Should women be silent in the church?

A woman yells out a question out of turn about whether women should be silent in the church. Frank responds (and recommends “The Big Book of Bible Difficulties” by Norman Geisler and Tom Howe). Here is the article by Greg Koukl to which Frank refers: www.str.org/ar...
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[@ethanm.2411]

According to David Guzik: *_"This unfortunate translation (1 Tim. _**_2:11_**_-12) has led some to believe that it is forbidden for women to even speak in church meetings. Paul uses the same word translated_** "silence" **_in 1 Timothy 2:2, and it is translated_** "peaceable" **_there. The idea is without contention instead of total silence._* The word in Greek is ἡσυχία or "hēsyxía" (from hēsyxos, "quiet, stillness") - quietness, implying calm; for the believer, hēsyxía is used of their God-produced calm which includes an inner tranquility that supports appropriate action. This term "does not mean speechlessness, which is more directly indicated by the word sigḗ (J. Thayer). *_In other places in the New Testament, even in the writings of Paul, women are specifically mentioned as praying and speaking in the church (1 Corinthians 11:5). To learn in silence has the idea of women receiving the teaching of the men God has chosen to lead in the church, with submission instead of contention._* _*"Submission is the principle; to learn in silence describes the application of the principle." *_ *_The word for submission here literally means, “To be under in rank.” It has to do with respecting an acknowledged order of authority. It certainly does not mean that men are more spiritual than women or that women are inferior to men._* *_“Anyone who has served in the armed forces knows that ‘rank’ has to do with order and authority, not with value or ability.... Just as an army would be in confusion if there were no levels of authority, so society would be in chaos without submission.” (Wiersbe)_*

[@mohanadbakain282]

Thank you

[@emaxus46]

Wow man. This here is some good stuff. Where'd you learn all if this?

[@ethanm.2411]

@@mohanadbakain282 👍

[@hjc1402]

Ethan M. This is always the way I understood it but I was never able to put it into such great words, can you give the full citations for this? Edit: Never mind I found the enduring word commentary, thanks!

[@ethanm.2411]

@@emaxus46 You can find the selection from Guzik on Blue Letter Bible or Enduring Word. The Greek translation was found in the Lexicon on Biblehub.

[@fernandop1]

Is not in regards to that time only, the New Testament doesn't work that way because in Timothy Paul IS NOT giving a worth passage but a conduct passage that reminds us that THERE IS A PLACE FOR EVERYTHING WE DO. The church is not a market for gossiping, that's all it is

[@kernlove1986]

That's one. Also, they clearly talking about wives chattering, even to their husbands. That's why he said, "let them ask their husbands at home."

[@christopherkidd7977]

Timothy was the leader in the church of Ephesus. Ephesus had a huge following of the Greek Goddess Artemis with a statue (Idol) of her in the city at that time. If you do a study of Artemis and what her followers would believe you can see how this may have started to enter into the church and gives light to the 2 Timothy passage. I think we are obligated to understand the context in which the Epistles are written.

[@stevesmith7843]

@@christopherkidd7977 its also said in corinthians, which perhaps suggests its universal

[@christopherkidd7977]

@@stevesmith7843 The Corinthians text is specific to prophecy, so again Paul is addressing a specific situation. We have to remember that the original writers did not have verses in scripture, they were added later to help navigate the scriptures easier. The problem is when we take verses by themselves and not read the whole text together in the context it was intended.

[@stevesmith7843]

@@christopherkidd7977 i've read the text, from what i recall he says women CAN prophesy in church, but unless they are doing that, they're to be quiet, and keep their heads covered, and not ask any questions until they get home with their husbands, so, no corinthians isn't about prophecy from what i recall and i've read it several times very recently. God bless.

[@spreadingthelightofchristj9081]

Frank has such a good sense of humour.😁

[@BlessedOne686]

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@namaluj_mi_niebo]

it wasn't funny at all.

[@777TRUTHSPOKEN]

0:06 Q: "On the topic of women as property, in the bible" A: "Where is that in the bible?" Q: "In the old testament" A: "Where?" Q: "Im not sure" ..... W yells out: "What about Timothy chapter 2" A: "Does it say women are property in Timothy chapter 2?" W: "No. It says let your women be silent in church" ..... Where is Q and W going with this? ---> Obviously neither women nor men are property, unless born again; wherein one is purchased at a price, by the blood of Jesus Christ.

[@AtamMardes]

The religion scam loves gullible fools like you. No offense.

[@StefanReBorn]

@@AtamMardes the evilution scam loves fools like you, no offens.. who love there sin, sleeping around and so on.. ( no God, no rules, only animals by chance...) 😘❤

[@AtamMardes]

@G Will LOL. You mean getting pwned by your fairy tales like: talking snake/donkey, demon pigs, 900 yrs old man, virgin birth, walking on water, resurrection, flying chariots of fire, Noah's Ark, curses, and levitation into clouds? LOL

[@AtamMardes]

@@StefanReBorn The Bible was written by hypocrite sexist delusional folks. The same Bible that teaches "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", also instructs woman to be quiet, and teaches how to buy slaves, enslave children, beat the slaves, pass slaves on to next generation as permanent inheritance, and not treat relatives they way slaves are treated.

[@MartTLS]

Stefan maaktnietuit So are you saying that evolution hasn’t occurred? Then why aren’t we all clones ? And why are you conflating evolution with atheism when most Christians accept it to be true ? The only fool here is you .

[@thenoseplays2488]

I find it ironic that based on my knowledge of the context of 1 Tim Chap 2 ... Which is not extensive or infallible mind you ... This young lady exhibits the exact behavior that Paul is condemning. According to the context Paul is writing to the church in Ephesus, which was having an issue where during organized Congregational meetings (Church) where the elders where teaching the scripture and the gospel ... Many women were interrupting the message loudly sometimes asking for clarification and other times providing contradictory messages from their previous belief systems, as Ephesus was home to the famous temple of Diana/Artimis and had some very different traditions and teachings to Christianity. Now, his joke on the matter is interesting, because this setting does not necessarily warrent the response in earnest (hence it being a joke), but in some ways it does. If you are in a classroom at University and the professor is teaching, there is an expectation of quiet, submissive, nature that allows them to teach. There are specific times where interactions are permitted and other times where they are not. This isn't just for women but men also. The same nature is required in the teaching of the Church. Disruptive interrupting is not to be tolerated, and that is the major point of the verse in my understanding. The irony here is that this young man and the "professor" teaching are clearly INTERRUPTED by the young lady. She thought she was being helpful but the interruption actually only confused the issue they were discussing. There was a proper way for her to discuss her point, which was to wait for the next question and bring up TIM chapter 2. Instead she butts into the conversation hijacks the discussion from one of women being property to one of women being quiet during instruction, and does so in a way that I at least imagine was very much similar to what was happening in Ephesus.

[@attav8]

You ok?

[@brianrozgodfrey2830]

Yep

[@josephwheeler2672]

Interesting interpretation of that passage (and assessment of the situation). “A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-14‬ ‭NASB‬‬ So in this passage, I’ve heard before that it was a cultural context from which Paul was instructing, and thus not applicable to all churches, especially not churches in modern times. But, why then does he draw on the first man and woman for his reference and reasoning for the instruction? It seems to be more logical for him to draw on a certain cultural situation like the one that you mentioned. Instead he goes all the way back to the very beginning, before any culture was created. It seems like he is saying that this particular instruction transcends culture and is deeply rooted in the human condition, therefore the hierarchical structure of men and women in the church is meant to be universally accepted, from my understanding.

[@BlessedBeJESUSCHRIST]

Philo of Eruditia I will say this you have to believe something whether scholar say this is not valid how do you genesis account is valid. Who is your arbiter of what truth is? Your own opinion? If you do not believe the entire Bible is inspired and god was not capable of keeping his word true, then we have some real issues to get around. I’m of the idea we have to take the entire kjv bible as the word of god. If Lucifer or man was able to corrupt gods word then we honestly have no way to know god, because we can never be sure any of it wasn’t doctored

[@BlessedBeJESUSCHRIST]

Philo of Eruditia “Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬ This is why I believe it to be true, this man what chosen by god to give Christ truth to the gentiles which is us. Now before that passage about woman in the church he says this. This is quite a claim and if it’s not true, then anything Paul has said is a lie, as he is speaking as a prophet would on gods behalf so we may know the truth

[@bradleyhite3476]

I always understood it as a period thing. Back in those times most women didn’t even have an education or a job/income; so why would you let women make the decisions of what to do with the money and vote people in or out of church office. It’s the same reason most churches don’t let children or non members vote on things in church today.

[@nahj1don706]

Smh.... The things u guys spew... When last have u read ur bible?

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Yeah it makes practical common sense why women weren't allowed.

[@4ucmikey]

1 Timothy 2:12-15 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

[@4ucmikey]

1 Cor 14:33 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.

[@4ucmikey]

@paulsan2112 Sons of God have gotten in trouble for chasing woman.

