Abusing Statistics ft. Black Pigeon Speaks

[@littlepinkskeleton]

> goes to denmark > sees a rotten apple on the ground > something is rotten in the state of denmark

[@katekursive1370]

[a sheet torn from someone's balcony flies by] the vengeful Ghost is here

[@A_Drift...]

Okay. I lol'd.

[@fulcrum2951]

Denmark isn't real

[@Ftfwjdndfjw]

@@fulcrum2951 fianally someone drops some truth

[@ninjasheep7492]

In the “state Denmark” grammar is lesser

[@aliecat1999]

I'm personally noticing a trend of politically right wing people on the internet citing studies which outright disagree with their claim to support their claim

[@matthewvaughan5786]

I've noticed a trend of the left doing the exact same thing.

[@aliecat1999]

I'm not trying to attack you. I just think that people want the legitimacy of empirical evidence without needing to read, or to understand and read, not because they're incapable of it.

[@snappycaster]

Matthew Vaughan the classic "no you!" Response.

[@SilortheBlade]

Comments of Matthew Vaughan, brought to you by the I'm rubber and you're glue institute.

[@swiftxrt]

agreed. the whole "you're argument is childish" critique would work better if the argument wasn't so accurate.

[@TheAlmonteFilms]

Of course no one is exempt from personal bias... but love your cool-headed analysis of statistics and trying to be as fair as possible. All of your videos about statistics and data in general have really taught me a lot about how we should be skeptical even of the KZbin skeptics with their pseudo "rational" emotionless stat manipulation. I know this shit takes a huge amount of emotional labor to really create an entire 30 minute video to try and dissect large amounts of data. I'm super picky about who I support on Patreon but you deserve way more than anyone can give. Really wish this channel would explode with views the way Anti-SJW channels explode. But we all know what the dominant political ideology on KZbin is...

[@pugsyconglomerate]

Yay never knew you watched Shaun

[@maxxxstrong4577]

TheAlmonteFilms Do you believe islam is compatible with western civilization?

[@runningriot6399]

Maxxx Strong it can be. it is in America.

[@blackblaze5271]

I like this comment

[@FerociousPaul]

Maxxx Strong Any religion can be so long as you're not a zealot. Freedom of religion is a core tenant of the western world is it not?

[@paulonhisphone]

using sargons as a unit of time will never stop being funny

[@z0e898]

the new universal system: the sargon

[@botchamaniajeezus]

How long is a Sargon

[@ouitup4707]

A Sargon is 5 minutes

[@rockethero1177]

So this is six sargons long?

[@FerociousPaul]

Evan Hawboldt More accurately, it's 6.243333 Sargons

[@MBTYuGiOh]

This was billed on Patreon as "my most boring video yet." I hope you don't disappoint. EDIT: You liar.

[@minch333]

He does, I'm afraid. It's actually really interesting

[@KarbinCry]

minch333 You misogynist! Women can be hare brained fascist racists as well! ;)

[@lumen8341]

Troll harder, KarbinCry.

[@mcfeelyat]

The most boring videos are still the ones about Molyneux. Because that guy isn't even an interesting bigot.

[@KissatenYoba]

Video about Rome was pretty educational, actually.

[@Incitatus42]

As a danish person.. Yes. Please stop.

[@Glaaki13]

yes its getting really old

[@Tasmosunt]

NEVER!!!

[@nirualos]

Incitatus there's something rotten about this Danish comment.

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

To be or not to be.

[@doyleharken3477]

Glaaki13 About 418 years old.

[@unscenegamers]

>The Fraser institute Oh, the group that was created to justify clear cutting BC forests and went on to argue second hand smoke wasn't a thing in 1999. Whenever someone sources them I just have to pretend they didn't

[@adrienneczerni6516]

I'm not even Canadian but I'd sneak across the border to arson the Fraser Institute

[@hoagielamp6543]

And... Koch money. Who could have guessed?

[@MrMarinus18]

15:45 I wonder what would happen if you would put every single Euro spend on corporate subsidies together like that. It would also produce a scarily high number I have no doubt.

[@anewhero1216]

There’s a delicious level of irony in the fact that BPS is himself an immigrant - he’s calling himself a burden on Japan by proxy and probably not even realizing that that is what is implied lol

[@maivaiva1412]

you see, white people can't be immigrants. they're just folks who move to another country. immigrants, by definition, are black or brown and therefore bad. HARD /S

[@Cream12345Ice]

Damn, he moved to japan?

[@anewhero1216]

nihilismful it’s nice, makes him real easy to ridicule - you can basically dismiss his bullshit out of hand by simply thinking “says the immigrant” whenever he says something anti-immigrant lol

[@christophergreen6595]

The endless search for his fantasy waifu

[@rolfs2165]

The way he gets out of this: he doesn't consider himself an "immigrant" but an "expat". And those are okay. (But only white English-speaking people get to be expats, obviously.)

[@JP-dh1xv]

Bps treats statistics like he does women. Ignores them and berates them unless they support his cause.

[@minch333]

They never support his cause though so...

[@nyxworldorder2112]

Just like statistics

[@StCrimson667]

Amen to all of this! :D

[@pussylord1095]

*F U C K F R E E L Y*

[@fun_ghoul]

_"Bps treats statistics like he does women..."_ Selfishly, perfunctorily fucks them for less than ten minutes until he busts a nut?

[@TricksterModeEngaged]

To be fair, most pigeons just eat discarded French fries and poop on statues. Even poor and/or heavily partisan statistical analysis is an accomplishment for a pigeon in this context.

[@snappycaster]

Κέννυ Αντονέσκου U Shure owned that libturd u no that's sracrasm rite???

[@blipboigilgamesh7865]

@@karlkimber6752 you outsmarted the libtard! EPIC STYLE!! I have to say, you're a truly E P I C gamer, and you will definitely save your opressed kind from the feminist hive mind!!

[@ΠαντεληςΜαρκογιαννακης]

@@karlkimber6752 κλαψε πιο πολύ

[@bobi200samatar6]

Dude, pigeons are cute and make sweet noises. These guy is a pain to listen to.

