Should I keep the Elbow/Spacer? TurboJohn 532ci BBC is almost READY......

The BBC is almost completed.... We picked up some stud used stud girdles, hopefully they hold up for a while. Would love to go shaft mount at some point, but just not in the cards at the moment. This elbow spacer combo is pretty tall too, may have to switch this up... lol What do y'all think?
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[@alistairhennessey886]

Somebody send this man an intake

[@gjponsford4892]

Get a lower profile elbow, that thing is a skyscraper…. You won’t see the tree when your in the left lane.

[@charleybetts1053]

Did you see the engine/intake placement in the saturn?? It sat out of the hood like a screw blower! Lol

[@RedEyedPatriot]

Sorry that person was calling you names in the chat last night. I dont have a wrench in that chat or I woulda blocked them. Ive got a wrench in all the other channels so if I see that again I got you Bro. Stay Grindin John. 😎

[@TurboJohnRacing]

Troll for sure! Thanks bud!

[@jacobdeem8187]

That elbow is silly lol

[@maj.kamper9314]

Do things differently this time around. Set the bar higher. You’ve got good friends around you. Try to build this car with plenty of work space and well thought placement of plumbing and wiring. All your old cars were hard to look at. Wires everywhere and they just didn’t seem to flow well. Piping, plumbing, wiring. Just make it look cleaner. This car deserves it and so do you.

[@johnwalls4579]

A nice lower intake manifold would really be nice to make that car look really nice with a hood.

[@jasonhastings5538]

Man this new car is gonna be a beast!!!!

[@charleybetts1053]

It really is! He's losing over 500lbs, getting a much better chassis and suspension, moving the engine back like 8+inches, OH yea and going to a BIG Block! There will be a learning curve in the beginning, but once it's ironed-out, it's going to be 💯 serious Contender (on any surface).. I'm looking forward to seeing him have the engine/chassis to be able to compete with the top small tire N/P guys (kcmax, Frankenstein, Cantu, etc) He deserves to have better stuff.. he works his ass off, and super humble.

[@pb5778]

Thanks for sharing this video with us

[@freddiemoralez1536]

Thanks for the update and God bless all 🎉🎉

[@TitusPerformance]

What determines the amount of oil to the top end of the engine are the clearances, not the "volume" of the oil pump. Once the open pressure of the bypass is achieved the remaining volume is bypassed from the engine oil passages back to the pan. The engine clearances do not change with rpm therefore the amount of oil to the top does not either. A higher volume oil pump will bypass more oil but pump no more to top of the engine at max pressure.

[@freddiemoralez1536]

🎉🎉 prayers 🙏 for both of these motors being built to last, be strong and maintance free. 🎉🎉

[@FORCFED]

John , get shaft rocker setup !! You will pull the intake studs out even with a girtal system!!! High flow BBC heads are super thin on intake runners buddy . It will cost you more when she goes and dhe will bud . Take my advice it happens every time. BBC Rule!!! 💪😎

[@jasonstormoen]

I think those are just out of the box bbc afr heads. He knows and will get there with shaft rockers.

[@FORCFED]

@@jasonstormoen out of the box CNC AFR heads lol they're thin sir . They will rip the stubs out of intake side possibly crack the top of runner in the process. Sad but true with high flowing heads which these are..... They're over 365 CNC heads I can tell . Hope he doesn't but I I'm sure with that camshaft and rpm they'll break . Sucks but true

[@garylucier6817]

It takes 10 mins to cut an oil filter apart. 2 oil changes in 135 race miles so far, both cut apart, plus a sample so far analyzed. I did not analyze my straight 30W breakin oil. But, now have a baseline to warn me of future changes over time. First filter had some minor trash ( but that block sat at machine shop for over 12 months, 3 weeks so it was expected). 2nd had a total of 7 tiny specks in it totally unfolded over 6' plus of filter material.

[@markdewberry9452]

Please take the new rods back out and have them pin fit. Many times new rods need to be pin fit especially for a boosted application. Best of luck!

