Shaykh Yasir Qadhi on why he does not view Tawassul or Istigatha as shirk

[@shukrimahmud6128]

Dr YQ clearly said it is haram & forbidden but won't go as far as to say it's syirk. We do not know the intentions of those practicing it. To say they are musyrik has huge implications. Their meat is not halal, we cannot marry their daughters, can't allow them to enter our mosques & it's totally divisive.

[@uzzy_787]

With this stupid logic we can't takfir anyone

[@tazboy1934]

​​@@uzzy_787it's very dangerous for laymen to do takfir ...it's actually prohibited for laymen to do takfir...only high level scholars can do with severe conditions

[@muslimsakemuslim7956]

@@tazboy1934 Yes but how YQ describes it not even the scholars are allowed because nothing is shirk according to him then.

[@AlMulk21]

@@tazboy1934 Thats a lie. Show me who said that laymen are not allowed to do takfeer. If the evidence is brought to a laymen, he has to do takfeer. By your logic, no revert were allowed to say la ilaha which is kufr bit taghut. The one who commits shirk is a kafir, and istigatha to other then Allah is per Ijma SHIRK and whoever allows it is a kafir and whoever does it is a mushrik.

[@ReturningRuh]

@@AlMulk21 1. Istighāthah, whether directed towards the living or the deceased, still affirms that Allah retains exclusive authority and power, regardless if the intermediary’s assistance is sought. 2. Shirk manifests when individuals attribute divine attributes or intrinsic abilities to anyone other than Allah, whether living or deceased. 3. Istighāthah, by its nature, does not confer divine attributes nor intrinsic ability upon intermediaries. 4. Those who believe in the inherent ability of the living or deceased to grant assistance independently of Allah are, in fact, committing shirk by rejecting Allah's absolute authority and power. 5. Therefore, Istighāthah, when properly understood and practiced, doesn’t contradict Tawhīd because one is still affirming Allah as the ultimate source of all help and assistance, despite if one seeks assistance from the living or the deceased.

[@ShafiAshari]

I gotta share my opinion on this and on my lil understanding, I am nobody and just a learner of knowledge. For me tawassul on RasulAllah is permissible with the evidences from the salaf itself while I view istigathah as makruh not shirk, I mean we have a lot of evidence of istigatha done by the a’imma of the ummah but it becomes makruh to the laymen and it becomes open to shirk, if there is no evidence about istigatha I would plainly declare it shirk but the evidence are there however I still view it inappropriate even though you dont mean to call upon the saliheen to be the sustainer of help thinking that Allah is still the sustainer. it is still makruh and inappropriate, dua is for Allah alone, nothing else you should be calling du’a

[@Wedowhatwedo123]

Why not as bidah? Yeah there are scholars who have allowed it but they are later ones. Give me one scholar from the time of abu hanifa till the time of imam ahmed who allowed it. And general tawassul like by the right of etc is makruh in hanafi madhab Or atleast this is one of the opinion in the madhab and other opinion is its allowed Edit:don't reply on general tawassul part cause I personally don't deem it makruh

[@-Ahmed8592]

Istigatha isn’t dua to anyone but Allah. Just follow the Shafi’i madhab on it you have little understanding

[@AlMulk21]

Its because your a clear Jahil. Asking other then Allah for help is for the Juhal no problem it seems. Tawheed is for you people a term which you never use because you distorted the meaning. Istigathe to other then Allah is by consensus of the salaf shirk, so dont claim salafiyyah ya jahil.

[@2b2c1d2]

@@-Ahmed8592 that makes no sense, just stick to your madhab

[@rowiemomo4684]

istighata is makruh?😂

[@emptyingthecup]

Only people who have flawed aqida find tawassul and istigatha as shirk. When you have unsound core beliefs, as in shirk, then of course tawassal and istigatha will be seen as shirk. Not only that, but your pretensions to tawhid also demonstrate shirk. Once you have sound aqida, and thus, hold a metaphysical cosmological view of reality, then all dimensions of reality become hierarhically arranged properly. Then it all makes sense. If istigatha and tawassal are seen as shirk by you, but not asking for a doctor for help, then you are holding unsound beliefs and you need to correct you're aqida.

[@rowiemomo4684]

None of us say tawassul is shirk. Absolute ignoramus! Istighata is what we say is shirk. Not tawassul. Go cry further to your false supporters. They can’t and won’t ever help you or hear you. Only Allah does.

