Should Assisted Dying Be Legalised in England and Wales?

Is it time to legalise assisted dying in England and Wales?
A Private Members' Bill will be introduced in the House of Lords today to legalise assisted dying for adults of sound mind who have less than six months to live.
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[@marksieczko7766]

It already is. With 7.5 million on the waiting list their dying is being superbly assisted.

[@jonathancarless8496]

Exactly and how long will it take before people are being offered the chance to end their lives or wait for 2 years for an operation.

[@LoveProWrestling]

If I decide time is up, nobody is going to stop me legal or not.

[@Reactivate100]

Assistant dying already happens. They give you Midazolam and morphine which stops your breathing. It’s called end of life treatment.

[@jamesdean1143]

Make your own choice. But don’t prevent other people’s options.

[@TomTomicMic]

What you don't say is a large number of vulnerable people won't have an option and will be directed down that route against their wishes and there will not be enough protection for these people, the care system don't care, the people who want to take their own life can do so before it gets to a point that they can't do it that is their option it appears that they want someone else to do it for them, like most probably everything else in their lives, two Doctors will put you under a death sentence to release a bed for illegal immigrants these days!?!

[@makingdisciplesuk]

It will be disastrous especially for those who are vulnerable.

[@rafd3593]

I am concerned that the vulnerable could be talked into having their lives ended.

[@RevealedFilms]

Save the taxpayers some cash.

[@PharmaTroll]

But one can see from the comments that do survive the sheer contempt that now exists for the state and medical professions.

[@adrianappleyard4005]

We treat our animals better than humans.

[@glynbirchall9146]

NEVER EVER support assisted dying .Think of all the pension money our honest political members would save .We would be written off faster than anything .And if possible never go into a care home .

[@mariadange06]

Ditto...

[@gaildrake5940]

Once you put this in government hands how soon will this flip to government decision your life is over? Just saying

[@aethellstan]

the government will make the law but it will not be in the governments hands once brought in.

[@tsoupakis]

@@aethellstanamazing how naive and not involved in the health care you are. We will update the tep form to say assist killing and suddenly you will say elderly die like flies. You have no idea how the systems and the surgeries work. Have this talk with a local gp or a nurse and realise how this hai about money and nothing else… more people die less people to treat

[@gaildrake5940]

Not sure of Britain’s governmental power but here that is absolutely not true . They control quite a bit through the health agencies controlling what the health care workers will do and not do. Example Covid . I don’t think the NHS is that different.

[@gaildrake5940]

@@aethellstan sorry but are you aware the government in Canada has legalized assisted suicide upon request (physically healthy people)

[@PamelaGreen354]

Correct, they will choose children , disabled people and more control to these Cabal .

[@julesvis]

They can't get rid of us all fast enough !

[@beatatz]

It's about getting rid of yourself.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@beatatz But before too long, the kindly authorities will take the decision out of your hands. With the best of intentions, and for your own good, of course!

[@IRISHSALTMINER61]

We are the “carbon”, they are trying to delete

[@Sp3ar.]

Assisted dying should 100% be a thing. If I was suffering from dementia/Alzheimers or some other chronic condition in my latter years, I’d rather be put to sleep on my own terms than becoming a burden to those around me. Wasting valuable resources, time and money keeping me alive to live like a potato with 0 quality of life. No thank you.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@Sp3ar. Have you heard of the Austrian 'Angels of Death'? Maria Gruber, Irene Leidolf, Stephanija Meyer, and Waltraud Wagner were four Austrian women who worked as nurse's aides at the Geriatriezentrum am Wienerwald in Lainz, Vienna, and who murdered scores of patients between 1983 and 1989. The group killed their victims with overdoses of morphine or by forcing water into the lungs. They began by 'assisting the deaths' of terminally ill patients. However, it seems that they gradually found that the power of life and death excited, and ended up by terminating any patients who became nuisances, even if the nuisance was little more than asking for a drink in the night. If you give such powers to authority figures, they will, as authority figures do, inevitably abuse them, and you may well end up with compulsory euthanasia. All to benefit the victim, and for the greater good of 'society' of course. Doubtless, there will be a host of checks & balances, all of which will be quietly eroded in the course of time.

