Should Wives Serve Their Husbands? Tradwives vs Feminists | Middle Ground

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TIMECODES
00:30 A wife’s primary duty is to serve her husband
14:42 Women are happier post feminism
39:43 In most circumstances, a married woman must not seek a divorce
51:35 There is no shame in having a high body count
01:04:18 I am more liberated than the other side

[@cherishpoole2485]

The rift here is too big i think christian trad wives vs christian feminists would have made more sense

[@carasaphilyngdoh1959]

I agree

[@andierichter1382]

100 percent!!!!! ❤❤❤

[@daliam8715]

I agree. Or atheist trad wives. The issue is that their values are defined by their religion, and that makes it way too difficult to have a proper conversation. This doesn't apply to everything and every situation, but it was too much of an issue.

[@tommyxavier685]

It's a lot more difficult to have that talk as feminism goes against Christian values in a lot of ways . Therefore a Christian feminist can be viewed as an oxymoron.

[@SomeoneNewLikeYourMother]

​@@tommyxavier685so true

[@PeterGriffin11]

If a woman wants to be a stay at home mom that’s fine if she doesn’t wanna do that then it’s also fine.

[@Slim-Clips]

The problem is that feminism was pushed to plummet the white birth rates and tax more women.

[@ryanwilliams7407]

The issue I have is how toxic feminists affect society and demonize men.

[@younghovahny]

I wish people could think this way about many things. Everybody's all worried about everyone but themselves.

[@jeannesgm7564]

Yes because feminism won that choice for women

[@Slim-Clips]

@@jeannesgm7564 It also destroyed society.

[@vistaoalry4883]

Biggest takeaway: Tradwives think all women should be tradwives whereas feminists think woman CAN be tradwive AND that they can do anything else they choose to

[@JanikaRichards]

Well said! 👍👍👍

[@gbatista20]

Tradwives want all women to be feminine meanwhile feminist want all women to be better than men

[@anyways827]

no we are not gonna do that. there are a bunch of tradwives who think like that but the people in that Video do not represent all of them so lets not paint them as forceful and whatever. Let people be and do whatever they want

[@sal-42X]

Not true they call them pick me's and expect trad wife to have abortions etc

[@bonster101]

@@anyways827 70% of tradwives when anonymously polled show that they are one because if fear of being "with out" so in otherwords vast majority of "trad wives" are unhappy

[@juhneess]

Siete, the woman you are. I need her on more of these Middle Grounds. Not only was she speaking from a place of respect, but she was able to articulte her points while remaining on topic, as well as touch on the privilege we have living in a western society. Bravo! This was one of the most engaging Middle Grounds I've watched in a while.

[@yoshisgarage4828]

No, you’ve got it all wrong. She’s typical femme boy that pushes for trans rights.

[@Miloism23]

​@thomj9702 were did they say this conversation was only based on the US? Which countries that she mention didn't have a feminist movement like the US?

[@neebz2499]

she was the smartest one up there with the calmest nature.

[@neebz2499]

​@@thomj9702 it's so easy to be ignorant isn't it? i mean f the billions of women outside the US. who cares about them! lol feminism is a movement across the globe

[@augustine1977]

really? Sounded so jaded and immature too often

[@sphumelelesijadu]

"I don't think people *_should_* do anything, I think they *_can_* do anything." Preach!

[@ibrahimshah3378]

That's what I will say to the cop after I get arrested for the r word

[@nafeesanaz]

@@ibrahimshah3378 Nobody is arresting you for saying the r slur. And you took their point out of context and applied to a situation where it doesn't apply. Two things can be true at once. When it comes to gender roles, women being able to decide whether they'd like to be a housewife or a working woman is more beneficial than enforcing women to follow a specific role. At the same time, people should avoid committing crimes and they should follow the law.

[@RedXWerewolf]

then why do they still ask men to do the simplest and easiest of things?

[@mandya.1234]

​@RedXWerewolf you mean common decency??

[@RedXWerewolf]

@ i'd say not wasting someone else's time when you could have just done it yourself to be far more decent then not.

[@BittersweetDuality]

Crazy idea, how about every woman decides for herself which lifestyle she wants to lead

[@Jacqueline888]

that is exactly what happens now… it’s a free country. doesn’t mean people can’t have a conversation about it. i don’t think any of these women believe you should be forced into submission. of course it is a choice.

[@nicoedits6940]

You say this like free will doesn't exist

[@alienus9092]

No one is really foricng anything, it's debate on what's better.

[@NoraaRay]

​@@nicoedits6940 It barely exists

[@BittersweetDuality]

@@Jacqueline888 The whole point of these videos is each side thinking their lifestyle is the correct one across the board though, that's the point of the "vs" in the title. If everyone here thought that it's a matter of to each their own, the only content in this video would be all of them simply agreeing to disagree

[@ceeIoc]

Moderators did a horrible job. The women being happier turned into an abortion debate.

[@dianabryson1876]

Ugh thank you, I was waiting for someone else to point that out. I sat there lost and wondered why they didn't dial them back.

[@greendragonspirit1646]

Piers Morgan is a better moderator 😂.

[@dreamy.izzy26]

That’s not the point They turned it into an abortion debate by mentioning “bodily autonomy” 50 times. It’s not even bodily autonomy.

[@chloetic]

Agreed whoever was moderating was holding out that conversation way too long

[@randompeacesigns]

Wait, there was a moderator? 😂

[@animegirl2.068]

As a Christian woman, who was with someone for over 7 years and that person cheated on me, there was no "working that out". Because, I would ALWAYS think he would be cheating again EVERY TIME he came home late. So, I'd rather be happy single than miserable with someone. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Filadastylist]

Exactly and to depend completely on a cheating husband who can abuse you also is a no go this is why women fought to have the choice and not depend on men completely because with power comes ego and control

[@jgee8421]

You married him …? Also , Could’ve worked through your anxiety …?

[@animegirl2.068]

@@jgee8421 didn't marry him. We were engaged and had the wedding all planned out. Then he had some relatives dei back to back, it made him depressed and mad and he took it out on me verbally, emotionally and at times physically. THEN he went and cheated.

[@MinhNguyen-pk9qk]

@@jgee8421 how could she work through anxiety when she literally living and engage with it?

[@m1lkm4m4]

As long as u dont have children, i understand

[@HadjaMo]

No hate, but the trad wives' experiences and views are coming from an extremely privileged and western point of view. As an African , women who could be considered traditional wives are pushing for their daughters to be educated and independent, not to depend on men, because these women experience the real negative aspects of the patriarchy and dont want their daughters to go through that.

[@weedsam1306]

Thank you for sharing that!!👏👏👏👏

[@jamiedorsey4167]

I was thinking something along these lines too. What the trad wives seem to be expressing isn't really traditional marriage, its a sort of post feminist neo-trad lifestyle.

[@Juliana-hr7zv]

Yeah Siete kind of touched on it a little bit their view of feminism is very privileged women are being murdered and assaulted at high rates around the globe due to patriarchy there is no rule of law it’s unfortunate.

[@Hhahaa162]

I am nigerian 17 and both my parents push me to be an independent women and not to rely on anyone

[@DanielAge777]

Have not met an independent woman before, all women attach themselves to men, either through marriage or seeking out male driven institutions to learn or get jobs. That's why they are always asking men to allow them into certain fields or grant them certain rights. A true independent mind will create its own institutions and structure. Men do this all the time. And after the men have done that, the women start demanding for a place within that structure while claiming independence from men.

[@ninabonnerrrr]

11:37 blaming the wage gap on biological female inferiority is A NEW LOW

[@MikanloverXX]

CLOCK IT

[@FlaviaCabredo]

Insane

[@khenbornagain]

She's just speaking facts. Women are amazing, part of our superpower is that we can bear children. This requires us to have cycles. It means we have different levels of hormones cycling through our bodies. These hormones have different effects on mood and energy levels. In the luteal phase we become more emotionally attuned and our energy levels lessen. Contrast this to the male body which is at a steady constant level of hormones, which means a steady level of energy, as well as testosterone which is a hormone that makes one feel motivated, outgoing, and at its peak aggressive. It becomes very obvious why women are less equipped to the workforce. We have a disadvantage hormonally. But while this super power is a disadvantage in the event of long term competition like the work force, it's a strength in terms of long term competition like a community. We thrive at emotional connection.

