Ship Chat: Nebula Class

[@christopherbonczewski6458]

The nebula class was a missed opportunity to refit the class for combat with the Borg. They could easily take more type 10 phaser banks and photon torpedo tubes as well as incorporate the ablative armor.

[@billythehardheadgoat]

Second warp engine in it and it has plenty of power for the borg

[@Jager1967]

I always thought a good upgrade package for the Nebula class during the height of the Dominion War, would be to add a pair phaser array 'blisters' on the ventral side of its warp nacelles similar what we see mounted on the nacelles of the Galaxy class U.S.S. Venture. This would give the class a significant upgraded in phaser firing arc coverage against highly maneuverable smaller starships.

[@90lancaster]

I was wondering if they'd be mounted on the top with slightly limited fire arcs or on the underside of the Nacelles with uninhibited arcs, but I do have to wonder if the Nebula is designed to be able to settle on a flat surface - so sort of land on a starbase with a flat surface it is likely to heavy to land on a planet well though. But on a starbase - I think it could do that.

[@deaks25]

The Miranda/Centaur/Nebula classes have always fascinated me, often more so than the 'Main' class (ie Constitution/Excelsior/Galaxy) and made Starfleet feel a lot more realistic as adapting hulls/airframes/chassis is good way for IRL military forces, and even civilian industries, to spread development costs and reduce logistical issues; ie the Galaxy and Nebular using the same parts so you only need one set of spare to supply two classes.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

exactly and in some ways its cheaper. i very much see these as a parallel to STUGS and Jagdpanzers in that they were cheaper and if properly used, could be just as if not more effective than their parent designs...

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@Charles Taylor in terms of 'time and material' even if people don't charge for it, those are still limiting factors.

[@phoenixyo9987]

I also really like the designs, I feel sometimes that the mainline ships are like spoons with sticks attached. Like the design is cool but the practicalness look of Mirandas/Nebulas and somewhat New Orleans always looked cooler to me. Im a big fan of wacky designs too!

[@stephendarroch5565]

I always thought that the Nebula served as a Heavy Cruiser while the Galaxy class were more battleship in their role

[@qubex]

Galaxy Class is designated as fulfilling the Exploratory Cruiser role. It most definitely isn’t a battleship.

[@soupxv213]

@@qubex ah yes the federation tale as old as well the federation make a super cruiser that outclasses virtually every other ship of the line in the quadrant and then call it a exploratory vessel and send her into deep space to catalogue space microbes

[@davfree9732]

While the Federation doesn’t believe in armed conflict to resolve its conflicts, every ship it has is on some level capable of warfare. This is because Starfleet isn’t the military. It’s that and more. It’s every emergency service, transport service, courier… anything you can think of, Starfleet has to be able to do… because they are the last line of support to be called upon when necessary. And to when they arenLt being called upon, they chart stars. So while the Galaxy might be capable of being a battleship, until the Dominion war they earned their reputation as an exploratory cruiser.

[@BigJwlz]

@@qubex Yes and the Defiant isn't a warship, it's an "escort." Of course the Galaxy is a battleship. Starfleet is just being politically correct.

[@absboodoo]

@@BigJwlz Starfleet: We don't build warships, we build exploration ships. Those aren't phaser array, they are stun beam emitter and mine drilling laser. Those are not torpedo launchers, they are probe launchers.

[@jeffhallam2004]

It was one of my all time favorite ships and would’ve been my choice as captain! Love these videos!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

definitely one of the cushier assignments ;)

[@babbyfacerevocation2740]

All the Star trek ships are the most elegant and majestic of all the sci-fi's starships. With the exception of the millennium falcon.

[@cnewtonc]

Yup,. That ship would be my choice also.

[@jessicacolegrove4152]

Honestly I have always thought that the nebula would make a great base to convert to a hospital ship. Put on a medical module reduce the weapons a bit but leave some for self defense. Reduce the size of crew quarters and it would have tons of space to dedicate to medical use

[@ryanyvegaify]

I love the Nebula class if I was an officer up for a ship command I would ask for the next available Nebula. It's one of my two favorite starfleet ship platforms.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

I'd take one too and hope for a nice exploration assignment. And on route I'd task my engineers with fitting the ship out with ablative armour and neglect to mention that fact to starfleet( no harm in giving ship ability to take a bloody nose if shields collapse)

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

Pre-Dominion War, the Nebula is basically an armed ocean liner in space. Post-Dominion War, the Nebula is a Heavy Cruiser that holds it's own to all but the most powerful ships in the galaxy. In the 26th Century is will most likely be an armed ocean liner in space again. I would enjoy a month or 2 long space cruise vacation in one of these ships, visiting resort planets.

[@jpasby779]

lol. I would enjoy a trip on 1 of these too

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

definitely. between it and the galaxy they make for some pretty luxurious battleships. although maybe ones built during the dominion war are a little more austere...

[@FedoReds88]

I considering, if this semi-military ship have this level of luxury on board, think what a proper civilian liner have

[@Acrosurge]

I'm still confused as to how an "ocean liner" can easily dispatch a military vessel like the Cardassian Galor class.

[@TheRezro]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 The original design of Nebula, was later reused by Star Trek Online as Melbourne class. A later, slightly larger version of the Nebula, used in the 25'th century.

[@jonmcgee6987]

It's a pretty good design. Yes it's a remade Miranda class ship. The Miranda's are pretty decent though eventually outdated. Still both designs look good and get the job done.

[@brianjohnson5272]

I agree it's the TNG and onwards Miranda class. As I recall pre watching vid the Nebula also could be fitted with varying kits. I always wondered if the nebula output the power at launch as a galaxy. I see also with its more compact design it may move at warp using less power than the galaxy class. It'll be more maneuverable and harder to hit critical systems. Notable ships to my memory are the Phoenix and the Sutherland.

[@hansebee]

I would say so. In my head canon there is a reason you see hundreds of Mirandas but no Constitution Refits in TNG and DS9. The Miranda class must have been far more versatile, in addition to having measurably more internal volume than the Consties.

[@brianjohnson5272]

@@hansebee bud, the Constitution class was a refit from the constellation class.(18 month refit). Second I've played Starfleet command 1,2& pirates for PC so my head canon has variants from shield refit to complete rebuilds into a Constitution photon torpedo boat. The constitution class was an explorer the Miranda branched into a very versatile patrol vessel. The nebula took the best of both and came out well yet not as strong as a pure exploration nor a patrol ship. Look up Fasa buddy so many ships, so many classic variants your brain will leak out halfway through them.

[@nunya3163]

@@hansebee I believe that the Miranda had more firepower, once you factored in the modules, and was a true combat vessel, while the Constitution was more of an explorer.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

I like that the nebula is wider than it is long. It's not really smaller than a galaxy, just differently configured.

