Short Treks - re:View

It's more Star Trak discussion! This time, Mike and Rich talk about the current state of Star Trek: Discovery going into season 2, as well as the worthless short films that have been released to keep everyone...interseted? Excited?

[@aenarion21]

"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." Gene Roddenberry

[@brainrunnethout]

Except no orks, so no humor.

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

aenarion21 That’s Heresy!

[@sbs3000]

@@carlosfred8673 They weren't?

[@Jacko91222]

aenarion21 But when will THAT tv show be made? So much potential...

[@blshouse]

"War, war never changes." - Opening line from Star Trek, The Original Series (Remaster by CBS)

[@joshisterrific]

I don't watch Star Trek, but I watch Mike and Rich talk about Star Trek.

[@emil246]

needs imdb page

[@HillcrestGames]

TNG on Netflix and this stuff is about all the Trek I need.

[@travisvwright]

For years now.

[@dangerdan2592]

@@HillcrestGames Same. I also started watching DS9 and I enjoy it as well. That's probably all I'll watch though.

[@grahamhaspassedaway4580]

Good choice, they're the most entertaining thing related to the Trek franchise in years.

[@chrisfoudy3841]

Don’t worry Rich, Julia Roberts is simply jealous. She’s only realized that you have taken her throne as America’s sweetheart.

[@yurihageshi8008]

I certainly think he is a sweetie

[@petemasta99]

He's too sweet, that's why he has crippling diabetes

[@psychonaut1829]

She has let herself go. Rich Evans has looked the same way since he was 12.

[@Draliseth]

@@psychonaut1829 🤣 Thank god for you.

[@redbigun]

Such a horrible, repulsive and disgusting creature... and that creature is horrified by Rich of all people.

[@xoeleox2079]

I love Spock's new horrible beard. It really tells me visually that they both respect and understand the character, and that they aren't desperate in any way.

[@Simp_Zone]

That's not Spock thats Spack, his retarded cousin.

[@Thewrittenwordremain]

It's called Discovery because they are discovering all the things they can explode.

[@j.p.9522]

And rape to death.

[@Ektalon]

Ah, the new Starfleet: travel to strange new worlds, encounter strange new things, meet strange new races, and blow them the fuck up.

[@Axterix13]

@@Ektalon Just think, if they fully committed to that, by making it the mirror universe Terran Empire, it might have caught on. I, for one, would be interested in Star Trek: Terran Empire. I have no interest in Star Trek: Discovery.

[@jamstonjulian6947]

It's called Discovery because they discovered they had no fucking idea what they were doing.

[@mutinyontheark]

I turned 360 degrees and walked away

[@Ammoniumbicarbonat]

Those Tom Cruise Mummy noises get me every time

[@crosseightyeight]

Aah! Aah!

[@johnk.7523]

@@crosseightyeight *AAAAAAHHHHH*

[@Pauly421]

I love the first "augh" lol sounds so cheap. "Free SFX samples vol.1" xD

[@BunnLilah]

​@@johnk.7523 You forgot the audible *inhale* lol

[@TerrenceNowicki]

@@BunnLilah MMm!

[@Gustavo3575]

Star Trek: it’s a torture device for the modern age.

[@InvaderKaz2008]

@@Bowiiihowdy it is only rebooted

[@BunnLilah]

@@InvaderKaz2008 Each reboot selects a storyline at random for the fans to watch, and then evaluate! Which Star Trek is the Best of the Worst?

[@monsieurcondottiero2685]

@@leonardcastelleneta26 i admire your childish naivety

[@L0U_ZER]

It has been torturing us for years....

[@sceplecture2382]

@@monsieurcondottiero2685 Where did you conclude that he was childish or naive?

[@zizoumonk10]

Remember when there was a show called Star Trek: Voyager that actually had a ship called Voyager that voyaged?

[@robertgaudet7407]

Remember when Janeway and Chakotay become hyper-evolved salamanders for just one episode and procreated on some random swamp planet before being rescued and reverted by the rest of the crew? I member.

[@stfanboy]

@@robertgaudet7407 It was Tom Paris actually.

[@robertgaudet7407]

@@stfanboy I'd blanked it from my memory. I preferred having forgot!

[@Roboshi2007]

well voyager was more "returning" that voyaging. I mean it was technically a voyage, but typically voyages are voluntary.

[@jinvid]

Remember B’ellana Torres....mmmmmmm...yummy.

[@NunSuperior]

Meteortite is when it's attached to the ceiling and meteormite is when it's on the ground.

[@consubandon]

When I get that feeling I want Rocks on the ceiling Rocks on the ceiling, oh baby Makes me feel so fine

[@Rick586]

The third form, marmite, is when the meteormite congeals into an unholy atrocity.

[@deathscythehellfunk]

@@Rick586 And when that's digested, you get meteorshite.

[@ParadoxapocalypSatan]

@@deathscythehellfunk Meteorshite from Uranus.

[@millenniumhandandshrimp2610]

Furthermore, shitening is lightning that's so frightening that you shit your pants. Or if it's when fecal matter transitions into an electrical state, i forget.

[@murph2010]

Rich kind of nailed it when he said this is a Star Trek made by people who hate Star Trek.

[@sethzwicker3631]

Amazing how they put that horrible Hack Alex Kurtzman in charge...and he's known for hating Star Trek, no joke. Maybe they decided he can "fix" it with his great track record. The irony is his buddy Orci was always a huge Star Trek fan but he didn'tget the job. Go figure.

[@HiDesert004]

Like how right now Doctor Who is being produced and acted by people who hate Doctor Who.

[@sethzwicker3631]

@@HiDesert004 Like putting Ryan Johnson in charge of Lucasfilm.