[@mozarteanchaos]

this dude's a disgrace to pigeons. most pigeons are perfectly nice individuals and will just coo gently at you and maybe twitch their wings a bit if you pet them right, and will never say anything racist because they don't know what racism is. on the other hand, this pigeon knows what racism is and has decided that it's good, somehow

[@lbcyber]

Maybe don't start off your anti-immigration video with a shot of Toronto, which has a high immigrant population, is described as the most culturally-diverse city in the world, and has a relatively low crime rate and a high standard of living. You know: An easy refutation to most of your arguments. Just a thought.

[@theamazingliberal9545]

Toronto is a hellhole. I've been there.

[@XellDincht]

+lbcyber that sounds nice but Canada as a whole is just place 62. More homogeneous countries like Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan are under the top 10 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

[@eb7446]

To be honest, all large cities have that vibe because cities are compact, it's where also the soulless headquarters of corporations are, where inequality is most extreme. Depending where you are in Toronto, there are leafy, green, affluent areas, hard to call those hell holes. Yet, I don't want to live in Japan, or Singapore,or any "cleaner city". I don't like that conservative, oppressive culture there. It's too stifling for my taste. Vancouver is beautiful in many ways, but the inequality is absurd and unjust. Canadians deserve better. And, no as multicultural as Toronto is, it works well enough for that city. Much less segregated than European cities. So no, Toronto is not a prime example of multiculturalism failing. The only groups I see "sticking to their own" tend to be people there on Visa's or students, I have been ignored many a time trying to speak to foreign students(can only think it's some cultural thing), but are greeted with much friendliness by non white Canadian born youths, We get along.

[@harshitmadan6449]

Tokyo is better, it's an alt right fantasy.

[@georgeh4944]

Xell1987 true, but a lot of homogeneous countries has worse homicide rate than Canada, nice cherry picking there stupid. just an fyi, vast majority of people kill the people of their own "race". so diversity of a country is not really contributing to murders... dumb dumb. grow a brain next time?

[@smugidiot2413]

it always disgusts me when people argue whether immigration should be allowed solely on whether or not they cost money or give money in. i can even pull a conservative-like thing and recall how hitler did similar in regards to the disabled, the nazis would put forward propaganda saying that a disabled person costs the same as an entire family of healthy people for the state, thus the disabled person must be gotten rid of. people are defined by a lot more than just how much money they make or how much money it costs for them to live. it is just a tactic of dehumanization.

[@sourhill2292]

capitalism >:(

[@cipmaster1]

@@sourhill2292 lol fr? any functional society thinks about costs. They are not the most important thing but they sure matter. As someone from a third world country which is getting lots if inmigrants from another third world country, the economic burden of inmigration just isn't bearable for us. So even if we and people from a developed country had the same morals about inmigration, realistically we couldnt take the same decisions regarding inmigration policy.

[@EnverHalilHoxha1917]

​@@cipmaster1bait bot

[@yourdad6902]

So it's still capitalism what're you trying to say your country is poor cos it's used by more developed countries for profit ​@@cipmaster1

[@mononcrick9208]

As a Canadian, I always cringe when a news story starts with "according to a study from the Fraser Institute, "

[@quisquiliarum7710]

what's up with the Fraser Institute?

[@private2809]

@@quisquiliarum7710 they're a right wing think tank that has gone as far as casting doubt on the association between smoking and lung cancer as late as 1999.

[@Vhlathanosh]

@@quisquiliarum7710 they are conservative-libertarian that should tell you something at least.

[@certs743]

I laughed when BPS claimed with a straight face that Frasier Institute is non partisan.

[@luxy2854]

every single shaun video: 'this right winger hasn't even read his own sources' WHEN WILL THEY LEARN

[@WizbizMcBrix]

N E V E R

[@useroffline9999]

Aleara Their bodies would tear apart at the atomic level

[@sjk7467]

Luxy if they read their sources they’d have to actually find source that support them. That’s a very difficult thing to do when you’re wrong

[@FizzyJacksonAndTheOs]

@@sjk7467 I don't get it tbh. they could just make shit up and then cite their own "work" as a source. It's not that hard

[@sjk7467]

Ian B but when your audience doesn’t read your sources anyways, and lefties will obviously see through you citing yourself, why put in the effort?

[@desmondcarty5242]

I'm a bit annoyed that Migration Watch UK keeps the whole of Ireland in their logo.

[@monicanavarro2906]

Yeah, like they think it belongs to them LMAO

[@RegsaGC]

They do? Fucken hell you're right. The nerve of the bastards 😂 Don't get me wrong, I'm sympathetic to you, it's just so unexpectedly offensive

[@charliedawson4877]

Look, now I'm not gonna say Ireland is a water mark on any good map, but...

[@fulcrum2951]

26+6

[@user-qv2qf1jk5o]

The ONE time Ireland gets mentioned in a serious political way, and it’s these guys??

[@Silphanis]

6.24 whole sargons of mocking the birdman? And I thought today was gonna be dull.

[@ikendusnietjij2]

He takes news paper articles, then reads beyond the headline. The madman isn't even done then, he also reads the WHOLE first page. After which, he reads the source the news paper article claims to inform on. It's absolutely mental! It would have been within a single sargon if he did just read the headlines of the articles, but noooo he had to do the fancy smancy thing and read what the sources say!

[@TamaCinema69]

wait wait wait... you're saying he READS them? Oh my god he's a fucking genius.

[@Essakturbo1106]

If a single Sargon is 5 minutes long, wouldn't it be 6.226 Sargons long? Which, rounded up, is 6.23 Sargons long? I'm horrible at math and should be sent to prison for my lack of skills, but could you explain it to me?

[@TheWokenSpirit]

Snowybird77 I see SU, I press like

[@cruffatin]

+Frost minutes arent decimal (60s make up a minute not 100s), so 12 seconds as a percentage of 60 seconds is 20%, not 12%. Therefore, 31 mins 12 seconds expressed in decimal form is 31.2 minutes, not 31.12, and 31.2 / 5 = 6.24

[@Jrez]

Nearly 4 mins of uninterrupted BPS commentary right at the start. You really like testing the endurance of your viewers.

