Should the USA Become A Technocratic Monarchy? | Curtis Yarvin

[@ReturntoReason]

This video should be titled "Curtis Yarvin has a conversation with 150 NPR headlines from the past 2 years."

[@3er24t4g1]

52:34 “Yeah we killed 100 million people last century, but what about Donald Trump hurting our feelings today”

[@Ngrman166]

This interview is pure comedy. Wish I one day develop the level of patience Curtis has.

[@shreduntilbed]

The more hysterical his opponent gets, the more tangential he becomes 😂

[@caznitch]

You beat me to it. Glad I'm not the only one that noticed.

[@oldgrahammare]

He must be a great dad

[@pseudo-analysist9661]

Chill 😂

[@bobague9654]

srsly - let your guest talk buddy

[@Siegebot1]

Amazing how the interviewer just keeps screaming emotionally about the most mundane leftist topics and refuses to acknowledge any of the Yarvins points

[@samuelspiel8855]

Yeah, this host is an idiot.

[@hansjuker8296]

Sounds like the typical left wing jaggoff

[@rumpelstiltskin8841]

@@sabyend-np0 you’re not arguing either. Yarvin is just interested in a more meta-political debate than Mr Daniel

[@smfe]

Interviewer is totally clueless. Yarvin talking about post-war Polish mercenaries while the interviewer tries to randomly get him to answer for something Jack Posobiec says? What? It's as if the interviewer's from China and just learned what American politics is.

[@smfe]

Bro why are you reading a review for a book neither you or the guest have read by an author neither you or the guest really know much about instead of INTERVIEWING HIM!

[@acolus3413]

​​​@@smfethe most interesting conversation was when they get into the what are we going to do with most people who are 85iq with advancent of AI and the less need for Humans, even Curtist said "wait lets stay on the topic for a bit its extremely important" but the charitable host fucking force to move on, this interview/discussion could have been great but its not and its honestly ruined my day

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

​@@smfebecause the author is a crank.

[@smfe]

Why is yarvin being so respectful to someone who so clearly is totally uncurious and probably not very bright

[@danwroy]

Seems very bright to me

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

Well he's not being respectful, if you're familiar with his style.

[@patrickspellman8758]

This appears to be a favor Curtis is doing for someone

[@hansjuker8296]

We got a Metokur fan here.

[@hammerain93]

He enjoys it

[@ryan4butler1]

the color coded bookshelf is really a nice cherry on top of this man's little existence

[@patrickspellman8758]

He exists in the blue koolaid pod

[@ryan4butler1]

@ you’ve made like 15 comments on this videos so far, room temp iq libs try not to appear mad challenge failed yet again 🫵🤣

[@acolus3413]

This conversation was god aweful, not even good exchange of argument or the time to form argument. Yes Moldbug is annoying at times with his style of talking but thats how he get his point across properly, since its a podcast long form conversation, please let him talk and take the appropriate time to responds on your sides instead of "there is a fire outside my window" kind of urgency retort, if you want to get anything out of Moldbug, let him ramble.

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

Except he also doesn't let others speak, or finish asking questions. It could be a 6 hour pod you still won't get an answer.

[@The8bitFighter]

@@shannonm.townsend1232 He's actually being EXTREMELY CLEAR. If you're getting impatient for an answer, it's because you haven't connected how what he's saying builds to the answer. And since Moldbug knows the viewers likely don't share his framework or presuppositions, he has to build the explanation pretty far down. He needs to the time to set you up for understanding his argument.

[@ercfre2106]

I’ll be honest. I would NOT have posted this if I were Daniel Pinchbeck.

[@porchtime504]

Jesus Christ dude, Kamala wasn’t going to cure your climate panic.

[@Star-hg1kt]

🤣

[@kimballgeisler4871]

Hahahahaha

[@supplementalhorsey4510]

Kudos for Yarvin for handling being in the presence of such a lightweight with such magnanimity. I do think there are avenues you could attack Yarvin's thesis, but it would take someone more capable to make that case. If anything, the fact that this doesn't happen is some evidence of the intellectual desert that underlies the political left.

[@3er24t4g1]

43:44 Yeah, progressive liberalism is so good for innovation. That is why we are living in a golden age of Marvel movies and OnlyFans

[@Zer0-id4li]

1:25:20 Why is this dude so mad at his own guest? Embarrassing.

[@perguto]

Yarvin incredibly chillpilled in this one 😂

[@Vitlaus]

Doesn’t give a F about FDR, gives him a 7.