[@dangerdan2592]

I have no idea why they put people in charge of directing that hate the subject matter. Is it because they think that the director will take it in a completely different direction? If that's what they want then just make a new series and don't use the name 'Star Trek' for cheap name recognition points.

[@sethzwicker3631]

@@dangerdan2592 Well CBS wants their own streaming service ala Netflix and they figured they'd use Star Trek to rope those suckers in. Kinda like how they created Voyager to spearhead UPN...remember that jewel?

[@zackaccount]

"I got to live long enough for Julia Roberts to be horrified by me" I love you Rich

[@robertbeall9686]

The Red Angel, but it's actually just Q in a red jump suit mooning the Discovery crew in the view screen

[@Peanutdenver]

Now that would be much better than this steaming pile that was regurgitated out of a yak that ate dog eggs.

[@jessica_jam4386]

Will fake hate crime for firewater money janeway’s going to kill the red angel then

[@robertgaudet7407]

That's actually something that might happen in Next Gen.

[@dodojesus4529]

That would make a lot of sense given that Q's can do whatever the Fuck they want

[@jackee-is-silent2938]

Oh, it's nothing that good.

[@davidr2421]

Every time the deep-voiced man says "Short Treks" I want to die.

[@fleshworm]

Trek shorts

[@markvanderhelm4431]

It's called Star Tracks, starring Jean Luc Riker

[@theterrifier2670]

Getting Charlie Day to voice Tom Cruise in The Mummy was a bold artistic choice.

[@m.d.204]

The Gang should make a Mummy sequel

[@gazjones3549]

Bold of them to touch it anyway. The 1999 version still has its charms

[@mmjahink]

@@gazjones3549 not really. I tried watching it the other day (first time in ~20 years) and while it wasn't outright horrible, it was very bleh.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Here's the thing: Season long arks, darker plots and more flawed characters can work on Star Trek, and still be Star Trek. It was called Deep Space 9, and it was way better than this.

[@moustachio05]

Ds9 still had optimism for the future of humanity

[@Gunnar001]

@@moustachio05 DS9 also had, you know, good writing, good characters and intelligent stories. Unlike the STD abomination.

[@moustachio05]

@@Gunnar001 ikr

[@astrayadventurer4450]

Duet an In the pale moonlight.

[@michaelguenot6177]

You need Ronald D Moore, really.

[@JohannDakitsch]

Mike's laugh is both magical and terrifying. It's like being lovingly caressed with sandpaper

[@PlagueOfGripes]

Who else is worried the Picard show will also be schlock, because Stewart is just happy to be having fun making stuff?

[@LegionHimself]

Oh I'm certain of that.

[@DaywalkerNL94]

How much porn did you have to draw to make yourself feel better?

[@Gerelos]

Patrick Stewart is a great actor, but if the writers are as bad as on Discovery, I don't have any faith in the Picard show being any good.

[@TheShoguneagle]

I'd say your accurate with your prediction. STD is pure schlock, and with the same weirdoes running the Picard show, it's going to be more of the same.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Hey I know that guy! TBFP will live on in my heart.

[@infiniteflame2374]

Over the years Star Trek has inspired generations of men and women to get into science. The only thing Discovery inspires is people cancelling their subscriptions.

[@terminalpictures]

Cut to one guy claiming it influenced his decision to research tapeworms.

[@judosailor]

You know one of the things I loved about the older Star Trek shows and movies? It was the slow ship battles. I’m talking stuff like in wrath of khan, which is probably the best example of it. Treated the Star Trek ships like 19th century sailing vessel’s that had to carefully maneuver and aim shots. I loved that. If I want to see ships zooming around like in Star Wars, I will watch Star Wars.

[@1.21Jigawatts]

Absolutely agree. Only good part of Nemesis too.

[@GeorgeMonet]

I hated that in Wrath of Khan. It made no fucking sense. The ships should be so advanced that they can accurately hit each other from across the galaxy as the computer should be in charge of targeting based on predictions of how the enemy ship is going to move. And ships should be constantly jumping into and out of warp to avoid fire. They should also be making more use of the teleporter which would render torpedoes and canons worthless since those could just be sucked up in a teleporter and then turned into energy and fed into the power grid. Since they wouldn't be worried about the safety of the torpedoe or canon fire they are teleporting then they could lock on super fast.

[@dodojesus4529]

@@GeorgeMonet transporters can't lock onto something moving really fast, warping around would cover way to much space to be usable in battle.

[@hohhoch3617]

@@GeorgeMonet Being that it's space, the reality is that these ships ARE engaging each other at long distances. Star Trek itself has mentioned many times how teleporters struggle to lock on to fast moving objects. It still takes time for a ship to make the jump into warp. Time and energy - which takes away from critical systems needed in a fight. Warping away from a fight is done before the fight begins, or as a last resort.

[@daver12591]

@@GeorgeMonet Dude it's Star Trek, you're overthinking it. The space battles were meant to resemble naval battles, just like the ships are run like naval ships. This stuff is part of Star Trek's DNA. Besides that, I'll take a dramatic drawn out battle over just a bunch of shit flying all over the screen any day.

[@Archone666]

I'm surprised they didn't talk about the fact that CBS is being sued over ST:D. For plagiarism. There is an indie video game developer who created a point-and-click adventure game called "Tardigrades" that was greenlit on Steam, quite a bit before the release of ST:D. It is a game about a spaceship and a blonde scientist who communicates with giant blue space bugs to teleport across the galaxy. And ST:D has pulled, from out of nowhere, something about a blonde scientist communicating with... giant blue space bugs... to teleport across the galaxy... (as if they didn't already have wormholes in Star Trek) So far CBS has tried scapegoating a former employer (VERY bad idea which they are now pretending they didn't do, since that meant admitting that plagiarism happened), threatening to countersue, moving for immediate dismissal because , and now... now the case looks to be heading to trial. The judge has said that unless CBS can provide genuine evidence that they didn't plagiarize (as opposed to falsely accusing the plaintiff of claiming to have copyrighted the actual RL species known as tardigrades), this case is proceeding. Also, their attempts to bash the plaintiff fall flat, given that the plaintiff is an Egyptian medical researcher who spends most of his free time caring for his invalid parents and works on video games when he's not at work and his father doesn't need his bedpan changed. The guy checks out pretty much every box on the "sympathy bingo" checklist.

