Snider vs Schneider: French 1867 conversion part 1

[@desroin]

Came here for a cool gun and finally learned how to pronounce "Schneider" in french... I'm happy now xD

[@yop_cholo]

Tiens je vais aussi laisser un commentaire sur la version en anglais pour nourrir l'algorithme, meilleur ennemi des créateurs sur KZbin... Thank you for that fascinating deep dive in the wonderful worlds of patents.

[@peternicol3439]

Weird doubling of the audio starting at about 1:41 to 2:25 during close up of Tabby lockwork

[@MrLulzbot]

It's got reverb, Prog Gun Tube?

[@RicArmstrong]

It's because he's doing commentary over another video. No big deal.

[@thebotrchap]

There’s probably a small piece of audio file way down the editing scroll I forgot to delete when cleaning up 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@duncanandrews1940]

Well done Chap, looking forward to part II!😊😊😊😊

[@onkelmicke9670]

Some nice looking cartridges there.

[@jakebronger3568]

very interesting, I run into and owed several of these French 1867 conversions that had been made into sporting 12g shotguns. Found these in the 70s/80s in the Taree area NSW Australia

[@BadlanderOutsider]

It's always interesting to see how much information especially regarding patents and foreign patents just kept being repeated and only recently are people actually going into the records to see what actually was being done. One of the benefits of digitisation of the records, I can only presume on top of concerted effort.

[@allanking6848]

Very informative video. I am looking forward to the range segment. I am hoping that you can put some detailed information on the components you use to make up those monstrous rounds? Thanks.

[@thebotrchap]

I do indeed scim over my reloading method in part 2

[@marcusott2973]

Much awaited, much appreciated looking forward to excellent insights as always from you.

[@pmgn8444]

Great video Le Chap! Complete tangent from the video: I noticed the woodworking bench to your left. Is that yours or was it in the workshop when you bought the house? Besides firearms, I'm a hobbyist furniture maker. Can't help but seeing the box-joints or dovetails on the lower part of the workbench.

[@thebotrchap]

It was in the previous house we rented, then we moved the owner let me have it for free since we wanted rid. They are very common here.

[@JohnTBlock]

Mid to late 19th century patents are a Royal shit-show...

[@Simon_Nonymous]

Amazing!

[@cedhome7945]

Ah that's better I just clicked on the other one and thought I was going bonkers. Better now 😀

[@thebotrchap]

FR version Always has a French flag somewhere on the title card or thumbnail 😊

[@simonjones6128]

Look forward to the next video chappie

[@liamclarke1196]

I've seen some of these converted into shotguns 12 bore

[@thebotrchap]

For 99% of them that was their ultimate fate.

[@johnfisk811]

Well done young Chap. I understood that a French joint Schneider/Snider patent was a compromise impelled by Louis Napoleon. Without wishing to upset Jacob Snider’s family with details but he was suffering from a disease in the latter part of his life which had the capacity to interfere with his judgement which might explain the weird paradox plan. I can explain further in private should you wish. One can see bits of Snideryness even back to Tudor times in England never mind the essential Krnkaness of the overall concept. Fascinating to see it all brought together by a proper patent engineer. BTW I suppose it is my Alsatian genes that make me pronounce Schneider in the German manner, as do the Anglophones which is only German but with a French grammar.

[@thebotrchap]

I could not find any evidence of a joint patent.

[@johnfisk811]

Just another tale then.@@thebotrchap

[@TMFShooting]

Another Great Video 💯 Thanks for Sharing 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@niclbicl]

Nice video very interesting thank you!

[@ivicaantic2737]

You forgot one major Snider conversion user - Turkey

[@thebotrchap]

Ah yes, it was in the back of my mind. iirc Japan also courted it briefly too 🤔

[@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq]

But wasn’t the white flag attachment at the muzzle, an infringement of an Italian patent?

[@thebotrchap]

🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱

[@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq]

@@thebotrchap Sorry. I couldn’t stop myself.

[@thebotrchap]

@@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq I really wish you would

[@jamesbromstead4949]

Part Deux.... Chap in tights......

[@Tallus_ap_Mordren]

Freddy Quimby: it’s pronounced Snai-dah, Snai-dah! Now say it right! Chap: … Schnee-dare.

[@felixthecat265]

Hmm.. I suspect Snider made the most dosh out of the deal (not an easy achievement in the small arms world!) Would you consider the Soper to be the final iteration of the marque..? I think it as being a "self acting" version of the Krinka..!

[@thebotrchap]

Snider made very little at all, even out of the British. Then as now, litigation drains bank accounts. Yes, the Soper is very much an optimized Krnka

[@felixthecat265]

@@thebotrchap You are probably right.. only lawyers make money out of guns... :)! Yes sorry Krnka not Krinka. There was a chap, now since deceased, who used to shoot a Soper at the Imperial Historic. I was very much taken with it.. sort of like a British Werder in terms of optimisation!

[@johnfisk811]

Nevertheless there were tens of thousands of commercial Sniders all dutifully carrying the Snider patent mark. I have been told that the British government made a one off purchase of the patent rights to use in their own arms but the rest were commercially subject to the Snider patent. I do note that, for all the claims of poverty Jacob Snider kept his family in America and had his own lodgings in London and is buried in an expensive cemetery.@@thebotrchap

[@thebotrchap]

@@johnfisk811 Perhaps the Danes and Dutch were more gracious in their licensing agreements 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@carlcarlton764]

Vieve le Schneider, that's some HUGE metallic cartridges. PS: Anyone speaking French can tell that I can't.

[@davidmeek8017]

Aloha; well done! Mahalo

[@chexquest87]

So you are saying the FAMAS needs space-age plastics?

[@thebotrchap]

Wut?

[@Jagdtyger2A]

Since you claim expertise in old 19th Century firearms patents; perhaps you can assist me in relocating who made the 1848 German pinfire revolver patent, so I can study the source

[@thebotrchap]

I claim nothing of the sort. No idea how far back German records go, bearing in mind that in 1848 Germany was not unified so you would first need to track down the location, state/dukedom/principality at the time and hope records extend that far back.

[@Jagdtyger2A]

@@thebotrchap I was afraid of that. I still have the information somewhere in my notes; but since I now have age related MAC, going through all of them is very painful and laborious.

[@exotericidymnic3530]

So you're saying those dastardly English stole our dear brothers Schneider's rifle and claimed it was really invented by an Englishman conveniently named Snider who probably didn't even exist.

[@thebotrchap]

I suppose you could put it that way 😂 Although it would be difficult to claim that Snider didn’t exist 🤔

[@stephengiunta1564]

Trump treated the military like trash. I would never shake his hand.