Should Leeds be punished for spying on opponents? | Andy Cole & Tim Sherwood | The Debate

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Leeds boss Marcelo Bielsa has admitted he's had staff observing training sessions of all their rivals this season. Andy Cole and Tim Sherwood discuss the morals of the practice, and whether Leeds United should face punishment from the EFL.
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[@Xani41]

Imagine being punished for something legal...

[@Slacktionman]

rionnoil might be legal but it’s unethical and unsportsmanlike. Nevertheless I won’t pretend like all teams don’t do this.

[@Xani41]

@@Slacktionman you think it is "unethical and unsportsmanlike", other people disagree. Not enough to punish him.

[@lnonno9321]

@@Xani41 unpunishable but still unsportsmanlike

[@Xani41]

@@lnonno9321 that's an opinion

[@yesdcotchin]

While we all know what you're getting at, people are punished without breaking any laws all the time, and quite right too. It's called disciplining

[@samgeee2968]

Absolutely not, he even admitted himself it hasn’t helped him much as they’ve conceded a lot from corners. Stop making out like he’s a Bond villain, he’s just an honest guy who likes his research, great and funny story

[@anarky10]

no hes a cheat

[@Af-mw9pl]

@@anarky10 how

[@dcfckatie6138]

Sam Geee you can’t say an honest guy he only admitted it because he got caught, not really funny for us Derby fans and other clubs he has done the same too!!

[@samgeee2968]

DcfcKatie Teams like Real Madrid streamed their full training session the night before the ucl final and they regularly stream sessions. It barely gives any advantage. It’s like saying you know messi is gonna cut in on his left foot. There’s nothing to stop him doing it.

[@dcfckatie6138]

Sam Geee well that’s Real Madrid’s choice then isn’t it?? All the other 23 championship clubs are not asking for Bielsa to send someone out, and of course it’s an advantage they saw all our tactics and like who would of been missing through injury

[@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII]

It wasn't against the rules. So no, they shouldn't.

[@tottenhamfanclub5781]

Just kick that guy out he’s ruining one of my favourite teams and Leeds United pls fucksake get promoted

[@Torauth]

“In all matters and transactions relating to The League each Club shall behave towards each other Club and The League with the utmost good faith.” It's vague, and there's arguments on both sides, but there is a precedent: Crystal Palace were fined back in 2016 for getting hold of Cardiff's teamsheet 2 days early. My opinion is this is the same as a manager encouraging diving, faking injury and time-wasting. Not morally good, and if Leeds want to get themselves that reputation of being the most morally corrupt team in the football league then that's their prerogative.

[@scfcgaming5751]

Yes they should be punished

[@tottenhamfanclub5781]

SCFC gaming, no they shouldn’t

[@scfcgaming5751]

@@tottenhamfanclub5781 oh yes they should

[@newlloreda]

In Argentina he disguised himself as a gardener to watch the rival's training. That's why they call him El Loco.

[@pierremenard3629]

@Jordi Herena I'm Argentinean . That never happened...

[@newlloreda]

@@pierremenard3629 escuché la anécdota hace años.

[@pierremenard3629]

@@newlloreda Me suena a que es solo un rumor. No lo veo a Bielsa haciendo esa payasada. De hecho, el observador de practicas ajenas (de Bielsa) no disimula para quien trabaja (El ayudante/ espía descubierto tenia la vestimenta de Leeds)

[@blvckemo_]

@@pierremenard3629 😂😂

[@pabloalarroyo]

You are making that up !! I am from Argentina though I now live abroad , and though there are many stories about his eccentricities that has never been one of them .

[@cmac8041]

Should Leeds be punished.... no that manager needs a raise

[@CB-xr1eg]

He'll get a huge raise if he gets Leeds promoted.

[@thomaskendell8146]

@tomm1592009 no there not don't be ridiculous he doesn't even get that a month

[@thomaskendell8146]

@tomm1592009 Leeds don't have that kind of money

[@thomaskendell8146]

I know because I am a Leeds fan and I have spoke to Radrizzani about it he is on 36k a week

[@thomaskendell8146]

@tomm1592009 it's wrong we don't have that when we get promoted maybe but there's no way we pay more than the FA

[@luistejeda6935]

Andy Cole and Tim Sherwood are spot on!!!!! Bielsa is a genius!!!!!

