Should You Deadlift for Bodybuilding??

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[@DanielHeredia]

Deadlifts are good for the soul if anything

[@StrengthShowcase]

And for the difficult.

[@connorking984]

What does that mean, they are hard but that's not a good thing in a vacuum​@@StrengthShowcase

[@StrengthShowcase]

@@connorking984 It's part of the gospel of m'lord Kyriakos "Grizzly" Kapakoulak. 🙏🏻

[@mcpartridgeboy]

i got squats for that

[@ZekeFilms]

Deadlifts are good for deadlifts

[@JPeakman96]

Gotta keep in mind this is for people with a strictly bodybuilding goal. For anyone else who's just looking to feel fit and healthy and strong Deadlifts are fantastic for strengthening your back & legs and have a great crossover to daily life, especially as you get older.

[@Shon52]

Exactly

[@kidbrown2010]

The deadlift is also great for people who don't have a lot of time at the gym. Mike is right, that locally every part has a better counter movement.. but if you are looking to train 3 hours a week because you have a busy life.. you are just not gonna able to train everything separately at a high intensity.. so the big moves are a great compromise. Every newbie that can't pull 200 pounds off the ground should also probably stick to those big compound because they don't have the work capacity to be doing all these different moves. Once you become intermediate and/or have the time for a more time-consuming approach, dropping or reducing the deadlift is a good option.

[@staystrong4309]

True. But you assume all intermediates and advanced lifters need an hour to workout. Yes, youd benefit from it. However, you only need 2 to 3 exercises per body part. Sometimes even just 1 exercise. Therefore, there is no need to add the deadlift if your goal is hypertrophy, even if your time is limited, or even very ​limited, because the non-compound movements still work great. And again, if you only use 1 or 2 different ones per muscle group, then you won't pass your time limit. @@kidbrown2010

[@Ghostface-1393]

My back surgeon buddy’s wants everyone to deadlift as much as possible

[@B05SxBrennan]

I agree, but with the caveat that I think if it's just for strength in your job or day-to-day life, you should primarily be training deadlifts with a controlled negative instead of dropping. There aren't many situations outside of the gym where you have to lift a huge amount of weight and just get to drop it to the floor without any control or risk of damaging property.

[@craighambling]

" It's very uncomfortable, but the wealth alone keeps me comfortable" 😂😂😂

[@OriginalPuro]

It wasn't that funny. Also, isn't it weird that young people start out learning to type properly, but end up not being able to type, and just spams emoticons?

[@igloboy]

Ye it was funny xD

[@alexandrosandreou8585]

​@OriginalPuro who took a shit in your coffee? Cuz I Wana thank them you prick

[@elijahknox4421]

​@@OriginalPurowhat is wrong with you? If you don't like it just move on. You don't need to force your opinion when there's nothing good that can come from you just asserting your indifference

[@dnguyen69420]

ppl jus make it that deep 😂😂😂

[@user-hs4sk2uw2s]

Y’all are so hollow headed. This dude is a bodybuilder, he aims to educate other bodybuilders, he’s not saying they aren’t a good strength exercise. They just do not do a good job of targeting a specific muscle or muscle group in the context of hypertrophy

[@user-ht9mh4cm3f]

Nah Dr. Mike said something that goes against what I think so he's wrong and fuck him and everyone's he's ever met. Just kidding, fuck deadlifts. Not putting myself through that much fatigue just to work my glutes more

[@Tryveum]

Except they target the lower back and hamstrings... so, the argument is completely invalid.

[@josepmariasebastian8886]

@@TryveumPoint flew over your head. There's exercises that stimulate those muscles more with less fatigue.

[@Lazar-hl8jd]

@@Tryveum the hamstrings stretch when you extend the knee, so they literally even can't contract to produce force to assist the glute max and adductor magnus in extending the hip in a conventional deadlift since you're extending the knee at the same time.

[@Tryveum]

@@josepmariasebastian8886 No there aren't, not if you do them RDL style.

[@jakederecki9922]

They’re good for the nervous system. When I’m strong on deadlift I feel strong everywhere else

[@elladarko6851]

This is true. Ever since incorporating deadlifts I haven’t been as nervous

[@KillerSkullX]

Wym?

[@leroycrosby9987]

@@KillerSkullX Deadlifts & squats are incredibly taxing on your nervous system, in a good way. If you want to regulate your nervous system, tax it in good ways.