[@GuitarZombie]

It is about order

[@electricspark5271]

Sounds like they didn't want man hating *femenists* running amuck in the church....

[@stevenshauf4406]

The first thing to keep in mind is this is a directive of Paul, not Jesus, to handle a cultural issue within churches inside Paul’s ministry. It’s not a blanket command for all time. It’s about dealing with a specific issue of the day.

[@ProductBasement]

Also, prescribing different roles for men and women is not even remotely calling women property. I don't think that was a command for just that time, because further down, Paul goes on to explain his reasoning: Eve was decieved by the serpent, not Adam (Adam wasn't deceived, he was just passive and apathetic). The fact that Eve was deceived is not something that changes with culture

[@petermichael8921]

Red flags go up when I hear anyone refer to the New Testament as having "relative commands". Madness. Should we not consider the example of the early church as our ultimate guide? If your personal perspective and culture finds something in the New Testament as outlandish, awkward or strange, it is you that needs adjustment. God does not shift. Humans shift and slide constantly. Follow the standard.

[@Dbulkss]

Peter Michael well said!!

[@JDrocks4ever]

Well in that case, let me purchase my slave. And he must obey me as his master

[@petermichael8921]

@@JDrocks4ever if you are following the central tenet of "loving others as you love yourself" , I'm assuming you would be buying and immediately freeing any slave.

[@grimlund]

Yeah. Why let women do and say what they want? Why did we even allowed them to vote? Lets turn back time 2000 years. Everything was better back then when people believed that the Earth was flat.

[@petermichael8921]

@@grimlund They are free to do what they want. We are all free to listen to or reject the Bible. I believe the author will remain unconcerned whether or not the masses find it fashionable.

[@mikeramos91]

In my church the woman don’t preach. If they do, it will be an only woman’s class. Other than that, the woman would just come up & give announcements/testimony.

[@tinupeter]

@Holy Kafir Sign of the end times, people having itching ears

[@YhwhKhaiMostHigh]

@Holy Kafir AMEN!

[@nahj1don706]

@Holy Kafir there was NO FEMALE APOSTLE....SMH...the only apostles God elected were those on the day of Pentecost...

[@chapter404th]

They were helpers of the church but not pastors. The Bible is clear.

[@chapter404th]

It’s not on my “interpretation “, it’s what the Bible clearly says, and it’s not just something that’s in the New Testament it can be found in the old. Women are to submit to men because they are the authority. Does that mean take advantage of them? May it never be! But that’s the way God created us to be, especially after the fall in Genesis. If their “call” or vision is contradictory to the Bible then yes it’s false. I’m not saying they can’t be missionaries are evangelicals, only under the authority of a man of God. Be blessed ❤️

[@samuelhunter4631]

Honestly I just love hearing Frank answer questions like this

[@emiliouchila]

Samuel Hunter he didn’t, he tap danced around it and dismissed it with “back then”

[@samuelhunter4631]

@@emiliouchila You were expecting a different answer?

[@emiliouchila]

Samuel Hunter and honestly answer, yes.

[@henryfrancis9533]

Well, you did a gymnastics. It seems, he scared of secular ridicule.

[@keneorakwute2521]

No matter how you try to twist those verses, the truth will continue to stick out: women should not teach or preach in the church. If it makes you angry blame the Bible not me.

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

Funny God made Miriam a Priestess, I guess someone forgot to tell Him.

[@earnestlycontendingforthef5332]

@@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670********* You ladies please bear in mind, on your coming Judgment Day you will be judged on your willingness and obedience to the Divinely endorsed Scripture teachings and instructions that follow. Now, regarding the false teaching for the emancipation of women in the Christian fraternity. Such 21st-century contrived beliefs are in contravention and defiance of the Lord's command for women to remain silent in the church assemblies. "As [is the practice] in all the churches of the saints (God's people), 34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. 35 But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [ for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church]. 36 What! Did the word of the Lord originate with you [Corinthians], or has it reached only you? 37 If anyone thinks and claims that he is a prophet [filled with and governed by the Holy Spirit of God and inspired to interpret the divine will and purpose in preaching or teaching] or has any other spiritual endowment, let him understand (recognize and acknowledge) that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord**. 38 But if anyone disregards or does not recognize [ that it is a command of the Lord], he is disregarded and not recognized [he is one whom God knows not]. 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (AMPLIFIED ,BIBLE) Thus if any insist on disregarding the Lord's command for a woman's silence they have become "One whom God knows not" Which is a most undignified and ungodly position any man or woman could possibly find themselves. For even St. Paul's instruction makes it quite plain that women are forbidden to teach men and must not usurp their God given authority. "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Timothy 2:10-14 (KJV) As for wives and their Divinely appointed permanent position in regards to their husbands. "22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. "Ephesians 5:22-24 (KJV) Thus complete obedience "in everything" to husbands, just as the church is called to be completely obedient to the laws and instructions of Christ and his personally ordained Apostles. Now from St. Peter: "You married women, be submissive to your own husbands [subordinate yourselves as being secondary to and dependent on them, and adapt yourselves to them], so that even if any do not obey the Word [of God], they may be won over not by discussion but by the [godly] lives of their wives, 2 When they observe the pure and modest way in which you conduct yourselves, together with your reverence [for your husband; you are to feel for him all that reverence includes: to respect, defer to, revere him-to honor, esteem, appreciate, prize, and, in the human sense, to adore him, that is, to admire, praise, be devoted to, deeply love, and enjoy your husband]." 1 Peter 3:1-2 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) And St. Peter again: "5 For it was thus that the pious women of old who hoped in God were [accustomed] to beautify themselves and were submissive to their husbands [adapting themselves to them as themselves secondary and dependent upon them]. 6 It was thus that Sarah obeyed Abraham [following his guidance and acknowledging his headship over her by] calling him lord (master, leader, authority). And you are now her true daughters if you do right and let nothing terrify you [not giving way to hysterical fears or letting anxieties unnerve you]." 1 Peter 3:5-6 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) Those wives who refuse to comply are not the true "Daughters of Sarah" but counterfeits who are trying to subvert other women into disobeying Christ's personally ordained Apostles, and their unchanging instructions for the true and faithful Daughters of Almighty God. For the Lord Christ has stated....By their fruits shall you know them".

[@ajinator4]

@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 This is the correct teaching. Thank you.

[@kianjesse6067]

So just don’t talk/be disruptive during church. Simple

[@JamesRichardWiley]

People talk in church because church is so boring and Jesus never appears. What if Jesus appeared?

[@chapter404th]

“To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16 The Bible is clear on this from the beginning. You see the relationship between the patriarchs and characters in the Bible reflect this, this isn’t something new. It is biologically and scientifically proven a woman is going to stick with a masculine man. The most masculine man you can find is one who is a true born again believer, and follows the Bible’s teaching (new covenant).

[@combat-coz]

Great answer. Just because our way of living changes in society, doesn't mean it's the right way. Clearly, we have family issues as a whole.

[@mgsgamer8340]

Animals who get to just poop out a baby: 🤡🤡🤡

[@dorgonreborn4108]

The passage is actually reasonably clear when you apply logic, a man and a woman are very different even though we are both human. A man has the authoritative will where a woman has a less authoritative and emotional will. This stems back to Adam and Eve = which of the two was deceived by the serpent? It was Eve having not seen God’s power on the level that Adam did she didn’t fear God in the same way therefore was left open to this beguiling. All to often we see a woman preaching broken doctrine more often than not in these new age churches, now that doesn’t mean she can’t teach someone or have fellowship outside of church... if she wants to do a study group that’s fine but the bible isn’t subject to opinions, it’s authoritative and clear. We ought not lean on our own understanding or bring our feelings and emotions into the church we just follow what the bible says because it’s the word of God. If it says a woman should be silent in church = they shouldn’t preach or speak out then it’s leaning on God’s understanding to do so. We all know where feminism has lead us in society and I won’t lie it’s just as much men’s fault that we are where we are today. It’s not just a woman wanting more respect but it’s lack of that respect in the first place not given by men that they are speaking up about the honour we fail to present. It’s a two way street but again we are to lean on God’s Word and not our own understanding or emotions. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom .... pretty sure the wisest man that ever lived said that 😉 so fear God my fellow humans and LISTEN to the bible even when you may have conflict against it. I’m not sexist and this is not my opinion it’s God’s Word 💯

[@dorgonreborn4108]

Cyrus Dabar thank you 😉

[@dorgonreborn4108]

Matt Smith oh really? How so? You do realize that the study of genetics literally leads back to a small group of people ... could literally be 2 people... so how could you logically claim it to be “horseshit”? 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️ what do you assume happened? Did 100 humans evolve all at once? Did 20? Did 1000?? (Even the math behind 10 is illogical to say the least🤣) common big man let’s hear it what’s your theory or what do you place faith in? Remember you have to believe that something happened long ago so you will inevitably place faith in A STORY so which is it?

