This gaming mouse weighs 23 grams! - Zaunkoenig M1K

[@OkamioftheRinnegan]

The secret is to make it so unergonomic that you just won't use it, thus making it effectively weightless

[@a.millernephithegood]

Except the weight of regret.

[@seangalderisi6233]

@@a.millernephithegood which is far heavier than any mousr

[@hannthenan]

@@seangalderisi6233 Latom

[@cdcroc]

This

[@nslouka90]

They’ve removed nearly all the features that are used in computers today that it makes your productivity tank the moment you use it so you’ll end up just switching back to ole reliable.

[@steelscooter]

You could take the PCB out of the mouse and super glue it to your palm for an even lighter mouse. Wrap the cable round your wrist when not in use. 😉

[@kushiro6302]

check out the r/mousereview subreddit i saw a post yesterday just like that lol

[@DwAboutItManFr]

I am planning to make a mouse that had no base and the pcb is also the structure, with a tiny lens it could be refosed to work from a distance.

[@happinessiskey2858]

That's some true dedication right there. Haha!

[@supernenechi]

Take out the PCB and make that a standalone unit. A cable connects the sensor and buttons to the PCB and voila.

[@Zarrex]

"The best gaming mouse wouldn't have a scroll wheel" is the biggest cope I've ever heard, I would never in a million years buy a mouse without a scroll wheel and I play FPSs lol

[@JwFu]

Need that wheel to Bhop

[@marcd5838]

there is already a version 2 with a scroll wheel

[@tonylarose4842]

@@marcd5838 $299 Euro

[@marcd5838]

@@tonylarose4842 ik but carbon fibre is expensive. They said that the production costs are around 150€. They 3d print it in their garage

[@Stonegolem6]

If you watch the whole video you'll see he walks back that particular statement.

[@kyleroderick2334]

David: "I don't really need a scroll wheel." Also David: immediately tries to scroll.

[@metalvideos1961]

we all have seen the video

[@SRC267]

Reminds me of the r/mousegore subreddit

[@nggts825]

Ahh yeah the Internet, what a disturbing place.

[@AKrasavin]

Thanks for opening my eyes on this

[@monke5198]

Hmm what

[@tiagobelo4965]

That was one amazing place

[@GoetheNorris]

I need to bleach my eyes

[@Nerdfighter1123]

"My brain is connected to my hand" - brilliant

[@adaskalov]

Beat me to it

[@saisai1001]

I was searching for this comment 😂

[@ccleadge]

but you forgot the "i feel like" at the start.

[@pixels_per_inch]

I think he meant: "I feel like my brain is directly connected to the computer"

[@tanujrana8490]

Time stamp or didn't happen

[@needmorebeans]

I don't, but I think heaps of FPS players use the scroll wheel for jumping and b-hopping.

[@millsjonah]

And in speedrunning you map all sorts of things to the scroll wheel. Like in Mirror's Edge you use it for jumping and interact

[@Tom-ty3zg]

If you watch the whole video you'll hear that he walks back on that particular statement

[@dirtyred2000]

Yeah I used the scroll wheel religiously for b hopping in apex, and weapon cycling. Warzone I use it for swaps and my side buttons are melee and a slide cancel key. This mouse is not aimed at fps players it's just a pretty piece of e waste unfortunately

[@Code-n-Flame]

I do as well. And it’s a bad habit in games like Apex or other arena shooters like Quake where you’re shooting and jumping at the same time. If you’re clicking to jump, you’re not shooting. A bad habit. A bad habit I cannot break 😂🤣

[@_NaLo_]

It's also great for abilities that can be spammed. I use it for Zenyatta's orbs in Overwatch. If I know there's an enemy around the corner I can just scroll down until they walk around the corner. That way they get hit with a discord orb as soon as they come into view.

[@luigiymario2xd]

"the perfect mouse would have no scroll wheel" dude, I can't live without scroll wheel even less without side buttons as I just now gotten used to them and cringe every time there's none

[@unknownuser3736]

When you don’t have your mouse and instinctively press that „back“ button when you are using a browser 😂

[@AlexTheStampede]

What do you even need side buttons for? I have a Razer Lancehead and never use them. Now, true that back in the day when the Logitech MX 1000 was brand new and I used a Mac I did use all 8 buttons every single day, but on Windows... right, left, scroll and mid. Also the mid one just because I use 3d software, otherwise I wouldn't need it

[@DoctorX17]

I can live without a scroll wheel, but I sure as hell don’t want to

[@jannik6147]

fr even if you dont use it in game you somethimes need it is menus etc. and no side buttons is plain stupid. why wouldnt you want to use the tumb which isnt used otherwise?