[@josepharte]

As someone who actually has studied economics and has a graduate degree in the subject, I can tell you that virtually no economist has found a negative effect of immigration on..... just about anything. Funny how people who are big on capitalism and "free markets" don't actually want an actual free market of labour because it means they have to have brown or Chinese people for neighbors.

[@harshitmadan6449]

Open borders and welfare state can't coexist. -Milton Friedman

[@Nunocesarsa]

@@Rawnesssoh gosh

[@ifeelaliveagain1854]

@@harshitmadan6449 well do they have to?

[@shaunenwright7872]

Youre right, a drastic increase in workers doesn't do anything to depress wages. It also isn't a great way to have chinese style wage slavery without having to spend the money shipping the product of said slavery back to your doorstep. After all, its not like a diverse lower and working class makes unification along class lines to demand better treatment nearly impossible especially when corporate interests are pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into inflaming those tensions. Furthermore, it doesn't disrupt working class communities at all. Its not like a rapidly changing population and rapidly changing cultural landscape hurts those who can least afford it. As someone who is also "a college man", the fact that you strawman any opposition to mass immigration as "muh dont like brown people" betrays the quality of your education. Saying that there is no such thing as bad immigration is just as stupid as saying theres no such thing as good immigration. You seem the sort to pat yourself on the back for saying scientific truisms like "evolution is real" while ignoring every ugly implication of that being true. For instance, if something is instinct, that means its more helpful than harmful to the populations exhibiting it. Not that the existence of instinct justifies every impulse (they can be harmful in different environments), but it does justify taking the time to understand what is happening rather than this embarrassing take.

[@Jrez]

But evolution is real

[@MAnon-zr5ue]

This guy's voice is so soothing, I get to lay down and relax and get sleepy and learn things.

[@davidz2562]

You don't find Shaun's voice to be a monotonous, patronising drone with a bad regional accent?

[@cottontail5109]

@@davidz2562 I don't, I think its very pleasant :)

[@paisleepunk]

@Der Ritter The monotony can also make some of his lines really POP (counterintuitively).

[@szthbnsfprdctn]

genuinely same lol, when asmr doesn't do it for me i come back here

[@szthbnsfprdctn]

@@davidz2562 obviously not cus otherwise they would have said that

[@user-is2zv4sc6y]

"Not so for the french guy. France paid to keep him alive for 20 years, the chumps..." This is why I'm enjoying this channel.

[@ArmaBiologica35]

Immigrants costs millions of dollars of tax payers money *Godzilla roar* The goverment spends trillions of dollars in millitary equipment they never use ...*crickets*

[@z0e898]

but but but... they *need* them helicos :(

[@harshitmadan6449]

both are wrong

[@fulcrum2951]

He was talking about the US government whose budget mainly goes to the military and their suppliers rather than the country

[@clone3_7]

Yes, right and the US never sells that millitary equipment right?

[@ikariim]

They DO use it though, they sell it to saudi arabia so that they can bomb poor people in yemen.

[@soup1649]

it's fun to go through old shaun videos and see that every video he responds to has been removed

[@Drunkenvalley]

I can't help but notice he discredits "academia," "controlled media" and so on, then goes on to... cite statistics and studies? Where exactly does he think those come from? EDIT: Watching on, I hear Shaun didn't miss the same. :D

[@BoltMapper]

Look, I’m Swedish and am guilty of making fun of the Danes sarcastically at times but even I don’t use the rotten joke.

[@roguepsykerhaaker4813]

I'm Norwegian. I agree with this statement, but we mostly make fun of Sweden to be honest. Maybe it's because we got occupied a lot by both of them, eh who cares

[@lastword8783]

this video proves that despite how simple it is to disprove these right win activists, they spew so much shit that it takes forever to go through each one of their wrong points. Case in point here it takes Shaun half an hour to go through the 8 minute video he is responding to. They do this in debates too. They put out tons of wrong info and then when you can't possibly address all of them when it is your turn to respond due to time constraints, they just say 'see he didn't disprove what i said'

[@Cajaquarius]

It is called a Gish Gallup and has been a right wing tool for years.

[@sonofalich1825]

Goobernational, Correct, but it isn't a 'Right wing' tactic, it's the Guerrilla Warfare of debate. I have never heard a Gish Gallup that had actual merit behind it. Unfortunately, it's hard for people to realize they're listening to a Gish Gallup when they don't have an opponent to call them out on it. If there is one thing I want the Internet to teach everyone, it's how to recognize Gish Gallops as they happen.

[@SilortheBlade]

Which is why debates are so useless, yet the idiot masses still scream for them.

[@harshitmadan6449]

Lefties are no better.

[@djrocksgaming6255]

Last Word Ben Shapiro in a nutshell.

[@JelliinaCup]

Im just disgusted that these quacks helped influence my worldview ... that I actually listened to them! Relieved they have been exposed _happy subscriber noises_

[@RyebreadMusicStudios]

Shaun you deserve a hell lot of more subs. It's disgusting how people who spew constant bs can get as far as bps.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Just goes to show that stupidity is MASSIVE. At least in some areas of the world. I'd argue most lol.

[@Elhabad_ibn_youssef]

Was watching the sargon interview with joe Rogan when this hit my notifications , you rescued me from 2 hours of masochistic torture Shaun :)

[@countmetallica]

megasword350 it's exactly what you think it would be, but with a lot of Joe Rogan (eventually) going "okay enough about this Sarkeesian chick"

[@ikendusnietjij2]

Assuming she believes that Sargon is bullying her: I really feel for her. AFAIK this was the first time she mentioned him, plus the first public speaking with audience she'd done since he started covering her. Then he occupies the first 3 rows of her panel with his buddies and they all put camera's to film her and later criticise every word she said. I've seen a bunch of people say that she bullied him there, but if we assume that she feels bullied by him, this is the kind of thing that happens. Often in schools the bullied person snaps and gets detention for it, while the bully never gets spotted.

