Shooting with the Leica M9 in 2020. The story of a love affair with a camera.

The story of my experience shooting with the Leica M9 in 2020. I show a few of the photographs I have taken, talk about why I came to buy a decade old range finder camera, my thoughts on the camera and how it compares with using a modern Canon DSLR. Hope you enjoy the video.

[@diordrama]

The M9 is a wonderful, wonderful thing. I've used it for a decade now - personal and commercial, and have no desire to change. I find the ISO is great at 640 and OK at 1250 (so long as you get the exposure and lighting right) - all I need.

[@Funktrainer]

Yes, I completely agree with the ISO thing. I use my M8 up to 640 confidently and the M9 up to 800. Both cameras are pretty much the same in ISO performance but you can raise the ISO in finer steps with the M9.

[@diordrama]

@@Funktrainer Indeed! Leica told me that the M9 works best in 1 stop intervals. So 160, 320, 640, 1250. Everything in between is more of a digital tweak than hardware. So 1250 is actually slightly better than 1000 for anyone that's interested.

[@icehouseimages8687]

One of the most honest reviews I’ve ever seen regarding Leica. Thank you. I always wanted a Leica and may still purchase a used one, but I won’t sell my Nikon gear to get one.

[@RoyRiley]

What a lovely comment! Thank You. I think it is so dependent on what type of thing you like to shoot. Good luck with your photography. Roy

[@ansgarbook1414]

A step that I did and never regreded so far...kept my Nikon stuff till now. Get yourself an M8 updated or an M9 and zeiss 35 1,4 and start or a voigtländer 40 mm 1,2

[@Funktrainer]

@@ansgarbook1414 I would always prefer the original M8 over the “downgraded” version 2 as it has the best and fastest shutter mechanism of all Ms ever made. 1/250sec sync speed and 1/8000sec is great, especially in combination with lenses faster than f 1:2.

[@Funktrainer]

@@ansgarbook1414 I will also keep my Nikon gear forever, especially for some nice MF Zoom lenses (25-50mm 1:4, 35-70mm 1:3.5 Ai, 50-300mm 1:4.5) and some unique primes (135mm 1:2 Ai-S, 85mm 1:1.4 Planar, 35mm 1:1.4 Ai-S)

[@AndrewHardacre]

Fascinating. Really enjoyed it. I have 3 M Leicas, M3, M9 and M240 and use the 240 most but the M9 images are sublime. I am in my 60s now and I wear variofocal glasses so for me focus peaking is a boon. Hence I use the M240 more than the M9 now. I just need a little help but I still keep my M9 and have had no sensor problems since I acquired it in 2010. Now here's the nub - I also use Canon AND Fuji. I use Canon for wildlife and particularly birds. I just like Fuji lenses - the 56mm F1.2 is superb. And I just pick up whatever I feel like on the day. I have no problem switching between a 5D3, 5R, X-H1 or M240. So don't give up open the M9. I am a hobby photographer so I have no commercial pressures. I'm semi- retired. But since I first picked up a Leica in the 1960s (my late father's M3 which I still have) I have never been without one and they the simplest and most pleasurable to use. If you set the M9 to ISO400 and leave it there you only ever have 2 things you can change because the menus are almost non-existent. Just SS and Aperture. It's as close to film as you will get. Enjoy.

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your most interesting comment! Good to know I am not the only one using multiple camera systems! I recently spent some time shooting with the Fuji XPro 3 and really enjoyed the experience. Most of my professional life has been spent using Canon though and what a camera the 5d Mark 3 is! I’m thinking of doing a video about that camera today actually! Thanks again for your comment and good luck with your photography. Roy

[@chandreo]

I just realised that this is a 2020 video! I am a 56 year old photographer that started with an M3 (no light meter built in) and one lens a 35mm f1.4. I am using PhaseOne for products, Nikon for fashion portraits, but I have my M3 and and M-E240 (with Zeiss glass) and this is when I feel that I am still learning. Don’t want MPs don’t want AP-VR II - Best . The M is a school, and I’m glad I am still learning it. But, I do understand it’s not for everyone, but then nothing is!

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your interesting comment. Im still hanging in the there with the M9. Just cannot face parting with it. Actually have been using it a lot more recently and the simplicity is the thing I love. Also the 50mm Summicron is just so sharp! thanks again for your time. Wishing you all the very best with your photography. Roy

[@otimoluk]

What a great explanation, in fact the opening speech was exactly my thoughts too which is why I dived in 3 years ago. Absolutely no regrets.

[@RoyRiley]

Perfect! Thank You!

[@ivanfinch9875]

To get the most out of a Leica M you need to marry them rather than have an affair. You get to know each other really well. They then become second nature, an extension of yourself if you will. Your focus becomes faster, and your hit rate improves. The viewfinder I find superb with a 50 because you can see what’s happening outside the field of view.. I replaced my Nikon system with an M9-P with four lenses about 10 years ago and never looked back. I have since bought an M10 as well but I still never leave for a shoot without the M9. Unlike other cameras Leica’s grow in my affections. Don’t ask me why, they become family.