[@DoctorX17]

@@jannik6147 I use the side buttons on my Logitech G602 constantly for video editing and other tasks. And most of my other mice at least have forward/back buttons, which I love

[@Haargeroya]

This video should have been done by one of the guys that plays Tarkov. No scroll wheel is absolutely insane. Also holy hell the price

[@tylerboyd5776]

Wait how much is it?

[@Haargeroya]

@@tylerboyd5776 300 USD

[@SleepyFen]

​@@Haargeroya Jesus christ.

[@netronet1383]

@@Haargeroya The MK I is not even available any more and the new one, the MK II is 299 Euros. So 350 USD. I think the MK II has a scroll wheel though. Also, the warranty is 2 years, I would hope for more of a warranty at that price.

[@Haargeroya]

@@netronet1383 I mean.....Cool? I was just going off of the video. The price is displayed at 8:43

[@MrVoonix]

The mouse in the video isn't sold anymore (M1K). There is a new version (M2K). It includes a mouse wheel, weights 24g and costs 299€.

[@walkinmn]

Weird they didn't even mentioned it

[@CanopusInfinity]

That price can't be justified under any condition.

[@socialnetjerk]

@@CanopusInfinity its handmade out of Carbonfiber and its 100% made in germany

[@joeljustin]

@@walkinmn Probably because LMG group releases videos based on a release timeline. Often the videos that get uploaded today were shot weeks or even more than a month ago.

[@pawanyadav9854]

@@CanopusInfinity this is probably for a very very niche audience. Like esports player who want a super light mouse and are ok with this shape

[@Sinaeb]

"As I mostly play FPS I am the target audience" except for the whole scroll wheel actually being useful being people can't develop a way to scroll without a scrollwheel

[@whatskraken3886]

tf does this mean

[@Tom-ty3zg]

If you watch the whole video you'll hear that he walks back on that statement

[@djhokage1]

Have you ever *not* used the scrollwheel? There are lots of other convenient ways to scroll without the scrollwheel.

[@Sinaeb]

@@djhokage1 My mouse's scroll wheel is broken bruh.

[@Pichipieify]

I use it to bhop

[@DaRUde117]

Imagine wrist flicking that thing. You'd send it flying to the next room XD

[@Anti3D-0]

nah, it's too light to have enough momentum after being flicked to move outside of the table

[@aaronchin2199]

Why is this man trying so hard to convince me that a mouse doesn't need more than 2 buttons. I play mostly FPS games and I use 6 of the buttons on my mouse regularly.

[@Real28]

To me, any functions I can put on the mouse reduces unnecessary movements on my left hand on the keyboard.

[@neoqueto]

even if you select weapons on the keyboard there are other useful buttons on a mouse such as the sniper button or simply just changing DPI on the fly

[@lp0101]

@@neoqueto God no, I don't know anyone who's actually good at FPS who would change DPI on the fly, that just fucks with your muscle memory

[@sweetsamuel2390]

@@neoqueto the only game that I've ever found it useful to change dpi on the fly was Ace Combat 7 to compensate for slow turns on the heavier planes, other than that its not a help

[@imadecoy.]

@@neoqueto I would never change the DPI on my mouse. I leave it at 1600 and adjust every game to the same sensitivity. Messing with DPI ruins any chance of successful flick shots.

[@ethancooper1056]

how do you guys keep finding new places to put that Linus face, it cracks me up everytime

[@pyditn]

But doesn't a good gaming mouse need to be at least an ok mouse in general? There are some situations when you really need a mouse wheel while not gaming but still using a mouse.

[@Stonegolem6]

He walks that statement back later in the video after using it a bit.

[@michaelscott7258]

Also almost all FPS need mwheel for optimal performance (jumping, bhopping, etc.)

[@djhokage1]

Can you give me an example where you particularly HAVE to use the scrollwheel and can not just use your keyboard?

[@caseymurray7722]

@@michaelscott7258 I mean not really, bhoping isn't really worth it but yeah this thing is still pointless.