[@ChristopherTheBanana]

don't worry you didn't miss anything

[@Elhabad_ibn_youssef]

Unkenny Resemblance I actually watched that clip where they talked about Anita and it gave me the impression that joe was a bit critical of him and it prompted me to watch the whole thing , i think one of the all time gems of that interview was when joe said that PJW was " a very reasonable guy " a claim so ludicrous that even SARGON had to (ever so slightly) push back against , and from then on i started to zone out while hearing them stroke each other in the background until finally I decided to get the hell out of there for my own mental health :D

[@mortalpokemon60]

megasword350 Please tell me Joe didn't really say that

[@scotthayes8450]

Thanks for having the patience to break down and convey these ideas. Between uni and work I've found myself bereft of the energy to engage with people preaching cherry-picked statistics to support a conclusion that dictated their readings. It's nice to know someone with a platform cares and is working to aid people in adopting critical reading and, hopefully, positive education strategies.

[@Mcwollybob]

My first thought when Black Pidgeon Speaks started listing off numbers in the currency of "dollars" when talking about Canada was...which dollar?? The American dollar? The Canadian dollar? Because you're able to make things look way different depending on which one you're using. At this very moment, one Canadian dollar is worth just 76 cents in America. It's why when you see prices printed on the backs of books, the Canadian price is much higher. These differences change too depending on the time, so there's not much transparency already, and that's before even looking at his "statistics."

[@ooo-ev4cc]

what is astounding about Blackpigeonshits is that he is an immigrant himself!!!! He migrated to Japan. He should be kicked out of that country as per his own logic and false narrative. EDIT: Someone just told me Blackpigeonshits has another youtube channel called " tvshinjuku" where he shows himself and does video tours as an immigrant in Japan.

[@escapeabight2657]

1ub90 Sdrety " blackpigeonshits" .. lol. love it

[@jamalabdisalam7442]

to make it even more ironic Japan has the one of the most xenophobic cultures on the planet and is practically an ethno state lol

[@theamazingliberal9545]

which is a good thing

[@jamalabdisalam7442]

The Amazing Liberal hey come on no need to be insulting but your right let him get a taste of his own medicine when racists on the street call him a filthy foreigner

[@theamazingliberal9545]

They should call him a filthy foreigner, he's not Japanese, he's white, he shouldn't be there. What is your point again?

[@darrishawks6033]

Re the denmark line: I'm from Kansas and I have been in zero non-Kansas places that I have not heard "you're not in Kansas anymore"

[@themarinaraman9580]

Same.

[@christiegreenwood2642]

I've lived in the USA, in England, and I'm currently living in Germany. I didn't see signs of incoming Mordor anywhere, but maybe that's just me.

[@brendanmccabe8373]

Christie Greenwood are you white though

[@nunyabidnis3815]

@@brendanmccabe8373 Holy shit, that does not even remotely matter.

[@AG-el6vt]

If you can't see Mordor from where you are, maybe you *already are* in Mordor. 😂

[@christiegreenwood2642]

@@AG-el6vt Who knows?

[@DerAnanasKing]

When I learned one thing from video games like Civilisation, Endless Space, Victoria 2 etc, then that immigration is a good thing, becasue it increases your manpower pool, so you have more workforces avaliable to work this city tiles and increase the recource output of your newest colony, or to have enough people to work your canned fish factories.

[@jasoncp3257]

I am a friendly player because I abuse others trade and imigrants to get the alternate wins, however my friend enslaves his entire population, concors the world, and then I nuke him a bunch... thats pretty much how civ 6 is played in this friendship sphere

[@DolinaSmerti]

*_A 31 minute long video calling out and debunking a right winger like Black Pigeon Speaks?_* This is the content that I subbed to this channel for!

[@wasdasdg199]

Is that sarcasm? because the rest of us subbed for killer World of warcraft and Minecraft playthroughs.

[@DolinaSmerti]

Shit

[@Arkangel630]

Let me put it bluntly, if you have to go on anecdotal evidence don't bother, I think most people will ignore you. That's just how things are. Now I will just address one thing since it's a bit of an issue I have with since it's so full of misinformation coming from everywhere, and of course that is the glorious earnings gap, it's really just my little pet peeve. You make a very funny argument, you are trying to imply that things like pregnancy don't affect hourly pay, this is taken into account during the negotiation stage of a contract. I would like it if you could also link your source in the census for that next time because it's a pain to find anything even if you know what to look for. Anyway into the main point, the earnings gap, in the united states at least, exists, but it is caused by unknown factors as of yet, after we take into account the variables, such as educational background for example. We can see this in The Gender Wage Gap: Extent, Trends, and Explanations (2016) on Figure 2 we are presented with a very nice comparison of unadjusted and adjusted statistics, though the paper leaves out children and marital status so these are still not perfect. If that 9% is all sexism, which I personally doubt, it seems pretty insignificant. So the wage gap is very likely to be mostly a mixture of differences in contract negotiation and sexism, you can mix those two if you feel like it. Now this isn't just addressed at you, it's addressed at anyone that didn't know this on either side of the issue, specifically those denying it exists and those blaming it on institutions. By the way glad you didn't try to deny male suicides, really sick of people doing that. Also " There's a very large intersection between MRAs and MGTOWs, fascists, red-pillers, alt-righters, and so many other groups that claim to be enlightened and speak the truth when they're just peddling outrage and lies. " Guilt by association huh? Just because some of these people happen to also be in another group that does not justify such a broad generalization my man. I'm sure you would complain if I put Shaun in the same category as outrage peddlers, anti-intellectuals and general tumblrites that are in the same group he is in.