[@Chrisstarrp]

@@khenbornagain That is societal conditioning, you're just saying what society has said. Not every person wants kids and most households need two working parents to stay afloat.

[@khenbornagain]

@@Chrisstarrp lol it's literally what science says, do you understand what hormones are and how they affect the body?

[@annakinderman8135]

As a female physicist, it is heartbreaking to see women put limits on what they think their gender can achieve.

[@snowconeman512]

Can I have a baby? No. Is that me putting a limit on myself? No. That’s beautiful, women can do things men can’t and men do things women can’t. That’s the beauty of it.

[@flylittlebird]

Human have limits.. for both genders. For women to recognize her limitations and know how to go through life in different directions could be powerful. Better than being in delusional and wasting life on something that is physically unreal or healthy.

[@Chrisstarrp]

@@snowconeman512 That's a totally different thing based on biology and u know it. They're talking about academics and jobs.

[@NoCareBearsGiven]

@@snowconeman512your disgusting that your taking apples and oranges and comparing them.

[@snowconeman512]

@@NoCareBearsGiven I’m disgusting because I want what’s best for women? I’m not saying women can’t do whatever they want. They can. I’m here to say feminism is terrible. It’s a war against men. And it’s damaging to women.

[@Shea_Scarlet]

To all those saying “what about we let women choose”, congrats, you ARE A FEMINIST!

[@preciousikechukwu7125]

the woman who is doing her masters while being a stay at home wife needs to understand that feminism made that possible. her husband would NEVER allow her to do that if it were back in the 50s because women weren't allowed to pursue such things

[@linnettemontes1359]

The issue is modern feminism

[@rhishere2265]

@@linnettemontes1359 At this point I've seen many people hating on modern feminism and trying to blame you on every single thing like that has nothing to do with modern feminism calm down

[@PickleGobbler9000]

@@rhishere2265 you disagreeing with and staying deaf tone is the perfect example on why it is. Yall love saying you’re open minded until it doesn’t follow your agenda. Yall love saying you’re feminist but completely dismiss men’s problems yet expect men to bow down to you. Yall love calling yourself feminists until a religious trad wife is happy and you decide to bully them. I can keep going all day if not all week with examples.

[@abcdefg2174]

That's not true... Women absolutely were allowed to study. Many women also worked. The numbers would be very different but studying is much more of a necessity now than it was back then

[@asdasdasaaafsaf]

Umm no. Men made that possible LMAO. We gave you rights.

[@sianbennett8545]

Can we please have a debate where religion isn’t the lead component of their argument…

[@TyroneBackyardiagains]

Some people say that's the difference between a housewife and a tradwife

[@emmanuelabalihi5747]

No. If thats what they wanna lead with why not?

[@BonazaiGirl]

@@sianbennett8545 For most tradwives, the reason why many of them choose the lifestyle is due to religion. For many of them, they’re essentially intertwined. Jubilee would have to select an agnostic/atheist/irreligious person on the panel tp have such a discussion; or at least find someone who chose the lifestyle due to preferences outside of religion.

[@Chrisstarrp]

@@emmanuelabalihi5747 It shouldn't be dictating people's lives or in politics.

[@eyes9596]

@@emmanuelabalihi5747It’s impossible to debate subjective values. You either agree with them or don’t.

[@haleymcdaniel5684]

11:00 The argument here HURT to hear. The fact that that woman genuinely believed women aren’t capable of working in science and education at the same extent as men made me so incredibly sad.

[@SolitudeVolante]

She is blaming all women for her own shorcomings

[@yellowtaipan-g3t]

Imagine getting a degree to be a professional in your field, and your job applications get rejected because the employer believes women aren't capable of most things. These women are pushing dangerous beliefs that limit other women in the world.

[@yellowtaipan-g3t]

These women are pushing dangerous beliefs that limit other women in the world. Imagine getting a degree to a be a professional in your field and your job applications get rejected because the employer believes women aren't capable, i'm sure this has happened many times somewhere in the world.

[@Brii98]

Definitely projection

[@BonazaiGirl]

Internalized misogyny at its core unfortunately. It’s like, she absolutely ignored the fact that people like Marie Curie, Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper are major pioneers in the math and science sphere. Hopper being an admiral in the military. Heck, _Deborah_ in the Bible was a Judge and military general. So it’s not like women weren’t capable of filling major positions. Just that patriarchal societies barred them from it and gave them less access to education.

[@da8083]

The girl with the dreds is exceptionally well read and articulate and quick on her feet.

[@Lee-kn4iu]

Yeah! She's amazing

[@Annie5825]

Can we please call her a WOMAN not a girl?

[@Mask1099]

@@Annie5825 the girl

[@catbreadd1513]

Fr!

[@lookingforwhiteprivilege9330]

lol I couldn’t take her seriously with the way she’s dressed talking about patriarchy lol. It’s like a caricature.

[@jamiedorsey4167]

It seems to me that the trad wife lifestyle isn't really traditional. Its a sort of post feminist neo-trad thing. They're enjoying the empowerment and respect that feminism gave them and that has an impact on the dynamics of their marriages.

[@brandy2552]

Yes, literally this!

[@jasperhernandez5931]

False

[@sophiesonozaki5886]

We don’t know how their marriages go They might be miserable but would never tell

[@BaNeIntent]

@@jasperhernandez5931 What an intelligent counter-argument you’ve made.

[@jasperhernandez5931]

@@BaNeIntent that’s not a argument try again

[@DesertPrimrose]

My grandmother in the 1960s was battered by her husband. She had no education and 8 kids. She had not opportunity to leave the situation. I'm grateful I'm not in her shoes.

[@gregoryadler7806]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a traditional trad-wife, but they are all romantiziting the Leave it to Beaver paradise that wasn’t how it really was when probably the huge majority (but not all) of women had at least some of your grandmothers experience.

[@Lucywilliams-s3c]

now most men are pushing against feminism to make us in her shoes

[@DanielAge777]

Ya we get it Evil men abusing women everywhere

[@fantasiamese3160]

Not sure if she’s still alive but I hope she’s at peace now :( 🫶

[@chrisallum9044]

That's false. That was false LONG before 1960 too. Throughout human history beating your wife had consequences.

[@JanikaRichards]

It blows my mind that some people think all women have less professional stamina. We're all people. Some people are smart, some aren't. Some people can work hard, some can't. Why do they say women should just stand back? Then they abusers will roam free and exploit us because of financial power imbalance.

[@FernzWife]

I think we have the same stamina but we have different priorities and an internal clock that makes up take certain decisions to be more safe with our choices than men who don’t have that but instead have the pressure of having to succeed to have a wife and money and so on so that also makes them take more chances than we would that often propel them forward faster than women. A woman could definitely do the same but we chose not to because we prioritize family.

[@reallyshel]

Look at statistics for one...not hard to understand. Men are far more competitive than women.

[@Inkedalic3]

​@reallyshel it bothers me when people make statements like yours, define "competitiveness", say what statistics youre talking about. In one go your own comments you said thay nothing is ever so simple, so stop making stupidly simple statements.

[@davidhudson7880]

It's not that women dont have 'professional stamina', it's that they don't generally have the same professional drive. Poll after poll has shown this. The 'wage gap' is due to women taking time off to have children, and in the aggregate, working less hours when they are working. Men simply have an inner competitive drive that most women lack. Men are also the majority of workers in the most dangerous, and thus most lucrative jobs.

[@yellowtaipan-g3t]

@@reallyshel What statistics? If the playing field was always equal and women weren't limited from most jobs fields there would be no debate about any of this.

[@bananamilktrs466]

As a christian woman who is also a scientist, I was shocked at some things that tradwives were saying. Many of it is not even christianity, just irrelevant rules made up by the church or the patriarchy and it was quite disheartening to listen to. Many of the biological arguments they made were unfactual and have been proven unreliable/ incorrect.

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

You really need to get around social media more. At this point, this is not even the most shocking tradwives have said.