[@pyditn]

@@djhokage1 I for example would hate to not have a scroll wheel for navigating lange PDFs, Text documents, etc. where you need to jump around a lot. It's of course possible to do that with a keyboard, but a mouse wheel is literally designed for that purpose.

[@namarrkon]

"The best gaming mouse wouldn't have a scroll wheel" Scroll Jumpers: -_-

[@nephatrine]

Why would you jump with the scroll wheel?

[@sohilellabban4869]

@@nephatrine for speed running, look at mirrors edge speedruns for example it helps them execute jumps faster.

[@louek1203]

@@nephatrine did u never play csgo?

[@bins1]

@@nephatrine because scroll wheel has a faster input response than the spacebar. It helps you to bunny hop much effectively in FPS games.

[@anoszymekk7760]

Space gang

[@tweaK220987]

Anyone in Germany just watch this product on Die Höhle der Löwen? Literally 10 mins ago... Crazy.

[@lenadx1724]

Natürlich 😎

[@lenadx1724]

Aber die kamen im Nachhinein doch nicht zusammen

[@Time4Technology]

Ein Scheiß dass das Teil versucht wurde dort jemandem anzudrehen...

[@imadecoy.]

@M. de k. I thought they were telling der Lowen to die in a hole.

[@klausbachmann5321]

Klar. Hätte mich auch noch über ein tolles Angebot bei QVC gefreut, aber da ging es nur über Kuchen.

[@josephdattola7497]

I am impressed they made the lightest mouse ever and out of carbon fiber, but man it looks so uncomfortable. Lighter isn't always better. Especially at the cost of being uncomfortable when using it.

[@imadecoy.]

Lighter is always better for aim, it's just a question of how much you're willing to sacrifice for that.

[@shreshtajaiswal7415]

@@imadecoy. I'm seeing you have a misconception as you're typing the same thing everywhere. Lighter is always not the best. Anything below 40 grams(Even 50 for some people tbh) messes up your aim. Even for fps games.

[@imadecoy.]

@@shreshtajaiswal7415 Source? There's no logical reason that would make sense

[@socialnetjerk]

I have the m1k and using it for 8 month now.....i like it but i can umderstand that its not a product for eveyone for some games ist rly nice like lol or starcraft but for other games not rly....those guys who make the mouse are ex starcraft pro Players so i get why they invented a light mouse

[@scorcher117]

@@imadecoy. And what is your "Logical reason" that lighter is always better. Sounds like bullshit someone said years ago and people believed it for some reason.

[@sirflimflam]

I still can't get behind really light mice. It just...feels off not having any weight behind my strokes.

[@michaelscott7258]

Yeah I play low sense and high weights, so I can flick my hand across my desk and get a workout meanwhile lol

[@ebsolas]

I agree, but then again I use a logitech G602 with 2 AAs

[@trash3570]

I feel like everyone says this till they actually play with a light mouse for more than a week

[@michaelscott7258]

@@BLNKT. hell yeah would be lit

[@sijedevos2376]

Same I use a g502 with most weights still in and it’s perfect

[@ItsSavvo]

Well thats it folks. We have reached peak gimmick right here. Weve gone from super heavy gimmick mice to super light gimmick mice

[@VochtigePizza]

In their defence, this is probably just a project as a proof of concept and to get a feel for the market and general reactions. I don't think they expect this product to take over the industry by storm but they are innovating in a safe way by making it a Kickstarter.

[@jaykera]

@@VochtigePizza also it’s a finger tip neiche mouse but the reviewer isn’t that deep into mice so he tried to claw grip it lol

[@Z3t487]

It costs 300 euro, tax included. The available version has a wheel as well and you don't need drivers or software to run it at 8000 Hz.

[@ba2hln14]

tax included? oh good. The cost is justified

[@Squink13]

Zaunkoenig announced the M2K which is 1 gram heavier but includes a scroll wheel in the design

[@marcd5838]

Just saw the guys on TV and now there is a review on ShortCircuit .... nice

[@Daveprotence]

Coincidence? I think not.

[@marcd5838]

@@Daveprotence yeah but still, the founders were on the German shark tank TV show and seeing them on this channel is crazy, they literally come from the city I live in

[@Daveprotence]

@@marcd5838 Yeah I know, I watched it too. :D

[@jakefarmer]

Should've said mice

[@SuperDonald2013]

Yea, it was so fcking surprising to see them on TV, after I tracked their project for such a long time.