[@dorgonreborn4108]

Philo of Eruditia so if there’s very good evidence for the happenings that came later why would it be so easy to denounce the original ? 😂 it still takes a lot more faith to believe a dot of nothing exploded and created everything🤷🏻‍♂️😉 go watch the discoveries of Ron Wyatt and relax a bit Lol

[@todbeard8118]

@@dorgonreborn4108 I guess you take the talking snake for history as well..What about Balaam's talking donkey? You didn't fall for that one did you?

[@dorgonreborn4108]

Philo of Eruditia Do you look at a painting or a building or a computer and assume they were never designed? Yet these things don’t even compare to the complexity of a working cell.... it’s illogical to say “we don’t know” if there was a designer. The design demands a designer especially when you start dragging the observable laws of the universe into it =math and logic=both laws hahaha they arent subjective and at that point I would try to show you your own ignorance to logic or mathematics... I will never have enough faith to say there couldn’t be a God my question is why do you cringe at the idea of God existing? Can you answer honestly?

[@hwd7]

This should apply to everyone during the sermon.

[@samuelsarbah3050]

The question is what kind of silence? In Christ Jesus there's no slave or free, Jew or gentile, no female or male We're a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation Read Joel 2v28 Why are there prophetesses in the bible?

[@SavedByFaithInJesus]

Sent this video to my wife... Now she won't shut up!!! Thanks!

[@Seemssoulsold]

bro?😂 you okay ?

[@SavedByFaithInJesus]

@@Seemssoulsold still alive.

[@steveparks2976]

That's pretty funny. I love the oooohs in there when he jokes. Geez people. Lighten up. Lol 😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@truthbaxter9689]

Many a true word said in jest.

[@LennyHorowitz17364]

Men and women are equal in the sense that we are both human. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - Galatians 3:28 Just like Jesus and the Father are equal in terms of being God. But Jesus and the Father and malea and females have different properties and roles. Just like water has different properties and roles from ice, and a boss has different properties and roles from an employee. The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. - 1 Corinthians 14:34-37 This is not a cultural command. It applies to the Church today. Nothing is new under the sun. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. - 1 Timothy 2:12-14 This isn't talking about women teaching boys how tie their shoes. This is talking about spiritual teaching to men. It also still applies

[@westandpreachandteachGodsWord]

The 1st verse you quoted in Galatians is a verse from God on racist... And no men and woman are not equal as the devil is pushing that agenda... A woman is mentally and physically weaker then a man if it wasn't obvious... Man was made in His Image not the other way around... Who taught you this lie? 1 Corinthians 11:3-9 King James Version (KJV) 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

[@MartTLS]

We Preach The Word of God For Them That Are Lost Neither were created that’s a fairytale.

[@LennyHorowitz17364]

@@westandpreachandteachGodsWord Men and women are equal in that we are both humans. We have different roles. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - Galatians 3:28 NASB

[@westandpreachandteachGodsWord]

@@LennyHorowitz17364 Again that verse is God addressing racism and never use anything other then the KJV or people won't take you seriously because all the new translations of the Bible was written from the King James Version even the New King James Version... God says we are not equal as man and woman but you say so? I'll go with God you should too... 1 Peter 3:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel

[@LennyHorowitz17364]

@@westandpreachandteachGodsWord In the same way, The Father is greater than the Son, at least while Jesus was on earth, and the Father directs the Holy Spirit. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful. You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. - John 14:26-28 NASB But, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all equal in the sense that they are God. They have different roles (employer/employee) For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. - John 5:18 NASB

[@evangelist6277]

Everyone should be silent in church. Women are emotive and it is reflected in their views and opinions, unfortunately emotions are not good for doctrine and often cloud logic and reason so yes women should be silent in church.

[@ADMusic1999]

That's a stereotype. All women aren't like that. And why is it wrong to speak in church? Church is a place of learning and you wouldn't tell children not to ask questions in school. So why tell people not to talk in church?

[@BokaLokaToka]

@@ADMusic1999 Women are more emotional. Men are emotional too but nowhere near the level of women in general. Many are easily offended and have no control.

[@electricspark5271]

@@ADMusic1999 Do you often speak over other people while they are speaking publicly? That's rude...

[@DanielKolbin]

Women SHOULD be silent. 2 Timothy 2:12 btw Not all are bad but they are even starting to have too much rights even messing and interfering with the government! They cry and throw fits when they get upset or not what they want or who knows what. -definitly not a nancy reference-

[@Matthew24.4]

Music by A.D / women are to remain silent because that’s what God commands. We have free will so we can obey God or follow man our own will. God knows what best so I try to obey God. Woman are forbidden to speak in my church and they are fine with it and they are treated with great respect by the men. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (KJV) 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

[@gelatinpowder1137]

To my fellow *ladies* I ask y’all. Passages in the Bible have said demeaning stuff (1 Tim. 2:11-14, I Corinthians 11:3-15, Colossians 3:18, etc) about people like us, mandating us to submit this submit that. How the hell do you stay Christian after those passages? Cuz I wanna stay Christian but I’m struggling.

[@__.Sara.__]

Look up Craig Keener and N.T. Wright on this subject. 😊

[@BonazaiGirl]

If you find out why, please let me know too because I’m in the same boat and am deeply struggling to maintain faith myself.

[@gelatinpowder1137]

@@BonazaiGirl Still struggling, still haven’t got my answer. Every woman around me isn’t aware that those verses existed or shrug them off, but I can’t. I still go to church every Sunday with my family but my relationship with God has been strained because of this. Religious fundamentalists on social media encouraging legalism towards women don’t help either.

[@gelatinpowder1137]

@@__.Sara.__ summary pls?

[@electricspark5271]

Ever heard that lady in church who just won't stop *WHISPERING* to her friend while your trying to listen to the pastor.... Yeah lady *SSSSHHHHH!!!* 2020: don't *sssshhhh* me I'm a wahman, I has RAGHTS!? Me: you also have no husband...

[@jonathanbuckner3372]

Electric Spark 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂 LITERALLY!!!!

[@Matthew24.4]

A wife is the husbands property, that’s clearly spelled out in the bible. She is to obey him unless it would break Gods law. If she disobeys him she is breaking Gods law. The husband must love his wife and be willing to give himself for her like Jesus did for the church (Ephesians 5). If he doesn’t he is breaking Gods law and his laws are perfect. A husband cannot take advantage of this position, if he does he will answer to God. Women are to be silent in church but they can sing. That’s how my church operates as it’s biblical. 1 Corinthians 14 and 2 Timothy 2. Before, after and outside of church a woman can speak to whoever she wants to, but if she’s married and her husband tells her not to speak to someone she must obey her husband.That’s 100% biblical and in context and if anyone doesn’t like it take it up with God.

[@AvinoMalkeno]

No you see.. This is making them real property right there...

[@CrazyDeeDee]

@paulsan2112 pretty sure he said that a woman can speak to anyone she wants outside the church. Not that she can't.

[@BlessedBeJESUSCHRIST]

paulsan2112 the main point of the issue is, woman are to obey their husbands in all things. That means literally anything that doesn’t go against the word of god. So if he asks her to have a 3 way or steal thieve, anything like that she can and should say no. If he tells her to make food, or do something she is to obey the husband that is her role. Now you cannot force your wife to do anything, if she will not obey, you don’t beat her, hurt her, Be little her, you love her and pray for her. Allow god to chasten her so she will fall in line with the word.

[@syborg71]

This is a wrong answer.. women are not to teach or disrupt the service .. men are to lead, women (and men) are to learn.. but God does not allow women to teach in church gatherings or to have authority over a man.. period, as the Anericans say or Full Stop as us English would say.. the law instructs Christian women are to be in submission to their husbands, leaders of the church are men.. overseers are men.. the teachers are men.. 1 Cor 14 with 1 Tim 2 deals with this VERY WELL.

[@jesusistheanswer2074]

That didn't help much I wish he had addressed it biblically but I will check out the book thanks anyways. Some may laugh at this question but for others it's a real concern I wish we didn't always get that same response from men of joking around when we are supposed to look up to them as leaders. God Bless

[@jakobsalvador2489]

Jesus is the answer it was obviously a joke so chill, and he said he didn’t read up on it so why would he try to make himself look like he knows everything he’s a human too.

[@Matthew24.4]

Women are to be silent in church but they can sing. That’s how my church operates as it’s biblical. 1 Corinthians 14 and 2 Timothy 2. Before, after and outside of church a woman can speak to whoever she wants to, but if she’s married and her husband tells her not to speak to someone she must obey her husband in all instances unless it would be against Gods law to do so. That’s 100% biblical and if anyone doesn’t like it take it up with God.

[@davidsotomayor8713]

Came to the conclusion a long time ago that IF there is a heaven I want nothing to do with it. A murderer/rapist/pedophile can get in so long as "they're sorry" but some amazing person that did nothing but help people their entire life burns in hell because they are an atheist or gay or believe in some other religion? No thank you!!!

[@paulkay6017]

It's important to understand the context of the scriptures before taking it out of context.

[@BokaLokaToka]

So true

[@ryantfinchum]

I just found my next t-shirt slogan! Thanks!