[@ljones9841]

👏🏽

[@lauragonzalez5584]

could you elaborate on which are those irrelevant rules made up by the church? I'm honestly curious because we Christians belong to the church (perhaps to different denominations), but still a church. So I'm not sure which "church" do you refer to and also which rules specifically

[@deannawakefield4722]

@@lauragonzalez5584some Christians practice on their own to stray away from possible bias within a church. Not saying all churches are bad but there is a stigma around the church forming harmful views no matter the denomination.

[@jillybeangaming]

would you mind elaborating on your comment by providing a couple examples of each? what did they say that wasn't Christian? which points did they make that weren't biologically accurate? i know they said some things that I disagreed with, but I'm just curious to hear your side.

[@myareese740]

1. I’ll get a divorce if he hits me or cheats on me too much 2. I got my degree and was the breadwinner for a while Do they really… not understand that they were able to do that because of feminism? Incredibly contradictory, this is not a debate - at this point this is a little embarrassing.

[@emmanuelabalihi5747]

Some of them agreed with first wave feminism and acknowledged that. Their arguments is against mordern feminism

[@mourning-lamb777]

Why does it seem that America is hungry to go backwards?

[@iamalorasoof3467]

​@@emmanuelabalihi5747child marriage is still legal in the US btw

[@kk8490]

@@emmanuelabalihi5747they literally defended the anti-suffragists in the beginning of the video lol

[@tupacshakur3745]

“modern feminism” is not bad either. looking at the extremes of any group will make it look bad but most modern feminists do not behave in the manner that chronically online people believe they do.

[@halloooo9865]

i would never want my daughter to center her life around another person

[@jesusbarrera6916]

Why not?

[@davinanaylor9443]

@@jesusbarrera6916 because they can leave and leave you with nothing.

[@Ed95366]

​@@davinanaylor9443 alright. No one said to not have a job. Centering your life around the person you love≠being unemployed/house person(wife/husband)/not have a social life etc.

[@ChrisBX1789]

Instead modern day women center their life around social media, OF & money. Yea that's way better

[@destanyepuckett]

​@@ChrisBX1789lol be so fr

[@heyyo4640]

I think the main point is that we need to have a CHOICE because we're all different

[@nehadeokar4591]

And that is what feminism provided

[@Sanlix-dx1ph]

Do these women not understand the reason why they are able sit and talk about this topic is because of feminism . If those women wouldn't have fought for are rights they won't be sitting her talking about it .

[@DSS712]

Exactly. At the end they are like "we are obviously against forced marriage" but like...if you're against forced marriage but enjoy being married, then congrats your a feminist

[@Just.anordinaryperson]

I'm so tired of people saying abortion is never needed to save the mother's life. I know someone who was pregnant and had complications from Crohn's. She ended up going into sepsis and one of the ways she was treated was by removing the baby (way too early) so her body could fight the infection. She survived, the baby didn't. If they wouldn't have removed the baby, they probably both would have died.

[@anegron3285]

Some people don't understand until they experience it

[@sofiaciaramella6080]

@@anegron3285yeah that’s called willful ignorance. you don’t have to understand a medical issue by going through it. literally all these idiots need is education and empathy.

[@emben2398]

Curious, by remove the baby did she deliver that baby extremely early or was there a C-section? The way you explain it seems that the baby at least had a small chance at life and was not intentionally dismembered physically or chemically in the womb. Which that would fall in line with pro-life views…

[@Just.anordinaryperson]

@@emben2398 It was a c-section. It was too early for the baby to have a chance to live.

[@Maggy54321]

Then that’s not abortion, that’s early delivery

[@tornadogamer7534]

That woman denying the existence of medical necessity to abortion is absolutely wild and breath-taking ignorance

[@ScrawyGaunt]

This

[@rosiex2757]

It hasn't happened to them so it doesn't exist obviously

[@danicap9565]

Yeah.. her acting like it’s the norm too. Late stage termination is so low and only considered in extreme circumstances.

[@SamudraFlavorsYT]

small minded people

[@SamudraFlavorsYT]

12:11 we are just bodies, my body is ready to ovulate 💀💀

[@princesjasmyn]

“It was scandalous” to leave your wife and children but it wasn’t shameful enough for it to never happen.

[@Anonymous21r95]

That lady who thinks abortion for medical emergency "does not exist" is pure ignorance. And I say that as someone who generally doesn’t support abortion

[@tonyshine89]

I understood her to a point, that an emergency c section will be faster and safer that the act of abortion. Because the act of abortion in the late weeks is slow and dangerous. From this point of view, it makes sense.

[@jaelynn295]

feminists would agree that if you want to be a trad wife and you're happy then go for it, but trad wives just want women to solely submit to men is what I'm getting from this video.

[@CHK12319]

Feminists despise trad wives

[@eyes9596]

That’s the issue with any conservative thinking. It’s straight authoritarian where they want everyone to conform to their way of life. At least with feminist and democrats you have a choice.

[@cassididemercado8507]

Yeah exactly what I was thinking. They want all woman to just think like them. Feminist just want woman to do what fulfills each individual woman.

[@imoosiixx]

Nah I know feminists that damn women who wanna stay home all the time so that’s not necessarily true but it’s not as common maybe

[@DanielAge777]

Lol feminist do not agree They just recently began changing their tune because there is a lot of backlash against them, they usually look down on housewives.

[@migwigpee0796]

I’m already tired of this video and I haven’t even started watching it 😂

[@alannanicole9026]

Just the title alone 😂

[@gbatista20]

I saw Jasmen (the 304 lawyer) and I feel tired of the video already

[@IamHeyonce]

I see u with the Dee profile pic love to see another fan of hers

[@shaneciamustafa4967]

Lmao, Yess it only minutes in and over it

[@Datura..]

1 min in already clicking off

[@jemmakirk7743]

As a woman working in a traditional male field, it's not my body or hormones that make that career path difficult it's the misogyny.

[@RalphCifaretto-iy1hk]

No it's because you're physically weaker than the vast majority of men. If your job is a physical one I mean

[@jesusbarrera6916]

"Mean people make the job harder it's so unfair" Welcome to 90% of the workforce

[@quackquack9022]

⁠@@jesusbarrera6916um did they say that…? If you’re not a woman you’ll never know what it feels like to experience discrimination as a result of being female. Do not talk like you know what such a thing is or isn’t like.

[@quackquack9022]

@RalphCifaretto-iy1hk making assumptions… here’s a gold star ⭐️

[@RalphCifaretto-iy1hk]

@@quackquack9022 You are physically weaker than the vast majority of men. That's a fact, not an assumption.

[@ciaralauren6156]

As a christian - let's stop using "as a christian" as your argument

[@kaorirose4132]

Amen

[@sylvia1797]

Leadership is 100% not "baked in" to men. My dad was a college professor, very smart, but if he wasn't working, all he wanted to do was shut himself away and read. He was the one bringing in a paycheck, but if my mom didn't pay all the bills and handle expenses, it wouldn't get done. He didn't get upset easily so she had to be the disciplinarian whenever I did something wrong. I think she would have loved to relinquish control on some things, but everything fell to her simply because of his personality.

[@bigbabyskid5825]

It’s up to us men to choose to be leaders to follow Gods plan for us & our family. True followers of Christ are usually Men who are willing to put in the work to become leaders

[@ShadedTopaz1]

I especially loved the argument that women are natural manager but not natural leaders. Managing people and ideas are what leaders do!

[@geethasanthosh6084]

In the majority of the successful families, husband and wife take decisions together . Decision making should be collective not like dictatorship.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

This has been fairly common in families for millenia, men bring the money and women handle finances...

[@Nono-ut8kz]

​@@bigbabyskid5825nope, it's that way only because of tradition

[@smallblueangel]

If they really choose to be tradwifes and are happy with that, all is fine. But feminism made sure women have this choice

[@CatSchrodingers]

I found a smart comment.

[@TheVeganVicar]

Tradwifes? Now THERE is a new word for you.

[@blueiris1542]

👍 Common sense ain’t all that common

[@cje9]

💯👏🏼👏🏼

[@ARajantara777]

Facts 💯

[@natalyaocallaghan4877]

the fact that she is willing to believe that women are getting abortions at 9 months because of “mental health” but not believe that there are any medical emergencies in which an abortion is necessary is WILD

[@gloriaa.roseyy]

Yea I could literally not believe my ears like wtf

[@memecakes4436]

Why is abortion necessary at 9 month? 😢 if you can abort you can give birth either C-section or vaginal

[@ashleyb216]

No, what’s “WILD” is to believe an abortion is necessary at 9 months gestation vs a caesarean. Literally not a single reason a viable baby needs to be hacked to pieces or receive an induced-heart attack via a needle stabbed into their heart (to which labor has to be induced - so now instead of an anesthetic to mom, she has to go through the stress and pain of labor on top of whatever her medical condition is). It was a bit discouraging seeing how ignorant the feminists were during that segment.