[@John12512]

Pinchbeck listener here. Not on the left or the right, really. I hadn’t listened to Yarvin before, just have seen his name pop up here and there. I’m honestly in agreement with a good amount of Yarvin’s positions. Only 40 minutes in, curious to see where this goes over the course of 2 hours. I do wish Daniel would interrupt less - there is a weird sort of power dynamic at play that is getting in the way of good conversation.

[@oldgrahammare]

‘Given your understanding , given where your information space is, you’re very right to be concerned’ 👑

[@The8bitFighter]

Pinchbeck is constantly interrupting either to (a) try to score points by proving Yarvin wrong, or (b) to prove he already knew something Yarvin was going to mention. The dude needs to learn how to control his ego. He could have learned a lot more from more productive engagement with Yarvin.

[@The8bitFighter]

PERFECT example: He keeps chiming in "are we gonna get to climate?" during the middle of Yarvin's Wuhan lesson. He's obviously not paying attention, and is going to totally miss the point Yarvin makes, which he will use to illustrate his argument regarding climate. But Pinchbeck just keeps interrupting like a child.

[@The8bitFighter]

1:16:10 -- "This is a very long digression." Dear lord. You cannot help someone like this. To be so childish at his age is shocking. It's NOT a digression. He's literally trying to answer your question by illustrating a relevant point.

[@The8bitFighter]

1:24:45 -- Pinchbeck only cares about getting HIS point across, which he's so confident is correct. Moldbug is just trying to confirm that Pinchbeck has understood the point he's making, but PB keeps ignoring it and harping on his own points. NO ENGAGEMENT WITH YOUR OWN GUEST, WTF MAN

[@The8bitFighter]

1:25:30 -- Yarvin asks a goodfaith question to confirm he knows WHERE this anecdote is taking place, and PB YELLS "Let ME talk."

[@The8bitFighter]

1:43:00 -- PB castigates Yarvin for interrupting him, but PB was preaching to the choir on that point. If PB was at all interested in understanding Yarvin, he wouldn't have harped on the point he was harping on. The point which PB segued off of was LITERALLY the same thing: IQ isn't everything.

[@3er24t4g1]

1:13:35 How rude of the host to interrupt this guy in the middle of a question, several times in a row. Let him talk.

[@uscbro69]

Yarv…why’d u do this pusillanimous bot’s show?

[@CivilizedWasteland]

Imagine my shock when the interviewer REALLY wants to get a word in and the just repeats back reddit talking points everyone has already heard. Yarvin's explanation goes completely over his head.

[@Zombbos]

Curtis’s views need a little bit more explaining to get across as he has a fairly novel way of looking at the world. Theres no reason for the host to keep rambling and getting upset when Curtis interjects on a point that everyone understands in 5 seconds. I thought the rebukes to Curtis’s arguments were good, but they were undercut by their length and frankly their emotionality. Try to keep it cool.

[@BlackDogOriginal]

Yarvin is great.

[@NaoCut]

I don't understand why Yarvin keeps doing this 😂

[@briandonohue3608]

Same reason he wrote The Open Letter to Open-minded Progressives; to enchant the opposition.

[@puppetperception7861]

My advice to people who want to talk about ecology is to talk about ecology, and never say the word climate change again. There are 9 planetary boundaries and many existential threats more immediate and communicable than a theoretical time horizon 100 years from now. But if you are going to talk about ecology, and also worship the science and its technological bureaucracy, you might as well not. If you can’t explain what you are talking about don’t explain it before learning what that is or if it is true. Science says is not an explanation.

[@VincentPaulS]

I had to stop watching, the interviewer is a completely clueless political andy, so out of his depth that he has to aggressively push the discussion to completely mundane and irrelevant nonsense, otherwise he just has no idea what the hell is going on.

[@briandonohue3608]

Very enjoyable. Daniel you did better than most at battling Yarvin’s steamroller. He so quick tho.

