit that much harder. I called him an idiot, but then i realized idiots cannot help it, so I want to make sure to convey that he is willfully and maliciously uninformed. that went from a slap to a wheel kick.

[@gwanael34]

In a way TJ never pretended to be smart. I'm pretty sure he calls himself a neckbeard and an idiot and he knows he's just rambling.

[@simonwhitten338]

The men in that video are Kenyan. Swahili Kenyans (the dominant cultural group in that country) are one of many non-western cultures that have a traditional concept of a third gender, so TJ's stereotyping is even lazier than it at first seems.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Simon Whitten you're completely right on that statement completely...

[@misanthropiclusion]

Muxes on mexico are another group, like these people, we included, have lived all our life on Judeo-Christian cultural values and practices and they can't grasp that the world, cultures and humanity are way more complex than what "common sense" tells you to think.

[@QwertyCaesar]

Also as for arab cultures, many of them recognize gender transition as valid as well as recognizing non-binary genders. TJ should know about this quite well given that he (supposedly) has studied the bible and ancient middle-eastern cultures.

[@James.B.Russell]

It's almost like it's a cartoon representation and wasn't meant to be taken as though the pictured individuals held those exact beliefs. You fucking know there are Africans who hold the beliefs the TJ imitated. The Congo for instance.

[@Sitarman345]

James B. Russell This is pretty humorous. So you're saying TJ shouldn't be taken seriously, and then just to make sure to cover all the bases, you say he should be taken seriously. Let's ignore that you think there are Africans who actually say "she eat-a da poo poo." Let's ignore all the times TJ completely misconstrued Milo's argument. Let's ignore how nonsensical his points are. If he wanted to be nuanced with the idea that certain African groups displayed such behavior (and let's be honest, as a fan of TJ's old work, that's a pretty big stretch) then why did he clearly just google "african men" and take one of the first things he saw? Why did he take a picture from a video about stereotypes of African men? Why did he then portray a stereotypical African man? Let's be real, TJ didn't fucking care. He didn't try to be nuanced. He didn't do any research into his argument. He just went off of how he felt and you're just excusing him because he's validating what you feel (I'm assuming, I hope I'm wrong) and it's lazy and disingenuous.

[@HeavenlyHavoc]

I really appreciate that at no point in your apology do you try and defend your words by saying, "it used to be okay but now you can't say that," or anything of the sort. The words were never okay to say, and I appreciate that you acknowledge that and apologize for your not knowing before. It's the kind of accountability you don't see much with a lot of internet personalities and the like.

[@anobviousaltaccount3665]

I am Lebanese. We don't behead anyone, and trans people can legally change their gender since 2016. Good job TJ! P.S: To be clear I am not saying we have good treatment for trans people, it's still horrible with healthcare denial and systematic discrimination. But no, we don't rape nor kill trans people, well, not more than the periodic horrible crime that happen in the West as well.

[@meanberryy]

I have dyslexia and thought you said you were lesbian rather than Lebanese and let me tell you it was a wild reed.

[@anobviousaltaccount3665]

@@meanberryy Lesbianon

[@seyspectra]

@@meanberryy You really pulled a Regina George

[@meanberryy]

@@seyspectra I have no idea what that means

[@seyspectra]

@@meanberryy Oh, there’s a relatively popular movie from the early 2000’s in American pop culture called „mean girls“. In there is a joke, where bully character „Regina George“ bullies another character because she thinks she’s a lesbian when in reality said character is Lebanese. Regina got confused.

[@baguettegott3409]

So... why didn't my Latin teacher tell us that in ancient Rome, people were all literally divided by Tops and Bottoms? That feels like relevant information, withheld from me on purpose.

[@bubby632]

The straight agenda

[@octaviusroosevelt7355]

I think you may have answered your own question without realizing it. Why would the educational system teach children facts when they get paid more to teach propaganda?

[@skepticmonkey6923]

@@octaviusroosevelt7355 To be fair that's about the most awkward thing you could teach to a kid, its more charitable to say teachers don't generally talk about topics involving sex because A, its not appropriate and B you will enver get asked about it in an exam, so its basically irrelevant. If i was a teacher id rather talk about Aurelian kicking ass and reuniting the empire then talk about tops and bottoms, honestly.

[@jayl9110]

@@skepticmonkey6923 idk about you but I was I think 13 or 14 when we covered ancient Roman society in the kind of detail where sexuality and relationships would be relevant. That feels to me more than old enough to be discussing it.

[@weasel7491]

Because it's kind of like how they leave out Gandhi's less friendly views or Mother Teresa committing medical malpractice. There's a level of horror and cynicism to reality, that state curriculum + 2 hours of underpaid teachers and certain milestones they have to hit don't give them time for. I do think if I remember also because some of those Roman relationships weren't just top/bottom...but also mentor/student, and the 'bottom' was a teen. So...not as nice to explain. Though on topics I don't see why we covered, why did I learn about Pompeii and everyone bein horribly turned to stone-ish in 7th grade :(. Literally 2-3 weeks of class, yet I still know nothing about the Vietnam war.

[@ibahart3771]

I hate it when people use "mentally ill" as an insult. Thank you for learning from that mistake!

[@WollongongWacko]

Iba Hart I dislike when people use the word hate, it triggers me, please use a word that does not offend me. Thank you.

[@diegoernestovarelaparra3820]

What he want to said is "I dont give a shit about your feeling, I like my feeling of edgyness better"

[@jblue1622]

tentacledork I agree to his point, shouldn't use the word hate or get the feeling, it's dumb to hate no matter the circumstances, hating Nazis is Naziism, instead of hating them, kill them with kindness and when in a dangerous situation either hit them to protect yourself or if you ultimately have to protect yourself then protect yourself by you know what, but why hate them it does nothing and hating on them gives them more power, hating on black people hasn't done a lot of white people well, black people are gaining more and more power everyday despite the hatred

[@SenorMeinKrafter]

Being called mentally handicapped is an insult because no one wants to have a crippling disorder that would ruin their life, and being upset by that is quite foolish. Ultimately, who cares? They're not bombing asylums or whatnot; it's not affecting anyone's life.

[@diegoernestovarelaparra3820]

Is still dickish and if you are engaging in a media were you are going to talk, better have some tact, dosent it?