[@natalyaocallaghan4877]

@@ashleyb216 if someone is carrying a baby for 9 months i PROMISE you they where intending to have that baby and to get the news that they cannot have the child they where planing to bring into the world is probably some of the worst news they will ever have in their life, if they could just have a c-section they would, people shouldn’t make decisions on other people’s bodies when they clearly have no understanding of how those bodies work

[@ashleyb216]

@@natalyaocallaghan4877 Sure!! I don’t deny that for a moment. But what I am saying is, there is literally not a single medical reason why a viable baby can’t be delivered via c-section. So when these late-term abortions are occurring, we need to ask WHY. Because there’s no justification. Even if mom is perfectly healthy, but baby has a terminal diagnosis, the baby can still receive basic human rights - delivered and provided with palliative care (and mom gets closure for the dignity she provided to her child and loved them well for their last moments on earth).

[@jaylinking3522]

1:02:26 saying “that’s because you value money more than your morals” was soooo disrespectful

[@sophiathieme3037]

She’s completely brain washed

[@takuandhenri502]

I would love to see this remade, but no one is allowed to mention any religious argument

[@BonazaiGirl]

@@takuandhenri502 The issue with that is you’ll have to find people who _aren’t_ religious who choose the Tradwife lifestyle. They do exist (was just typing to an atheist Tradwife in this very comment section with great insight), but for most people, the reason why they choose the lifestyle is specifically due to religious reasons.

[@takuandhenri502]

@ that’s fine, could be the exact same group of people in this video for all I care 😂 but the point I’m making is i think it’s an invalid argument to hold other to your own religious standards, and even worse to make laws based on one groups religious standards.

[@sirebellum0]

~2/3rds of the country is religious. The numbers are dropping with time but still very strong. To ignore it is to not be realistic to how the country thinks, even if it does seem annoying to you.

[@yoshisgarage4828]

Yeah but they should have had an Islamic women Jewish and buddisht etc

[@AnthonyTertiusMooreJr]

@@takuandhenri502there is an objective truth and just because you don’t understand that doesn’t invalidate the truth

[@EmiliaDoesArt]

Being a trad wife and being treated with respect by your husbands is a direct result from feminism! And that’s okay! But why not admit your life is better now then it would have been 70 years ago, because of these courageous and outspoken women?

[@BonazaiGirl]

This. Domestic violence rates were off the scale before the 1970s before no-fault divorce was an option and women could finally have their own bank account.

[@madsyxx]

Exactly! These women can live however they want, but they have all expressed that they still want to be treated kindly and respectfully by their husbands. That's what feminism is for.

[@emmanuelabalihi5747]

Some of the people on the other side agreed with first way feminism. Its the new feminism that they dont agree with.

[@yellowtaipan-g3t]

@@emmanuelabalihi5747 That's a cop out. Being anti choice is against all branches of feminism.

[@salciano]

Interesting. So, your life better because you have to work way more?

[@antoniamulley5490]

these women perfectly express what feminism is at so many points of this debate. Not only do they put their points across so effortlessly, but it's refreshing knowing jubilee didn't put "crazy" feminists with extreme radical views, and simply put women who believe in true equity in our society (as we all should believe)

[@mlthornton1]

I don't believe in true equity and I suspect that you don't either

[@Mishyou33]

I was actually surprised at the level headed and respectful feminist too😂 they picked great people on this one

[@madsyxx]

@@mlthornton1 How can you just suspect what someone else believes? I could suspect that you actually do believe in true equity and you would call me wrong. She says she believes in equity so she does.

[@Kami-oj6om]

Women don't believe in true equity and never will (The Draft)

[@Jessicad9304]

Yes! I thought the feminists did great. I’m really hopeful that progressives are going to come back stronger than ever.

[@fabentekle]

these women calling themselves “trad wives” while wearing pants, buying houses, and voting is an actual affront to all the work feminists have done/are doing. they literally wouldn’t be able to sit on this platform sharing their misguided and delusional thoughts if it wasn’t for the feminism that they’re hellbent on discrediting. i’d love for them to have lived the life of a real trad wife and see what their thoughts are then. the premise of this whole conversation is flawed without anyone even opening their mouth to speak because these “trad wives” were able to CHOOSE the lifestyle they are living - they weren’t forced into it. they reap the benefits of feminism, and all that it affords them, while taking a dump on it in the same breath. i genuinely can’t tell if they’re unintelligent or just detached from reality.

[@megan7506]

I love being married to my husband. We are a team and both have full time jobs. This is how our marriage best works for us. All I can say is that stay at home moms and tradwives can and should lead the life they want but with protection. Leaving your entire financial well-being in the hands of your spouse is a scary and vulnerable position to be in.

[@michaelplauche9901]

Not when he’s a lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc. I don’t think women become housewives on purpose, they do it when hubby makes the $$

[@Coodahluv]

Its all about trust

[@luna-mi5ve]

@@michaelplauche9901even if they make a lot of money it’s still not safe to rely on one person for your wellbeing. anything could happen and it’s smart to have a backup plan just in case

[@venus77777]

@@michaelplauche9901 It's still a vulnerable position to be in no matter how much money your partner makes

[@PrendeII]

exactly, it's insane some women there did not acknowledge this. when the fact is that so many women end up under the bridge with 5 kids.

[@ecolbe]

I’m the son of a Christian tradwife who’s husband cheated on her and the divorce put the entire family in a financial bind that we are still having a hard time recovering from 23 yrs later. If you choose this “traditional lifestyle” you are putting yourself at a huge financial risk please work even if part time and have a education to fall back on men ain’t sh!t and not worth risking your financial well being over.

[@uvu5922]

Thank you for sharing this

[@tomfrien]

So because you had one that experience, all women should listen to you alone and simply not have a traditional lifestyle. Really letting the fear of the minority run your life.

[@sophiathieme3037]

Thank you for sharing! That’s exactly it

[@przemysawpeka3080]

look at divorce rates now and then.

[@nrb1989]

@@przemysawpeka3080 apples and oranges. Women couldn’t leave their marriages then, but then can now. Obviously that results in more divorces. It’s like asking why more women have bank accounts after 1974….because of that’s when it became legal and there was a steady uptick after that. Pretty simple to think through…

[@OmniTarget13]

Next Middle Ground - Illegal immigrants vs ICE agents

[@drwalka10]

😂

[@Wakuppeopletheywanttocontrolus]

We make so mach we are not criminals After illegally crossing the border

[@bel-angekibiti2423]

🤣.....i was dead

[@fisforfilip]

it's a TRAP!

[@Krissieason-cf5jg]

the way I gasped when I read this comment. this comment is underrated

[@sillvee_5859]

SHE SAID YOU SHOULD TAKE IT TO THE BACK ALLEY BRO THATS CRAZZZYYY

[@morningivy]

I hate the use of the word submission, like it's a competition for control 😂 a husband and wife should depend on each other. Codependency, communication, and autonomy are key in any relationship.

[@Orange56222]

Yeah but the idea of submission isn’t used interchangeably, there’s an expectation on the woman. Bc it was written by men, back in the day

[@morningivy]

@@Orange56222 I don't understand what you're saying in context of my comment

[@caseycurtis3836]

I completely agree. It's so cringey! Like why submit? Why not cooperate?

[@lauragonzalez5584]

The thing is that the term submission in the Bible is different to the term of submission we understand today and even that some of the tradwifes described

[@SundayHusband-7]

I completely agree, but when they talk about "submission" in the bible, is way different from the stereotypical meaning of "submission" we have today

[@vistaoalry4883]

I hate it when tradwives/any conservative will bring up the constitution…so whatever was written in the constitution indicates truth and reason for the rest of time? Cmon, have some common sense

[@xProdigyxGames]

Yes u do live in america correct?

