Peak Zoomerism

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[@ShortFatOtaku]

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[@stigmaoftherose]

No.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@stigmaoftherose you literally did

[@stigmaoftherose]

@@ShortFatOtaku oh no how did he figure it out!?

[@KaiserDeclan]

No I will not.

[@MaxTheCat-eh5ts]

I'm broke I'll wait.

[@_Carlos]

The TL;DR on this video is "all zoomers know is charge phone, eat hot chip, and google"

[@KaiserDeclan]

As a Zoomer I can confirm.

[@Inapronfish]

Omg, I'm doing this right now

[@adammangold1392]

​@@KaiserDeclan😂

[@Embarrassed4U]

It's true though

[@unocualqu1era]

But not google technical stuff, just kardashian stuff and funny videos

[@Angrenost02]

15:17 Dev, stop being silly. You don't learn geography at school, you learn it by playing strategy games, where it's actually useful.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

HOI4 players should know all the zip codes around the world change my mind

[@thelordofcringe]

I'm the rare map game player who knew geography first.

[@vistagreat9994]

Its very true, i learned geography by playing Victoria 2

[@vitaliitomas8121]

@@jimbothegymbro7086 Were there zipcodes during ww2?

[@EnwardJim]

Unironically, I only know about European and Asian geography from playing Total War.

[@cyber4053]

From firsthand experience it seems like a “DONT TOUCH THAT!” Thing. Where when they where younger they where screamed at for screwing with the home computer, and berated if they screwed something up out of curiosity. Like when your dad was working on a car and you curiously looked into it only for him to yell at you saying your gonna break it. A “don’t screw with this thing anymore” style of thinking starts.

[@immikeurnot]

When I was a kid, if I broke something my dad just made me fix it.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Nah, that's not it at all. It's actually exceedingly difficult to kill childhood curiosity by saying "don't look at that/don't touch that" - it tends to amplify the curiosity instead, for most people, because it marks something as taboo - destined to be tinkered with relentlessly in the teenage years as a sort of rebellious revenge. The root of it is 20 years of "user friendly" experiences and the advent of social media - reducing attention spans, while simultaneously establishing consumer patterns of learned helplessness. You can see it quite clearly in the progression of designs and market trends - looking at Windows alone, for example, you can see a steady lean towards hiding more advanced features/settings and encouraging a reliance upon automation. And why? Because an impatient, easily distracted customer who goes catatonic at the thought of actually fixing a problem... is the ideal customer that the big tech companies drool over.

[@b1tchb4by3]

@@NicholasBrakespearyou have a compelling point. They would make more money from people taking it in to get it fixed.

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

Coming from my own experience with my own parents as a zoomer, whenever I have software problems my dad will just silently fix the problem, never has it crossed his mined to teach me how to do this stuff he does and so I didn't learn until I made the choice myself. Also the amount of comforts us zoomers are usually given I think definitely effects our interest in learning skills, this comfort slowly kinda crept up on us with each generation and it has landed on us, I know a lot of students in my school before I graduated hardly knew basic discipline

[@userequaltoNull]

@@Sleepy_Cabbage ^this. My parents are both nerdy older gen-x's from poor rural backgrounds. I was never taught anything meaningful about home/auto/maintenance repair (despite my dad's redneck skillset), nor anything about computers (despite both parents working in technical fields and having early experience with computers and technology), nor anything about farm life besides the same 4 anecdotes about how bad my mom had it so I should be grateful for how easy my life is and do my chores without complaint.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

"Tolerance will reach such a point that the smart people will be banned from thinking, as to not offend the imbeciles".

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Or Fahrenheit 451's future where anything that makes people feel the tiniest bit bad about the world or themselves must be destroyed.

[@kingofcards9516]

As a zoomer, listening to these people makes me consider being a dictator by how easily manipulated these people are.

[@tylerlapalm4020]

All by design my friend.

[@DoomedMarine666]

A carrot hanging from a stick should do the trick, Hell, shaking keys might do the trick.

[@wasserbottle5672]

My leige, tell us where we March to

[@quirinoguy8665]

That's perfect, but it's not just you having the same idea...

[@matrixmeditator]

Wait until you realize that this is already implemented.

[@weaselsoup3105]

As a millenial its amazing to me that I turn into Grandpa Simpson over almost any conversation about zoomer culture.

[@oldluke7653]

I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was, and now what is it is strange and scary 😨

[@bvoyelr]

“I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!"

[@EnwardJim]

I wouldn't call it a culture, just a large bacterial colony. I wonder how many people will get that joke.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

@@EnwardJimI get it

[@adamwelch4336]

😂 there used to be 150 pokemon and we were happy!!!

[@phunkyzilla]

I’m 24 so some say I’m a zoomer. Personally it’s peoples’ parents whom are to blame. Children naturally want structure and stability even if they complain outwardly about it. Lots of my peers and their younger siblings or their siblings kids are simply being placed in front of tablets and being told to go away with no special interest being given by their parents as to their moral values or what content they consume.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Ultimately, it's always the parents who are to blame. Of course this creates a bit of a fractal problem - if the parents are always to blame, then the flawed parenting? Is the result of flawed parenting. Which is the result of flawed parenting. There comes a point in life when you're supposed to say - I am now an adult, this is my fault, and I can fix it. But that usually doesn't happen until life kicks you hard enough that have no choice but to take on the responsibility.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

'some say' but like every defintion of Zoomer includes 1999. Its the 1995-1997 kids that are in question.

[@phunkyzilla]

@@NicholasBrakespear Yes people have a responsibility to themselves to enact the change and skills they want. but if a group of people under 18 lack skills and your parents are supposed to give you world skills that are beneficial and that should generally get you through life then there's obviously an onus on the parents to raise productive adults as well. like if your 15 year old kid doesn't know how to change a tire or cook a meal or do laundry is that the kid's fault he didn't fulfil his own parentage? Nobody's parents are perfect but there's definitley been a shift in how people treat children and educate them during my lifetime alone and I've seen it negatively impact myself and my peers and now this upcoming generation.

[@phunkyzilla]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 if you look at articles gen z either begins with or directly after 1999. something as general as "this generation" is open to some personal objective perspective

[@NicholasBrakespear]

@@phunkyzilla The changes actually date back to the end of the Second World War, and the effect has been cumulative - which is why it has accelerated and been amplified to the point of social collapse with the last few generations. That's also why it's futile pointing to the previous generation; the fact that your parents shafted you doesn't alter the fact that, at this point, you're the only one who can change this pattern. Put simply, current parents raising the current crop of children - who are still children - yes, ideally we need to do what we can to get them to be less crap at parenting. But there's no point even dwelling on the bad parenting once those kids hit 18 and head out into the world - at that point, the only benefit to saying "it's the fault of my parents" is to understand why you are limited/flawed, what issues you actually have, in order to move beyond them yourself, and make sure you don't repeat history. And that's the step that has been missing a lot, through multiple generations, especially since the 60s; we've seen multiple generations saying "blame my parents"... and that's it. That's the discussion, and they never really move beyond it. Nobody says, "My parents did this, therefore I must fix it."

[@amostlypeacefulmassshooting]

It's amazing how most people back in the pre industrial age literally couldn't read, and they STILL knew more had more practical skills than the zoomers in this video

[@michaelsimmons9052]

Shad has a video explaining why people in ye olden times was more literate than what you were told.

[@ShoorfLonelyLokly]

@@michaelsimmons9052 link? Shad is that medieval youtuber who had some heath issues a year ago, right? He's cool.

[@michaelsimmons9052]

@@ShoorfLonelyLokly I can post links in the comments section‽

[@michaelsimmons9052]

@@ShoorfLonelyLokly kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXq2fmWlmZh1gJI

[@insomnia7337]

@@ShoorfLonelyLokly Look for a playlist called "medieval misconceptions".

[@_Devil]

You can slice Zoomers into two halves: The first half remembers when the 8th generation of consoles game out and GTA 4 being the most advanced game of the time The second half never heard of Jimmy Neutron and didn't know about the rumors of Tom Kenny dying in the early 2010's The second half is what represents the entire generation, but I fall into that first half. For that, I (b. 2002) would call myself a "Boomer Zoomer" because I'm too young to fully relate to 90's kids but I'm also too old to fully relate to iPad kids. It's a weird Grey Area that nobody acknowledges lmao

[@maximus4765]

Another term for guys like us is the "Ziennial" Latter-half zoomers are so disgusting to me, you can't imagine my horror at the realization that I wasn't the odd one out in a ghetto school: it was the GENERATION I'm an odd one out of. I'm genuinely terrified of what society will look like when late zoomees are the main cultural force. With their odd hood-speak, trashy culture, and annoying fetish for slang terms that last all of two months.

[@MegaSouthpark99]

Yea this, basically there's Zoomers who remember CDs and VHS tapes and those who don't

[@silverprimus321boi9]

I'm kinda weird, I'm a 2006 kid but I never got access to the internet until 2013, at least unrestricted. Its strange how stunted I am in comparison to my peers, and I think that's a good thing, grew up with jimmy neutron and the shitty bayformers (even as a big film bro I will always love the bayformers).

[@evan12697]

I use remembering 9/11 as the cutoff for zoomed/late millennial tbh, i dont relate to either greatly but i remember it lol

[@couchgang5239]

Fully with you. I'm a '99 kid and didn't even get an iPod until about 7th-ish grade? And not a real phone until I was a freshman. I've heard of Zillenials before, but Boomer Zoomer sounds much better lol

[@notJCS]

As a Gen Zed(b. 2003) who's actually getting into & trying to learn more about piracy beyond my base disc-burning knowledge my Dad taught me, seeing other zoomers becoming slaves to streaming services and being this tech illiterate hurts me. I honestly didn't know it was this bad 'til I saw this vid, because my zoomer friends are very capable tech-wise. It's almost like my generation has been conditioned to not do anything that goes outside of the approved mainstream, and had fear instilled in them over the consequences. And when thinking about my own biases and hangups I had to overcome, I wouldn't be surprised if that was exactly the case. On the bright side, though, that gives us not-braindead Gen Zeds an advantage.

[@flamestoyershadowkill6400]

am gen z Working on a project pc to mass rip blurays from the library so I do not spend money on vpns

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

It's all about what the incentives are. People change their behavior, depending NOT on what society "expects" of them, but what they need to learn to have fun. The western philosophy is "utilitarian", meaning it's just about people who chase whatever's fun. Since the market keeps changing, the cultures keep changing, and the generations don't relate to each other. Utilitarianism is a "faustian bargain" ( you can look up what that means, I'm tired).

[@lonetechwolf1125]

Think that has to do with how coddled they were, I’ve been learning many things on my own just because I wanted some sort of freedom. Was made to do chores often by grandparents but they never taught me anything just expected me magically to learn something, the one interest in language I had was discouraged because I didn’t know the secondary language my mom and grandparents wanted me to learn. Wasn’t allowed to do much so maybe it was the same for many others just they never tried after the coddling

[@RobzdaBlade]

no it wont... quaility of life will go down when there's less labor... omg.. even with tech, everybody here doesn't see the fucking bigger picture.

[@notJCS]

@RobzdaBlade When I said it "gives us an advantage," I meant that in terms of work ethic & mindset. Us going through these hardships will help us steer greater society in a better direction. Realistically, there will be some sort of collapse, but it doesn't have to be as bad as some believe it will be. I'm not of the positivity cult, but realistically, we can soften the blow. In short terms: Don't be a doomer, be an optimistic-pessimist :)

[@flibbernodgets7018]

This, especially the bit about black boxes, hits home pretty hard. I used to work on airplane radios and navigational equipment and I could troubleshoot to a point, but I didn't have any deep understanding of the systems involved. The old guys who had been there for 20+ years and were going to be there until they chainsmoked themselves to death scoffed at us dumb new guys because they could make fixes on site without having to send components to the backshop and we couldn't. However, 1) They never taught us, we were supposed to take it apart and put it back together on our own time like they did to figure it out, 2) We never had opportunities to do that because the ops tempo was so high that the only reason our planes weren't in the air was because they were broken and actively being worked on, and if you test radio transmitters when there's people working near the antennae you're going to get someone killed (nearly happened to a friend of mine, nobody told him the weather radar system was running so he walked out in front of it and started throwing up blood on the runway), 3) What own time? They apparently had all this time to invent weird office games and pranks that we never got to/had to experience but we were always on the plane, doing paperwork, or cleaning something. It felt good to rant but though this video's topic reminded me of this, I don't think the situations are all that similar. I'm very glad for the troubleshooting experience I did get, and that I was able to extrapolate it out to other areas of my life, but I do feel like I'm very behind as far as being tech savvy compared to people my age or older.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Sounds like the way most industries have gone: Every company has min-maxed things to such an extent, there's no humanity to it, no wiggle room, no time for the naturally-occurring systems that kept everything running properly. I know it's not really a comparison, but an amateur orchestra I was playing in - we used to have a 10-20 minute break halfway through rehearsals. During this time, we'd chat, hang out, mess around with the instruments a bit, bond, you know? The idiot conductor did away with the break. End result? The social cohesion of the entire orchestra gradually fell apart, people cared less, nobody came out of their shell socially because they had no chance... the musical performances deteriorated. A lot of the time, people in charge look at some bit of unscheduled time and think "I see a gap. I must fill the gap." Never occurs to them - that gap was part of the system.