[@aarondepetris]

no he isnt lol.

[@georgemacpherson1992]

Aaron DePetris Jealous are you.

[@CB-xr1eg]

@@aarondepetris " no he isnt lol." What a convincing argument.

[@colinward1007]

@@aarondepetris YES. HE. IS. LOL.

[@DaleyMayall]

But Sherwood makes his points much better.

[@Mcdowells]

Absolutely not. This is no different than watch film of a game on various teams. As an Arsenal Fan I'd love to see Leeds back in the EPL...Bielsa is a top notch manager...

[@definitenyoni174]

🤔

[@isakpetterssonmusic]

Bielsa is a genius. Want to see Leeds in the Premier League again

[@choodyification]

It's done.

[@craigholgate577]

Thank you Tim & Andy... Incredible honesty & commonsense spoken when other (less competent) ex-footballers have been in a state of clinical hysteria, charging at MB with pitch forks shouting 'kill the monster... kill the monster"...!!! MB is a good honest man, who is committed to the success of... lets be honest... any of the clubs he's represented, not just Leeds...!!!

[@Hieillua]

How about start punishing players that cheat ever single match by diving? And not punish something that isn't illegal. Scouting the tactics of an opponent.... oh no, how will we ever survive this terrible tragic thing?!

[@TPOver9000]

@@dcfckatie6138 that is the point, every manager do it, most of the good ones at least, it is part of the job, it is not illegal and while you may think is unethical it is not a crime. He is doing his job.

[@dcfckatie6138]

TPOver9000 you wouldn’t see Lampard doing it that’s for sure, I know it’s not a crime and really being a manager is about working with your players on your own training ground and not having to find opponents tactics

[@eddyededwin]

DcfcKatie just becuz no one else does it doesnt mean its wrong. if they really dont want to be spied on then make sure they can, dont let the league do sth about it

[@rhysellis2284]

DcfcKatie being a manager is about doing everything possible to get a win. Read what he had to say at the press conference as he explains the situation. By the way many managers have done the same...Wenger, Mourinho

[@dcfckatie6138]

Ordro Buwch yeah I know but have they done it to every other team in the league? Probably not. But I know Lampard would never do it cause he’s not like that, I know everyone has different opinions on it so

[@benosaleandro9291]

Tim is the one who seems to understand Bielsa the most... they ask themselves several times about why Bielsa did that press conference, they look for a "reason" in the sense as most people do, and that's what makes me think that they actually still doesn't know Bielsa... yes he is a extremely clever man and when it comes down to football he (obviously) doesn't leave any "loose ends"; but that press conference is exactly the kind of behaviour that makes him "El Loco"... he ain't looking anything especifically, he ain't foreseeing whats going to happen or if he is going to be punished or not, he is just doing what he thinks it needs to be done, even in his own detriment; the press conference its just his way to say: "Here is what I got and what I've done, make your decision, I'll respect it and then decide what I'm going to do next". Tim also got it right about that he does not even care about what people thinks about him, he does not care about politics, money, pose, fame or most of the things that "normal" people worries about.... Bielsa didn't won more titles or coached rich/big teams not just because his teams runs out of gas at the end of season but also because he does not "measure" this kind of things as for example Mourinho, Guardiola or Simeone would do it. Personally I'm a big fan, he is maybe the last romantic on a sport where buisness and politics are the "normal" way to success, he is "El Loco", take it or leave it, 100% Bielsa style.

[@chrispayne198]

Benosa Leandro ‘the last romantic’! Yes.

[@juanlinares7203]

BIELSA is unique: the minor tone of her voice, the same "silence of her life", soft, without violence, without sour gestures, without vanity, without solemnity; It is true that few things make him laugh, but it is also true that his intelligence and perseverance exceed the average. It is a luxury and an honor to have him in the English League.

[@antonyrhodes9019]

If it's so wrong, make a rule for it first and then punish later. Got to love Bielsa on this one.

[@StephenButlerOne]

If he out side of the complex, no tresspassing (not that is even a crime), or vandalism occurs, the fa have no place in trying to implement a rule. If you don't like it, build a wall bigger than his ladder.