[@vistaoalry4883]

@ I personally don’t, I’m in Canada - but I think it is common sense that regulations decided over 100years ago might not hold up. Philosophical theories of how society should function have come a long way and I think that with the amount of pushback and amendments of certain rights that the constitution clearly isn’t an accurate representation of what is “true” or what is “best” Our society has grown exponentially and definitely has outgrown certain aspects of the constitution - the constitution neglects to take into consideration the rapid growth and change of our society. Our world is not constant and we shouldn’t be governed by a set of constant rules that were created in a world that is WAY different than it is now

[@HouseMDaddict]

They bring up the Bible also...whichever version is written to suit their needs.

[@Chrisstarrp]

@@vistaoalry4883 looking at modern politics the Constitution doesn't seem to matter anymore.

[@janep342]

The constitution allows for changes of the time in the the text, and it has the system for making amendments built into it as well. That’s a factual correction, but I understand the point you’re making, that people need to be reasonable that things change in time when trying to govern.

[@sodalindau8364]

I will never be able to understand how some women deny themselves their own rights.

[@BonazaiGirl]

@@sodalindau8364 Unfortunately, it operates the same way how some black people are against their own interests or how some closeted gay/lesbian people rage against LGBTQ rights. Internalized hatred is a terrible thing.

[@rainbowdropsrainbowdrops4546]

We have internalized misogyny from thousands of years of being disrespected and mistreated.

[@lalumierehuguenote]

@@rainbowdropsrainbowdrops4546And you guys prove the point that feminism is not about "let women do what they want", but instead "we need to liberate women who have internalised patriarchy". What a setup...

[@Cheray_]

As a traditional black SAHM/wife of 24 years...what rights do you feel I'm denying myself?

[@minatmshk8398]

@@Cheray_ Read their comment again and watch the video. Not everything is about you

[@mrme2155]

If you believe that there is never a medical reason to need an abortion but you also believe that virgins can give birth, I find it hard to take you seriously.

[@sweetpea2236]

"aS a ChRiStIAn WoMAn" not everyone is christain, and you shouldn't force your idea on others..tradewives need to just stay in the home like they want and leave other women alone

[@Preciouu]

as a christian woman I agree with you

[@GebreMMII]

how’s she forcing her idea? dumbass atheist 💀

[@promisewanogho]

Did they put a gun in your head

[@sweetpea2236]

@@Preciouu I’m also Christian, I’m glad at least some of us actually listened in Sunday school

[@AnthonyTertiusMooreJr]

@@Preciouuas a Christian do you disagree with Mark 16:15?

[@Jes-ff5mp]

This was like a handmaid’s tale x euphoria crossover 😭😭 Also Siete was easily the most well spoken and made the best arguments. Jubilee should definitely bring her back more! The feminists overall made the strongest arguments between both sides in terms of freedom, autonomy and agency for women tbh.

[@eyes9596]

There is nothing logical about assuming women are inferior to men based solely off of gender. I said it’s illogical because most data shows women and men on average are the same. It’s only when you look at the exception or outliers do you see men tend to do better.

[@Jes-ff5mp]

@@eyes9596 did u mean to reply to someone else coz ur agreeing with me lol?

[@electric336]

Confirmation bias.

[@jjoh158]

Yes I really enjoyed Siete.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

​@@eyes9596women are not inferior to men But to say they are the same is just as moronic Women and men have massive differences that force them into f different aspects and jobs on our society

[@sakainah9886]

Tradwives rely solely on religion for justification; I would have loved to see this debate without everything constantly being justified in its name.

[@coldtruth17]

@sakainah9886 The best way for feminists to swing the pendulum is for most women to go for "weaker" men but we know that won't happen lol

[@woopygoman]

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of tradwives are theists, if not all of them. Beliefs inform actions so no surprise there.

[@daenerystargaryen1440]

Women can be incredible leaders. Have the tradwives never heard of Elizabeth the first Queen of England?

[@veegeeze]

Every time the woman with the glasses and beige shirt talked my brain seized. That anyone could be so confidently wrong is disturbing. Also, just because she sucked at her job and turned to being a tradwife to make her feel better for that failure doesn't mean that other women need to do the same.

[@uvu5922]

Period💅🏻

[@QueenLighting4399]

Given that she doesn't think abortion is medically necessary, I'm glad she's not a child psychologist

[@f.tp342]

@@QueenLighting4399 literally 😭

[@nat-oh5uq]

what was she wrong about exactly?

[@veegeeze]

@@nat-oh5uq read the transcript if you forgot what she said. But trust me forgetting is probably a blessing.

[@Angel-tu9jm]

As someone who takes birth control because of my period and intense cramps. I am not mentally unwell, my body is fine, and I'm quite glad to be able to take it and not have to be bedridden with pain once a month.

[@selfridgesforever4399]

I feel you. When I was younger my periods were awful. Birth control helped me later in life but didn't take it before because family thought it would make me promiscuous. So silly looking back at it now. They'd rather me be in pain than take medication.

[@Daisy99999]

Well how long have you been on it? When you’re on it a long time it starts to feel normal but if you stopped taking it for even a month you feel very different. Your endocrine system is very sensitive and putting hormones in your body is going to change you in some way or another. But yes obviously that’s your choice, you can decide what’s more beneficial to you.

[@makennapolovino555]

The acne was crazyyyyy too

[@Angel-tu9jm]

@Daisy99999 Not that any of my symptoms are your business but I've been on it for about three years. I do not feel different when I'm off it besides the fact the bedridden cramps come back. Like I said before my body is fine, I trust a medical professional over a stranger any day.

[@LMJ-ly8ug]

Have you looked into seeing an endometriosis specialist? I used birth control to help with my debilitating symptoms for years. But after I got to have an excision surgery it was life changing. I think birth control can be a fantastic tool for helping with pain, but unfortunately often is used as a bandaid solution to a deeper issue that's being looked over. 🤍

[@debSGSS]

The blond woman saying that Christianity is the objctive truth made my blood boil. Religion is subjective truth for each individual.

[@N1no_ion]

As a christian I agree

[@TheVeganVicar]

@@N1no_ion chrisian? Now THERE is a new word for you.

[@N1no_ion]

@@TheVeganVicar OK bro

[@Preciouu]

YES AS A CHRISTIAN I AGREE

[@madsyxx]

Yes! And this is my biggest problem with a lot of religious people, they think their religion is the objective truth. I don't have any problem whatsoever with religion until people try applying it to ME

[@jessicaalbright1749]

This is literally insane, props to the feminists for being so articulate in the face of that frustrating trad talk (its society not biology, goddamn)

[@Lushabundance]

Female pediatric surgeons are putting themselves at a disadvantage, but being completely financially dependent on another person isn’t a disadvantage… it’s a lot of very illogical thinking on the tradwife side, which lends well to their disposition that women aren’t as great at applying knowledge or making decisions. Feminist side has an integrated feminine + masculine approach to life, which should be a goal for every human. Freedom and agency over oneself, while recognizing biological limitations.

[@asmileaday365]

@@Lushabundance Makes perfect sense that the "tradwives" were illogical. Clearly their husbands do the fair majority of the thinking, if not all of it. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@ETrademarkk]

The tradwives just completely didn't listen to anything Jazmen said about her current relationship during the marriage/divorce prompt. They just did not want any middle ground.

[@Realninjagamer28]

she is a only fans 304 her opinion doesn't matter she claims she a lawyer buy she getting clapped on only fans. Her opinion means nothing in society

[@Ella-me4pf]

The blue dress girl got triggeeer

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

@@Realninjagamer28 With this low IQ response, your opinions should be the only opinions that don't matter.

[@awashrelic]

@@Realninjagamer28worst part about this is I bet you watch her videos on the low 😂

[@Mask1099]

@@awashrelic not everyone's like you

[@HeiudhdbddbbrbHdhdhdvvdbdh-n2l]

Abortion is ABSOLUTELY treatment for certain medical conditions. It’s not a matter of agreeing, it is a fact. Ectopic pregnancy, for example.

[@Adi_digital_diary]

Ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion. A simple google search disproves this.

[@linnettemontes1359]

Incorrect

[@T.K.T]

​@@Adi_digital_diaryHow would you define an abortion? Since the simple definition is just terminating the pregnancy with the knowledge that it may lead to the death of the fetus.