[@MysticEclipzed]

Some idiot above me who wrote an essay doesn’t know what istigatha is. No way you just compared it to doctors 🤣. The difference is that a doctor is present and can hear you.

[@emptyingthecup]

@@MysticEclipzed Does the doctor hear by his own power or is it God who makes him hear?

[@noufalbinzainudheen5633]

SO GUYS YOU ARE SIMPLY INSULTING IMAM SHAFI & 4 MADHABS

[@AbduUdba-x7o]

May Allah guide you to the straight path

[@hermitally419]

Shaykh Asrar's current position seems to be it is discouraged in this day and age of ignorance.

[@sosacarlos5971]

This is Shaykh Asrar's position: Istighatha through the Best of Creation ﷺ is never shirk in this world or the next world. Tawassul and Istighatha is permissible according to the 4 Madhabs.

[@AlMulk21]

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Let there be curse of Allah upon the Jews and the Christians for they have taken the graves of their apostles as places of worship. Grading - Sahih Sahih Muslim 530b You still think its allowed to call upon dead ? If so your a disbeliever and polytheist. Stop lying. All of the Imams declared calling upon other then Allah Shirk.

[@MichiganTroopers123]

@@AlMulk21lol who are you again? Come back when you’ve studied

[@rafeeqaboobacker9103]

Istigasa of sahabi Khaled ibn Waleed and army of sahabi Radi allahu anhum ajamaeen Hafiz Ibn-e-Kathir (ra) writes, "During the Battle of Yamama, the slogan of the Muslims was "Ya Muhammada" (O Muhammad Help us). He writes, "During the Battle of Yamama, Hazrat Khalid Bin Waleed picked up the flag at the shahadat of Hazrat Hanifa (RA)and leaving the troops behind proceeded towards the mountain of Musailma Kazaab and waited of when he will come and he will slay him. Thereafter, he returned and stood between the the two armies and said in a loud voice: "I am the son of Waleed. I am the son of Amir O Zaid." .....Then he proclaimed the slogan of the Muslims and in those days, "Ya Muhammada" (O Muhammad Help us) was their battle cry.” [Al Badaya Wa Nahaya] -- Hafiz Ibn Kathir, Imam al-Tabari and Ibn Athir wrote that: During the caliphate of Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) there was a battle against the false prophet Musaylima. When the battle commenced, the Muslims lost their footing, at which Khalid bin Walid (may Allah be pleased with him) and the rest of the Companions called out, “Ya Muhammad!” and proceeded to win the battle. [Tarikh al-Tabari, Tarikh Ibn Kathir and Tarikh Qamil by Imam Tabari and Hafiz Ibn Kathir, under chapter Musaylima kadab] --

[@dariusneidhart1068]

Muslims should avoid practices that are controversial like this. It’s like walking on a railway track. It’s very dangerous.

[@n.a3642]

Def but I think it's high time we start educating the masses or at least put out enough resources to show it isn't always shirk and why the Najdi understanding isn't completely correct and dangerous.

[@NicholasMoskov1]

I agree, as a layman, if we aren't sure, we shouldn't indulge. But making takfir on brothers in Islam is a grave sin in itself and must also be avoided. Sayyiduna ‘Umar ibn Al Khattab (radiyallahu ‘anhu) said: “Assume the best about your brother until what comes to you from him overcomes you (and you have to change your opinion).” So as a layman muslim, I cannot assume that the most of the traditional Scholars of Islam and the Ashari majority of the Ummah are Mushirkeen. The evidence from these Ulema make it impossible to definitively declare these actions as shirk, only discuss from an educated point of view. As a layman, we just need to take it easy, do a normative practice with all of our fellow brothers, and ask for guidance from Allah.

[@-Ahmed8592]

In some places wearing Hijab is controversial should Muslims do that as well???

[@shifeq9770]

genius sheikh

[@sabetsrs4180]

According to the ending of Dr Yasir Qadhi, Shirk says Hi guys I am coming 😄😄😄

[@إلهانبنأحمد]

Where is the evidence for seeking help from the dead is permissible?

[@Kalam18595]

Just like someone taking medicine to cure himself. The medicine is just a pill, it’s not alive. It’s shirk to believe the medicine actually cures you without Allāh But you’re allowed to use the medicine as a means Same as calling the prophets and saints in the grave. Just like how Musa helped us by telling the prophet to reduce our number of prayers. We ask them to ask Allāh to forgive us.