[@Jakethesnake1281]

The claim that straight and cis is the normality in every culture is dripping with ignorance, TJ clearly hasn't bothered to look up "Trans people in history" or "Non Binary in history" If he had, he would see The Waria in Indonesia or The Kocek in the Ottoman Empire or the Mahu in Hawaii, or the story in ancient Babylon where a beautiful nonbinary person named Asu-shu-namir saved the most powerful Goddess, Ishtar, from the Underworld. It literally takes 10 minutes to research this.

[@djanoglymusic]

outliers don't disprove it's not still the normality...

[@jeffreychandler8418]

@@djanoglymusic what makes normal good? thats my question. yall talk about "normal" but dont give a reason as to why "not normal" is bad

[@djanoglymusic]

@@jeffreychandler8418 no one said it was bad. I'm just qualifying it's not normal (as in it doesn't apply to more than 50% of people)

[@SaVanityVan]

​@@djanoglymusic That's not what 'normality' means in this context lmao sexual/identity divergents will never be 'normal' in that sense, LGBTQ+ people are only around 10% of the population and only ever will be. Terms like heteronormativity don't mean 'most people are straight' it means being straight is the only *accepted* way to be, that if you aren't straight you aren't 'normal', and that's considered a bad thing. To combat cis-heteronormativity is to work towards a society where people can be whatever they identify as and not be ostracized or attacked for it, which they weren't in the cultures OP mentioned, as well as in a number of others.

[@tonywords6713]

10 minutes do you even know how many Sargons that is

[@thesleepydot]

that “statistical vs social minority” explanation was very informative! thanks a lot :) i was genuinely curious about how that point would be debated, and was starting to wonder whether women actually are minorities even thought they are oppressed BUT are not a statistical minority

[@yoloswaggins7121]

It's just the way we use the word. Yes, women are not a statistical minority. We refer to them as a minority because that word had been used to describe other groups that have been historically oppressed by whatever society, but this is just a convention. We could just come up with another word. Women aren't a minority, they are a HOG (historically oppressed group.) Boom did it. HOG is the new terminology. You can tell that someone isn't very intelligent when they try to win arguments with semantic points like this. Like even if we conceded to TJ that women are not a statistical minority, then what? What's his point? How does this help his arguments?

[@pandathered9724]

"Quick video" >Four Sargons long.

[@Painocus]

Amelia Parker: Garrett did a video demonstrating how Sargon never bothers to even read his "sources" (or intentionally completely lies about them) and Sargon showed up in the comment section with this: "oh fucking hell can you not summarize this in under 5 minutes? I don't have the patience to sit through over half an hour of this". I'd send you a link, but Garrett has since nuked his account.

[@keinname1896]

Garrett ripped him apart a while back and Sargon's response was: "Can't you summerize that in under five minutes." This amazing skeptical response inspired "leftist KZbin" to make Sargon a unit of time. 1 Sargon = 5 minutes.

[@Mike-zk5jc]

Wait, shit, I didn't realize Garrett went away! Do you know if he has a new channel or a twitter or something?

[@Painocus]

Mike: He has (or at-least had) another channel where he does media reviews/commentary, but I don't remember what it's called and I'm not sure it has been updated since. He had a twitter, but he nuked that too.

[@Mike-zk5jc]

aw man, he had good stuff. did he say why he killed it?

[@dataportdoll7918]

Man remember like 6 years ago when TJ made that apology to transgender people for a lot of his previous humor? But then Gamergate became profitable and he, shockingly, moved back towards the right, for Rea$on$ I cannot fathom.

[@leerowan9640]

Can we also talk about how creepy it was that he took the time to edit Milo's face onto a body wearing a bikini? I'm fairly sure they were only 16/17 at the time.

[@nnewt8445]

It's possible he just didn't know that - admittedly, I myself thought Milo was in her 20s until I saw the "reasonable questions for anti-SJWs" video.

[@leerowan9640]

NNewt84 *they & it’s still creepy regardless of Milo’s age ??? The fact Milo was a kid is really just the icing on the shit cake of awful that was his “””response”””. Anyway if TJ didn’t even know that the person he was invasively harrassing was a minor, it really just kind of emphasises how little research he does about everything.

[@auditect950]

I could be wrong, but didn't TJ argue that appearantly, the age of consent was invented by religion and he thinks it should be down to the "biological age of consent" of 14?

[@mayaprice669]

@@auditect950 o no

[@MsMoonDragoon]

@@auditect950 NECKBEARD ALERT! HIYA LOLIS HIDE YA VIDYA.

[@eelwheels]

in my suggested videos is a TED talk called "Why incompetent people think they're amazing", seems pretty relevant here, lol

[@jonchilders7363]

I take it that it's about the Dunning-Kruger effect?

[@brickvideos4851]

It's narrated by Dunning

[@jonchilders7363]

@@brickvideos4851 cool.

[@Gigika313]

Oh god me too! KZbin algo have not changed in the last three years?

[@archvaldor]

That guy from Waynes World has gone off the rails.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Party on Wayne.

[@MarkoParabucki]

Yea, but he's Batman!

[@zombieedrea]

Garth would NEVER

[@user-ur8hl8lr7q]

He took a sip from the fountain of youth and got fat.

[@DeaconShadow]

Gales of derisive laughter, Bruce.

[@Riderbooker]

Yeesh. I was never very fond of how Tj does his videos. Aside from the actual horrible content, the body language always makes me think he's about to drop the worst possible rhymes in a rap battle and immediately get booed off stage.

[@Aconitum_napellus]

I can imagine him doing a really cringey rap.

[@angryreader8857]

*Slam poetry

[@hawaiianrobot]

they're just not very pleasant to watch, or listen to. something about the way he moves from side to side while on camera bugs the shit out of me, and that's honestly the least of the problems with him

[@jesuslarios1037]

Not to mention all the fuckING YELLING!!!

[@1685Violin]

Decade Have you ever watch his earlier videos from 2009-2012, especially _The Liberal Agenda_ . That video, from 2011, is something many of Shaun's viewers would agree and what the likes of TJ, Sargon, and myself would disagree nowadays.

[@Jane-oz7pp]

4:04 I have so damn much love and respect for Milo, that little thembo has absolutely got the strongest sense of self-worth I've seen. I can't imagine being attacked so much and so viciously and still smiling so damn much.

[@tepidtopic4979]

"and boxxy"

[@DragonMaiden77]

Maddie Little Box0nHead? I assumed they morphed together

[@johnemory7485]

I've kind of assumed this for a while...

[@FieldMarshalFry]

I remember Boxxy..... she was Early KZbin....