[@johngoodman7160]

Lucas oil stops the wrist pin from messing up I've used it for 31 years its awesome

[@alanjanderson9789]

John get rid off those stud mounts rockers they WILL cost you money or a race in time ask me how I know have been running blown bbc for 40yrs now and still at it shaft mounts steel or stain steel is the best way to go you only have to buy one set once you will pull a stud once you get up into 7000 rpm range

[@scottanderson2642]

Most likely the additional cylinder pressure from the boost! Rods are probably designed for N/A.

[@donnielove4456]

Lower Spacer. Going To Be 💪💪

[@bobbyborba6460]

Ditch the whole intake and find a low profile. But of course it’s easy to say when I’m on this side of the phone. Good luck with it brother

[@fishmasterdan]

Do what you can to put a hood on it. Looks way cooler

[@sleeperimpala2504]

The elbow looks fine. Everyone wants to spend your money lol

[@caseym3118]

The splashing issue is what I thought when I first seen the piston pin bore galling as well because it wouldn’t affect the piston . There was a lot of heat in that pin from the colour . John I really like your show and all your buddies! Good group of friends!

[@scottterwiel]

Maybe that thin bushing is too thin to hold the press fit. Spinning it and starving the top hole access to oil and creating too much heat growng the pin then pin grabs the pistons and wipes out the pin bores... Tops of piston are brand new and if the rings still have tension i cant see it being a tunning issue, not that i know what im talking about. Im facinated by mechanical failure. Always been very interresting to me

[@rgroller4683]

Turbo John I know you don't want to listen to the raccoon however I removed every high volume high pressure pump on every LS I built high pressure standard volume or standard pressure standard volume and put an extra qt in it ! Old man engine builder raccoon told me about this he done it way longer than me MyLS is on an airboat so you can imagine how long my foot stays in it!

[@rgroller4683]

O and them Damm Raccoons taxed the hell out of me till I listened. Costed me a block and complete rotating assembly and then the second time cuz I didn't want to listen got me the rods and the pistons then I start paying my Big Mac!

[@Kincentc]

Poor Mike. He got a lemon set of rods. Seen too many boostlines stay together and split blocks from hydrolocking to blame the rods

[@diygaragetx]

The problem with the lx next pro blocks is that they only have 4 x 7/16" holes to drain ALL the oil back into the pain. The oil from the heads drains into the lifter valley too, no passages into the pan from the heads like a gen1 sbc. Mine got to 15psi oil pressure at 8800. Didn't hurt it, just needed bearings redone. This time I have a 10qt pan and slots cut into the lifter valley similar to how your bbc is done.

[@FordDude.]

Time for him to give up on the LS stuff and just go alium 540 BBC keep up the great work John

[@stacyparker1299]

Out with the old. In with the new.

[@jaygullion8013]

Get one of those see thru oil filters tj that way you can see bearing material metal junk etc... that's what saved cleet on his smx one time they seen some trash cleaned the filter seen it again and made the call to stop running and saved the engine and just put new bearings in and was good! They are pricey but compaired to a new block heads crank etc.... well worth the money

[@johncox6292]

I’m with Mike i would change the rods and pistons to another brand for sure

[@whereisamerica7384]

Boy I hate to see Randy have trouble like that, but he sure got lucky that he tore that apart. You guys are right, that would have been an ugly mess.

[@petemcpeterson6205]

You ever think that the pistons hitting the head are what caused the bushings to get beat out in the first place?

[@joeb9793]

If you’re gonna use the elbow, ditch the spacer. Just my opinion.

[@johngoodman7160]

That BBC would look better with the flat intake turbo intake 😊

[@doughopkinsjr]

Possibly the wrist pin was "loose" on the rod. Prochargers are hard on parts unfortunately.

[@Mike-hf5oj]

You never attached the elbow to the intake, but in my opinion a Lower Profile Throttle Body would be better, possibly for under a HOOD

[@Smokey72013]

I've seen that same thing happen on many of weiscos bushed rod ends. They say thinner bushing allowed more material on the small end for strength. I still think it is too thin and y'all ready for aluminum rods anyways

[@precisiondiesel225]

Aluminum rods are very forgiving and when there is a rod failure, they don’t tear everything up like a steel rod does.