[@kevsha6797]

The nebula class was always one of my favorites. My head cannon always had them as the later primary hull design the whole time. Class wise seems like the role of a Battle Cruiser in ww1, the firepower of a battleship but the cost and armor of a cruiser. Slower than a galaxy in warp but quicker at impulse due to all the mass being closer to center. Less room for additional fusion reactors so its more reliant on the warp core for power

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

true although the galaxy has 3 impulse units i don't know how many the nebula has.

[@sagesheahan6732]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 it has two before they add the superstructure to the secondary hull's dorsal aft. Than they add a third. So 2 on earlier models and AWACs, and 3 with any having the pod superstructure.

[@sagesheahan6732]

I personally think they would just call this thing a Cruiser, and depending on its mission profile for what it's loaded out for, than add a descriptive tag. Example: when given the weapons pod, it would then be designated a battle cruiser. Give it a shuttlebay pod? Carrier-Cruiser. Sensor pod? Science Cruiser. From another standpoint from Starfleet admiralty, this design is actually rather genius. it takes the adage of when facing a star fleet vessel you never know what you're really facing because the captain and crew of the starship could be from any worlds, so they're tactics change up. Now here you have a starship doing the same damn thing. Changing up tactics. 😁

[@nonamebleach]

This was always my favourite ship in the next generation days. I always thought they should of made a show with this being the main ship design. They need to make a new one with an updated design and make a show out of it. This is a good war ship.

[@Deepingmind]

I always felt that they built the GCS and then said "this ship is a bit too floppy and a bit too stretched out" and so build the nebula class as a more compact (though roughly similar mass) to have a ship that just tanked better. The GCS was a glass cannon early on, with so much of it being an easy to reach target. Where as the Nebula class being more more compressed made hitting vital targets much harder along tighter frame.

[@paulkirby2761]

Love the Nebula's compact and adaptable design while retaining those iconic and aesthetically beautiful elements of the Galaxy such as the huge saucer and those good looking warp nacelles. Sure, it's lore became twisted into the saucer being physically smaller in dimensions to the Galaxy but we know it was made from parts of the Galaxy model ship for the show and Imho feel it should have been kept that way. Regardless, I always felt it offered far more than the somewhat limited Galaxy since it could be kitted out for science, exploration or into a war machine. The big rear shuttle bay appears far bigger than the Galaxy and could have carried far more support vessels for various roles including fighters or drones etc, and just the ability to simply carry small stranded vessels in its shuttle bay that a Galaxy would either have to tow slowly with a beam or even abandon(Like a Danube Class possibly). As for the pods it can carry, what a great idea and the possibilities are limitless and I'm not just leaning towards tactical military usage. One type of pod could be deployed as a hub or station at a planet. Another type of pod could be a detachable support ship equally bristling with scientific equipment to get a far more accurate two points of readings and scans of something that one ship alone just couldn't offer. A hospital pod for planets and situations where something sudden and catastrophic requires immediate large scale medical assistance. Of course, my own favorite idea would be a rethink of the delta shaped tactic pod. It's huge, and so it's current story of just housing a few torpedo launchers just doesn't sit well with me. It's just too big for only a few torpedo launchers and if that's all that was needed then the actual real size scale that pod would be would be tiny. No, what I'd love to see, is that the accompanying story and reason that tactical pod is so big(stick a person on it for scale, it's bigger than some shops saucer!) is because 1. It's also covered with phaser banks for significantly more firepower and firing angles/archs covered. 2. It contains additional powerful impulse engines to significantly improve manoeuvrability and responsiveness during battle and while operating as a detached tactical support ship. 3. All that addition phaser and impulse power requires significantly more power and yes, you've guessed it, therefore houses its very own warp core(or some sort of notable power source). Not a core as big or powerful as the Nebula mothership, but at least half as powerful and mounted longitudinaly down the middle, and therefore suddenly it's large size and tactical significance would make a hell of a lot more sense compared to its current "just a few extra torpedo launchers" story. I'm not sure why the writers didn't see the scale and come up with that better phasers+impulse+additional power source massively performance enhancing tactical pod/secondary ship sort of script themselves but it is what it is.

[@ussvoyager8650]

Chief O'Brien got a Nebula class Starship up 2 warp 9.6 on DS9

[@Qardo]

Nebula-Class is more of a Pocket Battleship. Smaller than a Galaxy-Class. Though lacking a lot of the armor to make it into a Battleship. Yet packs more firepower than any Heavy Cruiser. In the real world: The Deutschland-Class Cruiser was classed as Pocket Battleships. Due to these standards. Larger Guns to be classed as a Heavy Cruiser. Yet lacked the armor to be classed as a Battleship. Three ships were built for the Deutschland-Class: Deutschland, Admiral Scheer, and Admiral Graf Spee.

[@caktitaqiwicaksana6018]

The British media though was the one who classified the Deutschland class "Panzerschiff" (German for "Armoured Ships") as "pocket Battleships" for propaganda use, capital ships meant to not fight amongst one another but kill smaller ships are Battlecruisers or the appropriately named "Cruiser Killer" or "Super Cruisers"

[@valenrn8657]

Some Nebula-Class uses Galaxy-class parts e.g. USS Bonchune (NCC-70915). Nebula-Class removes the neck section weakness while gaining mission-specific pod features.

[@colinwhite5485]

Galaxy is best defined as an exploration cruiser. No combat design just the strongest shields and phasers tacked on. Ambassador class, Excelsior class, and constitution class were considered heavy cruisers. But they were designed with an eye on combat. The galaxy is like a weird wobble before going back to ships with an eye on balancing all aspect (e.g. sovereign class).

[@merafirewing6591]

I like the quad nacelle variant of the Nebula class.

[@karlrichardson3295]

My two favourite classes are the nebular and the steamrunner

[@builder396]

You talk about ships the exact same way as David Fletcher talks about tanks, and I think its glorious.

[@TheSanien]

I always liked the Nebular. I feel it have stronger shields because it is more compact and the shields doesn't need to be extended ad much. That and more firepower it is a formidable ship.

[@terrencechilds8984]

Now Ben Maxwell there is a captain that knows how to fight

[@Audioholics]

How did a small squadron of Cardassian ships destroy a Nebula class in DS9? Makes no sense. I can see Jem Hadar pull that off, but not even a few Keldon class ships could.

