Shooting the M 1867/77 Werndl rifle Part I

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In this part I present you the historical background and the most important technical parameters of the M 1867/77 Wernld rifle and cartridges.
Magyar szöveg: www.kapszli.hu/hu/news/242

[@louisoertly5621]

My Great Grandfather was a Jager in the Bohemian Army and when he was deployed to Bosnia-Herzegovina This would have been the rifle he was issued. Thanks for a very informative and well done video.

[@billware6721]

As an American I was exposed to Military Arms history in the context of the US. In particular the US Civil War. The only arms manufacturers from Europe being Whitworth, LaMat, and a scattering of others. I love the wealth of information found on this channel. Huge respect and gratitude to you sir! Please keep it up.

[@rossanofabro]

Thank you for these great historical guns and information you provide. Great work

[@mtslyh]

Very interesting history on a wonderful old rifle. I love your style! Can't wait for part 2!

[@lockbuilder]

Excellent video as always! Thank you for all the time and energy you put into your productions. Wonderful production value!

[@jimmyggh1]

Excellent as always Robert! Cant wait for part 2!

[@7come11two]

Interesting is an understatement. I love the action design of this rifle. Mr. Werndl must have been a genius on the order of John Browning, John C. Garand, Peter Mauser and Ole Herman Krag.

[@capandball]

Yes, they are all in the same class!

[@hoodoo2001]

An excellent presentation for an unusual rifle. Thank you!

[@hayesstephen8447]

Brother your video just keep getting better and better!!!! Thank You so very much!!!

[@mlshooter1870]

Beautifully done video - congratulations!

[@newphillysports]

Balázs, anxiously awaiting part 2!

[@miroslawobstawski8137]

It's also part of my contry history, Poles served in Austro - Hungarian army.

[@theKGB65]

Great production work on an interesting rifle video!

[@mateehu7783]

Magyar az előadó, és mégsem hallgathatom magyarul ezt az érdekes előadást! :)

[@P-40Warhawk]

Sweet sweet! Excited to see this piece of history sling some lead! Thanks for sharing!

[@robertgarner42]

Thank you for introducing me to this rifle, well done. robert

[@codyshi4743]

Which is faster this rifle or the Springfield trapdoor?

[@petergosden1]

Good day, Capandball. Thank you for your video. I have the Werndl and enjoy shooting it (and its successor, the Mannlicher in the same calibre). I recall reading, some time back, that the original cartridge for the Werndl was the brass foil-wrapped design similar to the familiar British Snider and Martini-Henry. Later changed to drawn brass. Unfortunately I did not make a note of the source. Would you have any information on a foil-wrapped cartridge? And, if there was one, whether the change to drawn brass occurred with the migration to the Mannlicher or earlier? Thank you for your time, Peter.

[@Toggle012]

Nice touch with the yellow bore light

[@mickeypeoples9361]

awesome vid bro thanks

[@BENNYBIGGUN]

great video

[@MrDeathd]

Excellent , just read an article on this rifle last night in the shotgun news

[@skswig1]

I really like your vids

[@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike]

I just acquired one that was made in 1870. It was put away and forgotten about for over 50 years. How do you get the drum lock out of the receiver? It needs a good cleaning.

[@gph9674]

I am sharing your channel. Good stuff. Thank you.

[@paradisdescieux]

nice vidéo and nice gun!

[@nicholasdiaz724]

This rifle was used in WWI. I believe it was in service for Austria-Hungary armies. It was an Empire at that time period. The Empire dissolved and fell apart after that war.

[@alannguyen2221]

Does this rifle automatically ejects? Like if you open it quick will the case just shoot out?

[@jeromezp]

1:59 this image's text is italian where did you get it?

[@darkeagle553]

Nice video !

[@kiekert2007]

great episode..

[@festungmittlewesten3108]

See, this is why I've always had a soft spot for Hungarians. You guys are so kick ass.

[@dtrajkovic7429]

Kick ass??? Lost WW1 end WW2

[@611_hornet5]

Very nice, I have never heard of this one, but that is a nice rifle. The breech system reminds me just a tiny bit of the Snider rifle.

