SHOCKING ISSUES with the AWD 2nd Gen Syclone build

[@LawrenceTolman]

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[@turboflush]

I vouch for Factor. Save money. Tastes good. Handy since it is already in the fridge. Tried a couple others and had portion or taste problems.

[@funfun8095]

Tony Angelo, did same thing, already. Sike Clone. Seems like people just copy other people's ideas. He then did a LS swap in a Porsche, that Joe Simpson already did. I guess imitation is the best means of flattery.

[@madkidd00000007]

The front air damn you can get online for $300, take a couple special brackets where it wraps around the bumper which I have, the side skirts have a bracket they lip into that runs the length of the body, blazer vs reg cab vs extended the only difference is length and they rivet to the rocker panel. Which I have a few sets of brackets and skirts. The rear bed between the bumper and flares are the really hard to come by pieces, which I also have.

[@punisher7895]

2000 envoy front bumper will give a sporty look it has spots for fog lights it's one of the best looking Oem bumpers IMO

[@ruckus7554]

After owning a few Camaros (69 SS396/ 96 Z28), 65 Malibu, 78 Nova, and now a 04 SS Silverado, I am atill pleased that I can go pull parts from a wide range of years and still have something work. Keep up your great commentary and attention to detail. Some of us love a COPO look.

[@jefferyrader5153]

Look into the zq8 steering box, it has a quicker ratio!

[@jamesvasser2941]

Street scene used to have a decent kit (man it’s been forever) back in the day, but I don’t know if they’re still around. Fwiw; I had a 97’ ext cab that had an anti wheel hop shock that mounted off the right side of the frame rail in front of the rear axle. I think (not certain) that the ZQ8 trucks had this, mine wasn’t a ZQ8 but had some sort of trailering pkg. So, if you’re not into dropping the coin for a set of cal trac bars prior to 4 linking it, you might go for another junkyard crawl and try to find one of those to combat the wheel hop. I’ve been super nostalgic as of late and I’m really diggin the direction this build is going. You’ve got me thinking about all the stupid, low buck stuff we did to my truck back in the day to get it low but still keep it drivable.

[@dumbestoyster]

ZR2 fender flairs would look cool

[@mikefew4232]

L.T. Since it is a cyclone tribute you should do the 2000 envoy headlights, grill, bumper. Envoys Fenders had slight flares and bumper was designed to line up with the flares. Run the exteme fender flares, no body kit, envoy bumper, grill, headlights. Should all line up and look OEM. I love making vehicle that look original but were never actually made by manufacturer. I know alot about 1st gen envoys if you have question just ask. Look at the Hot wheels gmc blue s10 built by Steve Platt to give you an idea of what it looks like.

[@teaguegearhart9851]

I like the full kit. But you always make great calls on what looks cleaner. Great segment today

[@garybaumberger8631]

Back in 1995 when the vortec V-6 came out, (not the throttle body) if you got a 5 speed S-10 it came with a factory traction bar. It mounted on the top of the axle, (passenger side)and went forward to the frame, that might help with the wheel hop.

[@manworksgarage]

Ss wheels are 17x9.5. 94 Zr1 are 9.5 f. 11 rear., grand sports are 9.5/11, except the convertibles. but they had 285/40 on the rear..

[@Levibetz]

You say that the bigger front sway bar will be stiffer, but if you run those blazer control arms you'll move the pivots in, changing the motion ratio. So you'll end up with a bigger sway bar, but not necessarily a stiffer sway bar. What might be a better idea is to cut that bar in half and widen it to fit the S10 arms.

[@turboflush]

Looked to me the arms just wouldn't reach.. cut off the welds on the ends extend and reweld. ??

[@Levibetz]

@@turboflushI think cut it right in the middle and put a sleeve over it to widen it. Now that said, I wrote this before he pointed out the tire clearance issue.

[@bdd1469]

​@Levibetz You can't weld a sleeve on a sway bar and expect it to work anything like it was designed to. Not only is the heat from a welder going to destroy the heat treating, a sleeve of different diameter and different material is going to change the characteristics completely.

[@WalterPidgeonsForge]

@@bdd1469^^^^^ this is correct.. the modulus of the steel will be changed .. possibly catastrophically .