[@flibbernodgets7018]

@@NicholasBrakespear I hate it when leadership makes changes just so they have a thing they can put their name on and say "look how I'm improving things!" Happened in my industry all the time too. Sounds like you lost something very special and I'm sorry to hear it.

[@stevenschnepp576]

The idea that the older guys aren't training the younger guys drives me nuts. They're just making life harder for themselves. There's plenty of things I had to learn on my own, or through painstaking research and investigations, that my subordinates thought nothing of because I'd take the time to teach them that rather than waste time having to fix things for them.

[@cthomaspeasant3059]

My sister would always yell at me about how this generation is so educated but yet there is an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to the contrary, It's almost like they were conditioned to be this way

[@bluecoin3771]

If you can count idolization of AOC and a list of meaningless microagressions as “education”.

[@oldluke7653]

While sometimes labeled “Secular” Humanism (to falsely frame it as non-religious), Humanism most certainly is a religion, and was acknowledged as such by the US Supreme Court in Footnote 11 of Justice Hugo Black’s majority opinion in Torcaso v Watkins (1961).Importantly, Hugo Black was FDR’s Marxist agent on the court who shifted the US Constitution from a Biblical to a Humanist foundation in Everson v Board of Education(1947) and then leveraged the Everson ruling to, in effect, declare Atheism a religion vested under the 14th Amendment with “equal protection of the law” in Torcaso.

[@oldluke7653]

The "woke" have no god figure, not every religion needs one. Drawing attention to the mindset of followers, one observes asimilarity to the Abrahamic religions: "One submits not only to a God. To suspend disbelief is a kind of submission. Fervent adherents of the new "woke" religion hold beliefs grounded not in facts, but in defiance of them. They're unmoved by counterevidence.

[@vane909090]

I watch this YT channel about a guy who goes around and asks very basic questions like do 7+7+7 or show where a well known country is on the map, and they completely fail. Scary.

[@Oldmanplum]

​@vane909090 7+7+7 is way worse than the country one. Way too many people of all ages, unfortunately have no idea what the world looks like or where countries are

[@greensmurf221]

I work IT, and it's astounding that the younger people joining are about at the same tech literacy as their Boomer counterparts.

[@harbl99]

Idiot-proofing makes more things accessible to...yeah.

[@greensmurf221]

@@therocinante3443 True.

[@kaleviHekonen9527]

You'd be suprised, how little you can known about your field and still get an master's degree in IT.

[@bryant2627]

Thank God you don't need a degree for I.T. to get into the industry. Basically the blue collar worker of the white collar office jobs.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

I’ve thought many times “we were on the path to everyone knowing how technology works, and then smartphones came out.” I mostly see it in older customers, but it’s not too surprising that it’s happened to the younger generation as well.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

Millennials created an education system entirely focused on learning about trans people and the Holocaust over and over and over again, then are surprised when zoomers turn out this way. I LITERALLY never once had a geography test about which ocean was where, that's something i had to look up on my own as a kid, the school just taugt about the geographic significance of some civil rights movement protests. It's also entirely forced *by the people complaining about it.* When i was fourteen we were having computer issues I can't entirely recall. My my grandmother and uncle said it wouldn't be repaired for about two weeks or so because they had to wait to take it to a computer shop. Over the course of the first week I went online and figured out how to fix it myself, when I succeeded I immediately ran to tell them and before I even finished saying my excited "I fixed it!" My uncle smacked me across the face and started screaming in my face that I had broken it forever and now the repair man would charge him way more to fix it despite the fact that it was working perfectly fine then, i was then grounded from ever using that computer again. This is learned helplessness rthat is enforced bu literally every institution from school, to corporations, to our own fucking parental figures.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

That is why we need armed CPS agents in every house.

[@leirawhitehart1236]

I've always considered myself "technologically illiterate" and know I need a lot of help when it comes to figuring anything out that has anything to do with technology, and yes, I am a Zoomer. But the reason for me has always less been about "convenience" and more fear that messing with stuff I don't understand will break it, and then I'd have to deal with my mom yelling at me about how expensive it was, and now I've ruined it. And so I've felt very discouraged from looking outside the box, let alone thinking outside it. I don't want to mess up something so expensive with the excuse of "experimentation," because I can already tell, that won't be good enough for my mom. And so, yeah, I remain ignorant of how tech actually works, because I'm not willing to poke that bear. If it was _my own_ stuff, paid for by _my own_ money, and _I_ was the only one who'd yell at me for breaking it, then maybe I'd be more willing to try, but until then, nope. ✌️

[@notJCS]

It really sucks to see so many fellow Gen Zeds have this fear instilled in them throughout their formative years. I had similar experiences-- not from my parents, though-- and it really fucked with me up until late high school. Best advice I can offer is to take baby steps with this sorta thing. Granted, while I've always thought outside of the box, it took me several years to act on them, due to the fear over consequences that was instilled in me by authority figures(Mainly teachers). When I began acting on my ideas, I started small, so the failures wouldn't be too discouraging, while the successes would give me boosts in confidence. As I got better & more confident in what I was doing, I gradually moved on to bigger tasks. As a result, I've beaten a lot of my fears & insecurities, and if ya do take my advice, I hope it'll do the same for you.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

I remain unconvinced that it's actual fear. Because you know what the natural impulse is supposed to be, if you're afraid of messing with stuff you don't understand? You read up on it, and seek to understand it. There is no way you are in any risk of breaking something by reading up on it, and all the information you could ever possibly want concerning such things is instantly available - which was not the case for kids like me, growing up in the 90s without internet access. What I'm seeing now from the younger generations, as a man in his mid thirties, is not "I'm afraid of the complexity of the problem" - but "I have no understanding of the problem whatsoever, and after typing in a single awkwardly-worded query in google, and not immediately receiving a clear fix, I am slumping into a helpless state". And the thing is, I know exactly why this is the standard behavioural pattern. It was designed. Looking at 20 years of UI design in Windows, the evolution of smart phones, the advent of google and social media... it's pretty clear to see that this state of impatience and helplessness is very much intentional; it leads to compliant consumers who are more likely to buy a new product than fix/optimise the current one, and who are unlikely to have any awareness of the inferiority of a product they're buying. Essentially, all of this was designed and very much intentional - and a response to the fundamental threat to profits that a generation of tech-savvy teenagers represented in the late 90s/early 2000s.

[@IapitusMcHeimer]

Yeah unfortunately it only took me accidentally breaking the screen of my phone once while trying to tinker with it and take off the back to look at stuff that discouraged me from trying it again with any new ones I got

[@ReturnOfHeresy]

IIRC this is what the raspberry pi was supposed to solve. But it seems to be more for hobbyists these days.

[@Rexhunterj]

You can buy a really old second hand laptop super cheap, often times you can find them in landfills for free, not kidding. This is how the third world even has access to the internet, they use handmedowns, stuff from first world landfills and so oon. Learn to use that, break it apart, put it together, this is exactly how the Gen Y and Millenials learned everything they did, we cannot convey the hands on work to you, you have to do the work yourself or you won't learn. We can teach you the theory all day but it'd never stick without you trying it for yourself.

[@scottjones7005]

“Think of how stupid the average person is and realize half the population are stupider then that!” - George Carlin

[@remyllebeau77]

Wouldn't that be a flat distribution instead of a bell curve? If there are a bunch of average people, let's say a third of the total, then only a third is worse than the average.

[@ulaznar]

@@remyllebeau77 Technically, if you choose the value that's right in the middle of a symmetrical bell curve, then half of the population would be more stupid, and the other half smarter. Of course, when people colloquially talk about average people, they refer to the bulk of the curve (~60% of the population), giving you a ~20% dumber and another ~20% smarter

[@Shade7x]

@@remyllebeau77 obviously the joke is a little smoother if you say average, but the word for the middle point on a set of data is actually median. It's entirely possible for the majority of something to be below average depending on the distribution and outliers. e.g. 2,2,3,3,20 average: 6 median: 3 Four are below average, one is above.

[@remyllebeau77]

@@ulaznar Yes fair enough.

[@ulaznar]

@@Shade7x well, IQ follow a normal curve so the average and the median will be almost the same. Median is really useful for less symmetrical distributions, like income.

[@PaulvonOberstein]

I also think zoomers have less of a sense of agency than older generations. When you get a computer, and its YOUR computer, you take ownership of it, which includes repairs. But I think younger generations are being conditioned to think of everything as a service someone else provides them, rather than something they are stewards over.

[@PaulvonOberstein]

Ah, you already kind of address this in the video.

[@PaulvonOberstein]

I think you hit the nail on the head with the pronouns stuff. Gender alchemy and other forms of critical theory are the "tech canon" of zoomers.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

a lot of zoomers were coddled their whole life and got everything they asked for, so now that they're older, they freak out when they have to figure out something by their self. I say this as an older zoomer

[@TheCarpenterUnion]

Good times - > weak men

[@yokai1235]

and is all millennials fault for forcing everything as a service

[@Idiodyssey87]

16:20 Wow. That chick gets an instantaneous and visceral negative reaction to the mention of Nazis, but has no conscious understanding of why the Nazis were bad. That's amazing. I have never before seen a more concrete demonstration of the difference between education and indoctrination.

[@Ramsey276one]

YIKES

[@varnix1006]

It's funny that the people that made Nazi memes actually understand more what Nazi is instead of those who just reactively feel insulted by the mention of Nazi.

[@Ramsey276one]

@@bogdanov2395 and not only there I'm from Puerto Rico and I heard SO MANY TIMES that apparently my grandmother, as a teen/ girl, (too young to vote yet) that she would vote for the wrong party, and HER MOTHER BROKE DOWN CRYING. If true, cult leaders would have taken notes! She DID pester every election I still lived in her house, though (I never talk about my votes, no exceptions) And also heard many versions of "They must be [other party] to be so [not good people] even when people of their party ended up resigning or GUILTY AND SENTENCED TO JAIL. Politics are religions that give paychecks

[@spartanking9807]

its like when an INGSOC party member will get mad at Eurasia or Eastasia, but at the same time not know anything about them at all.

[@Ramsey276one]

@@spartanking9807 Indeed

[@pank3245]

I'm a simple zoomer. If I have a problem that I can't fix I usually try finding solutions through youtube or reddit and it works 90% of the time.

[@vikingdrengenspiders7875]

Ive had My ipad fixed 1 time when i broke the screen

[@johnfisher8401]

cool@@vikingdrengenspiders7875

[@YourLocalRussianNegro]

Same here

[@simonpetrikov3992]

That’s better than a lot of zoomers

[@bdasher8556]

same, pretty effective

[@TheEpicpwnr100]

I experienced a bit of this myself a few months ago when I saw my niece on her iPad. She is at the age where I first started to use the internet. As such, I asked her what websites she would visit to do fun things on; like where I found flash games from classmates when I was young. "What's a website?" It really confonded me that she didn't know what I was talking about until I realized these kids have only ever used apps for everything. Then I reasoned they're going to be missing out if they are relegated to just using the appstore and not what's available on the wider web.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

And that was the point. It was always entirely deliberate - your niece is being engineered as the perfect consumer... not just existing within a walled garden, but having no concept of "wall" or "garden", and never knowing that they're in any way constrained.