[@robertoposa1120]

Excellent video - great and very special - I have the same feeling between my Leices M10 and M240 and the Olympus Om-D 1 - the solution for me is just to keep both system for two different type of photography and mood. There are days and situations I want to use one camera and another day the other one. Keep them both. You would regret to give away the Leica - I guarantee - btw I love your videos - very special and way more authentic than all the others on youtube

[@RoyRiley]

Thanks again Roberto. Yes I agree. I had made my mind up to sell the M9 but it just seems wrong to let it go somehow...I have never shot with the Om-D 1 but hear very good things about it. I have the original film OM1n with some nice primes which I love to shoot film with. It was one of the first cameras I shot professionally with over 30 years ago. What kind of photography are you involved with? Thanks again for your brilliant comment. Roy

[@myleicam8546]

Excelent review, and very entertaining, thanks. Great photos too!! Btw, there are viewfinder magnifiers, I was considering one too, and perfect for a 50mm

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your comment. Happy you enjoyed it! It’s great to get such positive feedback. I will look into the magnifiers. Hope you have a good Christmas. Roy

[@mignav464]

Super video, many thanks. Top tip regarding ISO: very ok up until 1000 or so, when needed to use above, switch to B&W and go all the way up. Fantastic film like grain, printable well up to a meter or so. Never forget we're all just pixel peeping here. If you zoom in to 100% in LR, you'll see stuff that will just not show on prints, so go wild 😜

[@RoyRiley]

Very cool information! I think I have been too conservative with my ISO limit on this camera. Over the years I have become slightly paranoid about ending up with files that are unusable by clients. Maybe I will revisit the iso limitations and make a video about it! Thanks for your thoughts. Roy

[@mcc729]

Roy, I share your feelings totally! Canon is like my wife while Leica is my mistress! When I get old, I am getting back to my wife 😂😂

[@RoyRiley]

Haha! Made me laugh on this rainy dark evening in the UK

[@Funktrainer]

You can use the M9 up to 800 ISO easily and up to 1.000 if you urgently need it.

[@richardcollins586]

I’m using a rangefinder for the first time. Had a Minolta Hi-Matic S7ii from 1977 recently refurbished and loaded it with some Ilford HP5 plus. Finished the first roll today. Would love a Leica Q2.

[@RoyRiley]

Good luck with your camera. Hope you enjoy the HP5!

[@villagranvicent]

Glad I found your channel while looking at Canon 5Diii 's videos, very interesting. I also have an M9-P (and an M8) both awesome cameras and I love them along with my Canon 5D Classic. All others come and go! 👍🏼👏🏼

[@RoyRiley]

Glad you are enjoying g the videos! Still hanging in there with the M9. Turns out I love it far to much to sell!

[@RaymondLay]

Great video. My sensor recently started corroding further, fortunately there is now services available to repair the sensor (Kolari Vision). I just got my camera back and it’s been fantastic. As for potential buyers that want to shop for a good condition M9 there is another issue with the Leica M9 called “M9 dead column” where a vertical line will appear in the images... fortunately there is a work around to fix it...

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you. This is really interesting to hear. Good to hear a first hand account of the Kolari fix!

[@nicolasfilsdejean]

hello, good to hear that there is a way to fix those issues: could you let us know the price range of fixing the corrosion issue??? thank you kindky

[@SuperSckid]

Kolari Vision offers the sensor replacement service for US$2,500.

[@soda5730]

Everything you said is spot on. In terms of 'missing a frame' on the other hand can also be looked at the other way round when shooting reportage or street. A larger camera can sometimes prevent something happening because of its mere presence. Regarding the focusing, yes, eyesight is a factor but you can buy dioptres to help with that and negate the need for wearing your reading glasses. Being fast with focusing a range finder takes years and years of continuous practice. And it's not just the range finder focusing itself, it's intuitively knowing for a given lens, where that focus tab needs to be for a given distance. This is a major factor in increasing focus speed. I'm not sure I could ever part with my M9, despite having an M10, SL2-S and CL. It's really like having an M7 loaded with an infinite roll of Kodachrome that develops itself. But for a modern, full-frame mirrorless or DSLR system with autofocus then Canon is the way to go. I actually prefer the SOOC colour rendition of the Canon sensors over all the others.

[@mariogpx2990]

I see why photographers still love this model, I can see a little bit of film look thanks to the sensor.

[@RoyRiley]

Thanks for your comment. I am sticking with the camera for the time being because its just so lovely to use. Going to fully embrace the film look!

[@rezzab]

I came into a legacy and was wanting a good camera just about the same time the M9 came on the market I bought one. 2020 and I’m still using it, I had no problem focusing with it because some years ago I had an M3, I had the sensor replaced for fee, it’s looking rather battered some brass showing through the black paint, I think it looks great. I was having trouble with my eyes it was a cataract problem, I had the operation they would only do my left eye that was good news as I am left eye dominant so the looking through the viewfinder is not a problem now, the trouble being your nose leaves mark on the screen.

[@RoyRiley]

Pleased you are still enjoying your M9! Also good to know they have sorted your eye even if you get a few nose marks!

[@Funktrainer]

The screen is excellent for what it is, it is honest, you can quickly check for critical focus and look at the histogram. There is actually nothing left screenwise.

[@MarcS4R]

i have been using the M9 since 2013 , i love it as a walkaround camera. usually for paid jobs i will use my mirrorless, specially if off camera flash is involved.

[@RoyRiley]

Thanks for your thoughts on this. Yes. My strategy is similar, as you say especially with flash!

[@alanandkarenbootholdfield6179]

You are right only certain types of photography with the M9. Travel and landscape photography, but the camera does slow you down just like a film camera But they are gorgeous to handle and use

[@robertstacy8438]

the fact you are constantly questioning the what if I had my Canon while using the M9 means you have not fully embraced the constraint that using a Leica has. You note that the ISO400 limitation is a constraint you enjoy, but the whole point of manual everything is that that constraint allows you to be free of the conversation you are still having about the DSLR. For me I have walked away from all of my Nikons and Fujis and have never had a moment of regret.

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you David for your comments. I think you are right about not fully embracing the way of the Leica. Over the years I have built a strong instinctive connection with my canons and I have not yet made that kind of connection with the Leica. Also as a professional I am constantly fearful of missing a picture and that tends to creep into everything. (not the best habit and more to do with me than any camera system!) Its great that you have found a happy place with your Leica.Can I ask what kind of thing you are shooting and what lenses you are mainly using? Thanks again for your comment, its lovely to know that someone is watching!