[@cbucha]

​@bdd1469 is correct.welding and/or adding material to a sway bar or any torsion bar in general is not the way to go.if anything just reweld the mounts.

[@transmissionman9377]

I have a 98 s-10 with a ZQ8 package I bought new, I love the truck but the 4.3 needs to go. I know what you mean about how the v6 sounds. I think the extreme cladding won't look good, stick with what you have and lower the truck an inch or so to make it look right.

[@hendersonhow2andreview17]

I know a guy locally here where I live that has 2 original cyclones and 2 typhoons. Pretty awesome considering when they were built. Way ahead of their time

[@hotflashfoto]

I think another inch or so lower to bring the natural lines down to meet the tires would be better than slapping on more trim and then having to figure out how to make that look right. And we all know you're gonna make it look like it belongs, so there's that episode or two to look forward to if you do that. But lowering it just that extra bit now while you're still in the designing and deciding phases will let you see it the way you want it to be without adding more cost to the project. If you have to tip the axle a bit to get the pinion angle just right, you can do that for now with a wedge until you design your 4-link and then reposition it permanently at that time. Just don't keep digging rabbit holes, only to have to fill them in later on.

[@2015_Rubicnn]

I love it when a plan comes together.

[@theMick52]

Mystic beige metallic, not my favorite color, but when its clean it isn't all that bad! Back in the day I had a 99 S10 with the ZQ8 sports suspension package and the nice SS wheels. I really miss that lil truck! If it only had a LSD it would've been perfect!

[@WalterPidgeonsForge]

ZR2 vs Standard 4x4.. the wider frame on a ZR2 means the sway bar length is different.. as is the Xtreme ZQ8 suspension.. the distance from the frame attachment to the control arm is also a big factor in addition to the sway bar diameter.. in theory if you move the frame mounts as far outboard as possible this will be similar to a thicker bar.

[@fispallc3360]

this is what i was thinking. Moving it in will cause a higher load angle on the link so even though its a thicker bar he might not see any more anti roll effect.

[@SEO122]

You need to grab more of the S-10 ZQ8 package bits, to include the rear differential hop shock w/bracket, rear frame cross bar stiffener, front and rear sway bars, and quick ratio steering gear box. It will handle and steer 1000% better, which is important since you're putting AWD V-8 power to the ground. (What I did to my 2001 S-10, but used C3 Corvette wheels)

[@mattiasandersson5673]

Nice build! Try and use RVS in the rear axle. Works great every time. I have used it in many engines and axles for over 10 years. Please keep the sleeper look and build a turbo smallblock. Hard to beat that smallblock turbo sound!🙂🙂

[@joevk6274]

I had a 92 Sonoma 2wd with the TBI 4.3. According to the RPO codes, it also had a sport suspension package. Which apparently consisted of seriously stiff front coils and rear leafs, because if I jumped on the bumper like you did, it didn't move. On either end. I did more than my fair share of burnouts in that thing, and never experienced wheel hop.

[@twinchrome3258]

Weren't some equipped with a anti-hop shock? My 2003 sonoma zq8 has one. Might be why!

[@joevk6274]

@@twinchrome3258 The second gens with the ZQ8 and/or the 4.3L and a manual trans had the anti-hop shock, yes. But it wasn't an option on first gens.

[@twinchrome3258]

@joevk6274 Mines got the 4l60e and has it. Didn't know that, cool though. I'll be upgrading suspension come spring, throwing a turbo on the 4.3 :)

[@joevk6274]

@@twinchrome3258 Pretty sure the 94-95 S10 SS had the shock too, regardless of whether or not it was a manual or auto.

[@Sparkystacoma]

I had a 92 dakota extra cab dropped 4/6. I ran 255/50/17 and 275/40/17 on Dakota rt rims. Great fit

[@talontsi92]

I would definitely go with the full xtreme body kit to make it lower!

[@calvincrews3885]

I miss watching you on what ever show you started keep up the great work

[@shyecjj]

Following your video *closely* , have a project going on almost exactly like you however I am going to use a true ZR2,3:73 gears ,cast iron front end, limited slip diff rear,TR4050 mated to the borg warner out of the caddy /yukon/suburban version that does not have the viscous coupler so 100% to both. Haven't decided on engine.