[@joeyrufo]

The person who created the Boxxy character is actually a feminist, I'm pretty sure... 😢

[@b.abotan4403]

a FEMINIST? *gasp*

[@marinah5949]

30 year old man man totally owns a teenager by angrily yelling on camera

[@allyourpcarebelongtous8744]

Marina H #theinternet

[@micmac274]

And the Jehovah's Witness in Warrington town square does the same, unlike the more conservative ones standing with the Watchtower and Awake! and looking embarrassed about his behaviour.

[@Glaaki13]

I also find it "funny" that these "oh so clever rationale's" could not for the life of them understand what a teenager meant

[@James.B.Russell]

KZbinr responds to another KZbinr's video. Idk why you brought ageism into this but ok

[@somed214]

Expecting a man in his thirties to act with more maturity than a 17-year-old isn't ageism. I suppose you also think it's "ageism" if I expect that man in his thirties to doo-doo in the potty rather than his pants. Of course the irony here is that the full-grown man who makes his living off of his reputation as a thinker acted with far less maturity and wisdom than the 17-year-old did. Maybe I actually should be surprised if the Amazing Atheist knows how to shit in a toilet.

[@Painocus]

Ok, TJ, let's talk about Transsexuality in the middle-east (and some surrounding countries for good measure): *Iran: There were not any legal restrictions against trans-people before the revolution, and while it was illegal for a short while afterwards, it was re-legalized in the mid-80's for trans-people to both have sex reassignment surgery and to live as their gender before surgery. Surgery is partially covered by government health-care and Iran carries out the second most amount of such surgeries in the world (after Thailand). (Although there is some discrimination against those who do not want surgery, but still wants their gender recognized.) *Oman (and some other parts of the Arabian peninsula): Has the traditional concept of Khanith, which, although considered a third gender there, matches the western concept of a transwoman. *Egypt: Had the concept of Khawal up until the nineteenth century, who were either transwomen or constant male transvestites, working as female-dancers. They became less accepted due to Western influence and were eventually shunned completely under imperialism. The word is now used as a homophobic slur. *Turkey: Had the similar concept of Köçek, who were known to also have been considered female in sexual matters (with the Khawal it's a bit more unclear). As a side note the Ottoman Empire made all consensual homosexual activity explicitly legal in all of it's territories in 1858, and it was only made illegal in most of these after they were conquered by western imperialists. Turkey also had the first openly transgender celebrity in modern history, Bulent Ersoy who came out in the 70's, and has not had crackdowns or widespread, public discrimination against homosexuality and transsexuality until recently (mainly under Erdoğan). *Afghanistan and Pakistan: Has the traditional concept of Bacha posh, in which someone born as a girl can be cultural accepted as a boy, which is encouraged in families with no male children. Although they are often, but not always, expected to revert back to be women once they become adults. Pakistan also officially recognizes khwaja sara (see my notes on Hijra bellow) as a "third gender" and has had it as an option on national ID cards since 2009. *Albania: Has a somewhat similar concept of Burrnesha, in which someone born a woman chooses to take up all male social-roles and status, but it is permanent and can be done at any age. *Israel: Despite being quite conservative on many, many other issues, Israel has a fairly decent track-record with LGBT rights, but this is common knowledge at this point anyways. Also many South-Asian countries has the traditionally accepted practice of Hijra (also known by a multitude of local terms) which is considered a third gender, but is comparable to the western understanding of transwomen and have practiced sex reassignment surgery since long before the modern era. They faced severe attempts of eradication under western imperialism, but has slowly been regaining their rights. (I was also considering talking about Thailand, Nepal and the Bugis as "surrounding countries", but ultimately decided that I had already made my point.)

[@tahahussein3254]

I'd like to add that Egyptian society had begun to progress again (when it comes to trans people) before the Iranian revolution, there was even a popular pro-trans film en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Hanafi . Also, Egypt has had a trans actress who mostly played supporting roles in famous movies www.cairoscene.com/ArtsAndCulture/Video-Documenting-the-Life-and-Death-of-Egypt-s-First-Transsexual-Actress-Goes-Viral

[@XtardDestroyer]

Painocus another Libtard trying to make islamic shitholes like Iran sound progressive by leaving out that theyre FORCING homosexuals to transition on gunpoint or be put to death. No wonder Liberalism is a mental disorder and a tool to pander to islam

[@Painocus]

Xtard Destroyer: Being tolerant of transsexuals doesn't mean they are also tolerant of homosexuals. We were explicitly talking about transsexuals, how did you fuck this up? Also I'm not a liberal.

[@Painocus]

Xtard Destroyer: It's both. They have a cultural framework for transsexualism, and they force gay people to conform to that framework.

[@XtardDestroyer]

Painocus thats not progressive. And that framework is not tollerance, its a tool because it bypasses their fake religious book of hatred

[@TheGyanreyer]

God, he really looks like someone who'd call themselves "Amazing Atheist"

[@sociallyineptspider-man2366]

Tg makes atheists look bad😩

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Some times I wonder if many of these atheists should be religious instead. At least they would have something to cling to instead of running their mouths senselessly.

[@stinkoshatter-shield2096]

socially inept spider-man all these super confrontational edgy reactionary atheists make atheism look bad and are guilty of the same bullshit that they criticise evangelicals over

[@TheSm1thers]

He named his channel because when he grew up atheism was highly shunned. His channel was a safe-haven for atheists at the time.

[@mrasray7622]

@TheSm1thers yeah,but you need to agree that naming your Channel “atheist” nowadays makes you look like a pretentious prick that imposes his beliefs over others for no reason

[@amelianannette972]

"non-human animals aren't capable of having opinions" um excuse me, my dog has a very strong opinion on, uh, which dog food he likes and which one he will refuse to eat

[@moscanaveia]

I would also refuse to eat transphobes.

[@Sanguicat]

@@moscanaveia Yeah they taste vile

[@Sage_the_Turt]

@@Sanguicat time for compost

[@gem9535]

My dog has VERY strong opinions about my mother or I leaving the house ever.

[@caitlinerickson7355]

Shaun: “the world’s greatest living philosopher Stefan Molyneux” Me: sitting here with the video paused because I can’t hear it over my own laughter. Also, that picture of him pretending to be a real person is absolutely amazing.

[@chesspiece4257]

My first response to that was ‘that’s not philosophy tube... oh wait it’s a joke’

[@CloudedByKatana]

"Crocodiles: No opinions on trans people" Nah, obviously crocodiles say trans rights

[@anuel3780]

Sobek

[@RawrMeansIDontLoveU]

This is so refreshing. I'm ftm trans and it's so rare to see someone who's not transphobic; someone who's an actual ally. Thank you for standing up for us.