[@JamieLofthouse]

This is so risky. Pressure ftom others as in Coercive control (kept secret)? A few countries allow those with mental health conditions to have state agreed euthanasia. What is needed is better palliative care and support.

[@zuzannanowicka6348]

My great-grandmother was dying of cancer when I was a child. Her suffering was inhumane. She had zero chances for recovery, and have been on heavy dosages of heavy painkillers. If assisted dying would be legal back the in my country of origin, we could help her and do our last duties as asked by her. We of course couldn’t, therefore we had to watch her suffer daily. Sometimes assisted dying is an only option to act humanitarian…

[@SmartCookie2022]

It should only be legal for Esther Rantzen.

[@paulcramer5671]

Watched someone very close to me die in agony over 3 months, essentially starving to death with Alzheimer’s as she no longer knew how to chew and swallow and could no longer be fed intravenously. This was totally horrific to watch and the guilt wishing it would happen quickly will never leave me. The most undignified and completely NEEDLESS process I have or will ever witness. There is simply no argument here. Get everything right legally and ensure it’s not abused but get it passed ASAP.

[@phoenixreborn6065]

I understand the sentiment behind wanting this but be VERY careful what you wish for here, because the state will use this to their advantage when they need to. Look for instance at what was revealed during the COVID Inquiry in Scotland and the use of DNR (Do-Not-Resuscitate) orders (check out Lianne Duffy Menzies's witness statement for instance). If you cannot see the potential for danger here, you are way too far gone.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

Remember the horror that was the perverted 'Liverpool Care Pathway?'

[@garethtopham3830]

I am I'll and fully agree with this ...I would want it! My parents had slow deaths (seperately) ...they were staying alive to suffer more...the individual should have the choice ...and these do GOODERS..life at any price ...should shut up and respect other peoples wishes.

[@RevealedFilms]

Don’t really care tbh. What value have you added while you were here? 🙄

[@garethtopham3830]

@@RevealedFilms more than you I bet.

[@beammeup8458]

When I choose to die it will happen .... I will die when I cease being me .... I hope people will respect my wishes ....

[@sandiethomas6157]

She wasn't very kind to the unvaxed and said we shouldn't get treatment if we needed it. Now that she is very ill, I bet she is getting all the help.

[@dacre6630]

She wants autonomy over her own body but was very vocal in not wanting to allow that same choice for unvaccinated people. A lot hypocritical don't you think.

[@ilyasVa]

No!

[@fee4444]

No need to legalise assisted dying. If you’re over 70 and end up in hospital they’ll try to finish you off anyways. My poor mum went in with suspected broken ribs, they overdosed her on opioid painkillers then decided she should die. My dad and my mum in law also didn’t survive their hospital visits.

[@happyguilmore4253]

Let’s just remember ester knew what Jimmy Saville was doing 😡😡😡

[@nimflower]

Who didn't on the British TV industry back then 💀

[@mariavassallomariasawesome]

Yes for me

[@greenonline5469]

Less than 6 months to live? Is that all? What about those people who have terminal dementia who don't want to live the last years of their life with no capacity and would therefore like to be put to sleep as soon as they reach that stage? Massive, massive strain on our resources and the NHS keeping those people alive who don't want be. Also what about people with serious life altering injuries that now have no quality of life? If that happened to me - even at a young age, I would want the option to end my life.

[@roygregory1250]

Yes 👍

[@GAZ1511]

I had a 17 year old dog she was getting so ill but we could have here put to sleep and put here out of a sad time in her life we miss here deeply but it was the thing to do as recommended by the 2 Vets but as humans we have to suffer that’s not right if you wish to die

[@barbie4772]

No no no it should not be legalised this is an abomination

[@lyndkent-cl2oe]

Why?..would you let your animal suffer?...Have you ever seen a loved one die through prolonged mental pain?