[@robertstacy8438]

@@RoyRiley I shoot primarily documentary, news, and street, though in the Covid era, I am also doing nature to pass the time. I shoot primarily 24mm-35mm focal lengths from Leica, though own a really nice Zeiss 35mm C Biogon 2.8, which I think is like a razor. One of the things I like about the specific Leica models I own is I feel engaged and want to carry the camera all the time and that in turns leads to more photos. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. If inclined my IG is @visualwhiplash

[@thedeadguy]

@@RoyRiley af is a luxury, but needed especially for concert photography and other dark light mediums. leica is the slow many camera. you kind of feel bored, yet when you get a good shot you smile.i've had so many throw away shots with leica instead of what i had with my nikon d750. moments are missed faster with leica then nikon. it's like bit coin or doge coin.

[@RoyRiley]

@@thedeadguy agreed! Like your reference to the coin! What a few days it’s been for crypto! Still hanging onto my Leica.. people have tried to buy it from me but a voice inside just keeps saying no!

[@GuamPhotography]

I understand where you are coming from, I too have bought and sold Leica M cameras many times, in the past, I would sell all my Nikon DSLR gear just to get an M 240, then sell all my Leica gear to get a DSLR, then do it again, to get the M9 etc... So its like a cycle and you cant just shoot with a Leica M. I mean you can, you can do it, but it'll be hard, especially for events, which I have used my Leica M to shoot, it's not easy. Thats why I have a Sony a9 II for everything, and the Leica M9-P for my fun portraits or for a nice film look to my pics. No other camera gives me a connection like the Leica M cameras. So it's really hard just to have one system the M system. Financially I understand too, its easier to shoot professional with one system, instead of shooting with 2 systems and having to buy separate lenses. Its kinda like a love and hate with the Leica M hahaha. Im still there man :) Just dont sell it, you will eventually buy an M 240 or M10 when the prices go down, but you will miss the CCD colors, thats why I settled on the M9-P over the M10 :)

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your most intelligent comment. Completely nails how I feel about it! Can I ask what your favourite lens is to shoot with your M9P? I’m thinking about trying a 35mm

[@GuamPhotography]

@@RoyRiley You're welcome! I currently have the Voigtlander 35mm 1.2 Version 2, and the Voigtlander 75mm 1.5 - I had the 35mm version 1 awhile ago, but I do prefer this version 2, and version 3 just came out, but some say it has more vignetting.

[@RoyRiley]

Guam Photography Thank you! I am really interested to see how the 35mm changes the whole feel of the camera and shooting experience.. Hope life treats you well. Roy

[@ac5040]

Totally agree. It looks like Leica is trying to make m10 produce film-like pictures, like M9, but M9 is still better at it. Keeping M9 just for fun, personal use, etc. is a good recommendation. It's a very unique camera. I was tempted to sell mine many times, and I am glad I haven't. It's a chore to shop for them.

[@GuamPhotography]

@@ac5040 Yes you are right, they are getting harder to find now and the price with a replaced CCD sensor is also climbing, I got my mint Leica M9-P over the summer for $3,200 - that’s more than a used M 240 now!!!

[@zoltankaparthy9095]

Very good. Very well done. I have the M9 and a Sony A7M III. They are both good. I like the more three-dimensionality of M9 images and its colors and it is quite magical in stressed scenery that the Sony would resolve differently. It can be quite magical which is why you like it, too.

[@RoyRiley]

Thanks Zoltan. I am tempted to try the Sony A series cameras. Lots of other professional photographers are goi g in that direction too. The M9 is amazing, I love it but also on occasion really hate it… but then love it again straight after

[@zoltankaparthy9095]

@@RoyRiley Yeah, I hear you. But often those "busted" photos are great a week or so later. The M9 is a demanding mistress.

[@jaredcharney8540]

I used the m9 for years but had to sell so I could purchase Canon's 300 2.8 lens for my sports work it was pretty painful to let it go because besides using it as my go everywhere camera I also used it for a lot of portrait work that especially with my strobes made for a unique look that I def. miss. I now use the Fuji x100V which I love but at some point down the road I'm hoping to get the M10 -- thanks for sharing --

[@RoyRiley]

Cheers Jared. Painful decision. I hope that M10 comes your way soon. Wishing you a successful 2021. Roy

[@bernardlesperance742]

Leica has add on diopters in a range of strengths that you can screw onto the eyepiece. It saved me and I can merrily keep on shooting with my M6 even with my much less than 20/20 eyesight.

[@RoyRiley]

Good to know Bernard. Thanks for your comment. I have started using contact lenses which help lots.

[@MichalJeck]

Amazing camera. Thanks for sharing.

[@wilfredshum3703]

Since I typically use my M9 for daylight shooting because of its lower base ISO, critical focusing is less of a problem. True that using the rangefinder in dim lighting situation is a challenge, even with the magnifier.

[@RoyRiley]

My eyes are not improving either! Growing old is such a bind

[@rezzab]

I have an M9, fortunately I had used an M3 many years ago at so the rangefinder was not a problem, speed of focus, I have several DSLR cameras and I find that manual focusing with the M9 is faster and spot on, I agree that people not used to a rangefinder might have problems but with the M9 you can practise focusing with the camera turned off. 50mm is also my favourite lens always on the camera.

[@SuperSckid]

Zone focusing is a matter of practices, which can be applied even to 50mm Summilux @f1.4 or even 50mm Noctilux @f1.0. Once one gets used to zone (manual) focusing, sometimes it’s even faster and more accurate in terms of where to focus than doing auto focusing.

[@RoyRiley]

Thanks for this. Interesting stuff. What’s your hit rate with a 50mm shooting wide open with a moving subject?

[@SuperSckid]

@@RoyRiley About 40-50%

[@norrishy]

I got a M9P and replaced the IR cut filter from corrosion, except I don't shoot after sunset because of poor ISO performance, everthing else looks fantastic on it. Just recently bought a Summicron 35/2 asph v1 and definitely would be my fav cam for a while.