[@paddyfolan]

You’ve plenty of allies everywhere and know there’s people who support your decisions and prepared to fight with you against bigots and small minded people. Just be you and live your own truth!

[@WollongongWacko]

I'm not transphobic and think tj is funny and interesting. Have a fucking rocking day!

[@somed214]

"I'm not transphobic but this joke about a trans teen being raped and murdered by ethnic stereotypes was funny and interesting. Have a nice day, you degenerate! That was a funny joke, by the way."

[@WollongongWacko]

Seneth Somed I did find that funny, still do, and I'm not a bigot, but if you want to paint me as a bigot because of what I laugh at, that is your prerogative. Cheers.

[@RawrMeansIDontLoveU]

Seneth Somed humour is subjective. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and keep the positivity going. OuO

[@leonlawson2196]

that video on the African stereotypes genuinely made me really sad and feel guilty for buying in to this exact amazing athiest video years ago.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

The irony being female lions hunt while male lions loiter around fighting off other males...….

[@moscanaveia]

I swore Shaun would throw that shade. Glad I'm not the one who noticed xD

[@MrCmon113]

I fail to see the irony.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

@Aplle Aplle What's ironic about that ? Anyway, we haven't been living in a hunter gatherer society for tend of thousands of years.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

@Aplle Aplle if you say so. It's a two year old comment. Don't know what't the bloody video is about anymore.

[@PasteurizedLettuce]

@Aplle Aplle the funny thing about this claim is that it’s both intuitively true, misleading and unfalsifiable at the same time. Yes, all humans needed to collect food in various times and places, which obviously included men since why the hell wouldn’t they. However, this fails to imply what you mean to imply - which is that men, and more specifically men as hailed as masculine ideal are the crux of human society and without this concept of men as breadwinner then all humans would have died. It’s especially funny since multiple societies existed for thousands of years without a strict male/female hunter division and indeed many of the early societies you’re referring to would have had some female participation, trading off caregiving for the baby.

[@tuvieja1697]

Crocodile's silence on transphobia related issue is deafening 😔😔😔

[@moscanaveia]

Not transphobic, not homophobic, not mysogynistic, not racist. Crocs are the way to be. Maybe we should reframe the "dehumanization" issue. When animals do not display bigotry and humans do, shouldn't we be dehumanizing more? XD

[@QueenFondue]

Crocs are complicit, that's all I'm saying 😤

[@sirius1696]

@@QueenFondue like that 200 year old turtle who apparently had nothing to say about slavery, smdh

[@davidtaylor142]

The easiest way for evil to triumph is for a good reptile to do nothing. What a shame

[@sankalp2520]

Crocodile babies can change sex depending on the surrounding temperature inside eggs. They must have something to say about transphobia, and it looks like they are very amgry about that.

[@katiekatie6289]

Wait, so the "Amazing" Atheist edited Milo's face onto an extremely feminine scantly clad female body, and yet we're supposed to believe he's not transphobic?

[@sarcasticspaceleopard8439]

Watch the video, Katie.

[@katiekatie6289]

Sarcastic Space Leopard What makes you think I didn't?

[@sarcasticspaceleopard8439]

I mean the original video. And perhaps the rest of his videos. He's not racist, sexist or transphobic. People that simply don't like his tone use it to smear him

[@thesecloseddoors]

actions speak louder than words etc etc

[@katiekatie6289]

Sarcastic Space Leopard So occasionally standing up for trans rights means it's okay for him to keep doing transphobic shit? Does it make up for that? Does it make it okay?

[@tessaricha]

As an Indian, I can confirm, the imperialism(and Colonialism) and heteronormativity part. India had different opinion about trans community and homosexuality, but post colonialism, things have changed.

[@MF-R]

As someone who was raised on a farm; I can confirm that animals don't seem to be too concerned with gender. I've seen boys mount boys, girls mount girls, and even girls trying to mount boys.

[@heather2503]

That was not a sentence I expected to see ever

[@jewels3400]

@@heather2503 it happens

[@flower_girl4983]

What?

[@flower_girl4983]

Eww

[@cheesecakesubs]

it's wild to me that chickens sometimes randomly become intersex, roosters become hens sometimes and fullfill a hen role and lay on eggs and become a roosters hoe, and sometimes hens become roosters and fight other roosters and try to get hoes

[@RihokoSakuraiFan]

That part with Stefan Molyneux, Laura Southern and shoe0nhead had me dying. You tell like 1 joke per video but they're always grand slams. Keep it up my guy, I love you.

[@tjcofer7517]

Yeah sometimes I watch a video I am not interested in just for the joke and then leave after he makes it.

[@whichcache2517]

I got the first two but not really the third? What makes shoe0nhead "Boxy" (if that's how you spell it, I dunno)? I'm not familiar enough with her work to get the joke.

[@tjcofer7517]

@@whichcache2517 Boxxy was this character from the early days of youtube with a pretty crazy following (lots of people really liked her as well as plenty who hated her enough to dox her and try to get her banned)... she acted kinda spazy and really excited in her videos... but the joke is really basic they look similar some people mix them up dispite the fact that they are different people...it is really not that funny having it explained to you

[@whichcache2517]

@@tjcofer7517 Eh, it's fine. I learned something new today, so that was worth something.

[@m.h2247]

TJ Cofer wow I just looked her up and they do look similar!

[@TindraSan]

also editing milo's face onto the body of a female bikini model is just wrong on so many levels. like, how old was milo when this happened? sexualizing a trans man this way is already fucked up, but if milo was a minor that makes it even worse!

[@johndough6225]

sounds like you're the one sexualizing the image to me... srsly who df watched that and got a tingly sensation in their pants? Lmao

[@YeTism]

TindraSan sounds like your projecting..

[@Benbeasted]

All these people saying TJ didn't sexualize this person by putting their face on a scantily clad model are deluding themselves. If he wasn't doing that, he could've used a picture that wasn't an almost naked woman.