[@whatiskensworth]

What makes a mouse like this feel so responsive is that the sensor placement is much closer to your fingers. If you're claw/hybrid you put a lot of your precision in finger movement, so there's less compensation to be made than in the typical sensor placement being more palm-centered. I hacked the backend off an old R.A.T. 1 awhile back and had a pretty similar experience to what this is. Very precise, very light, very hand crampy, lol.

[@labu5605]

Just came from their presentation on one of the largest German TV stations. Crazy to see them here

[@NilsS-ew8ph]

Did I miss something? I'm from Germany too.

[@labu5605]

@@NilsS-ew8ph Do you know the show "Die Höhle der Löwen"? Every monday starting at 8:15pm on Vox

[@NilsS-ew8ph]

@@labu5605 yeah, i did. But I thought there just presenting concepts. And I heard of this mouse a few months ago, and thought now it is released. [Also I didn't know they do stuff like mice]

[@labu5605]

@@NilsS-ew8ph It's an investment show. Founders come in and present their innovations and business models and after that the 5 investors can ask questions and offer them a deal.

[@NilsS-ew8ph]

@@labu5605 oh, ok never watched It before. Can u recommend it?

[@ReiEvangelista]

I like some weight on my mouse. I feel like I'm the only one anymore.

[@oliverer3]

I also prefer heavier mice, but I guess it's bad for your wrist, and if you're the type of person that likes low DPI and have to move the mouse long distances a lighter mouse might be better.

[@msmit1999]

Yea, i love the g502 but so many people say it's too heavy, it's like 5 times this mouse in weight lol

[@grngoat8839]

@@oliverer3 Larger mice aren't heavy enough to have a noticeable effect on your wrist. The shape of the mouse will be far more important than it's weight.

[@2slowpoke929]

@@grngoat8839 eh I liked the G502 but after using the Model O the difference was night and day but I’m pretty small

[@buffdogg]

Not the only one. I wasn't heavier phones, mice, you name it

[@protectme4278]

All I hear is excuses lol. It sounds like me describing my Palm phone :P

[@gibbsfreenthalpy]

anyone else remembering an era not that long ago where you got little weights with your mouse to artificially make them heavier? Wow, how things have changed ... :)

[@pepapu7112]

Just like sports car is for going fast and vans are big for moving stuff. Different weight mouses suits different use cases.

[@evanteneralli6295]

@KoraKu idk try a 43g wireless mouse on low sense and everything changes I promise

[@matezz397]

"gaming mouse" "can't even hold it properly" Choose one.

[@ivory8956]

Its meant only for finger tip if you couldnt tell not gonna defend the price or anything def unique though

[@thomasmundy9398]

So glad I know the specs of that monitor - 360Hz, 1080p

[@Toby_Q]

Yep, I can't stop staring at it. Please move the sticker to the other side next time!

[@evildead2002]

Agree. Love the idea but I think I’d like that material in a more standard mouse shape.

[@nudl3Zz]

I think it's pretty pointles

[@krenotenze]

Give it a back piece that can be detached perhaps to make it more ergonomic and I'd get on board. Side button would be really good.

[@ash36230]

"No scrollwheel, no sidebuttons" Ah I see this minimalism trend of adding more clicks to do stuff has hit mice now. Seriously. the 90s want their mouse back. At least some of those had a middle button

[@tomhsia4354]

Apple wants a word with that.

[@brunoglopes]

7:28 yeah, that’s pretty much how moving any part of your body works lol

[@MrMaclane01]

Mouse Company: Let’s make the light mouse ever Me: This mouse is too light, ima put the 20 gram weight in on a already heavy mouse

[@HimmelWeint]

Must be the G502

[@MrVlodato]

I think you should get someone in the shop to print a piece that supports your palm and glue it to the mouse. like a crutch for your palm. it wouldnt weigh more then a couple of grams.

[@ingemarhellsten7809]

Its not ment to be a claw/palm mouse. Its solely for fingertip, hence the shorter body

[@Jppnametaken]

Maybe the next step is to have the sensor on the mousepad and have the mouse just be a super lightweight ergonomically shaped object that the mousepad tracks.

[@theraccoonasaur3282]

Just have it track your hand. That’s the ultimate gaming mouse.