[@Arkangel630]

I will borrow your method of replying since your reply is quite lengthy. Second paragraph: I was just intending to save you time since you'll be met with "DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA TO BACK THAT UP?" and you'll just have wasted your time. That's from experience. Fourth and fifth paragraph: Just to clear up my point, when negotiating a contract employers take into account the fact women are more likely to take those sick days for pregnancy and other child related stuff, thus tend to offer lower pay since they try to account for it, I see that as simply being pragmatic not an attempt to screw over women. It's like someone who has to take regular sick days for some medical condition like chronic migraines for example, I expect their pay to be slightly lower than a person that is exactly the same as them in every other aspect besides that medical issue. I also expect that if a woman performs better than a man even though she has children she will be paid better than the man. i like to think most MRAs share this belief. Sixth paragraph: Many thanks, far easier to know where you are coming from with a source to check myself. Seventh paragraph: I thought it would be easy to find but that's search engines for you. This seems to be an open download for it: ideas.repec.org/p/ces/ceswps/_5722.html The figure I mentioned is in page 68 of the paper. Now let me rephrase that since I was quite careless, what I meant was that, considering how much the pay gap has shrunk the more we research it, it seems that if there is a sexism based pay gap it will be miniscule and simply down to individual choice, not something we can do much about besides saying that it's shameful. And yes I do understand what sexism is, and I do believe there is a pay gap, just that it's not as big of an issue as people make it out to be. And don't forget the study doesn't account for marital status or children, both of which are clearly really important and would easily take away another 1-2% in my opinion. They do mention their reasons for not including it in the paper if you are interested. Eight paragraph: The problem here is proving that it's sexism and not pragmatism, it's kinda difficult to measure something like that since you have to account for negotiation skills and it's just messy. I am sure it plays some role, but again I think it's very minor in the big picture, even ten thousand sexist employers mean very little in the end hell even 100 thousand are still a very small amount compared to the total number it's very unlikely to have more than a 1% effect at worst, though that's speculating I could be completely wrong. Tenth paragraph: Well glad you were able to get help, not everyone can or wants to. Eleventh paragraph: Well we could speculate about what we think these numbers might be based on our clearly different experiences, but it seems rather pointless. But I do understand what you meant by it, it seemed like you were trying to group them into a big "EVIL PEOPLE" bag which I dislike. Twelfth paragraph: My point was that it would be just as absurd to put him into a big "EVIL PEOPLE" bag as it would be with the previous group. But it's kinda moot now that my first assumption was wrong. Thirteenth paragraph: I could probably point towards other people I would classify under those things like Michael Rowlands for example, though I don't bother keeping up with that stuff since if someone does any of the things I mentioned it will show through what he says and does. You can always find these people in any movement you can think of because it's just part of human nature to be a bit of a shitbag. The comics you presented I don't see as representing the same thing. One is indeed the removal of systemic barriers. The other one is removing half the barrier because it doesn't take into account those that are not well off and are white, leaving yet another group shouldering the weight of those going up. I'd like if we just removed barriers and let things equate as they will without any barriers, trying to change things artificially is like the middle panel in the first comic, addressing the symptoms, not the cause which I believe to be a mistake. See I slightly differ from that statement you made, I think the problem will solve itself if we simply give it some more time and keep things the same way since so far it seems to be working pretty alright, I'm afraid we'll screw it up again by overcompensating in a reactionary manner. That's a good attitude to have!

[@z0e898]

you mean 6 sargons long

[@ChrisofCT]

I really don't understand how someone like BPS has so many subscribers... fringe views aren't so fringe anymore and it scares me..

[@POW3RCRAZY]

nice grouper avatar

[@matthewvaughan5786]

If it makes you feel better it scares me that a channel as stupid as this has 25k

[@flyingsnake3737]

Matthew Vaughan You call this channel stupid ? Thats a reflection of you.

[@shlorbin473]

Hail Victory I'm really scared of the overweight white shirt LARPing incels, sure.

[@shlorbin473]

...I actually cannot tell if you are making fun of them, or you're actually one.

[@castle9165]

"Mass uncontrolled demographic replacement" is a clever dog-whistle. Just using some vague language/ a thesaurus makes him seem less obviously racist.

[@dionemoolman]

Shakespeare: Writes something about Denmark Him 500 years later in his grave: I didn’t mean that!

[@AhsanShere]

FYI to non-Canadians: The National Post is our equivalent to the WSJ. Not to say they're fake news but they do have a fairly obvious political leaning.

[@harshitmadan6449]

You mean left bias?

[@SonofSethoitae]

@@harshitmadan6449 Right bias

[@terminaldeity]

"Demographic replacement" Haven't heard this dog-whistle term, yet.

[@BifronsCandle]

Huwhite Geocide

[@PianoDreams]

It's a true dog-whistle. British-born are now a minority in London.

[@kevinboyd5889]

PianoDreams I don’t mean to be rude, but since when is 63.3% a minority?

[@MachonyLeeoun]

Κέννυ Αντονέσκου Denial is meant to refer to a river in Egypt 😉

[@Kokorisu]

@@PianoDreams Lmao no they're not. Specifically White British are 45% of London's population (since this is what people tend to mean when they talk about "british-born", despite loads of non-whites being British-born). The second largest group after actual white british is the quite general "White: other", with 12% of the population. The third one is "Black or Black British: African" with 7%.

[@restinpeace1916]

Foreign workers and native workers should unite in a struggle for better wages. Wealthy elites are to blame for lowering of wages, not immigrants.

[@williamli55]

Great work. I mean that quite literally. It's clear you put a great deal of effort into studying this issue and compiling research. We need more of this. Far too many of us read the headlines and then assume we're in the know. I'm as guilty of this mode of thinking as anyone else, so I appreciate the work and time you've put into this video.

[@starrychan33]

Shaun: The British kid's health care was paid for by tax payers Me, an American: O:

[@alecmullaney7957]

Only the elderly who theoretically had a lifetime to save up for their end of life care get supported by the taxpayers!

[@FruduBuggins]

A Dane here to confirm; yes we do hear it a lot from international media, yes it is annoying and thank u Shaun 😊

[@Jhawk_2k]

Clicks on link to BPS video: "Video unavailable" I think you've won this one, Shaun

[@stefanlamb1179]

Seriously though, I'm so glad this channel exists. Without a counter-narrative to the blatant lies and falsehoods of the right, I fear what could happen to our way of life. Shawn and Jen is my hero!

[@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge]

Actually there are a lot of far-left youtubers who debunk this kind of shit but unfortunately they gave like 5k subscribers at best.This channel gave me hope.