[@ILoveLLawlietxD]

@@johndough6225 not you making excuses to PS a minors face on a bikini models pictures-

[@ILoveLLawlietxD]

@@Benbeasted they rly think people are gonna believe that shit if only they lie enough over not knowing that these types of shoots generally are sexually charged lmao

[@5ystemError]

I'm glad I never got into the atheist cesspool in youtube.... just watching clips from that Amazing Atheist video is painful. It's like, "why is this gamestop cashier flailing and yelling at me about gender roles"

[@scorake14]

Glad you didn't would be terrible seeing a waste of space body bag with no internal organs or has no idea how to use them on the atheist cesspool in youtube. And im not even an atheist thats the funny part XD

[@bootlegpersona8204]

scorake14 you're really weird

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

I'm glad I *got out* of the atheist cesspool, as well as the "skeptic" cesspool, before it *really* got ugly. I wish these channels would just shut down already.

[@Boltothemage]

I was big into the Atheist skeptic community when I was young, and it was pretty sad because the main reason I got into that community was because a lot of the early skeptic youtubers focused on cutting down religious arguments against things like gay marriage and rights or treating women like property. And as a young gay teen in the mid-2000's content, most of what I could find was in that community. But eventually the ones that stuck around and the newcomers all changed to be antifeminist and anti-lgbt. I hesitantly got into a new atheist youtuber about a month ago and I actually really like him. His name is Mr. Atheist and he's very LGBT and feminist friendly and even uses trans inclusive language. He has a tendency to slip into the angry atheist man yelling at the camera schtick at times, but it's at least usually over stuff like religion being used as an excuse to oppress women and/or lgbt people. I don't agree with him on everything, but it's the first channel of that variety that I've been able to watch in a long time.

[@corinefem9122]

Its weird tho, the only atheist skeptics i know of are leftists like mr atheist

[@MrSicdaniel]

Why do these people shout so much

[@matti.8465]

Talking louder makes you sound smarter and saying arguments angrily makes it sound as if you were stating an obvious fact.

[@LouieV6]

Isn’t it obvious? They haven’t gotten laid.

[@ryanweible9090]

anger moves a discussion to an emotional level and throws rational speakers off a little bit.

[@ExternalDialogue]

Because they are engaged and they care about what they talk about. They are actually genuinely interested.

[@no_peace]

Men are rational lol

[@darynvoss7883]

6:34 Also, note that 0.1% plus 99% does not equal 100%.

[@RobinKoenig1917]

Daryn Voss we are the 99.1%!

[@Torthrodhel]

What is he though, a mathematician? You can't expect him to add sums, he's too busy being rational. Gods, I just realized that I actually better put a sarcasm indicator on this, lest anyone think I'm serious. Okay. Sarcasm indicator.

[@ScoopMeisterGeneral]

LTo be fair, it isn't his lack of maths ability that make him wrong. He's wrong because he's wrong, irrespective of whether he can add up correctly.

[@Veolynn13]

“Crocodiles: No opinion of trans people” Yes.

[@DragonMaiden77]

GammaWALLE I appreciate your picture

[@plushs]

you did not just tell me that bottoms were oppressed in ancient rome

[@useroffline9999]

u can’t tell me we’re not still oppressed 😢😤😭

[@plushs]

@@useroffline9999 we? speak for yourself

[@useroffline9999]

plush but but.... it’s not my fault im baby

[@benjaminharmon6541]

To a trans person coming out, disagreeing comes across the same as someone disagreeing when you tell them you're allergic to something, something that is absolutely not up for debate. But the sad thing is that plenty of people disagree with other people's allergies too!

[@totokekedile]

You know, I might actually disagree with someone who says they have an allergy. Like someone who says they're allergic to gluten while drinking a beer. But I'd still do the respectful thing, i.e. keep my opinion to myself and treat them like they have an allergy anyway. That's the sort of behavior I'd expect from someone who "disagrees" about trans people, too.

[@xhantTheFirst]

What does "disagreeing with someone being trans" even mean?

[@lark613]

It's like homophobes saying "I don't *believe* in gay marriage"

[@lark613]

It's like homophobes saying "I don't *believe* in gay marriage"

[@lark613]

It's like homophobes saying "I don't *believe* in gay marriage"

[@Maniafig]

I remember when I was stuck in the atheist youtube hole for a time and felt smugly smart for it, I'm glad I got out of there before it turned into the cesspool of transphobia and such it is now. Also wow TJ is incredibly, obnoxiously shouty, I couln't actually get through his bits since they were just that annoying.

[@djangofett4879]

I still like cult of dusty. He is more reasonable now than many other "skeptics". He and TJ were the first youtubers i ever watched.

[@somed214]

I ended up resubscribing to Cult of Dusty since he lost so many of his other subs after speaking the heresy that SJWs might not be the greatest threat facing the world today. I still don't like him all that much, but hey. I don't like Feminist Frequency either but I stay subbed just to piss on the antis.

[@xevious1538]

aron ra is another good one.

[@WELSHGAMER99]

I feel like Cult of Dusty may actually be the only reasonable one left. Even though he is pretty much hated by the "skeptic community" he does make some dumb points but his ability to point out both flaws in both the political spectrum is admirable even if I disagree with some points.

[@abbreviatedalex2418]

Just like to give a shout out to Hugo and Jake for anyone scrolling through these comments a year after the fact. As of November 2018, they're still chill and reasonable, and still talk primarily about religion, and while they try to stay out of drama and just get along with people, they have on several occasions talked about how it's a shame that they skeptic community swung right into anti-feminism a couple years ago. I also personally find them really funny, though of course you may not, and though some may have slipped past me, I can't recall them making punching-down jokes, and as a queer person I tend to be pretty sensitive to that.

[@CherryBlossom-rs7lm]

I actually quite like sassy shaun. He's a laugh.

[@WannabeMarysue]

That edit from TJ's racist clip to the actual clip of the men speaking (starts at 17:28) ...pretty powerful stuff... nice freakin' e dit... Also your preamble where you speak about how you're opinion on mental illnesses had evolved is good shit. Thank you.

[@DaveGrean]

I really like MARY SUE's transphobic content!

[@WannabeMarysue]

man this is an old reply. must have missed it. anyway, i've honestly got no idea what you're talking about and have reasons to believe this is a troll comment, but I can handle criticism. if you remember what you were talking about (which if you don't, is fine) I can listen. Thanks!

[@KarbinCry]

Your let's plays were great. I'll always carry Jenks in my heart, mate!

[@RockBottomRiser21]

KarbinCry Contradiction is unironically in my top 5 games of all time. "And why did that girl shout?!"