[@somberflight]

You should interact with your niece more and teach her what you know.

[@nailes1745]

Its not just zoomerism, its a "gen pop" issue. 20-25 yrs ago, the only people who got a PC and went online were fans who had at least some knowledge of technological stuff. It was a minority while everyone else treated PCs as 'the nerd thing'. And then around 2008 smartphones started taking the market, internet became popularized and both smartphone manufacturers and social media did their very best to attract as many of them as possible by making everyone "userfriendly", so that people who know nothing can get on Facebook without issue We back in 2000 fought against the idea that our data was "processed" by "third parties", we defended our privacy. A platform like Facebook wouldnt have survived back then(we had networks like Netlog which actually defended privacy). And now when I talk about privacy the response I get is "as long as they give me good ads...". quality but especially ease of use has made people lazy in regards to technology.

[@maryford3676]

That's because the pro-digital privacy and pro-1A people are constantly being yeeted to oblivion via one reason or another. Just supporting the idea of criticism via anonymous avatar gets you yeeted because victims alway say it's supporting harrassment and cyberbullying. So all these younger folks never really realize how nefarious it can get.

[@thearpox7873]

Yep, I'm pretty sure an average Millenial doesn't actually know how to change out a RAM. This is the same as with the non-gamers starting to play video games and (surprise!) their preferences are vastly different from those of the first wave. The original personality type just needs time for themselves to adapt to the new reality and build up a subculture again.

[@AquaStockYT]

Nailed it.

[@kgoblin5084]

"20-25 yrs ago, the only people who got a PC and went online were fans who had at least some knowledge of technological stuff. It was a minority while everyone else treated PCs as 'the nerd thing'. " That was maybe true 35 years ago, but certainly not 20-25... at that point the internet was well-established in the public consciousness, & it was assumed every college kid had a PC to do their classwork. And I do mean a PC, because the laptops of the time were not very good at all.

[@thearpox7873]

@@kgoblin5084 Your average college PC haver had a computer friend they dialed to help with any technical problems.

[@SouthShayde]

I was born in the border year between Millenials and Gen Z. Im very much the youngest in my family, growing up in the 00s. I remember actually having to ask permission to go and use the internet. Even then, my parents were usually checking in on me regularly. I was relatively well behaved, at the time the only things I did were go on neopets or play edutainment games. I always had a penchant for computers and such, and this still happened for me. My parents would recommend me to my neighbours to help them out. Now fortunately, despite one of my neighbours being very old, she was very appreciative and kept an open mind. She actively would ask me questions to learn how to use her computer effectively. It was kind of endearing in a way. It was kind of cute when she'd excitedly tell me about some new feature she learned how to use. But one thing I've noticed is that, younger people? They don't even google things before crying out for help. They don't read instructions, they don't bother to do even a modicum of basic research. It's mindboggling. When I was a kid, my parents got so sick of me asking them questions about what this word meant, or what that was, they would just google things with me, so we both found out. I suppose that also goes to show the lack of parent involvement in learning these days, but that's a whole other can of worms. Zoomers are so pathetic sometimes, they helped cure my depression, unironically. I used to have a ton of self doubt, questioning if i was doing a good enough job in life. Then I met these kinds of people. People who just sit and pout when they dont know an answer, instead of trying to solve the problem. people who are too anxious to call to make their own doctor's appointments. And I think to myself: Y'know what? Maybe I'm not doing so bad.

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

Congrats, you must live a great life if the best you can say about yourself is you feel superior to folks who have been conditioned to feel depressed and helpless. Get some fucking perspective and empathy, jackass. Is curiosity good? Yes. Is searching google good? Yes. Is networking and seeking to make connections with people with the knowledge also good, and something that you totally blew off while thumbing your nose at them also good? YES There is a generation absolutely starved of meaning and genuine contact that is asking you to work WITH them on something. Ya know, like you did with that old lady, but arbitrarily decided was beneath you for young people. Go fuck yourself

[@p3xo]

i think u just met like a couple of stupid zoomers and then branded them all as these pathetic braindead ppl when in reality thats not rlly the case. most zoomers ik google a lot of stuff and aren’t as like stupid as you’re making them out to be. idk i think all generations have ppl in them that suck

[@Lucas-sk5iy]

A good example of this is on the subreddits for video games that are very wiki heavy. You'll have tons of people (who are clearly on the younger side from how they speak) asking the most basic and easily answerable questions via a reddit post when they could have gotten the information with a single search on the wiki for that game. It's mind boggling.

[@trymv1578]

I had a coworker come up and ask our lead one day 'do you know how to (something) in excel?' I piped up and went 'have you tried googling it?' He got mad like I was being condescending. I was like 'no, seriously, half the shit yall ask me to do in excel I googled to learn.'

[@armouredjester1622]

You're probably not 'Gucci bueno" as my wife calls it, but you're not absolutely beyond help. I, myself, am not Gucci Bueno, but I get to work on time, my jidgement calls are 99.7% Bueno, so I'll fuckin take it.😊

[@MahDryBread]

Dude I remember spending an entire weekend learning everything I could about how routers and port forwarding works during summer break when I was 16, because I spent most of that summer playing Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne Multiplayer. I could play without port forwarding, but I couldn't host. Back then you HAD to port forward to host and it was such a pain to do that a lot of people used a 3rd party website that was made JUST to have a bot host a custom map for you in Warcraft 3 I spent a weekend trying to get our family router to port forward correctly. Tons of routers are made with gaming in mind nowadays, but back then you pretty much had to change settings if you wanted to host multiplayer video game servers. Felt so good once I finally figured it out and me and all my friends could play our own custom WC3 maps without just jumping into other people's lobbies. Shout outs to Dark Deeds and Life of a Peasant, fucking great custom maps! They were like whole new games. If you're reading this and you're 16, go learn how to port forward. It's easy now and it might help you. You can probably learn it now in like, less than an hour.

[@ThePKMNTrainerAndrew]

Hey Dev, yes, this is 100% true. I work in I.T. as a Senior Technician. New zoomer employees are completely helpless around technology (among other things). Boomers know more about the desktops and laptops we ship to them then these young 20-somethings fresh out of college. Everything has been done for them. My father is a handyman, self-taught. He learned how to fix everything in his house in late teens and passed that knowledge to me. I am in I.T., self taught, and I intend to pass my knowledge to my children as well along with what my dad taught me. I expected something similar from zoomers, but nope.

[@papapalps2415]

I'm kind of vaguely curious, what sort of problems do these newer younger employees run into/have?

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

Good to know the competition for tech hiring isn't so fierce, at least

[@showstopper617]

Also i.t. self taught have no clue how it's possible in a third world country i have no clue what they do all day or how they don't know the basics here they think you have to be a wizard to use chat gpt they have Google a thing known for telling you all the information at your finger tips with even KZbin showing you the fucking steps it makes perplexed how people cant do basic tasks it's like not knowing how to read in this age of technology

[@NightimeInDeepSpace]

Being able to figure things out and tinker is rewarding when you appreciate what you couldn't afford as a kid, nobody had a computer in my poor neighbourhood in the 80s.

[@Takeshi357]

It's honestly shocking, and disappointing. We always thought that kids growing up into the technological world would be savvier than their parents, but nope. I know it sounds like a boomer take, but I unironically blame smartphones.

[@roymarshall_]

It seemed to me growing up that boomers in general were more likely to know more about fixing cars than millennials, because cars broke down a whole lot less by the time millennials were driving

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Another aspect is that a combination of power, emissions and fuel efficiency made engines run with heavier electronic control, which is less DIY friendly. Cars now also come with so many features that engine bays are cramped and harder to reach into without having to take multiple parts out.

[@vhateverlie]

I mean it's probably coming back. I can't figure out how anyone can afford a new car now. I'm stuck just fixing my old one because it's so much cheaper just to keep it dragging on.

[@ComicGladiator]

More like learning to fix a car was a skill fathers were supposed to pass on, and from Gen X onwards the amount of single mother households skyrocketed.

[@stev3548]

Cars have been heavily black boxed too. I have a small shop, I have engines on stands i'm rebuilding, I've done frame off builds, I fix my friend's junk and I'm rebuilding my Jaguar's IRS right this moment. If it's built before 1994, I can strip it to the bone and rebuild it with my eyes closed. After that, you need thousand dollar proprietary tools to change the oil (Looking at you, Audi.). God help you if it needs something serious done. Mechanically yeah, new cars are incredibly reliable due to perfect engine management, improvements in lubricants, ring seal etc, but they're also absurdly complicated and deliberately black boxed. They're now trying to flog "Sealed for life" 10 speed automatic transmissions that you're forbidden from servicing. And on higher end stuff, if any part of that body wiring harnness goes, the car is just a damned parts pile that will never run again. They're also designed with a very fine half life in mind. BMW uses plastic fittings on their water pumps (because it's not like heat cycling plastic hardens it!), timing chain tensioners are no longer bronze or steel but plastic. Plastic here, plastic there. What was once a casting or a heavy chromed stamping is now plastic, what was once serviceable relays are now microcontrollers. Suspension pivot points that were once roller bearings, bronze bushes or Rose joints are metal bolts through nylon bushes. No cars now have immortal greasable joints, the IRS on my jaguar has 12, the pedal assembly on my 1935 DeSoto has 16. The list goes on. New cars are meant to last 10 years and die on the spot so you'll buy whatever garbage they flog to you next. Flatheads uber allis.

[@dudeistpreist5721]

My dad just didn't explain shit. He just had me fetch a tool and would be quite.

[@TheHylianJuggalo]

There is a flipside to this conversation you're not seeing: The death of necessary 'older' knowledge. That gap is going to lead to HORRIFYING failure. Let me explain. There is a difference between "Tech Savvy" and "Tech Literate." A savvy person can maybe install a driver or two, but a LITERATE person can reliably diagnose and fix things, with at least 80% accuracy. The problem is, the OLD tech that's not even taught anymore is holding up a HORRIFYING amount of our infrastructure - I should know, I'm a network administrator with 9 years in the field, just turned 30. There are routers, firewalls, modems, and the like, at my work, that are older than *I* am still holding things up. I do not know how to use them, not because I'm an idiot, but because the knowledge base required is TOTALLY different. The problem is that, because these systems were made in the infancy of the internet, finding user manuals, guides, or troubleshooting for these older things, is NIGH IMPPOSSIBLE. The only people who know these systems are all the "Stupid old white men", that places want to fire. In Warhammer 40k, there was a period of time incorrectly called the "Dark Age of Technology." In reality, this era was the closest to the Star Trek utopia that universe got to. After the catastrophe that lead to the modern 40k universe, the Imperium of Man is, for all intents and purposes, a zombie civilization built on the corpse of the old. The Mechanicus - the techpriest class on Mars, worship these computers as gods - because while they can get basic things running, they **DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE TECH** to get back to the tech base humanity used to have, because the knowledge is dead. We are going to have an event - be it a solar flare, Y2K, whatever, where tech is going to fail. And because the information of the old is lost, you cannot fix the new. It's like cutting off the bottom 2 or 3 rungs of a ladder. And because it's a self-sustaining viscous cycle, you cannot rebuild the new tech without the knowledge base of the old. It'll be the burning of the Library of Alexandria but 30 times worse.

[@thelordofcringe]

The Battletech timeline is continuing to develop. We got General Motors fusion patents, myomer technology advancements, and even LosTech in process! Wait, that last bit isn't supposed to happen for another 800 years...

[@hoked2194]

To be fair, an old modem isn't nearly as complicated as a star eating nano swarm or a ressurection machine.

[@vistagreat9994]

This comment is horrifying. This alone will cause revolts Liked

[@gr-8166]

This is interesting. I was hearing this from another fella just recently reading a writing on how civilization and its tech will stagnate. This person’s take is pretty comedic saying, “not enough people will know how to code on their own and the people who do are the weird ones”. Basically like the looney smart men of yesteryear but slightly less of an innovator…

[@TheHylianJuggalo]

@@hoked2194 I know this is just a joke, but consider how much MORE advanced the "Dark Age of Tech" was, comparatively. Same loss.