[@170221dn]

Paul Kay Yes read all the study guides that show how you can change what the bible clearly says and argue it is instead in line with secular society from where you steal your morals

[@maow9240]

@@170221dn how does Christianity steal morals from secular society?

[@170221dn]

willie Christians decide what morals they want usually to fit in with society. They then “interpret” the bible or change what is written because of “context” or whatever method they want to pick and choose what they believe. This is abundantly clear because of the FACT that no two Christians agree on what the bible says hence all the sects of Christianity. They all make up what they want based on the delusion in their head. This is what we see. If there was one god with one set of morals we wouldn’t see it.

[@AvinoMalkeno]

1 Corinthians 14:34 (KJV) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. As also saith the LAW... The law of moses and the bible will link you back to adam and eve and how eve deceived adam. Women should obey GOD and accept it... And if they want to rebel these DAYS(as we are living in the END DAYS) let them be.. tell them the truth!!!!! But you men or pastors that trying to sugar coat and try to say its not universal which IT IS!!!! Thats terrible from your side and you are busy telling false information so you can make people loves you and come to your church. good women obeys God. Christ is the mans head And the man is woman's head Just like Christ and the Church

[@MeanOldLady]

Yeah, pretty much - just as men are to submit to God as well. There are ranks of authority & she can appeal higher if her husband's not doing his part. She can go to God directly & he WILL deal with the husband in his own way unless he needs to humble her first.

[@ilsev6511]

@@MeanOldLady 👏 You are 100% right!

[@skhrm91]

Nbaini B-ini I agree 100%. I was raised in the same type of church. First Baptist Church of Downtown Jacksonville when pastor Homer G. Lindsay Jr. And Dr. Jerry Vines Were the pastors. You can look both of them up. they were strict conservative teachers of the Bible. No women ever preached at our church. All the deacons were men. Only men lead in prayer. Only women lead other groups of women in leadership roles. This is not to hold women down or to subjugate them. This is their role per Gods instructions. There are several reasons for this I can think of , men by design are more powerful, they are meant to lead. Call me old fashioned but this world would be much better off with women out of the work force and at home raising their children. Sorry but men hate and should not have to look up to a woman in the workforce. And women should have never been allowed to vote. Even Ann Coulter agrees to that. Women vote based on emotion rather than thought. Hence the reasons we got Clinton and Obama.

[@westandpreachandteachGodsWord]

@@MeanOldLady We submit to Jesus Christ while your suppose to submit to the man in everything... A lot of prideful women like yourself on the way to hell because they chose to disobey God and His Word... Foolish women now of days... 1 Corinthians 11:3-9 King James Version (KJV) 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. King James Version (KJV)

[@AvinoMalkeno]

My brothers and sisters in Christ just let us all be ready for the second coming of our Lord Jesus.. Or ready if God called us today suddenly. Sisters please watch how only in the last 100 years women started to rebel and especially in America and parts of Europe.. You can see their dress evolution and how women's dress dramatically changed from modest to almost nudity in the last 100 years just look it up and now you can't tell who's man and who's the woman any more they wear the same thing.. Followed with so much gender confusions and all that because women are so busy wanna be like a man... While the bible for example tells us clearly in Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. And now what? The woman wear like a man and the man wear like.... Its so sad brothers and sister that the world netting and sewing for us clothes and we wear them... Without a question.. Sad.. They started targeting women in the last 100 years but now and in the last 30 years or even less. satan is targeting men!!! with all them skinny jeans and tight jeans and a shoe with no socks and funky haircuts.. yes the men brothers and sisters....... Ripped jeans and so on.. Brother capnumericka... If you think that anyone will call you old fashioned don't worry im very sure they are calling me that too. But its the truth.. The truth doesn't make you old fashioned it makes you real.. But lets focus on the Lord because sometimes we can get caught up with these things so much to the point we are not watching what is satan cooking for us too.. Im talking from experience.. But anyway about all of what i have just said.... Makes the words of our Lord Jesus comes to pass when He said: "and just like it was in Noah's days thats how it will be in the last days and in the second coming of our Lord Jesus"

[@stickman2012]

And tell me, anyone who isn't a Christian, how if a husband is supposed to treat his wife like Christ treated the Church, meaning died for them on a Cross, how this is mistreatment or whatever.

[@sgorgardr227]

It just not, it's insanity. What they do is nittpicking, but problem is in: 1. their culture (today's time with "equality"), 2. their own view on this, wich is presumed to be correct and never actually critiqued and attacked. Since when their position is alredy right and others just have to justify themselves in front of them? Everyone is right in their own eyes, i don't think they are correct - why should i, where is the arguement?

[@dja-bomb6397]

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.” Exodus 20:17 The wife falls in the same category of possessions as animals and servants. Of course women are seen as property in the Bible.

[@mosesking2923]

I see nothing wrong with that. Women are the weaker ones and therefore the husbands have authority over them. This is purely evident in nature.

[@dja-bomb6397]

@@mosesking2923 Does superiority because of physical strength give anyone the right to own another human being? Furthermore, Should any person be expected to relinquish their personal autonomy because they are weaker?

[@dja-bomb6397]

@True Colors does this mean co-equal?

[@mosesking2923]

@@dja-bomb6397 Of course. Slavery is natural and has always existed. Therefore, I see no problem with it. It's basic darwinism. The strong rule over the weak.

[@dja-bomb6397]

😳

[@puzatube4119]

I believe it's rather obvious what Paul meant. Men are the spiritual leaders. It seems like this teaching, as well as head coverings for women, are extremely overlooked and seemingly avoided by modern Christians. So much so, to the point where people will go out of their way to find excuse as to not follow them. It's like the Church is trying to conform to the worlds view of what is right.

[@TheLightShines]

I thought head coverings had to do with the culture at the time

[@earnestlycontendingforthef5332]

These ladies must bear in mind, on your coming Judgment Day you will be judged on your willingness and obedience to the Divinely endorsed Scripture teachings and instructions that follow. Now, regarding the false teaching for the emancipation of women in the Christian fraternity. Such 21st-century contrived beliefs are in contravention and defiance of the Lord's command for women to remain silent in the church assemblies. "As [is the practice] in all the churches of the saints (God's people), 34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says. 35 But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [ for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church]. 36 What! Did the word of the Lord originate with you [Corinthians], or has it reached only you? 37 If anyone thinks and claims that he is a prophet [filled with and governed by the Holy Spirit of God and inspired to interpret the divine will and purpose in preaching or teaching] or has any other spiritual endowment, let him understand (recognize and acknowledge) that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord**. 38 But if anyone disregards or does not recognize [ that it is a command of the Lord], he is disregarded and not recognized [he is one whom God knows not]. 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (AMPLIFIED ,BIBLE) Thus if any insist on disregarding the Lord's command for a woman's silence they have become "One whom God knows not" Which is a most undignified and ungodly position any man or woman could possibly find themselves. For even St. Paul's instruction makes it quite plain that women are forbidden to teach men and must not usurp their God given authority. "11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Timothy 2:10-14 (KJV) As for wives and their Divinely appointed permanent position in regards to their husbands. "22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. "Ephesians 5:22-24 (KJV) Thus complete obedience "in everything" to husbands, just as the church is called to be completely obedient to the laws and instructions of Christ and his personally ordained Apostles. Now from St. Peter: "You married women, be submissive to your own husbands [subordinate yourselves as being secondary to and dependent on them, and adapt yourselves to them], so that even if any do not obey the Word [of God], they may be won over not by discussion but by the [godly] lives of their wives, 2 When they observe the pure and modest way in which you conduct yourselves, together with your reverence [for your husband; you are to feel for him all that reverence includes: to respect, defer to, revere him-to honor, esteem, appreciate, prize, and, in the human sense, to adore him, that is, to admire, praise, be devoted to, deeply love, and enjoy your husband]." 1 Peter 3:1-2 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) And St. Peter again: "5 For it was thus that the pious women of old who hoped in God were [accustomed] to beautify themselves and were submissive to their husbands [adapting themselves to them as themselves secondary and dependent upon them]. 6 It was thus that Sarah obeyed Abraham [following his guidance and acknowledging his headship over her by] calling him lord (master, leader, authority). And you are now her true daughters if you do right and let nothing terrify you [not giving way to hysterical fears or letting anxieties unnerve you]." 1 Peter 3:5-6 (AMPLIFIED BIBLE) Those wives who refuse to comply are not the true "Daughters of Sarah" but counterfeits who are trying to subvert other women into disobeying Christ's personally ordained Apostles, and their unchanging instructions for the true and faithful Daughters of Almighty God. For the Lord Christ has stated....By their fruits shall you know them".