[@tyler12ddm]

Might look around for a fiberglass starboards kit. It's what my S10 has, I think they were usually a dealer installed deal, very unassuming "Paw paw" truck vibes... I'd be curious what those xtreme flares would look like on the same kit I've got. You're doing a project I've sort of dreamed of for my truck since I got it, so definitely share with us the things you'd change after you get along in it because right now I like the direction you're headed and plan on pulling the trigger and following along on my own truck.

[@charleswideman9353]

If memory serves, the ZR2s had completely different front ends. The suspension was setup to run 31s from the factory the control arms mounted differently which might be why the sway bar is a different length.

[@davidtappe5337]

Been a fan since your tv days. Good job. Please upgrade the brakes soon. They look a little crusty. Iroc Z rims would look good.

[@edf5967]

Around 1998, there was a minor update to the front suspension of the 2wd Blazers that didn't apply to the S10. Prior to '98, they were the same. I believe the 4wd chassis changed as well, but I don't know for sure.

[@jaredhuang2225]

The rims look great, wheel wells are just huge. Keep it up.

[@AndyR1982]

Keep in mind weight differences in the the 4.3(425ish) and a POTENTIAL LS ( 500ish) swap. Then a 4l80( add 40ish pounds) after the 60e dies. And you may get another inch of drop in the nose. And yes, the S series suffers ridiculous axle hop.

[@shadymaint1]

Love the new build. I'm in the middle of 5.3/4l60e swapping my 94 s10. I swapped in a 8.5 rear end out of a 02 4.3 5 speed s10. It's got a 3.08 gear bit it should work for what I'm doing.

[@aliciaANDanthonySandoval]

I got a 98 single cab Sonoma 4x4 that I've been wanting to awd for the longest time. I live here in Springs and have been a big fan since red tide. Maybe one day, when I get mine finished, we can race single cab awd vs. extended cab awd. Anyway, great video like always.

[@garywinkel1831]

Excellent, LT. Anxiously waiting for the next installment!

[@wademan58]

I’m not sure if it’s the same on the newer ones but on the older square ones the 4x4 s10s have a factory 2 inch body lift built in. The body mounts are actually 2” lower on the cab, and bed. Not sure about the core support tho.

[@stefeninspringfield]

Give you one pointer on your tire machine you need to switch the lines inside so it doesn't do the air off and on thing there are two hoses you can switch that will give you constant full pressure. Helps a lot on the stretching and low profile stuff.

[@manworksgarage]

I run 275 on mine. The tacoma x runner had a big x brace in frame for handling. I'd like to try that on mine

[@BenM-u7q]

The Hellwig Traction control springs part # 2002 ... this is what will help eliminate your wheel hop issues .... It took care of my wheel hop in my blazer.

[@garymeadows1771]

Excellent presentation.

[@TheSlowNoma]

I love this project! Can't wait to see more. Congrats on the shop also.

[@joecameron3406]

Definitely going to be following along.

[@onewheelup]

hey bro,a few yrs back i was looking for a blazer to do my super charged 6.0 swap and i wanted a blazer extreme aww man they look so good,but i wanted a manual which was super hard to find,so i did a nationa wide search on google and dude i saw a few that i guess were in places that snow or something up north,they had pics of one of them with the side ground effect off and it was solid rust,so i was like screw that noise,grit and sand and salt gets stuck in there and rust's so i got a 05 reg.blazer 5 speed put a t56 6 speed with a cammed 6.0 all by myself in my garage and then saved up and got a torquestorm supercharger and had my friend hp mobile tune it a few times its a blast,i do have some 430 gears in the garage we were debating on right now its got 373's if i go with 430's its going to be a beast i have a ls3 intake so we maxed out the ls3 injectors then he pulsated them a tad playing around i think,not sure but its got 640 torque to tires with me shifting early at 5100 rpms haha i could always do gears,bigger injectors even swap pulley but i dont wanna start breaking stuff,im tired of working on trucks,im hurting haha great video's love the orange truck wish it was a 6.0 or 6.2 later

[@ryanc7486]

Full body kit. They're sharp little trucks.