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@lyndkent-cl2oe No, but nor would I simply have an old but healthy animal put down because it was an inconvenience. Can you truly not see how those in power will exploit the authority it would give them? Compulsory euthanasia would, inevitably, soon follow. Just imagine how CEOS of NHS Trusts would leap on the opportunity to free up a few beds! When someone is given authority, however slight, they will immediately abuse it.

[@ievab.2001]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Reactivate100]

Really you know what happens when it fails? They smother you with a pillow.

[@carrietaylor6658]

It doesn't fail ​@@Reactivate100

[@ewaszatrowska5896]

Yes

[@BigAndy80sGen]

Just how people are talking about this shows how broken our Christian Nation Is....

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

Christian nation? Not for much longer

[@Woden-96]

No this should stay illegal these woke people one day will be judged by the lord almighty God and our lord and saviour jesus christ ♥️✝️

[@user-zp4di9to6t]

What does your god have to do with my life?

[@arthurcharlesburge4964]

Should be allowed at any time. At the time of any person choosing. Not just the dying.

[@ievab.2001]

100% yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@leer5858]

No because you might just be going through a hard time and it would make it too easy to give up. Life is hard even if you're healthy, it is the way.

[@arthurcharlesburge4964]

People who say that are always people who don’t understand. A person should have determination, and if I’m suffering from a mental health crisis, and I’m on that price to permit the end because there is no treatment. And the treatments too expensive or not available what options does One have?

[@Shaftalooooo]

😂😂😂 nah

[@tsoupakis]

@@arthurcharlesburge4964work with yourself , and your therapist. It is extremely heavy to be in a mental crisis but escape is not the answer to anything ever. There is not a single positive experience in your life when you choose to escape/flight. Trauma hit us every single day from multiple angles. Giving birth is not easy is painful, takes 9 months it is a nightmare. You will never met anyone with a 30 years old kid to say I regret keeping this kid instead it will be better if I would escape the pain. You will never meet an athlete trying for year after year for a metal and winning it or not , telling you , after a while -~30 years in the future , it was not worth all my time and pain I went through. Pain is difficult, pain is painful. And this what makes life worth. When you get over pain. I am here if you want to talk. But never ever believe anyone telling you escape is the answer. It is not. It is not suppose to be easy, and because is not easy is so beautiful. Best of love

[@tariqkhan-kw6ir]

Evil

[@Shaftalooooo]

Evil and good can only be defined under the spectrum of religion. Science has always been few steps a head of God.

[@Murielsplebgospel2222]

I researched the subject of euthanasia in great detail and gave a talk on it in college many years ago…and my conclusion was ‘NO’ it should not be ‘legalised’ as legalisation comes with many contentious issues…such as were experienced in Holland when euthanasia was legalised…for example when the person in question is incapable of communication…does this mean they do not have quality of life? Who decides this for them especially where there is the benefit of financial inheritance by the relative pushing for it…and when something is legalised everyone surely already knows that laws are eventually twisted and broken

[@jasminehobbs6188]

Dont agree

[@nimflower]

Respectfully, I don't think it should be on the NHS. It should be like Switzerland, you pay for it and do it professionally. If it was done on the NHS, lord knows something corrupt will go down

[@philshaw7143]

Most definitely yes!!

[@ievab.2001]

yes!!!

[@leoburgess3030]

Truly terrible idea

[@brettuk]

assisted dying has to be the future and i really hope this becomes possible in the uk. who wants to suffer? i know the hospice doctors can releive the pain at the cost of being awake but who wants to be in that state when you have your love ones. it's better to have a clean end. no one has to suffer ptsd and no one has to live with pain.

[@Reactivate100]

Assistant dying is suicide. Discussion over. Your body goes into dying mode. No one suffers when they die.

[@angelaamis424]

NO

[@AJ-fh8ng]

'that could equate to 44 million people per year dying in the UK'--what?! does she think we'll all die within 2 years, if this law in passed? (Quote around 8 minutes)

[@mariewalmsley6143]

Yes ,you should have the right to choose.