[@zigzag4189]

Finally two very intelligent ex players who understand! Well done Andy & Tim 👏

[@tottenhamfanclub5781]

Tim Sherwood is a mug

[@panns7]

punish Lampard for being a cry baby instead..

[@billybollox5216]

Correct

[@stuartcorbett4902]

Punish him for playing for chelsea

[@sanjognepal2998]

When he was with Athletico bilbao and faced Barcelona, PEP later said the he knew more about his Barca team than Pep. He has been doing this from a long time

[@TyrannosavageRekt]

Indeed, and yet Bilbao still lost that game to Barca 3-0. This goes with what Cole's saying, you still have to play the team on the day.

[@wadetheblade3261]

Nick Moriarty yes but he’s doing it to gain an advantage, it’s like robbing a shop, just because there’s nout in the till doesn’t mean there’s no crime committed

[@bensharp6759]

That wasn't to do with spying that was to do with researching the team, analysing their perfirmances etc. etc. He builds a huge portfolio on all the teams he played against

[@stephenhodgson3506]

Sanjog Nepal but more than 99% of that was through the same methods any other club could use. He said himself there are three things you want to know; the formation - he showed he has researched that to the nth degree o his team are prepared whichever formation is put out. Set pieces - again he showed he already knew all the set pieces. Third the players who will play - as Cole said clubs divulge which players are injured or carrying a knock, most teams have a press conference these days just days before the game and the manager tells everybody who is and isn't likely to play. All I think he gets from spying is potentially if a key player is not running as well as would be expected.

[@wadetheblade3261]

Bri10 ye, good point, but they are top of the league so they are gonna have every other club making a meal of it

[@alexjohnson5711]

Short answer no, long answer no.

[@williamarenas2093]

Alex, amen!

[@JR-SCOOT]

A non debate and a non issue - in any walk of life this statement applies .....Quote by Benjamin Franklin: “By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.” Frank Lampard should take this as a major lesson in his new managerial career.

[@makcity7850]

Should they be punished for breaking no rules or laws.............. amazing.

[@DOCTORDROTT]

He brings a massive ray of sunshine to the Championship with great to watch football. Leeds stuffed Derby twice, get over it Lampard and learn from the master

[@KianMalhi]

Fair play Marcelo Bielsa from a Derby vlogger👏🏽 The amount of time and effort he puts in when analysing Leeds’ opponents is class

[@DThat492]

Totally agree with Andy Cole here. On the day anything can happen, early red card, sending off etc etc...Lampard should calm down I think.

[@stevetodd5820]

Andy cole and Tim sherwood, spot on, frank lampard got taught a big lesson, (spying on together)

[@harryburns3388]

Bolt cutters keep getting mention all time police have said he didn’t have anything like that on him. And the reason he did this presentation is to show the detail and hours he spends on opposing teams. Are you telling me that he got over 360hrs of Derby’s last 51 games from looking through binoculars. Have a serious word with yourself. The guy is a genius who puts absolutely everything in to analysing tapes of his opponents. 4hrs of footage on ever game. Which is not illegal to get this information. It’s the fact that he spends so much time on getting everything as right as possible these other managers who just say right go out on pitch and do this. They hate the fact he is showing them how being a top coach. And loved and praised by the top managers you see in premiership right now.

[@MultiBobbleHeads]

Andre villas boas has said he spied opposition for Mourinho at Chelsea and Lampard refuses to believe it happened, either naive or in denial

[@dilipkhednah]

RESPECT to both Andy Cole & Tim Sherwood for what they said about us

[@pabloalarroyo]

There's an old story about Yugoslavia spying on Uruguay for their opening game back in the 1924 Olympic games, as no one had a clue about teams from South America back then. Having somehow got wind of the ploy the Uruguay coach instructed his players to put on the worst performance imaginable, and so they did, failing to carry out the most rudimentary skills through out the training session, the two agents happily reported back to their boss that the first game was as good as a walk in the park, and that he needn't bother fielding his strongest side and could save the legs of his star players for later key matches against stronger opposition . End Result , Uruguay 7 Yugoslavia 0 .... The moral of the story is that discovering you are being watched can work to your advantage, if you are prepared to use what you know and your opponents don't , or you could go the moral victim road .