[@rotaxtwin]

I'm with you, those Extremes look a little over the top. The Scyclone body kits were much more tasteful but I guess from a different time.

[@thehoule70]

Starting to look good 👍🏼

[@permafrost2064]

A few weeks back, I stole the spindles off of a 2WD Blazer so I can do a C5 brake swap on my 86 Monte Carlo. There were a few Xtremes in the two junkyards I went to. I would check some local yards that have their vehicles listed online and just keep an eye on out for new arrivals. I live in MI, so it might be different up here.

[@kevinengland4042]

1. Ive been tellling the s10 community that same thing about the sy/ty cladding for over 2 decades now, and the internet will still argue with you. 2. Contrary to GM's parts bin history, there are a lot of little changes between the 1st gen/2nd gen, and the pick-ups/blazers. 3. Going awd will help the tire hop some, but i have seen these trucks do an awd launch with tire hop and be 100% off the ground. Since your focus is handling, avoid the desire to put caltracs on it. For that matter, avoid the 4 link too....there are better options!

[@justinpollard1533]

Look at jimmy cladding it goes on the doors it'll have to be modified but I've always thought about using them on my single cab

[@billballin6948]

The 2wd front bars are not easily interchangeable with 4wd front anti roll bars. It’d be easiest to just get the thickest oem 4wd front option and leave it at that, which I believe is the same thickness anyways at 32mm.

[@hondofourfivetwo9347]

I know it’s not exactly apples to apples but when I had my 2WD S10 with a 2/3 drop I ran a 275/50R17 square (27.8 inches) and it was the perfect look on a 17x8 (oddly I had the SLP ZR1 styled wheels for the 2WD s10’s/ 3rd gen Camaro so literally this same look 😂) it did rub pretty bad up front but I was a 2WD so 🤷‍♂️ I eventually ended up with a 235/55R17 all round (I know you want wider just mentioning it and remember I was a 2WD)

[@thechappie]

Something to consider for the front end, swap to a GMC Envoy bumper and grill… and lights… I know you just moved back to factory front end but the number will, IMO, match the portions of the fender flares with out the need to do the Xtreme side skirts. just an idea.

[@rpturbo]

Except those have gotten extremely hard to find, and are pretty expensive. Last envoy cover I had I sold for $500, probably 5-6 years ago. The actual HID headlights are non-existent now.

[@JimFlanagan4206]

Paint it gloss black with the Xtreme body kit in matte black and red Chevy emblems. More in line with the Syclone.

[@simbanugz2906]

Heavy shock redline gear oil is awesome. It quiets about every diff I ever used it in. I have 355 gears in my 12 mustang that have always made noise. Redline heavy shock completely quieted it. I would give it a try before changing gears

[@LawrenceTolman]

That’s a good tip, I’ll have to try it out!

[@jimmyjones8311]

When I worked for NTB many years ago, we would hold the tire up on outer bead and cheetah on the bottom bead. Rarely did we have to blast it more than once.

[@bryanomicioli3301]

syclone guys typically run a 1” block in the rear and bring the front end down to match, 1” lower would make the truck look a lot cleaner

[@derkaferkrue238]

Looking great dude!

[@frightenedskillet1051]

You can quiet down the axles if you just install some thicker gear covers and all a tiny bit of insulation

[@c0c0asauce]

Even as a kid seeing them in showrooms I thought the Xtreme S10 and Blazer were a little corny. The scyclone bodywork creates the effect of looking lower and wider around the wheels arches but not as much under the doors or the center of the front bumper. It breaks up the lines along the bottom of the truck and avoids the tacked on skirt look that a lot of homemade bodykits suffered from back in the day. For this build I would clone the look of 2002 Silverado SS bodywork. That truck looked damn good. The 1998-2003 GMC Sonoma bumper would be a good base to modify. I truly think this project needs bespoke bodywork. If you use the Xtreme bodykit its just going to look like a modded Xtreme instead of the scyclone that never was.

[@christopherlydon-sr1gu]

Well the extreme s10 and blazer weren't fast. My brother had an extreme. It had a 4 cylinder in it. The idea is, it's easy to convert it to a ls engine. Then you got yourself a truck

[@c0c0asauce]

@@christopherlydon-sr1gu I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me. I'm purely talking about cosmetics. This build is following the style of the syclone so the body kit should be fairly sedate and functional. The Xtreme looks dated and not in a good way. It just doesn't match the build.