[@MachonyLeeoun]

Silverknight171 Butthurt by the existence of retorts much? 😂

[@az2man]

@Silverknight171 Can you just not do that please? I'm a simple and lazy man: you tell me Shaun is lying, and you don't bother telling me how is he lying? How cruel! What am I suppose to believe now? (It was my sarcastic attempt to tell you that, normally, accusation is always providing the evidence of guilt, so... Where are they? And don't say "find it yourself". If I'm a big fan of Shaun, why would I even want to find evidence of him lying about something you didn't even bother to mention?)

[@samwwrl98ify]

Silverknight171 SilverKnight TRIGGERED by FACTS and LOGIC

[@pineapple7024]

2:17 “Huge physical burden on Canadian taxpayers” What a funny line. All I can imagine is some random mexican guy breaking into a middle class house and sitting on a guy’s chest

[@no-lifenoah7861]

this is what the liberals want

[@SirLongBongFatRipps]

Are you blind? or just willing fully ignorant? Look at the Canadian Housing market, QuIT sending us brown people that can't work worth a shit. We can't build that quick even if we wanted to

[@cartoonhippie6610]

I think I've read fanfiction that starts like this.

[@FresoVODs]

As a Dane (that is, born and raised in Denmark and also has Danish citizenship and of (mostly) Danish ancestry) person, I’ve used that line several times myself. I do believe something is rotten in Denmark, but it is not unique to Denmark. It is called capitalism. (I’ll go actually watch the rest of the video now.)

[@tzvikrasner6073]

To be fair to BPS, mass immigration to the US did destroy it. Used to be a beautiful, peaceful place. Then the white man came. And I say this as a white man.

[@SameAsAnyOtherStranger]

Even forked tongue speaks truth twice a day. Ugg.

[@father042]

You really thought America was peaceful when it was populated by Indians? LMAO

[@JinStreams]

​@father042 it didn't have 200+ years of ongoing genocide until white people showed up.

[@thanos1532]

​@@father042better than genocide

[@desterfrederich5559]

Shaun, please stay safe and remove your old videos where you show yourself. There are sick people out there that wish you harm. I have been reading the comments on your last video and those nutjobs are posting threats against you. Please stay safe.

[@Jrez]

Can you link or something? I didn't see any talk of doxing.

[@sneakybeaky2877]

Κέννυ Αντονέσκου Unless you can find proof that the individual you’re responding to supports that, he’s not a hypocrite. This might be shocking news to you, but people aren’t monoliths where if they share some similar political ideals, they all support 100% of the exact same ideas like they’re drones.

[@Jrez]

​@@MrRat-ho6jo I wasn't denying it, just asking for a link or two cause I didn't see it myself.

[@marciaosullivan3200]

@@MrRat-ho6jo I say it's more of a left wing thing to do especially after charlottesville rightfully or wrongfully

[@MsOdale7]

@@marciaosullivan3200 right wingers send death threats more often, and they act on them WAY MORE than lefties. Y'all are so delusional it's not even funny

[@seandevine5836]

Is he in Toronto?? We are literally the most multicultural city in the world and it's a great vibrant city with a low crime rate. How does he manage to contain so much cognitive dissonance in his head??

[@yurimikhail6907]

He lives in Japan, as an immigrant.

[@seandevine5836]

@@yurimikhail6907 god that's so much worse. What an asshole

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Wow, really? Like, it has the biggest number of different cultures? I've been in Toronto last year, it was very nice. I'm from Gatineau btw, it's a city near Ottawa.

[@brittneybrisbin744]

I'm five seconds in, but I'm very excited. I used to be a huge fan of BPS until I moved more to the left. I only recently un subscribed from his channel after seeing a video titled "The Cult of Victimhood will Destroy America" or something similar to that. That was sort of my "last straw", if you will. So I'm actually excited and intrigued to hear what you have to say.

[@icyr0bin-794]

hearing stories like this make me happy :)

[@brittneybrisbin744]

@@icyr0bin-794 That I moved more left, you mean? It makes me happy, too😊. Thanks!

[@icyr0bin-794]

@@brittneybrisbin744 yes! i see the right as conmen, so of course a story of someone breaking free of their lies would make me happy 😊😊 plus, i feel as if there is a much more interesting and positive existence in leftist circles, but i am a bit biased, as i am a huge fan of different cultures www

[@brittneybrisbin744]

@@icyr0bin-794 Now that I'm out of it, I completely see your point. Not to say that some "leftist" politicians aren't also conmen, but your point is still valid. Honestly, I've met so many great people in leftist circles, and I think a big part of that is that leftists don't have so much hatred in them.

[@owenbulger3672]

As a Canadian, Black Pigeon is an embarrassment

[@louisvictor3473]

Being full of holes is the most bullet proof thing! Bullets can't hit them, they just pass through.

[@Zonno5]

Basically Blackpigeonspeaks doesn't understand economics. His video on debt slavery is toilet paper, as well as his poor evidence debunking immigrant-related economic stimulus. I suppose he should take microecon and macroecon before publishing those polished turds of videos.

[@ikendusnietjij2]

Like sargon he might actually believe that not having an education makes him more qualified to talk about the issues.

[@heitoroliveira2025]

his vídeo on Japan are fucking horible as well. he dosent know that Japan has the one of the worst retirement programs ever and that japanese people literaly suicide becouse of over work. The retirement age at Japan is 87 and many japanese Surfer with that, BPS thinks Japan is a great traditionalist country where people praise the samurai and other kinds of shit like that. Even tho the samurai are only fetishised mostly by westerners and Japan has one of the bigest porn industries ever BPS is basicly a weeabo wanabe White nationalist.

[@cogitoergosum8328]

Heitor Oliveira did you live in Japan?

[@skoda8349]

I suggest you read proper economic works aside from the books your dipshit professors tell you to buy. There's a reason they're stuck teaching an economics class to sub average IQ Starbucks hipsters who's life will only amount to listening to rave music, fucking, and going on the occasional holiday.

[@Zonno5]

Skoda, which 'proper' economic works would you suggest?

[@Elyndyr]

He literally deleted the video because he got BTFO so hard.

[@brianmolina2615]

Wait really?

[@marciaosullivan3200]

His channel got deleted

[@paulelkin3531]

@@marciaosullivan3200 Its still up?