[@KarbinCry]

Steven W Honestly, the current content made by Shaun is just an extension of Jenks' crusade to Spot the Liar :)

[@beanie2571]

i know he steers away from it now, but hearing shaun say “TJ, you dumb fuck” is so funny

[@neo_marshkga]

I love how the skeptics say they are not angry, they are not triggered, but they are ALWAYS screaming in every single one of their videos.

[@greenred6200]

And what are they angry about? It's never about anything that comes close to warranting it.

[@AmeliaMastervally]

It's keeps their 12 fans interested lol

[@tracycampbell9492]

Gosh, the amazing atheist... I remember ten years ago, being in the closet and depressed and thinking everything was fake and actually liking the sheer cynicism of the early Atheist community. It felt like that lasted forever but in retrospect I apparently grew out of it a lot faster than others, jumping ship before it really started fusing into the Alt-Right shit. I regarded the amazing atheist as one of the least awful ones, found him funny even. But like South Park, you get wiser and learn to love yourself and grow out of it.

[@tracycampbell9492]

"Geniuses by way of knowing the earth is round" about sums it up. They made early careers for themselves tackling low-hanging fruit, people that would even identify as anti-science (thinking the age of the earth or its roundness is some vast conspiracy), and then tried to branch out and tackle other stuff like everyone was just that easy, that they could just be that dismissive of anyone. I remember never being a fan of Thunderfoot and not hearing much about him until he stopped doing "ooh, science by the way" videos to attack feminists and muslims. Back then a few people actually called him out, but they were called traitors trying to split the "community". I guess that's how it got so insular. Justifying bigotry was taken as-all important as if in the name of "freeze peach" and anyone disrupting that was the outsider. After a decade of that its hardly any wonder the whole thing went where it did...

[@Ronni3no2]

Did you mean to say that South Park got wiser and learned to love itself or that South Park is garbage and you grew out of it? :)

[@a1ntcry1noveru]

Tracy Campbell Lol, imagine just coming to terms with how you feel about religion, or your lack of belief anyway, exploring atheism and skepticism for the first time, going on KZbin and finding all these wonderful videos by all these wonderful people/free thinkers and thinking “where have I been all my life?!” Starting to look up to all these people you’ve developed newfound admiration and respect for. But instead of this happening in 2007, it happened in 2015-2016.. lol That was my experience with the KZbin atheist community (as well as Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, etc.). My enjoyment and reverence of my newfound “heroes” (for lack of a better word) was so short lived. Because that’s seems to be when everyone was starting to lose their shit and become problematic. I’d go to see what other videos they had, and it seemed to be a never ending list of the evils of feminism and these people called “sjws” with something about religion here and there. I subscribed and unsubscribed to a few people in a short span of time lol. It makes me sad. I feel cheated of the Atheist glory days here on KZbin that I keep hearing about. I got in the game wayyy too late lol. Ahh well . I’ve learned, just because someone’s an atheist doesn’t mean they’re always rational. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@SuperHuscarl]

Dear Shaun: I want to thank you for helping me get myself out of the Anti-SJW rabbit hole. I used to be very much with those guys, but as I grew older, and thought about it, I realized that I was going down a pretty messed up path. Now, I just have my own views. I research true facts about certain subjects, and I let that evidence guide my views. I no longer follow these people's views, unless they make reasonable sense to me. Again, thank you. You've gained a new subscriber.

[@drewspencerpenrose2003]

I just binge watched nearly all your videos over the course of a few days. They're quite good, but now every time I read anything, I can't help but imagine it being spoken in your voice. Which is fine, I suppose.

[@incognito253]

Shaun is the new Morgan Freeman

[@Ashmoke]

"the worlds greatest living philosopher..." 😂😂

[@BrorealeK]

I'm glad you're fine-tuning your language for future videos, but hearing you get suddenly aggressive at finding out who the men used for AA's racist skit was hilarious. This was the first video of yours I watched. Never even noticed it had disappeared, actually, because your content has just steadily improved over time. I count myself lucky to be one of your audience.

[@death_crater]

The video of those students staring directly at the camera right after TJ's racist rant made me physically cringe

[@phoenixeditz2120]

"I'm sorry, seemingly friendly African man." Had me bustin up laughing. idk why nothing you said was inherently funny, just the way it was phrased and delivered was hilarious to me.

[@FuzzyTrekkie]

Just listening to TJ raises my blood pressure. Does he ever stop yelling?

[@wyrmoffastring]

The amount of shade in that intro just fixed global warming.

[@juliusbourbeau7461]

Just wanted to say thanks for your videos in general. It’s so refreshing to see people on KZbin who aren’t... well... the amazing atheist

[@nihil626]

I've been waiting for this. Glad to see it in my feed. You made my night, man.

[@snapgab]

Lol, you are brilliant, and catching the origin of that picture he used was like striking gold! So definitely a good call on reuploading this video.

[@LeftIsBest]

I'm enjoying all your videos, and I just wanted to add that I appreciate you talking about / taking ownership for changing attitude or at least care around the use of language. Cheers to you.

[@Jaigarful]

I remember watching a few of TJ's videos a long time ago and liking them. But over the years, I grew to understand youtube more, and what people like him do. His content is not geared to inform his audience. His content is there to reinforce their existing opinions and get some cheap laughs from the choir. Thing is, this is the norm for most forms of media.

[@ryanmartian2002]

I just wanted to say that I discovered your content a few months ago when one of your Cinemasins videos was recommended to me. I thoroughly enjoyed all of those and was pleasantly surprised with the rest of your content. It's a breath of fresh air from the unending stream of alt-right, MRA, conservative et al. hive minded content that plagues most of KZbin and the internet in general. Keep up the fantastic work and I look forward to your next video.

[@WillaGem]

I really don't get why anyone would enjoy watching TJ. He is incredibly abrasive.

[@WollongongWacko]

AngryRobo maybe you dont know because you're stupid, or maybe just ignorant. Why do you think you cant figure it out?

[@MrKillingGuy]

AngryRobo because as long as its not directed at them its more pallateable and can so easier to find humour in, especially if you get off to upsetting people

[@bialis996]

because people are too lazy to think for themselves

[@sarcasticspaceleopard8439]

That's the point

[@jackkent3066]

You answered your own question buddy. If people that agree with someone and they come across as abrasive, or aggressive and certain in there arguments, then you'll usually get the comments like "Tj tells it as it is," or "He says what I'm thinking/ what other people are too afraid to say." etc.