[@medes5597]

Has there been any update on this? I haven't heard anything since January-ish.

[@Outlawstar0198]

@@medes5597 I too am quite curious

[@SevenDeadlyCinema]

@@medes5597 probably settled out of court. star trek got that CBS money

[@medes5597]

@@SevenDeadlyCinema nah, still ongoing. They've tried to settle out of court but the guy has an insanely strong case.

[@kett912]

If anyone wants an update, here it is. The guy's dad died, then a couple weeks later the judge ruled in favor of CBS and the guy basically said he's gonna stop work on his game and think about his life.

[@badaboum2]

Mike literally holding Rich hostage to make more STD videos is a metaphor for Mike figuratively being held hostage by his own Star Trek fandom. Very cool!

[@daevv]

If you pretend the hospital in Grey's Anatomy is a giant medical ship it becomes a better Star Trek show then Discovery.

[@JPP15]

Does this mean that Scrubs is like Star Wars? You have a young apprentice, a princess from Connecticut, a cool black dude, ...

[@LastBankJob]

Hahaha!

[@charlesprice6973]

daevv phantasy star 2 throw back . you played?

[@icemachine79]

Personally, I like to pretend that _Grey's Anatomy_ doesn't exist at all.

[@luiginastro8831]

That's depressing

[@marijnstollenga1601]

'Your show's called Discovery! Stop blowing things up!' ROFL

[@kenknight5983]

This is what it's like to be a Doctor Who fan right now. I've never been a Star Trek fan, but I completely feel your pain.

[@HiDesert004]

Ken Knight at least discovery doesn’t have the wacky fans yelling racism! sexism! If you criticize the show

[@kenknight5983]

@@HiDesert004 Some wacky fans, mostly media and the BBC. The Rotten Tomato scores show that most viewers aren't happy

[@TerranGuy93]

@@HiDesert004 I wish that were true.

[@g13n79]

@@kenknight5983 You can't trust RT.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

This comment was from a year ago and it’s only gotten more relevant. Now the Doctor’s not even a Time Lord anymore and has had a dozen previously unknown regenerations before Hartnell, Gallifrey was blown up again in the most anticlimactic way possible, and the season literally ended with Thirteen looking at the screen and saying “eh, this doesn’t actually change anything, don’t worry about it” before getting kidnapped by a cliffhanger. It’s a shitty knock-off of the Cartmel master plan that ignores and/or straight up retcons all of the stuff that made the Doctor an interesting character to begin with. Star Trek has Picard, which is a ten episode saga of Picard getting berated and called an old man while a bunch of minor characters from previous Trek shows are brutally murdered to prop up the new cast of OCs that aren’t given enough screen time to let us get to know them. Oh and there’s a prophecy of an apocalyptic future caused by robots that an all-female Romulan death cult is trying to prevent, this is treated like a bad thing even though almost every non-Data android shown in Picard are gigantic assholes to everyone. Picard also has a Romulan ninja bodyguard because Alex Kurtzman likes ninjas. And Star Wars is just a gigantic dumpster fire that Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams keep dumping gasoline on because they hope at some point it’ll just magically start being good if they keep telling everyone it’s the best Star Wars content ever made. Oh and none of the original six movies actually matter now because all Anakin and Luke accomplished was slightly delaying Palpatine’s plan for a few decades so the *real* Chosen One, Rey, can come and kamehameha him into hell instantly because the Force is now entirely based on belief in your own goodness and not intense training or natural ability. It’s fantastic, between about half a dozen people, they’ve managed to completely destroy the three greatest science fiction franchises ever, permanent staples of pop culture, by essentially taking a giant shit on them and then saying their self-insert fanfic characters were actually always the real heroes of the story. The original creators just weren’t powerful enough to see that yet.

[@mandycat8]

I saw a promo for Discovery season 2, remembered I still have a cbs all access account, and promptly cancelled it.

[@gondor532]

why didnt you just torrent is?

[@mandycat8]

gondor532 I don’t steal services

[@gondor532]

@@mandycat8 Since studios get billions of dollars of taxpeyers money annualy I dont think its stealing.

[@554466551]

Rich's epitaph right there: "RIP Rich Evans. Died of a broken heart after seeing all his favorite franchises go down in flames. He lived long enough for Julia Roberts to be horrified by him."

[@greatestscott6599]

You either die the Evans, or live long enough for Julia Roberts to see you become the villain

[@AHersheyHere]

8:55 When life gets you down, remember that the Mummy released an ad that was missing the sound most of it’s audio.

[@E100Omega123]

*ugh* *mMMM* *canned screaming*

[@gregortheoverlander4122]

Thanks guys I totally forgot to cancel my CBS prime subscribtion. Thanks for reminding me. Saved me ten smackeroos next month.

[@SumDumGy]

I didn’t forget to cancel mine because I never subscribed. The only Discovery that has been in my life has been the reviews I get to laugh at.

[@isodoublet]

Yar har fiddle dee dee

[@Spicypuff]

Next thing you know a black guy with an eye patch comes out from the shadows and asks the crew to join the Starfleet initiative. Followed by a surprise appearance of Kirk and Picard.

