Should I upgrade to the new Evolution R255 Jobsite Table Saw?

[@chriscole1859]

Hi JP, Great response video. Regarding soft start, think the pre-production model you were sent may be a ‘special’ as it appears to differ with the model Dean at Woodworkjourney was sent.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Yes maybe. The one I have is the saw that featured in all the marketing campaigns. Regards JP

[@garyloader1416]

Heya JP, I have the + version of this table. I contacted support about the riving knife and they said there is only one position for the knife. I asked if there was any way of cutting rebates or using some jigs safely and the response to that was "we don't recommend this on this product". I must confess I'm not too enamored by the response. No spares listed for the new saws and no shorter knife to offer. Removal of knife only option on this table to cut rebates. Maybe an aftermarket option will become available. A zero clearance throat plate has been discussed but not yet in production. Info received from Evolution as of today 24/4/24.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

I've had the same feedback. The rivink knife will be offered as a after market sale

[@Catstorm99]

Thank you for posting these details, I was about to buy it but I do need the riving knife to lower to blade level for things like half lap joints using that sliding part of the table on the left. Look forward to their response.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Soon as I get a response I will post it. Not sure it’s because I have the R&D saw. It’s the one they used in their marketing campaign. Regards JP

[@BestKiteboardingOfficial]

On the FB group they mentioned a sub blade height accessory riving knife in the works

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

@BestKiteboardingOfficial Hi. Thanks. Some guys have had these since January so should be in the know. Regards JP

[@northernrob8072]

Thanks for the comparison, i was going to biy this but then second guessing against the Rage 5. So this is very useful information

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Glad I could help! Regards JP

[@ianunwin]

i uae a small leaf blower to remove the waste inside the saw. take the cover off and its pretty clean in no time at all. or stick it on the extraction port fro a quick blow out great video

[@jjdebruyne]

mine just arrived today. I am impressed with it. I have the plus version

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Nice. Enjoy. Regards JP

[@lambd5578]

I’m going to get the plus version. Unfortunately Evolution tells me it won’t be back in stock until mid June. I hope you enjoy yours. Can’t wait to get mine.

[@garyloader1416]

@@lambd5578 They had a few come in last weekend all sold now, but because I registered to be notified I knew when they had stock. Too late though as I sourced at elsewhere (Amazon) extra £20 but I received last Saturday. Still in stock if you're interested.

[@garyloader1416]

@@lambd5578Amazon have the + in stock for £400. A search on their store doesn’t find it but if you google r255+ the link is there to go straight to. They are currently showing 30 in stock. Extra £20 for 6 weeks earlier was a no brainer for me.

[@garyloader1416]

@@lambd5578 the company that is named after a long South American river have 30 in stock for an extra £20. So £400. However you have to use a search engine and put in r255tbl+ and the long river firm will be listed. A direct search on their website finds the basic version only. I thought an extra £20 was worth getting it 6 weeks earlier. Not mentioning the companies as this is the 3rd time I’ve tried sending you this message but it doesn’t display.

[@waynerenshaw-multi-outdoor4521]

Thanks for the details and now ordered the R255 plus, and thanks for the link for the free saw blade ... Perfect as I was going to get there 5% discount on the R255+ glad I watched your videos, saved me a bit and cheaper from evolution than Amazon for the bench saw plus blade, saving of £80 👍😉

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi Wayne. Excellent. Hope you enjoy it. Regards JP

[@dougdavidson175]

Happy Easter JP, L & G. Concise answers to some common questions. TC&SS.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi Doug, happy Easter. hope you not eaten too many eggs 😊 Regards JP

[@GianniStorti]

I'm really looking forward to the Dewalt vs Evo comparison. I just ordered the 7492 when you posted the first video xD

[@johnnybravo3575]

It looks to me that this is very much a copy of Dewalt

[@steven_vogt]

You have put together a couple of Very interesting videos on this saw! Did you ever make the comparison to the DW 7**** video you mention in the comments?