[@toorimakun]

My perfect mouse: Buttons: 3 buttons on the top where my fingers rest with the scroll wheel at the front just out of reach of where my fingers rest, two mini buttons just behind where my finger rests on the middle mouse button, 5 buttons on the left side with the middle button right where my thumb rests and firm enough that I can pick up the mouse with out accidentally clicking it, 2 buttons on the other side of the mouse with dead space where my finger rests so I can pickup the mouse with out clicking one of the buttons while keeping all the buttons there nice and light for clicking. (profile selection button on the bottom of the mouse) Longevity: detachable USB C so it can be replaced, non-sautered replaceable mouse buttons (like cherry mx keys but for mouse), non-sautered replaceable LEDs and the screws NOT under the glide pads. (could offer a cheap replaceable board.... but the idea is to create little e-waste and to be able to keep a reliable board if that is the case - having access to a new board is also a must if the board dies as well) Back light: As the LEDs should be replaceable, it would be good to be able to use either a cheaper one color LED or a programmable RGB LED. (though I'm not sure if as a single bulb mount that is possible) Also allow to turn off/on the breathing effect... I personally hate breathing LEDs.... but I guess they wouldn't be a thing if no one liked it. separate LED colors for each profile so you can tell at a glance what profile the mouse is using - clearly anyone using single color LED bulbs wouldn't be able to take advantage of this, but that is the price you pay for being cheap. (could probably have a single RBG LED under the mouse icon or something) Other: As light as possible, good sensors and long lasting buttons. Sadly very very likely just spent a lot of time on a comment no mouse maker will ever see........

[@ahadmrauf]

Doesn't a tiny mouse like that cramp your hand after a while? It barely reaches halfway down your palm! Edit: just saw 5:15

[@bzk9616]

You do not palm the mouse you fingertip of claw it.

[@felixvoytier9631]

this kind of mouse is made for a claw grip (were you grip it with only your fingers and not your palms) Edit: It does looks uncomfortable tho i agree

[@bigchief9313]

This thing looks like a terrible experience. The only use case is for the most intense people. The size would make it unbearable.

[@pongopea]

the scroll version might be a go for me, but no scroll is absolutely a dealbreaker even for me who only plays fps games with a mouse and anything else I just use a controller

[@mcmadness110]

The mk2 has scroll.

[@pongopea]

@@mcmadness110 I know

[@JoshuaG]

i managed to remove a large metal chunk on my mouse when i disassembled it, doesn't connect to anything , now its much more lighter :D...

[@BoSaGuy]

Title: on boxing the world’s lightest gaming mouse Me: **Sees thumbnail** Me: Is that a fucking cheese shredder thing?

[@buffdogg]

I wasn't sold from the beginning. Then he said the price and I laughed. That is ridiculous. Good luck staying in business.

[@fonkbadonk2957]

The German Z is a hard sound, a bit like "ts". Btw: The Zaunkönig is a really tiny and light weight bird endemic to Germany (and other countries in Europe). In English it is called the much less poetic "Eurasian wren".

[@tacticalcenter8658]

I almost bought this way back when the kickstarter started. But it was so limited in functionality that I didn't bother... But the fact that they used pre-preg carbon fiber and autoclave curing.... Makes me feel good inside. Wet layup cf is just not premium enough for me.

[@mpz_prod]

Version 2 is avaible with a scroll wheel. Have fun with 299€

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@mpz_prod I just want a G304 made of pre-preg autoclave carbonfiber. That would be epic. I don't care how light it is or cost. I'll pay 300-350$ usd for it.

[@mpz_prod]

@@tacticalcenter8658 there are people out there, they can build your things out of Carbon when you give them a shape. Check out the RS4 Limo from Philip Kaess, hes build his second S4 sedan into an RS4 sedan (wasn't on market). His car has much carbon.

[@tacticalcenter8658]

@@mpz_prod I know, but doing a custom one off costs even more than a small production run. I also could do it myself but don't have the equipment to scan the components in 3d, then making a cnc mold etc is costly for a one time thing.

[@MindstabThrull]

For reference, the brand name would very very roughly be pronounced: Tsown koo neekh Imagine "town" with an S right after the T; the "oo" after the K is similar to saying "look"; "nee" like halfway down your leg; and "kh" being that funky sound that you hear in Scottish or German, like when you hear a Scot say "Loch", like Loch Ness. Also, I think they could probably make it around 33g and have it closer to a typical mouse size and shape. If they did that, most people would find it a lot more comfortable, even if it didn't have any scroll or a third mouse button. Isn't MacOS designed (or at least, historically so) for one- and two-button mice, rather than two- and three-button mice that Windows users end up using? If Mac users can handle mice with less buttons, I'm sure the rest of the world can :)

[@louek1203]

That's because MacOS is designed to be used with that kind of mice. Windows on the other hand, is not.