[@casiblume7932]

"He looks like Let It Be Paul McCartney" killed me

[@Pauly421]

It's true though. This isn't spock it's some asshole with a beard

[@bspeers76]

Props to Mike for getting the whole meteoroid/meteor/meteorite thing right.

[@paulclarke8015]

Spock looks like that chick with the beard who won the eurovision

[@stardude2006]

Paul Clarke LOL !!!!!!

[@gordonramsaysexdwarf7186]

Oof...

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

Hell she'd be a better crew member than freakin' not Spock

[@fredlabosch5164]

XP OMG, that's so fucking true...

Conchita Spuck

[@JoshJr98]

Discovery is a star trek show made by a star wars fan and edited by fast and the furious fans

[@missingscrew7953]

Soooooo.... Star Trek Beyond?

[@joelcarson4602]

It's not even that good.

[@Keihryon]

Nah, most Star Wars fans don't like Discovery either.

[@brezelkaiser]

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Berman and Braga.

[@Mehlmo]

Braga went with Orville...

[@MiguelCruz-oz7km]

I guess if we has to pick. But what's David Fincher doing? He does TV. Throw a bunch of money at him to do Star Trek for fucks sake.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

Berman at the very least respected Roddenberry’s vision. Kurtzman Trek is about as far from that as you can get. It’s essentially just Disney Star Wars with a coat of paint, and Disney Star Wars was already missing the point of that franchise, let alone Star Trek.

[@Toybinging]

"What is it with Ricks?"

[@jeremyjohnson8844]

Berman and Braga were greats.

[@jakethejedi7951]

I’d like to personally thank Mike for the lesson in meteors. Very cool. VEEERY COOL.

[@wayner396]

If you guys seriously had a series just taking about Star Trek I would never stop watching it.

[@McChaman]

Mike appears to be channeling The Penguin from the 60's Batman. 15:42

[@taven2264]

why doesn't discovery go and discover something

[@roachdoggjr1940]

It's a MYSTERY!

[@jamessalvatore7054]

@@roachdoggjr1940 Box Full of shit... and nothing else except a tiny letter from Kurtzman and JJ telling us to go fuck ourselves.

[@Toasty_Britches]

Like a good plot?

[@gustavoperezramirez2717]

It has discover how to fuck up royally a franchise that, if well done and on the current TV landscape, could be extremely successful and at the same time really good.

[@TheTaskmaster]

This is the power of math: comets don't travel at light speed because only light can do that

[@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u]

High five!

[@1984bigface1984]

"You're making something for this niche fanbase that specifically does not appeal to this niche fanbase." I wish this were true. They're distorting an existing franchise to appeal to a wider audience and make more dollar. Star Trek has been reduced to the cast running through corridors while ships explode and villains cackle, the stories of Tolkien have been altered to include somersaulting dwarves and skateboarding elves all the while the reanimated corpse of Star Wars stumbles in whatever current direction the winds of social media are blowing. Your interest and passion for things past have been noted and assigned a dollar value. Now all thats left is to grow the market.

[@pyramear5414]

It's backfiring though. They are making a quick buck but burning bridges in the process.

[@neal2399]

I haven’t read something that made me want to kill myself this badly since Dr. Manhattan’s “clock without a craftsman” monologue

[@torresalex]

All so true. Another problem is they're trying to copy Star Wars, even though Star Wars has become utter trash and is losing out to Marvel as a franchise (see how Solo bombed and an average MCU movie like Ant-Man and the Wasp raked in over half a billion). Dark times for trekkies.

[@zorbageek8432]

@@SuperKing604 Why does that matter? I would rather see a niche LOTR that is more intelligently written and truer to the writing than something that is made to cater to the idiot populace. So what you get is writers who clearly didn't understand the material. I will give you some examples. Frodo and Gandalf leave the shire 9 months apart. In the movie they leave together, and when Frodo arrives at Bree, he asks for Gandalf who was heading to Isengard, so unless Gandalf can teleport around the world, why was he asking for him in Bree which is in distance terms relatively close to Hobbiton. Because the so called writers and experts for the story were clueless. How about the transition from Aragon being seen as an threat, to becoming a trusted friend, go watch the movie and see how brilliantly they handled that piece of writing, the transition went from them almost fighting him to cut scene and he is watching over them sleeping! How about the fact that apparently Saruman was responsible for forcing the party into Moria knowing there was a Balrog there (I am sure he wanted the ring to fall into the hands of a Balrog!). Or even better, why is it that during the discussions of entering Moria, with Gandalf and Aragorn, Gimli in a completely opposing position is telling them they will be greeted by a roaring fire and feast? At no point does Gandalf or Aragorn tell him, or he question them on why they were worried about entering Moria? How about the fact that the Orcs of Moria can scale up sheer walls like spiders? it makes holding up in a place like Helm's deep completely useless and the need for a bomb to blow a whole in the wall also pointless Instead of spending time on the building of Aragorn and Frodo's friendship in Bree, or Legolas and Gimli's friendship growing, it is more important to spend time 12 minutes of showing Legolas defy the lore's of gravity fighting a Troll. I could spend hours more writing about how bad they did the storyline, but it's unlikely well ever get a reboot made with enough balls to not dumb it down to the public

[@Esmoxe]

@@zorbageek8432 good luck doing this LotR reboot without ANY appeal to wider audiences. I guarantee your budget won't be enough to make a good Gandalf outfit, much less giving any life to Middle Earth

[@Poopscipade]

If Rich actually was on Ellen, I think America would fall in love with that laugh.

[@murph2010]

I would love a long form re:View of each Star Trek series.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

Well we’re getting 1 hour+ re:Views of Picard, two episodes at a time. Extrapolating from that, a re:View of old Trek would probably be 15-20 hours long per series.