[@davidgough1161]

I think that is why aluminum rods are becoming more common, there is more wear on the pin side. I think that is normal for a steel rod for a drag car. I have been watching a lot of people have gone to an aluminum rod due to this wear and then not going 40-50 runs for a set of rods. They are not junk, just a different animal these days. You are getting more power than even a few years ago. It is the evolution of the sport, some things wear more as you make more power. I think this is an example of the evolution of the sport.

[@rangerst_870]

Put those engines on an engine dyno. best to give it a few rounds of being beat on BEFORE you go through all the issues of getting the engine assembled in the car. Then you know your horsepower numbers and torque numbers and where to accordingly set up the rest of your combo to get the best performance and fastest passes.

[@hotcolors9455]

I bet oil squirters would have helped Mikes pin bearings. They make a kit with a drill jig so you can install them yourself in an LS. But it would need torn down the rest of the way.

[@rickbegeman4371]

What about rod side clearance? You can still check that... If sufficient oil was not there to lube the wrist pins that would suggest that the rod side clearance was tight. Some teams notch the side of the rod to direct oil to the piston.

[@precisiondiesel225]

Steve Morris makes a billet 100 degree elbow with a 4500 base and fits a Wilson 105mm throttle body. The elbow is 5” tall. $650

[@tylercox8137]

I ran dss pistons and boost line rods last year and had detention going on that didn't show on the plug. Had head gasket failures what seemed randomly. Tore it down and the only bottom end issues I found was the piston collapsed around the pin and seized the pin from turning in piston. I had h series bearing and they looked awsome. Maybe the piston distorted blocking oil passage to the pin bushing in your case? Just a thought.

[@joshmiller8663]

Mike is right everything is going to break. Especially when you put high boost and hp through them. It's going to break.

[@stevenbelue5496]

Alu rod 540 is ideal imo

[@justinp2993]

The discoloration of that pin is a piece of the puzzle we didn't have last time. I'll pull back about 50% of my it has to be detonation thought. That is starting to look more and more like an oiling issue which absolves the rod or piston because let's face it those are very good parts. Maybe check the pin sizing on the new motor and have the pins fit if anything is even slightly off or inconsistent. I'm not sure I completely buy the high volume oil pump issue unless you did have some anomalies in the log about oil pressure. Oh and the elbow is TOO much.

[@danmyers9372]

I would ditch that intake and tall elbow and try to get a more modern EFI intake manifold. In addition to having a front mount throttle body they typically have better cylinder to cylinder distribution.

[@Jared45513]

I don't know as much on car parts but I know that wiseco bottom end kits on 2stroke motorcycles are really iffy, they fail a lot. I have run lots of their pistons and will continue, they are excellent, but won't risk trying their rods and cranks.

[@stevejesscarson2454]

I recommend that you run a 1275S intake gasket.

[@TurboJohnRacing]

Yes, I got the steel core

[@JudgeMeNotLeMans]

Mike I blame the Mopar gods trying to eradicate the LS virus in the engine bay… Maybe need a piston squirtter because of the instant boost and torque the blower produces?

[@precisiondiesel225]

Idk much but I do know that thin bushing is going to fail with less heat than what a normal thicker wrist pin bushing would.

[@XxMusclecarsxX]

mannn mike's car is rejecting the ls motor, it wants a hemi ahah

[@pontiac411]

BLP and others sale a jig to install piston squirters in most engines, they are pretty easy to use. I am guessing you are having the rod and piston pin holes sized properly and not just running them out of the box.

[@garywoodward847]

That elbow is a little tall John id definitely try to get something shorter and more radius.

[@toddclark332]

I don't know John whatever one you want to run but I sure love that Vega guy's have a great weekend ok bud later 🇺🇸💪🏼 how about a Dodge motor

[@TurboJohnRacing]

He’s thought about a Hemi

[@precisiondiesel225]

Hemis require A LOT of maintenance, more than most at this power level.