[@Renzsu]

If you love the Leica look, you may want to try the SL range. You can even use the Leica M lenses on it. I have a Nikon Z6 next to my M10 and I can use my lenses on both. I tend to gravitate to my M10 though (but yeah, eyesight problems are a very valid reason to stay away from rangefinders).

[@RoyRiley]

The SL range is certainly on my radar.. trouble is there are all sorts of things on my radar! Not all of them can always come true.. all in the fullness of time

[@JimmyCheng]

I think the Leica is only suitble for certain types of photography and overall it's a tool that inspires rather than a tool that gets the job done (of course it can still get the job done in most cases). I enjoyed using my film as well as digital leica bodies as I can bring them everywhere any time in style, while I have to leave my big guns at home (like on a hike). It teaches me how to read light and how to compose and frame before seeing the final picture (as opposed to evfs in all the mirrorless cameras these days). It's a fantastic tool for learning photography and it is a piece of art that is pleasing just to look at.

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your comment. I agree with everything you have said here. It is when the boundaries cross that things start to get interesting! Can I ask what is your favorite lens for using with your Leica digital cameras?

[@JimmyCheng]

@@RoyRiley Yeah for sure. I think it really depends on where I am going and what I plan to shoot. If I were to carry just one lens for whatever reason, I think I'll prolly carry my trusty summicron 35mm version 4. It is tiny and very sharp with a unique rendering quality. If I can carry two lenses, prolly 28 cron for indoors and environments and 50 lux asph, which is absolutely beautiful wide open.

[@orgelssecondrule9221]

Great shots great video

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you. I appreciate your comments very much!

[@JimArnold6]

An M262 is the camera to watch for on a budget. Simple like the M9, but addresses a lot of it weaknesses.

[@RoyRiley]

Thanks Jim! A few others have also mentioned the M626, seems like it’s worth a look. I have had my head turned by the Fuji Xpro 3 lately though. Interesting camera if you are into such things.

[@JimArnold6]

@@RoyRiley I made a video between the M9 and 262 when I upgraded. Not nice production values like yours, just shot to be informative for a Leica geek. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHzZnHueoL1kr6c

[@woutdezeeuw1604]

I'm too very attached to the M9, I will never get anything else. I can recommend getting the 1.25x magnifier when you're shooting the 50mm lens, it will help you a little bit getting the focus/framing right. Also there are diopters for eye sight correction. Here's another thought, check out the Leica SL. The older generation has come down quite a bit in price, second hand they're probably around the M9 level, but it has a great electronic viewfinder and with an adapter you can use M lenses with it and focus peaking.

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your most very interesting comment.Very good advice. Oh my word. The SL! Now you have started me thinking! Do you use the SL? Thanks again. Roy

[@woutdezeeuw1604]

@@RoyRiley I have not used the SL yet, I'm in the lusting after it phase at the moment. But I've read a fair amount of reviews and seen youtube videos about it by now to know it will work really well with M lenses, but it won't quite have the Leica M9 color pop. The official Leica adapter for M lenses is stupidly expensive though (€410 new), but there are a few other brand adapters that are more reasonably priced, I think the €100 is OK, but will miss lens detection. Also I saw you asking for lens recommendations. My first love is the 35 f1.4 asph (I have the non FLE version). Wide open it makes such gorgeous environmental portraits. Super versatile lens.

[@RoyRiley]

@@woutdezeeuw1604 Thank You. I hear only good things about the 35mm F1.4 asph. Expensive but all good things usually are. I will start doing some research into the SL and the adaptor and dioptre you mentioned.

[@woutdezeeuw1604]

@@RoyRiley You're welcome! I feel the most immediate benefit for your 50mm will probably be the 1.25x magnifier (not cheap as all Leica things ofcourse, they're around €250 on ebay). I got the 35 f1.4 second hand for around €2400 with a lucky deal. The newer FLE version is for sale close to where I live for €3050 (www.marktplaats.nl/a/audio-tv-en-foto/fotografie-camera-s-digitaal/m1602410743-leica-35-mm-1-4-summilux-m-asph-goede-staat-m6-m9-m10.html?c=08c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr), so that's about the price range I think.

[@orgelssecondrule9221]

You have it in front and in back of camera. You should be at many more subs

[@RoyRiley]

Very kind words!

[@MB-or8js]

Overpriced at this point even for the ones where the sensor had been replaced. I was not too thrilled when I tested the M9 a few years back. Went with a M 240 instead which is IMO the much better deal.

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your comment. Good point. I did look at the M240 but it was just out of my price range at the time. Good luck with your photography!

[@lostintransitphoto]

I kept my M9 and bought a M10. The color of the M9 is absolutely amazing. I don't get it on every image to be honest, but there are some that just work like no other. The closest I found to this color rendition (many won't believe me) is an Olympus OMD (the older version). Not exactly right but very close and for the price point is an easy decision. But the M9 is a unique camera for me. I can take it to the dodgy part of town without much concern as it is fairly beat up.

[@RoyRiley]

@@lostintransitphoto Thank you for your comment. Very interesting about the Olympus OMD. I have always had a soft spot for Olympus. Maybe worth giving one a try! (do you mean the OMD EM1?) I once took an old film Om1n and a bunch of primes lenses across the Himalayas. Worked perfectly despite quite sporting conditions. These days I have the 12mm micro four thirds lens for my Lumix camera and it is one of the sharpest lenses I own with literally no distortion. Thanks again for your comment and for viewing my video.

[@philippem9492]

Thanks for your great video. I own a M9 for more than 10 years. It's beautiful. But you need to work on the focus. The files are amazing and very sharp. Cheers

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your really great comment! I am so glad when people like what I do. It’s great to hear this kind of feedback. Thank You!

