Should I Even Respond To The Haters Lying About EV Charging?

[@tucker9162]

I was ranted at, at a charger at a CO-OP, that I shouldn't be parked in my car (Model 3) as it's for EV only - despite the obvious, it was also plugged in. A police car happened to stop by and she, quite loudly and expressively, ranted at the constable. He pointed out to her that it was indeed an EV to which she called him a F-ing idiot and she was taking this further as only a Nissan Leaf is an EV. She then got in her car - a BMW X5 and sped off. They walk among us.

[@tangoadvance8393]

Wow😮

[@TheSmallRabbit]

Strange they let stupid people still drive. Oh maybe because these people also vote. What a mess were all in.

[@741255]

I wonder how such an idiotic person has the income for a X5. It's not a cheap one....

[@colinrobinson7869]

You found the a type of human called a Karen , best just walk away from them as common sense doesn't apply . 🤓

[@johnkeen2345]

Unfortunately some people are just fick!

[@barnseyfrommossley]

There's non as blind as those who refuse to see. I was vehemently anti-ev........ until I drove one. I then started doing proper research, and found the truth. 8 months later, when I needed a new car, I bought one.

[@davedrake5769]

There is a massive difference between driving and operating and vehicle.

[@barnseyfrommossley]

@@davedrake5769 Hence the research. Once I found how good an EV was to drive it was time to find out if one would work for me. (They don't work for everyone). Battery degradation was not an issue because of the warranties, but it looks like the batteries are very reliable and have a good, long life anyway. Range was my biggest concern, I do around 250 miles a week, 40 each day commuting and a bit of other running around for shopping and other short trips. Mine has a range of 170 ish miles, so 3 charges every 2 weeks is more than enough, at a cost of £2.10 each, so £6.30 of electricity is doing the same as £140 worth of diesel was doing in my previous car.

[@johnnyquid-xj4kk]

Planning is key. I was debating between another hybrid, a Honda CRV or RAV4. Took two months to learn as much as I could about EVs. I went w a YM, the other brands don’t have the charge stations set up. So far it’s worked for me. Oh, and I was not a fan of EVs either, I like trucks.

[@PazLeBon]

lmao

[@dirkp9999]

Bought an EV 2 years ago. I seem to get the most interesting advise and exciting stories from people who do not own an EV themselves. Thanks for your work Dave!

[@gbatty4691]

I love people asking me about my EV, I had a chap today asking how much battery do I lose when I’m stuck in traffic, am I able to use my air con, can you find a charger. I enjoy telling them the truth about EVs not the crap they see online, down the pub and in the papers. They are often gob smacked when I tell them the cost per mile when I charge at home, and I don’t have a home charger and I don’t care that I’m paying the same for a rapid charge as I would to have for my last diesel car, this is because I save so much during the year that the extra cost doesn’t even come near the yearly diesel bill. And that I could never see myself going back to an ICE car.

[@keithdenton8386]

When asked I say it's crap and I will go back to petrol as soon as I am able. I don't want more EVs on the road. They are already going to start taxing them. The longer they stay a minority the longer they will stay under the tax radar. Remember LPG. Cheap until government got wind of the revenue they were losing.

[@julianfowler6069]

So you lie.

[@Paul99T]

My neighbours asked that "What happens if you're stuck in traffic?" .... If the car isn't moving it isn't really using power unlike a lot of ICE vehicles. If I turn my Aircon on it takes 4% off my expected range. You can run the aircon constantly for several days in most EV's before it will drain the battery.

[@seekeroftruthandjust]

​​@@Paul99T EV air con takes around 7 miles of range an hour so if it was on for 24 hours it would reduce range by 168 miles. Most EVs will not do 168 miles in the real world. Add that to driving the vehicle it is the biggest drain on the batteries next to heating the interior the range is significantly reduced.

[@adriannathaniel4015]

I stopped explaining to haters also because they don't want to understand.

[@johnford3825]

Not worth the stress. Leave them in their ignorance.

[@RandomNoob]

I don't do it to convince the people arguing with lies because you won't ever convince them, I do it because others looking for genuine information will come across the lies and if that's all they see that's what they will likely believe.

[@solentbum]

Today I decided to do a 'range test' on the six year old LEAF in the family. It's done 95k miles and is normally fully charged every day on a 3Kwh charger (none of this 80% rubbish). The route was about half motorway/dual carriageway and the rest 30 and 40 limits. With an air temp of 27c I had to have the aircon going, even when I stopped driving for an Ice-cream it was with the engine/aircon running for some 20 minutes. The result 110 miles, with 25 miles left. So 135 miles with the aircon/heater working full time . The claimed range, which I never attained, when new was 168 miles. I intend to do another test once the temp drops to get a plain use range. As a family runabout the car has years of life left . Current cost per mile 1.9 pence.

[@muskrat3291]

Yep, that sounds about right. I have found that most EV haters, never even sat in an EV, know nothing about EVs, refuse to learn, but think they are experts.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

Even worse, they will even tell me, who they know has an EV, what an EV cant do *even when they know I've done it😂😂😂*. For example the other day a friend told me an EV would be no good for him because he needs to drive to X (200 miles), when i pointed out I've driven to Y (another 100 miles extra, which he knows). And also he knows ive driven to norway 1300 miles. And he still tells me it wont work because he'd have to stop for 20 minutes.

[@djtaylorutube]

​@@Joe-lb8qnYup, that's why I enjoy doing roadtrips. When someone asks "how far does it go?", I answer " drove to Madrid for a BBQ with friends".

[@solentbum]

@@djtaylorutube I tend to emphasise the cost benefit, by pointing out that when I drive to Swanage for lunch, 160 miles return, it costs me more to park than for the electricity.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@solentbum Yep but I tend to avoid the cost thing as their next comment is something about depreciation and the rising cost of electricity. I did ask one how much it costs him to charge, since he's an expert... No answer. It's all very tedious, I'm not trying to convince anyone but I'll just offer my experiences.