[@DoughboyJonesmk2]

Not to sound naggy or anything but is part 2 ever going to happen?

[@bmedlin00]

+DoughboyJonesmk2 ya I was wondering that also.. spent the last hour trying to find a part 2

[@Lechiffre100]

DoughboyJonesmk2 no

[@gregdaweson4657]

never

[@mihaidina6352]

Amazing gun !

[@lmomechtech7709]

Great job of getting the history of the rifle and some of your Hungary out to the viewer! It looks to be a well made rifle and I can only wish we would be able to i,port such a weapon. As usual, our government is trying to 'take care of us' and are doing a poor job of letting our freedoms stand. Thanks for your video!

[@MontagueMile]

Well done, well researched and well delivered. Consider me a subscriber looking forward to more videos.

[@jeffshootsstuff]

It's sad that leaders only learn their lessons by thousands of men dying. Very interesting video and fascinating rifle. thanks!

[@simonk7107]

This is a great video! I just bought a WERNDL JAEGER RIFLE 11x42mm out of respect to my wife who is Hungarian, I am looking for new or old/original ammo for my new rifle, can you help? Also is it worth refinishing this rifle or will that reduce the collectable value? Thanks again for your video and help!

[@cetuspa]

Love to get my hands on one of those.

[@rifleman17hmrshooter]

Still editing pt2? We gotta see how she performs!

[@dominic0147]

rifleman seriously wtf

[@pommel47]

I found a reference to a early Gasser revolver that shot an 11mm round intially developed for the Werndl carbine. It was a large revolver, but did NOT have a detachable shoulder stock. If you can find one, perhaps you could do a video on this interesting weapon and manufacturer?

[@wrtltable]

It's funny how the concept of small caliber has changed from century to century. Every century the small caliber became half its size.

[@carydagnese5484]

I had one of these. Great to shoot!

[@jasonz7788]

Awesome thanks 👍

[@hockeywarrior]

Do want part 2!!!

[@googlepissoff5776]

These seem to be very hard to find here in the US, how common are they over in Hungary?

[@BerndThomasSchuller]

"Hinterladungsgewehrkommission" is such a great word ;) Greetings to Hungary!

[@Riazor1370]

How is it compare to its close rival, the '71 Mauser? And I think that days, The Turkish has also had some Remington rolling blocks/

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

During the war against the Danish the Habsburgs must have seen the Prussians using their Dreyse Needle rifles. They should have known its superiority against their Lorenz rifles

[@Metaldude1945]

What weapon did Austria use after 1877 then?

[@GeFlixes]

6:02 Beatiful picture.

[@25gwolfable]

Thank you for showing your video I like it that is a cool rifle I have never seen a rifle like that I used to think the Sharps rifle was a pretty good rifle until now now it's just a toss-up which is better than Twitter or yours again thanks for showing that video

[@D10pete]

When are you going to post part two on the Werndl? Just as a comment,you have the most interesting weapons posts on KZbin!! And you actually have the most relaxing manner for the viewer!

[@capandball]

Thanks Milton, I already made some experiments with the cartridge, but I could not reproduce the original ballistics and accuracy according to the manuals. So this project will take some more time...

[@D10pete]

Thank you! Waiting is no problem!

[@MrLoobu]

Milton Dye I prefer Forgotten Weapons but this guy does well with more common arms.

[@davidcuriosoporlaverdad801]

uy bueno,me ha gustado,no entiendo micho el inglés,pero lo he entendido,seguid así,es unsuy buena manera de difundir las armas antiguas

[@cuncun7576]

I want to know the rifle of ducth company in the 1828???

[@jimmyggh1]

Whens part 2!

[@capandball]

Jim, it is already filmed, but I need some time for the editing.

[@passioni74]

Dove posso comprare le cartucce ?!?!

[@rogermarsh9632]

So when are we going to see a Pedersoli repro chambered in 45-70, and maybe a lighter version in 38-55? They would be fun rifles.