[@f.tp342]

@@Adi_digital_diary just because it is not called an abortion doesn't mean it's not one as during an ectopic pregnancy the baby is fine and alive, you're taking the life of said baby or fetus because the mother would not survive. sounds exactly like an abortion.

[@HeiudhdbddbbrbHdhdhdvvdbdh-n2l]

When did I say an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion? I said that ABORTION is sometimes a necessary TREATMENT for an ectopic pregnancy. I’m an EMT, I would know. This is also very public information, sorry you have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader.

[@leahsambrano8078]

nah when she said “that’s not real” to women having medical emergencies.. 😭😭

[@b_f_d_d]

that's crazy lmao

[@boboloko]

36:54 This woman is arguing that before women joined the workforce, communities would pool their resources and take care of women who were abandoned or widowed? That's not true.

[@bonster101]

Its literally the opposite, Women with out husbands were ostracized. this is very simple history,.

[@mlthornton1]

"That's not true" as a response is on par with "nuh uh!"

[@praisetitus5143]

@@mlthornton1it’s pretty common knowledge that women without husbands and children were ostracised in society in a way single men weren’t. A huge chunk of the women targeted as witches were unmarried older women 😂

[@emmanuelabalihi5747]

I think outside the US thats true.

[@mlthornton1]

@@emmanuelabalihi5747 more of the same... "I think... that's true". That's not convincing at all

[@naruto102511]

"statistics show the more stressed a woman is the more likely she is to be anxious or depressed" YEA THAT'S KINDA HOW THAT WORKS???

[@asmileaday365]

@@naruto102511 You have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Most of them lack education and their husbands clearly do the majority of the thinking for them. They're just not all that bright. She didn't think once before that came out of her mouth, let alone thought twice.

[@leyax219]

Yeah and as if the exact same doesn’t apply to men?😂

[@Idieah]

the WHOLEEEE point of feminism is you can choose to be a trade wife or not . like im so confused by why the trad wives made it co complicated .

[@TOhara-eb2lp]

I am a Tradwife by choice and more than once have been treated like a traitor.

[@mx8357]

@@TOhara-eb2lpif that’s the case than the people who made you feel like a traitor are not feminists, it’s that simple. People can “say” they are anything, doesn’t mean they are.

[@Ehhhidc]

​@@mx8357 every single time something is proven against yall, all of a sudden those dont count🤨

[@nevswain478]

@@Ehhhidc EVERY single time.... It's just tiring to see the hoops women jump through to cover thier bad behaviour.

[@SundayHusband-7]

​@@mx8357Oh yeah, they're suddenly not "feminists", it's magical and simple as that then? When it's not convenient they are not considered? Even when they're the major part? Because it's the major part of feminists that acts like this.

[@ilovepdub]

Anytime you bring religious people to a logical interview, realism goes out of the window

[@kontsakeisari]

26:40 the tradwife is NUTS, how tf can anyone deny that there are medical emergencies

[@PrendeII]

that's the craziest part of the video.

[@iamalorasoof3467]

Because they were brainwashed by their husbands

[@xxsupastarxx]

In this day and age there is never a need for it.

[@tupacshakur3745]

@@xxsupastarxx you’re unbelievably ignorant

[@meihalo]

​@xxsupastarxx for medical emergencies that require abortions? Yes there is.

[@viv8394]

11:20 i hope the young girls that dream of being doctors and lawyers and astronauts never ever watch this video. sad to see women bringing women down

[@somatoes4667]

i am so glad discourse like this never existed when i was a teenager

[@ina43431]

@@somatoes4667 discourse like this has always existed if you're still alive today.

[@somatoes4667]

@@ina43431 didn’t hear it where i was when i was a teenager! i suppose we’re too cut off from the rest of the world here in NZ 😂 but i suppose with easier access to media from other countries and social media becoming more prevalent, i’m starting to hear all this from other parts of the world. we’re too boring here in NZ.

[@averylittman5115]

The tradwives being so disrespectful to Jazmin is disgusting. She a woman like all of us.

[@xCrimsonxTidex]

A p-rn star? ROFL!

[@Realninjagamer28]

@@xCrimsonxTidex why would they respect her lol she lays on her back for a living her opinion means nothing. She lives life on easy mode.

[@tomasnovota1747]

​@@Realninjagamer28 i love how y'all hate women who have an "easy job"... but then men who live of their parent's money and inheritance are a-ok. How ironic.

[@T1000-y9h]

Opinion rejected

[@Ed95366]

​@@tomasnovota1747 well "men who live off their parent's money and inheritance" never came it up now did it? Otherwise it would've been talked about. The topic was about about someone who does pom lmao.

[@kaylacosy]

Funny how the everyone in this video would not even have this chance if it weren’t for feminism. Its so terrifying how some of these people are so grown and have kids of their own… smh. The lady saying “its not real” is so ignorant and its scary. Women only seem “more stressed” because theyre actually being SEEEN NOW because of FEMINISM. Like hello???? We can speak freely now. Before (and still in some relationships) women were ignored and beaten to the point of being not only afraid but constantly dissociating. Lets be so fcking real.

[@aliyahk0069]

Her saying lgbtq allows minor attracted people is SO INCORRECT. WE DONT CLAIM PXDOS

[@coldtruth17]

@@aliyahk0069 that's where it's going with liberalism. People are being forced to accept what they don't agree with, so yall are leading the charge

[@wormbigail]

@@coldtruth17 literally no. no one in the lgbt community agrees with pedophilia. the church on the other hand......

[@wormbigail]

@@coldtruth17 and yes, accepting the world as it is is called living in reality. pedophilia is harmful, so we reject it. lgbt is consensual and natural. lgbt includes TRANS too dont miss that

[@boyiloveyouxamillion]

Ur group did whether u like it we not. Y’all tried snaking in MAPS. That came from ur cult

[@wormbigail]

@@coldtruth17 literally no. no one in the lgbt community agrees with pedophilia.

[@MoreAmerican]

It should be trad husbands debate feminists for their wives haha.

[@Stan2468-i5]

lol that would end bad😭

[@tahirahmed326]

The black girl is on fire 🔥

[@cheapbruh9778]

she was definitely the most annoying and most professional victim there

[@EstherDwomoh]

@@cheapbruh9778ohh brother reported and blocked ! No time for antagonistic ppl

[@PrendeII]

she was brilliant, until the end where i kind of felt she didn't argument well anymore, and the part she said we should not talk about trans women because we are cis women and it's not our fight, when there is a whole layer of feminists (radfem) who obviously would disagree and think that that's exactly what the fight is these days (to keep bio men out of our prisons, sports etc.) so i loved her most of the video, but she lost me there. i wish they brought non-progressive feminists, those who are politically centrist or radfem to participate as well. not just young zoomer progressive feminists, because this way conversation was basically older women vs younger ones, or something like that.

[@emmanuelabalihi5747]

Yeah as much as I disagreed with her on a lot it was kind of random bringing up trans people when were talking about feminism. Maybe they brought it up because modern feminism tends to push it? Perhaps.

[@CinnamonGirl-j3u]

Which black girl

[@sezztooley]

the trad wives only argument is their religiosity. this isn't really a matched fight when they only have a narrow viewpoint.

[@jagrubster]

I’m six minutes into this and I don’t think I can watch anymore without throwing up 🥰

[@Fnanaanf]

How come? Because the tradwives are disgusting?

[@ploddingonyou]

Fr

[@alyssastern6073]

I made it to 12 and I need to secure my mental health so I'm stopping

[@coldtruth17]

Yeah some of the feminists made it unbearable

[@PickleGobbler9000]

Ya feminist made it unbearable. They love saying they’re supportive but are trad wives number one haters.

[@itstessen]

They really said to my girl Jazmen "You're the oppressor" , "You Took that poor woman's husband" I can't.

[@klaudinegarcia8932]

notice how they blame the women for ruining a marriage and not the husband??? 😂

[@davinanaylor9443]

@@klaudinegarcia8932cus they think men are angels and other women are evil🤣 especially if they dont have the same views as them

[@MartaValentin3]

I mean she is completely moving women backwards with her job

[@marlisenecal4768]

She wasn’t even the reason they divorced. It happened 10 years before and no apology for the assumption and shaming. Gross

[@Entertainment-gc2oi]

Next episode: Stay-at-home husbands vs Meninists

[@honor9lite1337]

Meninist? Is that a word?