[@Jaggybabs]

Should we be punished for breaking a non existent rule? Playing amazing football and the media still finds a reason to hate us. Bielsa put Lampard in his place.

[@timothy5540]

Jaggybabs that’s like saying before killing someone was against the law, it was alright to kill someone.

[@r3d3y3si]

@@timothy5540 it was they had trials by combat and everything. It's more like saying they lower the legal alcohol limit to drive. Then go back over the historical records, and prosecute everyone who provided a sample of breath over the new limit. Even though they were under the limit at the time.

[@Jaggybabs]

@@timothy5540 Its no different to sending a scout to a game. If anything its less effective. The media put this narrative out there and you sheep just follow.

[@timothy5540]

Jaggybabs I’m not saying Bielsa should be punished, I completely agree that he shouldn’t be unless a law is passed that prohibits this in the future and if he carries on after its outlawed then he should be punished but it should be accepted that it is morally wrong.

[@dcfckatie6138]

Jaggybabs hows he put Lampard in his place??

[@mickm8105]

Sherwood, "I didn't think to do it" that's why you were sacked as a football manager

[@banareshussain2185]

Spot on from Andy Cole 100 percent correct

[@NorthWalesKid]

The short answer is no Why are we even debating this He gained a competitive advantage Clubs should put precautions in place to stop this happening They didn’t That’s their fault

[@axelblade7075]

I agree its a tough game to be in, any advantage you can get that will help your team succeed of course within the rules is acceptable, all is fair in love and war, football is no bloody different.

[@craigholgate577]

Is it in the spirit of the game to have billionaire owners who can go out & buy the most expensive players that almost guarantee their club success...!?!? Yeah, it's not cheating & it's not unlawful or against the rules, but are we saying it doesn't give certain clubs an unfair advantage...!?!?!

[@pjconey]

So no managers or staff should be allowed to watch their opponents play matches, otherwise that to could be deemed as spying. What a load of shite.

[@robertthornton5106]

What was his crime? Making Lampard cry like a little beech?

[@rickyh223]

It's completely idiotic people saying he's cheated just because he's a clever manager and has done something that no one else has thought about doing.

[@martincawthraymc]

"No one else has thought about doing" Don't kid yourself. MOT

[@whiterosetrials5700]

rickyh223 The Huddersfield Town v Lincoln City game where the town coach was spying above the Lincoln 1/2 time talk. The tile fell down and up looked the Lincoln Coach to see a town coach spying. Seriously are you telling me that these big clubs don’t employ game day surveillance that now is very high tech and undetectable, the money now in this game is outrageous and any advantage will be used believe me.

[@xKynOx]

train in private if you dont want onlookers ffs, this is pathetic

[@dcfckatie6138]

Eddie Quist why should you have to train in private at your own training ground?? Just because a club wants to cheat doesn’t mean every other club should have to train in private

[@Banzybanz]

@@dcfckatie6138 There is no cheating. Trainings are held in the public eye. So if someone has a look at the training, there is nothing wrong. If the club really wanted to keep it all private, they would train in private instead of in the open.

[@dcfckatie6138]

Anime Banz you shouldn’t have to train in private because footballs meant to be a fair game right then surely you should be able to train where your club is based without having to worry about someone looking at your training

[@yt.personal.identification]

If you carry wire cutters to get the access then something is dodgey.

[@dcfckatie6138]

Honesty First grow up about what??

[@markadz3375]

Well said Andy and Tim a bit of common sense applied.

[@LDN_KMT]

When the opposition manager knows more about you’re own squad & you’re best in game tactics then yourself franks is rattled by this much level of preparation 😂😂😂

[@timdawtry9193]

hes made lampard look a right chump. if the had any dignity he'd laugh it off. How can you not respect Bielsa's obsessiveness? his drive and determination his passion? Every fan of every other club in the championship would love to have this man as their club's manager. Nobody would want fat frank.