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Thanks Steve. I have the smaller DW with the 9” blade. I was waiting for the shark fin for the Evo before I made it. I have only used the Evo since April and really like the saw. It is missing the shark fin though. Hopefully Evolution gets round to it soon. Regards JP

[@LeeGould-b6w]

Can I ask if the table saw is lightweight enough to carry up down stairs. Really appreciate your help. Great workshop

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

@@LeeGould-b6w Hi. It’s doable but you wouldn’t want to make an habit of it. Think it weights around 28 kg. Regards JP

[@LeeGould-b6w]

@@Smallbarnworkshop someone said it was 20kg? Maybe I’ll have to double check. My problem is I live in a house share and I find myself having to find somewhere away from the house to do any routering etc. I can get away with using my plunge saw in my room without too much hostility from my housemates. So my problem is around dust extraction and noise for any owner tool thus Do you think the table saw could be used indoors if used strategically? Otherwise I’m thinking of perhaps a model making table saw . Your thoughts are appreciated

[@paulhodgson4790]

I got the Rutlands when it was on pre-order for £250 and it's a cracking little saw but it's not as grand as this, this looks a way better saw. But £250 was all I could afford and I don't regret it. Hope you are all well and good.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi Paul. The Rutland seems very popular gauging the comments. We are all well here. Regards JP

[@FPL-LARD]

great review..Rutland do a table saw with better spec than this I feel, also comes with 3 year warranty, doesnt have the sliding table but at £295 + £50 if you want the stand it's a great saw for small shop enthusiasts.

[@keithhooper6123]

Yes,was watching test(Spitbark Studio),and seems very impessive.

[@willholt100]

All Evolution products comes with a minimum 3 years warranty

[@FPL-LARD]

@@willholt100 yes I know, I was pointing out that they are not the only ones who do...they all do actually

[@patrickgirard-k3g]

can you tell me about the precision of the side rail, is it easy to adjust with this rack system and is it just between the measurement adjusted on the saw and the piece of wood once cut, thank you

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Yes and yes. I’ve just literally cut a panel 485mm wide and set the fence to the same dimension, When setting up there is a calibration process to ensure it’s dialled in. Regards JP

[@patrickgirard-k3g]

@@Smallbarnworkshop I'm considering buying this saw to replace my Ryobi, thanks for the info

[@SamValiant]

What is the max cut differences between the two, and does working at the limits of that feel better on one or the other?

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Sam. Cut capacity is exactly the saw. The new saw is much smoother in action than the Rage %s. Regards JP

[@jamesmyles2009]

Hi JP - very informative video. I bought the R255+ and it's a massive upgrade on the Rage 5 I used previouslly. The sliding carriage is a great feature but there is about 1 or 2 mm of sideways slop over its length in mine. Have you noticed similar and has it made a difference to your ability to do cross cuts with that lovely mitre fence you have?

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi James. Yes, there is a bit of slop. To be honest I don’t use the sliding carriage that often. Firstly I forget I have it and secondly with the cross cut jig it topples over as it is side heavy. I have a fix for that but I need to get round to the project. Regards JP

[@jamesmyles2009]

@@Smallbarnworkshop Thanks for getting back to me. Look forward to seeing the project when you get to it. Merry Christmas.

[@jamieclarke321]

I’ve been considering dropping a couple of grand on a cabinet saw recently but this honestly does seem like it would suit my needs. I’ve been running a cheap ryobi table saw for over a decade and could really do with an upgrade

[@jimbenge9649]

Why doesn't the hose on the Evolution shop vac fit Evolution saws?

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Bain of my (workshop) life Jim. I’ve made a few videos on the subject, nothing never seems to fit anything with the exception of Festool. I don’t know know why we can’t have standardised fittings 🤷🏻‍♂️ Regards JP

[@4zure]

Thank you very much for your video. Coincidentally, I was about to buy the Dewalt DWE7492 when I stumbled upon your video by chance, and it made me seriously consider whether this Evolution might be a better investment. I really like the features it has, and I am genuinely interested in buying it. I have searched the web but cannot find the specification sheet. If you have the manual, it would be a great help if you could share at least the specification sheet with us. There are some details I would like to verify: the power is said to be 1800 W on the web, but the label on the machine states 1650 W, and also the no-load speed: 2500 rpm on the web, 3050 rpm on the label (as I could appreciate in your video). Regarding the use of dado blades, it would be useful if you could remove the blade and measure how much shaft is available. On the other hand, I would like to know if the sliding carriage has any play or not, and if you could measure the width of the table inserts. Considering that you have a Dewalt, I would like if you could make a comparison between the two in terms of features, quality of finishes and materials, and play. If you didn't have either of the two, which one would you choose and why? Sorry for asking so many things! But I have shared your video in a carpentry forum, and I would like to be able to give more information to other colleagues so that they can take it into account just like me! Thank you very much!

