"SHE'S THE MAN" is More Homophobic and Sexist Than I Realized...

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I finally sat down to watch She's The Man, starring Amanda Bynes and Channing Tatum. I was unsurprised to find that this 2006 drama comedy for teens based on Shakespeare's Twelfth Night is laced with dated gender roles and is more homophobic and sexist than I realized. Do you see what I see? As always, don't forget to like and subscribe! Become a member of my Patreon for exclusive bonus content and extras delivered every month! bit.ly/nickpatreon
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Thanks

[@criticalsurria6773]

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[@triskut]

bad for your skin. bleh

[@shannonhensley2942]

I was younger watching this. And I knew I was part of the lgbt+ community but I fidnt get all the nuances of what that meant. However these types of movies opened the door to have those conversations. I don't think my mom would have otherwise allowed me to watch something like that if Viola was openly trans or sebastian was actually gay. But looking back this movie was actually really bad in more ways than one.

[@thevideoofdiariesofagregin9517]

@@criticalsurria6773 if you don't sin Jesus died for nothing

[@phoney2627]

"Mom can we have Mulan?" "No honey we have Mulan at home" Mulan at home:

[@lesbiangoddess290]

NOOOO😭

[@ViolentNightshade]

I literally just watched mulan before watching this 😭

[@jjr5453]

live action Mulan is also the Mulan at home tho

[@electraheart-g5e]

@@jjr5453 Nah live action Mulan feels like the bootleg rip-off of original Mulan

[@maxmayfire9958]

STOPPP Mulan is top tier 😂☺️

[@JaneDoe-po4gu]

The kissing booth concept is so bizarre. Watching a woman begrudgingly sadly kissing people is such an uncomfortable visual

[@megans998]

Omg I know... I can’t accept the fact that kissing booths exist in real life. It’s just so not okay. Ur like profiting off of men objectifying and borderline abusing women. And for what? So your football team can pay for a travel bus? So weird

[@JaneDoe-po4gu]

@@megans998 it really seems like so out of place, i almost cant picture it in any time period making sense , it's so weird

[@Maria_745]

I feel like in older media it's just a kiss on a cheek or a consensual peck that lasts 1 second idk when it developed to be so creepy

[@kativ9368]

Its weird but at the same time, theyre consenting to it, they know that its just desperate boys, and theyre getting paid. Its no different than OF models and such. But if its adults with minors etc that is definitely wrong

[@JaneDoe-po4gu]

@@kativ9368 I think it's a little different as in this instance i have only ever seen this phenomena in either tv shows maybe and movies, ive never seen a real life kissing booth. so i think it's weird that screen writers add in these scenes of women kissing men for money and it's displayed as wholesome fun when if one or two things were changed it's pretty much prostitution?- something i dont have a problem with but aesthetically goes against the atmosphere they ppl who want to insert kissing booths into stories are going for. i also feel like it's worse then OF as those ppl never have to come in contact with the ppl they virtually interact with.

[@grayalien48]

"Oh no! Not enough girls are on the team!" Viola: let's make it one less

[@Sam-iy8qm]

💀

[@jewelxiat]

That was my first thought too lmfao

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Pfffft

[@shipperina2213]

You are stealing my thoughts

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

At the beginning, when the boyfriend said "you're getting really good", I thought he was referring to her kissing, so when he went "your better than half the boys on my team" I was like ehm, that's a weird confession to make right now but okay.

[@vellannounce]

that would have been so much more interesting though hahaha

[@queenofcute72]

Lmao, me too-

[@angeldevil2931]

i thought that too- i literally spit my water out like "not the right time, my dude"

[@In_Spite]

Omg same! I was just under the impression the guy was bi. Imagine that was actually the conversation and she is getting mad for him taking back what he said, but he actually never meant it like that. Honestly, it would make the movie better!

[@nariaein]

oh so I wasn't the only one lmao

[@Fawkes-y]

"she's the man" used to be one of my favorite movies and now looking back on it i realize it's because it was one of the few movies out there that came close to satisfying my genderfluid fantasy lmao

[@stevielambert2552]

Seriously same, I still just pretend in my mind that this is just a film about a gender fluid kid impersonating thier brother and getting into a bisexual love rhombus

[@bubblegumlie4918]

Im not sure what I am but- I once saw a meme that was somewhat like this “You are imune to all ilness BUT everytime you sneeze your sex changes”… now pls explain to me how that’s bad??? Wouldn’t everyone like to experience being the opposite sex at least once? >:0

[@catcatgoesflying4949]

i still dont get the difference between girls vs boys ngl

[@ChestersonJack]

I think there’s a lot of things like that when you’re starved for representation, especially when you come from a place where these sorts of things aren’t really discussed. Like, Ouran High School Host Club is wildly transphobic and homophobic, (not to mention I’m not really into anime otherwise) but Haruhi and her dad being able to dress in drag and it not saying anything else about their character or their sexuality meant a lot to me as a kid where the only drag I saw on tv was for gay jokes. Likewise, the song Lola by the Kinks may not use language considered polite by today’s standards, but hearing a beloved song sing about someone who blurs the lines of gender with reverence and awe really helped me feel confident in my identity growing up.

[@catcatgoesflying4949]

​@@ChestersonJack I was raised to believe girls and boys exactly the same. My mum let my brother wear skirts and dresses and let me wear suits, there was no "boys cant do that" and "girls cant do this" it was all just equality. Now I'm about to finnish highschool and I litterally have no idea on what girl vs boy means...I just see them as labels, and pronouns are just words and I don't see any diffference in the slightest apart from how boys and girls are usually raised and the stereotypes but other than that I dont get hte big deal of why people have like gender dysphoria and stuff cuase I believe zero diff in gender. Gender should be treated the exact same, anyone can be masc or fem so who really cares. Ouran highschool host club the main character I just thought was a girl, but everyone says shes enby and I dont get why cause it looked like they only saw her as enby because she didn't act like typically girls .-. And Idek know what a girl means like what does it mean to be one. Like Its all too confusing lol

[@tinyblueunicorn7807]

"You are getting really good. Probably already better than half the guys on my team" - it took me a hot second there to realise he wasn't talking about the kissing . . .

[@jasonbolding3481]

Still not convinced

[@tinyblueunicorn7807]

No wonder he denied it when she quoted him later. Ah the ✨bi panic✨😂

[@janetkizer5956]

Same here.

[@HandlePan]

I have ALWAYS thought this 😭

[@asherlewis5974]

see im still not sure he wasn't

[@capir0te]

when Viola told Olivia she wasn’t her type I was so distraught because I completely forgot that straight people exist for a second and that Olivia wasn’t actually her love interest

[@jasonb5030]

Oh goodness you are a completely annoying person

[@saorise28]

@@jasonb5030 pot and kettle…. pot and kettle.

[@chicasparkle5346]

@@saorise28 your pfp is super pretty!!

[@sassberrysnap]

PLEASE MOOD

[@supremehoe5982]

@@jasonb5030 daddy chill

[@paula92111]

Sad fact about the movie... it actually allegedly sent Amanda into a depression because it was hard for her view herself "ugly" as a boy. She was suffering with mayor body dysmorphia around the time this came out.

[@timvandeursen2687]

As a guy suffering from physical dysmorphia I can relate to that feeling so hard and it's just plain dreadfull to experience

[@chromesthesia]

Aww

[@paula92111]

@@timvandeursen2687 I wish you the best and hope you can recover and get help❤

[@timvandeursen2687]

@@paula92111 I'm currently seeing a therapist to help me overcome it. Thank you :)

[@paula92111]

@@timvandeursen2687 that's great!!

[@Mushruums]

The kissing booth is really creepy cause of all the old men waiting in line to kiss a highschool girl

[@tourmelion9221]

That was very creepy And real problematic

[@jaciewall9108]

Ikr like why 😬😐

[@equusquaggaquagga536]

Kissing booth should be for kissing emergencies.

[@decristal48]

They were at the university though... But yeah that was disgusting xd he was also chewing something unknow 😵

[@kieranstark7213]

The Kissing Booth is also very creepy and sexist JUST FOR BEING WHAT THE TITLE OF THAT TRILOGY SUGGESTS!!!!!! It’s like She’s the Man all over again!