[@MindstabThrull]

@@louek1203 Which is fine :) But it does mean that if a person tries to plug it into a Windows machine, it might take some getting used to, since we've been using scroll wheels and a middle mouse button (of some sort) for decades now. That being said... you should see what mice we were using Back In The Day, in a World Without Linus, because he hadn't graced the earth with his presence yet - and dropped it. :D

[@jasonycw1992]

"My brain is connected to my hand and my hand moving" Yes, that's pretty much what most people do.

[@Soclever]

I think that a lot of ideas from this mouse will be used to improve the mice of existing gaming peripheral companies. The carbon top and the honeycomb bottom are pretty decent ideas.

[@shatoxhd]

It soon wont be any longer, Roccat will release a 0 gram mouse with helium inside :HYPE:

[@syaz4380]

@@zedead8793 lmaooo

[@Tfin]

That would 100% gimmick. Helium weighs more than vacuum.

[@SuperDonald2013]

April fools lol

[@ktg_2castle960]

Best mouse I’ve ever used. Pcb was hand made and designed as a custom PCB with the shortest pathways possible and made of highly conductive gold to help remove any type of latency feasibly possible. It’s also not a mass manufactured crap PCB it’s a different material than most. Truly a beautiful science project and that’s what draws me to it. They have seriously considered and thought out the why’s to each and every component on the pcb to the shell to the shape to the switches it is a masterpiece

[@lordelliott42]

7:27 "My brain is connected to my hand..." I certainly hope so, lol. :D

[@awesome2927]

Your profile picture is a THROWBACK

[@lordelliott42]

@@awesome2927 Yeah, google+ is gone, but I figured I'm keeping this for probably another few years or so. :)

[@Alexandra-Rex]

When I got the Roccat Kone Pure Ultra @ 66 grams, it felt like a toy when i first held it as I came from stuff like the Razer Basilisk and Logitech G502. But it still has a wheel and four extra buttons, which I won't be without.

[@MrN1c3Guy37]

Strange, today is the day when the Zaunkönig MK 2 went live. This time with a scroll wheel...

[@9393andersson]

Zaunkoenig M2K is the newest version and that one has a scroll wheel

[@hyyper2334]

The amount of suger in a can of coca cola weights more than this mouse 🤯

[@luca_sbll]

5:55 - what you are talking about is NOT claw grip, it's fingertip grip, and that's what this mouse is meant for

[@Cruzz999]

"World's lightest mouse!" "How to lighten your mouse with aluminium foil!" And here I sit with the maximum amount of additional weight in my logitec mouse because light mice are uncomfortable to use.

[@MrVybson]

The scroll wheel isn't necessary in games where there's no bhopping. You can switch weapons using keys on your keyboard. I'm aware that they've released a new version with a scroll wheel. Which is cool. The size makes sense, if you're playing with a somewhat low sensitivity, then there's a very high chance that you use either a claw/fingertip grip and only use like 1/2 - 1/3 of your mouse. The price is a bit steep, but it's a carbon fibre prototype mouse, what do these people really expect. I think it's a great idea. Innovation is always cool. If I was a Quake Champions pro or whatever, then I could definitely see myself giving this a try.

[@lumitry]

“the perfect gaming mouse wouldn’t have a scroll wheel” because gamers dont do anything else? maybe if it wasn’t this expensive and you could just buy a second mouse but it is because no one uses the scroll wheel to bhop or change weapons? maybe in a game like minecraft when you’d be scrolling past 7 other things but in an FPS when you have 2 guns and that’s it there’s no reason not to. “this is the no frills of mice” yeah no shit its ugly it has a wire that looks awful and they pursued lowering the weight so much they forgot they’d have to put it under their palm for hours on end. I don’t like being negative but no one should buy this product unless they’re so rich and give so few shits about buying an awful product just to test it out. i’m sure 23 grams feels amazing the shape won’t. the cable won’t. g pro wireless superlight is only 64 grams or something and it has 4 spare buttons, a battery, a wireless transmitter, a scroll wheel (apparently a hot fucking commodity) and costs like half the price. and finally my biggest gripe if you’re charging this steep a markup for your product... get a properly-translated, good-looking website. shopify isnt that hard to set up. EDIT: I wanted to add that I’ve seen this attitude recently in a lot of LTT videos, where big issues get swept under the rug. Also the hipocracy. I randomly scrolled thru the video. The first part I got to was “I need the scroll wheel, you take for granted how much you scroll” the second part was “I don’t really need a scroll wheel” These days it feels like every other LMG video is biased, and for no reason... it’s not like this product has an affiliate link so why? same went for the handheld console thing.