[@RoyRiley]

@@philippem9492 Great work Philippe. I can see you really know your stuff! There was a familiarity to your website and then I realised that we share the same Photoshelter template. Hope life is treating you well among these crazy times. R

[@philippem9492]

@@RoyRiley Dear Roy, Thanks for your nice comment. It's always a pleasure to share with talented people. Take good care. P

[@6bender]

That looks like a V3 Summicron? I have that same combo. That lens gets upstaged a lot in the Leica community but I find it to be a great performer. Sharp as I need any lens to be (even at f2) with a nice bokeh. As for the M9, aside from the unique quality of the images, the shooting experience is what I enjoy the most. Just pure photography, simplified. Something that's usually missing in the digital age. I also use Fujifilm X-T3 and though it can always get the picture I still like using the Leica more often. I have no FOMO when shooting with it, I just have a different mindset and think more creatively. Exposure-wise I usually top out at ISO 640 and underexpose if need be and bring it up in post. When shooting for black and white I'm not afraid to go up to max. Very film like looking images either way..

[@RoyRiley]

Yes V3! Totally agree with you. My version is a bit battered but still very sharp and my favourite 50mm so far. I have been doing some high iso tests with the M9 this winter. Will be doing a video about it soon. Thanks for your message and good luck with your photography. R

[@markivkovic7235]

Yep, for those who love it there isn't anything else that works quite right. I've been through the product line with digital M's. Started with the M8, okay but the whole IR sensitivity and slight cropped sensor bugged me. Then M9, loved the thing, it changed the way I made work and by far and away my favourite images made over a six year period were made with this camera. Used it commercially for portrait, editorial, food & PR. Even in the studio with flash. Blooming loved it. Eventually when the sensor rot thing started raising it's nasty head I figured maybe time to upgrade to the M240. Yeah, that camera just didn't have the soul. The images felt too much like the ones out of my Canon, a bit "thin"? Sure it was an "upgrade" but what I made with it just didn't feel right. Recently had an M10 for a year, great camera and all, the feel and soul is coming back some. Then Covid hit and the luxury of having expensive cameras sat on a shelf was no longer viable. Sold it & guess what I picked up super cheap, yup my old M9, the same one I sold. In the interim it's had a new sensor put in. Bought it back for less than I sold it for and boy oh boy did it feel like coming home when I first went out and shot with it. The screen may well be naff but you know for 100% if it looks good on the back then it's going to look real darn good printed. IS it a true classic digital camera? Is it the first real classic digital camera? To me yes. I love it's quirks and short comings. Could I use other cameras and make the same images? Maybe, the colours may look different but I sure wouldn't have enjoyed making it so much.

[@RoyRiley]

Such an interesting story! thanks so much for sharing. Really good to hear your perspective of using the M9 in contrast with the M240 and M10. There does appear to be something about this camera that elevates it into its own special place in photographers hearts. Its kind of like, if you get it, then you really get it and love it forever but if you don't then you never will. I think for the moment I will be keeping mine. I am considering get hold of a 35mm lens to go with it because I have been shooting solely with the 50mm and I wonder if I need to diversify. Actually I am wondering about the 40mm from Voigtlander.. any thoughts?

[@ac5040]

@@RoyRiley I have M8, M9, and M240. Voigtlander 40mm works awesome on M8 because of the crop sensor - the vignetting issue totally disappears because of the crop factor, and the pictures exhibit very nice tonality. However, on the M9 it was just OK, and the vingnetting of course is there. 35mm fast voigtlander looks interesting and many people like it. It could be worth a try. Btw, I really enjoyed the video, thank you!

[@RoyRiley]

@@ac5040 thank you! I love it when people enjoy my content! It actually means the world to me. I am currently looking at all the option for a wide angle. Wish I had deeper pockets!

[@ivanfinch9875]

Don’t they just become family? You were reunited. I hope she forgave you for replacing her for a younger model!

[@RoyRiley]

@@ivanfinch9875 You are right! They do feel like family. Not sure if I am forgiven or not! Happy Christmas and thanks for you comment. Roy

[@silkfatblues]

Invisible ball juggler/air violinist ;) nice video!

[@RoyRiley]

Haha! It’s not easy Silky Milky!

[@splootan]

Awesome video great camera it suits you!

[@RoyRiley]

What a lovely thing to say! Never really thought about that. If I were a camera I think I would be happy to be an M9! How about you? Flash mirrorless or rugged twin lens reflex?

[@splootan]

@@RoyRiley Nikon Z guy!! Lol oh and sorry for the late reply

[@RoyRiley]

@@splootan Z8 is the new James Bond it seems

[@splootan]

@@RoyRiley a very “hot “ one too from what I hear!

[@splootan]

@@RoyRiley still have the M9?

[@fluffthecat]

Hi Roy, I've been recently pondering the thought about buying an M9. backwards and forwards like yourself, it wouldn't be my main camera, just for those relaxing weekends and holiday trips. I've not experienced the high ISO capabilities of this model, some say maximum 640. But do you think the marvellous noise software like Topaz Denoise would give it extra life in that department? I had a vintage Lumix LC-1, 5mp camera and max ISO was 400! and very grainy. But with the software, noise/grain looked like 100 ISO.

[@RoyRiley]

New noise reduction technology does help these older cameras. Personally I do not hate the higher iso of the M9, in particular in black and white it looks quite cool. Colour can struggle a bit above maybe 800 ish. Maybe even 400 if the light is bad. Often when people talk about high ISO things can get a bit confusing because it’s possible in theory to get a clean shot at high iso in good light or a terribly noisy shot at low iso if the light is terrible. Sometimes it’s as much about the quality of light as the cameras ability to capture it. Only my opinion and I always veer on the side of caution because if a file is too noisy to use then it’s no real use in the commercial world that I live in. It’s a very different kettle of fish if your shooting for fun or artistic pursuit. So long as you understand the limitations of the sensor you will get along fine and some of the new noise reduction software will just makes things a bit less noisy! Hope this help! Seek the good light!