[@Entertainment-gc2oi]

@@honor9lite1337 Dunno, but it sounds like one

[@OmniTarget13]

What about stay at home husbands vs Mennonites

[@Entertainment-gc2oi]

@ That works too honestly

[@OmniTarget13]

@@Entertainment-gc2oi Stay at home husbands vs Methodists

[@samcait]

Honestly this conversation is borderline scary. Hearing the women say they believe “submitting” is priority is genuinely making me sad.

[@Rin22730]

Because you've been indoctrinated to be afraid of trusting someone else.

[@kyrastar6678]

How is submitting to your husband wrong ? If it's not for you it's not for you but it's not scary.

[@SundayHusband-7]

Just to specify to you, submitting is not "allowing yourself to be violated/spanked" or whatever comes to your mind, is simply not being an anti-men animal, respecting your husband and demand the same treatment back as a traditional husband also should do.

[@samcait]

@@SundayHusband-7 submission by definition is actually “the action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person” . To make yourself therefore “inferior” to that person is what I consider to be dangerous and sad to see. I am not anti-men. I love men and I feel they play an important role in society, but to submit myself to a partner does not, in itself, mean that I respect them. Especially does not mean that they respect me, because if it was an equal relationship of respect than not one or the other person would be considered superior and nobody would have to submit. Maybe their practices in the home are not abusive at all, but to come into a very publically viewed conversation talking about submission is a very dangerous choice of words.

[@SundayHusband-7]

@samcait I guess so, the understanding of submission diverges a lot, and don't get me wrong, i never insinuated that you was a crazy anti-men chick, i'm just saying that the christian meaning of "submission" is way different from the mundane view, poor choice of words i guess, "partnership" would be a way easier term to explain the biblical submission on a more comprehensive way.

[@olliegreyh]

this just makes me wonder what happened in some of these tradwives lives to make them feel so small and unworthy.

[@Brickby-Brick]

having a big narcissistic ego and spreading legs, and then abortion , doesn't make a woman or anyone big and worthy

[@CHK12319]

What happened to the feminists to tie all of their worth to a paycheck and to hate and fear men so much?

[@NoCapJustFaxts]

But glossed over the chick that's selling her body online and didn't ask her the same 😂

[@niamh3415]

Christianity girl

[@beneficentnature9356]

​@@NoCapJustFaxtsexactly lol. She thinks OF is empowering and not worthy of criticism. Absolutely pathetic

[@jakehoon69]

Siete is sooooo well-spoken, well-educated, yet so humble and respectful to everyone involved in the debate. I loved hearing her perspective on each topic, and I could literally see cogs turning in the tradwives brains as she spoke because she was making such valid POINTS. it was so refreshing... From one feminist to another, thank you girl!

[@Utada379]

The biggest OP of ANY marginalized group is a a member of that group with internalized hate. The audacity of that woman to say that other women put themselves at a INHERENT BIOLOGICAL disadvantage because of us find purpose in life beyond a partner and kids is insane. Women physicians push themselves extremely hard and outcomes show that female patients offered have better outcomes with female physicians. Insane.

[@matttate920]

What is a female? (Male feminist here)

[@ktehl]

Telling women that don’t want kids to just track your cycle rather than have access to abortion or birth control because it’s ‘only 5 days a month’ is so unrealistic for so many women. Up to 20-25% of women have irregular periods, that’s nearly a quarter of Americans, not even accounting world wide. For those women tracking your period is quite literally impossible sometimes. I would know, trying to track my period is quite literally a guessing game. It wasn’t until I got on birth control I started seeing consistency in my cycle.

[@ktehl]

NOT TO MENTION those women have the choice of being a trad wife whether they realize it or not. Being a stay at home mom and home maker is THEIR choice. Feminism today is literally all about giving everyone the choice to be as they please. The entire reason feminism started is because we were tired of not being given the choice of being a home maker or a choice in what our government does or a choice in where the family finances go etc. These women are all saying they are in 50/50 relationships, they have a say in all of those things and they don’t even realize that is BECAUSE of feminism changing societal standards on how we collectively view women. Do you think women in the 40s and 50’s were seen as powerful and whatnot? No they were seen as not worthy of being able to truly contribute to our society so they were silly responsible for feeding the men and raising the next generation of men to work and girls to cook clean and raise kids. They didn’t have the choice. These women do.

[@ramonserna8089]

I always thought Tradwifes meant they would trade with other partners like swingers and stuff lol. I guess we learn something new each day.

[@kermitderdawg]

😭😭😭😭

[@biggdee3816]

🎉same honestly,never married these terms be too similar fr😅

[@faithkatunge5200]

Wtf 😂😂😂 how, lol

[@natinatyoutube]

This is officially my new definition for "tradwife" now. Thanks.

[@sleepiestfae]

I mean it happens 😂

[@Modikie]

1:26 child of a single mother, when she first met her husband when she was 14 she "immediately knew she wanted to spend her life with him". Im glad things seem to be working out well for her now. But that situation she just discribed is what could have been the situation her mother was in when she became a single mother.

[@need2bstopped]

exactly!!! they think their testimony supersedes other people’s literal lived experience

[@vistaoalry4883]

I’ve been out of the workforce for 2 years taking care of my children and just those two years of missing experience has made it so hard for me to get a job. I still haven’t found one. Before having my children I NEVER struggled to find a job. Anytime I interview they are impressed until they hear that I haven’t been working for the past two years… My choices for career are now severely limited. Those tradwives are delusional if they think they wouldnt struggle to find a career should their husbands leave

[@Daisy99999]

Why would taking 2 years off from work matter that much? I don’t get it

[@vistaoalry4883]

@ I don’t get it either! If anything the experience of raising children has made me even more capable

[@xxsupastarxx]

You don’t need a career, a job is fine.

[@vistaoalry4883]

@@xxsupastarxxa job that would cover the cost of child care would do! Most “jobs” won’t do this. We have to remember that minimum wage jobs are designed for young students to get into the workforce, not for mothers to support their families.

[@CHK12319]

It’s just the job market today. I’ve been working since college and can’t find a better job despite applying for two years straight.

[@mikemartelles7688]

The feminists were so patient, while many many times the trad wives were so inflammatory, put words in their mouths, assumed their positions and motivations on various topics. It's crazy how many conversations feel like this...One side being civil and the other being that lady in the blue dress

[@Katiestone-hf6od]

The difference is that the feminists believe in choice....the trads don't Feminists don't say you can't be a trad, rather they say you don't have to, but totally can be if you want to Whereas the trads' mindset is "every women has to live the way I do whether they want to or not"

[@NoCapJustFaxts]

Depending on the feminist you ask. Some don't like tradwives or stay at home moms

[@llbuilds4175]

i genuinely think that some of the tradwives refuse to believe that feminism is the reason they get to choose to lead their life as a tradwife

[@rainbowdropsrainbowdrops4546]

We stood up for them and protested for them for the last decade.

[@Kagiso22]

They aren’t smart enough to understand it. Too brainwashed to think freely

[@user-ut5uu1ms4t]

I think when the trad wives argue that men are biologically "physically stronger" and have more "leadership skills" they are thinking from a very limited perspective. Not all men are stronger, or better in leadership roles compared to women. I also find it contradicting that later in the video they mention women are better in managerial positions which is literally a leadership role. They even mention that they believe women are better advisors, but some of the trad wives still think men should have the final say and make the decisions. Absolutely insane.

[@TransWomenAreMen]

Yes men are stronger. You’re so delusional. Hence why we have women’s sport.

[@ThatSouthernBrunette]

You are correct not all men are stronger but trad women, like myself, look for men who are. My fiancee is a Marine serving our country. I trust him and know his moral stance. I know that he gets the final say in everything because he is indeed more capable. We are one. He doesn't think for me he thinks of me. He makes the decision that I want but am too emotional to make because big surprise sweetheart, He thinks of what is best for US! Not what's best for him but us so that we can make it. I am going to be a stay at home wife and proud of it. I made this decision when I was very young so before anyone says I'm brainwashed I'm not I just simply want to be an submissive partner to my husband.