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

actually, this mouse is NOT made for claw grip. You're not supposed to rest your hand on the back of the mouse. This is intended for fingertip grip, with only the tip of your fingers touching the mouse

[@n0xt]

Yeah, I was really surprised that he didn't even consider fingertip, when the shape just begs for it.

[@naryanr]

_“It's almost like my brain is connected to my hand_ _and my hand is moving.”_ **cue x-files music**

[@Kinaboxlol]

It's a bit weird reviewing this mouse as a "clawgrip" mouse considering it's a strictly fingertip mouse for extreme fingertippers in FPS games and RTS games.. It's super cliche and specific - yes - but so is a toilet plunger.. Right tool for the right job. And this mouse definitely does the job for the job it needs to do.

[@greyareaRK1]

Wow, that design dates back to the earliest days of mice, before the invention of ergonomics.

[@DctrGizmo]

I lost it when you said the price was $350. Like wtf?! It doesn’t even even have a freaking scroll wheel!

[@killerkip1]

I have a 35g rosewill wired mouse that has side buttons and scroll. It's cheap af and works amazing for everything. Also durable too. I use it as my laptop mouse so it gets toss around in a bag everyday.

[@lianglqufo]

2:02 David: Linus isn't everything. I see what you did there.

[@saltcrate3555]

The captain says lightness, so David Is safe yeah, he’s not fired!

[@YosuaNangin]

"...the best gaming mouse doesn't have scroll wheel.." "I don't expect the mouse to be comfortable" Damn David is here trying to make this shitty mouse looks better than it actually is. Sugar coated af, what is this? Kotaku? Edit: be honest, this mouse is shit

[@deathbydeviceable]

I agree. Looks like the mouse made in the 60's for modern times

[@chedinbuildsstudio5144]

I have this mouse and this mouse is too heavy that it nearly broke my wrists . I am looking to take out all the weights in the mouse such as switches and sensor . This mouse should have been 23 grams lighter .

[@beagle0]

Being a csgo player im gonna miss that scroll wheel for panicking through my inventory 3 times over getting awped by the same kid at mid :^(

[@K-----]

You can just set it to scroll one way between main and another item down and same with up. Keeps you from panic overshoot.

[@Tom-ty3zg]

If you watch the whole video you'll hear that he walks back on that particular statement

[@eirin099]

the new one (m2k) that had its first run a few hours ago have a scrollwheel. One gram heavier but it features a scrollwheel.

[@2911oscar]

what kind of idiot uses the scroll to swap weapons?

[@baconwizard]

@@Tom-ty3zg do you have to spam every comment?

[@ptose]

I think it's funny that people want realism in their games and with fps (where the character is usually carrying very heavy weapons) people just try to feel like they have absolutely nothing in their hands

[@porterejohn]

If you cut your fingers off your hand would be lighter... that proposal might have some downsides that outweigh the benefits through... kinda like this mouse.

[@samleuning]

What downsides does cutting off your fingers have though? You only need 7 fingers anyway

[@nikolaychechulin3494]

Do you all guys remember how we got additional weights with higher-end mouses a few years ago?

[@kareldgr]

This feels like an early April Fools joke.

[@joepie3030]

I play fps games and i always use scroll and the side buttons Scrol down: secondary 1e side button: main 2e side button: melee

[@SomeOn]

I think you guys need a "thumbnail designer" or something like that :P

[@jamesleske6847]

I have a mouse that just happens to weigh 30g, it's this cute little baby mouse around 7.5cm long and 3.5cm wide. It's no gaming mouse by any means but it's surprisingly ergonomic and has a clickable scroll wheel so take that!

[@DigiNeko]

by 2030 we will have a mouse as light as bird’s feather

[@hotdogpopsicle]

Kilogram of feathers..