[@garyeland5681]

I say use it, see how it works, do some comparisons. Your elbow has been working on small block. Lots of others have been using big elbows on big blocks.

[@Final_Boss_Racing]

Dam I feel bad more Mike

[@rangerst_870]

Use a Melling M10295 oil pump.

[@DSRE535]

If you’re running a vacuum pump on his LS engine and your pulling too much vacuum it will suck the wristband dry for what it’s worth The other possibility is there is flex in the wrist pins and you might need either more pin clearance or dlc coated thicker pins

[@oldandboosted]

I have some Gen 3 hemi stuff if Mike wants to put a real motor in that Challenger. Lol

[@damianlindsey6177]

Its got a real motor in it. Not the dollar store knock off hemi shit lmao. My favorite kind of people to outrun is the hemi mopar guys. Y'all cry with every excuse in the world when your precious car gets gapped by a single plate small block ford. 😂😂

[@Jukeboxkcnsd]

I wonder if he flooded the engine. And it wiped down the cylinders and the methanol went. You know went down the cylinder walls and then got you know, washed into them. Bushings and seized for a little bit while he was trying to start it or fired up, and it was, you know, had too much fuel in it and a few galldepiston that that can happen Meetha. That could happen real fast. It's just the thought.

[@jalbarado1]

Wrist pin clearance was to tight... imo Oil slinging from the clearance of the rod / main bearings is what oils pistons/ pins /cylinders...

[@MartinMcMartin]

It certainly sits high above the engine.

[@jkfonyi]

I have never seen a steel rod live at 2000 in a ls engine .

[@johnunruh1086]

Looks like something from road warriors! Any deals on new style injection intakes?

[@richardpenner4686]

Solving problems is part of the drag racing challenge....you will figure it out....

[@Analogtodigital]

With the power Mike is looking to make, external oil pump is cheap insurance.

[@TurboJohnRacing]

1400-1600

[@stevenbelue5496]

Good used nascar piece, probly plentiful in that area

[@scottwilkins3170]

Ditch it and get a nice wilson elbow

[@scrappyclappedoutfoxbody4174]

Ditch lol. I have a very low elbow setup in Vic jr.

[@ruthlessronniethemechanic5639]

No get something a little lower in the intake department.

[@davidresar8256]

My question is, were the pins and pistons already pin fitted? If not, they need to be. Not enough clearance is the same as detonation. Check that clearance looser is better! Oftentimes, people think they can use parts out of the box. Good luck!

[@anotherbluenova6358]

Are those S3 metal core intake gaskets? If not you're gonna blow them out like you did the SBC....

[@TurboJohnRacing]

Yes, steel core

[@brucehawkins4366]

the eblow is sick thats why im rockin one

[@rachalhollier5679]

Keep the elbow,& the intake. Everything will be just fine okay,except for the hater’s, lol.

[@bigmikes2140]

Did you mic the pins to see if they are the same?

[@kevinz763]

Maybe a silly question but what weight oil has Mike been running in that engine and what for oil? Some of that may have been from the blower damage also and when he had the blower put together wrong from factory?

[@JohnClutch1]

Are bronze bushings normally that thin???

[@garylucier6817]

You guys are not required to build buy any rules. Mike, call Ross Piston, float the pistons on the pins, gun drill the rods, then use double spiral locks on each end of the pins. That way the pin end gets its oiling from the other bearing end of the rod.

[@jamesdavis4859]

Make it faster, put twin turbo on it

[@tptrsn]

What wall thickness did those wrist pins have? In some shots they look not thick enough for the power he's making. Pin flexing might lead to beating up those bushings. Have you guys checked them for straightness?