[@Lawrence7of9]

Most ignorant, most opinionated, most stupid

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

Had a discussion recently with a motorcycle tourer who also owned an AMG mercedes. I was hoping she'd raise range anxiety so I could ask her how far her beemer went on a tank of fuel. She said "of course, EVs are expensive" to which I responded "I could go out tomorrow and buy an EV for half the price of your EMG which would be faster" She gave up at that point.

[@seekeroftruthandjust]

But yours would depreciate a hell of a lot more. Penny rich and pound poor

[@johnnyquid-xj4kk]

It only matters if you’re planning to sell it. I couldn’t care less. I’ll sell it when the time comes, if ever. Besides, why should people care about what others do w their cash? Sounds like straight up envy, no?

[@seekeroftruthandjust]

@@johnnyquid-xj4kk I personally don't care what people do with their money but what I do care about is being economical with the truth. EV owners lose thousands and often tens of thousands with EV ownership when taking everything into consideration. And using public chargers is often more expensive than petrol and diesel.

[@johnnyquid-xj4kk]

Sounds like you invest a little too much in the EV “issue”. Frankly, what is it to you? Not like any EV owner is asking you for anything. Or are they? I sure as hell don’t worry about what other people have, I mind my business. I don’t tell anyone to buy a Tesla or anything. Don’t take it the wrong way, just saying, what a waste of valuable time to get all cunty about some car. Pffft. At home I pay 0.23 cents per kWh at most. The most I’ve paid is 0.45 cents. That’s in dollars. My battery is 75kwh. so what? I can afford it. You should check out my fun car, if you knew how much I paid for it your head would spin. True story.

[@seekeroftruthandjust]

@@johnnyquid-xj4kk I am being forced out of my diesel. How would you feel if I was forcing you out of your EV because the government falsely believe EVs are better. They are not and I along with other people who know about vehicles can prove it. One of the ways is to force people to stop being economical with the truth

[@ThePrimateKing]

I stopped at a grid serve this week for a quick tip up, and had to return to move the car before inhad made it into the services as I had all I needed to finish my journey! These people have never used an EV!

[@tangomoocow]

I learned recently that plugging in at the services, visiting the toilet and buying a coffee can add 25% charge, which can be annoying if you only need 10% to get you home

[@Thirdwatch01965]

Nice video Dave. I love talking to others who ask about my ioniq 5. Most are stunned by what i tell them, the cost to charge, miles of range etc etc. I like many many other ev owners are fed up to the back teeth of all the negativity. I have also had comments at my work about my car, but when i reply "have you been in or driven an ev?" The reply is always No. I challange anyone to drive an ev and im almost sure that none would go back to an ice car. Thanks again for the content Dave, take care.

[@paulbuckingham15]

I now just say when they complain they will eventually be forced to drive an EV or not drive at all, "Am I bothered ".

[@salan3]

A year or so ago I was against EVs for all sorts of reasons. I started to find out what was real and what was 'myth'. I now have an EV and love it. As Ev's go, its poor compared to many (EBerlingo with estimated ~200 mile range). I have not had the car long so still have slight 'insecurities' re range, but I have had it two weeks and whilst I have charged it once (I wanted to check the charger worked! lol), I didn't need to. On present usage I might need to charge in two to three more weeks. Am I bothered about long trips? No really. As Dave said 'My bladder is the deciding factor!' lol

[@mikegipson1224]

Great news and believe me you will forget anything about Range or Charger Anxiety as you see more and more charging HUbs appear on any routes you use. Try Electroverse for your finding of chargers and even Google Maps and Android Auto have a good search for CHargers as you drive :)

[@steve_787]

You'd think by now that the people who brought the best selling car in the world would have noticed that on a V2 charger it takes 8 hours to charge! Think they might have raised this before now!!! What a plank.

[@geoffclements269]

I always try to help when someone's asking a genuine question, best one was "can I drive in the rain", but some people just seem wedded to the idea that fossil fuel cars should be the only ones we should be allowed to drive, I have no idea why. All the major factories have re-tooled and EV's are going to happen (have happened!) whether they like it or not.

[@marvinsamuels1237]

The fella you had the “discussion” with would be blown away watching my Ioniq 38kWh charge at 47kW and get from 20 to 80% in 50 mins 😅 It’s scary how right some people believe they are, no matter what evidence you show them to the contrary. Keep taking it on Dave, you’re doing a great job 👍🏾

[@Goodchappy]

Dave. You're doing a great job. Those of us that have had EV's for years (me 8 years) know that these haters are just wrong, it's so frustrating but also quite hilarious at times. I've given up trying to educate people online or face to face. They cherry pick all the negative stories and probably watch TV channels like GB News who seem to hate EV's and renewables. Keep up these informative, fact rich uploads. 👍🏻

[@35014]

You are a very patient man Dave. Good video as ever.

[@davidwalker9302]

A little bit of knowledge is dangerous 😂 wouldn’t give him time of day.

[@gabrielevarese3704]

Sadly true. Search for "Dunning Kruger effect".

[@punditgi]

Always love your videos, Dave. Bravo! 🎉😊

[@peterlucy1519]

Yep. Some people you just cannot educate 🤣😂

[@MaxDigby-q1t]

I think the saying is”you can’t fix stupid”

[@djtaylorutube]

No but when bored, they can be used to play with, for entertainment. Moderately more fun than a chatbot.

[@MaxDigby-q1t]

@@djtaylorutube 🤣🤣🤣 very true

[@martinwray7001]

Why do they get so disproportionately angry? This guy needs help and you were very patient.