[@ievab.2001]

agree

[@vivneedle]

With this attitude we should have had the right to choose about lockdowns, mask wearing and vaccines, but I'll bet you were all for those

[@ievab.2001]

@@vivneedle Of course we were. Assisted dying concerns only you personally, not others around you. Virus spread does, ergo masks, lockdowns, vaccines, etc. No one forces other to die if I decide to die with assistance. You are allowed to live, once I have made this decision for myself. We wore masks to save others from us, virus was not an only personal issue.

[@vivneedle]

@@ievab.2001 But if you had the vaccine you were safe, no?

[@mariewalmsley6143]

@vivneedle. Was I really? No doubt you was., It must be frustrating when you get It wrong. Cheerio.

[@elizabethgoodhand7828]

What about Canada?

[@haroldandelizabeth]

I am from Canada... It's a nightmare. Don't do it. The pressure they put on people to accept MAiD is ridiculous. The supports for people with disabilities or terminal illness is dwindling. Society is becoming less tolerant of life that they deem "not worth living." Some things should not be allowed.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@haroldandelizabeth Thank you for your informed comment. After assisted dying, compulsory euthanasia is but a short step down the road.

[@annewelsh145]

Sympathetically no God is the only one to cease your last breath.

[@elizabethpointing]

I agree.

[@kathyatkinson782]

Assisted suicide by another's hand why u want to put it onto someone else If it becomes law like all other laws it can be changed or adjusted Keir Stammer doesn't know what woman is he safe hands to put this decision in

[@jasminehobbs6188]

If that is what you want do it yourself don't put it on someone else

[@janeblack3925]

I will wait until god says it’s my time

[@andyross2788]

I personally feel we should consider this. It's not helped however when you have the case of the physically well 28yr old who went Switzerland to end her life because of mental health illness.

[@ahdhwjdue8362]

Mental illness can make it impossible to live a good life. Mine locked me put of my own mind and drove my remains around making a mockery of me at every turn it was horror beyond horror so, if it's bad enough someone should have access to said service even if the suffering isn't psychical Sometimes Mental suffering can be infinitely worse than psychical.

[@MaroonedInDub]

To prevent a person from being able to escape a horror is to be a major factor of that horror.

[@celiad6012]

State pensions in the U.K. are unsustainable.

[@Dirpitz]

they stopped them years ago I was born 85 our genereation aren't getting one, we still pay as much into the pension fund as people a year older but they get it we dont, and why? because all the immigrants that came here the elderly who never worked a day get pensions healthcare same as all the family for one person working. Civil war is coming

[@linzbell7354]

I had to watch my dad die from cancer he couldn’t eat because of where it was he staved to death as well as the cancer he begged for someone to help him die but we couldn’t no one should have to suffer the way my dad did

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

Completely agree, it's barbaric!

[@aethellstan]

yes

[@Paulzor923]

Nope don't agree with it. Personally I think there needs to be something put in place so that people get paid to take care of their sick parents and their jobs are safe to go back to, obviously there is a point where it can become too difficult and a care home may be needed but for as long as you can physically help your parents I think it's down to us to look after the people that looked after us for years and then it's down to our children to look after us. I think the problem is that too many old or ill people feel like a burden on their family because they have important jobs etc but family should always come first. I know there are exceptions, people that really can't take care of someone or parents that might not deserve to be taken care of and even people that don't have any family, but I've heard of people so many times who are struggling alone and have children that could be taking care of them but their jobs are too important and I just think it's wrong.

[@scotfree21]

I’m of sound mind with terminal cancer with 6 months if I’m lucky. With absolutely no help for me to die I am left with the Robin Williams way out. The women speaking against it doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about.

[@sandramartin5809]

I feel that people against ending life have never seen motor neurone disease or someone in massive pain from Cancer. Nurses cannot always help with pain, or swallowing or total paralysis. It should be left to the person suffering not us. It doesn't mean Dr's get to make the decision that should be us, after counselling and by selective Dr's not out own GP.