[@Belgian_Boi]

what measurement is the faces? is 1 face 1meter?

[@Belgian_Boi]

***** aah ok, haha now everything falls a bit in place, thx for your answer

[@svenleurge2985]

Great video on a very interesting rifle! I've already watched the teaser dozend times and now I can't wait to see part 2. Wonder if you hit anything beside the metallic silhouette- how is the precision of the rifle? 10 years earlier the gun could have changed the Austrian history or at least proof its quality. So it "only" protected a 40-year period of peace.

[@MikeyGnz]

Would love to see more. Is there a part 2.

[@capandball]

Mike, I am working on it! Saty tuned!

[@MikeyGnz]

***** koszonom

[@gondolaservicepeschieradel4115]

i just buy two of werndl, one without the striker. i order the brass, and i'm very very curious to shot that, grazie

[@Procket12]

Yeah with some of these old military arms, you need a mechanical tension gauge that can measure higher than 16 lbs.

[@leneanderthalien]

Looks a bit like the french "Tabatière" rifle , in 1866 cartige converted Minié Rifles in same time the launch from the 1866 Chassepot Rifles who fire combustible paper cartiges (breach load)

[@geraldosilvasilva9267]

Tenho uma desta qual o valor

[@user-pv8rq7vu7v]

设计的很精巧，虽然是前装改后装！

[@humbertorodriguesdeabreu2122]

Muito linda sou apaixonado por armas antigas.

[@DeimosPC]

I would love to get my hands on one of these but the prices over here in the states are crazy and ammo is non-existent.

[@PauloSergio-vp5eu]

Ele e lindo

[@pommel47]

Could you also do a video like this on the Peabody Rifle? It was made by Providence Tool, USA but like the Remington Rolling Block, most contract sales were from countries outside the USA.

[@capandball]

Peabody rifle is something I don't have here in Hungary... But maybe sometime in the future... Sorry.

[@pommel47]

***** Thanks for getting back to me. Always enjoy your videos.

[@MrStrojmir]

The breech of rifle designed czech designer Karel Holub , but Josef Werndl later bought out all the rights, and the weapon was carrying only his name. The original name was Werndl-Holub´sches Hinterladungs-Gewehr.

[@user-ev2rv5oq5o]

Индейцы в Америке такие винтовки ценили.за хороший бой.я Володя У.

[@wanimajugaming9777]

Having to lost 10.000 troops just to plan to make this gun. That's soldiering.

[@suesswarendieb]

1:40 .:Actually,the ,,Zündnadelgewehr´´ was capable of more,than 12/13 rounds per minute..But in Battle,the reloading is slower at anytime,especially,because the soldiers fought in solid formations,so 12 rounds are realistic..Can you also speak german,or does the pronounciation of the german names just sound,as you could? ;)

[@capandball]

Hi, I only read German, but can't speak unfortunately, just the very basics. :) According to the regulations there were two ways to fire the rifle: normal method with taking proper aim and "Schnellfeuer" for shooting at closed battle formations as fast as possible.

[@suesswarendieb]

***** Am i right,that there were also different types of ammunition,so the Copper cartridges,where the cases were thrown out after pulling back the bolt, and one,which used paper carttridges? ..I'm quite sure,that this was one of the first rifles,which used ,,modernized´´ cartridge cases..

[@juanjosefreijedo774]

Are you austrian or hungarian?

[@boroslevente1204]

juan josé Freijedo he is Hungarian

[@MrCameronian]

You say the Dreyse was capable of 12 RPM, but in your own later video on Koniggratz, you demo a rate of fire of 4RPM; 12 RPM seems excessive, would you care to comment. My question is posed in a genuine spirit of enquiry, I am a great fan of your site and your excellent coverage of my favourite period in history, 1866.

[@capandball]

Hi, there were different firing modes for the prussian infantry. The one you see in the Königgrätz video is the general shooting speed. An important part of the tactics was the change to Schnellfeuer, the fastest loading and shooting method possible. This was used when the Austrians approached the skirmish line within 150 paces. At this time all the support and reserve rushed into the skirmish line, and immediately started firing at the enemy with the greatest speed, reducing the time allocated to aiming to the minimum.