[@TaeKenzie]

Agreed!

[@lallerina]

@ThatSouthernBrunettenotice how you have a choice tho?

[@ThatSouthernBrunette]

@@lallerina You really don't. Women will never be as strong or capable as men when it comes to leading. Say what you will but it's true.

[@heidih7210]

I think the problem with a lot of people is the inability to see beyond their own little bubble. For these tradwives and their hisbands, the stereotypical gender roles suit them and work for them. What they then do is project their own strengths and weaknesses to the rest of the human population, overlooking that there are as many ways to experience life as there are individual people. It's an incredibly narrow way to see life, it's ridiculous. I would not be bothered by it, if it wasn't for their tireless efforts to preach their stupidity and attempt to make it status quo. I'm saying this as someone who is more like a "tradwife" than a strong and leaderlike independent woman. The beauty of humanity is our diversity. The downfall of it is that we can not appreciate it, then we become divided.

[@mekareactsandreviews3026]

I Love that the black girl actually talked about the oppression of women and girls overseas...This is the part of feminism I can get behind.

[@ashleyb216]

Yes! Too bad she’s equating what they experience over there to here and ironically downplaying western ideals. It’s because of western ideals we’re not doing to women what’s being done in eastern cultures. She’s smart and articulate, but also confused.

[@mekareactsandreviews3026]

@@ashleyb216 She wasn't equating at all ..she was saying the ideology that the Tradwives are pushing in some ways is the same ideology that is oppressing women and girls overseas and she's not wrong...but she was in no way saying women in the West experience the same level of oppression...I think maybe ur the one confused...cause I think she made herself very clear .. even though she used the word patriarchy way too much for my liking...but she was my fav on the whole panel.

[@lizziedanse8335]

​@@ashleyb216 because black and brown women certainly aren't facing the same kind of oppression? You're arguing degrees.

[@NoMoreDemoncrats]

Ironic feminists cry about traditional conservative wives in America yet will happily accept being a sex slave with their daughter somewhere in the Middle East, liberals are such a weird creature 🤔

[@xenia_maria]

watching this as a lesbian is so fascinating lol

[@NoraaRay]

Fr

[@tanyathakur77]

it is lol

[@Baddieirl]

Please share your thoughts lol I’m intrigued! Def “outside looking in” feels I imagine; I was iding as femmasc/bi my whole life up until, 5 or so years ago.

[@TyroneBackyardiagains]

True

[@nina2878]

Was looking for this comment loll

[@kumaranvij]

I hate the phrase "men are stronger." There are all sorts of ways of defining the word "strength." Men are BRAWNIER. I find this word brawn really encapsulates the type of strength that men have "over" women. Women are not mentally weaker in any way, weaker in defending from disease - in fact, we can go longer without food and water, which is a strength. Etc., etc. It's complicated, not simple.

[@ashintheeyes2176]

Physical Strenghts.

[@Preciouu]

fr like WHO HAS PERIODS?! yeah I didn't think so.

[@kumaranvij]

@ Nah, not specific enough. Lots of things are physical. Women can bear as much pain as men, for as long. I don't think we can run fast for as long as men can, but we can run long-distance as long as men. Women can bear physical burdens as long as men, walk as long as men...lots of similar things. What do you have against "brawn"?

[@yasminalicia1636]

Oh I love this point

[@chrisallum9044]

@@ashintheeyes2176 we have a word for that "strong"

[@PandaPunch]

"Shame is bad . . . don't talk about trans because I'm going to shame you."

[@Marksman3434]

The tradwives seem to also be hardcore Christians, which aren’t the only type of religious leaning. Kinda wish they’d include tradwives of other religious and political leaning. Then again, it’s almost kind of a requirement to be religious if they’re gonna be submissive partners so no surprise there

[@selfridgesforever4399]

I agree. Should've had other religions included to make it a more interesting debate.

[@Dissarae2469]

@@selfridgesforever4399 This. I feel like muslims would've been more reasonable.

[@iamalorasoof3467]

Didnt Muhammad have concubines?(Sex slaves?) And married a child 3 years before she reached puberty​@@Dissarae2469

[@stopdragginaround]

This is the point of Jubilee though, they bring in the most extreme version of the negative side for clicks. A non-religious stay at home wife doesn't have as extreme notions as a religious one.

[@suzumi111]

@@Dissarae2469no they wouldn’t have because their doctrine is 100x stricter than christianity their husbands are allowed to discipline them…. and trust me i know muslims personally they would be on the christian’s side even more radical in fact

[@k.elizabethreid3020]

I wish they had found some Christian feminists and some non-religious tradwives. There are many varieties of people on both sides.

[@kristentap8440]

Yes!!

[@jillie-rie]

describing tradwives in 2 words: Stockholm syndrome

[@ryuhoshi3419]

Post marriage society for the win

[@seo_yoonjin]

I think your belief is a bit narrow. Of course, some women consider themselves tradwives, are actually being ,oppressed and a victims of Stockholm syndrome, but some women do enjoy their traditional lives due to their own personal beliefs/lifestyle preference and not oppression. There are actually a few of them in this comment section. I think its important to not stereotype a group of people into something that is so inherently bad or assume they have a mental illness or whatnot. That just creates further tension and hatred amongst groups-not allowing middle ground. Just like how people stereotype feminists as radical people who want to overthrow the family. (By the way, I'm a feminist and a liberal) I strongly believe in women's freedom of choice, but that also includes if a woman wants to be a tradwife. Sorry if I took your comment too deeply-I just think mutual kindness and open-mindedness is important.

[@jillie-rie]

@seo_yoonjin i said what i said and i meant it. there’s a huge difference between women that enjoy a traditional marriage/family dynamic and this wave of women referring to themselves as “tradwives”. every “tradwife” i have encountered doesn’t just enjoy a traditional marriage but spews patriarchal, sexist, and white supremacist rhetoric. the types of relationships they describe are abusive and they don’t even realize it. or they do realize it and want to normalize it so they don’t feel so alone. quite frankly, they are a disgrace to the women that actually lead traditional lives. i will never have an open mind for people that support white supremacist/bigoted rhetoric.

[@Manic_Panic]

We can say the same for feminists but instead of "men" it's corporations. The corpos loved feminism because it doubled the work force and allowed them to lower wages, making life much harder for families.

[@emmagillette6249]

I know two women who were not able to deliver their babies early when they had life threatening conditions because the doctors were afraid that if the baby died during delivery that they would be prosecuted for performing an abortion. This is why there shouldn't be blanket bans- doctors need to be able to give care without fear.

[@RaeganGarcia-e2b]

So what ended up happening to these women?

[@emmagillette6249]

@RaeganGarcia-e2b one had to be out on life support and waited for the doctors to consult with lawyers over the course of days to a week. They other had to shop for a new doctor who would provide the care whilst in the midst of a deadly medical crisis.

[@RaeganGarcia-e2b]

@@emmagillette6249 what happened to their babies?

[@officialchristine]

Jazmen is sooo well spoken and kept calm despite cultlike accusations and comments

[@Realninjagamer28]

she a onlyfan 304 she lives life on easy mode who cares on what she says.

[@T1000-y9h]

Opinion rejected.

[@quackquack9022]

@@T1000-y9h thanks for the intelligent input.

[@NoCapJustFaxts]

​@@Realninjagamer28bro literally 😂. They are glossing over this. Ask these women if they would rather their daughter be a trad or a Jazmen on onlyfans😂

[@Hhahaa162]

Swrs. People's talking about her her being on onlyfans from her last video I found out she is a lawyer and I loved the way she speaks. Hopefully they bring her on her.

[@agrqzi5808]

Bro they sound so culty

[@Fnanaanf]

Because they are

[@DojoofGain]

@@Fnanaanf who the feminist?

[@slavicthule]

Yeah the post-modern feminists are cult-like.

[@agrqzi5808]

Trads ​@@DojoofGain

[@Sleezy5711]

Nah the trads​@@DojoofGain

[@debbiepacheco5609]

So they literally allowed them to change the topic from women being happier post feminism to abortion for that long? Did the mediator go home?

[@katieserra6492]

I agree with most of what Casy says including her views on Contraception and abortion. I share things in common with both sides making this especially compelling to watch.