[@Caeljharden]

In the end, Duke basically said “Oh you’ve been a girl the whole time? So that means it’s okay that I developed feelings for you when I thought you were a boy! It also means my day dreams where you’re aggressively slobbing my knob are okay too and we can totally be together now that I’ve learned you’re a girl sans peen!” The fact they got together almost immediately after she revealed herself shows Duke was 100% attracted to Sebastian and had developed romantic feelings for what he thought was a boy. There’s one scene in particular where you can tell Duke is absolutely falling for Sebastian.. it’s the montage when he’s coaching her and he leaves, but not before he turns around to look at Viola practicing and doing the moves he taught her, and he smiles like “yeah… imma fvck that throat” 😂😂😂 That’s my version of events and I’m sticking to it lol

[@imnotreallyjess4318]

strong mulan and shang vibes lol, the bi erasure is absurd

[@aceattorneyruinedmylife]

@@imnotreallyjess4318 yeah 😢

[@TheStepmonkey]

@@imnotreallyjess4318 That’s so accurate

[@TheStepmonkey]

LOL exactly

[@MrMusicKid87]

Channing Tatum is bi in real life so I feel like he would not object to this headcanon 😂

[@Myr642]

This entire time I thought this movie was set in college...

[@heather_doestruecrime]

Me too

[@MissDreamFreak]

same. maybe because they were in dorms and I usually associate dorms with college 😅

[@christalcavanaugh]

@@MissDreamFreak it’s a boarding school?

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@christalcavanaugh Okay? They still associate dorms with college

[@beautyandtheoffbeats]

When I saw trailers of this movie as a child I was like ‘ wow Amanda looks like such a cool person to hang out with in college with or without the disguise.’ This concept of her still being in high school and it being set in a boarding school is so confusing

[@neutralman9124]

Amanda Bynes is SO charismatic in this trash, despite her horrible "man" voice. God I miss her acting.

[@taylorrhouser]

Yeah she carried this whole movie 100%

[@caitlynr7295]

I genuinely think this movie wouldn’t be as loved as it is if she hasn’t been the star, because it’s not a great movie on its own but she’s so fun to watch in it.

[@yespls6260]

Yes. I grew up watching Amanda Bynes in my favorite movies and I miss her humor. Though i know that she went through a lot by being a child star, so i understand completely why she doesn't seem to want to act anymore

[@neutralman9124]

@@yespls6260 Completely agree.

[@ambercotrone]

Finally someone recognizes it. Every teen girl movie she was in were my favorites growing up and I realize it’s because she’s just so charming

[@xa2237]

I think it’s funny how Olivia falls for Viola as Sebastian, it kind of shows how women aren’t necessarily attracted to what men think they are attracted to and reminds me of the more frequently upcoming discussions about the male vs. female gaze

[@dead_yami]

I’ve noticed a phenomenon I call the Female Glaze where women’s eyes seem to glaze over only while looking at me. Anyone know why this might happen??

[@rae17]

@@dead_yami it’s because you make stupid comments like this

[@dead_yami]

@@rae17 geez? Edit: I thought my joke was p harmless, thanks for being so rude! ^ :)

[@glosariodawson7028]

@@dead_yami ...damn, that's sad lol too real

[@EvangelineHawksley]

@@rae17 How original and childish. Yours is not any better dude.

[@bluedripping]

As a trans bisexual guy, I have one thing to say: We are real. Try being constantly told that your love is wrong, or being called by a name and gender you don't recognize for 15 years, and then tell me that I am just confused.

[@marinabuziak6967]

Yeah

[@GustavoFring382]

I'm here for you! I'm a cis pansexual girl, and I support 1000%!! ^^ We're all here for you, and love you!

[@AureliaKai]

Love and support from a Panro-ace girl, everyone deserves the right to be recognized as who they are!

[@numflo8218]

💚

[@buckets1623]

I feel you, I’m a trans guy too and it is so infuriating when someone says I’m just confused

[@christalcavanaugh]

It seems like this would have made a lot more sense with prepubescent “identical” twins. That way their voices, heights, clothing size, etc could be mostly the same so they could swap more easily like in Switching Goals with the Olson twins. Then it could be more about fighting for equality rather than stripping naked in public….

[@angelicaapperson950]

As an identical twin, my twin and I watched this movie when we were in high school and came to basically the same conclusion. We were like, "dude, the Olson twins could have done this better." This movie would have been 100% better if they used very similar looking fraternal twins as well. We were friends with a pair of fraternal twins in middle school that were boy and girl, but they had extremely similar body types and facial structure. We often had discussions together about trying to swap places with our twins for even a day, but once we thought about how different our class schedules and friend relationships were for each twin, we shelved that idea. It seemed too complex for 12-14 year old kids to pull off, fooling teachers and friends isn't as easy as Amanda Bynes makes it seem. 😅😂

[@realnuisance39]

The Shakespearean source material is mostly to blame for this. Women disguising themselves as men and vice versa was very common in his plays. However I think that the original material says more about being queer than this movie does unfortunately.

[@PoptartParasol]

Wouldnt that be fraternal twin? I think identical twins are the same sex*

[@definitelynotalizard]

This gave me the idea for a movie about twins who are the opposite sex and both questioning their gender, so they decide to swap places and it follows their experiences.

[@viveleshistoires4874]

@@PoptartParasol Yeah I guess that’s why they added quotation marks around « identical ».

[@marinasunshine4517]

When I was a child, I thought this movie took place at a college. The plot, setting and characters would have made sense if that was the case. This movie definitely aged like milk.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

and none of them look close to high school age except maybe bynes lol

[@andysmith5806]

I guess you missed the school uniforms, huh?

[@yayalucia7997]

@@andysmith5806 some colleges have uniforms

[@andysmith5806]

@@yayalucia7997 That is stupid.

[@yayalucia7997]

@@andysmith5806 Okay?? It's true tho, so it makes sense that someone would think this takes place in a college. It honestly should've

[@sofcarolq]

"Shakespeare would never write characters that feel sexually about family members" NICK PLEASE

[@jessv827]

I was searching for this comment!! 😂

[@lesbiangoddess290]

My god. I'm from the UK so Shakespeare is like our English and drama teachers' religion so i just gave a strange look to say: WHO'S GONNA TELL HIM?

[@hthumbs4072]

@@lesbiangoddess290 I think he knows and that's the joke lol

[@MikaMoonlight]

@@hthumbs4072 Yeah I think it was intended to be sarcastic

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@lesbiangoddess290 We learn about Shakespeare here in the US too, we don’t have an entire subject about him but he _is_ famous 😅

[@bethanymulo]

idrc if people think you’re ‘reading too much into this’. i love that you bring up valid critics about movies even if they’re made for kids/teens. doesn’t mean we can’t still like them, just means we shouldn’t blindly consume media.

[@ambriaashley3383]

yes to all of this!!!

[@DH-dl3ll]

Totally agree!

[@honestlynotsponsored]

Totally agree!! If anything, I think that it's more important that we look critically at teen and kids movies, because target audience is inherently more impressionable.

[@bethanymulo]

@@honestlynotsponsored yes exactly!

[@fakename658]

Perfectly said!

[@faarixh]

The fact that the OG play was more subversive says a lot about this movie. Also, while I agree that Viola choosing to portray Sebastian as a gay boy would have been more convincing, the in-universe homophobia would result in hate crimes

[@nikkimac314]

OG means original gangster

[@-ari-arts-4300]

@@nikkimac314 That’s what it used to stand for but now it’s been shortened to just original

[@LowCountryMatt]

@@nikkimac314 are you saying that Shakespeare isn't an OG?

[@GeteMachine]

If Viola/Sabastian was gay, it wouldn't work with how the other characters were set up though. It would work better if Duke was. Like if Duke was really in the closer and just trying to put on a mask by trying to emphasize a crush on Olivia (when he could very well just like her looks as a gay guy and not actually be attracted to her) and realize he was into Viola as Sabastian whom he didn't know was a girl. Thus his nervousness with women might have been him not actually being attracted to them. It would I guess then justify his homophobia against Viola when as Sabastian she called him hot, and tried to embrace him longer than most straight guys would. He could have not ben sure about how to react to Viola/Sabastian coming onto him while he thought he was a guy. Duke would realize Viola was a woman and then go back into the closet a bit when can convince himself he wasn't having more chemistry with Viola when he thought she was a guy, while Olivia could have recognized Viola (having the same face) and realize she was attracted to a girl whom she assumed was a guy. Then develop their coming of age, off of that. That would have been more interesting imo.