[@smileygabe22]

Also, I absolutely love the Nebula Class ship, especially the Dominion War Variant. Nebula on steroids. In my opinion, I think its a superior ship to the Galaxy. Small, more compounds, shields would be stronger since its bubble would be smaller. Same firepower if not more. Love it.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

The galaxy is a all rounded though very underpowered ship that they didn't know was underpowered until the Borg and everything after them told them that. Galaxy fully armed is a monster. Nebula was atleast better designed in hindsight which is why I believe some lore kept nebulas on the battlefield while galaxy classes became colonial ships no ship can handle a galaxy class without plot convince or being a major military ship of an organization

[@valenrn8657]

Galaxy-class can extend its warp core height with the Galaxy X variant. Galaxy X could have additional large energy weapon backend equipment inside the neck section. Nebula class is good for its size which maximizes its given technology without expanding into Galaxy-X's extra material cost.

[@gabemonge3695]

@@SuperGamefreak18 Yeah i hated when it got wiped out by the Birrd Of Prey. Boy that pissed off a lot of people. Bop.... its so stupid.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

with nebula vs galaxy i think it really is close and more depends on crew skills.

[@grndzro777]

I like how you reconcile ship changes with universe physics. Polava! I learned a new word...ooo the etymology of that puts you from North England.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

It's a pretty common phrase across England. I'm certainly no northerner.

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

I always thought the Nebula class looked more badass than the Galaxy. I always thought the case could be made that if the Galaxy class was a battlecruiser the Nebula would be a battleship. It has fewer windows implying more focus on armor, the secondary hull is tucked up in between the engines allowing more protection for the engineering systems and the ship as a whole can be contained in a more compact shield bubble. It looks meaner and tougher. I get serious battlewagon vibes from it.

[@dontdrunkimshoot8220]

Reading that old TNG tech manual filled my head with ideas and explanations to make sense of all those kitbash ships, including the nebula. If i may hijack this video's comments to detail them... The galaxy class development program took about 20 years to produce the first 3 ships, and its because they set certain, very high, thought unreachable, design goals for it. They had to develop and advance the technology to reach those performance goals, and along the way, various components of the ship were design locked, and derivative ship classes were developed utilizing them, or scaled down versions of those components. These ships used off the shelf technology for their time, and that dictated their sometimes unusual look. the Niagara class was likely one of the earliest example from around 2346, an attempt to create an uprated ambassador class that had the warp performance similar to the goals set out for the far off galaxy class, accomplished with then current technology and 3 instead of 2 nacelles. Single nacelle freedom class frigates, and 2 nacelle Challenger class destroyers soon followed, all sporting the new sleek and organic design language and full sized galaxy class nacelles. In the early 2350s light and heavy cruisers like the Cheyenne, Springfield, and New Orleans would launch, with smaller, more proportional, but still derivative nacelle designs, and hull design language. by 2355, it was clear the galaxy would need to bake in the oven for as long as another decade to reach all the development goals, especially those regarding warp drive performance, the galaxy class was more than twice as heavy as anything starfleet had ever tried to propel faster than light. The federation was actually under a lot of pressure from hostile neighbors during this time, and the decision was made to essentially launch a line of full sized galaxy class development project ships immediately, with then off the shelf technology. To accomplish this, they had to crush the design into as small and compact a ball as possible for a ship that heavy to fit within a warp field it was possible at the time to generate, but all the effort payed off, and starfleet has on its hands a big gun battleship utterly unmatchable by those that troubled it. A handful of these huge ships, each leading small battle groups composed entirely of other galaxy project derivative ships, achieved several decisive victories against the federations foes at the time. Talarian, Cardasian, Tzenkethi, and Tholian quickly ended all declared wars, boarder disputes and general hostilities these powers waged against the federations, with an end to that hostility lasted at least a decade for each. The nebula class would continue to be produced until about 2365, when the galaxy class had a few proven years under its belt, and began its own mass production, making it unnecessary to continue producing nebula class. With the technology that allowed the galaxy class to be possible now perfected and optimized, it was now the nebula class that had the sub optimal design, but had served its purpose very well during its time. The existing nebulas would benefit from all future upgrades and improvements intended for the galaxy class though, and at least in combat were interchangeable as heavy battleships. Most remained configured as battleships, that was the only job a Nebula could do as well as a galaxy class. Most class specific development at this point went into creating different sensor platforms for long range surveillance and tactical reconnaissance. While the first generation of galaxy class were configured to be flying embassies of the federations ideals, filled with civilian scientists, crew families, gilded flagships of a peaceful and prosperous time in the federation. In this configuration, a galaxy class's combat potential was severely limited, leading to several unexcusable losses. It wasn't until the start of the dominion war that galaxy class ships were built or reconfigured into battleship spec, similar to the nebula class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

so yeah the new Orleans precedes the Galaxy class basically serving as a mini-testbed. followed by the other 3 operating with the fully sized components. personally i view the Springfield and Cheyeanne as a separate lineage. although i don't know if it makes sense to end the production of the nebula once the galaxy was working, certainly i think they changed their minds when the dominion war began...

[@dontdrunkimshoot8220]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Cheyenne and Springfield have their own variant of nacelle, what i imagine is essentially a galaxy class nacelle cut in half, mechanically. Same for the New Orleans, but they were able to down size but keep the galaxy aesthetic intact, proboly because they were originally developed for the earliest nebula variants with the mini nacelles in the back. The New Orleans is likely the last of the down sized galaxy derivative project, developed at least partaly along side the nebula and probably to be a direct excelsior replacement. Once all the conflicts of the 2350s was warped up though, the modern excelsior was still plenty good for a peace time mission profile, so demand for a then modern replacement was drastically lessened, causing a low production rate for the ship. This is likely the story for all those other down sized galaxy derivative classes too, a period of peace roles around and the demand for new, more powerful ships disappears. This kind of complacency is finally broken by the borg invasion, leading to yet another round of small to medium sized hyper modern ship classes being developed, and this time, fully mass produced, just in time for the dominion war. With how i figure the nebula class came to be, its just a question of opportunity cost. Why build a nebula when you could build a galaxy instead? in my theory, the nebula configuration is just a galaxy when they couldn't make the shape of the galaxy work with off the shelf technology. Once they could make it work, the galaxy is just a better ship, and the nebula is a brick that might have something like terrible subspace drag and fuel efficiency.

[@barrybend7189]

The Nebula I see as a good tender ship for the Galaxy. As you could send a Nebula secondary hull just to recover the Galaxy saucer.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

The Galaxies got all the glory while the Nebs did all the dirty work!

[@Palmerrip]

Theory on the 'AWACS' version: that is was mlre than just a long range sensor platform, but also a SIGINT and ELINT ship. The sensors could go x amount of distance into another's territory and you'd be able to decipher enemy signals and transmissions, possibly even plant fake orders, etc to keep a warring power off balance. Thoughts?

[@HarperStl]

Would explain how Maxwell picked up on Cardassian shenanigans so easily

[@sixwingproductions]

I heard long ago part of the nebula classes purpose was to pick up galaxy saucers after the loss of a star drive section.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

interesting idea and that does raise a point. wtf is the saucer mean't to do its basically stuck at impulse?