[@martynfoster4314]

Watched another KZbin video that shows an what looks to be identical saw just with different accent colours it is rutlands 255mm saw. I would guess they are both made by the same company. Had a quick look on the website and from what i can remember is about 30 pounds cheaper

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi. I will share the spec sheet in my community tab tomorrow for you. I’m away from my PC at present. There are 4 saws in the range the higher of the two are 1800 and the other two 1650 watts. see the detail in my last video. I will probably do a DW / R255 video soon. Regards JP

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi. I’ve just looked at that. There are a lot of differences too in the detailing. Regards JP

[@GianniStorti]

I just ordered the dwe7492 when I came to youtube just to find his video. It almost made me cancel my order xD Was waiting for a table like this for a very long time: it's like DW and Bosch had a baby. Plus, I prevalently work with reclaimed wood, so I would appreciate the evo features and blades.

[@paulhodgson4790]

I've got the Rutlands, which us a great saw for the money, but it's not as well specced as this. The blade angle adjustment on the Evo is way more accurate and a lot less fiddley.

[@jameslowe9711]

Was looking at getting this but the plus version what do you th8nk as it's still on pre order

[@peace4peaceful]

Can you get one? Rage 5 is the latest version in OZ. Which doesn't stack up against the Metabo. Too much flimsy plastic on the Rage 5.

[@jasonparker1454]

could i put the the R255 on the Stand of the 5S? or is the size too different? then u dont need to buy the new stand as well and can sell ur old without the stand....

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi. Unfortunately I tried it and it doesn’t fit. The R255 body is wider but not has deep. Regards JP

[@enemyofthestatewearein7945]

The woodworking act says that a guard must always be used, unless it's impossible to do the task with it fitted. So it's perfectly legal to remove the guard to do a dado cut, because you can't do such a cut it with the guard fitted.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi EotS. Clause 18.1 makes it very difficult. Don't forget that whilst most people use as hobby / self employed. This guidance is aimed at employers, and their insurance ( and the HSE) will expect compliance. Of course, manufacturers, cannot control where there tools go, so need to be made to comply to regs. Regards JP

[@enemyofthestatewearein7945]

@@Smallbarnworkshop For sure. HSE would expect you to do a risk assessment and implement appropriate controls, which could be cumbersome or expensive. So many will shy away, simply because of the extra hassle. I suspect also manufacturers design their machines to avoid liability, as demanded by their own PLI.

[@andrewvarde5470]

Hi. Great review of this saw. I have a question - does the saw have adjustable stops at 0 and 45 degrees so you can easily move accurately between the two angles without having to check every time? I think the Dewalt has this feature.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Thank you. I’ve not noticed them nor have I noticed them on my DeWalt. I need to go and look! Regards JP

[@atlantikbummler]

Great review! Thank you. I just stopped the order of the Rage 5. I mainly want to cut metal sheets. Thin Aluminium and Steel. I own a Bandsaw, but for larger pieces i need a alternative saw. I am currently cutting steel and aluminum plates with my evolution hand circular saw. Is ther any alternative for Evolution table saws for metal? Dewalt and Bosch have high rpm. I could not find any "hobby" use table saw with low rpm or variable rpm. Only tabel saw I could find with variable rpm is from Festool, but far too expensive. Any suggesstion would be highly appreciated.

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi. The Evolution blade is the main thing for you. Metal cutting blades are their thing. Regards JP

[@andrewclarkson7061]

Does the new unit fit on the 5s stand?

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi. No, I tried and it’s too wide. Regards JP

[@trobinou47]

Dust management is probably the aspect that has evolved the most! This is an excellent development. However, it's unfortunate that Evolution chose to use non-standard grooves like the T-Track format, both for the table and the fence. This poses a problem for adapting many accessories that can be found everywhere or made yourself. I also hope that the aluminum thickness of the fence is of better quality than on the R5, as mine has had a dent of about 0.5mm right in the middle since day one. On the Rutland, you can hook the fence from underneath to temporarily store it. Is this possible here? In your previous video, we can see that the chip extraction on the blade guard is placed at the rear. Positioning it more towards the front would be even more effective. Not including a soft start on all models seems a bit stingy. It doesn't cost much, less than €8! This new version nonetheless remains an excellent table saw 👍

[@willholt100]

The table slots are industry standard on the NEW saw, and yes the fence can be stored under the saw too.