[@dabba_dabba]

I saw my daughter get really good with technology and I assumed that all children her age (iPad baby generation) would be just as good. Like this kid is coding, explaining to me networking and technology like it's second nature to her. I didn't know any of this stuff when I was her age. I've only recently discovered that other children in her generation up to young adults don't have the simplest troubleshooting skills. As soon as their tech stops working, they just give up and don't even try. This was a very shocking Revelation to me. I'm now worried that my daughter will lose the skills as she gets older but I will do my best to help her maintain them because I see the value of her doing so

[@wolfetteplays8894]

She won't. Knowledge like that sticks with you. Just don't let her be brainwashed.

[@RillianGrant]

@@wolfetteplays8894 Yep she's sorted for life. Some mild encouragement and providing resources will add a lot though.

[@Innerste]

I'm a tech savvy, older Zoomer who built his own PC, and was the family IT Tech for several years. Dev talking about getting free tech support labor from family just to get blamed for the smallest thing that went wrong hit extremely close to home. It's also very depressing that despite having very intelligent friends my age, even the ones who got me into PC gaming, they still come to me with all their tech peoblems.

[@Innerste]

Another story I have is about in my senior year of high school, which was a while ago at this point, I took a history through film class. When we watched Far and Away, we took a mock U.S. Citizenship test that immigrants have to pass to become legal U.S. citizens, and while I passed pretty easily, most of my class failed the test.

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@Innerste Almost like our schools are designed to produce factory workers, not intelligent citizens of a republic. They've been that way pretty much since the DoE came into existence.

[@NeedForSpeed1411]

I'm an older millennial that used to hold a teaching position at a community college. The lack of ability of students 10 years my junior to upload a basic PDF file was shocking. They had no idea how to manage their files, clear their browser cache, or do basic troubleshooting.

[@monkev1199]

If exporting and uploading a pdf file is too hard man we are doomed

[@remyllebeau77]

That sounds like helping my elderly parents figure out how to send or receive photos from email. Really a sad state of being for America in general.

[@andrewmaximo4485]

I feel so much less dumber for having trouble with setting up a modbus master and getting it to communicate to slave devices. The things you're talking about are things that even boomers learned to do 20 years ago.

[@dudeistpreist5721]

Managing files i and or apps isn't my strong suit either. Trying to delete Microsoft crap and other unnecessary functions is hard to tell what I can delete. I just know I don't need 8 audio tech versions.

[@Xplora213]

Have to reject this one. I’m older than Dev and have not had Windows on a home machine for ten years, going through various apple devicesand several versions of windows at work. But my job hasn’t been IT, it’s been accounts. They have dramatically changed the way you do the PDF export, several times now. Apple is a little clunky for me still but windows is completely different and it was the same for 15 years prior to windows 8. Microsoft lost faith in their model and wanted to be iOS. And it’s not better or easier for it.

[@jack.h99]

As a zoomer who grew up fixing computers, my younger brother not having the courage to open the damn settings menu or not knowing where certain files/folders are located on his PC makes me sad.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

People who know basic PC skills are going to remain extremely valuable in the future, it seems. I used to assume IT would be less useful over time as more people became more tech literate.

[@CBlixk6300]

I know how to fix Xbox 360s still cuz I wanted to play saints row 2 and my bricked when that game was coming out cuz I had an original release one

[@TheRestedOne]

Tech-savvy younger brother checking in. Though I do relate to the zoomers on streamlined computing; Linux is just too much maintenance for a money-sink of a hobby.

[@jack.h99]

@@TheRestedOne completely understandable just tinker with linux VMs for fun until you oops accidentally overwrite the entirety of windows with arch linux install lol

[@zerosam5541]

How old is he

[@jeffreykreisler2525]

I have tons of examples of boomer tech support going wrong. but the most recent is my grandmother who asked me to set up her tablet - you know, literally just turn it on and go through the statup sequence - accusing me of locking her tablet so it only works at my house because she couldn't figure out how to connect to her home wifi network. Of course she didn't ask me about it or tell me she was having problems. she called my mother and made her accusations and then my mother called to scream at me asking why i would lock grandma's tablet. I now have my nephew starting to ask tech questions that are easily googleable - so i guess now i will have zoomer problems too.

[@stevenschnepp576]

Don't give your nephew answers. Tell him how to find the answers.

[@Rexhunterj]

​@@stevenschnepp576 This, explain to him what google is and search something that interests him on it, show him around it. Then when he asks a dumb tech question you simply tell him "did you try using Google to find the answer first?" That should reinforce the habit of using Google to search for things you don't have the answer too, now if only we could convince them to open an encyclopedia britannica.

[@EnderKingDubs]

Early Zoomer, here (2000). I'm surprised people are just now figuring this out. Even among my own peers who supposedly are meant to be closer to millenials in terms of technological savvy, I saw just how ignorant THEY were on this stuff. I remember when our school got Chromebooks, and the number of times I had to help people my own age fix stuff was concerning. I thought it might've been due to specific differences in where we lived, but I quickly realized that's not the case. People my age are certainly more knowledgeable on average than late Zoomers, but it's not much better. I think it's down to the fact that I was raised in a far more 90s-like environment technologically than most of my peers. I had to learn to fix things and troubleshoot. I learned to build PCs from my uncle and cousin. These were just things I needed to learn, and when others couldn't teach me, I turned to the endless forum posts on niche and specific troubleshooting issues posted a decade ago. The knowledge is out there. But that's not to throw all late-zoomers under the bus, either. My younger brother by 9 years is a late-zoomer, but he's almost as tech savvy as I am (and far better at video games than I was, even at my best). I still need to teach him to build a PC, but he's on a much better footing than his peers, which I'm very happy about.

[@npcimknot958]

Low key, i think the poorer you are the smarter you are .. there was a 15 year old in africa.. and lions were attacking their goats.. what did he do? He went on google to learn electronics.. and created a lion alarm that would triggger a fence to get electric.. a . Kid. In. Africa.. We’re spoilt.. lazy.. entitled. Thats the reasno..BUT people will put their brain cells into tiktok editing and photoshopping their faces. So they are tech savvy, but in a self promoting kinda way

[@NicholasBrakespear]

At what point in your childhood did you get a smart phone/access to social media? Because that'd be the real deciding factor, I suspect. The learned helplessness and short attention spans that preclude technical knowledge/curiosity in later generations is - I'm quite certain - deliberately induced. After all, were the technically-knowledgeable rebellious teenagers of the late 90s and early 2000s... good consumers? No, they were the enemy, in the eyes of the big tech companies; a generation of kids who knew more about the technology than some of the people in the industry itself, and who knew every trick for getting your money's worth (or outright stealing stuff) digitally. The ideal consumer is one who has zero attention span, zero patience, and who goes catatonic at the thought of fixing something instead of buying a replacement.

[@jameswarner7435]

@@NicholasBrakespear Damn dude, you are right. This was all by design, and it seems to have been more successful then our corporate overlords ever imagined it would be. Neo feudalism is not the future, it is here now! They simply don't care if society, culture and technology regress, their only concern was making sure they would stay on top, relatively speaking. I suspect they have a plan for quickly disposing of all of us troublesome useless eaters to ensure that their plan of replacing us with the new mindless consumers goes as smoothly as possible. They'll tell their new world of fools that we all died of covid and climate change. We all know that these mindless consumers are actually far more useless and helpless than we ever were, so surely they don't expect them to build repair invent or maintain any infrastructure. They must have secretly developed an artificial intelligence so powerful that they believe is ready to take over all of the farming, mining, and manufacturing, etc. They are either shortsighted evil parasites bringing about mankind's sad sudden devolution, inevitably harming themselves in the process. Or they envision a future totally reliant on advanced AI. Fully automated manufacturing, pharma, chemical, agriculture, biotech, etc. machine labor producing and providing services, basically everything humans require to live comfortably. Now the only reason i can think of for creating a mindless consumer class, and going to the effort of keeping them around, is because the "ruling class" needs a group to rule over! Without slaves, they'd be unable to satisfy their pathetic selfish ego's desire to feel powerful and in control. They want to be special, elites, kings, on top of a world of pretty looking morons, and of course they have to keep the pretty ones. These sickos were friends of Epstein after all, so of course they'll manage their new world's mindless breeding stock to ensure an endless supply of attractive obedient sex slaves, sacrifice victims, and god knows what other depraved purposes.

[@glad16252]

Millennials had the benefit of needing to learn how this stuff worked to set up tech. Zoomers, being the first real generation with near unfettered access to the internet at a young age, didn't need to do this. My family had a family laptop back in the 2000s, and all I knew was to set it to sleep and not shutdown, or else I wouldn't be able to access it because I didn't know the password. Granted, I did dumb stuff on it, and honestly, I'm a prime example of don't give a child the internet, because I developed unhealthy addictions to p0rn before I even hit age 10, which is messed up. I would also personally say zoomers are a split generation. You have the early zoomers which grew up with a house computer but were told "Go play outside" every few hours. Then you have the late zoomers, which grew up with an iPad their parents gave them to distract themselves and grew attached to social media which was booming when they started going online. As an early zoomer, I have no attachment to social media like Twitter, Instagram or Snapchat, but I also just don't know how to set up a computer. I eventually figured out my own mic issue on my computer a few days after I got it, because I realized there was a separate plug for input and a separate plug for output. Had to shove something into the back end to access both functions at once for my headset. Computer issues aren't too difficult to understand on maybe hardware level (what cord is needed for what plug and so on), but the fear of making sure we're not messing it up even more comes from it being some software thing and we end up doing something stupid like downloading 8GB of RAM for Robux basically. tl;dr We zoomers are a generation of "Oh God oh fuck oh no" when it comes to something we can figure out easily with enough time, but are too scared to mess it up and look like bigger dumbasses than we already are

[@nintenfire21]

This is something I can deeply relate!!

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

That last part is the part I relate to the most.. I am so afraid of looking stupider than I am, because I can be so messy..

[@bryant2627]

I'm a millennial, that bit about fear of failure and how people will judge you on that is a general human thing not a certain generation. I think you basically described why most people are not masters of a skill or even good at anything. To get good requires failing dozens, hundreds of times. It's ego shattering and can take years to gain a high skill level. It feels weird to us because they told us we could do anything when we were kids but never told us about the struggle it takes achieve something of value.

[@poyobotyahoo7494]

@@bryant2627 fair and valid point.

[@nintenfire21]

I agree, I was wondering that as well...

[@williammannion2090]

My grandfather was very tech literate. No joke he was capable of using a computer as good as teenage at the time. He lived until 89

[@patrickflying17]

My family was pretty techy too. At least in regards to my aunt and mom and they're the oldest and youngest of my grandmother's four kids respectivly. Though i wouldnt be surprised if being above average in IQ as a default helps grasping new technology, but being a tech head myself i have a hard time grasping people who arent as inclined as i am.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Yeah. My grandpa taught me how to use a computer when I was 8. He no longer works due to neurodegenerative disease, and I am very angry about it, because he's really healthy otherwise.

[@ThZuao]

The "ask zoomers" bit at the end says it all. Obviously, they cut out all the people that answered correctly, creating the illusion everyone is stupid when they cherrypicked the clips. I really want to see one of those in full, see if we get repeated results. But I digress. They all try to give an answer, even if it might be the wrong one. Knowledge comes from humility, the humility to say "I don't know". And that's tye duality of young people. I went through it, I'm sure you all did. But the young feeble mind lives in a state where they both think they know everything and refuse to tackle complex problems thinking it's not their job to know that.

[@Larknok1]

If we out here talking about tech literacy, let's not forget media literacy. I'm glad you caught it -- every street interview format like this is not to be trusted. They edit for the 10% of idiots and present them like the average. Honestly, Dev should have said something. I refuse to believe this was over his head.