[@sie4431]

Some people believe the angriest (or most confident/condescending) person is the one that's right. Why wouldn't you be angry is the other person wasn't a total idiot that failed to grasp the basic facts? In reality those who know, know that if you're actually know what you're talking about you calmly explain it to the other person

[@johnnyquid-xj4kk]

Sounds like class resentment, bro. And I usually ignore any dumb comment about my Tesla. I don’t feel the need to explain myself to anyone anyway. I have a LRYM, and truth be told I drive it like I drive my ICE, not concerned w range. I charge at home and it’s super convenient, my Toyota suv sits in my garage most of the time. I remember the Prius getting the same kind of hate, people would ask me abut the battery. Sold it at around 82k mi to buy my Tesla and it was still running like a champ. Some people will find a way to shit on someone, it’s just how it is. Anyway, enjoy your Tesla. Hello from Cali.

[@juliemarriott7395]

Thanks for your info Dave. We have just ordered a citroen space tourer EV van, for our disabled son, now motability do the larger battery/range one. We decided to 'take the plunge' following a long conversation with a family who have the Vauxhall version and told us how they use it on longer journeys etc - just as you suggest people do. It's arriving in November and I'm sure it will take time to get used to, but im not anywhere as nervous as I was, prior to taking to an actual user, with similar uses as we will have.

[@Richard_McDonald_Woods]

Well constructed sequence of arguments. Thanks for toning down his anger. Others could well take note.

[@markhurdus-nc2sj]

I have a young family Dave, about to buy a Model 3… charging will ever be an issue.. if I’m on a long journey- I always stop off for about an hour… for food and rest for my little boy… how is ever range an issue… keep the vides coming Dave!

[@Sp_75-76]

I wonder if the ICE drivers with young children are training them to go 5/6 hours without a break?

[@sob2714]

Well done Dave, keep up the good work

[@stulop]

I've had some similaer conversations with people that don't have a heat pump at home. I've been living with one since 2013, an ev for 3 years. The nonsense I read in numbers and 'fact' is just ridiculous.

[@RichardBacon-h5x]

Nice summary, Dave, had one the other day, would never drive an EV because he drives from the south of England to Scotland non stop every week. So I asked how long did it took, nine hours he said, so you don't use the toilet for nine hours? Well, he said, I do stop for that. Oh so you do stop then.....and so it went on. There is a whole science behind change management, and it takes a lot more than the obvious to get someone entrenched on one side to move to the other. The interesting thing is once they switch they often become the standard bearer for the new side. So there is hope.

[@Gazer75]

People like this don't want to be told where and when to stop you know :P Some just pee on the side of the road, get food in that drive through, then eat while driving.

[@michaelturner6847]

Dave, you are right that he or she fails to understand what they are talking about. I think your response is spot on. Well done. He (or she) seems to get easily confused about a number of things, including when to use your and you’re. I guess if that person can’t get that right, there’s little chance of them understanding more challenging concepts. Having recently ditched my diesel car for an EV after researching and deciding which car to purchase I found your videos a great source and helped my understanding greatly. Thank you.

[@counterdebate]

As with most "haters" it's a subject they know little to nothing about but feel passionately about because of the great view from Mount Stupid 😁

[@David-bl1bt]

😂😂😂

[@bellshooter]

There is a misunderstanding here due to you being in UK and him in US. Plus he does not even understand the US charging nomenclature. US Teslas have the Tesla connector (now NACS designated) not a CCS (UK type 2, US type 1) , and you are correct he is totally mixing up US 'levels' with Tesla Rapid charger generations. Plus he seems to forget that V1 & V2 were also DC? He really doesn't know equine excrement...

[@DavidJones-jz9sb]

Hi Dave I am relatively new to your channel and am considering moving to EV in the next few months. I would like to say how informative and entertaining I find your videos. So keep up the great work and ignore the ignorance and bad mouthing of some people. It’s strange what an emotive subject it is some people I have spoken to have been horrified that I would even consider an EV 😊 keep up the great work it’s really helping me and many others I’m sure. Regards Dave 😊

[@enyaq_gorm]

In my experience the more ignorant they are the more adamant they are that they're right.

[@maxyrox123]

Hi Dave I am a subscriber who rely on your honest opinion about EV’s Even though I cant afford a Tesla you have been an inspiration for me to select my first EV. Always look forward for your content educating people like to make the first leap into EV. Your hack for not relying on home chargers and the several option including the granny charger was a big point for me to get an EV

[@roblilley3669]

As usual you give a considered and intelligent information. Love the channel. Thanks.

[@keithwillis5662]

Thanks for such a calm and well balanced explanation Dave. This person either has no experience with EVs or is trolling. I’ve foolishly engaged with trolls before, now I rarely engage unless it’s a sensible discussion.

[@bearcubdaycare]