[@clementine127]

@@GeteMachine thats more in line with the original twelfth night

[@masochistic_art]

Okay but the fact that nick chose to unpack and explain some of his experience with internalised homophobia at 13:50 instead of turning it into a witty one-liner like usual is actually so important? (I adore your witty one-liners like nothing else on this planet, but damn, it's nice to see you get deep every now and again)

[@PoptartParasol]

Literally the opposite of Shane Dawson and that's a good thing... Goes to show you can have self depricating humor without inadvertently making others feel like garbage as a result.

[@Lauren-xw8bo]

It’s interesting that back then it was enough that channings character wasn’t being predatory like his friends, but now it would be like “ew. He lets his friends talk like that and didn’t say anything??”

[@littlebillyandtimmy6856]

I got it!!!

[@christalcavanaugh]

That’s exactly what I thought 😂 “I can’t believe he’s friends with those misogynistic assholes!”

[@DeathnoteBB]

Tbf back then it was also gross… Why would you want your friend to be friends with assholes? I never did, even when this came out.

[@TheNumnutRandomness]

I really like that Nick never really questioned how convincingly she "passed", but focused more on how anyone who knew her brother would definitely know something's up or how it leaned into outdated stereotypes. It's a small thing, but one that I appreciated.

[@marinaschulz3183]

100% agreed, but not gonna lie that wig was supeeeer cheap. Im really shocked a big budget movie couldnt afford something better.

[@TheNumnutRandomness]

​@@marinaschulz3183 Especially since she went to a hairdresser? Girl. Guess they weren't that of good friends 😭

[@joyfulgirl40018]

"Ligibitiquoi" is how I will be pronouncing LGBTQ from now on, thank you

[@tinyblueunicorn7807]

Lol not me remembering how I used to pronounce LGBT as "Legbat" when I was younger 😂

[@joyfulgirl40018]

@@tinyblueunicorn7807 When I was in college, before the acronym was totally fixed in its current order, I was really fond of GBLT because it made me think of a gay BLT sandwich 😂

[@marytc2714]

@@tinyblueunicorn7807 🤣🤣😂

[@tinyblueunicorn7807]

Is it bad that when some people were trying to add an "S" for Straight to LGBT my first major issue was that it would sound like the Slugbutt community lmao 😂

[@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494]

Yes - this witty man has definitely enhanced my vocabulary now, will be doing same. Make this an official word, OED!

[@jillpigott7959]

I actually love the play "Twelfth Night" by Shakespeare. However, in that story Viola believes her twin brother Sebastian is dead, and becomes him out of grief paired with financial necessity. The rest of the play is an examination of love and its many perceived obstacles including age difference, social status, wealth, physical vs. emotional vs. intellectual compatibility, and gender.

[@katesclabassi3857]

Right!! It's such a great play and this movie is just sad...

[@iinraged2258]

“I was just telling Duke how great it is to find a REAL man at this school *looks at Sebastian “ Dude as a trans masc that literally made me so sad and mad at the same time *Edit:* y’all I’m not saying Sebastian is trans or trying to imply that they’re trans, I know they aren’t. The phrase itself just reminds me of transphobic phrases made towards trans men and just hit different yk

[@tourmelion9221]

Not necessarily the transness Just the trans disrespect Trans peeps deserve all the respect I couldn't edit the original comment

[@transmasc6134]

Bro same.

[@eelio8469]

Same-

[@eelio8469]

Honestly at that point in the film I thought that Viola would come out as trans in the end

[@transmasc6134]

@@eelio8469 that would be so cool!

[@morganwahlin5822]

also i’m non binary and this movie is literally what helped me realize how ridiculous gender roles and norms are. it pushes the two binaries in a very unaware of itself way to the point where it almost feels like parody. this movie helped me see how insanely stuck people were on keeping society binary and how it made people genuinely unhappy

[@MellowJelly]

I feel that so hard

[@drcrusher5785]

Came to the comments looking for this sentiment.

[@plastictree7635]

Same

[@SaltNBattery]

I'm just reminded of all those "Professional Women's Soccer Team Beaten by teams of Pre-Teen Boys"... Over and Over. The Women's US National team was destroyed by a team of under 14 year old boys. The Professional women's Manchester Football team, also wrecked by a team of boys under 15... I mean, you can only delude yourself with the "social construct" Dogma for so long.. Then you have average M2F UFC fighters absolutely brutalizing professional female fighters..

[@jennym7786]

@@SaltNBattery except they weren't "destroyed", it was literally a practice scrimmage where they weren't playing 100% on purpose. also funny you use this one headline as a means to degrade all female athletes, yet people like you never bring up the battle of the sexes match. i wonder why that is?

[@noodlebanana7512]

Would've been cooler if Olivia and Viola fell in love and they both realized they're bi ✨

[@violettbellerose1173]

And maybe... Duke can realize it too 😳 and they become bi besties

[@kailajensen1021]

Right

[@decristal48]

That would have been cool but idk Duke and Viola playing together at the end was also so cute 😊

[@loltadynicneni913]

Viola was never even interested though... At one point she even basically hated Olivia for messing up her attempts to get a date with Duke. Ever since the first meeting, she was sending Olivia signs that she wasn't interested and Olivia didn't even fall for Viola - she liked *Sebastian* because he wasn't macho, was more open and honest than the rest of the guys at the school and wasn't afraid to show vulnerability. She just wanted a healthy relationship with a man, it's sending more messages about toxic masculinity than wlw romance.

[@CharlotteSWeb-oh7ou]

@@loltadynicneni913 What are you responding to here? They're proposing that the movie should be different.

[@arca2001]

The way Nick always flubs character names at least once in a video is becoming as iconic as the can in a mug

[@NickDiRamioTV]

Lolll

[@haileedaisyy2865]

😅😂 i love this

[@amieliacooper7780]

He takes a second to cut away to mention the nose concealer but says nothing about the name flub 😂 iconic

[@ariannafair6524]

@@amieliacooper7780 yes lol also i'm blind as a bat i cannot even see the concealer

[@Dani-xl3bm]

@@fruitygarlic3601 Aaron, oh Aaron! What are we gonna do with him?!

[@LordofFullmetal]

You know, I didn't realise as a kid how ridiculously harmful this movie is. With that said, I do like one aspect of it: the part where Olivia falls for Viola posing as Sebastian. Because we're seeing all these men acting the way they think men should act - and who does the hot girl fall for? The one guy who's regularly slipping into more feminine behavioural patterns. All this posturing the men are doing, and the message of the film is "girls don't always LIKE this". I do like that part of it.

[@rowanjoy419]

I watch this movie at old age, maybe that is why I liked it, I didn't see it as harmful- it felt like just a fun time, because I already know all those stereotypes, so may for someone younger could be harmful.

[@sw8228]

"I'm limp wrist gay" is my fave line you've said so far

[@kodidelaney9608]

They should have just made this a lesbian coming of age film and had Viola and Olivia end up together. Yet another movie that would have been a great gay film but is instead a bad straight film.

[@Licoryce14]

I agree with you, I felt that Olivia and Viola had the best relationship and more chemistry than any of the other characters regardless of whether Viola was a "boy" or a "girl" at the time.

[@kristakontio316]

I thought about this from the moment they met lmao

[@mockingjay478]

Or even have the main character actually be a trans man and make Duke and Sebastian a brilliant gay love story. Y'know the last time I saw a trans man find love in a movie? Yeah, never. I really want to see it. I'd like to see a movie that sends the message that I'm not unlovable.

[@SammyLammy1D]

@@mockingjay478 omg yes, I would love to see trans representation. The only one I can think about is forgot their name, but an enbu character in Degrassi next class, but SPOILER their live story ends badly. Which I think was a major reason I had a hard time with my own gender identity. Sorry for my rant. But yes, more good, happy trans representation. Both Binary and non-binary trans people please!

[@lemonace6695]

@@mockingjay478 it could even be a trans straigth love story with Olívia and Sebastian

[@marriedtothemusic23]

You’re right about everything that is wrong with it but I still just think Amanda Bynes’ comedic acting is spot on. It’s completely bonkers but she is the reason this movie is funny at all.