[@GuacamoleKun]

You're not just old men complaining about new stuff just because it's new. I tried watching Discovery, and it was ok but then I got bored. This month I started watching TOS for the first time. I am loving it. It's not good because it's nostalgic, it's good because it's well-written and entertaining. I really, really wish episodic storytelling would come back into fashion. Longform is fine, but not for every single show!

[@olotocolo]

longform is fine for confusing the viewe with flashy bullshit so he/she would forgot what was said at the beginning, yet feel like the show has reached something and has satisfying finale. It is also great for having a lot of dull, uninteresting episodes because you can't skip them and you are alreay watching streamin service. They are cancer and should go to the corner and think about themselves. You need much much more creativity to write gripping episodic show

[@Sora_Halomon]

@@olotocolo famously long form is the chink in the armor in this otherwise perfect show and there are not one million examples of terrible episodic shows that are actively praised. glad we cleared that up.

[@stefl3431]

Mike needs to stop watching Discovery .. he's clearly going insane. He's laughing way to much.

[@illegalclown]

I needed that All Access button a year ago. I too forgot to cancel months ago until the first Short Trek came out. I suddenly remembered I still had it and canceled that day.

[@EvanSol919]

"Stop blowing things up!" That was my favorite line.

[@speier]

I would rather watch the entire run of DS9 for a 12th time than watch Discovery even once.

[@tumbles8350]

And I would rather have a sit down in a chair instead of having hot red pokers jammed into my eyes, and?

[@davistoa]

​@@tumbles8350More like I would rather eat a cake for the 12th time than eat fecal matter even once.

[@64bitcrafts]

Rich is more right than he knows regarding the creator's hating Star Trek. For anyone interested, Midnight's Edge (another youtube channel) does some great videos looking into the state of Trek, and there's probably two big things that will keep things from ever going back to old Trek stylings. A) The executive in charge (I forget the name, but can look it up if anyone actually reads this and is interested) does actively dislike Star Trek. He's been quoted on it, I believe, and he's been in charge of setting the course and finances for things since the early cancellation of Enterprise. B) After multiple company divisions, the rights for creating Star Trek have been split between Paramount/Bad Robot, and CBS, and very messily. Essentially, CBS is only allowed to make TV episodes, but has to do it in such a transformative way that it can in no way be referred to as a copy/ripoff of old Trek, from the visuals to the very themes and tone. So even if there was a will, there's less legal way.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Hey those are my guys! Yeah they do quite a good job trying to keep up with Trek.

[@azraelswrd]

Les Moonves (former CEO of CBS accused of forcing himself on women and who didn't know the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek) is gone but it doesn't look like the ppl in charge have any care or love of Trek either, so it's still boned.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

@@azraelswrd Very boned.

[@ninakore]

You’d think CBS and Paramount would come to some sort of financial agreement for sharing intellectual property. If Discovery really is hamstrung and unable to make many references to the old shows then I can see why that has limited the writers in a huge way.

[@azraelswrd]

@@ninakore It goes back to the feud between CBS and Paramount, namely the people at the top (ie. Moonves and Redstone). That's why there was speculation with Moonves out of the way, that they could work things out but then the Viacom deal hit a snag so I guess we're back to square one.

[@-cosmicrogue-]

As both a Star Wars and Star Trek bigamist, it's disheartening to see the implosion and stagnation of beloved franchises. I guess I'm double divorced now. * sigh *

[@dubuyajay9964]

Sucks don't it?

[@skeletorrobo]

Avatar is now on the single's scene...

[@oldmoviemusic]

Ugh, no one wants you, Avatar! Stop trying to be fetch! YOU'RE NOT FETCH!

[@DarrenSemotiuk]

At least you can still be a proud uncompromised Whovian! ...oh...

[@dvader518]

Personally, I only see the fans imploding. And I’m a Star Trek, Star Wars and Doctor Who polygamist.

[@CephaloG0D]

The Orville: Look at me, I AM STAR TREK NOW.

[@MadScientist512]

The pointless way ships keep spinning is the equivalent of jingling keys in front of a baby; it's incredibly annoying and once you notice it you'll never miss it again, you're welcome. :)

[@actionturnip395]

I mean the creators said outright they wanted to make their Star Trek more like Game of Thrones... that’s about all you need to know.

[@dubuyajay9964]

But Game of Thrones was actually good...at least until they ran out of novels.

[@robertban871]

GoT is a fresh IP, Star Trek was built up over decades and many shows and has alot of expectation associated with its brand, it just feels wrong to take something like that and change it so much rather than simply do what GoT did and take a untapped IP, like say The Old Man's War and go with that, i'd be all over that

[@ericv00]

@@robertban871 To each their own, I suppose. I think more things should get the GoT treatment... like Sesame Street. That program could use a lot more grit, political maneuvering, and death.

[@ericv00]

@@Psycorde I watch RLM. Sarcasm is my natural state.

[@MsAlimajeed]

They can make it like Game of Thrones and still have the Star Trek ideology. In fact if done right it would be an amazing show.

[@doncoyote68]

It feels like youtube rewind. It has that same glossy corporate, "we'll do it because that's what's hip is'nt it" feel to it, with gimmicky one liners and pop music and overdramatic voice overs. Which in fairness is basically all of modern television. That might be it really.

[@doncoyote68]

Actually, as a followup to this comment look up filk. 'Pushing the speed of light' 'hope eyrie' 'everyman minus ten and counting', and imagine if the trailers used those songs instead of pop culture. Hell imagine if we had episodes with stories like 'some kind of hero' or 'darkness' by what's her name julia... or 'merchanters luck' from finity's end for that matter. Though i guess a lot of those songs are already based on books.