[@XFT8]

The host complains that Curtis doesn't let him finish but then constantly interrupts Curtis within the first 10 to 30 seconds of responding to a question. Yes, Curtis can ramble but his ramblings are usually interesting and if you're going to interview him you have to give him more time than normal to get out a point. If you constantly cut him off at 10 seconds you're not going to get anything out of him

[@jennetal.984]

This comment section is heating up 🔥 Further signs of climate change

[@krunkle5136]

He's always interesting to listen to, but there's some things he never seems to elaborate on. I found his mentioning of an artisan economy focused on making things from local materials, as found in his earlier substack posts pretty interesting, but i haven't heard him expanding on that. Edit: There was good exchanges here, but the host's repeated interruptions make it difficult ( I know Curtis is like a runaway train)

[@Robert-r4b3t]

Curtis was going to elaborate on it about how to we as a society live as a "Human" in a more advancing siciety that does not require Human that dosnt have 3digits IQ, but this fuckward of a host cut him off on i think the most important topic in this whole trainwreck of a discussion, Curtis even insist on staying on the topic before moving on. what a disappointment.

[@kissmyass682]

Look up Yarvin's substack article "#4: principles of any next regime" in goes into detail about what an artisan economy would look like

[@kissmyass682]

this one explains what an artisan economy would be kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZzLmaqugsaVh5o&ab_channel=SkepticalWaves

[@abezucca]

Daniel is going to be red pilled if he reads yarvins reading list.

[@karlhetzke691]

I think a major disconnect between Yarvin and more typical liberals is that when Yarvin talks about government and monarchy vs oligarchy he's making a very specific point about how you organize people toward a common objective (i.e. government) - for Yarvin (and probably anyone who's ever tried to accomplish anything via committee meetings) it's obvious that monarchical forms or organization out perform oligarchic ones. Liberals struggle to hear him because they can't put aside all their other ideas about what society should value, and they assume a priori that monarchy is antithetical to those things (Daniel can't help but ask Curtis if he'd really rather live in Saudi Arabia, which feels like a non sequitur if you're following the basic point about effective organization, but to Daniel it's the most obvious question to ask because all good liberals know that kings are all tyrants, power corrupts, etc. etc.).

[@danwroy]

This isn't the cuddly Ben Burgis figure I was hearing in my headphones, but good to him for putting this up.

[@mountainfoot]

skibidi toilet or costco guys

[@hammerain93]

Daniel lacks patience and doesn’t trust his guest to make the point he says he will make. Show some respect and turn off the TDS for long enough for him to make his points.

[@ryanlasek4199]

I admire the audacity of Daniel for attempting to mount a bull

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

More like an eel.

[@bonsmith3026]

Haha was this supposed to be an interview or did this guy just want to yell at yarvin. It is almost unbearable.

[@pepepapy620]

Dan being outclassed is painful... Prepare better next time.

[@ericgafner7607]

I wasn't familiar with Daniel Pinchbeck, but came to hear Curtis Yarvin. I thought Daniel did a pretty god job, as I know it must be tough to have Yarvin as a guest. He makes a lot of long, arching arguments that take up a lot of time. I think Daniel got frustrated by not being able to speak - so then when he could, he tended to just blurt out a bunch of stuff at the opportunity. Hopefully, they'll meet again and Daniel gets a chance to air out a few of his ideas.

[@BarbershopBytes-ox3dr]

I think Yarvin has done an excellent job identifying the flaws in modern government structures, particularly the inefficiencies and lack of accountability inherent in bureaucratic democracies. However, I fundamentally disagree with his solution of a CEO-style monarchy. While it’s appealing in theory, I believe it would likely lead to even greater issues than the ones we face now. The real problem that Yarvin seems unwilling to confront is that legitimate political authority is inherently martial by nature. Any ruling class that lacks a martial foundation is, in my view, illegitimate, and their governance is destined to deteriorate into inefficiency or failure over time. To address the current political dysfunction, I think we should look toward someone like Robert Heinlein for inspiration. I’m not entirely opposed to monarchy, but if we were to pursue such a system, it would need to be designed from scratch. This would involve selecting the best possible DNA, rigorous testing, and perhaps even enforcing intermarriage among the existing royal families of the world to create a new lineage of leaders. That said, I don’t believe the concept of a CEO-style monarchy is viable-it’s too reliant on isolated brilliance and ignores the need for broader civic engagement. In my view, a better alternative is a limited, elected government where participation is restricted by law to those who have demonstrated both sacrifice and competence. This could look something like the Venetian system, where governance was structured and deliberate. I think military service should be a prerequisite for political power-leaders must be willing to put their lives on the line. Beyond that, candidates should meet a high bar of competency, perhaps through accreditation in law, science, or other productive fields. Yarvin frequently cites Silicon Valley as a model for innovation, but I think he overlooks the laziness and over-reliance on raw intelligence that plagued many of its ventures. The failures of Silicon Valley highlight why governance can’t rely solely on brilliance-it requires individuals who are civically engaged, disciplined, and hypercompetent. You can’t allow someone to be placed in a position of authority simply because they’re smarter than everyone else; they need to demonstrate sustained commitment to the system and the people they serve. Ultimately, I believe governance must balance martial legitimacy, civic responsibility, and structured competence. While our current system has serious flaws, any alternative must avoid creating an unaccountable elite or falling into the same inefficiencies it aims to solve. A republic grounded in sacrifice and competence-not inherited privilege or unchecked brilliance-offers the best path forward.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

I enjoyed that. Two stimulating hours well spent.