[@stephenhodgson3506]

To be honest I don't really care how long this goes on. What we have seen so far this season from Leeds under Bielsa is that the team spirit is unbelievable and the bond he has built between the fans, himself and the players is incredible. The mentality that everyone is against us will only motivate the whole club even more. The Sheffield United manager said as much. When the 15 point deduction was given at the beginning of the season a few years ago Dennis Wise said it galvanised the whole club and they wiped out the deficit in the first two months.That season we went on to win 12 of our first 14 games and drew the other 2. A run like that would all but guarantee promotion unless the League deducted a huge amount of points. If they did I'm sure the club would have the case before the sports arbitration body to get anything overturned and that would cause considerable embarrassment to the governing bodies. I'm sure he will already be telling the players they need to get the points on the board now just in case points are deducted and as we have Norwich and Middlesboro coming up in the next four games that is one heck of an incentive. Let's not also forget that Bielsa is one of the few managers in all the top leagues that has yet to criticise any referee for a bad decision, even though he has had cause. This is unlike a certain Frank Lampard who has already been sent off as a manager and received an improperly conduct charge from the FA.

[@CB-xr1eg]

" In pre-season, Leeds United were hit with a 15-point deduction for exiting administration without a CVA. However, the team won their first seven games and effectively eliminated the 15-point deduction "

[@darthpenguin3320]

Andy Cole one of Newcastle's greatest number 9's

[@nistelpersie3495]

what a legend

[@caleblindley7142]

Why is it taking the FA and the EFL so long to decide what happens. Bielsa has told them everything in great detail, but yet we still all wait. Maybe Derby County should get points deducted for disrupting Leeds. A bloke went for a walk on a footpath, (with NO cutters), and looked over a hedge. Derby County ruined his walk, and they have disrupted the whole league.

[@TyrannosavageRekt]

I love seeing this presenter clutching at straw after straw to push this biased agenda against Bielsa's actions, when actually most fans, pundits and players aren't that bothered. Why is the media circus so determined to lambaste this man? Is it because they can see how successful he's been?

[@WappyFallace]

@Oisín O'Sullivan If you honestly think the presenter has come in to this piece without being told to push the 'scandal' as much as possible, then oh sweet summer child. There should be absolutely no issue with this. All teams can do it if they wanted to and there is no rule against it. It only offers an advantage if the opposing team is not savvy enough to use all information available to them within the rules.

[@Banzybanz]

@Oisín O'Sullivan Well it is the job of the manager to ensure his team has as much as an advantage as possible. I see nothing wrong in the actions themselves.

[@somebodyoncerolledme7211]

It called's playing devil's advocate, what a presenter gets paid to do - providing counter points to the opinions of guests. Anyway, I agree with Sherwood and Cole because if you punish one incident, you have to punish all similar future incidents by other clubs which would be impossible

[@CB-xr1eg]

@Oisín O'Sullivan You must be joking mate. Many people in the media have an agenda. because its Leeds United, a team that a lot of people love to hate.

[@mohammedhanif6780]

You're missing the point of q presenters job

[@magunra3k]

Punished? He should be applauded for taking the league seriously and caring enough about the job to go to these lengths.

[@boomhsyy37663gdgdgdg]

No rule has been broken. If the FA penalise Leeds it’s obvious that they do not want them to be promoted. The FA have their favourite clubs. All the jealous clubs will be praying that Leeds lose points.

[@Stiruz]

Punished for scouting the opposition? Get your head out of your arse Sky Sports.

[@steverichards575]

Why punish him ? We all know what he's up to now , the whole championship is working out how to deal with it .

[@vduigdtgfffhhjufd2042]

Can't believe sky sports put this as a debate 😂😂😂

[@Party22Putte]

I now see where this "most hated team in England-tag" comes from. How can this even be a news story.. If you are a winner you do what it takes to win. If this was Fergie or Klopp people would applaude. And I´m a liverpool fan.

[@ronoccc]

Bielsa = Legend, El Loco, what a character. MOT

[@dilink23]

So this is not the same a watching a tape of the opponents previous matches

[@dommer256]

No cutters, Lampard lied.