What would be useful is a careful compendium of info about EVs, charging and so forth, for people considering buying an EV, or just curious. Although I own an EV, and previously owned a PHEV, most I learned piecemeal. The EV owners I know are software developers, used to figuring out technical stuff themselves, or looking up what they need to. But how is a member of the general public supposed to know what level 1, level 2 and level 3 charging are, how long they take to charge, what the charge curve is, what a road trip in an EV is like, how long batteries last? Tesla has famously depended on word of mouth, but that only gets you so far, especially if EVs are to expand to an ever broader audience. Maybe someone can compile that, nicely written and succinct, but covering key questions, perhaps like: Level 1 charging, 110V AC, converted by the car's onboard AC to DC converter to DC, typically about a kilowatt, typically constant nearly throughout the charging. The car's onboard electronics tests things like proper grounding before enabling charging. (Only relevant in places that have 110V AC, like America, Canada, Caribbean, parts of Brasil, etc.) Level 2 charging, like level 1 but 220V AC, limited in charging speed by the capacity of the onboard AC to DC converter, perhaps 7 or 11 kilowatts depending on make and model. Level 3 charging, often called DC fast charging, uses direct current, so no AC to DC conversion is needed, and the limits of the AC to DC converter do not apply. Older chargers can offer as little as 50 kilowatts; the fastest new ones can charge at 500 kilowatts, though some for large trucks/lorries will offer a megawatt. The maximum rate of charge is also limited by the car. A Chevy Bolt will only charge at 50 kilowatts max; some vehicles will charge at 350 kilowatts max. Many have limits in the 150 to 250 kilowatt range. The charging will be fastest when the battery is at a low state of charge (say, 20%), and slow as the battery reaches higher states of charge. For this reason, on road trips, people often only charge to, say, 80%, in order to save time. Level 1 charging is useful and adequate for typical daily driving around town, which in America averages under 40 miles. Some may find this adequate (I did for years), but many want level 2 charging available for the occasional longer driving day. Level 2 is good for overnight charging at home or on trips, or at work if available, or when stopped for hours. Outside the home, level 2 chargers typically require payment, maybe USD 0.15 to 0.25 per kilowatt hour. If left connected for a long time after charging, idle fees might be charged, in order to encourage freeing up the charger for others. Some places have curbside level 2 charging for people who can't charge at home. Level 3 charging is useful for short stops on road trips, or if operating a ride hail service. It can charge USD 0.31 per kilowatt hour or more. Many have plug and charge capability, in which the driver merely plugs in, checks for an indicator light, and walks away. The charger communicates with the car to bill the associated credit card. One practice is to stop every two hours of driving for a 15 to 20 minute break; this is the equivalent of "half a tank". In America, level 3 chargers are about this far apart, or closer, with bigger gaps in parts of a few states in the heartland. Numerous website and apps exist showing the locations of chargers, and typically their current status (in use, available, or out of order). Some charging networks have over 98% uptime, others less. (I'm not suggesting that this is a good write up, just pointing out topics that maybe an average person wants answered. Someone better skilled could do better writing and include nice graphics, maybe illustrative stories.)

[@VikPaints]

As a new EV owner and reaching the conclusion an EV would be my car after many months of research, I used to reply to the EV haters to justify my choice of fuel/vehicle but now I cannot be bothered as those types will hate something else if not EVs, it's just their mentality. I remain convinced electric is the future and ultimately time will tell.

[@Pete-rf6zz]

Well done for trying to explain to him. My car rapid charges just at 80kw which is not a Tesla, a MG5 long range using a DC CCS rapid charger and normally I just stop 20 to 30 mins max or plug in when someone needs a wee. But we only go on long journeys about a handful times a year and charge at home most of the time, or charge overnight about once a week for short journeys, everyday stuff. On a long journey normally one of the kids wants to stop and if an EV charger is just sitting there at a service station I plug in to top up as long as the battery has depleted enough but have found I could still be at 80% so I might not depending on the situation, EV battery size 62kw. We can normally drive about 2-3hours before it gets low and I need to stop anyway, normally need a comfort break and the battery level is about 25-30% at this point. I don't find it much inconvenience as you say. Kids normally need to stop at any time, sometimes we take the dog so we need to stop for him etc etc. We could do with more rapid chargers at service stations though to make rapid chargers easier to find even though there are plenty I do find myself planning my journey still but getting better to know where they are, and that is the god honest truth. I am not trying to make anyone convert but I love my EV cheap to run, doesn't smell, quiet, quick, and reliable. It is just a car and I find it fits in my life fine and the benefits outweigh the slight inconvenience of planning where to charge and I really enjoy driving again as it is less stressful especially in traffic and so peaceful and the acceleration never gets old, so smooth as I say if you really prefer a car that uses a different drive chain.thats fine too. I simply ignore these sorts of comments but most people I know have bought an EV or are thinking about buying one but as I say it is entirely up to them I am not pushing anyone. The government saying the stop of selling petrol/ diesel cars I think might be causing the histerity, but we can only continue to burn fossil fuels for so long until we run out and what then so I think the aim is a gradual transition away from doing that and it will also make the air we breathe cleaner and improve the environment we live in. It is just a car after all and if you can walk, bike or use public transport it is better but these things don't seem so popular, public transport is not for me anyway, maybe if public transport was reliable and more of it I may use it ❤❤❤❤️

[@VbinniaRadek]

Agree entirely. I have an mg 5 facelift long range. 80kw max DC fast charging on the car is not a problem. A pee ,a coffee, a sausage roll, and I'm usually back up around 200mile range, enough to get me most places I need to go. I don't think about range or charging times these days.

[@redjohn20001]

It's the anger I can't understand. I haven't seen so much anger since my caravaning days.

[@nicksportster8711]

Unfortunately the ‘anger’ is mostly created by the internet a lot of people nowadays believe what they read on facebook or the like and just spew out the same to others and can’t be bothered to do their own research.

[@davedrake5769]

@@redjohn20001 I suggest the anger you refer to, is rebelling against the government attempting to force the issue and not allowing people make their own choice.

[@barrymurton8988]

You can’t argue with that sort!

[@tangerinestorm]

He is confusing Level 2(AC) and Level 3(DC). Clearly doesn't want to admit to being wrong

[@ziggarillo]

He's confusing type 2 AC with Tesla V2 DC

[@Gazer75]

This is a silly US thing tbh. They call them Level 1, 2 and 3. To me its the on board charger using AC, or DC fast charging with an external charger. No levels or "rapid" or "ultra rapid" or whatever they call it in the UK as well :P AC is not fast charging its slow, so no idea why you need the "rapid" wording tbh.

[@Sp_75-76]

He’s just confusing! Is it a ‘he’ by the way?

[@pauleast4372]

There is a straight lack of knowledge, not knowing the difference between Alternating current and Direct current. Sad people feel that they can be offensive on (all) social media because they are anonymous - it is a really sad comment on this form of communication and the only solution is to cease communication as soon as anyone resorts. Of course, they are left feeling self-congratulatory by the silence but that is not worth wasting breath on.