[@SylentVoidkeeper]

Björn K But that’s all modern television and movies today, mostly stemming from the success of the Marvel films, who are all about quippy dialogue and pop music. The attention span of nowadays can’t handle anything more than that.

[@publiusventidiusbassus1232]

This is what happened to GOT. First seasons had a sober, serious tone with eloquent dialogue and characters that behaved and reacted appropriately to their settings. Then by the last 3 seasons the dialogue became increasingly quippy and serious characters were now wacky comedic relief 60% of the time.

[@darthmeow1370]

I prefer to call them Shart Treks.

[@belinskiparadox7687]

Mike constantly proves that he knows more about science than he normally lets on whenever he talks about Star Trek

[@luiginastro8831]

He truly is a Scientist Man™

[@stevengibson6567]

‪“Let It Be” Paul McCartney 😂‬ omg I can’t breathe

[@ninjarj1176]

what i don't understand these guys are so popular especially with big youtube celebs watching their vids for example video game dunk, pewdiepie and Ellen. But they don't even have a million subs yet and they've done this for almost 9 years. these guys deserve more

[@HowlFromBeyond]

And their content has been consistent and excellent for all that time. It's really rather impressive.

[@cormoran2303]

Yeah, meanwhile Jack Black releases two tiny videos and BOOM 2 million+ subs

[@123612100]

They're the King's X of KZbinrs in that content creators know they're amazing but most of the general public are too dumb to see it.

[@unlimitededge2689]

Hate to be a hipster but I'm sorta glad they're still small, it's nice having this little niche group of fans than just... everyone

[@banjaxedandscrewed]

PewDiePie watches Red Letter Media?

[@dickbison]

Mike's laughter at 15:25 made my day

[@radiokjd8227]

4:30 Mike trying to break Rich "The birthday boy" Evans: THE RED ANGEL OF DOOM IS COMING... IT'S JUST LIKE THANOS

[@makani9004]

I'm very glad to be part of Redlettermedia's nitch fan base.

[@thepickles8833]

Niche fan bases are the best

[@royblekman8186]

Thread Bomb Bless you.

[@SuperChunk19]

@@thepickles8833 I haven't seen you since the Dark Souls 3 play through

[@tyfoster1599]

Ya this fan base is great!

[@SuperChunk19]

"I'm so proud of this community"

[@mackdebruin999]

I guess if the meteorite doesn't hit anything, it's called a "Meteor-wrong"!!!

[@Kris_A]

But if there are two of them at once... well, two 'rites don't make a wrong.

[@GregorCaliber]

CARLOS!!

[@mackdebruin999]

@@GregorCaliber Omg, I didn't think anyone would remember that from Magic School Bus lol. You win all the points!!!

[@MrAlcazar]

Nice!

[@FyberOptic]

I've had my brother, my girlfriend, and even a soldier with a prosthetic leg at a Trek panel at a comic convention try to tell me to watch this show. I just can't do it.

[@MrKajithecat]

I liked watching Mike and Rich talk about Star Trek so much I started watching Star Trek because I was so curious about what they were talking about, so there you go.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Did you enjoy the Star Trek you watched? I wonder how many people there are out there who started watching Star Trek because of listening to Rich and Mike complain about how bad NuTrek is?

[@KumaPaws376]

Niche Evans

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Star Wars is WW2 in space. Star Trek is Hornblower in space. Everything stems from this; differences in style, in fanbase. It's also why both Star Wars and Star Trek have been destroyed by modern iterations - both franchises have forgotten these roots. The old Star Wars movies were war films, with some fantasy adventure stuff thrown in. The old Star Trek shows were idealistic nautical adventures. The new stuff, in both cases, is just... action. The historical element - the nostalgia that drew us to these franchises in the first place - is gone completely, because the modern Star Trek and Star Wars writers and directors never actually knew what the franchises were about, and carried across only the most superficial elements.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

@@dragonknightleader1 Oh totally, that's what I'm always saying to people. The tone was right. If you stripped the sci-fi elements of Rogue One, you'd basically have The Guns of Navarone. And the frustrating thing is... there was so much potential, if they'd kept this historical element. The new trilogy didn't need to actually be war movies; given that RoTJ ended with the destruction of a super weapon and the collapse of the Empire... the new trilogy could have been post-war spy thrillers; there could have been a sci-fi Cold War, with everyone trying to build their own super weapons and become the new big power - imagine a Star Wars version of... The Ipcress File, or Tinker Tailor, or hell, they could have even made some "James Bond in Star Wars" type franchise with a new spy protagonist traveling from one exotic planet to another. But no. They managed to simultaneously copy all the plot elements from A New Hope, while failing to actually implement them in a way that captured the war movie feel.

[@MLB9000]

So basically, recursive replication errors

[@jimbopumbapigsticks]

Doesn't that just mean that Star Trek is the Napoleonic Wars in space?

[@DeusImperium]

I thought Star Trek was Wagon Train in space.

[@roebuckmckinney]

@@DeusImperium That's BSG.

[@Lazarus178]

A comet's tail is actually visible in space, since it's caused by the ejection of volatile gasses under the influence of solar radiation, not by burning up in the atmosphere. Of course, a comet's tail doesn't actually follow in the comet's path, but lies parallel to the direction of the sunlight.

[@legitbeans9078]

Truly.

[@cratonorogen9208]

That’s more science than contained in all Star Trek since 2009.

[@Wilburgur]

15:25 me when rlm rips into bad shows / movies

[@OctoMatoe]

They do have legendary laugh

[@cormoran2303]

25:35 considering Saru's species were bred to be livestock would that not make him 'Cowpernicus'?

[@aBoogivogi]

You should be higher up :)

[@AlphonseZukor]

Corny and entertaining at the same time, well done sir.