[@miikored1095]

As a Black man, I appreciate your videos Shaun and Jen thank you keep up the good work, these stormfront neonazis Are getting a rude awakening

[@theuntruescotsman5214]

Miiko Red How is that relevant to you being black?

[@gdf40]

JLLIW because stormfront kekistani twitter shitheads spread racist lies that negatively impact people of colour like him.

[@PatsRule1224]

"these stormfront neonazis Are getting a rude awakening" 4-0 9-0 Bernie under FBI investigation. Lynch, Comey, Hillary, Susan Rice, and even Obama being probed by Congress. Almost all of Obama's "legacy" dead in 6 months. You can't even win elections despite sinking 1/5th of your entire war chest into it. Travel ban affirmed by SCOTUS, Kennedy expected to retire at end of term. The entire Russia narrative is dead in the water, even top Democrats like Chuck Schumer are urging the media and other democrats to stop talking about it. I'd say we're doing pretty swell.

[@perpetualloading]

PatsRule1224 All of Obama's legacy destroyed? You mind clarifying that? Trump can't even get his healthcare law repealed, he's a useless pile of flaming trash... Please explain your shitty point further, I'm having trouble seeing what you're seeing...

[@ShelledHandle]

PatsRule1224 Nice copypasta

[@nemtudom5074]

13:43 Acutally, no. If a thousand immigrants appeared in a country at once, they'd take a thousand jobs, yes, but imagine feeding, housing, transporting a thousand people, the amount of jobs that would create is way more than 1:1

[@mzadro7]

I don’t understand how someone can claim that being educated makes you wrong, it’s insane

[@enfercesttout]

Yay skull daddy is here.

[@Kafuinga]

Skull daddyyyy!!111

[@Jrez]

We need more skull-wearers, the alt-right has a surprising amount of skull-based avatars.

[@alecmullaney7957]

Wait, is Shaun just an aged and wrinkly Kirby?

[@AustinPSmith96]

"This is certainly a less interesting question than the one we pose." I love this line.

[@GouyokuNoGreed]

not sure if you still read fresh comments but in case nobody said so, the statistical clumping you described can also be referred to as "coarse graining" the data sets. unrelated, love your videos m8! currently working my way through the library now

[@ParanoidFactoid]

Black Pigeon's success is due to his motion graphics and quality narration. What he says is utter hogwash. But how he says it and how it's presented visually is highly successful. And well done. Good production values though not honest presentation.

[@saulthechicanootaku]

Paranoid Factoid His stuff is all style, no substance

[@TheAsyouwysh]

Is that Marvin?

[@SilortheBlade]

For people uneducated it can be nice to have easy to follow graphics with few words and not a lot of complicated dialogue. Makes it easier for them to stay focused.

[@benevolentnick1]

funny thing is his audience are generally well educated, well traveled affluent parents.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Most people are dumb and or still haven't learned much in their lives so it makes sense that dumb ass channels would be the more popular channels. Same goes for dumb games like cod. Same goes for dumb movies like 50 shades. Same goes for dumb music like beiber. Often the most popular stuff is shit. Not all of the time. But a lot of the time lol.

[@MrLordFireDragon]

Brilliant video. Destroyed BPS with killer analysis, going to the source, and thorough research, love it.

[@v35tan27]

Hey S&J Will you be covering the RageAfterStorm self-detonates the skeptic community 'drama'? It's fascinating how it's developing. A situation where these skeptics have spent so long chasing SJW boogeymen, yet when a real issue like racism within their own community pops up they can't address it for fear of being called SJW by the audience of racists they've previously turned a blind eye to because .. subs count. It's almost poetic. From my own perspective, it's becoming evident who the smarty-pants skeptics are. Most of these big "skeptics" who swoop on any drama in an attempt to stay relevant, yet seem utterly conspicuous by their absence on this topic that is blowing up.

[@Milkbutter]

This sounds juicy. Any good places to start looking at it?

[@v35tan27]

Rages video has been taken down, but Warski Live #55 is where you can get the context of the original video and check out some of the backlash in the comments. There's also a number of smaller skeptic cookie cutter channels that have taken issue with her vid and been burned by their audience of wingnuts.

[@ChefRyoshu]

R A W D A T A A N A L Y S I S

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

F U CK F R E E L Y

[@z0e898]

S U R V E Y

[@davidfgranger]

Raw! Dat a anal! Y sis?

[@fulcrum2951]

Its fucking raw!

[@miskatonic_alumni]

R A W A N A L C Y S T

[@florencebacus6012]

Nothing brightens my day more than over six sargons of S&J. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@kellybmackenzie]

Amazing video, thank you so much! Also I'm embarrassed to say that humbnail is so cute it's a big part of why I clicked on this LOL, but I don't regret it. I love it!

[@DirakandDog]

just here for thumbnail

[@Elhabad_ibn_youssef]

dirak_ talk about shameless clickbaits :D

[@anonymousanonymous-cl8nr]

dirak_ Jesus you look like Tumblr

[@waymuu]

yeah you look like a WEBSITE! you have LINKS ON YOUR FACE ?????

[@CitizenLenny]

god did you see that girl on tv last night? she was html5 _all over_

[@waymuu]

:O

[@johnmartinez7440]

Just checked his most recent video, in which he seems to be upset that Japanese porn blurs out genitalia/private parts. Bizarre, miserable guy.

[@beckettericsson2554]

oh god i just know he's a lolicon

[@MalcH]

Your videos always make me smile. Thank you for always fighting the good fight.

[@TwenOalley]

13:50 is why I love this channel, regardless of what shaun is saying, he seems to actually try and see the viewpoint of both sides when talking about something. It makes it much easier to trust his conclusions and methods.

[@tatevolk7553]

How can he say that, almost a quarter of Canadas population, especially on the west coast, are immigrants. They are the taxpayers.

[@drewbruggman]

You always produce quality content. Keep it up dude!

[@hutternen]

It's very funny as a stats lad, trying to predict the shortcomings of those studies... I did not expect "typographic arithmetics error".

[@stefanlamb1179]

I was hoping for the sound effects of a gun being fired each time you shot a hole in these 'bulletproof' arguments. Alas, I shall have to settle for another mercifully calm and informative video. Excellent as always.