[@Paul-hu3zr]

Dave you missed the reference to America in his comment, he is confusing what the US call "Level 2" chargers which are 240v AC, standard they are 120v AC 'Level1". So actually if you see his confusion he is correct. You are talking Tesla V2/V3 and AC Type 2, and are correct. USA and GB divided by a common language

[@lesunsworth978]

I find it very satisfying when asked about my EV in regards to range and charging. In my Ioniq5 I am currently getting over 300 miles on a full charge. I pay 8.5p/kw so full charge costs me £6.54 which is approximately same cost of a gallon of unleaded fuel, so on that note I am getting over 300 miles/gallon, and I can get most places without charging and over last 3 years of EV driving I’ve only used rapid chargers about a dozen times and usually Tesla charger so paying 50/60p per kw and only put in what I need to get back home. To me it’s a no brainer.

[@owencondron1690]

Hi Dave. My name is Owen,earlier this year I bought my first EV. It’s a Zoe ZE50, a few weeks ago i did my first long trip,Derbyshire to Sussex. A couple of grazing charges on service breaks, and used Connected kerb for destination charging. 2 weeks,840 miles driving, no issues.👍

[@davetakesiton]

Nice to hear Owen. Fact not fiction

[@pauld7827]

I've had my EV for nearly 3 years and have had good and bad experiences with public charging. Around the southeast there is no issue filling the car up. In the same way, going to and through France no issues. This was definitely not the case in the UK when I first got the car. I'm on holiday in North Wales and this week it has been an absolute nightmare the nearest rapid charger is 48 miles away and is really expensive! Locally (within 25 miles) the first charger would only charge at 7kW and it was a pay and display car park, the next was closed/not working. Then the third was occupied and as it was a carpark at the bottom of a popular mountain walk, there was no guarantee the driver would be back shortly and it was 7kW. It said there were 2 charge points but didn't mention that only one could be in use at any time. Found a 22kW charger but it would only charge at 7kW and then shut down after 10-15 minutes having dispensed just 51p of electricity. This experience has been repeated and I'm now 48 miles away from a fast charger with about 100 miles on the GOM. Do I risk a potentially wasted journey without the ability to drive very much further? Electric public charging can be a £1 a kW and is often 79/89p kW. That's around 21p/mile at 79p to 27p at a £1 per kW compared to a petrol at typically 16p/mile. I'm in a love hate relationship with the car now. When I'm home and charge there it's quiet, smooth relatively cheap to run. The depreciation is absolutely horrendous with a very good chance that's its residual value being less than the outstanding finance. It's had it's ups and downs but I'll probably go back to a petrol car. It's all very well idiots in the government saying we'll all be driving electric cars in just a few years time, but they need to make sure that there is affordable and sufficient chargers everywhere. Oh and some places you just cannot charge your car from your home. Politicians, if only they had brains.

[@chrishar110]

Where is that place? Did you use zap map? Where you live, hotel, Airbnb or what ever doesn't have a 3 pin socket? I went at N. Wales with an i3 with 100 miles range and didn't have any problems. I didn't stress at all. I just stopped at the last DC charger before that charging desert, filled, went to my destination with 40% left, went to a parking with 7Kw chargers, charged for 2 hours, spend 50% at runs around, went to that parking again, charged again and left. I returned to the DC charger, charged and returned home.

[@pauld7827]

@@chrishar110 Use ZapMap, staying on a cottage which has no parking, so running a cable down the street isn't an option! Also, who wants to sit on a 7kW charger for 3 hours? I'm supposed to be on holiday! Unless the government sorts out public charging, or is more realistic on time scales, we are going to have great problems.

[@mikegipson1224]

I think you'd find the petrol would have been well over 21p/mile and surely doing the good thing for peoples health and the climate and the fact it is so much smoother you wont go back? Oh and ICE cars are losing just as much by the way. I expect ICE will start to lose more than they even do now now the ban on brand new ICE is back at 2030.

[@pauld7827]

@@mikegipson1224 Nope, my previous car would do 45mpg and I used a lower mileage for my example. Us pioneers have bought our cars and yet virtually everyone I know will not buy an EV. You will get business/company car sales as the hits won't affect these buyers. The price of second hand ICE cars will go up as they become less available, the basic rules of supply and demand. The government has also made a huge mistake regarding road tax. Most people would be happy to pay the basic rate for their EV. But, most EV's are over £40k and therefore will be taxed as 'luxury cars'. Just checked the Ford website, none of their EV's are under 40k, even the Vauxhall Corsa is approaching £39k. That's a small city car! You can't get a price on an Astra as the site comes up with an error. But from asking around they are also over £40k. So your fuel savings (if charging from home) are wiped out by the road tax for vehicles over £40k of an additional £410 a year on top of the standard road tax. This is around 60-65 gallons of petrol depending where you live. Yes as an EV owner I appreciate all the benefits, but I'm not prepared to turn a blind eye to the downsides. Sorry if this comes across as anti-EV, but my holiday has been ruined having spent hours trying to charge, I didn't go anywhere today as I need to be able to easily reach another charge site if the one I intend going to is not available for whatever reason. No doubt in a couple of weeks when this is all behind me I'll be happy again. At least until it's time to change/hand the car back in November.....

[@chrissmith2114]

Nobody really hates EV ( except when they have to park near one ) , what they hate is being FORCED by legal means to buy them... EV should be a choice, not a mandatory imposition. Let the market decide, that has always worked in the past.

[@steveknight878]

I have commented on a number of KZbin channels that try to prove that EVs are failing, most owners are trading in their EVs for ICE cars and the like. I give the facts and figures as best I can. What I don't understand is how angry some of them get, and think that they can win the argument by calling EVs milkfloats. Well, these milkfloats will outperform most ICE cars, and cost peanuts to operate. Ultimately, though, it doesn't really matter - EVs will either succeed or fail - time will tell. My money is on them succeeding, big time. But I don't understand the hate and anger. Where does that come from?