[@jvlp2046]

We should not add our own interpretation of St. Paul's Epistle to the Corinthians (1 Corin, 14:34)... St. Paul did not give Rules, Agenda, or Pre-qualification for women who can be SILENT in the Church... NONE... All Women who claim to be Christians who love Christ Jesus must abide and obey God's WILL, to be SILENT in the Church, no question ASK... St. Paul who was taken by God in the 3rd Heaven through his Vision, and fully guided by the Holy Spirit will not instruct this restriction for women from his own will or thought... It comes from God... Therefore, any Christian Woman who loves Christ Jesus regardless of whether they are qualified or not to teach, and preach, must/should abide by God's will without any reservation... For example, Catholic Nuns, even though they are all qualified to teach and preach like Priests/Pastors for NUNS have studied the Bible most of their lives in the convent, but still abide by God's WILL through St., Paul's Epistle... as a SIGN of their modesty, humbleness, and total submission to the Authority of the Church of God thru Christ Jesus... Amen. Christ Jesus commanded His Apostles/Disciples (All men) to Preach the Gospel and make DISCIPLESHIP of all Nations... Discipleship must/should be done by Men with the Holy Spirit... Christ Jesus did not go to the Christian Women, to Blessed Mary, or Mary Magdalene, and ordered all of them to make DISCIPLESHIP or BAPTIZED... Men were given this TASK by Christ before He ascended back to Heaven... Women should support Men in Preaching and the making of DISCIPLESHIP... Logically speaking, Jacob has 13 Children (12 Sons and 1 Daughter, Dinah)... God chose only the 12 Tribes of Jacob/Israel... Not Dinah's Tribe... likewise, Christ Jesus only chose all Men (12) Apostles, and no women. Take Note: The first True Christian believer was Blessed Mary who found favor from God, with full of grace, and knew more Spiritual matters than any of the 12 Apostles, but who kept SILENT in the Church of God in Christ, to set an example to all Christian women... which was how God wants for Christian women to learn modesty and obedience to God... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen.

[@ScottH1130]

1st Corinthians 14:34. “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Here’s what most people miss by taking this out of context. If you read down just 2 more verses it’s basically a rebuke from Paul. Asking the question does God only give word to men. Of course we know that’s not true. The word preach means to bring good news. Who brought the good news that Jesus was no longer in his tomb? A woman. “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@ScottH1130]

Joshua Postema God placed man to be the head of the household of course. A woman is expected to be a helpmate for the man. But what happens when a man fails to follow after God? Should a woman follow the man that rejects God? The answer is absolutely not. Women just like men have to place God as #1 in their lives. If the man fails to follow God then a woman isn’t expected to follow that man to hell. There’s a real danger when people love their interpretations of doctrine over a relationship with God.

[@ScottH1130]

Joshua Postema I really don’t think the idea of a man not being submissive to God would be an extreme case. Actually I’d say it’s become the norm in today’s world. A marriage is a union where the husband and wife are one. The husband leads the wife, the wife helps. They lean on each other for strength. Jesus told Mary to tell the others. That’s not a play on words to make a point that’s the Gospel and history.

[@toddhefer6084]

God Bless in Jesus Christ Name Amen.

[@ThePattersonPod]

“Cultural contexts” are not rooted in the Garden of Eden. I like quite a bit of your material, but I would have to disagree here.

[@jvlp2046]

Blessed Mary is the "Highest Role Model" for Christian Women and the Mother of Men and Women who love and believe in God (Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit)... Even though she was found "Highly Favored" by God with "Full of Grace" from the Holy Spirit, attested by Angel Gabriel, and all the "Accolades, Attributes and Salutation" she deserved, including "Blessed among Women," in spite of all of these, she still REMAINED silent/quiet with total submission and humility to the Body of Christ (Church of God) until her last breath on Earth... "I am the Hand-made of the Lord God, be it done according to thy WORDS/WILL." (Luke 1:38)... Not our own WILL, but God's WILL be done... (Hands down, non-debatable/non-negotiable). All Glory, Praise and Thanks be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@Deprincer]

Please change the music back. The original theme gave the Cross Examined brand a great distinct identity. The new one is nowhere nearly as memorable or catchy. :(

[@vanDelen]

I miss that groovy music too

[@usselpasoable]

I believe it's literal. A woman's natural tendency is to be emotion based and want to kiss the boo-boos. Just look at where liberal anti-Christian theology usually comes from. 'Oh if Susan says she's transgender and always has been then I must believe her and support her. If Tom says he was born gay who am I to argue. I see it in my own family, the women think that Oprah Winfrey is a role model. A single mother usually ends up with a disaster of a child. God put fathers in charge of the family, including theology.

[@avaalford126]

Ok I agree that men are the head of the household and church but these are a lot of generalizations about women. It seems like you're basing all women on your experiences with women. I'm a girl and I'm not nurturing. Most women are but that doesn't mean we always want to kiss boo boos. I honestly get annoyed when I hear children cry over little things and would tell them to deal with it. I know I'm not typical but these are a lot of stereotypes. Not saying they're not somewhat true but there's a more respectful way to address it. I know men and women are different and men are to be the head of the household in church but you have to understand how that sounds to a woman especially one who isn't like that. Just because I'm not like that now doesn't mean I won't ever be or that I should go against God's order by any means. I'm just giving you a heads up that it sounds a bit sexist from a woman's perspective. Not that I don't agree with the basic principles but I think giving reasons women fall short isn't the way to address it. Anyways, I don't want to cause any problems. God bless!

[@paulrock4816]

neither male nor female, neither Jew nor Gentile; neither bond nor free. We are all one in Christ.

[@justspaceex1589]

the women who are in my church are used by the holy spirit powerfully. So, I don't know what church she goes to, but in my Church 🔥

[@yesorno1768]

Are you sure it’s the Holy Spirit? If they aren’t following scripture.

[@jessicawilliams230]

@@yesorno1768 Can women not be used by the Holy Spirit? Are men only able to access that?

[@kimberlyd7398]

It says nothing about women interrupting, so where does that idea come from?

[@The_Abaddon_69]

It says in the Bible both sons and daughters are encouraged to pray in church. You can talk in church if you’re a women just don’t interrupt the pastor or say things you don’t know about. Same thing with men, the verse is about women who interrupted a teaching. It doesn’t mean that women can’t speak in church at all, that’s just ignorance

[@todbeard8118]

At the end of Genesis 3:16. ... And thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee.

[@todbeard8118]

@G Will Yip, you have a tap dance for every one of them don't you?

[@todbeard8118]

@G Will Not at all. Are you? Your problem is that I can back up everything I say with scripture.

[@todbeard8118]

@G Will After correcting my 'your ' you didn't deserve to be called a name so I deleted it. I'll still challenge you to refute what I said with scripture.

[@todbeard8118]

@G Will If you're honest and you're familiar with the scripture that I paraphrased, you already know what I stated matches the scripture given. And I know these narratives like the back of my hand. What do you have?

[@todbeard8118]

@Phillip Hickman Oh yeah I agree but the female liberals and the LGBT community would curse you.

[@rorywynhoff1549]

If we look at Phil 4:2-3 and Rom 16 we see several women who were fellow laborers in the gospel. Certainly they had to speak in and out of the local churches in order to so labor. It seems to me these two "limiting passages" are written to keep order, not to silence half the church! All are gifted, see 1Cor 12, Eph 4:7 among others.

[@benitaalmond3991]

1 Timothy 2: Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

[@vishalkurien1982]

It would be great if anyone could list the books recommended here by Sir Frank. Thanks in advance.

[@terryglenweaver]

There certainly are exceptions. I do believe most women think with their hearts and men with their minds. I do not consider that one is better, they simply have their place. Yet, there are women who are wise beyond their years and they are exceptional.

[@truepeace3]

Terry Weaver Yes, I would agree. I believe women should be allowed to ask questions and make respectful comments in Sunday School class. But they should never teach men, or hold any position of authority over men: pastor, elder, or deacon.

[@terryglenweaver]

@@truepeace3 To me, men being the leader is merely but a general rule most often correct but not always.

[@jvlp2046]

1 Corin 14:34... is about St. Paul telling the Christians that any "Spiritual/Religious Women who claimed to be Christian should/must learn how to respect SILENT in the Church of God and must not teach over Men about Church matter... This commandment is not from St. Paul but from God for St. Paul is fully guided by the Holy Spirit, what to speak, teach, and write... God has valid reasons that all Christian Women should/must respect God's PREROGATIVE or WILL: 1. God, first created ADAM, in God's Image and Likeness, and from ADAM bone (rib) and flesh, came EVE called Woman which means "Came from Man." (ref.: Genesis 2:7-18) 2. It was ADAM and not EVE, that God commanded to SUBDUE (rule) and give Names to all God's creation, and whatever ADAM named them, so be it... (ref.: Genesis 2:19) 3. It was EVE that was DECEIVED by Satan (Old Serpent in the Garden of Eden) and ADAM was DECEIVED by EVE to disobey God by offering him to eat the forbidden fruit that caused them to LOSE their IMMORTALITY and BONDAGE (TIES) of Relationship to God thru their SIN... (ref.: 1 Timothy 2:14)... For The Wages of SIN is DEATH commonly called the ORIGINAL SIN of Mankind at the Garden of Eden... 4. The Head of Christ Jesus is God, and the Head of every Man is Christ Jesus, while the Head of every Woman is Man... (ref.: 1 Corinthians 11:3-4). 5. Man does not need to cover their head while praying or doing service to the Church of God, but Women must cover their Head with VEIL to hide their hair when praying or doing service to the Church of God as a sign of MODESTY, HONOR to her Husband (if married) and TOTAL SUBMISSION to the Authority of the Church... (Ref. 1 Corinthians 11:5-13) These are some of God's reasons (prerogative/will) dictated by the Holy Spirit in St. Paul's Epistles... Facts and Truth, Biblically speaking... Amen...