[@إلهانبنأحمد]

@@Kalam18595 musa didn’t call upon a dead person though. Is there anything in the quran or sunnah that says we may call upon the dead to help us?

[@Kalam18595]

@@إلهانبنأحمد So if Musa wasn’t dead during the Isra and Miraj, then it should be fair to say that he and the other prophets aren’t dead now. So no one is technically calling on dead people, the prophets and saints are alive in their graves. No difference in calling them now or yesterday

[@إلهانبنأحمد]

@@Kalam18595 this incident took place on isra wal miraj, a separate incident which is a miracle in and of itself, made possible by Allah. I asked if there any evidence in the quran or sunnah for seeking help from the dead? Musa speaking to the prophet on isra wal miraj is a miracle from allah.

[@Kalam18595]

@@إلهانبنأحمد no one speaks to the dead, they’re alive in their graves. Look at verse 4:64, show me where one scholar said that this verse has been abrogated because the prophet “is dead”. In fact look at Ibn Kathirs tafsir, he even shows how someone went to the prophets grave to ask for forgiveness

[@mdkhan3928]

...intention when you do an act of Shirk/Kufr Akbar is irrelevant - except under duress obviously.🤷🏿‍♀️😇

[@rafeeqaboobacker9103]

Istigasa of sahabi abubakar Sideeq Radi allahu anhu , ali Radi allahu anhu and other sahabis Abu Bakr buried next to the Holy Prophet Hadrat Sayyiduna Ali - may Allah be pleased with him - narrates that, “When the time came for Hadrat Sayyiduna Abu Bakr - may Allah be pleased with him - to pass away, he then mentioned to me, ‘O Ali, when I pass away, you must give me Ghusal with the same blessed hands with which you gave Ghusal to the Holy Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him. You must then place fragrance on me and take me to the same room in which the Holy Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him - is buried. You should then seek permission for me to be buried there as well. If you see the door opening, then you should bury me there. Otherwise, you must bury me in the graveyard of the Muslims which is the Jannatul Baqi until Allah Almighty calls people to account.’ (In other words, until the appearance of the Day of Judgement). Hadrat Sayyiduna Ali - may Allah be pleased with him - continues, “I then performed the Ghusal and covered him with the kafan. I was the first person to stand at the door of the beloved Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him - and seek permission. I asked in the following way, ‘O Prophet of Allah! This is Abu Bakr Siddique who seeks permission to be buried.’ Hadrat Sayyiduna Ali - may Allah be pleased with him - then narrates further, ‘I then saw the door open on its own and also heard the words, ‘Allow the Habeeb to be with the Habeeb because the Habeeb is ardently anxious to meet the Habeeb.’ (Taarikh Madina wa Dimishq by Ibn Asaakir. Lisaanul Mizaan by Imam ibn Hajr Asqalani. Al Khasaa’is Al Kubra by Imam Suyutwi. Jaami’ul Ahadith by Imam Suyutwi. Kanzul Ummaal by Imam Ali Mutaqqi. Hadraatul Quddus by Imam Badrudeen Sirhindi etc.) Hadrat Sayyiduna Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari - may Allah be pleased with him - narrates, “We took the blessed body of Hadrat Sayyiduna Abu Bakr - may Allah be pleased with him - and then knocked on the door seeking permission and also (mentioned who was present), and suddenly the door opened on its own. We had no idea who had opened the door when there was no one inside the room. However, the words of the Holy Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him - were clearly heard where he mentioned that we should enter and also bury (the eminent Sahabi).” (Nafhaatul Uns by Imam Jaami) Sayyidah Ayesha - may Allah be pleased with her - narrates, “When Hadrat Sayyiduna Abu Bakr - may Allah be pleased with him - passed away, there were certain companions who mentioned that he should be buried among the Martyrs, (in other words, in the blessed graveyard of Jannatul Baqi). I had also mentioned that he should be buried in the same room as the Holy Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him. In other words, there was confusion in this regard. However, in my dream, I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Allow the friend to join with the friend.’ When I awoke, I realised that everyone present had also heard this voice. Even the people in the Masjid heard these words.’” (Shawaahidun Nubuwah by Imam Jami; Hadraatul Qudus by Imam Badrudeen Sirhindi) It is recorded that when the time came for the passing of Hadrat Sayyiduna Abu Bakr - may Allah be pleased with him - then he called the blessed Ashaab and informed them, “When I pass away and you have completed my Ghusal and other actions, then you must present me in front of the door of that room in which the Holy Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him - is resting. You must then stop and say the words, ‘As Salaamo Alaika Ya Rasoolallah. This is Abu Bakr Siddique who seeks permission to enter.’ If you receive permission and the door which is closed is opened, then you should take me inside and bury me there. If you do not receive permission then you should take me to Jannatul Baqi and bury me there.” The blessed Ashaab did exactly this. When they presented themselves in front of the door, the lock fell to the ground on its own and the door opened on its own and from the blessed room a voice was heard which declared, “Allow the Habeeb to enter with the Habeeb because the Habeeb is ardently anxious to meet the Habeeb.” (Shawaahidun Nubuwah by Imam Jaami) Among the miracles of Hadrat Sayyiduna Abu Bakr - may Allah be pleased with him - is that when his Janazah was carried and placed in front of the door (of the room in which the Holy Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him - lies buried), and it was mentioned, “As Salaamo Alaika Ya Rasoolullah. This is Abu Bakr who seeks permission (to enter and be buried)”. The closed door opened on its own and from the blessed grave of the Holy Prophet - may Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him - a voice was heard declaring, “Allow the Habeeb to join the Habeeb”. (Tafseer Kabeer by Imam Razi; Tafseer Nishapuri by Imam Ahmed bin Mohammed Nishapuri) A Miraculous Grace [karama] for Ameer ul-Mu’mineen, Sayyiduna Abu Bakr As-Siddiq رضي الله عنه | Truthfulness until death It was narrated that when Sayyiduna Abu Bakr As-Siddiq رضي الله عنه was on his deathbed, he told all in attendance, “When I die and you finish preparing my body for the grave, then carry me until you stand before the door of the house in which the grave of the Prophet ﷺ is contained and announce, “Peace be upon you, O Messenger of Allah. This here is Abu Bakr seeking permission (to enter and be buried beside you).” If permission is granted to you whereby the door that was sealed with a lock becomes unlocked (before your eyes), then enter me into the room and bury me (next to him ﷺ). But if you are granted no such permission and the door is not opened for you, then take me out to the Baqi’ [the burial place of Madinah next to the Haram] and bury me there.” When (he finally passed away and they finished preparing his body for the burial, they did as they were told and) they stood before the sealed door to the room in which the Prophet’s ﷺ grave was contained, and they called out as he told them to. Before their very eyes the lock on the door opened up (as if) by itself and fell to the floor. Then a Voice from the grave answered them saying, “Enter and bring the beloved to his beloved, for truly the beloved misses his beloved.” ___ Narrated by Ibn ‘Asakir in his Tarikh, and ar-Razi recorded it in his Tafsir, and as-Safuri in Nuzhatul Majalis and al-Halabi in his Sira an-Nabawiyya.

[@fengsports2063]

There's no proof it is haram. There's no proof it is shirk. Think critically about both things.

[@iMan-610]

It has proof. People of other world cannot cause benefit or harm .and Allah says: (10:106) "Do not call upon any apart from Allah on those who have no power to benefit or hurt you"

[@warababeser1]

"Najdi Dawa"?? why not just call it "Wahabism" Good to see you get your senses back. But I reccomend you hasten to the truth faster.

[@yxmxxn]

Because it’s not black and white with that term. Deobandis who practice mawlid for example, still take from MIAW. Easier just to say najdi due to the fact that the scholars who came after and developed MIAW’s fatawa are all from the najd region too, and in fact, they differ from ahlal makkah, and hejazi scholars.

[@muhammadikrama9286]

If this is not shirk then nothing is.

[@mdkhan3928]

...Tawasul of the dead is bidd'ah according to Salafi scholars like Sh M. Didu because we only know of Allah's names & our good deeds as being advised for Tawasul in the Prophet Alehisalaam's sayings.🧐

[@ImranHussain-mi2iv]

Sh Didu is not a Salafi

[@ImranHussain-mi2iv]

i believe he is not

[@mdkhan3928]

@@ImranHussain-mi2iv He is - he just doesn't spend much time doing TABDEEH - i.e. he is deviant, he is an innovator etc.