[@mikegipson1224]

They obviously are happy to spend thousands on grotty Dino juice! They never think about peoples health let alone the climate...

[@damiendye6623]

It comes from the deep down fear of change in the uneducated. To be open to change means your also open to education and self development while being closed to concepts like religion which when investigated is show just to be a control mechanism.

[@ObiePaddles]

You have there options I think: 1. Don’t enter these debates and leave it to us and we probably will get involved (I do it occasionally for fun btw as you get nowhere!). 2. Link to the Fully Charged debunking pdf 3. Make it into content: a series of ‘debunking myths (or debunking the Telegraph!), / education videos that cover the BS / FAQs / common misunderstandings by non-EV owners comments (eg: charging speed, 😂long journeys, etc). Then you can simply post a link to the video and move on. Include a video that is something like ‘what people would dont like EVs get right’.

[@ISuperTed]

Don’t bother, they have no idea what they are talking about. I often take the Mickey out of them on a certain website, they hate it when facts are given to them. Just keep on keeping on!

[@David-bl1bt]

Yes, I do the same. Its funny how once their arguments are disproved with facts their conversation on the subject stalls.

[@lupo10]

I have the best of both worlds. A duel motor Polestar and a 6 cylinder BMW. I get to annoy both sides of the argument anytime I choose 😂

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers Dave 👍

[@ronvalente65]

I had a conversation with an elderly neighbour, he went on to say all the things that are banded about by the defeatest brigade, batteries don't last, again the one you have just discussed about charging, cars are too heavy and are banned from multistorey car parks, and are damaging the roads being too heavy, plus many more, I asked him if he had seen this on the internet! no I don't use the internet Iv'e worked it all out for myself! ok then at the end of the conversation he said " my grand daughter keeps telling me I'm wrong" and I don't believe her either! I smiled and walked away.

[@peterjones6640]

I think this highlights the problem with social media, it can reinforce prejudices, especially if you don’t apply some critical thinking to what you read.

[@johnmason5626]

I think Dave’s experience just backs up my experience that the vast majority of people criticising EV are aggressive and abusive morons. I enjoy making them look like the idiots they are. I would suggest that you ALWAYS include evidence to support what you say because the haters hardly ever do and when they provide a link it’s to one of the professional KZbin EV haters.

[@jimcoles5697]

I knew so little about EV charging before I owned one. So I don't blame the nieve. But the difference with me was that I researched and test drove and crunched the numbers and made the right decision for me. If people want to continue to drive petrol and diesel cars, that's up to them. I will never try to put them off. But they ask me about life with an EV, I always answer from experience rather than something I read about on the Internet.

[@BrisbaneTeslaGuy]

Great points here and I bet it took no more than 10 minutes to crunch those numbers and convince your self

[@alaninman3318]

I am surprised that you have wasted your time on this individual. Keep up the good work Dave.

[@watchmrcontent]

I think there's a mix up between type 2, V2 and level 2. As you've described, type 2 is the sort of socket/plug (now universal in many parts of the world). V2 is a version of Tesla chargers. Some Americans use level 1, 2, 3 to describe their charging options: Level 1 is typical home charging (very slow when your domestic voltage is 120v in the US, vs 240v in Europe); level 2 is charging off a 240v connection (installed in US homes to feed tumble driers etc) and so can deliver 7kw or so AC; and level 3 is a vague term to describe faster DC charging (which as EV drivers know, can come in many speeds).

[@paulclements7617]

It's all about subtlety. When asked about me driving an EV, I exaggerate the fact that I was an EV sceptic before I got one forced on me (which I was to some extent). I tell them how pleasantly surprised i was by the experience and that the anti EV myths are simply not true. They look at me with a surprised look on their face and go 'oh so you would recommend one then'. All I say is that I probably won't go back to ICE if it can be helped. I think the issue that gets the EV haters going, is when Evangelists come across with the 'I'm right and your wrong attitude' and 'you shouldn't drive ICE cars, they are killing the planet etc'. Motoring is one of the UK's long established institutions, the transition away from the internal combustion is seen as a threat to this institution. It's no surprise some people get upset by this change and will jump on any negative comments to resist change.

[@bellshooter]

Well articulated Dave! You can educate eager people, talking to brick walls is pointless.

[@johnhowarth8822]

I don’t drive an ev but I drive a hybrid. The pleasure when my battery takes over and I run purely on electric. Then sometime later the battery needs charging and the petrol engine kicks in to recharge the battery. My next car will definitely be a pure EV.

[@jockmcminer_uk6629]

Man, this guy doesn’t know jack. I wouldn’t have wasted time with him, just ask him to book a Tesla test drive, free and really easy. Then ask him who knows s**t. Love vids Dave

[@williamblue9996]

I now down play the benefits of owning a EV to save an argument thank you for videos and advice

[@stephenbagwell8275]

In England there’s more and more Type 3 Rapid DC Chargers being installed & they’re getting faster It might take an hour to fully charge a Model Y as the charging rate drops as the battery gets full

[@rogerbroughall5060]

The Best way of trying a EV is to take test drive and find out for themselves

[@videocanonuser]

I would agree but, Hertz car rentals USA were obviously abused by motorists who failed to look after the rental vehicle. If anyone could hire high performance electric cars before getting competent no wonder Hertz lost money. They were truly taken for a ride!

[@Historic_Adventures_UK]

Am new owning an EV and even I know that person is totally WRONG, I’ve learned before I got my EV from places like google, and KZbin

[@redbudgieuk]

I've stopped arguing. If they are genuinely curious then fine, I'm quite happy to discuss. But if the opening lines are, so how much is it going to cost to replace the battery or when is it going to burst into flames, then it's discussion over. They are usually closed and 110% sure they are right. If I'm being mischievous then I'll respond, "yes it's a pain when it bursts into flames every couple of weeks but you get used to it" then walk away. Great summary and review as always.