[@christopherlydon-sr1gu]

@c0c0asauce I'm saying not only did it not really look good, it wasn't fast. I'm saying cuz I own a typhoon and people always compare them to typhoons and syclones and they aren't even close.

[@c0c0asauce]

@@christopherlydon-sr1gu Oh yea, then we are totally in agreement. Happy 4th.

[@christopherlydon-sr1gu]

@@c0c0asauce you as well brother

[@rippin69a]

you will want the lower valance on the bumper the flares will not look right i did it on a 1995 s10 pickup and pick the gmc head light on it

[@tuckerlove9320]

C5 706 wheels would look killer on it🤘🏻

[@navigatingthedestination]

Did You watch STAY TUNED with Tony Angelo. He built a down and dirty syclone. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery👍love the 2ND GEN S10 Good choice.

[@johncramm9702]

2001 blazer and up. Ran into same issue

[@eighty6gt]

I'd go form over function, big sticky boots and no body kit. Science out the lowering - it's only 1/2"-1" additional. I think the driveline angles would be fine - maybe some issues with control arm angles but if you lower it with spindles I can't even see that happening.

[@TacoCatMafia]

the reason people are saying the rims are from a late 90's Camaro ss z28 is because the center caps have the chevy logo where's the corvette ones have the corvette logo though the cap are interchangeable and the rims themselves are identical (I have the same rims on my Blazer Xtreme and have done a far bit of research on them)

[@Nanan00]

I ran C4 Corvette salad shooter wheels on my S10, paid $200 for them with a fairly good set of tires on them in 1998.

[@raystevens687]

So LT remember the parking lots with there big speed bumps when you lower your vehicle you risk leaving half of your under Carriage. I think your truck looks good the way it is now.

[@Minitrucks_and_motorcycles]

It’s really not that low. He won’t scrape on anything if he goes an inch lower.

[@oscargonzalez3783]

He won't scrape or high center I have a lower s10 I scrape a lot but never higher center

[@dusterdude225]

Looks like a 2wd s10 now can’t even tell it was a 4x4 great job👍

[@curtissmith5924]

I’m loving this build!

[@thejunkshop5022]

The syclone builds have been extremely popular lately but I haven't seen many 2nd gen versions or typhoon 2nd gen

[@shyecjj]

Im doing one now using a ZR2 blazer ,standard TR4050 with all the same good stuff except using the 100% borg warner *heavy duty *transfer case.

[@thejunkshop5022]

@@shyecjj sounds awesome would like to see the finished product video on that one day

[@ItsDaJax]

Second gen s-series are ugly is why.

[@brianbailey5720]

Have you checked out the Sike clone Stay Tuned built and is upgrading? I'm sure the way Tony does stuff would give you an anxiety attack but if you can look past his building style and Philly accent it's a cool truck and fast.

[@jameshall4385]

Chevy also made a mid 90's s10 hugger. It is very rare bug you might be able to find body parts ethat as well. It looked like the xtreme

[@monsterram6617]

I'd go full extreme body kit. Looks nice and factory.

[@darrenmobley6000]

Too freaking cool. I’m now looking for a s10 for bc my one year old is going to be driving soon and we need something for him to do awd burnouts in

[@P-J-W-777]

To be a cyclone it needs to have a body kit like the cyclone. Yours would look really nice with a bed like the red and white S10’s you showed.

[@JohnBoyBuilds]

Yep I'm "picking up" what you and Tony Angelo Are putting down. Sike clone vs this . The not a syclone but it's a syclone race 😂😂❤❤❤

[@dgc940]

listen my s10 blazer just drove wierd on hiway was ok in town and when I say everything has been rebuilt I mean everything. let go of wheel it went straight but when steering it just was unstable feeling. I did finaly figure it out! the upper steering shaft joint was loose and busted boot. Had to drop column but replacing it and was night and day! This was after new rag joint and steering box.

[@LawrenceTolman]

That’s a good pointer, I’m gonna check mine for sure.