[@sixwingproductions]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 i think a nebula stardrive section may have been cheaper to produce than a galaxy so at the time i do see starfleet having a small amount of nebula stardrives with no saucers sitting in reserve to go pick them up. then they probably would just re register the ship as a nebula.

[@brownsupahero]

Galaxy and Nebulas are Explorers, hull design was not designed for tactics but for maximizing internal volume, comfort and creating solid warp bubbles. They are not warships and their big profiles are not good for skirmishes. Energy output though... excellent.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

But not slouches

[@jonsouth1545]

@Charles Taylor all of which are the classic cruiser role although with different emphasis but then again we used to have 1-3rd rate Armoured Cruisers and Protected cruisers then we had light and heavy cruisers thier naval roles were not that tat different they just had a different balance of attributes. The light cruiser was just as big as the heavy cruiser it just emphasized rate of fire over weight of fire.

[@andytol1976]

Nebula Class was always a top favorite of mine, by a lot. She, and her cousins the Galaxy Class, have made me wonder a few things: I picture it in my head that both classes were designed under an "all or nothing" armour scheme. Only the critical areas would get physical protection, the rest would rely on the hugely powerful energy shields. The mass of these ships would be astronomical (pun intended) to begin with. Those engines; that are capable of moving objects that big that fast, pumping energy to the defensive and weapons systems when they're not at top speed would be way more than sufficient for most instances. That made them originally vulnerable to the Borg and Dominion. It's both a design flaw, and their most powerful asset. In a larger context, one could see these ships being the start of the Federation's troubles during TNG and forward. To their neighbors, these super massive and massively powerful "ships of peaceful exploration" would give folks the screaming freak-outs. Intended or not, it'd start an arms race, and cause other factions like the Romulans and Cardassians to feel the need to assert themselves more. The Federation are nice folks, but those are really big sticks...

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah that's definitely something the federation forget when designing those TNG era ships.

[@andytol1976]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 To be fair, the "bigger is better" design philosophy Starfleet used goes right back to the Constitution Class. Also; everyone else local uses the same sort of tech, so specialized weapons that ignore energy shields wouldn't have been considered, and it was quickly adapted too. But also in fairness; if today someone got themselves an armoured car, and strapped rocket launchers to the top, how far down the highway you think they'd get before the police showed up? Lol "I only use it to commute to work and go grocery shopping"

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The Nebula is more of a Large Cruiser, a very rare and unique class during WWII. Essentially, Large Cruisers were designed to be cruiser killers and commerce raiders. They carried near battleship armament of 11 or 12 inch guns when a heavy cruiser carried 8 inch guns. Large Cruisers had armor think enough to shrug off anything a cruiser could throw at them, yet fast enough to outrun a battleship or battlecruiser that carry much heavier guns and armor. The Nebula is nearly as well armed, shielded and powered as a Galaxy Class, but not designed to take on battleships alone (two would make short work of a battleship). A Nebula is quite a bit superior to any conventional medium or even heavy cruiser.

[@cdlord80]

I ran some displacement tests with scale models of the Constitution refit and Miranda classes. They have virtually the same displacement (Miranda wins by a small margin in fact). They are all era cruisers. I would even say the Miranda is a heavy cruiser while the Constitution is a standard cruiser if we want to tag the light/medium/heavy term to weapons loadout instead of size. I suspect similar displacement variance between the Galaxy and Nebula making them both cruisers too, the Galaxy isn't heavily armed per se, but with the right pod, the Nebula can outgun a Galaxy.

[@imperiumcommentingnetwork4677]

Galaxy: Capital ship Nebula: Heavy Cruiser Defiant: Destroyer Miranda: Light cruiser Oberth: Space Debris

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Galaxy is basically a battleship. and i'd say miranda is a destroyer... just not a good one.

[@imperiumcommentingnetwork4677]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I dunno about the Miranda still being a destroyer by the dominion war. I took one up against a Borg cube in the STO game and died like a Klingon should...

[@spiritofthewolf15x]

Dominion war era Nebulas were absolute BEASTS in battle.

[@niceguy60]

Dude the Farragut and Honshu both got bodied.

[@alanfisher3848]

@@niceguy60 Yes but in the case of the Honshu, it was picked off by a wing of Cardassian destroyers. I don't know about the Farragut but as a fan of the Nebula, I'd like to think ti wasn't easy.

[@mephistoxarses8585]

@@niceguy60 lol. I was about to say....."The Honshu got rekt. Didnt even see the Cardassian destroyers"

[@niceguy60]

@@mephistoxarses8585 The Honshu got Hiroshima

[@poseidon5003]

@@alanfisher3848 They got raped. Cardassian beam weapons are BAD ASS and they're the best in the quadrant. The ships themselves aren't so hot but that forward beam is CRAZY powerful. A group of three could wreck even a Galaxy class.

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

I saw a Spacedock video on the Nebula Class where it said the Nebula Class was apparently in service when the Galaxy Class was being designed as it said the Nebula Class was the first to use the Galaxy Style saucer section along with the design of the secondary hull,the main navigational deflector and the warp nacelles so from what I heard in that video the Nebula class was designed and built sometime between the 2350's and the 2360's and it was said that the Nebula class did not have that weapons module in the early years of it's service until later ships of the class came into service.

[@DrewLSsix]

Iirc the Pegasus was supposed to be a Nebula class but they didn't have the time or budget to build the model. So it was an Oberth class. Making the statement about the ship being used to develop Galaxy class technology seem a bit dubious. It being a Nebula makes a lot more sense.

[@999benhonda]

you could reason that it was a more battle ready design...the reason I say this, is the compact form could possibly get more out of its shields and even weapon systems. A smaller footprint should require less power for shields. The fact that it was slower, could be the drawback of the compact nacelle location.

[@kevinwestrom4775]

ONce I saw the Nebula class, I preferred that over the Galaxy class, for its more compact design over the Galaxy, and also the Weapons/Hybrid Weapons-Sensor/Sensor pod on the dorsal side of the ship. A Nebula with all of the same phaser power of the galaxy but with a good amount greater torpedos, and then with greater shield power from its less space to have to defend against from incoming disrupters, then greater agility than the Galaxy, it's an amazing bruiser of a vessel to stand on its own in battles. My only 2 improvements would be a second warp core and then a Phaser Lance on the ventral side (alt. universe future TNG Enterprise in final episode), to really make it formidable/deadly in battle. A cloaking device would improve it further if allowed, or Defiant & Voyager type advanced ablative armor to further increase its ability to fight in a pitched battle against many foes.