[@G6EJD]

The correspondent is clearly American, but unfortunately he is completely wrong. I have observed that American education is very polarised, either very good or very bad, willing leads to comprehension issues with many Americans, I shall say no-more😳

[@tangoadvance8393]

The EV advert comments on Facebook are bordering on unbelievably stupid. When you look though a lot are the same people commenting the same thing time and time again.

[@neillgeary6952]

They are clueless, leave them be.

[@stever656]

I recently bought a Tesla m3 rwd new to take over from my Kona EV which I have had for 4 yrs and has done over 50K miles now there are 2 other EVs in my street a 8yr old leaf and 3yr old mg5 one of our neighbours think that our whole street could go up in flames despite showing them facts they still tell us we have massively depreciating cars that cost us an absolute fortune to run and I should not have bought the Tesla as after 4yrs with my other EV I should have known better. You cannot argue with people who do not want to listen at all. By the way they have 2 cars a Range rover and Audi Q8 😅

[@markfp9705]

I've got a kia ev6. At southwaite services 2 weeks ago the only unoccupied charger was 11kw/h. Supermarket chargers, tesco, are the same. Quick charges shouldn't be pot luck

[@keithbartlett9947]

Hi Dave , charge rates aren't the issue. Every charging station is fitted with a throttling device controlled via the local grid, if power demand is excessive they can reduce power to charging stations and that will always be the first port of call for power demand reduction

[@PHILGREGOIRE-p4k]

I’m new to the ev world I commute 100km per day and need a vehicle with a comfy ride , got fed up with gas prices paying $125 a week and hydro in Manitoba, Canada is .095 per kw it’s a no brainer, it’s been two months and my cost is $65 per month, nice to have extra cash on hand!!!

[@brianc5788]

Keep at 'em Dave!

[@ClanMidgard]

@11:20 don't tell them about a Renault Zoe R135 and it's AC22kw (though I have used an AC43, and gotten 43kw for around half the time it was charging, then it dropped back to 22kw once it reached around 80%, but officially they only reach 22kw) charging capabilities... though to be fair, it only gets 50kw on DC. I take about an hour and 15 minutes on a DC 50kw, about 2 hours and 15 minutes change on a 22kw (52Kwh battery) if I run it below zero (there is a buffer at 0 of a few kwh), but my average charge time on AC is around 45 minutes at a time for average use. We do not have a home charger as we live in an apartment. I don't know about other people, but I like to take regular breaks when driving long distances... you know... for health and staying alert reasons. You should never drive to the point where your reactions are slowed or you are tired, and you are not fresh and capable to drive. The DVSA also specifically state that you should take a break every 4.5 hours of continuous driving of at least 45 minutes (though you can break this up into a 15 minute and a 30 minute stop), with a maximum amount of driving a day of 9 hours (with two 10 hour days to accommodate for delays etc). Now, this is applied mainly to long distance drivers, but should you cause an accident, and it is found that you were driving for more than 9 hours, or 4.5 hours without a break, you can land yourself in far more legal issues even if you are not an employed long distance driver. Taking the above into consideration, the most you should be driving in one run is about 315 miles (at 70mph... and good luck keeping this average at this so more like 250), so any car with more than 330 miles of real world range will take you FAR further than you should be doing anyway. I personally can only do about 150 in a stretch, then need to take a break. This is perfect with our Zoe as it will do 200 without really trying (I get about 225 if I drive carefully at 60mph) in summer, and 185 in winter too (our Zoe doesn't lose much range in winter thankfully). This gives me the 45 minute break needed while the car charges, and then I am good to go another 150 miles. Most of the time, I do about 2 hours of driving then take a break however, just as that doesn't leave me too tired afterwards. Living in Northern Ireland, there really isn't much call for driving more than 200 miles anyway to be fair.

[@stevejewiss532]

Theres no point arguing with these people , Ive had days long conversations with people online and even when you provide them with facts theyll find something else to try and trip you up . All they do is make themselves look stupid and ignorant . I just ask them simply why they hate EVs so much ? Did they hurt their children or kill their dog or something because they get really abusive and agressive . Why they dont just say simply ' I dont like the idea of one and wont buy one ' simple !!!

[@mikegipson1224]

You can say that their ICE car really is 'hurting' children/adults thru toxic fumes let alone they screw up the climate - but hey they just don't believe anything it's just ignorance!

[@DanBurgaud]

re Change Battery every 2 years: It will be replaced for FREE, for 10 years! Can ICE cars get their engine replaced ? NO! re Range: 99% of my daily drive is within 20km. Why should I worry about range? re Type 2: Actually it can be used for ~30kw (but needing 3phase). Unfortunately, most Type2 EVs are wired for 1P, so you are still accurate to claim it is only ~7KW... re Charging: I can charge at home. I can charge with Solar. I can generate my own electricity with solar/wind; but not even the most genius chemist can not cook his own gasoline at home on a regular basis. I dont mind charging my EV for 4 hours, 8 hours, 12 hours. I go home, park EV in garage and charge while I sleep. ICE cars need to go to a gas station, wait in line, fill it up and the whole process takes him 30 minutes+. So who wasted time?

[@gunnarparment5050]

The boring thing is when I take my time to answer, and I later realize they are just trolling. That time spent, I will never get back. Oh, one little thing. I actually had a Renault Zoe while I was waiting over one year for delivery of my car. It doesn't have CCS, so it was obviously only for för local travel, but still, it could charge at type 2 at 22 kW, while most other cars are limited to 11 kW AC charging. I did find it to be a gamble if the charges were 11 or 22 kW. I guess the 22 kW might be more common in France? Anyway, 11 kW is more than enough at home. When on a road trip, my car does 150 kW charging. At home, I never wait for a charge. I'm getting so used to always starting with a full battery, so at work, I tend to forget filling up petrol until the little yellow light comes on. 🤣

[@stekeeley1936]

I'm pretty sure that there was a " Pro-asteroid popular dinosaur front"... it's never ending 😂😂😂

[@stekeeley1936]

...oh don't mention the fact my Megane also has an onboard inverter that converts 11kv to 22kv.... onboard!!!!!😂😂😂

[@cemented1]

dave, what a great video! I have found that all the biggest "know it all's" have never even sat in an ev. the arguments are childish and ignorant. absolute ignorance.