[@gaelwynmackwyn]

Why are so many of these people Canadian? It's kind of embarrassing.

[@Blakbox92]

SourCapnJack because one of the studies BPS quotes and Shaun debunks is from and about Canada.

[@MRayner59]

Given Canada's extraordinarily high levels of immigration in Canada in recent years (proportionately double that of the U.K. and considerably higher than the U.S.) it's maybe a testament to our generally sensible nature that there aren't more of these racist loons spouting their malevolent nonsense about immigrants. So, don't be too embarrassed over them, even though they are a stain on the country's good reputation in this regard.

[@AbeDillon]

Don't worry. Your buddies below the 49th parallel will always be there to spare you the embarrassment! Did you know we have a president who openly courts neo-nazis?

[@enyafeckenham5730]

Honestly, canada has a long history of discrimination against its first nation peoples

[@CarrotConsumer]

@@enyafeckenham5730 Hey those aren't immigrants so they don't count.

[@ElectricQualia]

One of my favorite channels on the left, meticulous and rigorous research. Bravo sir

[@carterroane1034]

God Shaun this video is great you don't give yourself enough credit

[@tylerbeaumont]

“Immigrants are reducing the native job market!” he says whilst living in a country where the majority of takeaway restaurants and newsagents are owned, and were founded by, migrants and the children of migrants… Migrants in Britain have literally created thousands of entry level jobs for British natives, and are some of the only people willing to hire inexperienced people. If you don’t want teenagers to be unemployed when they leave school, then you have to be pro-migrant, otherwise we’d all have the same three fast food chains and handful of clothing shops on the top of our résumés for the rest of our lives!

[@XaurielZ]

As a Canadian, the second I heard the name "Fraser Institute" I was like "yeah, this is gonna be some ridiculous bullshit"

[@e_N_n]

A good example in the US of things varying at different levels would be my rural town. I live relatively close to the mexican border and we have a large number of immigrants in our town. There's a farmer here who hires migrant workers in the fall, and their work gives the town food. But, during the time of year when there's no harvest, the housing on his property that he lets them live in is empty, and so he repurposes it as a homeless shelter. The reason it's there is as a safety net for his workers, but he of his own volition gives the dorms to the homeless. During summer, those homeless people have to find somewhere else to go, and then the individual people in town blame the immigrants for the homelessness, "because theyre taking up the shelter." But on a large scale, they do more good than harm to the town.

[@Gormathius]

1:00 Can confirm. I let a non white in, and instantly we both just morphed into orcs and the tower of Sauron burst up from the ground and everything green withered and died around us.

[@josephancion2190]

Shaun, you're the BEST DEBUNKER EVER.

[@daisyjohnson4837]

i dont feel like we appreciate how funny it is saying Black Pigeon Speaks was "featured" in this video.

[@Yevjer]

Lol what fucking government services am I using here in Canada. Canadian immigrants are restricted from the services that they pay taxes for. It’s infuriating to be talked down to when I am the one being burdened by living here as an immigrant

[@kaitlyn9262]

-> For A native taxpayer -> In Canada ... Cant make this shit up

[@liamboyd6882]

I love videos that hyperanylise other videos at point out every thing wrong. Thanks for being my soul supplier atm Shaun

[@barthalamewdiaz4733]

A Shaun & Jen video and an Hbomberguy video in one day? I just came.

[@ryanjapan3113]

I noticed something, Migration Watch UK has Ireland as part of the UK on its logo.

[@gustavojohannessautter9484]

imagine my shock

[@xenosuki]

Where does this come from?

[@cam9378]

AtOW it's a phrase used by Info Wars Contributor and Chap Stick Aversion Enthusiast Paul Joseph Watson. it's become a meme now, often used to mock PJW or sometimes Right wingers in general

[@xenosuki]

Thanks!

[@Jade-mm1wl]

Imagine my shark

[@CSGraves]

One month, I saw a $500 decrease in my investments. Bulletproof evidence that all investments yield a negative return!

[@Jrez]

CSGraves is your last name really Graves? That's badass.

[@jasonlewis130]

CSGraves You just don't know how to invest you money if you losing money on your investments, 3 things you will never lose money on is the 3 G's ground guns and gold, a lot of money can be made on guns and gun parts just buy inbetween mass shootings and sell right after a mass shooting

[@benevolentnick1]

lol that reminds me of the rationale of democracy- as there are only two people peeved at a 100 person rape, the rapee and the person who goes last- does that make rape good?

[@benevolentnick1]

and another one, only way to guarantee never getting cancer is to have a blowjob every day- cause no one with cancer got a blowjob every day.

[@benevolentnick1]

lol your weed is good if u think citing CNN is cool

[@thewishingwell930]

“France paid for his child hood, the chumps” lmao

[@rebeccahutchens8806]

It’s...such a minor point, but I hate that Black Pigeon says “consistently and without fail”. I hate it while also disliking it. It’s duplicative in addition to being repetitious. And this KZbinr who makes videos is racist and bigoted.

[@theviewer6889]

Ah yes, the 'department of redundancy department' type of sentence.

[@wunnell]

This demonstrates one of the biggest issues with bloggers: when they talk about studies, they have rarely read them or, in some cases, even seen them. Some other party reads part of the study, paints it in the worst light possible and then KZbinrs and the like simply repeat that dishonesty as gospel. In many cases, as exemplified by BPS here, they often don't even bother to read the secondary source beyond a cursory glance to find soundbites that support their bias, never mind taking a look at the original source. Ain't nobody got time for dat!

[@TheNinjaCrash]

So, I like to rewatch long, ranty, podcast style videos to make my work slightly more bearable. When I rewatch this video,, I laugh harder and harder very time Shaun says "the chumps" LMAO

[@Aabil11]

"France paid to keep him alive for 20 years. The chumps."

[@DJ_CULLEN]

90% of these right-wing debates don't even get on the runway when you just check their sources.

[@doomcrab4271]

I wonder if BPS's response to this will be to photoshop your skull onto a clip of a guy dancing as he did with Kevin Logan and LSR. It's not a very effective counterargument on his part, but it is universally amusing.