[@eliaspanayi3465]

It's all learned helplessness. People my age, including me are told endlessly "don't try and fix it yourself, you don't know what you're doing, you might break it" or "you should just take it to someone who knows what to do" and it is incredibly discouraging to be shut down for expressing interest in tinkering. It is so fun to see something progressing and coming together at your own hands but the risk of irreversibly damaging it increases as the science and tech behind it increases in complexity

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Except the science and tech behind it hasn't increased in complexity. That's a myth, created with some intent, I suspect. In terms of building a PC for example - it's actually now simpler to do than ever before, with a lot of the really tricky stuff handled automatically by the system in a way that... simply never happened before. The bulk of PC construction is now "plug thing into matching slot. If it doesn't scream, start installing windows. Installing windows means pressing continue a few times." You're right, it is learned helplessness... but it wasn't the result of people telling you not to fix things. The actual nature of all young people, throughout history, is to reach adolescence and immediately strive to do all the things you were told never to do; to rebel, one way or another. What conditioned multiple generations to have no attention span, no patience, and to slouch into a catatonic state at the thought of solving anything themselves... was the technology itself, deliberately engineered for this effect. Smart phones, social media, google... even the escalation of "user friendly" features in Windows: All of it was a counter to the tech-savvy teenagers of the late 90s and early 2000s who represented a threat to the profits of the big tech companies. It was never about being "user friendly", it was about putting consumers back in their little box, and keeping them there. In fact, you can see this clearly in the discrepancy between those same tech-savvy generations and their inability to comfortably interact with modern smart phones. I grew up with DOS; I grew up teaching myself everything I know about computers. I built my current machine, I'm an indie game developer, and I've had no problem with learning the disparate UIs of hundreds of games over the past 20 years. But put me in front of a smart phone? Those things hurt my brain. They are NOT designed for efficiency. They are not designed to be "useful". They are designed entirely for user retention; they are constantly pushing strange little psychological tricks via positioning, colouring, response times, sounds... all designed to hook you, not be useful to you. And I can't process them; they don't present their information properly, they don't link things together logically, and with every press, they're blatantly designed to operate like boundary events for the human mind (that whole thing of forgetting what you were doing because you moved through a doorway; your brain partitioning memories based on environment), so that you lose track of time and keep interacting. As an old-school nerd, I am an enemy of modern consumer electronics; they have no interest in me, they're phasing me out.

[@Code7Unltd]

@@NicholasBrakespear >they are constantly pushing strange little psychological tricks via positioning, colouring, response times, sounds... all designed to hook you, not be useful to you. That sounds like your average casino, honestly.

[@SumThingFawful]

Next to the broccoli hair cut and zero sense of agency. My favorite zoomerism is going "Huh who what" when reacting to things they disagree with.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

Reminds me of how Chris Rock describes n-words. We let hip hop make everyone stupid.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

4:20 as an older zoomer, I can relate. I did a lot of amateur animations with MMD, messed with shimeji, etc and my parents thought I was a tech wizard. My grandma called me the other day to "fix her tv" - the HDMI cable was unplugged lol edit: Also because of my age I got to grow up seeing how tech has been "black boxed" more over time, as Dev said. It used to be so much easier to look through a computer's files without jumping through hurdles or breaking open the back of your phone to check on the battery.

[@randomuser5443]

Im a 2003-2004 zoomer, my parents actually were decent with technology and taught me the basics. How in fuck do people not know how to google

[@dookieshoe2905]

What's an old zoomer?

[@aregularperson7573]

⁠@@randomuser5443as a 2005 zommer my father is a tech geek he has taught me a few things especially when it comes to problem solving but I have become more computer literate in the last year mainly because of modding various video games and having to play the game of what mod broke this time

[@SouthernGothicYT]

@dookieshoe2905 I define it as being born before the year 2000, being old enough to be confused for a millennial, growing up before smart phones, stuff like that

[@-haclong2366]

Younger Millennials and older Zoomers are "Zillennials", there's a strong overlap. I met several older Zoomers and I was convinced that they were Millennials, a few years ago I knew a Zoomer woman who didn't have TikTok and felt "youngish" for having an Instagram account. I think that older Zoomers probably find getting grouped into together as irritating as younger Millennials have with older Millennials, whenever J.J. talks about "being a Millennial" I often hear things that sound like old people stuff to me from before my time, despite being in "the same generation", Xennials are different, like how Generation Jones is different from older Boomers and younger X'ers.

[@deadhead6093]

Dev, as an old man myself (36 years old) you have hit one of my biggest "old man rants" i have been working on and with computers for over 20 years now and i'm in the IT field professionally as tech support for a mall store. the number of times i have had to have a zoomer get even close to cables, they panic and can't do it is both mindboggling and sad. i weep for the future.

[@adamlasek3190]

This video reminded me of a conversation I had with a millennial middle school teacher when observing her classes. She talked about when she was in college they talked about how students were going to be digital natives and know more about it than future teachers. She then talks about how her students dont know how to use their school Ipads or how to write an email, like how they put the entire email in the subject line . As a zoomer myself this extremely frightening while also being intriguing to look at.

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

This is what happens when you don’t allow people to either fail or believe that failure is possible. Nothing happens. And that’s a problem. Obviously this is not true for many zoomers, but I feel sad for them that they’ve been protected to the point of learned helplessness

[@TheGreenKnight500]

Darwin wasn't a political scientist or a philosopher, but he was accidentally right about human civilization

[@oliverwells8011]

*anti bullying/participation trophys"... those abominations is some of the first red flags... MAKE BULLYING GREAT AGAIN

[@blackjack1482]

Failure is not just possible, but acceptable and normal. It's how you tune your approach and retry.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

@@blackjack1482 That's just a boomerism. To fail is to die. Most forms of failure ruin your life permanently or just simply kill you. The ability to fail and keep going is a modern luxury of the wealthy.

[@kateshiningdeer3334]

THIS! We have trained people they have ONE chance, and if they don't do it the first time, they've failed. When the real answer is "Try. Fail. Try Again. Fail Better." (Samuel Beckett) Or, as my Dad has always said, "You haven't failed until you've quit trying."

[@copperhools3276]

As a zoomer who has rebuilt carburetors and put together my own PC seeing how the rest of my generation acts makes me so upset. They have the ability and the opportunity to learn but they just don't.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

Someday you will be a god among men. Don't give away your knowledge for free. Be a mysterious wizard.

[@cavalieroutdoors6036]

The sum total pf all human knowledge right in their pocket (cell phone & internet) - and not a scrap of curiosity.

[@Xplora213]

@@cavalieroutdoors6036this is not fair though. If you can Google any answer, there is no reason to learn. You just Google it as you need it. The fact that you miss out on all of the growth of a neuroplastic brain as you reprogram new pathways learning is missed entirely by educators but they are so Marxist now they don’t actually care. They need future activists and dumb people are easier to convince.

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

@@cavalieroutdoors6036 that's a cynical way to look at it. Many are curious. But what do you start learning? Sure, you could go down a rabbit hole learning the ins and outs of Vaudeville and its history. Is that a good direction to take? Why or why not? Access to information is never a substitute for access to useful information, and zoomers are not being taught what is useful, and what isn't. Imagine you wake up in the middle of a forest. Pick a direction. That's what zoomers feel like.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

There's really 2 groups of zoomers, early 2000s zoomer that largely grew up on older school game consoles and have a lot of similarities woth late 90s kids and late 2000s zoomers that were just getting into highschool in the trump era

[@kimptowncadillac5323]

I can relate. I grew up teaching myself how to utilize computers. It wasn't for everyone, but I wanted to get specific things out of it. Long nights of research, troubleshooting, and failures. But eventually, I got the answers I needed. However, I am reminded of a time when I had car problems. I could've used the internet. Hope my diagnosis of the problem was right. Or call my father. He was able to diagnose and fix in a few hours. He showed me how to do it myself, too. I think that is what we're missing. We are too caught up in how we became proficient to see how much easier it would be to have someone physically there to teach you. As frustrating as it is, we are responsible for teaching the next generation. Instead of complaining, we should be teaching. At the very least, show them how to get the answers on their own.

[@velcor]

As an anime-loving Millennial I'm well versed in the arts of "finding stuff online" which I had a little help from a more computer-knowing friend back in my teens. After the basics I had to do a lot of trial and error to finally get it right, each victory an achievement in and of itself. And even before that, the bliss and endorphine rush from finding out how to connect a N64 to a VHS and that one to the TV signal in order to play, just by experimentation driven by motivation alone when I was around 9yo. became a core memory and a strong teaching moment. Zoomers are missing out on these struggles because everyrhing is 1 click away or it's not worth their time because they can find other 6 forms of entertainment for them to consume. And consume is the key word here: thinking solutions, getting creative, driving up to a wall when troubleshooting can be frustrating but by disengaging early on they're missing out on the payout of critical thinking, becoming conformist and non-creative, just consumers (as corpos and governments want them to be). My zoomer cousin would be eaten alive today if he arrived with his current tech knowledge to Engineering 101.

[@terradraca]

Wise man once said: I always find it funny when the older generation criticizes the younger generation as though they had nothing to do with it.

[@CowMaster9001]

As an incel who hates kids, I have no responsibility for the stupidity of the youth.

[@xjamiec]

The majority of Zoomers were actually raised by Gen X I'd say

[@Merlin326]

​@@xjamiecagreed. Worth remembering that the generations alternate. Zoomers are the kids of X. Millennials are the kids of the Boomers. X are the kids of the silent generation.

[@Raptor810Blue]

@@CowMaster9001Weird thing to be proud of but fair.

[@justinambru8529]

GEN X are based.

[@OliveOilFan]

Zoomers are going to turn into the next Boomers. I can already tell

[@-haclong2366]

That's why we call them Zoomers. I am genuinely surprised with how tame their childhoods were, when Millennials were 12 we watched Happy Tree Friends in class.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

​@@-haclong2366zoomers are supposed to be rebels, apparently we've all read hunger games and percy Jackson we all have revolutionary blood in us lol How lame lol

[@Kanye2O24]

@@-haclong2366 im a zoomer and watched that shit when i was 9 wym

[@Stormfin]

​@@-haclong2366 We played Ganguro Girl in eighth grade whenever Mr. Luke wasn't looking.

[@randomduck8679]

People are going to end up like people

[@angryedgelord4111]

As someone on the high end of the zoomer age bracket (1997) you're right. I think the constant stimulation from entertainment at our fingertips rotted zoomer brains. I can change the spark plugs on my car and built my gaming PC, but out of my entire friend group I'm the only one who could do either of those things.

[@frogbutts3628]

I taught a laser cutter class to a bunch of 10 year olds a few years ago, and most of them didnt even know what a computer mouse was. They were all too used to having tablets and phones.

[@flamestoyershadowkill6400]

I laugh in trackpoint

[@DarkFox501]

This is crazy to me. I always felt like future generations would continue learning what I did, something I call the "Troubleshoot" mindset. This is where when you encounter a problem rather than just immediately call an expert or take it to a shop you can look up things you can do to fix it. Each time you do this you build a base of knowledge on how the thing works and can more easily diagnose and fix problems in the future. I guess this just isn't happening and we are doomed to live out our days in an ever increasing idiocracy.

[@MightyGachiman]

Wild how this was an universal mindset up to millenials. People mostly fixed their own property unless it required very specific skills or tools to do.

[@casketbase7750]

This reminds me of a couple zoomers who lived in the apartment next to mine. At first, they just buzzed me to let them into the building when they forgot their keys (which was often). It escalated to using my cellphone to call a relative when theirs was offline, and I finally put my foot down when they asked for my wifi password after their internet got disconnected. They eventually got evicted for not paying rent. I'm 28 years old. The age gap wasn’t that wide between me and them. But those two seriously had no troubleshooting abilities for regular life stuff.

[@andrewmaximo4485]

Sounds more like they just weren't paying bills and all their utilities were being disconnected.

[@Xplora213]

Sounds like you bailed them out of every problem they had and black boxed LIFE. 😊

[@_Pyroon_]

I had a gen x dad who was a network engineer and I'm a 29 y/o millennial- this effectively happened to me as he would fix anything tech related. I'm betting this is what is occurring with the children of millennials.

[@zackzittel7683]

You’re lucky. I’m 34…. My dads 79.

[@Rexhunterj]

@@zackzittel7683 Your dad made a mistake, you weren't the mistake, but having unprotected relations at his age is a mistake for sure, he can't be there for you.

[@zackzittel7683]

@@Rexhunterj well he (a complete stranger) adopted me out of foster care and that’s more than anyone has ever done for me and I’m thankful it worked out that way because he was a great role model and I wouldn’t change anything about it.