[@muchsake]

@@willholt100 It is worth noting that the home version sold at B&Q and Screwfix is NOT to the new spec (which is why it is about half the price).

[@willholt100]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@muchsakeI know, I’m a senior member of the product development team at Evolution. Kingfisher have a really long on boarding process across their OpCo’s. It’s only available direct from us at the moment. And the kingfisher version will more than likely be the lower spec one when they take it. Whether both SFX and B&Q will both take the new one is also not definite. The NEW saws are head and shoulders above the previous models. We have spent a couple of years designing them from the ground up here in the UK to compete against the best in the business globally

[@muchsake]

@@willholt100 I had already decided to go for the Jobsite version when I replace my current table saw later this year. Definitely worth the extra over the B&Q one. Just thought it was worth letting people know the difference.

[@willholt100]

@@muchsakeabsolutely, I really hope you like it when you do. Me and my team are very happy to finally have these on sale after so long in development, we’re very proud of them. We have used feedback from many users of our older sourced saws and industry professionals to develop them. Can’t wait for people to start using them. We’ve had pre production units out on site being tested by a few trusted tradesmen we call on for a while and the feedback we are getting has been really great. A few have swapped their pro class saws in favour of ours, which are double the price in some cases. Thanks for your comments 👍🏻

[@sergio.i]

This table saw looks like an amazing option for me, unfortunately it isn't available yet in europe

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Coming soon I believe. Regards JP

[@daborderman]

Hi there looking to buy a new table saw just wondering when you think you will do a comparison between the dewalt and the new saw

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Probably next week filming and released week after

[@nigelwest3430]

Well worth the upgrade

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Hi NIgel. Yes it is. Regards JP

[@rogerdevries7090]

I bought my Rage 5 in January so I am really pissed that there is an upgrade, sods law that is !!!!!

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Happened to me last time I bought a VW Passat! 🤷🏻‍♂️ Regards JP

[@rogerdevries7090]

Rally annoying !!!

[@RpR_Makes]

Feel for you. I brought a Metabo TS216 table saw off the back of a review by Badger workshop and Sod’s Law the next video he did he sent the thing back as he thought it was rubbish……….turns out he was right. I now how a crappy Metabo saw and want this one.

[@michaelplays2449]

Great review JP !!!! thanks 😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Thank you Michael. Regards JP

[@azza1793]

As far as i’m aware all table saws sold in the UK are designed not to take dado stacks as they are deemed to dangerous

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Absolutely 💯 Regards JP

[@Stewart_Bell]

I might make a table saw: rack & pinion fence; standard slot, standard arbor, dust extraction, 25kg or less. How har can it be? They're all within a nats What's it and not finishing the job. Bizarre. How much are these people paid?

[@FPL-LARD]

Have a look at the Rutland table saw £295 3 yr warranty and only an extra £50 for the stand

[@Sean-vh8pm]

Health and Safety police about crown guard @4:20, then does test cuts without said crown guard at @6:48 🤣

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Do as I say not as I do, and I'm not in the UK but most if my audience are. I was pointing out the confinements under which the saw has been designed. Regards JP

[@terrybrooks395]

I won't be "upgrading" it's ridiculous to sell a table saw that doesn't have a flat table and then sell alternative throat plates to aid better performance but even those result in a table that isn't flat, exactly how hard is it for an engineering company to create a flat metal table?, I'll buy elsewhere in future.

[@Venomator.]

In answer to your question, yes I should, but not from a Rage 5!… 🤪 So, do you think Evolution will take my Metabo in p/ex… 🤷🏼‍♂️ 😂

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

😂 Wouldn’t that be nice. Although I predict a lot of Rage 5s’ on eBay. Regards JP

[@bambambang3916]

dado blades are illegal uk

[@Smallbarnworkshop]

Exactly, because of the 1974 legislation Regards JP

[@bambambang3916]

​they even went as far as to limit the size of the arbor hence why they are shorter than in america.