[@chasejones7008]

Honestly her thinking sounding like a man is sounding Southern just will never not be funny

[@__-fk4jz]

@Domi B yeah, coming from a heteronormative household, I didn't even notice the gay jokes & how they could be harmful

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

If it makes you feel any better Nick, I'm a straight dude who likes sports and cars and I still do a deeper voice when I'm in a super masculine environment. Makes me wonder if none of us actually have deep voices but we're all just trying to be cool and super strong

[@s_h_o_o_b_y]

i love this comment

[@JennyJeong425]

I have the opposite problem. I have such a low voice, people call me "Sir" over the phone. 😆😳

[@keisha_james]

The fact that Amanda Bynes later described basically feeling distressed and gender dysphoria due to cross dressing for much of the duration of the production. I just...I wish more cis people would read into that to have a light bulb moment like "ohhhh so THAT'S what trans people go thru?" and develop some empathy gah

[@the_homun_system]

i do remember seeing an "ally" a few months ago try to go in on arguing about how "this isnt about trans people shut up" when many were saying thats why hollywood practice of casting someone cis to play a trans persons assigned gender and then play them after transition could also cause harm to cis actors. obvi thats not what bynes was doing exactly but she was forced into a gender presentation different from herself like such situations and obviously its just not good for anyone (though that same white lady did cry about black people telling her not to come and vent her life to random black people while having blm in her bio so thats just the kinda allyship that does it for brownie points i guess... real ones might be able to learn things)

[@tuopsy]

seriously. they always go, “oh i used to wear my moms heels when i was younger but i’m not a girl.” but then when a trans person says, “i used to be forced to wear dresses when i was younger but i’m not a girl” suddenly it’s unbelievable?? like if cis people feel uncomfortable with having to play a different gender, why is it so unbelievable for trans people to feel the same?

[@aslskdjdkdjdksksj5298]

Are we gonna talk about the fact that someone on the soccer team WHISTLED when real Sebastian pulled down his pants-

[@In_Spite]

It would be so funny if it'd be viola's ex

[@lisahannah3175]

I think it was supposed to indicate he was well endowed, like wow

[@decristal48]

Cause' he had a lot to be admire though xD Even the girl with glasses said it (I don't remember her name :'u) "Best sport of the world 😍" 😂😂😂

[@THEinstapotth0t]

"I need to be handled like a porcelain tea cup full of cotton candy" Okay SAME tho.

[@kaodi6993]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@april5897]

It really bugged me how many of these early 2000s movies had the opportunity to really question traditional gender stereotypes but somehow ended up just... doubling down on them. It seems like a lot of them really went for the 'Women can be masculine and like sports and fight and stuff- that's cool! And liberating! But femininity is bad. No one can be feminine. Only bad people,' take. Which is just a disappointment.

[@transfemme5749]

American culture is really toxic and always has been. Other cultures, like Korean, have better always had better representation and presentation of gender fluidity and femininity

[@Me-io3wg]

@@transfemme5749 Definitely not. Korean expectations on women are insane, it's one of the reasons why radical feminism (not to be conflated with American TERFism, different movement different continent) has had such a rise in recent years - there's literal cameras in women's bathrooms uploading them to porn sites. Kpop can often paint an unrealistic picture that Korea is a wonderful happy dream land of gender expression and fluidity, but that is not the case

[@lexvt3551]

@@transfemme5749 yeah, no

[@ikeepscreamingbutgodwontan3132]

@@Me-io3wg they have cameras in women's bathrooms???

[@CharlotteSWeb-oh7ou]

Not quite. These movies went "Women can be feminine tomboys, but not too feminine!" These movies are overflowing with feminine women, they just happen to be performing a conventional femininity rather than an extreme one. The only affirming portrayals of masculine women in recent decades I can think of is stuff like HBO's Gentleman Jack, and even that is relative to the norms of the time period. To this day, masculine women are almost never depicted in roles of any significance. They certainly had no great appearance in this wave of 2000s bad taste.

[@WallebyDamned]

Tampons for nose bleeds was a legit thing, my biology teacher was also the wrestling coach and he always had a stash for that purpose.

[@eatmypanart]

It makes sense! But at the same time I gotta say I would feel a little uncomfortable with a tampon on my nose, those things can expand big!

[@tourmelion9221]

@@eatmypanart they were originally used for bullet holes in war

[@crowdemon_archives]

Lol yea, if you need something to soak up liquids from a hole (created or natural), tampon is quite well-suited for that purpose lol

[@kevinclavijo6954]

Can we also speak about how the Headmaster/Dean literally OUTS Sebastian in public in a huge stadium

[@oggyboggy8692]

True. I forgot how in real life Sebastian would have just been a trans guy to everyone else in this movie.

[@therealMrA]

That was one of the most illogical scenes in the movie and it was the effing climax

[@jello8178]

Not so fun fact: Playing the role of Sebastian gave Amanda a lot of gender dysphoria.

[@25VolarSleet]

Wait, What happened?

[@jello8178]

@@25VolarSleet Amanda Bynes, the person who played Viola admitted to experiencing gender dysphoria when acting as “fake Sebastian”. It doesn’t help the fact that she’s always wanted to play as more feminine characters like another actress she looks up to (I forgot her name) and hated the fact that she was always cast as “the girl next door” type.

[@25VolarSleet]

@@jello8178 thank you

[@jello8178]

@@25VolarSleet no problem :)

[@nahuel3433]

I'm not sure I'd call this fact "fun"

[@alyssak6588]

Viola: low voice Nick: heres my experience with internalized homophobia

[@alirae3663]

I honestly think that I thought it was funny growing up-bc that homophobia was sooo real. The coach using “bunch of girls” but then “don’t discriminate against gender” was so common in my community. “We accept gay people but are still using derogatory slang”. It was almost calling out just how dumb society was during those years.

[@DeathnoteBB]

It’s like “Oh we won’t let you on the team but we will pay lip service to gender equality”

[@a-go-go19]

I watched She's the Man constantly as a kid especially with the commentary on so here's some fun facts: the beach soccer game at the beginning was filmed in Vancouver while it was raining/freezing cold so the sky has been color corrected in all the shots. There is a sign in the background when Viola first gets to Illyria that says "Or What You Will" which is the aka title for Twelfth Night. The restaurant that they go to multiple times is called Cesario's which is the name that Viola takes on for her male persona in the original play. Oh! and in the scene where Channing Tatum towel whips the nerdy guy (Malcolm) he actually hit him in the eye

[@oliviabotelho5936]

I’m from Vancouver and Violas old school is actually my old high school so it’s always a bit uncanny to watch

[@gypsywoman9140]

Dang! I didn't know any of that, yet thought that opening scene looked like it was really cold.

[@loofahsswanson559]

I thought I was the only one who watched that lol. I loved that commentary with the cast. Hilarious

[@penelopep.maggie5976]

Also, the song playing in the restaurant on their double date is Sebastians song!

[@TaylorPie94]

I watched the movie with the commentary on so much that I still to this day quote some moments! I actually enjoyed it a tad more than the film. Amanda getting booped by his forehead. Channing whipping that guy in the eye with a towel for real. "That had to hurtin Amanda" (don't know how I remember THAT). Them yelling, VINNIE JOOOOONES.

[@stevielambert2552]

I was so obsessed with this movie as a teenager but it was literally just coz I had no actual gay or trans rep. so I just pretended this film was about a genderqueer kid struggling to fit into ridiculous gender roles, and everyone being gay for them

[@eliaslittle7362]

I know this video came out almost a month ago, but it was just really nice to hear you say "Being LGBTQ+ doesn't make us less than anybody else." I'm a gay trans guy, and sometimes I really try to hide those facts because I feel scared. But I really should be loud and proud like I want to be.

[@Me-io3wg]

Don't let anyone get you down. You deserve everything the world has to offer.

[@jennifermoriarty2188]

I don't care if bisexual and focus on me

[@forgottenartform]

It takes time and can be more difficult depending on the environment you grew up in and experiences but when you get to the point of being comfortable in being you then nobody can stop you :) as a gay non binary person talking from experience, sometimes the most powerful thing we can do is be unapologetically present and visible

[@decristal48]

When you're proud of who you are, no one can't stop you 😎🙌

[@nathanr5737]

Same my guy, stay strong

[@r666sie]

"umbilical cords freak me out it's 2021 babies should come wireless" LMAOOO BCICJH

[@eothamec2427]

As weird as the name sounds the artificial womb is being researched lol

[@heighbeut99]

Viola's interpretation of masculinity is a sliding scale between blaccent and piss-poor Southern

[@ambriaashley3383]

soooo true 😭😭😭

[@CherryBlossomBlyue]

That voice was weird.