[@jackrushoffical]

Funny! The German Engineers just went live on the TV yesterday (29.03) what a timing!

[@breakies]

whats the point of having a mouse that light when the mousefeet are that shit and you put a normal rubber cable on it instead of a paracord? this mouse feel's like some guys were fucking around and were like "well i dont care, lets sell it."

[@NeonNAX7]

Wrong rts is the target audience fps just kinda worked out for some people "you are gonna be clawing this mouse" big oefs all round, in short its a fingertip mouse of course claw is gonna feel bad since it's made only for fingertip. edit: I can spell as well as David reviewed this mouse

[@furrysophie8997]

The mouse makes your hand feel like a burden, if that ain't a tagline, idk how else to sell this mouse

[@ItsScapeGoated]

I wouldn't say it's targeted for FPS gamers, cause if it is then they've well missed the mark. The scroll wheel is perfect for games that require switching distances, or selecting weapons if you have issue with the number keys, or even bhopping in certain games. Not having side buttons is also a deal breaker as those are usually mapped to important secondary actions. Lastly the body shape, I can't expect people to use that mouse for more than 2 hours max. A good mouse should compliment your palm, not force you into a particular grip. Granted I have smaller hands, but I would imagine that it's still not comfortable for people like me, let alone those with far larger palms. To me it looks like a mouse that was so hell bent of "shaking up tradition" that it sacrificed everything needed in a decent mouse. But hey, at least it's light right?

[@eXBlade21]

I don't understand the whole "LIGHT MOUSE" thing. I just recently bought a mouse with extra weights in it. Because I can't imagine using a "light" mouse.

[@robertopiaTV]

Aw man it upset me that he said he plays fps and doesn’t use scroll wheel ever

[@Glaxes]

Weight isn't everything when it comes to mice you can only get so light until it becomes useless and doesn't make a difference many good players play with heavy mice like the g502

[@Tom-ty3zg]

The g502 wasn't built from the ground up for FPS games, this mouse however, was.

[@imadecoy.]

Maybe good Civ players lol. Weight isn't everything, but it's a massive advantage for aim.

[@DustinMillerPolyInnovator]

Batteries are changing dramatically, and graphene once it goes more mainstream could be an excellent battery for something like this

[@britskaradiometeorograph8108]

"I'm into FPS so this is the perfect mouse" Sure, except you've apparently never played CS if you think you don't need a wheel to jump with lol

[@Charlie8913]

M1K: 21g, 0 Mouse wheels MX Master 2S: 145g -> 6.9 times as heavy, 2 Mouse wheels -> infinite*2 mouse wheels ;)

[@ComeCaramelos_]

5:22 "Norgonomic" Xd

[@ff-qf1th]

yeah I'd love to see a more complete version of this mouse that would be sick

[@Ben_Hard]

This sounds like a good mouse for Osu! lol

[@gtmustang32111]

I feel like it's worth mentioning that carbon fiber is INCREDIBLY bad for the environment. There's no way to recycle it or ever reuse the material, and it doesn't break down.

[@Unpixelt]

Everything that this mouse has going for it, is that it's light and expensive. I can make you a cheaper and lighter mouse. Literally scrap the whole casing bs and just make the PCB with 2 buttons and a sensor. It's probably gonna be more ergonomic, than this one as well.

[@n0xt]

This mouse has a perfect shape for fingertip grip, dunno why he says in the video that you should claw it.

[@biomechian3106]

If you can even manage to get your hands on it, check out the Finalmouse Starlight-12. Its a fully equipped mouse but its made of a magnesium alloy, wireless, and is ~50 grams or less.

[@Koishichan]

I though short circuit we going to be just for unboxings, not reviews.

[@Tom-ty3zg]

Well this product really doesn't warrant its own review on LTT

[@OffSurfaceAdventures]

Thumbnail: OH a cheese grater --- wait WHAT!?

[@Tarkov.]

Can live without the scroll, can't live without side buttons. Gotta have 'em to toggle my scopes.

[@zoth_]

LTT needs to make an aerogel mouse. They had the gold controller, now the worlds lightest mouse

[@athmaid]

When he said Zauking 130 million german speakers felt a great disturbance in the force

[@incrediblepony]

I very much disagree on the sidebuttons and middleclick/scroll arguments.. I bind tons of stuff to my mouse. Because I want no distractions from my movement on my left hand.