[@mdkhan3928]

@@ImranHussain-mi2iv He is but just not the Najdi type.🤷🏿‍♀️😇

[@ImranHussain-mi2iv]

@@mdkhan3928 I respectfully disagree

[@a.g1985]

Asking the dead ain’t shirk anymore according to Dr. Yale! May Allah protects us from the misguided sheiks. “And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided.” Surah Al-Baqarah

[@thewhitemoor]

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[@nsayyed5469]

actually wahabiyah are misguided people on this issue and blaming ummah of shirk cuz they dont understood istigatha as aslaf did they understand istigatha by there new aqaeed of ibn tymiyah and ibn abdul wahab , my allah protect us from fitna of wahabiyah which is dajal of wahabiya

[@maxwellmallery5638]

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[@shifeq9770]

It was invented as shirk in 17th century by khawarij wahabi movement

[@a.g1985]

@@shifeq9770 WoW didn’t know tawheed was invented in the 7th Century! Tnx a lot mr. Genius

[@rafeeqaboobacker9103]

Istigasa is allowed in Islam only Ahle bidats like salafi Ahle hadeeth Deobandi tableeghi jamaat jamaat e islami Wahabi Najdis etc says it is Shirk. For Salafi Wahabi Najdis has no problem in asking help from everyone like their father, mother, brother, relatives, neighbors, friends, king, boss, doctor, police, lawyer, cleaners, minsters etc they have only problem in asking help from beloveds of Allah like anbiya allah and awliya allah. Shirk is a belief that is to believe there is god other than Allah azzawajjal. Tawheed is a belief that is to believe to there is no god other than Allah azzawajjal. Istigasa means to ask help from beloveds of Allah like anbiya allah, awliya allah. Surah Al-Ma'idah - verse 55 إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ ﴿٥٥﴾ Verily, your Wali (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer).55 Hilali & Khan وَمَن يَتَوَلَّ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ فَإِنَّ حِزْبَ اللّهِ هُمُ الْغَالِبُونَ ﴿٥٦﴾ And whoever takes Allah and His Noble Messenger and the Muslims as friends - so undoubtedly only the party of Allah is victorious.56 Hilali & Khan

[@maanso6583]

He changed it because they are brown

[@AbduUdba-x7o]

ضال مضل هداك الله

[@hassanadan7371]

By this logic, nothing is Shirk. We can pray to a tree and say we have a long list of people doing it in the past and present.

[@infoage265]

It is more nuanced than that brother. Praying to a tree or anything other than Allah and that is not disputed by anyone. The issue is what constitutes prayer and what does not. Those who perform istighathah believe their blessings are coming solely from Allah and not from the dead person they call upon. They believe the dead person is just a means like water is a means to quench thirst when it is in fact Allah that quenches the thirst.

[@hassanadan7371]

@@infoage265 a means to what, who and where?

[@infoage265]

@@hassanadan7371 Water is means to quenching thirst although it is infact Allah in reality that quenches thirst. In that sense the righteous status of the dead man is a means to having their dua accepted by Allah because of their love of that individual. The dua is to Allah in reality not the dead person and they believe the love of the dead person will be a cause for Allah accepting the dua. They believe the dead are in fact doing nothing or if they do anything then it is Allah that gave them the ability, therefore it is still only Allah sending the blessing. The calling out to the person by name is just an expression or a greeting but the belief is that Allah is the only one that protects and blesses. This is why some of the ulema of the past declared it as an action that resembles shirk but has not actually reached the level of shirk. They deemed it Haram because of its resemblance to shirk but did not declare those who did it as mushrikeen as long as they believed ability is only with Allah. This was a widely accepted position among scholars for centuries and this is what Yasir Qadhi is talking about.

[@Mehmet_Fateh]

The issue is more nuanced than that. First, nobody prays to the Prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. Second, He, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, is alive in his grave. Third, the angels convey your salam to Him, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam. Forth, our deeds are presented to Him, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam and He seeks forgiveness on our behalf. With all that taken into account, you cannot say that istighatha is shirk, as the claim is that you are asking the Prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, to make du'a on your behalf. Do I make istighatha through the Prophet, sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam? No. But I cannot label those who do as mushrikeen.

[@hassanadan7371]

@@Mehmet_Fateh provide clear evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. Of course non. Just pure emotions.

[@rehanriaz620]

It's SHIRK!!!!!! End OF