[@MrMooemoney]

If Lampard did it they would say it's nothing, move on

[@peterkariuki2143]

Why should they be punished there are no rules to this

[@harveyrichardson346]

We all love leeds! Andy Cole and Tim Sherwood top drawer

[@bunglebongle9003]

No. The clubs NOT doing it should be punished

[@1000herecomesthepain]

The more this is talked about, the more I see how he shouldn’t be punished. The only thing observing a training session in football can give you is the set pieces they might play. The rest can be seen from watching them play. It’s not like American football where everything is like a set piece

[@jordanbirkin1997__]

4:50 bielsa makes his starting 11 and bench public the day before each game so the opposition know our 11 a day before the game

[@rudilufc9997]

Codi Stephens well we just use the same team week in week out so they are going to know who we pick ( unless we get a injury )

[@andywasp]

This Bielsa guy is absolutely an amazing genius that any top team would LOVE have. I wish him and Leeds United all the very best and, I can’t wait to have them back in the premier league.

[@paulwilliamson9081]

I'm a blade and 4 me he's done nothing wrong what's so ever he's got leeds playing some great football I just hope we can go up with them

[@oneloveonelifeman]

Finally people talking sense

[@lbongarra]

Sorry, who is Marco Bielsa Sky? I don't believe this was an honest mistake. Don't disrespect a legend!

[@jamesross9576]

I sorry but did we break a law or rule ??? Answer is no

[@aidanmagill6769]

Why would you not try to get a look? You're missing a trick if you don't. I would have assumed this is common.

[@gangsternews4815]

It has been happening for decades.

[@mohsengholipour8146]

It's called observing, not spying!

[@book2316]

The real question is why weren't the other managers not spying on their opponents? Or did they?

[@Banzybanz]

Football trainings are public events. So "spying" in one should constitute no offence at all.

[@bendegorro754]

It's not a damn sabotage. It just a scout find a way to see the latest training ground. Respek to Lampard, but he sure make a meme to himself after this. # Saltampard

[@benroxy8831]

For me no because it's absolute genius

[@zebakhanx]

should The Debate get punished for having a debate on such irrelevant things?

[@SuperHooverman]

Nice!

[@Messi.1907]

All I'm going to say is....Get ready for his next Move... My Man is always two steps ahead of everyone else.... remember this comment. 😎😎😎😎

[@bear1245]

HE HASNT BROKEN ANY RULES!!!!

[@steve13191]

if the guy/spy is looking over from the fence, why would that be "unethical", certainly it is legal. Lampard is on high horse on everything. lampy is a clown.

[@Yorkie263]

Every other team manager is now covering his tracks, I cannot believe that Bielsa is the only manager not sending people out to look at other teams training. Most tactics are doing indoors on a wipe board., most training grounds are in public area's so people can watch. If the EFL or the FA deduct points from Leeds it will be a travesty, look at all of the other clubs that have had fines for things that could be considered as worse. West Ham for example, the Tevez issue, just a fine, if they had been deducted points Sheff Utd. would have stayed up. Leeds and Luton have been deducted points before, we started one season with minus points. It will be interesting to see how the EFL handle this, I bet the Leeds lawyers are going through all of the fine print on the standards document. Anyway I am off to buy a drone and fly it over the Stoke training ground, see what I can find out (joking of course)

[@juliusoyoyah5903]

I assume the Lawyers know the law,the club know him, I don't see him getting punished since he hasn't broken any law....maybe EFL & FA create one then warn him otherwise,Bielsa is indirectly telling the other managers to step up

[@dannywinters4336]

Bielsa names the Leeds team days in advance, so there is no need to send anyone to see what our line up will be. If you want to know how we are going to play see last week. Leeds have been dreadful defending set pieces, so there has been no advantage to Leeds watching training sessions. He doesn't criticize referees not matter how bad their decisions. Bielsa has OCD when it comes to football, but is an honourable man, an honest man,

[@TubbysWorld4413]

I would rather have the FA focus on all the theatrics that take place in Matches, Flopping around when someone brushes you !

[@TheOriginalMegaKing]

It’s a non event, Leeds not broken rules & if efl tried anything lufc would take them to court.

[@saif-zl9bz]

whats wrong with it, no one cares when opta sells players performance data so why so much hype for this

[@rossboyer8879]

No pliers and no binoculars

[@leathersandals]

If you leave your windows open, Then you're going to get burgled.