[@RoyRiley]

New noise reduction technology does help these older cameras. Personally I do not hate the higher iso of the M9, in particular in black and white it looks quite cool. Colour can struggle a bit above maybe 800 ish. Maybe even 400 if the light is bad. Often when people talk about high ISO things can get a bit confusing because it’s possible in theory to get a clean shot at high iso in good light or a terribly noisy shot at low iso if the light is terrible. Sometimes it’s as much about the quality of light as the cameras ability to capture it. Only my opinion and I always veer on the side of caution because if a file is too noisy to use then it’s no real use in the commercial world that I live in. It’s a very different kettle of fish if your shooting for fun or artistic pursuit. So long as you understand the limitations of the sensor you will get along fine and some of the new noise reduction software will just makes things a bit less noisy! Hope this help! Seek the good light!

[@fluffthecat]

Thanks, I think your absolutely right, we can pixel peep far too much! If the image is simply shared on Instagram, or general family sharing, it hardly matters or shows up. I’ve done some book printing and framed photos and the noise is not really noticeable, and can add to the feel and mood. My eyes are on a Fuji X100T at the moment, it’s cheaper, has autofocus and I may well prefer the electronic viewfinder. My eyesight not the best in my older years.

[@davejenx]

Going away from mirrorless sony fuji fell back in love with my m8 but acquired a 85 1.4 zeiss for my a900 omg what a combo , I think its because the image you get is always better than the image you take in the viewfinder and that little uplift spurs you on , with mirrorless you get what you see ......and you can get diopters for your leica

[@RoyRiley]

Hi. I have never tried Zeiss lenses. Sounds good though! maybe I should give one a go. Glad you are enjoying your M8. Thank You for your comment

[@davejenx]

@@RoyRiley unfortunately I think lenses are like pokemon I have to collect them all lol

[@sunung1188]

I absolutely love your black and whites. May I ask if you used post processing? If yes, would love to get in touch for your presets.

[@RoyRiley]

Thanks. I do a bit of editing to most of my pictures. Nothing major and only really basic stuff. I think ten years of shooting black and white film and printing in the darkroom might have helped! I do use presets but again only really quite basic ones that I have built over the years. I’m not a huge fan of relying on presets because everything and everyone is different and needs to be treated as such. I think there can be a tendency for everyone to want everything to look roughly the same, whatever the current trend is.. my advice would be to work out how you want your pictures to look.. hopefully at the capture stage and then just make them have that look using basic techniques.. editing should be the icing on the cake - not a huge slab of clotted cream smacked down on a cream cracker! As ever we each have to find our own way and there is no right or wrong with this and Sometimes when the mood takes me I can go real heavy with the preset look and break all my own rules and advice! That’s the magic with this. Do what you want and what makes you happy! All the best. Roy

[@nickfanzo]

Not sure if the extra second to focus is a big deal. Many many great photographers used Leica and manual focus. Joel Meyerowitz still uses a Leica in Manhattan and manually focuses and exposes and gets amazing photographs.

[@RoyRiley]

You are of course right. These things are all subjective and I guess it very much depends on what you are shooting. Thanks for your comment. Roy

[@nickfanzo]

@@RoyRiley take care!

[@nicolasfilsdejean]

Hello Roy. Thanks for sharing your experience and for such an enjoyable video. I have been buying and selling and buying Leica cameras and switching to Fuji XPro2 and coming back to Leica for over 5 years now... I had the M9 at one point and was unhappy with the battery life, the price of original ones (which are over 120€) and the "freezing" of the onboard computer (albeit not happening very often, can be very annoying when in the middle of a shoot). I wasn't too impressed with the ISO range (reasonable :max is 800 in colour and 1200 in BnW) nore with the out-of camera Jpegs. The raw files were great and once I got some presets down, I was pretty happy but I'm not totally convinced about the "film like" look of the CCD sensor..I'd say that the Jpeg files straight from the camera look sharp but they tend to be over contrasted which is maybe what you were looking for?? The out of camera Jpegs, especially the BnW with Accros simulation adding a bit of grain effect, from the fuji Xpro2 are great and I can't tell the difference on my computer between the Fuji or the M9 files if I'm beeing honest. Now on the other hand, the experience of shooting with a Leica M camera is un comparable and I do admit that the M9 (mostly due to it's looks--still equipped with natural light frames and frame selection lever-- and "low tech" menu system) is the closest to Leica M film camera (I've owned two M3s, Two M6s and the last in line is the M2) but I recently purchased an M240 and I'm impressed with out of camera Jpegs (around the 10MP mark where they were around the 6MP on the M9 which is handy when cropping and for overall sharpness), much higher Iso capabilities and slightly higher dynamic range and although it has that slight bit more modern look to it, the battery life is much much better (I never use the "movie" mode) and hasn't "frozen" up on me yet . What I'm getting at is that the M9 has an unmistakeable look of film M bodies but it is just that : the look of one, not so much the files that come out of it. I'm betting that not many could differentiate files from an M9, an M240 or an M10. Leica M bodies give a great user experience with an organic feel and look but in this digital field, better ISO capabilities and higher dynamic range yields sharper files with more details: it's easier to emulate film look and to enhance the contrast than to get more details where the sensor will not have registered them. And now that the hype on the M9 is higher than ever, I actually paid not more for a used but perfectly functionnal M240 than I would have to buy back the M9 I had sold 1 year and half ago.....