[@goodvibezinChrist]

RIP Norman Geisler!

[@jvlp2046]

To whom did Christ Jesus command the duties and responsibilities to PREACH the Gospel and make DISCIPLESHIP?... not to Mary Magdalene, not to Blessed Mary, definitely not to the female followers of Christ... but to His APOSTLES ... St. Paul said, "We (Apostles) fought a GOOD FIGHT, not of the flesh, but of the Spiritual Warfare of the World... (that caused their own lives in the process)... In my own opinion only,... Christian Women, can be good HELPERS in the Church of God in Christ with DIRECT Supervision from Male Priests/Pastors/Preachers/Elders.. like during the Apostle's days... For Example, distributing and collecting donations, contributions to/for the Church, praying and visiting sick brethren, etc... but not TEACHING and PREACHING... in my own opinion... Amen.

[@jvlp2046]

Take Note: The first True Christian believer was Blessed Mary who found favor from God, with full of grace, and knew more Spiritual matters than any of the 12 Apostles, but who kept SILENT in the Church of God in Christ, to set an example to all Christian women... which was how God wants for Christian women to learn modesty and obedience to God... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen.

[@jvlp2046]

St. Paul was talking about/regarding "Spiritual Matters" only inside and outside the CHURCH of God in Christ Jesus (PRIESTHOOD matter)... But non-Church matters inside and outside, Christian Women can do equally with men (no distinction), be the President of the Country, CEO, teacher, professor, leader, etc... Take note #!: ... DEBORAH was a JUDGE just like Samson, and both were not involved in the RITUAL PRIESTHOOD matters inside and outside of the Jewish Temple... Anointed KINGS (like Saul, David, Solomon, etc.), JUDGES, and PROPHETS of God do not involve themselves in PRIESTLY DUTIES and RESPONSIBILITIES... In the CHURCH OF GOD both Jewish and Christians, there are NO PRIESTESSES (Female Priests) that God anointed... Christ Jesus is the LAST PRIESTHOOD of God... Take note #2: ... Both Jews and Christians must obey and follow the WILL of God, not the WILL of Mankind... Take note #3" ... It is WRONG to say that Christians must be "CHRIST-CENTERED," but should/must be "GOD-CENTERED through (the way of) CHRIST."... why?... because it is NOT Christ's WILL that we must follow/obey but God's WILL... God is our (all people's) Final Destination (Judgment Executioner) and Christ Jesus is the only WAY, the TRUTH, and the (real) LIFE towards (to reach and please) God... no one else... Christ said during His MINISTRY on Earth, "ALL things that come out from my mouth (teachings, doctrines, etc.) comes from the ONE (God) who sent ME (Chris Jesus.)... therefore, when Christ said, "If you love me, do MY Commandments... which MY Commandments?... God's New Testament/Covenant through His only SON (Christ Jesus). All Glory, Praise, and Thanksgiving to/for God in Christ Jesus' name... Amen and Amen...

[@jaimcgee4566]

That was funny.

[@Paulthored]

And informative... Especially that one comment explaining it in greater detail. 👍😇✝

[@jaimcgee4566]

Paulthored he tired and most of answers are solid , I just like when he told that woman to be quite lol, seriously everybody that is Christian need have some type of apologetics background to explain things

[@truthbaxter9689]

Many a true word said in jest.

[@Myguyver]

34Let [j]your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

[@sivemtshakazana]

Nah Frank... Come on bro.

[@shantor100]

I also don't like and get distracted when people in church are constantly yelling out words like yes Lord, amen to that etc. Once in a while, ok but not every 10 seconds

[@AllTheNations2819]

He dodged that question. This is one of the most common questions within the church...and he is acting like he doesn't know where he stands.

[@electricspark5271]

@Tiger He is human, have you memorized the entire bible? Please...

[@stephenblackwell5533]

@Tiger I respect someone more when they are honest. I've gotten answers for myself then forgotten the way it was put later on down the road so he was being honest but knows there is a good reason for why that was written and it isnt as it sounds at first glance.

[@Foreknown_]

"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. Why??? The very next verse gives an explanation that transcends culture & time period... "For Adam was formed first, then Eve;and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. - 1 Timothy 2:11-14 Equal in value but different in roles and the explanation transcends time and culture (deception and ursurpation) even though it is wildly unpopular in this day and age.

[@LivingMyBestAlways]

@Aaron Michael The thing is with most Christians they want to know everything in the Bible and they look for answers from mare mortal. In the beginning of my walk with the MOST HIGH I wanted to know a lot of things as well but a few months into it I didn’t anymore. I was quite satisfy with knowing the FATHER loving Him and loving the people that have cross my path whether it’s family friends neighbors just anyone. LOVE= forgiveness honesty ,meekness humbleness kindness, righteousness, helpfulness, patience. Understanding. Commitment. and most of all obedience to the ALMIGHTY FATHER. The Holy Spirit teaches us how to live pleasingly to our Savior and Redeemer. You Christians are not on one accord at all one believe this the other believe that you Guys just go back and forth. The only way to know the true REDEEMER is let go of yourself and let the ALMIGHTY do the leading. The Bible don’t tell us everything that we need to know but the Holy Spirit guides us to all truth. Love and blessings

[@brandonhumphrey7421]

Spiritually Enlightened Probably one of the most true comments I have ever seen. Christians try to study and memorize and therefore intellectualize the Bible. That’s not what it’s for. Pick it up read a few verses then put it down and give it no thought. Like you said God will reveal what he wants you to know through his Holy Spirit. Well put sir.

[@2godthrujesusonly139]

No, women are not to take position of preacher and teach in the CHURCH and not to even speak in the CHURCH The Word of God DOES NOT even say or imply this is only in reference to the marriage between a man and woman The Word of God makes it absolutely clear and it's not a matter of scriptures which are hard to decipher because of the language that was used in the scripture. So if the scriptures of 1 Timothy 2: 11-14, 1 Corinthians 14:34-40, and Titus 2: 1-5 is somehow not enough to back this up, then I ask you, if women are to speak in the CHURCH and are to take the position of a preacher in the church, then why would God only specify for men to take the positions of Deacon, Bishop, and Elders in the church but not women? 1 Corinthians 11:1-3 & 8-9 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. ____________________________________________________________________________________ 1 Timothy 2: 11-14 11 Women should learn quietly and submissively. 12 I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. 13 For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived by Satan. The woman was deceived, and sin was the result. ______________________________________________________________________________________ 1 Corinthians 14:34-40 *34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.* *35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.* 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Titus 2: 1-5 1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. 3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. ________________________________________________________________________________________ 1 Timothy 3:10-13 DEACONS 10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. ________________________________________________________________________________________ Titus 1:4-6 ELDERS 4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. 5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: 6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. _________________________________________________________________________________________ 1 Timothy 3:1-5 BISHOPS 1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

[@KD-eh3qo]

I recommend looking up Mike Winger's video(s) about these verses. His explanation on it seems to make the most sense

[@earnestlycontendingforthef5332]

YES! It the Lord's commandment! The true and faithful genuine "Daughters of Sarah" will dutifully obey. The daughters of the "DEVIL and his angels" will do just the opposite. For as Christ has well stated: "By their fruits shall ye know them".

[@earnestlycontendingforthef5332]

@joker "7 A man should not cover his head. He is **God's image** and glory. . The woman, however, is man's glory. 8 Clearly, man wasn't made from woman but woman from man. 9 Man wasn't created for woman but woman for man. 10 Therefore, a woman should wear something on her head to show she is under {someone's} authority, out of respect for the angels." 1 Corinthians 11:6-10 (GW)

[@estuchedepeluche2212]

In some biblical passages, women are taken as property; taken as the spoils of war and/or listed with men's donkey, house, and servant. FYI, that last one is in the text of the 10 Commandments.

[@CristOportunidad]

Women and men were taken captive in war, doesnt mean we should do that now. Old testament was a different time, the israelites were hard hearted and God set out rules so that they wouldn't harm themselves spiritually. Kidnapping was condemned but servitude was common

[@estuchedepeluche2212]

@@CristOportunidad " the israelites were hard hearted"I wonder Who made them that way???