[@JimNH777]

THANK YOU. You pointed something I was thinking about for a long time (millennial here). When I was in early high school teenage GIRLS were torrenting mp3s and as I didn't have fast Internet they were surprised how come I can't get the music from the Internet. Fast forward I work with zoomers and whenever conversation comes to tv series if something is not 'on Netflix' it just doesn't exist. We used to rip and exchange dvds with divx movies with subtitles that you had to manually find and adjust (not native English speaker here). What absolutely shocked me is when I realized zoomers don't even have computers at home. They just don't, don't need them, maybe some laptop only used to do homework. How tf can you live like that, each one of us when I was a teenager (and that includes girls!) had a PC in their room. In the centre of the room, at your desk. Furthermore, it gets worse - they watch TV. We used to say we don't watch tv, like our parents generation, because we're not retarded. Now I talk to zoomers and wanted to say same thing - nah mate, I don't even have tv. But I am the weird one.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

I hope the physical media comeback stays. A lot will be lost if we are stuck on corporate streaming garbage.

[@snakeguy8646]

Dude what kills me about those “interviews” every time is that I loved geography and history in school, literally would stare at maps for hours trying to memorize every detail. Back then though I was made fun of it and called a loser, which, fair enough, but then you realize sadly that almost no one else even bothered to look at the maps! No one actually wanted to learn! In fact I’d be in history and have to deal with the “why do I even have to learn about this” crowd daily which would piss me off.

[@hagoryopi2101]

When you teach people from an early age that work is something forced onto them regardless of what they want, rather than the primary means through which they can achieve whatever they want, that's how they'll respond to it for the rest of their life.

[@odiedodieuk]

I’m a teacher and when I saw tech become more widespread in the past 15 years I was sure that the young would be the most technologically literate generation. Boy was I wrong. They use phones but they can’t even use pcs well

[@p3xo]

u cant rlly blame zoomers for this, like legit whats the point of having a PC when a laptop or a phone or an xbox works just as well? its not our fault it’s the society we grew up in that seeks to commodify everything

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

​​@@p3xoPC is peak customisation and power with the best media access, but the short term price point and various parts look daunting to young people making a first buy. Personally I've gradually become more interested in emulation, game dev and being independent from streaming services so I am getting a PC with parts recommended by a more tech savvy friend of mine so I have a starting point for future purchases. Not sure I can say the same for zoomers who don't care much about tech besides phones and laptops for school/college.

[@RC--ji2ov]

@@p3xo you bringing up the xbox made me remember that those things can even browse the internet and shit now, theres literally no incentive (for a kid) to use a computer at all these days. its really a shame

[@odiedodieuk]

@@p3xo I totally get what you’re saying, it was naive of me to assume they’d be knowledgable.

[@p3xo]

@@odiedodieuk i mean being knowledgeable doesn’t correlate with using PC’s, this is the same argument boomers made when they called millennials retarded for not being able to use rotary phones or a map or whatever

[@JadedWarlock]

We have failed a generation so hard it's unreal.

[@Rexhunterj]

A? We? Gen Y, Millenials and Gen Z are all screwed. When the boomers are dead and the last few of them on life support totter on, it'll be solely Y and the Millenials holding the tech sector up on their own, barely any Zoomers are programmers, who is going to program all the machines and computers? The Boomers have set up a perfect failure system destined to crash when they are dead and gone that will perpetuate due to its very nature through the survivors who were crushed by it.

[@PlasmaMongoose]

As a Gen-Xer, it is weird to learn that while my Zoomer nieces know how to use a computer, they know less about how to deal with basic computer issues than I do.

[@Toactwithoutthinking]

Millennials are going to be like magical techno sages in 50 years if this keeps up.

[@robertstan9733]

"Summon the Tech-Priest, the printer is not working"

[@Deverud]

We're entering the 40k timeline faster than I thought. People just expect machines etc. to work, and when they don't they just start praying to its machine spirit.

[@CyborgJesus]

Gonna start telling people to pray to the machine spirit before I do any trouble shooting now lol.

[@eeelorde9962]

Wheres the emperor lmao god damit we need him....

[@Deverud]

@@eeelorde9962 I think you mean the Omnissiah

[@eeelorde9962]

@@Deverud nah you mean the God of Mankind himself....

[@jack.h99]

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me...

[@maximilienrobespierre7927]

15:59 "I don't wanna think because I don't wanna sound dumb" yep, that sums up the zoomers pretty good.

[@greatestcait]

Those questions near the end are such a black pill. I learned all of this stuff as early as like, 2nd or 3rd grade, it's such basic knowledge that I take it for granted, and yet these actual adults can't even answer such basic things. We have truly failed the zoomer generation.

[@BasiliskEye84]

Every one of these "ask baby easy questions to idiots" videos are always done in a trendy area in either San Francisco or New York where the largest congregations of vapid young liberals will be, and they have to stand around asking people for hours so they can cherry pick 5 minutes of footage of the ones actually so stupid they can't answer correctly; all to pander to the confirmation bias of older people for clicks.

[@kowaialien]

this

[@mrmooney25]

I used to work on a help desk for a medical school and i was always amazed how tech illiterate incoming students were. No joke, the concept of attaching a file or logging into MS office 365 was an absolute chore for a good portion of the students. Keep in mind these were mostly students who already finished a 4 year degree and have been accepted by a medical school. Like wut?

[@andrewmaximo4485]

I read a wall street journal editorial that pointed out that zoomers lack the tech savvy of millenials and Gen x. They aren't use to the windows environment, Microsoft office (especially excel), dos prompts, connecting to serial devices or even setting up non-dhcp ethernet devices with static ip's. They grew up with ultra-user friendly Mac os devices that my grandma can use without help.

[@georgerogers1166]

They can't even use bash

[@Xplora213]

@@andrewmaximo4485gotta reject this. macOS is not easy to use. I have being doing macOS and iOS for 7-8 years after a youth starting at MSDOS 4.1 and it’s clunky and hard to troubleshoot beyond force quit. iOS Don’t let you do anything… these kids grew up on tablets and consoles. Essentially computer illiterate. It’s no different to using a credit card. No idea how it works, just that the bill gets paid.

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

Give it some time and an ai will be handling most all of the tech details like that. "Hey siri, attach x to y" Now that's setting the issue back a step. But don't pretend that this isn't the exact same situation as millenials not knowing the diy mechanical or construction techniques of previous gens

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I guess they put all their skill points into healing and had none to spare for I.T

[@MissRora]

I'm getting flashbacks to a family member training a Zoomer to work an office job. The kid tapped the monitor and looked confused when it did nothing. When told to use the mouse, the dumbass picked up the mouse and _tapped the screen with the mouse._ Between that and my Gen-X coworker who needed me to point at the keyboard to understand "ctrl + c", I feel like a borderline genius. 10 years ago, I didn't think I was that far above average.

[@anionleader]

Man, that is the kind of shit you think would only happen to technologically illiterate seniors.

[@RobzdaBlade]

@@anionleader LMAO bruh I can see the memes right now, *old man deletes my computer and his computer on his desk disappear* XDXD

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Ah, the timeline is complete - you've actually reached the point of Scotty from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home saying "Hello, computer!" to the mouse, after being instructed to use the mouse, because he's unaccustomed to manual inputs.

[@scienceface8884]

​@@NicholasBrakespear No one born after 2010 will find that clip funny. It's going to be me reading Neuromancer all over again: "Ok, he's on the internet. Why was this book so popular?"

[@Auxodium]

that sounds unreal but you know what... I shouldn't be shocked in the slightest nowadays.

[@falkyrie5228]

When I was a kid, I used to think my dad was "tech savvy", but as I grew older his tech know-how became more and more obsolete. That said, I'm 22 and I'm definitely not as knowledgeable of computers (even after studying Computer Science for 4 years) as my 30 year older brother, who flunked out of Computer Science, but still built every computer I ever had and is my go to person to call when I can't figure out a hardware problem.

[@Pfuhler455]

What a time to be alive, born in 2003 here and ive helped every friend my age with tech issues all the time. Generation Z is really the biggest paradox generation, we have it so easy man, my parents are Gen X and the way they grew up in the 70s and 80s is different in everyway. I find joy in learning to do things myself and am learning to be self sufficient one day in every regard. But not many people my age care or want to learn how to be self sufficient since weve never had to. Like you said everything is genuinely quick and handed to us whether it be food, information movies games books turorials. I was the kid helping friends my age fix all their technology, or grandparents. All of my gen takes for granted how easy it is to simply be alive. Sure this has created a LOT of problems in itself, but I don't want to coast through life relying on everything being done for/handed to me. All of our luxuries and insanely impressive technology and the internet could disappear in a day and if my gen has to deal with that then most of them are completely screwed. Great video man, subbed.

[@gweetus]

Lol, I almost got stung by this once. A work buddy found a soft-bricked tablet for his kids for 20 bucks cuz he thought he could kludge a fix. Turned out to be beyond him but I had some experieance with these and was able to reflash the firmware and factory reset the device. 5 minutes of work, easy-peasy. Sure enough his kids did what kids do and re-bricked the thing in month, and they wanted to blame me for it... til I plugged it in and showed their their dad the saved files and browser history. And thats the story of how I got a $10 tablet.

[@Xplora213]

Says a lot that they’d try to blame you for this, rather than resolve it themselves. Leaving a trail of evidence is not wise at all.

[@immikeurnot]

Hahaha, did he sell it to you for next to nothing in front of the asshole kids? I hope so.

[@unknownname8591]

I can attest to Zoomers not being tech savvy even with phones. I used to work at a phone booth in a mall, the amount of kids that would come to see me cuz their phone "wasn't working" was ridiculous, I would expect ZERO kids to come see me but many of them would do so... and the worst part is, I would go to their settings and change a few things, I didn't even need to do crazy stuff. I was like, if you don't know how to use your phone then don't buy it!! Get a simpler phone!! Get a flip phone haha.

[@rallaa941]

"But then I can't play clash of clans, bro. By the way, can you help me pay 3.99 to get this funny ringtone?"

[@Jobocan.]

They know how to use their apps, but not their phones.

[@miked2256]

​@@Jobocan.haha, (b. 2005) i remember spending 7 hours online figuring out what was wrong with my Samsung S3 just to find out that the power button switch was stuck 😂. Then my father made me open it up and remove it with a soldering gun.

[@RazorRamonMachismo]

>Flip phone >zoomer pick one

[@unknownname8591]

@@RazorRamonMachismo why?

[@Butane9000]

I worked for Comcast and it's not just a zoomer thing. It seems tied to all generations outside of Millennials. I was born in 1987 and grew up with a rotary phone in the home and watched technology rapidly advance over 10-20 years. I remember my coworker with the original iPhone using it near a old CRT monitor and the wireless signal being so strong it made the monitor fritz when he text messaged. I think newer generations can't be bothered to learn because they simply don't care. The rate of innovation isn't as fast as it was so there's simply not nearly as much to learn. Growing up I installed games on a PC using floppy discs then we god CDs then DVDs etc etc. However older generations have simply gotten used to convenience but haven't bothered to keep up. Older boomers can't use computers or phones and are beginning to have problems with the increasingly digital world. But it doesn't just extend to the digital either. I had one elderly customer (lady in her 60's) who didn't know how to connect her cable box saying she didn't know the connections. I told her the standard F connect that is used has been in use for decades and hasn't really changed. I had another elderly customer be unable to actually turn on her TV with her TV brand remote that came with it. It's actually infuriating at times. I built my mom a PC before but it had an issue during a windows update. She didn't bother telling me and went to go buy a laptop. Eventually she gave me the computer and all it took was popping out the motherboards CMOS battery and then adjusting a BIOS setting. I'm sitting on the PC waiting to turn it into a Linux server to fiddle around with because my mom forgot her windows password on it. At the end of it I think Boomers and Gen X are simply too old and can't be bothered to educate themselves about the new technology. Whereas Zoomers aren't curious enough about the very technology they use to bother understanding how it works. It makes me concerned that all the modern infrastructure we have won't survive another 50 years as Millennials eventually retire and there aren't enough people knowledgeable enough to keep it going. I expect the first wave of this to happen as the people who started the IT boom begin to retire as they've learned to automate or multi-task to insane levels and businesses have gotten used to their skills. I know my friend single handedly built a system for his old employer to work from home as they didn't have any in house infrastructure. He was effectively doing the work of 3-4 people as well. His boss threw him under the bus since he was sick and staying home and eventually let him go. They tried to rehire another person to do all the work he was doing for 2/3 the labor cost but couldn't hire anyone. Eventually they simply couldn't hire anyone and forced his workload onto the rest of the team. As this becomes more common companies are going to have to wrestle with labor costs.