[@yesimsureienteredmynamecorrect]

@@katc2040 "Y'all"? Lmao. Bye

[@psychoPilgrim36]

@@katc2040 its not just a lower voice, she obviously was using an accent and it wasnt just southern. I havent seen the movie myself but just from the clips i saw in this, i can see how it sounds like a blaccent. I mean using blaccents in comedy was common back then and sometimes even now so i dont know why its so hard for you to believe, its not like we’re trying to cancel her over it. Its just worth pointing out mistakes from the past to make sure they dont happen again

[@ssharkbait]

@@katc2040 it’s not being sensitive, it’s just making a criticism. No one is boo hooing here except for you. And yeah she is lowering her voice and sounding different from herself, which in turn comes out sounding like a blaccent.

[@xo__trash]

I remember watching this movie in English class after we read twelfth night. I said something about the transphobic ideas that were present and I was shut down by my cisgender peers and teacher. I remember it really hurt my feelings to be dismissed so easily so I’m glad that this conversation is still around and more people are saying that there’s some really weird and outdated stuff in this movie.

[@ecogirl2759]

Omg, I did the same thing in my English class around the end of the year. My only problem was that I ended up having medical issues and missed the entire second half of the movie. But I think it was really brave of you to speak your mind like that. Some people just aren't ready to accept people for who they are and what opinions they hold, like your classmates. And I agree, we definitely need more discussions on the not-okay ideas many of these movies perpetuate.

[@MyDuckSaysFucc]

Reminds me of the time my art teacher shared a documentary on how Native Americans were making ceramics with traditional techniques. Part of it included licking the paint brush to sharpen it or something... the whole class started making fun of them and even the teacher chimed in how weird it was. It was disappointing for me. They weren’t doing anything weird or gross, it was just a normal thing for people trying to paint in a desert.

[@theultimitelifeform8548]

“Mom can we get ouran high school host club” “No honey we have ohshc at home” Ohshc at home:

[@wickedskyes]

NOOOOOOO NOT THE OURAN -weeps-

[@redally8095]

That’s what I thought

[@lennontism]

AHSKAHDKHEKDJD

[@ajslaughter1369]

SHE EVEN LOOKS LIKE THE MC

[@ZimLikesPastaAnimation]

NOT THE HARUHI SLANDERRR

[@corazones_rotos84]

fun fact, She's the Man is actually a remake of an 80s movie where the girl changes school and pretends to be a boy to prove her journalism teacher is wrong about her not having what it takes to be a journalist.

[@roniyarose9470]

I've seen both and personally I think the older one was worse. Her brother was a total creep.

[@Natureguy-le8pl]

I thought it was based on that Shakespeare play, similar plot, EXACTLY the same names….

[@roniyarose9470]

​@@Natureguy-le8pl It is. It's based on Twelfth Night, but I think She's the Man took some inspiration from the older movie as well because some parts are pretty similar.

[@equusquaggaquagga536]

It's called "Just One of the Guys"

[@decristal48]

Omg really? :00 I got to see that movie!

[@daylilyanimation8939]

When he said "probably already better than half the guys on my team," I thought he was talking about kissing and I was like. Wow, not gonna comment on that Nick? And then I realized he was probably talking about soccer.

[@trashtrash2169]

"Probably" But, same.

[@morganwahlin5822]

lmfao David Cross literally points at Viola’s crotch and says “we take special interest in our TRANSfer students”

[@magical-soap5359]

Hahaha! :'D

[@bert1029]

Lmao my ears pricked up when I heard him say “trans...fer”

[@abidizzne892]

TRANS-FUR students

[@EarthboundX]

I don't know, 2006, that was still a few years before transgender was a more well known topic. Cross doesn't emphasize that part of the word transfer at all.

[@bert1029]

@@EarthboundX I don’t think it was a deliberate script choice, I was just already thinking on the topic of gender so my mind went there when I heard it

[@JaneDoe-po4gu]

When trans baby Sebastian was telling off Monique at the restaurant it sounded like Amanda bynes was channeling like a shrek impression but like from the pov of someone who has never seen the movie

[@lightish3754]

how is this so accurate what the fuck

[@areebah2528]

@@lightish3754 fr lmaoo

[@kynedyr]

I legit burst out laughing after reading this

[@JaneDoe-po4gu]

@@kynedyr lmao love that

[@tourmelion9221]

Kekekekeke

[@justrenthx]

"Shakespeare would never write characters who feel sexually about a family member" ... *blinks slowly*

[@grmgt]

When I was a kid I really liked this movie mainly becouse I was a girl that played soccer and boys discredited, so my 9 year old self thought that it was amazing "girl power" display. Then, when I rewatched as a 15 year old out of the closet bisexual and actually understood feminism I was like "thats literally disgusting and Viola playing on the boys team doesn't make up for the rest of this horrible movie".

[@ohnoitsme485]

HOLD ON, ARE YOU MY TWIN!? LITERALLY SAME!

[@ikeepscreamingbutgodwontan3132]

Also, the one thing that really disappointed me is Viola just wasn't good at soccer compared to a man when she joined the team. And it's not like she didn't have any experience, she used to play soccer in the girl's team. That just showed girls can't play soccer just as good as men and she only got better when duke, a man helped her through it... Literally doesn't make sense because the whole point of this movie was to prove that women could play soccer just as good as a man but then again, Viola is not good enough when she joins the men's soccer team...

[@grmgt]

@@ohnoitsme485 Hello, fellow lost family member lol. But honestly so glad we matured and snapped out of the "girl boss" phase hahaha.

[@grmgt]

@@ikeepscreamingbutgodwontan3132 Ok, i understand what you are trying to say but i disagree because i think you might have misunderstood the premisse/intention. I'll try to explain succinctly. For example, i was waaay better in soccer than most boys in my class but, nonetheless, i had to keep proving my skills to everyone and the coach to play when an average or even actually bad male player could keep making the class team simply because he was a boy and "boys play soccer and are better at it". The point is: *people shouldn't be discriminated on the basis of gender* (or any other form, but we are talking about this one specifically). Not saying the movie did a particularly good job at showcasing that, but it was the intention. In conclusion, using some of the movie's plot points: 1- if we follow your logic, Viola's ex-boyfriend (the goalkeeper) should have been kicked out of the team a long time ago because he wasn't nearly as skilled as the others BUT he wasn't, he stayed not based on skills but because of the "boys club mentality"; 2- the whole plot of the movie was kickstarted because the women's soccer team was being cut for an unjustified reason so if the girls didn't receive a lesser treatment based on gender the whole thing wouldn't even have happened in the first place; 3- see how laser focusing if Viola's skill level was better than boy X or not isn't the issue to be looked at nor a way to extract the premisse that "boys are better than girls at X" but the systemic gender issues at hand that initiated the problem? Because i am sure there will be some girls better than some boys in each of the teams and vice versa so *it should have been a matter of skill and not gender all along* ; 4- and by this very reason girls should not be stereotypically judged as less skilled than boys in any activity because the measurement is not supposed to be on one's gender but on competence!

[@ikeepscreamingbutgodwontan3132]

@@grmgt I mean, when Viola joined the boy's soccer team, she was just showed as a really bad player... It was really hard for her to catch up with others indicating she isn't good enough compared to the other boys... not really saying she needs to be better than anyone but she was showed as nothing compared to boys

[@HayleighPaige]

There’s a part in the carnival where she changes for literally NO REASON and that’s always bothered me haha

[@winniewinnie5833]

Omg same

[@zubetp]

duke: * literally, physically runs away when viola starts to opine about heartbreak * duke, like three scenes later: why do you talk about girls in such graphic terms :/ women are our equals and deserve your respect, sebastian. i'm disappointed in your chauvinistic attitude anyway i know you went into this already, but i can't emphasize enough how olivia knowing gay people exist would remove her entire conflict with "sebastian" lmfao. olivia sadly asks why sebastian would say she's not his type and i'm like, "well sweetheart, sometimes boys don't want to kiss girls. here is a pamphlet about it, and if you're still confused the counselor's walk-in hours are one to three" and also, how disturbing was that "omg why do you have tampons" scene! the male characters all react with jeering, ostracizing, and sometimes violence when viola demonstrates any behavior that could be perceived as feminine. remove amanda bynes' silly faces and the goofy music and it's actually really scary. also also, my college dorm had curtains in the shower stalls. regardless of sexual orientation or gender, sometimes people don't want to look at randos' dicks

[@lone6718]

One aspect of PMS my Grandma taught me, roughly a year after my menstruation started at the end of grade 4 (so 10 yrs old). I tended to just put my feminine hygiene items under the sink in the bathroom, where ever I could room. And just through used items away (wrapped in the pad wrapper - edited) without much thought to disguising what they were. One day Grandma pulled me aside and said, “ we need to find a way for you to store and through out your Kotex (aka pads) discretely. While men know that women have a period every month, they are uncomfortable with seeing the proof of said period all over.” And so the baskets or shoe boxes became my storage, and disposal meant burying my used items down in the trash more, even taking out the garbage so my grandpa didn’t have to. Grandma also taught me how to clean any blood spots on clothing as well. And just for context, my Grandma had been born in 1922, menstruation and sex where not topics of discussion when she was young, nor with her kids. My mom had learned from her peers at school. So to avoid that with me my mother had bought a copy of “Our Bodies, Ourselves” so talk to me about periods, sex, and sexuality.