[@richardly1543]

@@leroycrosby9987 or you can just work harder on your other lifts

[@KillerSkullX]

@@leroycrosby9987 wym by regulate it??

[@DanielBotelho-ok8df]

Gonna raise my deadlift by 10 kg tomorrow because of this video

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

How did it go?

[@mann8098]

​@@evillaughinthebackground5732threw his back out 😂

[@Switcheroo1]

@@evillaughinthebackground5732he was twerking the bar up

[@iLLuzion1st]

I PRd on DL today! 225# @8x3

[@Velhotin]

@@evillaughinthebackground5732 No back.

[@Matrim42]

Counterpoint: deadlifts are the tits.

[@Halbared]

Succinct.

[@beepboop9848]

what the fuck does this mean lmao

[@peterk.2108]

@@beepboop9848breast

[@akocwol9019]

Explain

[@rockyevans1584]

Theres no fat in this rebuttal. Well done

[@RDS_Armwrestling]

RDLs are frickin sweet though, hard to beat

[@wasteddude]

I LOVE the sorness that my hamstrings get from RDLs.

[@RDS_Armwrestling]

@@wasteddude yeah buddy 💪🏼

[@soroushm2498]

@@wasteddude the same goes for deadlift for me

[@Bane1Mirin]

@@wasteddudefacts

[@qsanchez95]

@@wasteddude i mostly feel deadlifts in my hammies anyways so i just do deadlifts. love em

[@charlieross4674]

My traps grew more from deadlifts than it has from anything else, including all types of shrugs. It's so depressing that my lower back is chronically fucked up meaning I can't go as hard or heavy as I would so love. Those who can deadlift with serious intensity, count your blessings...

[@Haganenno121]

I had a disc protrusion and can still deadlift 1.3x-1.4x my body weight pain free while being quite weak and just starting out. Work on your lower back with stuff like back extensions. Do em to failure. That helped me immensely.

[@terminaldeity]

Bro, just do RDLs.

[@STIXAHOY]

I used to have back pain when I lifted heavy objects......off the ground..... After I started deadlifts......no more pain.......

[@WaddyMuters]

I do deadlifts because I think it’s a good functional exercise. My idea is it probably trains a lot of smaller stabilizing muscles that get neglected by isolation exercises.

[@prcodes3479]

I stopped doing conventional deadlifts for bodybuilding but RDL/SLDL are fantastic for the hamstrings.

[@hurpaderpp]

We are talking about bodybuilding though. Most bodybuilders dont want gigantic hamstrings do they?

[@dylh7559]

​@@hurpaderppofcourse they do

[@TomoHawKzZ]

​@@hurpaderppthey want gigantic everything that's the point

[@hurpaderpp]

@@TomoHawKzZ in open bodybuilding yeah. that shit looks awful

[@mackwhite374]

​@@TomoHawKzZeverything but obliques. Gotta keep them cut for the slim waist to make the shoulders look even wider

[@shizamza]

Deadlifts are fun for pushing yourself and doing something that’s fucking hard. Teaching your whole body to exert that much force is awesome. For hypertrophic purposes, yeah not the greatest but for a functional lower back or if you have a job where you have to pick shit up all the time or if you ever have to move move furniture, it’s good to have done this movement. It’s a great lift, just gotta make sure it’s pros are aligned with your goals

[@sorkeror]

Deadlift is one of the most useful lifts in real life.

[@FizzyCape]

For the exact reasons they’re bad for bodybuilding. General full body non targeted strength is gonna help you a lot more in day to day life than like giant calves will

[@ludvig3242]

Not really, most people don’t even need to go to the gym for a healthy life

[@FizzyCape]

@@ludvig3242 you don’t need the gym, but it’s an easy way to incorporate consistent full body excercise into your life.

[@gimmetreefiddy891]

This is what I tell people all the time. How else would you train to carry bodies? But seriously, I think for a casual, non-competitive gym goer who wants to get fit, it is a very good exercise.

[@askerzie]

It is no more useful than squat or bench press. The most useful exercise is farmer carry, by far margin.

[@simpsonjayhawk]

Risk to injury is too high, paraphrasing, but a former NFL vet said you won’t find anyone doing deadlifts in an NFL gym

[@miderwr9363]

It's too high for someone with a million dollar contract to perform in a sport where the benefits of the deadlift is very minimal for the sport. It's not too high for anyone else who wants to learn how to do them properly and work their way up.