[@ycplum7062]

There really should not be a distinction between a light and heavy cruiser. The naval distinction between a light and heavy cruiser mainly came about from the London Naval Treaty of 1930. It was a continuation of attempts to limit a naval arms race initiated by the Washington Naval Treaty, which formalized the distinction between a cruiser and a capitol ship (aka battleship). In that treaty, a nation's total tonnage of battleships were limited, but not cruisers. The London Naval Treaty limited a nation's total tonnage of heavy cruisers and light cruisers. In theory, I guess you can have something similar in Star Trek, but I am not aware of any starship limitation treaties between teh Klingons, Romulans and Federation. lol

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

From the looks of it the superstructure that holds either the weapons pod or the A.W.A.C.S sensor pod or a third warp nacelle on the Nebula Class looks just like what we saw on the Galaxy Class Dreadnaught U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-D in the Season 7 episode 'All Good Things' and when they commissioned the Galaxy Dreadnaught Class I wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly what they did using that superstructure of the Nebula Class in it's design.

[@ultramaximusreviews]

One of my favorite ships of TNG

[@danielboatright8887]

My two cents and headcanon before I watch the video: Given its larger numbers, I always assumed while the nebula/galaxy were designed if not jointly, then at the same time with the same systems, with the nebula class going into production first to iron out nost of the bugs of the systems, and because a multirole ship was more useful for a wide varriety of tasks, especially with the detachable mission pods seen on screen, something criminally under used. When launched, it may have been called a light cruiser, but it was one of the heaviest ships of its time, intended to be the light cruiser to the galaxy class in a new generation of ships composed of the various galaxy kitbashes seen onscreen briefly. We see three versions on screen: AWACS- the USS Phoenix with the sensor dome, the science and sensors version Command/Intercept/recovery- The version with two tiny warp nacelles as the pod. (IIRC it was an admrials command ship at wolf 359), tasked with being fast and able to intercept ships, and the additional warp pod able to be used to assist in warp towing of disabled ships. Tactical/modular- the standard triangular pod, a modular module that could be configured for a mission, or just contain more weapons. In essence, it could be filled with torpedo tubes and rain torpedoes, although would usually have mission moduled in most of the slots. Where the Nebula hulls were designed to be modular and do a whide varriety of missions, the Galaxy was intended to be the heavy cruiser to the Nebula, and the ship used for more long range/duration exploratory missions, but they were never built in the numbers to really do all of this as competing designes and changing times relegated them to fixed roles, albiet the Nebulas ability to swap parts quickly meant it could have damaged pods replaced very quickly.

[@90lancaster]

+5:40 It does seem like a logical mode to make to the ship is to flip the centre line of the saucer back to front. so you have a forward facing shuttle bay. But I've seen some specs where they shuttle bay in the saucer is removed entirely and all the shuttle are in the rear pylon instead stacked across several decks - so like a small skyscraper of shuttles. I guess another alternative change would be to put the shuttle bay underneath and forward face - that might work too. But the Deflector might get in the way a bit with the shuttle launching. But it's not a lot different from the Sovereign, Intrepid or Nova class when launching their auxiliary vehicle I guess. I guess another idea might be to leave the shuttle bay where it is but have a port and starboard exit door one each side instead - that might even be logistically a great idea for carrying peregrines or combat runabouts.

[@raw6668]

I think the Nebula was best to describe as a poor man version of the Galaxy. Basically, it is able to do things the Galaxy can, and in some cases better, but only when it is modified to do so with its modular design. Unlike the Galaxy, which is designed to use its large space to be a multi-purpose ship that can do anything with little in modification required. Though I do agree, it is not a light cruiser, it would be a standard cruiser with the Galaxy being a more heavy cruiser. Though to be frank, I am not sure you can classify Miranda as a Light Cruiser in the 24th Century. Certainly would be in the 23rd due to the Constellation and Excelsior being classified as a heavy cruiser at the beginning of its career.

[@richard1701able]

I love watching Ship Chat in the morning. Tho I'm going to take a shot every time you say 'er'. Lol.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i hope you've not got anything lined up for later then...

[@BigJeremyBeyer]

The Nebula is basically a Galaxy, taken apart and put back together. It's my favorite Trek ship.

[@nickallanatkinson]

I love the Nebula, it does make me laugh how the designers forgot the impulse engines though 😬

[@poseidon5003]

LOL.. Just like the Romulan Warbird.

[@Wildcard120]

Good video. One of my favorite classes of Starship.

[@Kref3]

I always considered it the major flaw in Star Trek ship design. They build ships that do everything and these ships are marvelous in everything. The Klingons and Romulans and other bigger groups build very specific war ships, still they do not outclass the Federation multipurpose haulers. I saw an image lately showing side view drawing of a Galaxy class right in front of a Romulan TNG warbird (D‘deridex I think they are called). The Warbird is twice as long, wide and high and the internal volume of its beak alone is tree of four times the volume of an entire galagy class. The Scimitar from the last TNG movie actually seems to be smaller. And this massive ship is mostly a warship. Considering that the Romulans are at a very comparable tech base, one of these should blow three Galaxys all the way back to Sector 001. And the Klingons? Their Vorcha class heavy cruiser is a bit shorter than the Galaxy. But in fact they only took a propulsion system and weapon systems and shield systems, each comparable to the systems of the Galaxy and slabbed them together without all the stuff unnecessary in a warship, meaning, that these ships must excel in battle due to less unnecessary mass to be moved, less surface to be hit, etc. Galaxys and Nebulas are mobile space stations for peaceful missions like diplomacy and science. To use them in a war in an offensive way makes no sense at all.

[@1COMIXMAN]

They missed the opportunity to make that ship a dedicated torpedo boat. They could have put three torp launchers on the main ship. Two fore one aft. Then 12 on the pod. Six fore six aft. Have them separated so there would be four banks of torp launchers in sets of three.also put a phaser strip on the back of the strut and on top of the pod so that way it could have full coverage. The galaxy was sort of a glass cannon. We never saw it put through it's true paces till the finally of Picard TV show. We finally found out that the enterprise could actually fly like the millennium falcon using the right pilot other than the lumbering hulk we always see on older shows.

[@hudsonball4702]

Many people call the first variant of the Nebula, the "slack-jaw" version.

[@luminaire4946]

The Nebula took on several Cardasian ships without shields and kicked their ass. The galaxy took on ONE 12 year old bird of pray without shields and lost.