[@simonpaine2347]

I've literally jyst got home, unloaded the car, sat down and found this. I've had an EV for nearly 2 years and today I took it back go have some paintwork done on it under warranty. It had a chip since new, but the dealership is a long way away, so I've been putting it off! I had to hire a car to get home and ended up in a Mitsubishi ICE abomination. What a great way to get me appreciate my EV even more than I do already! They are welcome to their polluting machines.

[@KnoleLane]

Model S and X actually have 22kW AC onboard :)

[@PazLeBon]

In reality it is 100% NOT the right answer for everybody and 100% IS the right decision for others. People fighting in only one corner are as narrow minded as each other :) For my circumstances it would be a massive carbon hole i couldnt replace so its a clear avoid car-wise. But many of our tools and plots can all run solar and batteries which ARE sustainable for me

[@PJWey]

Fear (leads to anger and hate) Uncertainty (confusion) Doubt (head scratching) This is the currency of the media and many outsets sadly

[@redbudgieuk]

Also Scots slang for "Idiot"

[@johngonon1507]

Unfortunately there are a lot of people like that ... but it can also be a troll that is paid to FUD on EVs. I must point out that my 2017 Zoe doesn't have a CCS port (which was never a problem since it wasn't the "trip" car). And I never had to care how much time the battery would take to charge ... the only thing that mattered was that it was always enough. I did take it on a 128 km trip one day to see (I knew I could charge at destination) and arrived at 50% battery. I never had range anxiety. With my ICE car though I always need to go out of my way and fill it in a station.

[@rp9674]

I got in a discussion with an EV hater, he was starting to open his mind, I should have backed off then

[@zaranohare1768]

Not been to a tax robbing petrol station for 9 months lol, and not been to my mechanics garage either, it's a joyous experience driving an BEV, much less of handing money over to other people 😊😊😊

[@martinhammett8121]

There is very little push back against hybrid car this is because they can pretend they are not polluting. A few people in work have plug in hybrids which they never plug in !

[@MrGMawson2438]

I'm thinking that person could be spam

[@1964mcqueen]

For some, range is more important than speed if they seldom, if ever, drive beyond that range. If the only road trip I do is to see family 200 miles away, do I care how long it takes to charge at either end of that trip. I charge at home while I sleep, and at my sister's home while visiting, and don't care at all how long either session takes. In this use case, the person may never need a public charger, nor a DC Fast Charger. Others may need the fast charging more than total range, in which case, Dave's use case makes more sense. It comes down to understanding your options and matching your vehicle to your driving needs. In North America, we refer to AC Charging as Level One and Level Two. Don't worry about people like the rude, misinformed commenters. They are likely engaged in several on-line arguments simultaneously, trying to convince people that up is down, and the sun rises in the west. Not worth your time.

[@markhamilton7289]

Having a car that can charge at 22kw AC (on a type2) or 150kw on DC I find this absolutely ideal as in ALMOST all circumstances i ca get a decent charge in pretty short order.

[@clivepierce1816]

I fear for the mental health of the nation. I suspect every EV driver has had a similar encounter either online or in person. As the saying goes, “You cannot reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themself into.”

[@BrisbaneTeslaGuy]

I certainly have down here in Australia. These commenters are of 2 types, dim at best or I believe they are actually paid for bots/employees of companies paid to to sit and target EV creators

[@JaseEtheridge]

It's so difficult engaging with people like that. At the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their view, opinions, and beliefs... however, when people get so angry and are not willing to even accept a simple dialog it's not even worth further replys (in my opinion). To be brutally honest, I've had more sensible discussions with flat-earth folk, than that chap. Anyway, great video as normal. I'm a newer EV driver and after having to adjust from filling up when I needed, to charging when I'm out and about (e.g. charging when I'm doing something else), it's great!

[@althomas7937]

Range anxiety only exits for non EV owners. Once you buy an EV you’re only interested in charging while you stop, not stopping to charge. I do have bladder anxiety though to balance the conversation, so I look forward to a pee / coffee stop (and a charge obviously). EVs are the future and I think of my Polestar 2 as a spaceship from Star Wars 😬

[@BMWHP2]

I wonder what goes wrong in the brains of those haters. If they dont want an EV, they just don't have to buy one. Why are they doing the effort of going to some media and react negatively on EV related stuff? Are they mentally damaged? He just has to go to EV-database. That will tell the charging speed of all EV's.

[@ezeJeff]

Tesla Super chargers come in variants of V1 (oldest) = 100kW, V2 = 125 kW or 150kW, V3 = 250kW, V4 (most recent} = 250kW.

[@vic2152]

There are some people who deliberately and knowingly use false arguments. Don't think you should take these kind of people on. Opinions have become polarised arround EV's but eventually the pros and cons will become so glaringly obvious that extreme arguments on either side of the divide will be silenced.

[@jameschapman4824]

I wouldn't have given him the time of day to be honest. To some of these EV haters the only "facts" they want to hear are the ones that they believe. So it really is no point in getting into conversation with them IMHO. Just agree to disagree and walk away. You can tell what type of person he is with the conversation descending into abuse from his side.

[@thomasjohnbirks132]

Misinformed and inexperienced people will often make ridiculous comments. Just ignore them. We all know the real facts.

[@clivethomas6864]

People like that are not worth bothering with. A little bit of knowledge is dangerous for some people.