[@RoyRiley]

What an amazing insight! Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. Very interesting. I am still shooting with the M9! and every time I use it I enjoy it a little bit more. Keen to get my hands on an Xpro 2 with a few nice primes! Good luck with your photography and thanks again for such a brilliant comment. Roy

[@simonkimber1152]

Sad it might go.... I love my M8 and it's filmic look. I'm not pro shooting with what helps me unwind.... It's as much the act as the photos... But CCD colours are great

[@RoyRiley]

Thank You for commenting. I agree the process is often just as important as the end result. Great that you are happy with your M8. Thanks again. R

[@larrylobster9107]

I purchased a M8 over a year ago to dip my toes into a rangefinder, aside from a IIIf over twenty years ago while in college - hated it. I was so excited with the M8, especially doing infrared, but felt a full frame M9 would be a better fit for everything else. Both are now my go to bodies vs my Nikons. I love the Kodak CCD sensor (my digital Kodachrome) and price vs the CMOS sensor in the M10; 240, etc. Another huge bonus is the M8, M9 and M9M (Monochrom) use the same batteries. Thanks for sharing the excellent video and your vision is like mine. Take care, be safe and happy photography.

[@stefhulskamp4779]

Considering buying one secondhand for 1800, however it has 100.000 clicks. any suggestions wether this is a waste or not? Thanks!

[@RoyRiley]

To be honest I have no idea. Sounds quite high..There are plenty of cameras around with lower shutter count for only a little more. (you talking pounds?) Whichever one you buy make sure it has the paperwork showing the sensor replacement

[@peterm.722]

What about the Nikon lens on your left side?

[@RoyRiley]

Good spot! Yes. I shoot with Nikon cameras too sometimes. That’s a very good lens actually! Extra points if you can tell me which lens it is?

[@elguapo5620]

Intersting. M9 has always been on my list. I wonder if you can use external electronic viewfinder ?

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you. Its a good question. I will do some research.

[@Funktrainer]

No, there is no live view capability with the M9 so there will never be an EVF for it. I also think if you need an EVF get an electronic mirrorless body like the SL. Liveview on a rangefinder or SLR just makes no sense.

[@elguapo5620]

@@Funktrainer Thanks for the information.

[@KurtSk8tes247]

Is it possible to use an M9 with an R lens even though this is a rangefinder? Is there a way to work around focusing issues it may have if at all? Are there adapters fo this?

[@RoyRiley]

It’s a good question! I’m afraid I do not know. I just googled it and there are a few posts about it so I would suggest you have a look. From what I can see it is possible but is far from ideal.. apologies I cannot help more. Good luck with it. R

[@ericjhaber]

Is the replacement sensor also a ccd?

[@RoyRiley]

I believe so. But not identical to the original. have heard of some third party companies offering alternative sensors but do not have any more info I’m afraid.

[@trappedindc8678]

Agree completely on 18MP as a sweet spot for sensors. I have a Nikon D810 and a D700 for full frame DSLR and prefer the “grit” in photos from the 16MP D700 compared to the “clean” look of the 36MP D810. But I still prefer the look of film so that explains that.

[@waltherziemerink]

D700 only has 12mp. Did you mean D7000? Either way, I do agree.

[@trappedindc8678]

@@waltherziemerink typo on the d700 mp. I love the d700

[@myoung48281]

400 iso is the limit? It goes to 2500 and the real film look kicks in at the higher iso's .Shoot it at 1000 and it really has a film grain look native to it's sensor. For me that is the beauty of that camera, best of the M digitals for that reason.

[@RoyRiley]

Thank You. I will try this camera at higher ISO. My mistake. I should have explained better in the video. Personally I made the decision not to shoot above 400iso because I have experienced some noise from the camera at higher iso settings. You are right though the camera will go much higher. I will give it another throw at higher isos though. Will be interesting to see. Apologies if it came across as misleading. Thank you for your comment. All the very best. Roy

[@myoung48281]

@@RoyRiley I understand what you are saying. I like the noise from the M9 because it is so film like, if you like that kind of look, I do, thanks.

[@diordrama]

@@RoyRiley Sometimes I leave it on 640 because it looks so good. It mixes the tones and colours very nicely and looks very film like.

[@JohnRicard]

The slow buffer is never “brilliant”. I re-purchased an M9 last year, and I really love the camera. The inadequate buffer is unbearable to me however.

[@RoyRiley]

It certainly has caught me out a few times! Thank you for your comment

[@Traveljournalist]

You should by an SL2 , you’ll have the best of both worlds.

[@RoyRiley]

Very interesting idea! Need deep pockets though. Thanks for the thought. R

[@helgividar]

Leica cameras are in a league of their own. These rangefinders are expensive and have several annoying limitations but they have their advantages like size, weight and lens quality. The newest sensors are also on pair with the best.

[@RoyRiley]

Thank you for your comment. I agree although I have not yet tried the latest Leica. Maybe one day if I am fortunate enough! Do you mind me asking which camera do you shoot with and whats your favorite lens? I have been considering a 35mm lens to replace the 50mm for a while.

[@helgividar]

I don't shoot Leica yet, but these cameras have caught my attention lately so I have been exploring their features and user experience. That is why I watched your video. I found your review well balanced, informative and interesting. I shoot Nikon D750 and D7500. I bought Voigtlander 58mm f/1.4 SL this summer and now the 40mm f/2.0 SL is on order. The 58mm is a superb lens and I have never owned such a quality lens. It is of course my favorite lens these days. These two lenses will be my Leica substitute until I can afford Leica.

[@RoyRiley]

@@helgividar Very pleased to hear how well you rate the Voigtlander lenses. I have been looking at that 40mm for some time. I used to have a 40 mm lens years ago for a very old Pentax film camera and it was always a very useful focal length. I have been considering one for my M9. Will look forward to hearing how you get on if you ever step into the Leica world. What kind of thing do you most like to shoot?

[@helgividar]

It changes for time to time what I like to shoot the most. This year it was flowers and insects but most of my work I do for the local football club.

[@RoyRiley]

@@helgividar Its interesting how this year so many people have been photographing the natural environment. Me included! I guess it is a by product of the Covid situation.

[@samuelkoesling9655]

Do you mind sharing some dng files from the M9? thanks!

[@RoyRiley]

I'm not a DNG sharing kind of guy im afraid. For so many reasons!

[@deantaylor1512]

Review of your Domke f2 please... Great camera ever better bag...