[@CristOportunidad]

@@estuchedepeluche2212 God made humans knowing we would sin, in fact he made this universe knowing all that would happen, including the israelites. God gives us humans free will and we rebel, its not God that's making us sin, it was the israelites who made the choice to rebel. Just like the Pharaoh in Egypt in the book of Exodus, he hardened his heart because he refused to bow down to Yahweh, its all about pride and disobedience. Pride comes before the fall

[@estuchedepeluche2212]

@@CristOportunidad Do He did know it and still made men the way they are. Also, many times in the Bible you read “and God hardened their heart” or “they did so because their heart was hard” so this so call free will either determined by God or predetermined at birth.

[@CristOportunidad]

@@estuchedepeluche2212 You are confusing omnibelevolence with Free will. God let Pharaoh's heart harden because he was already hardening it himself (he was a ruthless dictator with no intention of letting the israelites go). A good example to understand it is children. When you have a child, you know that they will eventually sin, that doesn't mean you made them sin (because they are moral agents separate from yourself), but you still bring them into this world because its worth having a relationship with them, even in hardship. Thats how God sees his children

[@daniapowell180]

Halleujah 🙏🙌

[@redeemingthetime5600]

0:38 I LOVE THAT PART!!!

[@badboy8526]

If Bible tells women to Silent in church then women please be humble and obey. Not what, if, why. Many women in the Bible have brought disasters for example Eve brought the greatest disaster a.k.a sin. I am not gonna reply to anyone who disagrees or agrees becuase I am in line with the Bible. So any opinion is futile when Bible has settled the argument. Peace and bye.

[@midlander4]

You're in line with bollocks

[@ascendednightingale2456]

Adam brought disaster as well... David fell to temptation. We can argue back and forth all day long about which sex brought more destruction. That’s detracting from the bigger picture that all are broken. Clearly you’re not in line with the Bible if you’re going to dismiss men’s sin because you want to justify your misogyny. And yes, you are a misogynist if you want to amplify the sins of women and dismiss the sins of men.

[@freshliving4199]

Q - Should a woman be silent in the church? A - Not if she has a question. Otherwise how else is she going to fellowship with others to understand more about God? Especially if the man is weak and not being the living example he should be. However, a woman should not lead a man. This is against God’s spiritual order in life. That is God in Christ, Christ in man, man over woman, woman over children.

[@AL-ri6bk]

Ohhh interestings, so it was about disruption during service. Asking questions

[@LRoardj]

Silent for what reasons, hearing purposes, distractions, time not wasted, ... what..... I'm just saying

[@DEADxVenom]

The joke he did seemed more true than the other reason he gave coz woman do like to talk that’s for dam sure.

[@emiliouchila]

DEAD Chronic oh yea sure let’s generalize then. All theist are disgusting immoral people,

[@bytesizedbible]

I don't agree with the traditional reading but anytime someone says we can ignore scripture because, culture or a specific situation, I stop listening. ✋️ Is it God's word for us all or not? It is a slippery slope that leads to Progressive Christianity when we follow this reasoning.

[@midlander4]

Exactly. It's all utter bollocks. End of.

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

Well, you mix two passages into one, therefore you are not asking a proper question. One more thing, so this mam of God says God makes decrees according to the culture, really?

[@salvationbygracealone5111]

Disappointing answer from Frank. After years in the Faith, he does not have a robust answer to that?! Not good.

[@chillerkiller112]

Well I'm listening....

[@evinafur4797]

1 Corinthians 14:27 also says for men to keep silent Durning church service. "Silent" is not equal to "speak" because Church is NOT a platform for public Arguing/Debating.

[@Columbo-r4z]

It’s all it’s good for. And you are beautiful.

[@evinafur4797]

@@Columbo-r4z I find Christianity very liberating. Anything compared to islam is better/safer...BELIEVE me. There's plenty of evidence available to conclude Christianity is true. At the end of the day, It's a belief system that makes sense. Atheism is a belief system as well, they claim it's a "lack of belief in God" but they're presupposing they're isn't a God, which actually requires belief. I actually think atheists require MORE faith, to believe that Everything came from Absolute Nothing is not only a contradiction but it's also not reasonable

[@gelatinpowder1137]

@@evinafur4797The Bible might be true but it is NOT liberating”. Answer this: Genesis 19:1-8 Better to rape virgins instead of male angels Exodus 21:7-11 Unfair rules for female servants, may be sex slaves Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" 38:8 Women may not enter tabernacle they must support Leviticus 12:1-14 Women who have sons are unclean 7 days 12:4-7 Women who have daughters are unclean 14 days 15:19-23 Menstrual periods are unclean 19:20-22 If master has sex with engaged woman, she shall be scourged Numbers 1:2 Poll of people only includes men 5:13-31 Barbaric adulteress test Deuteronomy 21:11-14 Rape manual 22:5 Abomination for women to wear men's garments, vice-versa 22:13-21 Barbaric virgin test 22:23-24 Woman raped in city, she & her rapist both stoned to death 22:28-29 Woman must marry her rapist 24:1 Men can divorce woman for "uncleanness," not vice-versa 25:11-12 If woman touches foe's penis, her hand shall be cut off Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah's nameless daughter sacrificed 19:22-29 Concubine sacrificed to rapist crowd to save man I Kings 11:1-4 King Solomon had 700 wives & 300 concubines Job 14:1-4 "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one . . ." Proverbs 7:9-27 Evil women seduce men, send them to hell Isaiah 3:16-17 God scourges, rapes haughty women Ezekiel 16:45 One of numerous obscene denunciations Matthew 24:19 "[woe] to them that are with child" I Corinthians 11:3-15 Man is head of woman; only man in God's image 14:34-35 Women keep in silence, learn only from husbands Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit . . ." Colossians 3:18 More "wives submit" I Timothy 2:9 Women adorn selves in shamefacedness 2:11-14 Women learn in silence in all subjection; Eve was sinful, Adam blameless

[@hiefia8568]

That passage never specified men though

[@stickman2012]

Completely dodged the question there, bud. Go look up anything by John MacArthur on this issue. Or just read the actual passage...It's real easy. It's baffling how people miss this; it's so simple.

[@Tyler-Hoskins]

John MacArthur is a sexist hack. Beth Moore has genuine and personally led more women to Christ than MacArthur could ever have done from his high horse, soap box preaching

[@stickman2012]

@@Tyler-Hoskins Scathing...

[@kelleym7623]

Your both off. Macarthur teaches you can take the mark of the best and still get saved 😳. Beth Moore does not belong preaching the bible clearly teaches women shouldn't be preachers.

[@therapture4262]

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man....

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

Wonder y God made Miriam a preistess,Deborah a prophetess and Huldha the head of the college that taught the men when they lost their way? Are y tabithia was a disciple,or y God said sons and daughters will prophesy in the last days?

[@therapture4262]

@@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670 You need to use the context! Sons and daughters of Israel during the Tribulation period! There have always been some exceptions, but they always confirm the main rule! If I follow your logic, then I can say that it is good and acceptable for a man to have a lot of wives, wouldn't it? Would you like to become one of my seven wives (for example)? And I promise you - you will always be the number one)) 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2Ti.2:15) - "rightly dividing the word of truth"!

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

@@therapture4262 no u couldn't Christ said one man and one woman. God appointed Miriam, not just some man.

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

@@therapture4262 yeah it is during the tribulation period what is your point? There are many examples all throughout the Word.. but Miriam God appointed.

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

@@therapture4262 how does the fact that it is during the tribulation period change anything, I am missing your point. God said these things would hapoen,not just some man or example..u should take your own advice and rightly divide

[@benjaminhenry5869]

Can we get a link to the article reference in the answer?

[@justintherhino6585]

The culture in which the passage was written to was heavily based in sexual prostitutes as the local deity temples priestesses. The women were the ones that did the talking and commanded their followers. And to set apart the church from that culture, Paul had the church take that step of having women be silent. It was for a specific culture at a specific time. It is not mandated to the entire body of Christ everywhere.

[@charleschi843]

1 Timothy 2 has nothing to do with a personal marriage situation. It is a call for the order of creation in Genesis to be lived out in the teaching authority of the weekly gathering. Paul refers to Genesis which leads us to assume that the passage is for the global church in all times.

[@Taydutt13]

Short answer: yes

[@fromthewrath2come]

How can women be silent and yet prophesy. Contradiction. Two different churches that needed different teaching. Women in Romans commended for their leadership, recognized as prophesying. Women in Ephesus told to be silent. Study the cult of artemis in Ephesus and you will understand.

[@christisthekingofkings777]

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 1 Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

[@paulspring]

The best answer is this: "Anyone who holds emotions above logic and reason should be silent in church during a message."

[@DanielKolbin]

what?! no

[@AtamMardes]

The Bible was written by hypocrite sexist delusional folks. The same Bible that teaches "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", also instructs woman to be quiet, and teaches how to buy slaves, enslave children, beat the slaves, pass slaves on to next generation as permanent inheritance, and not treat relatives they way slaves are treated.

[@AussieZeKieL]

atam mardes what do you think of the new covenant?