[@nixboox]

I think you completely misunderstand the point of these classes with the nacelles underneath the saucer. The goal there was to have the smallest footprint so that the nacelles were protected by the saucer section. This was WAY better for military engagements than having the pylons just hanging out overhead in a fire fight. The smaller footprint meant the shields were more compact and could absorb more impacts than attenuating the shields across a much larger area. The Nebula was particularly designed so that it could engage enemies at a greater distance than any other ships active in the fleet. It could stay out of the engagement zone and just bombard whatever it wanted before the enemy could get close enough to fire. Whether or not it was as fast as the Galaxy class is debatable since, on screen, we know that they're pretty evenly matched. We know that the Nebula was able to stay ahead of the Galaxy at warp 9.

[@georgef3171]

I never really understood why the Nebula would be slower and less capable than the Galaxy. It is more compact and really a better design imo. A leaner and meaner galaxy and the fact you can tailor the modular component of it makes it more versatile. I also like the fact that the warp nacelles aren't in as vulnerable a position as the Galaxy, so would be a tougher target to take out. Picard can keep the Enterprise - D.... I'll take a Nebula thanks!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

in short the answer is warp geometry; because the nacelles on the galaxy are further from the center of mass it means the ship 'leans' further forward giving it more speed.

[@georgef3171]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Hey thanks for the explanation. Great channel by the way!

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 and where are the impulse engines? There do not seem to be many large ones.

[@paulkirby2761]

Ya the writers clearly ran the nerfed Nebula "It's slower than a Galaxy" performance as not to step on the toes of the poster child and star of the show. Realistically though, if the Nebula had the same warp core, warp engines and presumably the same impulse engines etc then surely the more compact design would deliver at least the same sort of performance and most likely overall better performance in regards agilty. The more compact size would also make a smaller shield profile requirement too so the Nebula would kinda tick more boxes that first seems. We can only believe the Nebula, being so similar to the Galaxy, would indeed share the same warp core and warp/impulse engines, weaponry etc purely because logistically that would make the most sense, as to streamline the production and maintenance requirements of Starfleet vessels as much as possible. It just wouldn't make sense to have two almost identical ships that were designed and built around the same time and therefore must surely have been a shared/joint project, to have completely separate parts in those very common areas. Yes, lots of differences elsewhere, but surely not in those most common areas. Arguably, given the sheer adaptability of the Nebulas design with its ability to facilitate many roles thanks to interchangeable pods, it would also probably have a longer shelf life than the more role limited Galaxy, and would find a second life filling less import mundane sorts of roles decades after the newer designs forced its withdraw from front line service.

[@45580677]

Hey Venom I was looking at the Battle of Sector 001 and something hit me the Prometheus class was built off that success or expanded on as the Multi-Vector Assault Mode inspired by swarm formations as a Deep Space Tactical Vessel likely next time take the fight to them or stop them but also rapid force multipliers and reduce losses as Prometheus already the most powerful ship with 3 warp cores too boost phasers to Starbase level while completely automated as we saw how one rip a Warbird apart plus a Holocrew so be unmanned or a Drone Ship as we've seen the Borg have trouble against Holos and Androids maybe someone went hmmm. Anyhow just a thought floating around as can't wait to see how you make use of the Prometheus class Battlecruiser with the Phalanx class Battlecruiser in the coming fight or side as Starfleet lessons learn from round 2 and the coming fight. I wonder what Task Force Gamma or Delta for the Dominion and fast response actions are

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Prometheus is an interesting concept however most cannon seems to indicate that it never really caught on and instead starfleet continued to pursue homogeneous designs instead. there a whole host of reasons why i can think of. basically it boils down to being more trouble than its worth.

[@45580677]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 What of the Battlespace verse if you were to use the Prometheus as only so much they can use but yeah the Prometheus not as cost effective like the Phalanx to war demands as have more ships then the one likely. Plus what if something goes wrong as how easy someone took over or can take over and use against them too. Still Prometheus class was with the 3rd Fleet to intercept the Sphere at the Skirmish of Sector 001 love to see the Starfleet Captains jaws drop when Cube goes up on its own and something pop out as looks like one of there's when the Armor undeploys and the USS Voyager appears and IFF reads. Another the USS Cerberus was Admiral Ross Flagship ready to start the second Dominion War by taking the fight to them in the novels. Could always be one of those post war designs when Starfleet got a breather to build proper ships then war demands.

[@frederickarcala4749]

One of my favorite Federation star ships.

[@andrewtaylor940]

I think we always get the Nebula wrong in thinking of it as a poor man’s Galaxy, filling a Light Cruiser Niche. Just looking at it you can easily come to the conclusion that it uses the same Technology and design elements as the Galaxy, but for a very clear different purpose. Galaxiy’s are the all purpose heavy deep space explorer. Intended to fill a vast array of roles with excellent performance. It’s built for speed, range, and initial exploration and scientific missions. The Nebula’s are intended for more specific roles. They take core elements of the Galaxy, but build them around the ability to carry the special mission pods.the advanced deep survey sensor systems, or whatever is called for in a given ships specific role in the fleet. They may be follow up ships, coming in behind the Galaxy’s to perform more detailed analysis and research of what was found, freeing the Galaxy to go further. Rinse/repeat. Some may be rigged as deep space patrol along the Romulan and Klingon Neutral Zones. Each ship will be Captained and crewed with an eye towards the specific Module or Platform it carries on its back. While modules could be changed, it’s likely only done at 5he point of major refit. Nebula’s are probably more focused on Hard Science Missions Stellar Cartography, Deep Planetary Survey, etc. And less intended for Diplomatic or First Contact missions.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way shape and form and in every detail possibly provided indeed, And I myself have always liked the Nebula class starship's over the Galaxy class, and I myself own all the different Eaglemoss variations of the Nebula class as well as still owning the Micro machines ones 👌.

[@mmasque2052]

Functionally, I’d take a Nebula over a Galaxy any day. Aesthetically, though? Galaxy all the way. There was a comment about athletes and saying the Nebula wasn’t but could hold its own. I beg to differ. A Galaxy Class would be like a running back or quarterback in American football, fast strong, nimble (relatively speaking) and a Nebula would be a lineman; maybe not quite as fast, but able to dish out and take much more punishment. Or heavyweight vs super heavyweight in boxing.

[@ncc74656m]

The Nebulas were a badass. I imagine that based on the warp core issues, the Galaxy edged it out in power generation as well then, likely giving the Galaxy a slight edge in terms of endurance for shielding and phaser fire as well, although given the more "tucked in" nature of the Nebula, perhaps its shields could be more tightly focused effectively negating that disadvantage. But the Nebula is most closely a "pocket battleship," IMO. Definitely punching over her weight class. I have to wonder if the Odyssey had been a Nebula, especially with the torpedo module, if her final battle would've ended differently. I have no doubt that the fight would've been brutal and it would've come home limping badly if it did at all, and there's the question of whether the vulnerabilities that led to the Odyssey's rapid destruction would've afflicted the Nebula as well...