[@RoyRiley]

Good spot! Domke F2 is my all time favorite. Very similar to the M9 in many ways.. I really love it despite its few quirks. Also the Domke lens pouches.. Just for you I will share my thoughts about Domke in another video soon! Thanks for your comment and time. Roy

[@deantaylor1512]

Roy Riley brilliant... I myself use a Leica R7 and film MP.. plus a nice collection of 3 different Domke..all long last stuff and worth the investment. Look forward to your review... plenty of Domke fanatics out there🤪 D.

[@RoyRiley]

@@deantaylor1512 Interesting to hear you are shooting with the R7. I have often wondered about that camera. Good luck with your photography. R

[@nathan_woodgate]

Do you want to sell it.......?

[@RoyRiley]

It is certainly a possibility! Are you in the market?

[@nathan_woodgate]

@@RoyRiley I'm certainly on the look out for one at the right price. Must have had the sensor replaced though? I currently have an M5 and an M4 but would love to enter the world of digital leica.

[@RoyRiley]

@@nathan_woodgate Let me give it some thought. The sensor on this camera was changed in 2017. Have you an interest in the 50mm Summicron F2 V3? Its slightly worn but optically clean and pin sharp.

[@nathan_woodgate]

Roy Riley Thank you Roy, I would just be looking at body only. I know it’s hard parting with such a beauty but if you ever did give me a shout👌🏼

[@WhoIsSerafin]

Try the best of both worlds with something like a xpro 3 100v

[@RoyRiley]

Wise words! I hear the 100v is rarer than hens teeths these days

[@WhoIsSerafin]

@@RoyRiley waited 6 months for mine, gave it a try after 20 years with Olympus

[@obscuragraffitica]

M240 owner here. Ive been lusting over thr m9. Sell me yours ;)

[@RoyRiley]

Haha! I have not used the M240 but have heard lots of good things. Stick with it would be my advice! What’s your favourite lens to shoot with?

[@obscuragraffitica]

@@RoyRiley yes, just like the m9, it is a great camera once you accept and work over its limitations. I havent shot with the M9 but I keep hearing about its great CCD kodachrome inspired colors, but the colors on the M240 is great too. I plan on keeping my M240, but I still want an m9. I love shooting on my Zeiss sonnar 50 1.5.

[@RoyRiley]

@@obscuragraffitica I would like to try the Zeiss Sonnar. Big fan of the 50mm. However my eye keeps getting drawn to the Voigtlander 40mm

[@obscuragraffitica]

@@RoyRiley the Sonnar is tricky to shoot depending on your aperture due to focus shift. But its really sharp when stopped down. I highly recommend it. I never used the VM 40mm, but own the 35mm variant. They are tiny-! Perfect for travel.

[@RoyRiley]

@@obscuragraffitica I will have to start saving up! Thank you for your interesting comments. All the best. Roy

[@DonFather]

That was an excellent description of infidelity. lol.

[@RoyRiley]

haha! yes! actually feels very close to it. `just have to hope my Canons will forgive me

[@ansgarbook1414]

I ll bet you will not return to the Canon fully..... my D750 and D700 take only a spare role in my phptography anymore since m9p and M8.2 joined in... a job shooting yes I will take the Nikon to be quick... but otherwise its M

[@RoyRiley]

I think you might well be right! What lenses are you shooting with? I am considering a wider lens for the M9

[@ansgarbook1414]

@@RoyRiley on M9P : Old Summicron 50mm, rigid f2, from the 50th and Voigtländer 50mm 1,5 and V35mm f1.4 SC , Wide I use the 21mm Voigtländer colour skopar (with a hefty vignette on M9P, therefore I use this more on M8updated and as a standard on M8u the V 40mm 1.2 NOKTON (my best lens I think) and you?

[@RoyRiley]

@@ansgarbook1414 I only have the 50mm summicron F2 V3. I love shooting with the 50mm but am interested in trying something a little wider. The 40mm is attractive to me. But also thinking of maybe. 28mm. Will have to start saving up!

[@RoyRiley]

@@ansgarbook1414 how do you find the 40mm?

[@ansgarbook1414]

@@RoyRiley Thats a great one!!! I use it mostly on the M8... if ou look at my M8 pictures they are with this

[@pinkeye00]

This is a 3min video that took 12min.

[@RoyRiley]

Apologies for any inconvenience. If I could give you the 9 minutes back I would. This is a full blown love affair we are talking about as opposed to a one night stand or a quick rifle through the razzle mag and as you may not may not know full blown love affairs take time and are often more painful than we expect..very similar to my video really! Wishing you the very best. RR

[@JV_Automotive]

its not hte bob ross but bob roses british cousin :D

[@RoyRiley]

That’s honestly the best comment ever! Thank you. Bob

[@JV_Automotive]

@@RoyRiley hope you got it as a joke 🙏🏼😉 im on the edge of buing buing digital M after few years with my lovely M6 kinda want M240 but its still financially unreachable :(

[@JV_Automotive]

@@RoyRiley so ill probably ended wit lh some M9 in the future :)

[@RoyRiley]

@@JV_Automotive totally! I have since cut my hair but am thinking of growing it back now! If you go for an M9 Ensure it has the sensor replaced. Take it easy out there. R Bob

[@ezekielkok1848]

You lost me at going back to canon.

[@RoyRiley]

Often we say things and then do not action the words.. months later and the M9 is still with me. I cannot let go.

[@ezekielkok1848]

I almost sold it twice but once I realized how different the colors were (ccd) and the black and whites were also awesome, I just can’t let go of it now. Yes, it takes a while to write, but it’s damn worth every penny spent

[@RoyRiley]

@@ezekielkok1848 haha! I know what you mean. Also the sharpness is incredible. With my old battered 50mm the pictures just have a sharpness that I love. Take it easy out there. R

[@benconover72]

Another beginner's guide to 'filmic' balls. Bee Gees lol.