[@therealMrA]

The tampons thing was an overreaction for sure. It does raise an eyebrow when a dude has tampons on his person for obvious reasons, but in that case I'd assume he's storing them for a woman hes close to. It's not like I can die via tampon so I have no reason to be nosy

[@beefortebrea9386]

@@lone6718 no, used tampons and bloody pads are gross. My roommate left them out all over the house. Remember: it's not just natural. It's also your bodily fluids. And I don't wanna see it or possibly touch it. You shouldn't force other people to either. No one wants to see blood or bodily fluids of any kind just lying around. If they're unopened pads and tampons that's different. But be considerate.

[@skylark4900]

@@beefortebrea9386 honestly this like imagine if the rolls were reversed and it was some dude lamenting about how he got nagged about cleaning up cumstains and he was like "it's a natural part of my body.. cannot believe i am being shamed for this" like no it's just gross why would you want anyone else to have to interact with your bodily fluids in any way

[@Spaced92]

@@therealMrA My friend brought tampons in his bag to camp and the people in the cabin made fun of him (it was his mums bag), but it was a 1 minute thing and we didn't bother mentioning it to anyone else. And we were like 12 at a school where bullying was kinda normalised (bad private school).

[@lindseyp2136]

"All babies should come wireless" omg NICK 😂😂😂😂

[@QueenCloveroftheice]

I love the talk you had about internalized homophobia. It’s so important to catch those habits within ourselves.

[@spongiformencephalitis]

i was an 8 yr old girl when this movie came out and i remember crying like a baby watching it at a sleep over with my friends. now im a trans man. go figure

[@honestlynotsponsored]

So, this movie has a lot of nostalgia for me. And watching this breakdown, I 100% agree with everything that you're saying about gay representation, and the toxicity that this movie perpetuates. But I think I also just pinpointed why this movie left such an impression me as a kid. I'm a queer woman, and I think that the relationship between Viola-as-Sebastian and Olivia meant a lot to me, because Olivia, albeit unbeknownst to her, has feelings for another girl. I think that even as a young person who had not come into their own attraction, there was still a part of me who recognized this dynamic as being very important to who I was. As an adult, I realize how messed up this is. Because Viola is a cisgender woman who seems to be primarily or exclusively attracted to men, and Olivia's attraction to her is based on completely false pretenses. Additionally, at the end of the movie, there's a lot of compulsive heteronormativity as Olivia falls for the real Sebastian. It's really terrible representation. But as a preteen with no real conception of what healthy relationships look like, it was meaningful. But I wonder how many other people who have fond memories of this movie are also on the LGBTQ spectrum, with attraction to women?

[@drcrusher5785]

it seems like a lot of us feel similarly based on the other replies.

[@kyleiq1912]

yesss all of this

[@reilly4678]

I am bisexual and I didn't even consider the parts with Olivia, just knew I liked Amanda Bynes and her going against gender roles. But I think I did like their scenes together a little too much lmao

[@witcherschoolofthefox5941]

✋

[@lillion9134]

I'm non-binary and Sapphic, this movie was one of my favourites growing up because of the playing with gender roles as well as the way Olivia looks at Viola, ngl I still head cannon that Olivia is bi. (actually the Shakespeare play is also one of my favourites too) Even bad rep is rep, right? That's why good rep is so important - lgbt+ teens will look to anything to inform us since we don't have a way to learn who we are and why we don't fit into the norm.

[@lindseyp2136]

Wow.... you talking about your speaking voice is really eye opening. My fiance (of 10yrs) is bisexual and has always been self conscious and hates his voice because he feels like he sounds "too gay." I have never thought that but its really sad. It is definitely internalized homophobia. He has even said it before.

[@TejuAbiola]

It’s also a form of code switching common for marginalized people to do in order to feel safe. Not necessarily one to one, but I code switch unconsciously when I’m around a bunch of white people I don’t know if I don’t feel safe. It can be internalized stuff, but it’s also a safety mechanism!

[@annevanity3922]

@@TejuAbiola i’m white so i’ll never fully understand code switching but i do have to act “less gay” around straight people to feel safer

[@catlady4858]

@@annevanity3922 Yep, that's code switching.

[@bryh555]

Ya I started wearing a rainbow wristband on my watch which helps with internalized homophobia around new people, it feels like I’m able to kinda be out without having to verbally come out to people I don’t know so people won’t be as surprised or off put if I talk a little more feminine lol I feel like I don’t have to hide my voice as much when I’m wearing my identity on my wrist

[@lindseyp2136]

@@TejuAbiola right, I think Nick mentioned that too and I know my partner does it too, he's said that. That is the world we live in and that's so sad. And I'm sorry you have to do that. That's terrible.

[@hermitqueenjude]

wow nick thank you for talking so openly about how our homophobic and misogynistic society makes you feel like you have to squeeze yourself into other’s idea of normal. it honestly makes me sad that anyone has to go thru that. you are wonderful and beautiful

[@aarondeer5719]

Someone should remake this movie but like- better. And give is the viola/olivia leabian lovestory we deserve

[@toff1568]

YES PLEASE, an actual trans version would also be great tho

[@SammyLammy1D]

Yes, or make "viola" actually trans, or enby, and a gay/none straight relationship between "viola"/sebastian and Duke. Either way I'd be so happy. Altough, I personally think Olivia and Viola had the better chemistry

[@toff1568]

@@SammyLammy1D haha same viola and olivia had great chemistry, that’s why past baby gay me loooved this movie! There is definitely even less trans/enby representation tho so every new movie is a win

[@SammyLammy1D]

@@toff1568 as a demigirl who is lesbian/unlabeled (still not really sure) I want more trans representation. But like I said, Viola and Olivia definitely had the most and the best chemistry in the original

[@syntext]

Growing up as a gay trans guy who hadn't come out yet, I loved this movie because I vaguely felt seen in the midst of media that only focused on cis heterosexual stereotypical expression. Now looking back years later where we have so much media with far better representation and portrayals, it's clearly aged pretty damn terribly. Thanks for tearing into it. ❤️

[@mclazerz8931]

It's definitely interesting watching this movie again for me. I'm 30, a trans guy; I didn't realize I was trans and then came out until I was 23-24 and I watched it not long after that and it was really cringy and had a weird pang to it. Now it has shown areas of myself I held or still hold internalized trans and homophobia. It's a gross movie but good introspection for me 😅

[@delsingray5923]

Considering that he's also kinda suggesting Gender expression stereotypically with sexuality (guy wearing eyeliner must be gay), he's kinda guilty, too.... I'm a gay trans guy, sure but even I know that's a stereotype. Not all gay guys talk or present like him.

[@ms.marvelous8156]

If your looking into other Amanda Bynes movies, try “Big Fat Liar” with Frankie Muniz and Paul Giamatti.

[@KiraOhmart]

O my god o my god o my god

[@xloveandmayhemx]

Yes yes yesssss

[@SirChubbyBunny]

That would be a blast. Plus, we can add that as another film where Amanda Bynes and the Final Destination series are connected to each other within one step of the six degrees of separation.

[@mightbeagiant]

I love that movie, but haven't watched it in years. Time to see if it holds up

[@jasminejanna241]

The best

[@quenepacrossing4675]

Yeah, i never liked this one. I remember wanting olivia and viola to end up together cause they seemed to have the only decent relationship amongst everyone... but how olivia felt after learning viola is actually a girl is not really explored. Did that mean she was maybe bi or a lesbian and that’s what attracted her to viola? No one making the movie cared so..