[@sanjognepal2998]

That's a good strategy When we had wars , people used to send spys to observe their opponent's plans. FOOTBALL IS NO LESS THAN A WAR 🔥🔥

[@xyzabc9628]

Would you leak or try to snoop the question paper in an exam?

[@darkside3803]

You’ve obviously not been to war then plz don’t compare a football match to war unless you have experienced it.

[@tejasmohite2651]

Its a bloody sport and not a war

[@r3d3y3si]

@@tom6369 no its more important to bielsa

[@46.56.A.]

You're an idiot.

[@darshannarayan5483]

In that Case Arsenal should be punished for robbing fan's money for decades in the name of match day tickets, and FA puts no cap on match day ticket prizes.

[@tottenhamfanclub5781]

Yeah Arsenal should be punished for every shitty thing they do

[@thevikinghol]

So Championship clubs are now trying to take advantage of a non-illegal situation . And wanting Bielsa and Leeds banned. THAT is against fair play.

[@grytlappar]

He's gonna kick ass next season in the premier League. Leeds will not bounce right back to the Championship... They'll be another Wolves, mark my words. ETA: "It's unprecedented, isn't it?" ... Dude. That yo know of. You don't think anyone in the history of football has popped over to another team's football ground? Please.

[@engespress]

Nah. The guy is obsessive-compulsive though. Very driven.

[@AlexSmith-nq6uc]

Andy Cole talking sense and balance as ever, cheers lad!

[@nicksimpson4058]

I have never seen such an over reaction in my life. Do people seriously think this isn't the norm? I mean let's get real, football is a game with no morals. Spying on an opponent is part and parcel of the game. I would have thought Frank Lampard would have known better than to complain about it, all his years in football and he's never seen this? Do me a favour Bielsa is a genius, let's embrace a genius at work and love the fact how brazen he was - he was almost like yeah so what

[@stiofanodaimhin5262]

All the top players and managers agree with bielsa..and all the none achievers are against

[@tashrif46]

What people should be asking is why these kind of issues never happened with Bielsa in Spain, France and Italy when he was manager of different clubs? I mean give me a break

[@isaiahl5426]

Bielsa dislcosed methods as people were saying thats why lufc were of the league, we are top of the table because he is the mosy diligent coach in the league.

[@jmillerdj]

Love how Tim Sherwood doesn't really understand what "all that stuff" on the screen is. Wasn't he a manager it's just game analysis. What was he doing.

[@FrozenFireFreezingSteam]

Like the pundits said ... there is no proper guidelines about this. If there is no proper guidelines about it, how can he be guilty? Its like saying we all know stealing is wrong in country X, but there is no law about stealing. So when someone is caught stealing ... can he be charged for a crime? Sounds silly to me. It is simple. You don't want people watching your training ... do it indoors. Problem solved.

[@shamulhaque6708]

Marcelo Bielsa is world class don't @ me

[@danielprice9046]

That presenter is trying so hard to get a negative or angry reaction from those pundits, but the truth is no one cares. Bielsa knows more about football than all the sky sports pundits put together. Let it go.

[@shakib7692]

If Tim Sherwood can call himself a pundit then why can't I?

[@topsander]

If teams don't want to be spied upon, then there's a very simple solution: make sure all of your trainig sessions are behind closed doors. If, in whatever way, an opponent is still spying on you while you're having an enclosed training session, then maybe that would justify some kind of punishment. But if you train while everyone can see it, then you more or less have to expect your opponents to come and have a look, haven't you? I mean... is a professional game so you can expect your opponents to try, as hard as they possibly can, to find ways to get ahead of you. There's nothing wrong with that of course.

[@zandola1]

I'm telling you people. If Bielsa puts Leeds back in the Premier and HE STAYS WITH THEM, Leeds will clinch a spot in the champions league or UEFA. Remember this.

[@Urbancohort337]

No football is not a military institution so no punishment.

[@samuranga8537]

Akash Guha is he spying on their training or game film

[@NowisEvollovetion]

Will the EFL recognise Bielsa’s honesty? I mean, it is not something they have ever seen before.