[@brandonwomack7474]

wheel hop remover kit is a Hellwig helper leaf spring. i had the disease bad, then it got cured

[@donaldonleyjr.1582]

So i have the same rims on my 99 camaro, with 275 40 17 and they are stock. They were part of the SS package and are listed on the windowbsticker as "zr1 style wheels" that might be why people are saying they are camaro wheels. Either way looks good and cant wait to watch the progress.

[@lb9gta307]

That and the Camaro came with the Bowtie center caps that are on these wheels while Corvettes all had Corvette flag logo center caps

[@mcfero1]

@@lb9gta307100%. Camaro ss had the bow tie and corvette had the flags. No one would switch those out, but most guys know how it is, saying corvette motor or whatever when it really isn’t.

[@GR1MRACER]

Wings West made a body kit for the chevy blazer and S10. if you want to live out your NFS UG dreams.

[@tateswanson1803]

Man those wheels look good

[@leftcoastdrifter]

IMO the sidewall size of the tire is good. The fenders just need to be closer to make them really look like they fill up the gap. I've played with a bunch of tire sizes on my Ranger for this same reason. I want a meaty tire but not a balloon or a rubber band for a sidewall, lol.

[@JWFX4]

That thing needs to be quite a bit lower. Standard cab would be cool as well, I get the extended cab, but I would think it was cooler as a standard cab

[@Low760]

But only short people fit in single cabs.

[@rockdem0n]

I think at the point of what you want with integration into the body it might be worth it to look into making your own body kit as I have seen a few others do, B is for Build comes to mind first, so you can blend it in better. If nothing else if you look at it and it seems like it's more effort than it's worth for what you are going for that's understandable, it's a lot of work for a mostly factory look vs something clearly over the top and fully custom, at least you you evaluated your options but it's another option to consider.

[@ianwalsh3868]

One of the best build channels on KZbin! Vortec 4200?

[@ninoreeves7702]

outstanding JT

[@1979royalknight]

The bar you are wanting to put on looks bent @9:26.

[@djstizl]

The truck will probably look "wrong" without the rest of the kit. I'd use the entire kit for a nice cohesive look, but just omit all "Extreme" badging/branding from your build. Also, could you please put a vehicle on a set of Enkei or Konig or something aftermarket? Please?

[@donaldgavigan9376]

Try umi performance. They make full suspension kits.

[@Tac_3403]

an inch lower and 285mm tire will look very nice on this. Excited to see how some of the s10 xtreme stuff looks on it, and where this build goes as a whole!

[@myz06rocks]

rather than bolting more parts onto it, I've never like the trough or groove that seems to join both the front and rear existing flares. I might be inclined to just get rid of that completely and see how that transforms the look of the truck. With that being there, it already gives the look of having a body kit on it.

[@jordanvanderpool5503]

Well since it’s going to be a newer “cyclone” it has to have a lv3 v6 and of course with a turbo. It wouldn’t be a cyclone if it had a LS/LT

[@lamarw9901]

Camaros were 17x9 Corvettes17x8.5, 17x9.5, or 17x11 depending on suspension options.

[@jimmywhitlow2012]

The sway bar for the all wheel astro van may work

[@141runn]

275/40/17 will work all the way around, and you may have been alright with the 3.42 gears with that height

[@snakeskinproductions7500]

I get what you mean with the Extreme. I love the way they look (ok job from the factory) but there was always something about it that didn't sit right. You gave me that "ah-ha" moment. Now I see it. Thanks, can't wait to see how this turns out...🤓

[@lilypondgarage2968]

When did you start a shop and is this full time?

[@killerbro2709]

What did you do to stop the squeaking in the beginning of the video my 03 Sonoma does the same thing and it’s making my head spin around in circles

[@gavinoluna7071]

I built a Factor 75 food processing warehouse here in AZ

[@brianhernandez589]

If I'm not mistaken, the 4X4 ball joints are larger diameter than 4X2.

[@bermanss350]

I would like to see someone build a pull bar for a leaf spring rearend to fix wheel hop maybe you could try it

[@MtnDew-tm5uk]

ZR2 and non ZR2 4x4 Blazers and S10s have different lower control arms. That is why the sway bar mount is in the wrong place. That sway bar came off a ZR2.