[@90lancaster]

+1:39 The Upper right looks like if it's capable of Saucer separation the Engineering hull is left with the smaller nacelles. where as the one on the middle left looks like the reverse. Either one of those might be good for picking up an abandoned galaxy Class Saucer for transport as it could split in half and bold the Galaxy Saucer on instead. Especially the left middle that looks perfect for that. I like the Long Body version - it's just that little bit different and that is cool.

[@warhawk4494]

I didn't use to like this class when I first seen it as a kid back when TNG was new. Now I love it. After learning more about I really like.

[@leomartin1603]

It never dawned on me till now. The nebula and miranda classes nacelles are very close to the primary hull, I wonder what they do about the radiation?

[@terrencechilds8984]

Wow the federation really knows how to make one hell of a ship

[@leonel1982]

The small nacelles on top are the babies to the big nacelles below :3

[@smeghead765]

I do like the Nebulas, but they ain't no Akira.

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

I think of each starship class "spaceframe" as a skeleton, on which you can put whatever muscles you need to. Some spaceframes are more flexible than others, for example the Nova Class can be set up as the new Oberth survey vessel, or you can pimp it out into a nice little destroyer, but it will never be very big so you can only do so much. The Nebula Class in my opinion is just about the most flexible of all spaceframes, allowing each individual ship to be customized to a great degree. So I see Galaxy Class ships as being the greatest generalists, each one good at everything, but the Nebula Class being the absolute best at whatever specific thing it's outfitted for at the time. As for the "mini-nacelle" thing, I see that as a way to do a saucer separation so that the saucer can do low warp speeds on its own, a good configuration for deep space exploration. Should the stardrive section have to be abandoned or destroyed, the saucer can start limping back home. Also splitting up to explore twice as much becomes feasible. My biggest beef with the various versions of the Nebula is that shuttlebay placement makes no sense at all. Perhaps if the main shuttlebay on the saucer faced forward like it does on several other classes of starship, then it would be fine but otherwise it's terrible launching a shuttle right into a pylon.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah that's part of the problems when you kitbash.

[@ussvoyager8650]

The Nebula class is most definitely 1 of my favourite Federation Starships a really great looking design a Starship I would love 2 command

[@leomartin1603]

I do like this class of ship.

[@cadengrace5466]

Good reason why it is not a very light cruiser, because it isn't a light cruiser at all. Star Fleet's combat cruiser line runs from Excelsior to Sovereign. Ambassador is the old Heavy Exploration Cruiser and Galaxy is the current Heavy Exploration Cruiser. Nebula is a multi-mission medium cruiser, can do science missions, combat missions or exploration missions as fitted with selected modules. In the combat role it is more powerful than a Excelsior and just behind a Sovereign. Properly upgraded it is probably on par with the Sovereign in that role. Nebula has more internal volume than Sovereign does even if it is shorter. The entire volume of Sovereign including warp nacelles would fit easily inside the Nebula saucer section.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

see i wouldn't even say Galaxy and Soveriegn are cruisers, they are nothing less than Battleships.

[@cadengrace5466]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I agree, but you will find few who agree with us even though in Yesterday's Enterprise, the monolog refers to the Enterprise-D as a battleship. I see the distinction designation changing as the years went by. The Enterprise-A was obviously a heavy cruiser to the Miranda Class' light cruiser status. Then Excelsior is introduced and is easily a battle cruiser. The new light cruiser replacement for the Miranda is the Challenger class like the Star Gazer. Sometime around this time Star Fleet determined it needed a true exploration cruiser and the Ambassador is developed. Ambassador has a limited run, probably less than a couple hundred based on the size of the Federation and the frequency of sightings. Technology is advancing quickly and most of the tech in the Ambassador class is prototypical and the lessons learned from the deployment of Ambassador start new programs to replace the assortment of smaller ships like the aging Miranda, Oberth and Challenger classes with the Nebula. The Ambassadors are the successor to the Galaxy class and all Star Fleet has to do now is replace the aging Excelsior combat cruiser with the Sovereign. Star Fleet like modern Earth navies tends to designate a class of ships as a lesser type for political budgeting reasons. Presently the US has 6,000 ton frigates, the size of WW II AA cruiser, 11,000 ton Destroyers the size of WW II Heavy Cruisers and even a small number of ships - Zumwalt - that tip the scales like old style battleships yet we call them cruisers.

[@dsc4178]

My favorite starship class

[@jonsouth1545]

These ships are cruisers, due to thier roles they were designed to carry the size is largely irrelevant, most cruisers in the 19th and 20th Centaury were physically longer or at least very close in length to the Battleships of the period. The County Class Cruiser of WW2 was 14ft (4m) longer than the Revenge class Battleships of WW2 and the Battlecruisers were significantly longer than the Battleships in every generation the Invincible class were 40ft longer than Dreadnaught, the Lion Class were 78ft longer than the Iron Dukes, Renown and Repulse at 750 ft were 120 ft longer than the R class Battleships there were designed from, The Courageous at 786 ft class large light cruisers were even longer at while Hood was 860 ft battleships may have displaced more but when it comes to length and apparent visual size cruisers were often "bigger" with Battlecruisers being significantly longer than contemporary Battleships. The Galaxy class and the Nebula Class are Cruiser role vessels as they are designed for long range operations away from supply bases and normally operate away from core territories. They are designed for the naval diplomacy role i.e the showing the flag visiting places quite far away and being a floating embassy a classic Naval diplomatic role that is essential in peacetime and has been one of the main peacetime roles of a cruiser for hundreds of years this ties in very well with the exploration role, on top of this thier is the trade protection/interdiction role essential in power projection these vessels able to operate on thier own or with minimal support deep in space. These long range independent actions, diplomatic roles and power projection are the classic cruiser roles in a navy and are carried out to this day. The thing that determines if something is a cruiser or not is the proposed role of the vessel i.e what was it designed to do. This is why HMS Hood is a Battlecruiser and not a Fast Battleship despite having comparable if not slightly better armour than her contemporary battleships the Admiral Class had slightly better armour when built than the QE or R class Battleships that were the most recent battleships built by the RN when she was built as she was designed to sweep the sea of merchant raiders.

[@RickySpanish12344]

I really like this ship. I imagine if it had been modified with the armor technology the Defiant had plus a cloaking device it would have been much more frightening to the Dominion.

[@Acrosurge]

I don't think the Dominion was put off by the Alpha Quadrant's cloaking technology. They seemed to be able to counter it pretty easily, actually. Now, Starfleet upgrading their shield technology to prevent Dominion weapons from passing through them and adapting the fleet to neutralize the Breen energy dampening weapons? I think that was pretty scary for the Dominion.