[@Johnny_Silverhand1]

As a millennial whose been maintaining my pc own PC for the past 10 years, I agree with the vid and your comment but your mom’s PC issue might’ve been hard to solve on her own hahaha. I wouldn’t trust my mother to touch any components in a PC let alone figuring out what to do.

[@Rexhunterj]

You can already see this in the gaming industry. A very large subset of the late Gen X and early Gen Y guys who made the video games industry into what it was in 2010 are no longer in the industry and now work in more lucrative roles like embedded programming/RISC and other such stuff (or retired wealthy) and most of the new programmers/develoeprs are late millenials/early zoomers who have very little experience programming or developing a game, don't really have an interest in the field at all and also don't care about the rich history gaming has, this is obvious when you see the remakes/remasters and how bad some of them are. You can't chalk all of it up to corporate greed or negligence, I am certain that it's also just a lack of investment from the people working on the ground floor as well. The world is also very quickly falling into nepotism being the only means of doing anything or going anywhere in life which is unfortunate for a lot of kids born after the 80s because we all grew up in broken homes with no support structures around us to help and hence have no friends or family in lofty positions ready to nepotism you into a good job. So many kids are in jobs today because their parents got them that job and now you can't fire them because they are a family member.

[@toiletvirusandcoronapaper271]

It's not the zoomers fault. From an agricultural stance the learning curve to be a tinkerer is massive. The black boxing and increased complexity of new designs stunted curiosity at a young age. The financial crisis made screwing up and catching a computer virus all the more dangerous. While you have many points dev us zoomers are the product of an apathetic and advanced childhood.

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

Boomers: push for measures to make their financial success and freedom less possible for future generations and do nothing to teach, while bitching at how stupid the next gen is Millenials; push for more and more measures to make the skills they learned less accessible to future generations and do nothing to teach while bitching at how stupid the next gen is. Millenials became the thing they hated most. You zoomers deserve better. For what it's worth, I believe in you guys, but for the love of God, please don't copy the morals of the folks who preceded you

[@giin97]

Agricultural?

[@TLV_Enjoyer]

From an agricultural stance? Are you implying that most zoomers are farmers now? That just can't be the case because most people live in cities these days.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

You're right, it's not the fault of the younger generations. But it wasn't complexity that stunted curiosity - complexity actively encourages curiosity (most children in the 80s/90s grew up learning how to operate the VCR for example, and how to wrangle a mass of different cable types to connect their console to the TV). I mean really, you want to talk about complexity? Try setting up your sound card in an old DOS game. I struggled with that one - played the original Dark Forces with no sound the first time around because I couldn't figure it out. End result? I'm now writing a computer game from scratch. What we're seeing here is a deliberate - and largely successful - attempt at infantilizing the future customers. All the technology, all the social media, all the UI designs... everything has been nudging the younger generations towards a state of low attention span, zero patience, learned helplessness. Because an impatient, easily-distracted person who seeks external assistance with every problem is the ideal customer.

[@Takeshi357]

@@NicholasBrakespear Personally I consider that infantilization of user interfaces to be a form of black boxing. I remember Windows Vista having blue screens that were actually useful for troubleshooting, but Windows 10 onwards the blue screens are basically just "an error happened uwu". I tried Windows 11 once and the old style right click desktop menu was hidden behind like two additional button presses, the actual menu was useless for pretty much anything I would normally use it for. I've come to really despise "user friendly". It's just a nice way of saying you've dumbed down the interface and made it less power user friendly. I wish Windows NT was still a separate product!

[@Sciencegames21]

The saddest thing is that me, as a late millenial/ early zoomer, will be stuck with these people increasingly as the boomers, gen x, and millenials all die out. I’ll be staring into the pits of hell as one of the last men who remembers the wisdom of the previous generations, while the proceeding generations degrade and regress because of technology

[@basedmoonman9341]

Western civilization won't make it that long lol

[@Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet]

Saw this first hand. Went back to university as a younger millennial and (most) zoomers have this sort of learnt helplessness, as if they're waiting for an interactive tooltip to pop up and solve their problems. It's conditioned behaviour from a lifetime of streamlined, walled garden software/hardware solutions. It's f'd how I can see my parents (boomer) generation reflected in the zoomers, hand holding them through simple problems knowing that nothing I'm saying is sinking in

[@NicholasBrakespear]

Yup. And it's not just learned helplessness... it's deliberately trained. It's not just an accidental side-effect of a lifetime in those walled gardens - the walled gardens were created specifically to counter the generation of young people who knew enough about technology to represent a threat to the profits of big tech companies.

[@TylerINDY1]

This is happening all over the place in the web development world. Without making an entire blog post, look at the trends of page load speed and how they've been slowing down over the years, all because a ton of developers are working with prebuilt libraries without understanding what's running underneath them enough to optimize.

[@artski09]

SEO is killing the internet

[@dacknostrum]

God, I hate stupid people that are younger than me, because at this point, it’s not about lack of knowledge, it’s a total unwillingness to learn.

[@kristofgriffin384]

I was born in the year 2000, but it feels like I've somehow been transported into the 2050's with how stupid and insufferable these zoomers are. My family didn't get internet until 2007, which is around the time I first began going to school. Back then I primarily used it to watch stuff like toy unboxings, or AMV's that used songs from bands like Three Days Grace, Linkin Park, or Skillet. This is because I watched a ton of cartoons and anime as a kid, which contributed a lot to me becoming a very imaginative kid, though I also ended up getting into trouble due to my lack of focus. As I got older I became more interested in video reviews, starting with channels like TamashiHiroka and JWittz, to more adult content like the Nostalgia Critic and AVGN, all of which helped me develop a more critical mindset. As the years passed by I learned to speak English so well, it might as well be my native tongue. I bring all of this up because the internet actually helped me become a smarter person. While I did initially use it to have fun, I also used it to satisfy my young, curious mind. It's depressing to watch how in a span of about 10 to 15 years, that curiosity and drive to learn simply doesn't exist anymore, especially in an era when that information is more accessible now than it has ever been. I honestly dread for what's coming in the future.

[@Xplora213]

You’re simply an inquisitive person. The internet proves most people aren’t. They have the opportunities but they don’t take them.

[@anonymous-yf6ur]

The zoomers can be divided into pre 2005 zoomers and post 2005 zoomers and 2005 zoomers. 2005 zoomers are really a mixed bag. Half of them relate with pre 2005 while the other half relates with the post 2005. As a 2005 zoomers I fall under the pre 2005 zoomers category, same with most of my friends but the rest of the class falls into the post 2005 zoomers category. And the change in behaviour and humour is day and light! And what I think separates us is, we had pre 2005 siblings while they were either an only child or the elder sibling of their family.

[@anonymous-yf6ur]

And this especially makes it hard if you have a crush on a girl and find out she falls into the latter category…. There is literally nothing in common between us. I can’t keep the conversation going without getting into a conflict of interest. And almost all of the pretty girls are always the post 2005 types. Even if we are discussing the same movie, the humour and pov is just wildly different. I still don’t understand how this came to be… it’s as if I am seeing two different generations in the same one

[@Xplora213]

You’ve focused on yourself a little too hard here. You’re 18. The generations don’t revolve around you. Give it 15-20 years. You’ll notice that people are the same despite being a few years apart.

[@giin97]

Millennials have a very similar split around the Great Recession. Older Millennials were established in careers, younger Millennials were still in college and couldn't find work. We olders are much like the previous generation, rather positive and hard workers, believing in the fruit of our labors and establishing families. The youngers are the burn it all down types, literally. Activists, at times extremists, marching black-block and burning down stores, courthouses, police stations, etc etc.

[@cosmosyn2514]

could you elaborate more about the cultural divide?

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@anonymous-yf6ur it's more that gen Z is 2 distinct generation cultures, a male dominated 1 and a female dominated 1. numerous studies have shown this. It sucks because it has made the already difficult dating culture even harder.

[@Anonymous-mp2ln]

The way I once heard it as "They didn't learn technology, they learned to navigate an interface." There is some benefit to this as it keeps me gainfully employed, but I know as I get older I'm going to see more and more of them and I really hope I work on things that never see their eyes as I do not want to have dumb down my work. As for the college note, it only damns the stupid to decades of debt. I have little doubt this is intentional. Personally I would recreate the plaque from Plato that says "Let no one ignorant of geometry enter". It's sad that the bar is still that low.

[@tacky4237]

Its amazing that people critique older generations for no tech literacy as of writing, yet my OWN is showing their ineptitude despite growing up with it.

[@invadervim9037]

I think there's a lot to be said about anti right to repair policies being pushed by manufacturers too. Growing up I could get into all of my electronics and tinker with them, but you really just cant do that these days.

[@invadervim9037]

sorry I got to that part now

[@JohnPlissken]

This is 100% a true story. My parents would not let me play games on the family computer because they were convined the games would give them viruses. And the games would burn the TV and ruin it. So I could only play on a tiny TV in my bedroom. I got tired of it so i started working after school at like 12 years old to buy my own computer and TV. My computer always worked perfectly, while theirs looked exactly like that imagine of 600 browser extensions, not to mention desktop adware that they installed on purpose and refused to remove. To this day they would swear to you that they did nothing wrong, and videogames cause viruses, nevermind the fact that their computer is the one that is fucked, not mine.

[@Xplora213]

Hopefully you learnt that some things aren’t your problem. They were certain everything was fine? They were right. They should find the games on their computer and uninstall them because that’s what must be stopping it printing 😜

[@JohnPlissken]

@@Xplora213 must be that damn Solitaire and Minesweeper. :D I tried to tell them a few times, when they didn't listen I just said stop asking me, you won't listen.

[@Nephanor]

I blame the rise of Apple for this. And I say this as a former Apple user. My first Mac was a Mac Plus in '86, I got an LC II in college in '92, upgraded it to an LC III a couple years layer, and then got access to an iMac a few years after that. Went on to get a bunch of other Macs before getting a G4 tower, which I did my own upgrades to. Video Card, RAM, even processor. Then I built my first PC. Still got two generations of the flat panel iMacs. And I swapped out hard drives and CD drives on those things. These are the ones you had to literally get a suction cup to pull off the glass to be able to remove the LCD to get to the motherboard and internal components. And that's when I started hating Apple. SERIOUSLY hating them. Then they parted ways with nVidia, and while they may be assholes as a company, they also are pretty much the ONLY video card company most 3D render engine actually supports, so I had to go PC. And since then, I haven't looked back. I still have 2 working macs (that old G4 is still running, but I never use it, and the older of my iMacs. Amazingly, even after all this time, it lasted longer. The other one I CAN fix, it just needs its GPU replaced, which I can do, but I just gave up on Apple. But back to the point, all these kids grew up with the Apple philosophy of "if it's broke, just get the newest one" and treats technology as disposable, which the companies WANT them to think, and how they want them to act. Add to that the culture of instant gratification, and you won't get kids who are curious enough to actually learn to do something themselves. I taught myself half of my tech skills, but kids now, if a quick google doesn't give them an instant answer they can do in 10 seconds, they would rather toss it and get a new one.

[@RockR277]

Duuuuude, it's funny, but also soul crushing seeing those people unable to answer the most basic questions. I can't help but feel like the future is lost.

[@TrophyGuide101]

It's pure laziness, my sister in laws first response to any challenge is to ask for someone to help. Helping others is fine but at least try to figure it out yourself. If you say 'Did you try to figure it out?' they will say they don't know how, they don't seem to understand that nobody knew how at some point but they tried to figure it out.

[@RockR277]

@@TrophyGuide101 But it's not just laziness. They still try to answer, but all they have is wild guesses. They just have such little knowledge.

[@VitoSpaghetti17]

@@RockR277 yeah i remember in school how many students would just ignore the teacher to stare at their phones only to act flabbergasted when test time came and they didn't know any of the material we had been studying. It was funny at the time but now its just sad.

[@piercetibma4321]

I would like to add to the repair topic that at one point (I haven't looked into it since) Apple would booby trap their devices to fail if you did not use their tools to open the device. I would not be surprised if this set of features hasn't been more universally taken up.