[@TurboJohnRacing]

.220 wall. Will see if we can check them once they are out

[@williamward3492]

Not going to lie but the elbow and spacer kinda looks cool. Now it's the elephant trunk big block 😂😂😂

[@mrmatt3093]

The ls is fine besides the issues you e been having but the main issue with your challenger is having a Chevy in it lol as a Mopar guy it seems wrong , gen 3 hemi is similar to a ls if you don’t want to build a gen 2 or a low deck or b/rb or maybe the r series la platforms …. Come on now lol maybe it’s the Mopar cost which I get

[@GeneG-wk2mz]

Not a dummy just learning from. The company’s parts you dealing with that want own to to parts failure

[@dannylee9138]

Who does your machine work

[@Adultmale1000]

Get a modern intake.

[@sendit2873]

do you really put some kind of sealer on the head gaskets I have never used anything but a tiny bit of high tack to hold it down to block so I don't kink or knick the gasket but I have always been told to never use any kind of sealer on the head

[@TurboJohnRacing]

On a copper head gasket, you have to use something around the water ports and oil return or it leaks. I used Hylomar.

[@mckinleydial4609]

And the guys engine need H beam rods.

[@TurboJohnRacing]

H beams are weaker than these I beams.

[@stevenbelue5496]

Johns got the right idea, alu mgp or r&r w/piston .010 down and send it. But its easy for somebody watching to throw ideas out, hope he gets it straightened out. Root cause would be nice to know so it dont happen to anybody else, i know i want to avoid it.

[@brianholcomb6499]

You will beat the ends out of aluminum rods also, if there’s an issue! Remember he’s at 0 deck & aluminum rods grow! Aluminum rockers on exhaust on a big block are going to break! Carry spares!

[@stevenbelue5496]

Boostlines are steel rods though right? My speculation is clearance, detonation would show elsewhere i would think. Wouldnt think oiling issue, if the rod bearing is getting plenty of oil then plenty should be getting slung up in the bore. Im sorry for Mike thats a weird one. Id mic the pin and make sure it wasnt a .928 or something. Props to him for catching that, wow, check them filters! Probly could save it all by boring or honing the pin bores for oversized pins.

[@mckinleydial4609]

Put this in the Saturn 🪐 sell the mustang john.

[@keysautorepair6038]

Definitely a oiling issue.

[@strokermaverick]

Hate, to see Mike having trouble. I know, its a ton money and aggravation.

[@precisiondiesel225]

Another example of why Aluminum rods are superior.

[@justincurry2907]

How much for a laffy taffy signed by TUrboJohn

[@kennethharmon6009]

Build you a hemi mike

[@TomGrooms2802]

Boostline / made in Taiwan

[@chicago_race_engines7538]

Yeah junk. I ditched them too

[@FORCFED]

Distributor clearance is .030 not .100 buddy

[@tptrsn]

Where does the oil from the oil pressure bypass go? Unless it goes to the top of the engine, this whole high volume pump thing seems like nonsense to me. The pressure relief determines how much volume can actually go though the engine. At a point, in order to push more volume through the engine, higher pressure HAS TO happen. Without the higher pressure, no additional volume can go through the engine, it all just goes through the pressure bypass. Right? Logically you need just enough volume to create the desired pressure in operation, and no more, because that is just extra heat in the oil, but beyond that, I think the "oil in the top of the engine" is an old wives' tale.

[@stevemayo1175]

John you know I am World Famous fo Throwing some thing out there But Why can yawl 3D Print some Plastic cages and use Like U joint Needle Bearings on the Rods like 2 Stroke Stuff Is that Stuff Survives with gas mix N Oil and very little Oil at that

[@stevenbelue5496]

Horsepower, torque, thrust determines what lives, a 2stroke at a few percent of the horsepower these engines make is why the needle bearing setup lives in the 2 stroke.

[@stevenhavick8579]

No way it was knock those big end bearings don't show it. Most likely wrist pins clearance are tight or pin's are bent

[@Lilmattw_freshoutdabox23]

Ditch it. New car new parts if possible.

[@frankkatsenis3812]

Mike Mike you are angering the mopar gods. Save the money get a hemi enough.

[@mikelellsaesser1320]

Yes get rid of it and intake. Get a low profile one and lower the weight of ur car.