[@RickySpanish12344]

@@Acrosurge Well of course the shield modifications were the biggest threat to them. They essentially were fighting ships with no ability to defend themselves. Still the cloaking technology was a big deal. The Klingon's and Romulans did massive damage to them by launching attacks they didn't see coming. If the Federation had a fleet of warships with cloaks, the Dominion wouldn't have been able to stop them.

[@anonymous.nobody]

I prefer the Nebula to the Galaxy class and the Miranda to the Constitution class ships, the one thing about the Nebula class vs the Galaxy class was, if it basically uses the same parts as the Galaxy class, what is the in universe explanation for it to be slower and less maneuverable? Provided the weight is roughly similar, I would have thought speed should fairly similar? Then with maneuverability, I would have thought smaller would be better unless with the Galaxy class being able to put more thrusters along the hull is the reason it would be more maneuverable? My favorite variation was the weapons pod, with the AWACS being my least favorite pod. If anyone knows the answers to my questions, I would appreciated the explanation as to why my line of thinking does not match up to in universe.

[@martindevon3204]

It's the Hurricane to the Galaxy's Spitfire

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

(Brittania INTENSIFIES!)

[@TheCsel]

Its similar to how the Royal Navy would order a battlecruiser class along with a Battleship class. Scaled down, and less armored, but with comparable armament.

[@Cauin450]

You said that the Warp Core went up the Galaxy's neck? Yet the picture on the screen shows it tucked inside the Engineering Hull. Also, where are the torpedo/probe launchers on the Nebula? They don't appear to be visible anywhere. I know this is a Kit-bash, but usually there's some kind of logic behind Kit-clashes. So, I wonder why didn't they just put the shuttle Bay on the end of the Engineering Hull, where it’s been for over a century?

[@SerafineSilverstream]

If you want to go with naval terminology i guess the Galaxy class better fits the battlecruiser role while the Nebula (after receiving it's combat upgrades) is an actual battleship. Remember that the HMS Hood (a battlecruiser) was actually a good bit larger than most battleships of its time.

[@MrRich2u]

It has one big advantage over the Galaxy, a much smaller shield profile.

[@rogerwilson9892]

Nebula class reminds me of a boxer can take a pounding but give one also the Galaxy class long range runner it ran to fight but when boxer took over move off to support the fight.

[@JimmyMFP]

Definitely my personal favourite design of starship, with the exception of perhaps the defiant class. I am consistently disappointed by it in the games, as it’s really slow acting as a science ship (Star Trek Armada 1 & 2), but I first thought it was an awesome design in ‘Redemption’ and later in ‘The Wounded’, looking especially iconic in DS9 whilst docked. Still, I thought you did a fair analysis of it.

[@JacquesLapeyre]

I feel like the Nebula is more of a Heavy Cruiser to the Galaxy's Battleship/Battle Cruiser with the Akira being the Light Cruiser design of that lineage.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i'd say the Akria is more part of the sovereign lineage.

[@JacquesLapeyre]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I don't know. The Akira has at least as much design and aesthetic similarity to the Galaxies as it does the Sovereigns: For example the nacelles are closer to the form of the Galaxy. And considering the Akira is much smaller than the Nebula, classing it as the light cruiser of a Sovereign lineage seems odd.

[@jollygreen4662]

Wasn't the capt in Stargate sg1?

[@kevinwestrom4775]

In re-watching this episode, there's no reason why the Nebula wouldn't be equally as fast as the standard two-nacelle Galaxy-class, and then slightly slower than the three-nacelle Galaxy-X class. Even if the Nebula was only a small fraction slower, (depending on the plot of the moment per episode), the Nebula-class with its AWACs or hybrid weapons & sensor pod or combined weapons pod of up to 30+ % more torpedoes & a heavy phaser on the dorsal-mounted weapons pod, along with the more compact design giving it a greater shield strength from less area to have the shields extended over, while in battle, and the same type X to type XII phaser array mounted on the saucer section just like the Galaxy-class has available, would give the Nebula a very powerful set of battle resilience if going up against several enemy ships to the one ship.

[@thewargod1995]

I don't know where you get that this was a slower ship, it is not. It is also a superior fighting vessel as it's small compact size allows for far greater maneuverability than the Galaxy and is easier to miss with enemy weapons. This ship sports basically the same firepower as a Galaxy if not greater ability in that regard.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

its not so much about mass... so much as it is density/balance; the smaller surface area of the nebula means any maneuvering surfaces are closer to the center of mass, so have less 'leverage' compared to the galaxy which spreads its mass.

[@thewargod1995]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I see your point but I'm still not buying that making this ship less maneuverable or even slower than a Galaxy.

[@iansaviet600]

surprised that more Frankenstein fleet ships didn't incorporate the torpedo module

[@jesfar620]

I love the Nebula Class!

[@petersmafield1494]

I want one for my personal use as long as it is fully kitted out with all the guns and weapons.

[@vegaobscurax23]

Any chance you’d consider putting the audio from your vids in podcast form?

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

The idea of this vessel is a good. The idea of an EWAC during wartime is very useful for fleet corridenation. That said i would argue it as a very heavy Battle cruiser. Where the Galaxy was the Battleship.

[@jhallam2011]

Love the Nebula class and would rather command her than a Galaxy. Wouldn’t her nacelles being below be an advantage?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

They are more protected but offer a less dynamic warp field.

[@drudare2999]

I love your videos could you do a video on the Luna class it’s a ship that I really like but I really do not know anything about

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

quite possibly. i really liked seeing it on lower decks.

[@drudare2999]

Venom Geek Media 98 Ever since I watched your video on the defiant class I made sure to watch every other video of yours because you go in depth into the ships that I want to know more about

[@terrancechilds3049]

I have said it one's and l will say it again put me on a nebula class star ship and I will show you how to fight.

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

The Nebula was introduced as a battleship. With the massive weapons pod addition it can easily out punch a Galaxy class

[@nunya3163]

If you think about it, even the Miranda had more fire power than it's counterpart in the Constitution, once you factored in the modules.

[@PeterPanik_]

where did you get that the nebula is slow? its got the same engine and nacelles as the galaxy and is officially capable of warp 9.5.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

It has one less impulse engine so is less agile at sunlight.

[@jaredcolon4535]

Venom I actually disagree with you that shuttles couldn't be used with the other versions such as the weapons pod. Looking at the model there's room for a straight flight and hard port or starboard turn launch it may take a few seconds longer but shuttles would still be useful from the main bay.

[@manofcultura]

The funny thing about the naming convention is how galaxies used to be confused with nebulae. But galaxies are much much bigger.

[@-randychasechase2660]

I wish they would show ,some of the upgrades of later built ones . That might have had smaller newer. Warp cores like in each section. Plus a small core like Defiants to power a cannon . Like the galaxy upgrade