[@scottv5587]

good stuff

[@fearhungerpride]

Very mooving

[@isaned]

That's very MOOOOOving

[@Goldengolfer330]

The CBS all access announcer sounds like the announcer from the cheeesy burger commercial for the wayback burger coupon they got in the plinkett review

[@Petey90112]

I love how the answer to Julia Roberts question "Who thought THAT was a good idea?" is "Nanu"

[@kellenbigman]

That comment on Chinese rockets aged like fine wine 🍷

[@Zisteau]

So Short Treks ripped off Red Dwarf?

[@lawrencerinehart5747]

Smegheads.

[@Erik-co6of]

More like the "Red king", a Star trek novel

[@user-uj4os7pk2g]

*slaps Tap Light several times*

[@vaughnmonroejr.7122]

Lister always put his finger in and tasted the goo!

[@TheSkepticalPanda]

If it doesn’t have the banging theme music no dice! 🎼 Well, it’s cold outside, there’s no type of atmosphere 🎶

[@cormoran2303]

As someone outside the US there is only one way I can watch the short Treks: *Illegally* Not a single free-to-air/cable station wants them, nor do any of the online subscription services. Not even Netflix wants them and they bankrolled season 1! That's not the sign of a successful series.

[@medes5597]

Netflix UK says they're coming late Jan/early February

[@cormoran2303]

@@medes5597 Oooh interesting, considering what I've heard so far of the pricing for the Short Treks I'd love to know what price they eventually lowered it to (or if they went with any price at all) EDIT: Might I ask where you saw that? From what I'm reading that's just Season 2 with no mention of the short Treks. Netflix paid for season 2 as part of their original deal with CBS, these short trek things would be an added cost for them.

[@josi4749]

Egotastic Fun Time had synopsis videos of the Short Treks episodes, which was good enough for me. Terrible writing made into hilarious parody. ;)

[@onpoc]

"That Short Trek episode reminds me of an episode of Star Trek..."

[@TylerNorCal]

Rich was on fire this episode.

[@clearmountain28]

But Rich, star trek already has a supervillain. He is called the Alex Kurtzman! (Ominous music and a lightning strike in background)

[@clearmountain28]

I seriously think, at this point he has hurt Star Trek as much as Rick Berman

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Kurtzman! Nananananaa Cursedman!

[@jimhag7822]

THE WORLD IS CHANGING

[@carrot656]

This. i just wish people would focus more on blaming kurtzman instead of the series and the actors for discoverys shortcomings

[@poisondamage2182]

*war horns in the distance* *fog*

[@benbalko2656]

You can see their childhood dying in their eyes.

[@JunkerBunker]

I call them “Shreks” for short

[@ElectricChaplain]

I mean really maybe we should let franchises DIE. It's astonishing to see companies with their infinite copyright over franchises making them slowly worthless not because the story becomes less relevant, but because they can't let shit die and lose track of what was so good in the first place. You know how we can escape remake hell? Shorten these copyrights.

[@MrBurtbackerack]

Should have just called it Shreks.

[@cormoran2303]

Some are going with Shortbus Trek

[@marcgorter8651]

Sharts

[@cormoran2303]

@@marcgorter8651 That wins!

[@MrBurtbackerack]

@@cormoran2303 Isn't that the bus Mike uses to get from set to set?

[@Alan1701b]

LMAO

[@richardtheconquerer]

I'm not familiar at all with the plot of season 2 so when they first showed the clips on here, my initial thought was "wow, who is that with the worst beard ever" then near the end they mention it's Spock and that just blew me away. Imagine looking at that monstrosity at a screen test and saying "that's it, that's the look we want"

[@onisnikalos54]

the soyboy bugman look are allegedly appealing to 57 genders

[@-snek.]

@@onisnikalos54 what did he mean by this?

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

What sucks is that Zachery Quinto basically nailed Young Spock already. Say what you will about the Kelvin trilogy, at least they casted it great. I have no idea how we went from that to the guy they found for STD Young Spock. And to make matters worse, the Romulan villain on Picard looks *way* too similar to him. Why?

[@jasonfenton8250]

@@onisnikalos54 Why did you decide to shit on the trans community for no reason, or the ridiculous caricature you believe it to be, when nobody brought it up? Does the existence of people who don't abide by the gender binary upset you that much?

[@PyrokineticFire1]

@@jasonfenton8250 that comment doesn't "shit on the trans community" you're exaggerating. you're not spokeperson for all trans people. is the "shit" that the number of genders is incorrect or the way spock was described as "soyboy bugman" or do you find this spock so ugly that attraction to him in an insult? are you simply reacting to the implications that such a diverse community would have uniform preferences/attractions? that's clearly an over-generalization, and i'll agree... but it's not an insult.

[@simplefatkid9971]

You know the current state of dr who is similar . But no one watches that show anymore so that’s good

[@ALEXANDER1318]

Problem is that the Brits keep pouring billions of pounds into the BBC through the television licence scam, so the BBC doesn't care about viewer numbers. They'll just keep making shit.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

Doctor Who was bad when you wrote this, but now it’s literally an unsalvageable dumpster fire. Say what you will about Moffat, at least he never retconned the Doctor’s entire backstory into the dumbest and most incomprehensible storyline ever, rewrote the entire origin of the Time Lords to make the Doctor the source of all regeneration, added at least a dozen pre-Hartnell incarnations of the Doctor, and then they blew up Gallifrey again. All to explain why the Doctor hallucinated a bunch of weird faces in the Brains of Morbius, a story that predates even the twelve regeneration limit being introduced and was generally considered a weird oddity by fans and mostly ignored like a lot of super early Who lore is. It’s going to take literally an entire decade of cleanup work to get this series back into something watchable, and Chibnell is still signed for at least one more season. Oh well, at least the Doctor’s a woman now, and they mentioned a few random one shot characters were gay, so that totally makes up for obliterating fifty-seven years of well-established lore in half a season, right?