[@paulspring]

@@AtamMardes context is key

[@AtamMardes]

@Matt Smith The resurrection and other Jesus miracle hoaxes were made up by anonymous hoaxer Christian writers falsely passing themselves off as someone who existed years before them from some other place claiming to be eyewitnesses to miracles.

[@approachingtarget.4503]

Reference back to what God said directly to Adam and Eve. Did he say Adam would pay for sinning the same way as Eve?! Or are any of the 12 followers ladies?! Do we learn from our mistakes?

[@ajgibson1307]

God bless and Amen

[@jleeland5393]

This boy's right! It's pretty hard to read the Old Testament as a Christian..you kinda just have skip over it and Pretend it doesn't exist

[@EddieBrock757]

Does this mean they can’t sing?

[@DonkeyLips-gj9uq]

The equivocation of apologists is amazing. “That was not a universal command but was specific to that time and situation..” Then why is it the infallible book written by the Creator of the Universe?

[@96tolife]

Frank is correct. The passage in Timothy is Paul trying to establish order inside a gathering of new believers. It is not a law, which we're not under anyway, against woman pastors, etc.

[@thisgeneration2894]

Here just read this in the bible... In 1 Corinthians 14:33 to 36 says this for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. Or was it from you that the word of God first went out? Or has it come to you only? This verse here is a universal remark..

[@thomasfogarty5857]

The actual controversy over this passage has to do with the Greek word “authentin,” which has been translated to “have authority over” but actually could refer to a form of violence or ritual castration. A 2010 study of the word discovered it has to do with violence. While we cannot ignore passages in which the Bible teaches that wives should submit to husbands, this one does not cut it. Nevertheless women did have key leadership roles in the early church.

[@thomasb4467]

Thomas Fogarty you’re referring to this verse? 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Authority: αὐθεντέω authenteō ow-then-teh'-o From a compound of G846 and ἕντης hentēs (obsolete; a worker); to act of oneself, that is, (figuratively) dominate: - usurp authority over.

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

In Ephesians it says submit one to another.. man and woman become one flesh Christ is the head of then both.

[@TheRastacabbage]

Can you point me to where in scripture I'll find women having key leadership roles?

[@LilKevv]

​​@@TheRastacabbage Deborah as one of the judges in the old testament :)

[@TheRastacabbage]

@@LilKevv I'll take that as a no

[@teem311]

There are two instances where women are commanded to be silent: 1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34. You dismiss 1 Timothy 2:12 by saying it's in that church only. Well, we are not going to accept any epistle because those things were in those churches. Since it's also in 1 Cor 14:34, it means it's a followed commandment. Women must be silent. Don't water down the scriptures with your books which are not Bible. Everyone that writes their book about Christianity ends up with authority like Bible - that's not how it must be. Your book is yours.

[@sjarjoura9188]

The situation in the Corinthian church was basically out of control, and Paul was addressing many people about their behaviour, not just women, and the main point is verse 33: “For our God is not a God of disorder but of peace…”. However, with regards to women leadership and ordination, and specifically the passage in 1 Tim. 2 (that’s often quoted about this topic), I would like to suggest that it is not necessarily transcultural, nor do I think that Paul was trying to create a stumbling block for women’s participation in worship/ministry. Certainly the Christian faith is dependent on the work of the Holy Spirit in us (who are empty vessels ready to be filled by Him), and His gifting according to His mercy and grace. Verses in the Bible such as Acts 2:17-18 (which references Joel 2:28), clearly leaves no one out, and there’s no shortage of verses and examples in the Bible, along with historical and present day accounts of God moving mightily in women, including in the role of teaching. So I can’t see Paul ostracizing women (approximately half the population) from this role as a generally applied directive, but rather a specific instruction for a particular time and context - and I believe the text supports this argument. Many read this passage and automatically jump to the negative narrative, and assert that Paul is being misogynistic, when in fact, he is actually trying to protect the women of that time from judgement. I believe that Dickson’s argument of the difference between “teaching” and “preaching” is valid and applicable. We know this when we look at other passages where Paul makes the distinction between Spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12:28, Rom. 12:4-8, etc.), and as you read his and others’ letters, it is clear that this distinction was understood among 1st Century Christians, and that “teaching” was a higher platform. In James 3:1, James strongly cautions the brethren/believers about not seeking to become “teachers”, because there is a greater judgement for those who teach incorrectly. “Teaching” is meant for those who can correctly read, interpret and explain the Word, whereas “Preaching” is intended for witnessing and sharing the good news after one has been taught. Paul is discouraging women of that time from “teaching”, not “preaching” (and not from prophesying, speaking in tongues, performing miracles or any other gifting/ministry either). It is clear from the passage that women were not in a position to be properly equipped to teach. You need mentorship to become a “teacher”, similar to how Paul studied under Gamaliel (acts 22:3), but this was not available to women of that time - only to men - and he didn’t want women to use their new-found freedom to assume the role of teaching without proper training (and as stated in the video, considering the very low literacy rates of the time among men, women would be even less privileged to have an education, making matters worse). So given the opportunity, there's no reason for women not to be ordained as pastors. Paul uses the illustration from Genesis because God told Adam directly about the forbidden fruit in Genesis 2, prior to Eve being formed. Adam would have shared the knowledge about the forbidden fruit with Eve after she was formed. When Eve was tempted/questioned by the serpent/devil, she was unable to correctly respond/deceived, and eventually sinned, causing judgement on herself and Adam (to be clear, Adam sinned as well). Paul is basically trying to explain how important it is to have a full understanding and knowledge of the Word, otherwise you will be prone to fail/sin, which the women of that time would have been in a position to do so. Paul ends the passage about women “saved through childbearing”, not in the context that this is their only purpose (as Augustine incorrectly interpreted and asserted), nor that every women who gives birth gets saved and goes to heaven, but rather imploring women that, if they want to do good, then they can carry out a very important role of “teaching”(without facing judgement, and thus "saved"): which is to raise up Godly children “in faith, love and holiness with propriety”

[@robertburns9596]

The apostle Paul said it was Eve who was deceived by the surpent.

[@NazSBG]

Try telling John Macarthur different regarding women in the church!!!

[@alantinoalantonio]

Yes. The answer is yes.

[@AtamMardes]

The Bible was written by hypocrite sexist delusional folks. The same Bible that teaches "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", also instructs woman to be quiet, and teaches how to buy slaves, enslave children, beat the slaves, pass slaves on to next generation as permanent inheritance, and not treat relatives they way slaves are treated.

[@AtamMardes]

@Mr Dyntasy The resurrection and other Jesus miracle hoaxes were made up by anonymous hoaxer Christian writers falsely passing themselves off as someone who existed years before them from some other place claiming to be eyewitnesses to miracles.

[@AtamMardes]

@Mr Dyntasy Yes, what I said are facts, not arguments.

[@givethanks6714]

Culture argument is wrong Frank.. All quotes from 1 Cor : " As in all the churches of the saints, the women.." " If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God. " " That is why I sent you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church." There is no culture difference in commands form the Lord through Paul. Paul went to Churches all over the Known world for him. So he taught the same in different cultures that time too.

[@galbro480261]

it says in verse 13 of 1 tim 2 adam was form first then eve - adam not decived but eve was - i dont think there is a need to exergete anything here or use a bunch of 10 letter words i think 1 tim explains things well.

[@awordofwisdomwithcharlotte4670]

It says Adam did eat too,God gave the command directly to Adam

[@geekfreak9578]

“Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” Lol adams is even more responsible here

[@trippleseven37]

I’m very disappointed in this man. Answer the question. The Bible says what it says.

[@trippleseven37]

Phillip Hickman that’s not the point. When you preach the word of God it’s your duty to tell the truth. There’s no half stepping.

[@trippleseven37]

Phillip Hickman ok man. If you want to let this slide then do your thing. You clearly don’t stand for truth and I don’t have time for this. Goodbye.

[@arthouston7361]

It’s because it’s the only one day in a week, where a woman will be silent……😅

[@DontStopBrent]

I don’t know why God wants this. I just know our felt sensibilities get offended and that doesn’t matter at all. We don’t get a vote on this ....and it’s not cultural. There’s quite a few things I wish God would consult me on, but He’s not too interested in my opinion on some issues. :). Joking aside, I can read instructions and I can choose to be obedient. He’s God. I am not. I’ll just obey. As a side note, I think Frank sidestepped this issue. I wish he had not done that.

[@nahj1don706]

God will hold him accountable for it until he repents.

[@DontStopBrent]

@NAHJ1 DON No brother. He will not. If you believe that, you misunderstand how God is. This man did not sin. He just didn’t want to offend people. See, this is a minor minor point. People that disagree about this particular instruction have a heart problem. God doesn’t command immediate perfect obedience from us. He saves us.....then gradually changes us. Frank knows this and is slowly spoon feeding people. ....instead of jamming it down their throats all at once. He did not sin.

[@nahj1don706]

@@DontStopBrent ur concept of sin is misconstrued

[@ericp2566]

Why was that guy allowed to ask a question with such an unabashed manner without having a clue of the legitimacy of it?