[@ArtOfTheProblem]

I hate to post negativity as a youtuber myself, but Daniel it's amazing that you are this arrogant, you think Yarvin wants to do a book club with you?

[@mememagician97]

Lost all my sides on the climate change bit

[@edwardjoseph8007]

Lmao Dan is so out of his depth here

[@joaorobalo7594]

Yarvin is a tough guest to host, so I appreciate the effort, Daniel. You gotta trust and listen to your guests more, though. The best example was the Covid lab leak conversation, as soon as he mentioned it, you say that you always believed it was obviously a leak, good, but then you clearly stop listening and want to stop the "digression", but he wasn't digressing, he was literally answering your question, just using a more clear example that he hoped you would find common ground in. Because you weren't listening, you never understood his point which is really Curtis' best insight. Power seeps into science and it stops being science.

[@gabiroach6627]

This was fun

[@sulamy1955]

Who is the Chinese guy in Yarvin's room?

[@user-tx5kv6lb9r]

It's a picture of his gay lover😊

[@shannonm.townsend1232]

Man-servant

[@kissmyass682]

That's Xi

[@kissmyass682]

just kidding that's Zhou Enlai

[@JN-xb6pq]

I think it is Zhou Enlai.

[@Eternal1811]

Curtis considers himself part of the intelligentsia.. In other words.. “freedom for me but not for thee!”

[@danwroy]

This is too contentious at times and I really started to hate Mr. Pinchbeck at around the one-third mark or so, but in the end I think they establish a decent rapport. It's a lot of yelling but they don't agree fundamentally and it does stabilize.

[@natty7102]

"The weave"😂

[@ayeshadequeiroz4857]

King Leopold II of Belgium is one ruler that could be considered worse than German ruler with a capital H. What are the criteria for genocidal madman? The color and continent in which the barbarism occurred? Does British rule in India not count? Why not?

[@davidkey4272]

Danny, not trying to be mean here, totally being constructive: you are not even remotely close to Yarvin’s intelligence level and pretending like you are is really obvious to the audience. Not a good look.

[@TheRyizzle15]

Red pill jew vs blue pill Jew. Reminds me of our recent election

[@ProjectPete]

Yarvin makes this guy look as small as he is.

[@futures2247]

He really has zero clue what life was really like then or now beyond his tiny view

[@JN-xb6pq]

I have a lot of issues with Yarvin, including some of the points Pinchbeck made, but this is an atrocious interview.

[@abezucca]

This reminds me when jodowosky hurt dans feelings.

[@shockerRO]

Host is annoying and frankly dumb... I can't listen with these stupid interruptions

[@johnfitzgerald-kelly4359]

People like Dan need to retire before the left can make a comeback.

[@davidkey4272]

The interviewer was so narcissistic, no one gives a shit what you think we’re not here for you.

[@AnonymousFriend-i7l]

Chairman Mao.

[@timsmith4118]

Why would anyone want to LISTEN to this Pinchbeck "speak at great lengths"?? He has nothing interesting or valuable to say.

[@jjusa]

I found someone more annoying than Yarvin. This guy interrupted constantly

[@timsmith4118]

Climate change???? lololololol

[@lindabuzzell5821]

Unwatchable.

[@user-by3ks9bp5d]

Why have people been pretending that MoldBugman should be given the time of day

[@futures2247]

Hardly anyone went to prison in the UK and the ones that did were calling for violence in the middle of riots

[@deanrobb9220]

The UK sends more people to prison for mean tweets than Russia does despite Russia having a larger population and being a dictatorship.

[@joaorobalo7594]

Yeah, and it was only a few buildings that got captured by venezualan gangs in Denver. These right wingers are always so obsessed by just a few examples of insanity. Who cares if people are going to jail for stickers in the UK if its just a few cases?

[@trogoautoegocrat666]

There is no surface; just edible pixels!😫🥸🥺