[@capandball]

Also the rifle I use in the video is an unaltered M1841. The M62 version were a bit more advanced fitted with a rubber seal by Beck. According to the original documents this did speed up the loading. I still have to verify it later. I am planning to make a comparison of the Dreyse and the Chassepot by the time of the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71

[@MrCameronian]

Many thanks for your reply, I look forward to your future videos, please look at my other reply also. Best wishes.

[@capandball]

Dear Sir, please ask more questions. That's what why we are all here for. :) The 1866 campaign is a key part of my PhD research as well. I am researching the participation of Hungarian units in the fighting at Trautenau. Regarding your question: I have not found any reliable source supporting the rearmament of the 1st LCD. In fact I strongly believe that such thing would be impossible in the k. k. army. Rearming a complete cavalry division is not just changing the arms but also establishing a logistic background for the supply of ammo, firearms part, repair services, etc... A complete cav. division is 6 cav. regiments in 3 brigades... that's a huge number of soldiers. The "division" was used for 2 different units in the k.k. army. It was used for the large combined arms groups mentioned before and for pairs of companies or cavalry squadrons as well. These pairs were the basic tactical units of the army by those days. I can imagine that one "company pair" division could be armed with experimental weapons. It was a common way to field test new arms, but I cannot imagine rearming a combined army unit. I will try to get some info where this myth comes from.

[@MrCameronian]

I think he is confused, either he's got the wrong war and mixed up Lichtenstein (who used his personal fortune to modernise the Theresien artillery in the SYW) or - more likely - mistook the ECG which was issued preferentially to 1st Div (Edelsheim) as opposed to the limited introduction in 2nd Div (Thurn). Trautenau, a fascinating battle, have you met Vlasimil Grof yet, regional archeologist, 1866 expert and curator of the Johannesburg Chapel museum ? What you are to small arms, he is to KK artillery and rockets, really interesting chap.

[@isellcatlitter]

1000 meters is quite an optimistic range even in today's modern smokeless powder, with an average shooter, they must have been visiting those opium dens very frequently when they dreamed up that.

[@HaraldSjellose]

isellcatlitter it isn't actually. at those ranges, the goal was to keep the bullet lethal, instead of providing accurate shots. they were using the rifles like bows and arrows, for spraying bullets over the enemy at long ranges. and the cartridges rifles used were pretty suitable for that. they could reach even farther than 1000 metres.

[@trilogoful]

Tudtam, hogy magyar vagy :DD az akcentusról.

[@putrarahwana3657]

woow

[@omicronlyrei3936]

xD i love how all the americans and ppl from all over the world keep thinking and talking about all the early german inventions

[@PauloSergio-vp5eu]

Preciso de um coixa de munição. Quem tem para vende para um amigo

[@be3993]

They would have needed this rifle already 1866 in Königsgrätz.....KuK was sleeping...

[@tibortivadar6525]

Van egy ilyen puskacsövem,rozsdás,törött.

[@shinoobsoman9269]

ഉഗ്രൻ...👌👌 ഒന്ന് വെടിവയ്ക്കാമായിരുന്നു..🤔

[@thomasr.6744]

bist du österreicher ich nämlich auch

[@a.schmid2486]

Thomas R. Glaub nicht! Er ist Ungar!

[@j.ongman5512]

Hungarians are cool

[@user-td8iu8jz7f]

Люблю 19 век!!

[@kalkovonschpritzendorf1914]

There is no shooting... I wanted to see the gun fired, and ended up disappointed :/

[@steveww1507]

I like you vids a lot . What country are you from ? keep up the good work.

[@royalamericans2000]

I have fifty rounds for this rifle !!!!!

[@pastuh]

I like weapon, but very sad it was created to kill other humans.

[@davidcuriosoporlaverdad801]

uy bueno,me ha gustado,no entiendo micho el inglés,pero lo he entendido,seguid así,es unsuy buena manera de difundir las armas antiguas