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

Agree, totally. Those types don't know what pain is.

[@jasoncheriton1836]

So, years ago homosexuality and attempted suicide were illegal? Both imprisonable offences? Just saying....

[@mgtowsoldier8673]

I didnt think ms rantzen would be so keen...to shuffle off with her protection of saville in the 70s and 80s....theres only one place shes going...

[@leech1355]

Maybe fix the cost of living before sorting out how you want us to die

[@geraldineedgecumbe9771]

Absolutely not UK does not agree with MAID

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

Speak for yourself but you don't and won't speak for me. Where there's a will there's a way, by hook, or by crook. More and more are in favour of it. The tide will turn eventually. Ironically, It can't afford not to.

[@SecretState]

I take it ester has some skeletons still wandering around

[@Shaftalooooo]

That’s very good move! As a student nurse, I can deeply relate to the pain and suffering of those who are at the end of their lives.

[@shafeequllahsatari2094]

That’s a very insightful comment. As someone who has observed end-of-life care closely, I understand the complex emotions involved. The question often arises: if patients are expected to endure significant suffering for additional months, is this truly in their best interest? It’s crucial for healthcare professionals to remain empathetic and resilient. Those who struggle with emotional exhaustion or a lack of empathy might need to seek support or consider different roles to ensure they can provide the compassionate care that patients at the end of their lives deserve.

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

​@@shafeequllahsatari2094those who struggle with emotional exhaustion and lack of empathy shouldn't be in that sort of job, they're a big part of the problem.

[@shafeequllahsatari2094]

What about the indirect or unconscious sufferings of doctors after assisting death, even if the patient approves it? Moreover, consider the long-term potential psychological, ethical, and social effects, including stigmatization, it might cause to both healthcare professionals and families of those who allow euthanasia. In the long term, could politicians amend the law to expand its applicability to different kinds of patients?

[@beatatz]

Doctors always used to assist dying; it just became more open to scrutiny and therefore more difficult.

[@Shaftalooooo]

According to science nurses and Drs are suffering because of their inability to cure or help. I’m a nurse, there are times I wish there was a way out for patients.

[@shafeequllahsatari2094]

@@Shaftalooooo Your empathy is understandable, but stopping a life support machine, which leads to death, can cause significant subconscious distress. This action can leave you feeling disappointed, distressed, and anxious throughout your life, in addition to facing potential stigmatization in society.

[@melissaburgess9153]

Absolutely not

[@rickyj5547]

Life in a useless laughting labour poilce state. With no respeset for human life.

[@Alex-ng6wx]

Yes sign me Up

[@BigAndy80sGen]

No Chance Job Done Nuff Said

[@twistedwitchery7091]

Yes absolutely yes❤❤❤❤

[@rajupodiyan3147]

Teachers or Students 🇬🇧🌞🏫

[@mariadange06]

no no no

[@Dirpitz]

What the boomers made a mess and don't wanna live in it anymore? lol

[@GRH_Roadhouse]

Yeah she is Roadhouse

[@dylannicks1146]

I’m ready to go at 65 as that’s old enough for me. I’m 27 now. I’d love this to become real here.

[@anthonywest2989]

Wait until your 64, Pratt.

[@nemosays6337]

Just because you are ready to go at 65 doesn't mean others are and the problem with setting laws and precedents like this is they are often abused, imagine you are just about to reach the age of 65 and your ungrateful kids want the house that you worked and paid for but they want their inheritance now, yet you are perfectly fit and healthy and have changed your mind at 65 from when you were 27? js

[@Zuluknob]

You first!

[@jackieo8235]

Sleepers n gin ( good night )

[@blanctonia]

This is silly

[@user-rd2ko8sk7e]

think you assisted enough during covid? all these comments agreeing to this are all bots

[@Hell...IsOtherPeople44]

I'm not 🤣

[@Jane-wv9bv]

NO

[@BB-mv9wl]

No!

[@elizabethpointing]

Yes