[@jerner17]

when you said "TJ you dumb fuck" at 17:17 I spit out my drink. I'm not use to you being so blunt and it cracked me up

[@despiera]

“Quick video” *Sees almost 20 minute mark* Bro, I ain’t even mad (cause I love you guys)

[@JoshForeman]

I really appreciate your evolution and willingness to talk about the changes and why you made them. Keep it up!

[@famuel2604]

Did this same amazing athiest video spawn both Shaun and Contrapoints. Good job TJ!

[@brendanmccabe8373]

“Go down the evolutionary line” my god he doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[@dialectics1077]

First video of yours I watched and man, I wish I had started watching more earlier. Makes me think there is hope for a better type of humanity.

[@LeftOdogus]

Hol' up Did TJ actually photoshop Milos face on top of some bikini model??? Milo, who was still minor when that video came out, got edited as a half naked model by an adult man! I know hes a bit nasty with the bananas but seriously?!? Thats some next level grease over there

[@useroffline9999]

milo endured an absurd amount of harassment during their unfortunate trip through peak anti-SJW youtube. but Jesus Christ, this is something else.

[@MrCmon113]

Nothing in comparison to the trolling that Milo does.

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

Funny he mentions "Middle-Eastern society." Some Muslim traditions allow for something like trans people and sex reassignment surgery. I say "like" because their gender concepts don't map strictly onto the typical conceptions of transgender. These people are called mukhannathun, or hijras in Pakistan. It's still restrictive and (from my quick wiki session) seems to be limited to MTF, but it's there and allowed if they conclude the person cannot suppress their "effeminate" urges. So, unsurprisingly, his racist stereotype was an over-simplification.

[@The7thDraconian]

I really agree with you about the "attributing deliberate action to unintelligence kind of let's the off the hook" point. Especially since this lack of research and lazy arguments aren't because they don't know any better, but because they know they can get away with it since the audience they're pandering too will often take it at face value.

[@ouijacorn]

This is just one of many, *many* shitty things, but him photoshopping Milo's head onto a sexy bikini-clad body makes my skin crawl.

[@benfiander40]

For anyone wanting an update tj has been shoving left. He openly admits his earlier vids are bigot fuel and hes sorry for the damage hes caused and the springboard he gave to other early youtube sceptical comunity "For anyone making a profit from this miss information still your welcome. To anyone who was hurt by this content im deepy sorry" I dont trust him as a political comentator but he is atleast aware and trying to improve

[@codascapegoat1887]

He's come a long way, but he still has bigoted beliefs. Kinda taken aback by his open eugenicism, and how many of his fans share that view as if it was the default

[@benfiander40]

@@codascapegoat1887 oh i agree. im not endorsing him or his videos. Still an easy way to trip into the redpill state. but he is atleast aware of the damage his words can have and he acknowledges them publicly

[@username45739]

TJ was taking down open as well as masked racists years before Shaun appeared, and a quick YT search would've quickly shown that. Shaun's lazy himself mao

[@69Satan69]

If he truly was, then he'd take down all his past bigoted videos. Saying that you're sorry isn't enough.

[@YEY0806]

@You'reWhatYouCallMe💀 Yeah, I really wouldn't let someone off the hook for just saying sorry, because if that's all you do to redeem yourself, then I don't care. After all actions speak louder than words and from TJ's actions I know that the dude is nothing but a grifter with no courage to take a stance

[@koopag8]

my boy shaun up early!

[@Aconitum_napellus]

Or really late, like me.

[@smmm5559]

Something Dreadful 😂😂😂😂😂

[@LadySauceVonCoffee]

i've never watched an amazing atheist video, and jesus christ, why does he scream at the camera like that??? i'd be legitimately terrified to be in the same room as a man with that temper...

[@WollongongWacko]

Karin Hammarsten cool rational thoughts in your brain, keep being you, bet its really enjoyable.

[@LadySauceVonCoffee]

WollongongWacko no, you're right. i'm irrational, whereas the man who makes shouty videos featuring racist "jokes" is a paragon of logic. you really got me there.

[@WollongongWacko]

The logic is strong down here

[@AntiYourFacePhD]

I remember he made a video where he randomly started making jokes about beating the crap out of his camera man. Like... randomly pointed towards the guy filming him and started taking about punching him out. Guy just seems all around unpleasant to know.

[@benv3049]

the anger economy is a cornerstone of the KZbin community. if you yell loud enough you can guarantee that you'll get ad views from disaffected high schoolers.

[@deltachiken5847]

As soon as I saw the picture he used I knew exactly what video it came from and oh man I got upset lol

[@mcglk]

Wow. TJ is really difficult to listen to. Like an especially thought-free dental drill.

[@evilapiary5860]

I hate that I used to like TJ's videos years ago. I feel like a sucker for thinking he ever had anything worthwhile to say.

[@UnfortunatelyTheHunger]

Same here

[@WollongongWacko]

Evil Apiary hey Brett Keane, pipe dorwn

[@lexluthore6065]

It could be worst you could still be knee deep red pills

[@lexluthore6065]

Pills are bad for u

[@quleughy]

To be fair, his earlier videos were just him repeating the arguments of actual academics instead of those of alt-rightists, so it makes sense that anyone thought he was credible in as far as knowing his stuff. I mean, he quoted people like Jared Diamond, Hawking, and Krugman to support his arguments instead of making lazy google searches. He even was one of the few who called out Thunderf00t’s insanity when Thunderf00t threatened the genocide of Muslims in a video against Dawafilms. But as he got greedy for more money that the left wasn’t providing, however, that’s when he slowly made the transition from being an intellectual to, well, himself.

[@djaevlenselv]

2:01 Wait, is that actually Laura Loomer or are you making that joke where you pretend to confuse her with one of the two others? Because I'm _not_ making that joke. I *actually* can't tell them apart.

[@shanebischoff1764]

djaevlenselv that was Lauren Southern actually. He was just joking that she and Laura Loomer are indistinguishable.

[@djaevlenselv]

Ah, so he _was_ making that joke, thanks! I know they're indistinguishable, hence my own confusion :D There's also the third one, who I just remembered today is called Tomi Lahren. Eventually I think I might be able to remember all of them.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

Wow, hi there! I saw you as a Patreon of some KZbinr or other. Cool!

[@live_kaito_reaction]

Wait there's Laura Loomer and Laura Southern? This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!

[@samhargreaves8656]

ha nice joke that was pretty funny

[@jackr2500]

Tj is such a character. Like how he says he can’t be homophobic because he’s bisexual

[@PhoenixRising87]

IKR? Not like there's not a ton of gatekeeping and bigotry within the LGBT community itself or anything.