[@korubi_eCSTatic]

Nathan2055 that is absolutely dire

[@simplefatkid9971]

Nathan2055 I’m convinced the show is on its last legs finally.

[@macsmith2013]

@@Nathan-kk6lb Oh boy, I'm so happy now I stopped watching after the first Jodie Whittaker episode.

[@BOBXFILES2374a]

Good analysis. Like Marina Sirtis tweeted, "I will never pay money to watch Star Trek!"

[@JustinY.]

Jesus guys you haven't uploaded since last year it's been a while.

[@komminilsen3900]

Sub to pewds

[@PuddingRat]

Based but bluepilled

[@thejourney2point0]

delete your account

[@launchpending]

I saw your vid with Nexpo, it's cool that you're both everywhere and approachable

[@User-ge7ni]

Justin Y. Fuck u

[@Veeo669]

Star Trek lied to me! I'm a woman and I'm neither royalty, smart nor am I an inventor of science.

[@dubuyajay9964]

I guess you're not "woke" enough... 🤔

[@SumDumGy]

Discovery lied to you by claiming to be Star Trek.

[@MrDemomanman]

Well hopefully Star Trek wont also tell people that your first name is ashley

[@billyfitzgerald3442]

In regard to the shooting star thing, I'm tempted to point this out to the writers and I expect one of two things to happen: 1. They respond by saying, "Neeerrrrd!" 2. They make me the head writer and ask, "Can you teach us how to brain?" I'll let you guys know in a few weeks if I just picked up a seven figure salary.

[@Adam-nc6qg]

Sooooo, how did it go?

[@juergen4ever]

@@Adam-nc6qg murdered by CBS

[@Poopscipade]

I would totally be up for an actual Rich and Mike Star Track podcast.

[@trevorclabaugh4339]

That would just be a longer, unedited version of what we’re getting already.

[@Melkor235]

Rich Evans laugh makes my day better

[@davidkeys4284]

Yes, it's great.

[@ShoRyuBarbie]

Spock looks like he walked out of some kind of cheap fan film, wtf?

[@djackson4657]

fans know that Spock is yellow with a green tint,he has green blood not red

[@kitteneyejo]

god mike and rich's laughs are so strange and delightful sometimes

[@Nat3_H1gg3rs]

I watch these over and over and LARP that society isn't crumbling and that our culture is gonna be ok.

[@hackintosh3899]

Star Trek is made by people who hate Star Trek. Star Wars is made by people who hate Star Wars. This was probably filmed by someone who hates cats. What a time to be alive.

[@codyw1]

Doctor Who is made by people who hate Doctor Who. And all of these franchises are made by people who hate these franchise's actual fans. Welcome to 2020.

[@HughMansonMD]

Damn, as a comic book fan reading this really made me feel nothing...absolutely nothing.. I haven't felt anything since 2015..

[@boomanchu2]

And JJ Abrams will get to poop on Superman for his trifecta of destroying three franchises.

[@akiman9368]

32:34 When I find myself in times of trouble, Mike and Rich came to me. Speaking words of wisdom, "I've canceld my CBS all access account".

[@TheBigYC]

I'm here because Rich keeps knowing what Star Trek Discovery is going to do, like showing Pike getting injured in another episode or how the Discovery will develop AI and there is time travel involved in this video.

[@folonrng]

Oh jeez how right Rich was. "I think this trailer is the future of Star Trek. Stupid Drama and Explosions."

[@monumettle3144]

I'm fInding it more and more amusing that Star Trek Online is the most we are ever going to get out of some form of post Star Trek: Nemesis continuity.

[@thedreadpirate3454]

It really is the best real Star Trek content that's out there if you want new adventures. We had the IDW comics for a minute to but they canceled them apparently after Star Trek Beyond didn't do so well.....which was actually really good and underappreciated.

[@biggles1852]

I love how the STO storyline for Discovery is "kill Klingons". Sure, I can do that. It's called PvE.

[@werideatdusk]

are you unaware of the Picard series?

[@thedreadpirate3454]

@@biggles1852 lol pretty much.

[@thedreadpirate3454]

@@werideatdusk We're aware. Mike and Rich have talked about it before. No telling if it's going to be any good yet. We can only hope, but I'm having a hard time being optimistic with how brain dead Hollywood is on how to make good content. Let's hope it's good and the idiots in the industry eventually learn their lesson. Unless your talking about novels. Yeah, there's a bunch of really good novels that take place after Voyager.

[@dsmvfl363]

Rich Evans is the first ever perpetual meme. He was a meme twice independently and then concurrently.

[@conchobar]

Black Mirror's USS Callister is the best Star Trek content I've seen in years.

[@LilyoftheLake14]

Actually, that episode had a really hopeful ending. I dug it, too. It was a good character study with an interesting concept. Easily my favorite episode of season 4. The rest of season 4 is... iffy. Black Mirror has gone down the shitter but I think USS Callister is a bright spot in the muck.

[@oliverklosov5153]

32:30 Spit beer at "looks like Let It Be Paul McCartney". LOL!! Spot on!

[@Davvg]

Maybe it should have been called Star Trek: Challenger?

[@JohnBaker-ki8vw]

Man, that's cold . . . and funny . . . and cold . . .

[@matthayward7889]

Davvg Star Trek: Columbia

[@isodoublet]

Star Trek Atlantis. They find an old Preserver city and the series follows their adventures as they explore the lost technoology.

[@EuroRhodes]

@@isodoublet and completely rip off stargate plotlines while they're at it.

[@isodoublet]

@@EuroRhodes Of course. Do you want them to actually write something that's never been written before!?