[@yewtewbstew547]

It's way worse than that. They glue and solder components in place so that they can't be replaced easily, and of the components that can easily be replaced they sometimes only supply them to Apple approved engineers. If your Apple product breaks out of warranty you're probably fucked, because Apple engineers won't fix it and independent engineers probably just can't. Louis Rossman basically built his channel by ranting and fighting back against this stuff, he's worth a look if you're interested.

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

That moment when the Revolution(TM) is televised but all that happens is the government starts yelling “there are only 2 genders” from a helicopter and all the zoomers get shell shock instantly.

[@Spahki]

I brought an Alienware laptop to a computer repair shop, and when I came to reclaim it, he complained about how annoying Alienware laptops are to take apart. They've made it physically difficult to fix computers like mine. It took an experienced computer repair shop guy over an hour to pull the damn thing apart and sort out the pieces to locate the problem, let alone fix and order replacement parts.

[@woofle2153]

After watching Linus a few times, I saved up, bought parts and built my own PC, then my friends' PC I had a shit ton of problems after installing Windows, it froze whenever I used my tablet to draw, work on 3D, or just watch videos and other issues I fixed every single problem on my own and the few problems my friends had Since then, I've basically become the tech guy for these people and my college

[@viesturslinins3676]

As an older zoomeroid, I can tell you this whole technology issue is only due to the fact that boomers have money and they will not buy tech that is not dumbed down, also my generation just does not care about technology as much, ideally people are so careless about technology it has come to a point where phone brands are status symbols, and not something utilitarian, as an old 4chan meme says, "What explorers started normies destroy, and corrupt" If you would like to see zoomers who know tech just go to any meetup of embedded systems/electronics you will see that for each 8 non tech zoomers there are at least 2 whose skills exceed both yours and tech illiterate zoomers!

[@matthewlane]

"As an older zoomeroid, I can tell you this whole technology issue is only due to the fact that boomers have money" LOL no. Millennials don't have money, neither do generaiton Xers & we know how to use technology that Boomers couldn't figure out & Zoomers never bothered to learn. Time to accept that zoomers are just ignorant of technology because you were to lazy to tinker.

[@Zetact_]

It's kinda silly that not being on an app store even if the APK is available for a website essentially makes an app inaccessible but then you also have to keep in mind that zoomers aren't used to the uncurated, Wild West internet. It's not entirely the zoomer's fault, it's also how tech has been so centralized and min-maxed to uniformity and "convenience." It might be a result of the shift to online marketplaces where customer service isn't as important as just a quick delivery. We're sort of in the "TV dinner" era of tech but really I don't see that getting any better as time goes on. Especially not when this generation's advancements are, "How can we curate the experience even more?"

[@JewEngiMan]

Its just true for the late zoomers

[@gecko736]

I'm a zoomer, and it's true. I don't know how to build a PC. I even went to school for software development, and while my classmates got into that curriculum because they liked tinkering, I got into it only because I liked writing code. I always just nodded along without saying anything whenever the conversation moved to anything relating to hardware or OS level software. I now have a job as an app developer and it's still not worth my time to learn stuff like what a kernel is and how to sideload, because the only 2 tools I need, Android Studio and XCode, just work.

[@notkirk4834]

I feel like this mostly applies to zoomers who grew up in a well financed household, where money wasn't an issue to fix their various tech needs. For those of us who didn't have that, we still had to learn the ways of tinkering and pirating ourselves. It sort of relates to the whole "poor mentality" u mentioned in your previous video.

[@scienceface8884]

But only if you didn't get your hand slapped for "messing with it" when something inevitably went wrong. It's an expensive machine, after all, and most of us learn by trial and a whole lot of error.

[@orboakin8074]

My experience with this phenomenon is that as a millennial guy born in Nigeria, I used to love breaking apart my old toys and seeing how they looked inside. I had to learn to fix old stuff largely due to male love of things but also necessity. I even had to fix our generator, fix my younger sister's laptop, fix the screen of my first smart phone😂Good times. I recently built my first PC last year and even fixed my two Steam controllers thabks to the schematics being available on Steam and a friend of mine with a 3D priner. Talking to a zoomer friend of mine in Canada, he told me how he had his pre-built. He is more twch savvy with smart phones than me but in terms of handling old tech and tinkering with stuff, i outrank him.

[@Sandact6]

Props to you my man. I bought two steam controllers myself, as at the time I thought I wouldn't be able to repair it if something went wrong.

[@orboakin8074]

@@Sandact6 thanks, friend. I was lucky to get them when I did. Best gaming controllers hands down.

[@commisaryarreck3974]

I can diagnose a warehouse with 500 pcs in about 6 hours with 2 hours of anime being in that 6 Breaking them apart and cannibalizing a lot of them to get as many as possible functional I did that shit for fun during an internship I however buy prebuilds now...goddamn GPU costs are so insane its actually cheaper

[@orboakin8074]

@@commisaryarreck3974 Friend, you are a beast! Cool stuff👍👍

[@TrickyMario7654]

As a Gen Zer (born 2001) my generation sucks. Like, I got all the questions in those videos correct (except the Kardashian one), and I’m not even American!

[@monkev1199]

I feel the Kardashian question is more about the knowledge of what people actually consume on social media. I didn't know the answer myself, but the fact that the 3 bimbos with the Kardashian last name are more known than the name of the capitol is definitely a bad sign.

[@Grymbaldknight]

*Generations by Technical Skill:* - *Boomers:* Mechanics (repairing applicances, tuning cars, DIY, etc). - *Gen X:* Electronics (tinkering with TVs, game consoles, and consumer electronics). - *Millennials:* Computing (PC hardware/software troubleshooting/optimising). - *Zoomers:* Virtual (Using social media, photoshop, etc.)

[@semi-useful5178]

Lolno, Photoshop is too advanced for a lot of my fellow zoomers. Most thots just use pre-packaged filters.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@semi-useful5178 I second that notion, lmao.

[@thetechnocrat4979]

Photoshop or any other artistic software requires a lot of effort and tinkering to actually get a controlled result. Today, people just use filters.

[@semi-useful5178]

@@thetechnocrat4979 Yeah, your typical Insta Thot has no marketable skills or even original thoughts.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

Zoomers love making fun me for owning physical media. But when the internet is out they tell me, "there's nothing to do!" A younger coworker couldn't believe I still used a iPod at work. When asked why I said simply, "because I own everything on it"

[@freedantheeternal]

I also had the "your video games are too big and completely filling the hard drive" with the family computer nonsense as a kid. When literally the only games installed were Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, and Fallout 1 and 2. Like about ten GB total, IIRC. Found out my brother was constantly borrowing music CDs from his friends and ripping them all to the hard drive, completely filling all the rest of the memory. I got so pissed about being blamed for it, I grabbed his music directory and wiped it, over 800 GB instantly cleared up. And cue him crying to mom and dad when he realized it, and I was in the wrong AGAIN for fixing the problem that was being blamed on me, including by my brother.

[@andrewmaximo4485]

800gb of music is a lot. I'm amazed your brother listens to that much music. I would have a hard time filling up a 16gb mp3 player.

[@freedantheeternal]

@@andrewmaximo4485 That's the thing, I'm completely certain he had never listened to 90% of it. He was just ripping every CD he could get his hands on. Even now, the fact that I still prefer to have MP3s of my music specifically so I can still put it on in the background if my internet goes down for whatever reason, I feel I have a quite vast library and the full music folder is only 7 gigs. I will take a guess, no way to confirm it now, but ripping it the way he was doing would make WMA files, not MP3s, and they tend to be much bigger anyway, especially if you rip them in the highest quality/least compression mode.

[@SongsOfSavagery]

I could cry. I'm a Gen X-er, which I think means Boomer now (? not sure ?). My entire career has been predicated on learning how to build computers in the late 90's for music recording because we were too broke to afford a recording studio. Everything was figured out from scratch. I have a 25 yo and a 7 yo child. I don't know what generation the 7 yo will end up being, but I can already see the scorn and confusion when they watch the older 'kids' melt-down and fall apart like the babies on Coco-melon. I think we lost an entire generation here. Build your bunkers, people.

[@Shade7x]

You don't turn into a boomer. You're always the generation you're born into, technically, although we might jokingly call millennials and X-ers boomers if they're acting like old men, fumbling with technology etc. Good luck with the kids/bunker.

[@3eve0n]

I was born in '99 which, afaik, means I'm technically a zoomer. But just typing that out feels wrong to me because I've never felt like I belong to gen z. I hate about 80% (if not more) of social media, and I built my own pc as soon as I could for the purpose of gaming, like many millennials. That's not to say I feel like I am a millennial, more like I'm sandwhiched between 2 generations, not belonging to either. Also, the reason those kids didn't know any of the stuff they should've known from school is simply that schools now are too busy teaching gender theory and how to be racist against whites.

[@BoxyBrown717]

Interestingly, Null just covered the same topic of "the competency crisis" yesterday on his stream, might be a subject worth checking out.

[@NoFlu]

I remember getting into an online argument (yea I know, bad move) about cooking. Where someone was complaining about their parent's not teaching them how to cook and thus they cannot cook ans *have* to order out. My argument was about, how they can easily teach themselves how to cook, via the literal megacomputer in their pocket with every recipe in the world in there. It isn't just that Zoomers don't know their tech. Its also that they don't even utilize it past, like you said in the end, consoomerism and coomerism. Atleast I cook myself dinner before I take part in either/or.....

[@hagoryopi2101]

Because it's a lot harder to self-motivate than to be motivated by positive social influence like friends and family. Especially when you spend most of your time living alone, or with parents who would rather shit on you for being in a bad situation than help you out of it.

[@Xplora213]

You learn by observing your parents. I was not taught how to make a roast, but I was told 90 minutes at 180 degrees Celsius. I put an amazing roast on the table… because I know about peeling and chopping and how to do gravy. From watching many times. People who spend a life online will never see how the sausage is made and therefore never learn. I can’t cook Japanese at all. My girlfriend wants peace in the kitchen and takes too long so I don’t learn. Nope. Kids are just taught that lack of agency is someone else’s fault.

[@lord_boneman]

Probably the first time I ever felt like I was the group a video’s made on. And honestly, especially as one of the less technically savvy zoomers, yeah it’s embarrassing. I definitely feel like I’ve been spoiled with things not breaking and not ever needing to fix anything, and perhaps it’s time to kick my own ass to start learning.

[@ShoggothsAway]

Hell yeah dude, do it!

[@thidios]

May I sugest picking up a broken notebook and checking whats wrong with it?

[@snipes503]

Man if you're willing to learn then I really don't have anything to say. I've just gotten tired of the pivot to insults about my age just because I learned how to fix my own electronics. I had to argue with kids that didn't know we had webcams and social media in the early 2000s, it just wasn't as efficient.

[@Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet]

Get a hobby. 0% condescension, I'm serious, pick up something like an Arduino starter kit and throw yourself into a couple of the starter projects, develop both skill and confidence in something. From there you can branch out to more complex things like an ESP8266/32 and build something from scratch, learn basic networking principles practically (UDP/TCP), intra board communication standards (I2C, SPC), electronics, soldering skills and a programming language (C, C++, micropython). Btw, it's critically important you learn PRACTICALLY, theory alone is useless. You need a project that you want to realize, like (off the top of my head) a LED dot matrix 8x32 panel using an ESP8266 that requests a JSON file from the worldlclock API that you then display and scroll. Skill and ability are like a muscle, they need to be stressed in order to grow but don't go squatting 300 below parallel straight away. Most importantly, by approaching difficult problems and overcoming them, you'll develop a confidence that you'll carry with you, a confidence that'll remind you that there are no insurmountable problems, only constraints to work around. Also, if you have a Github and upload/document your personal projects there, you can put that in your resume, employers love that shit even if it doesn't overlap with the position you're interviewing for.

[@FirestormHF]

Fastest way to learn how to deal with viruses and such is find a friend who somehow always gets them. Once had to help someone deal with two different fake anti-virus programs at the same time. First time I ever had to launch explorer.exe via a run command in task manager.

[@Yattayatta]

We have a similar thing going on with English here, we millennials had no choice but to learn English, we didn't really have access to dubbed cartoons, and we for sure couldn't get our hands on subbed things by sailing the 7 seas, there were hardly any websites in our language etc, so nearly all of us speak this level of English. The zoomers don't, their English is now back to the level of the generation that came before us.