[@DG19835]

I have been working out for about 20 years, doing all sorts of various workout routines including a vigorous big 3 rotation. Squat, bench, deadlift. Now. I have not touched deadlift in about 3 years, also the best I have looked ever in my life. I have found targeting a specific muscle is far more effective then full body type lifts.

[@vincewarren1271]

They're great for overall strength and thickness. I'd never fuck with anyone who can deadlift 400-500+ pounds. That's a strong lad 💪

[@kayg5197]

As a powerlifter who is always exposed to elite athletes on social media: thank you for your comment. I somehow feel better now after reading it.

[@jjhbball]

I'm a basketball player. I periodically go through a hypertrophy phase where I don't deadlift and I'm not playing much bball. When I'm back "in season" (playing several times per week) I deadlift with high load and low volume to maintain. Very efficient.

[@greatbigbeard]

One bad day and your ball career will be over. I'm pretty sure there's much better lifts that'll carry over to your sport than doing deadlifts for a non-contact sport.

[@RagingRugbyst]

​@@greatbigbeardoi, smooth brained fuck, you do realize the hundreds of max of plyometric movements he demands of his body each game have a much higher chance of snapping his shit than the almost nonexistant chance of fucking your back deadlifting? For one there isn't an opponent that can be there to mess your landing and thus disintegrate your knee for life. Never seen a video of someone snapoing their shit on deads. Herniations are also so normal in your back people mostly DON'T EVEN FUCKING NOTICE HAVING THEM. You know jack shit mate. Don't care if you have a degree, your statement was objectively retarded if nor for the fact that you agreed with Oberst, who's an absolute idiot.

[@sammyttheg412]

Clown 😂​@@greatbigbeard

[@Aiolosz]

@@greatbigbeard 100% also his fatigue ratio would drop and maybe play better ball too

[@greatbigbeard]

@@Aiolosz you'd think athletes would know better but nope. They do dumber shit than genpop at times.

[@Shon52]

Deadlifts keeping you big as hell

[@platinum295]

You can be like 120 pulling 405 and still look skinny asf deadlifts are mid at best

[@EverydayElixer]

Soyboys making excuses for weak pulls

[@AdamGold-ke4cu]

@@platinum295maybe not everyone wants to be big

[@platinum295]

@@AdamGold-ke4cu i was proving a point

[@alo0ann]

​@@AdamGold-ke4cu The topic of the comment and the video is being big. In that case deadlifts are not viable for looks.

[@61pwcc]

There's definitely a thickness of the back, especially in the Erectors that come from heavy deadlifts, which would be hard match with Isolation work.

[@puissance]

I busted my lower back doing deadlifts. I haven't recovered from my previous workout and kept going... I very much regret it because I'm still having issues with my back now. If doing deadlifts, need to do them right and not overdo it.

[@realpolitik3169]

I herniated my L5-S1 deadlifting years ago. Oddly, deadlifting has helped me heal. I now live by a simple rule: "If you can't grip it... Don't rip it." Straps, mixed grip, and hooked grip allow you to pull more weight than you should. With a conventional double overhand, grip is the limiting factor, so you will pull sub maximally everytime.

[@Yyyyy77817]

​@@realpolitik3169 Snapped my back up when I wasn't using straps. Have had no issues deadlifting now using that I'm using straps. Fixed my form and recovery as well tho...

[@merogaro7197]

Do it once a week. You were greedy. I hope you fully recover

[@TrapKingz.]

Moral of the story = don’t deadlift

[@realpolitik3169]

@@TrapKingz. Squatting and Deadlifting are kings. Respect the kings and play them straight and you'll be richly rewarded... or fuck around and find out.

[@jordanduran1726]

As someone who primarily works out to be bigger but also wants to be strong, I love deadlifts. I do a modified push,pull,legs, where one of my days is back, hams, forearms and biceps, specifically because I always felt the posterior chain works together on so many exercises.

[@schwibz]

Sounds interesting, can you elaborate a bit more please

[@jordanduran1726]

Happily, but I'm not sure specifically what you are asking. Do you want to know about the day I do posterior chain work or how the rest of the program is structured? Obviously this is something tailored to me and it's focused on bringing up what I believe are the weak points in my physique while maintaining enough workload to grow or at least maintain the other body parts.