[@octaviusroosevelt7355]

Anyone who says someone can't be bigoted against their group has never heard of people like Kalvin Guerra, Laura Southern or Black Confederates. It's one of the most blatant displays of self-hatred I've ever seen, which makes it funny how they accuse us of hating ourselves. I mean, even if we do, at least we aren't sacrificing others in our communities out of spite.

[@apertureemployee215]

What a shouty and unpleasant person

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Bet he also doesn't brush so... That's wonderful lol.

[@djelibaebi]

Its really nice to see youtubers grow and adapt! it reminds me of the changes the mcerloy's have done over the past few years - especially in terms of inclusivity! Its the same kind of growth i want to achieve in my personal life, so thanks for setting a good example ♥!

[@ScrotumusMaximus]

All these angry white dudes... Is there like a factory somewhere?

[@malis9045]

No they are born like every Eukaryiot Cell through dividimg themselves into copies of themselves

[@mothpixie]

Dip Shit kkkssklkslskskksks

[@Dorian_sapiens]

Not a factory. A farm in the fertile heartland of Angrywhitemanistan.

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

Galactic Burglar They just spring out of the ground. I think they sell Angry White Dude Weed Killer at Home Depot.

[@MrJohndoakes]

Yes, the racism factory. Felix Biederman (Chapo Trap House) claimed his family owned one.

[@AHeckman118]

As someone who used to take TJ seriously, it's good that you reuploaded this. Watching this, I'm reminded of when I was ignorantly nodding along to his videos and I'm glad I moved on. If you can help someone do what I did, then this video is worth it.

[@torkelsvenson6411]

I'm glad TJ seems to have grown out of this phase, I do enjoy alot of his more recent material, especially when he goes after Ben Shapiro. I enjoy DFF too.

[@supremeplatypus7192]

Actually can you explain what the heck happened to TJ while I wasn't looking? Like did he just go full leftist or what? I had a little look at his channel but I'm hesitant to dive deeper right now

[@torkelsvenson6411]

@@supremeplatypus7192 You'll find most of the new material on the Deep Fat Fried channel nowadays instead, the Onion Nuggetz segments are the ones with more political content. He was always left wing, up until 2016 or so he went mostly after Republicans/Christian conservatives, but he also unintentionally started the anti SJW movement in 2011 and realised he could attract a larger audience that way and fell more into that rabbit hole as seen in this video, but then he more or less realised the damage it was doing with the rise of Trump and how the anti SJW content was basically working as a gateway to the alt right and therefore stopped doing that kind of content. He's still an edge lord in many ways and holds on to his views on SJWs/prudes wanting to censor art but doesn't consider it a priority considering how that kind of content has been used. I recommend watching his videos "TJ on [x]" from about 2 years ago where he further explains his views. Edit: His talks with Vaush are great too.

[@torkelsvenson6411]

@@supremeplatypus7192 Although I think his best video is the two parter "Ben Shapiro doesn't understand anything ".

[@supremeplatypus7192]

@@torkelsvenson6411 Thanks I might check them out!

[@EricRosenfield]

Wow I find the Amazing Athiest's voice really grating just to listen to

[@AppleFish]

Eric Rosenfield It is. I used to like him, but I no longer watch him. I think he believes he's the most intelligent person to have ever lived.

[@ShinGallon]

TJ's voice is like glass in a garbage disposal. Ugh.

[@vennd1249]

He has a punch able voice. I did not know that was possible.

[@inphanta]

This is the most poetically accurate description of that grating imbecile I have ever read. Kudos to you!

[@willrainsford96]

lmao at sexual dimorphism = the exact gender roles we have today somehow (about 10:00), and specifically the implication that the nebulous "delineated gender roles" he references are ALWAYS what we would understand to be cis- or heteronormative. the animal kingdom (and hell, human cultures) are way more varied than that

[@overgrownkudzu]

also pretty sure lions haven't yet produced any theories about cisnormativity anyway so their opinion is not necessarily the most worth while

[@thesleepydot]

I have to point out that the fact that he edited Milo’s body to be that of a presumably female model posing in a bikini is very fucked up. He not only invalidated Milo’s identity and misgendered them, but he made sure to bring attention to the idea that Milo is afab (assigned female at birth). but not even that, he wanted to to be BLATANTLY obvious by having the woman wear a bikini specifically.. as an afab non-binary person myself, who does experience some dysphoria, the thought of someone editing me in this was is incredibly upsetting to me. like i cant overstate just how uncomfortable that would be…

[@yoloswaggins7121]

What does non binary mean? Like what do you mean when you say you are non binary? Do you mind explaining it to me? You are pretty much the first person I've ever met who identifies as such. As I understand your comment, you are female but you kind of feel like you are a male (dysphoria) but you haven't fully transitioned yet. Is that right? And if so, what does it mean to be non binary in the context of dysphoria? You don't have to respond if you don't want to. I am just curious.

[@thesleepydot]

@@yoloswaggins7121 sorry I didn’t respond sooner! would you still like to know what being non-binary means (to me)? or have you already figured it out through other sources? ^^

[@Skriak]

I used to like TJ once. How come so many "free-thinker" channels eventually turned into anti-feminists?

[@gee_emm]

GayStation64 Because of clicks and views. The HodgeTwins used to largely liberal, Stefan Molyneux was preaching racial equality once upon a time, and Jordan Peterson used to dress up zoot suit style, hat and all. Ah, the good old days...

[@Skriak]

@@gee_emm Big Joel actually did a great video about this that made it make a lot of sense. It's called Fall of the KZbin Skeptics i think. The change from anti creationism to reactionary seems really strange until you look at it from purely cynical perspectives.

[@antipsychotic451]

money

[@Skelloween]

The racism is gross. Those guy's are sweet. 😿

[@irepresent235]

Skelloween how was he racist? He based the African segment on something someone actually said in Africa.

[@iuffcgpuu]

+Austin Bossidy So I can just put any white person's face over audio of an hitler speech and present the whole race as that?

[@arcaloastradimavae8945]

Austin Bossidy you realize white pastors in America literally say shit like this too right?

[@Treetops27]

@@irepresent235 "You touch my tra la la" -Something someone said in Africa

[@haydenchristensen2952]

@@iuffcgpuu someone doesn't know what a joke is?

[@candy-ninja]

He personally scares me, I wouldn't touch that guy with a pole. There's something seriously wrong with that man.