[@pyxeeful]

I have not seen the movie, but from the clips it' looks like those are the only possible pairing with any chemistry to be found.

[@lesbiangoddess290]

@@pyxeeful honestly. In my mind they are together.

[@DeathnoteBB]

I mean she thought Viola was a man, so I would say no. It would make her attracted to men.

[@cathR1M8]

The only reason I liked this movie is because of Olivia falling for viola. That's about it.

[@mynameisreallycool1]

I wouldn't say that it necessarily means that. We should remember that she thought Olivia was a guy. That's like if we had a gay guy fall in love with "Sebastian" aka Olivia dressed up as "Sebastian", and people started saying, "Yeah obviously he's not actually gay, because he fell in love with someone who was secretly a girl."

[@lagozzino]

The unfortunate thing about trying to be a little progressive in a mainstream project is that in 20 years you'll most likely end up looking regressive because the standards for what counts as progressive in the mainstream will have, well... progressed.

[@whiteskull1067]

Which is okay, I think. As long as creators show that they can authentically adapt, they'll be forgiven. Media/creative stuff IS how we push boundaries in the first place. We should always be on the frontier and ready to adapt.

[@ayannabranchcomb7535]

I think its fair to recognize something as progressive for its time, even when we’ve moved past that. Its when media rehashes the same points and has the same conversations that we’ve been having for 10 years when it becomes a problem

[@sonicthehedgegod]

okay but absolutely none of this movie was “progressive” at the time lmfaooo

[@j2forew974]

@@whiteskull1067 no we shouldn’t. It is NOT real life?!

[@j2forew974]

@@sonicthehedgegod ehh I think it was actually

[@Jrose11]

I found your channel via one of your Dixie D'Amelio videos, and I was expecting something kinda similar (light hearted and critical) but this was actually really well done even as a "serious" critique. I don't think people realize how homophobic (or transphobic) many 90's/00's movies were (I mean they still are, but not like this) and the way you analyzed it was on point! Great work!

[@rosexthermite]

and the 80s and 70s tbh.

[@aiko1697]

I- I did not expect to see Jrose11 in the comments of a clip break down. Im pleasantly surprised.

[@ClamantesDaemonium]

I love how the message of this movie is supposed to be "rigid gender roles hold people back and everyone would be happier with a slightly fuzzier line between the two" and yet it's hilarious that the boyfriend cries when he loses at soccer. Consistency!

[@christinagonzales2378]

All this time I swore this was about college kids.

[@sarahvalerie4307]

Pretty sure it is, I think Nick made a mistake

[@El1society]

@@sarahvalerie4307 nope it takes place in a boarding school (12 grade). i too thought it was a college movie just cause of the dorms lol

[@notamberp]

“What in the Worldstar watermark is going on in this restroom?!” ....Nick, you never cease to fucking amaze me with your one-liners lmao legitimately a genius. Thank you for the consistent quality content!

[@lacey892]

The high brow insults lol I love his humor 😂

[@lexnoens9728]

as a transmasc and lifelong amanda bynes fan i gotta say i adore this movie despite all its flaws 🤣🤣 it must have sparked so many gender discoveries in young people

[@talynhastime9343]

Sometimes even the most problematic stuff can help trigger the journey to self discovery. The baby gays nowadays want to claim Rocky Horror is transphobic, for example, but it was really the only thing at the time that was as out about LGBT people as one could get for mainstream audiences!

[@samanthacauvin7253]

Thank you!!! This is one of my favorite movies !!!

[@harukahayashi]

me it was "i' wish i could be like that 'i'm a boy but actually a girl!'" I had the same shit as when she'd hug the guy or feel really awkward in changing rooms and even sleeping with the guys. I envied that she could remove the boy facade and date her "guy friend" personally lol

[@Coconuggmuffin]

It did for me! Also transmasc and loved Amanda since her nick days. This film made me wish I could dress up like a boy and have a girl fall in love with me. Later discovered I’m nonbinary. I love this movie lol.

[@piffba]

I recently watched for the first time and I enjoyed it! It’s good although it’s also, of course, a bit dated and some jokes are... really weird, to say the least

[@roselisesullivanbarrett]

The thing about mechanics though is that they on large have been proven via gathered data by several studies to adjust their service and the cost of certain scalable services based on gender and gender identity. It’s been show that women who take their vehicles to mechanics are often overcharged and pushed for unnecessary vehicle services. This is why some women even have their male friends take their cars in or if they’re in a straight relationship will go with their SO. I could imagine the bias follows through to more feminine presenting individuals. So please do keep fighting your internalized homophobia and being your true self- at the same time I don’t think that trying to act more masculine at a mechanic specifically is that bad of an idea if we’re talking from a strictly fiscally standpoint- which is super shitty, needs to seriously change, but a good thing to be aware of

[@toff1568]

Best thing regardless of gender would be to at least have a decent understanding of cars and their reparation costs so you know when you are being scammed out of your money!

[@michellecarlyle4370]

My teenager had to watch She's the Man for English class. I told them to tell the teacher that the movie is a steaming pile of shit and making the kids watch it was cruel and unusual.

[@purplelamp273]

For me, this movie taught me that you can accomplish your dreams and that men are trash for undermining women. 2 pretty wholesome messages

[@SaltNBattery]

I'm just reminded of all those "Professional Women's Soccer Team Beaten by teams of Pre-Teen Boys"... Over and Over. The Women's US National team was destroyed by a team of under 14 year old boys. The Professional women's Manchester Football team, also wrecked by a team of boys under 15... I mean, you can only delude yourself with the "social construct" Dogma for so long.. Then you have average M2F UFC fighters absolutely brutalizing professional female fighters..

[@purplelamp273]

@@SaltNBattery This comment just reiterates my statement that men are trash for undermining women. My dreams have nothing to do with sports, soccer, or UFC fighting (don't know why you feel the need to add that in). And the funny part is while you shit on professional women athletes, they could still whoop your ass. Hope you work through your misogyny because I can tell you need to if that was your first thought after reading my comment!

[@abracadanielle9647]

@@purplelamp273 I also liked this movie for this reason. It made me feel better about being a girl.

[@purplelamp273]

@@kerryharnden9614 Dude, I'm not here to rebut a "not all men" argument. If you're a man and your first thought after reading my comment was to lash out as you're "not that kind of guy," look inward.

[@andysmith5806]

@@purplelamp273 I’m not a man and I can tell you that grouping an entire gender together and making them all out to be as bad as their worst actors is incredibly sexist. You say you’re against sexism but you’re just being a hypocrite.

[@CheziahKatt]

I was reading about how Amanda had gender dysphoria, seeing herself playing a guy. I just started so I'm not sure if you mention that

[@talynhastime9343]

It helps prove that gender dysphoria is real-real, since even cis people can experience it.

[@choicethetaurus]

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[@pogbog9303]

@@choicethetaurus Pretty cool self promo dude

[@sharkboy5562]

@@choicethetaurus I like this a lot lol

[@spaceboy2475]

@@choicethetaurus Im lowkey vibin with this

[@Mmmmm83838]

I’ve been WAITING for this movie omg thank you. Poor Amanda was going through body dysphoria and this movie was so hard on her.

[@Mmmmm83838]

@@jamiehatesyou9175 no she’s not trans, but she still dealt with gender and non gender related body issues. There are interviews where she discusses it

[@guinevere788]

@UCs3d7VrkAikae04b5pSSJ5g no, just seeing herself dressed and perceived as a man on screen and on set was a very dysphoric experience for her.

[@PonyDecay]

Fun fact since Shakespeare's actors were all male it was easier to disguise the fact that viola and sebastion were changing people. Also, while it was a little obvious who was who in the play everyone else was completely oblivious. So that's why this plot hole of girls not being able to tell works. But if you never read the play you wouldn't know this

[@emilynelson9174]

I remember even when I was younger and hardly aware of sexual identify, when I watched this movie I was so confused why Olivia didn't just date Viola

[@clearspira]

Because sexuality is a thing in real life.

[@justheretowatchtheworldbur6611]

Nick, I LOVE the way you discuss LGBTQ+ issues! Much like the way you incorporated a discussion about asian discrimination in your Wendy Wu video. Not only are you funny and spunky you know how to articulate your opinion on sensitive issues without alienating anyone. You are knowledgeable on some very important topics and I am all about it. You're one of the most underrated people on KZbin.

[@ashuhlea]

“Welcome to Ilyeria - welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome welcome welcome to Ilyeria.” 🤣👏🏼 I’m here for this video.

[@zubetp]

that moment makes me laugh whenever i remember it, and it is quite literally the only time i laughed that entire movie

[@ashuhlea]

@@zubetp literally 🤣👏🏼❤️

[@BriaRoseSax]

I haven't even gotten to this point in the video yet, but i remember this moment and sang it in my head 🤣

[@starophie]

i can totally understand how this movie feels/felt invalidating as a queer boy, but as a young queer girl (although not fully aware of that when this came out; i was 12 and wouldn't come out for another almost 2 years) i did, and still do, love and identify with this movie. i can't explain why, and i'm sure it has a lot to do with how i felt when it came out, but i've watched it a bunch of times since and it still makes me feel seen. there are things i would change (like olivia and viola would end up together, lol), but i think it resonated more as a "girl power/be yourself" narrative than a "boys v girls" one. also, i think that toby and andrew are positively impacted a lot by viola's presence in their friend group! duke doesn't change very much, but especially with toby's relationship with eunice, you can see that they've become more comfortable being empathetic and kind as opposed to hyper-masculine.

[@megans998]

The fact that I watched this as a kid and accepted the scene where viola said Channing was hot as: “oopsie she almost gave herself away hehe” Like I didn’t even consider the fact that a man could be gay- it was just he’s straight or pretending to be a girl. So messed up

[@kirikakirikakirika]

I think the saddest thing about this movie is that it caused Amanda to develop severe body dysphoria.

[@SkwithOv]

similar to this movie - Motocrossed it's about a girl Andi (my nickname, her actual name is Andrea Rose, which is.... also my name, it's wild to me) who replaces her twin brother Andy (Andrew) in a Motocross tournament competition thing because he gets injured and she also loves motocross but it's " only for boys " i'm nonbinary trans masc (they/them) and this movie did a LOT for me as a kid the first time I saw it, her mom yelled her name (andrea rose) and I thought it was MY mom yelling for me (which was weird because she doesnt do the middle name thing when she's upset??) It's Disney and they have it on Disney+ it would be amazing to see it looked at here i love this kind of movie where a girl pretends to be a boy because there's so little representation, especially when I was a kid (and I'm only 25...) that this was the only thing that did anything like it but motocrossed (if memory serves) does it better because it's not really played as a joke plus, she actually cuts her hair instead of a wig

[@SirChubbyBunny]

I remember loving this one as a kid, which was probably super telling that I was deep in the closet when this first aired. I haven't seen this in years, so I don't remember if it was super heavy handed about women in traditionally masculine sports to where it sounded like an after school special. Plus, the side stuff with Andi and Dean was also a draw for me as well and how the family was involved with the scheme.

[@alirae3663]

Loved that movie. Probs bc Dean was super hot and I appreciated how he thought Andi had skill (which is sad that I found that endearing and not just normal)

[@SkwithOv]

it’s mainly the dad (who is super sexist, and andi is also a GOOD cheerleader so he wants her to stay with that because she’s a girl) and the competition in general having a rule i think (plus the sexist racer the dad hires) the mom is supportive of her and so are her two brothers

[@jalapeno1119]

Why would a parent name their kids such similar names

[@SirChubbyBunny]

@@jalapeno1119 Parents can be weird and quirky. I think Disney did this before with Kim Possible.

[@kelseywillow8110]

I remember this movie gave me some anxiety because all the characters are judging eachother and everyone is fighting for validation. Everything is about looks. For example this nerdy girl is also ridiculed while the cheerleader types are put on a pedestal because they are hot.

[@AG_KEMPER]

This movie spoke to me as a closeted ace kid in 2006. Middle school was rough, but at least I knew I wasn't the only one who felt out of place LOL. "She's the Man" is problematic trash, but it's *MY* problematic trash.

[@LaAuren13]

At the end I'm pretty sure it's heavily implied at the end that one of Dukes roommates was gay and that he and Paul are a thing! You can see Paul adjusting the roommates tie or something.

[@DimaRakesah]

I'm such a dork that the only reason I know what a "second string" means is because I know it's Medieval origins in archery. They kept a back up string in case their first string got wet or broke. So you know.... a second string is like a backup on the team in case your first person gets really wet and stretched out or breaks something!

[@therealMrA]

I'm a former sports fan and I never knew this. Thanks for the comment!

[@DimaRakesah]

@@therealMrA You would be surprised how many of our common terms and customs have their origins in Medieval times.

[@NotAMuse]

Okay this is so wholesome I love it! Thank you for sharing this info!

[@JaneDoe-po4gu]

I also feel like the unprovoked " sassy girl " violence you'd see in tv and movies was setting up little girls for a rude awakening with the idea that you can just slap grown men and you won't suffer any repercussions or violence

[@JessAnotherUser]

Oooh please do the other one in the holy trinity of movies for Amanda Bynes, “Sydney White”

[@munequitafp]

0mg yessss!

[@AJ-pu9jq]

Honestly the best Amanda movie imo

[@gucci2468]

YES PLEEEEASE!!

[@whimsyrosie]

I enjoyed it except for all the stereotypes of the different groups of people. Especially when they were showing all the different campus clubs. For me specifically (because it's part of my identity) I hated their portrayal of the Jewish group. They used the extremely religious stereotypes, which is very inaccurate. It's especially bad because I was actually apart of my Jewish group on campus and none of us were that religious because religious Jewish people in America usually go to to Jewish colleges if they go to college.

[@sugarm1860]

Is it just me, or does Amanda’s transformation give anyone else Haruhi from Ouran highschool host club vibes?

[@pyxeeful]

Hmmm couldn't stop making comparisons to Hanakimi in my head long enough to draw any other parallels.

[@BeansproutPost]

There are definitely similarities with Ouran here. Though personally I keep looking at Amada's character like a baby Light Yagami.

[@Emyyyyy00]

A kdrama called “To The Beautiful You” has the main girl pretending to be a man and she looks very much like Haruhi. Despite it being a very different story but it crossed my mind watching it.

[@gabrielleporter553]

the only thing is haruhi didn’t change her voice like amanda, haruhi just wore contacts and a male uniform and everyone was like “ seems legit “

[@small_golem]

When I was younger, I assumed Olivia knew Sebastian was a girl and was into her lmfao that should have been a sign for me

[@impeachgod2332]

I always thought this was about college kids so now knowing they’re supposed to be minors in super uncomfortable with the under age public nudity at the soccer match

[@ERosetoes]

I remember avoiding watching this movie as a teen cause I have PCOS and can grow a full beard as a cis female and all I ever wanted was to be a "normal" girl who didn't have to shave her facial hair every morning before school lol. Lots of people projected weird stuff on me just cause I was hairy, like everyone would assume I was a lesbian I guess cause I was unfeminine? Idk it was super stressful and I resented movies like this lol. ✌️✌️ Thanks for listening

[@firefox1578]

I can relate

[@dalpz205]

It gets better when you get older. The one thing you can appreciate about being older.

[@DarthFurie]

I have PCOS and I feel your pain. I hope you are in a better space now.

[@miyuu1317]

Omg SAME but with leg hair!! I didn't know women shaved their legs until I was 15 lool (a combination of my friends never talked about it and my mom didn't give a shit about shaving so she never told me to do it) I always felt like a monster because all the other girls had "naturally" hairless legs, meanwhile I was not that lucky. I love that my mom never pushed any of those things but it would have been nice to know they existed lol.

[@BrightAndBeautifulThings]

Hahahaha! You're right about the facial hair. I hate it too! 😂

[@ArtsyHumanbean]

I just want a guy to say I give good nod.

[@NickDiRamioTV]

Hahahah

[@realTrissMerigold]

Lol same

[@memorydocumentation5942]

YES THANK GOD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THIS

[@ThatWeirdFinn]

Thank gods he didn't actually enjoy this movie!

[@SirChubbyBunny]

Now we just need him to cover Motocrossed and compare notes to see who did Twelfth Night more justice- if that's possible. Plus, June is almost here so it all works out and they did the duel identity aspect better imo.

[@SocialLocust]

I'm a girl and when I go into a place like the mechanic shop, I dress less feminine so that they might be less likely to rip me off.