[@schwibz]

Yeah just the overall split, I do PPL also but try to modify it a bit so I have more of an arm focused day. Also feel like my hams need more work and didnt think to hit then on pull day. I love bb rows and deadlifts which engage them a bit, but normally do my deads on leg day

[@EmpiricalPragmatist]

I also do PPL based on the workout frequency made possible by my busy life schedule. Where do you guys fit shoulders into that? I currently do anterior delts on push day, and mid and posterior on pull day, but not sure if this is right...

[@jordanduran1726]

@@schwibz I would first off agree that deadlifts are primarily a lower body exercise, though obviously the back is heavily involved. I used to do a PPL split where on one leg day I would barbell back squat and the other I would deadlift and that split worked well for me. Like I mentioned this is specific to me, but the plan is essentially this. Day 1: Calves, Quads, Abs, Medial Delts. Day 2: Posterior Chain, Biceps, Forearms. Day 3: Calves, Chest, Medial Delts, Triceps. Day 4: Rest, Day 5: same as Day 1, up to Day 7. Day 8 would repeat the cycle. There are things within each day that I am prioritizing as well, such as on my chest day I lean heavily to target the upper chest, and like you I target my hamstrings the most on my posterior day as my back and glutes are probably my most developed body parts. I personally also had an issue with my arms lagging but luckily, I was able to remedy that with better exercise selection and a slight increase in volume. I don’t have any serious injuries and being in my thirties I still use mostly free weights. I have started elevating my heels on Quad day to get more knee drive, this has meant that I can move less weight, but the strain has been taken of my back, hams, and butt when I squat so I am fresher for the posterior work the next day, the other exercises are a hack squat, and leg extensions. My gym also has a belt squat where the weight is anchored to the hips, but barbell squatting is my favorite exercise and I haven’t been able to give it up completely, though I may end up using that belt squat with elevated heels which I feel could make this even more effective. My posterior days start with lat pulldowns and single leg hip thrusts to warm up. Then the deadlifts warm up to 3 working top sets, after which I superset my back exercises with glute/ham. Pullups with Bulgarian split squats, RDL’s with Low Row, Single leg standing leg curl with T-bar row, hyperextensions with single arm preacher curl, adductor with single arm cable curl, then I end with forearm exercises. Hope this helps!

[@alantyndall85]

Working all those muscles takes time, however. If that's more important than fatigue then it's a great choice for strength and size.

[@spencerc32]

To get all the definition required to go pro sure...just to be a jacked beast deadlifts are a go to

[@alexm.s4000]

My deadlift is my strongest lift. Its ego. I feel good lifting my heaviest, and why shouldnt i? My goal is to eventually join the 1k club so i need it for that... Also i feel my lower back, but in a good way. My hamstrings have also developed nicely because of it.

[@Fixed4Philly]

You wanna deadlift 1000lbs?

[@alexm.s4000]

@@Fixed4Philly no lol. 1k total deadlift, squat, bench

[@Fixed4Philly]

@@alexm.s4000 im unfamiliar with this. Is 1k of all those things totaling 1k in one workout? Is it 1k each, spread throughout a few workouts?

[@alexm.s4000]

@@Fixed4Philly so you have your one rep max for these three exercises. The goal is to be able to lift in total 1000 pounds (453.5kg) over the three exercises. So lets say 400 pound deadlift, 350 pound squat and 250 pound bench press is in total equal to 1000 pounds.

[@Fixed4Philly]

@@alexm.s4000ohhhh! Got it! That’s a new goal for me too then! Except I don’t bench. I’m at 420 for the dl & 330 for the squat.

[@shabbydabbydo314]

For a fraction of the fatigue, maybe. For a fraction of the fun, yes. For a fraction of the time, no way. 😊

[@user-ty6tu1in4l]

I agree with Mike on this.Great for people just getting started,or general strength.I'll do them occasionally just to break things up.

[@AdaptiveMK1]

I know they’re fun but imo they just cause more injury than anything, you’ve gotta lift heavy to actually have benefits while training but if you lift too heavy then enjoying lower back pain for a while

[@pyeclam]

I like deadlifts because it builds good overall strength, but I feel it can be difficult to fit into a split since they are fatiguing. I think Justin Lee recommended a small change to fit it into a push pull so that there's more rest period.

[@merogaro7197]

Just do it once a week

[@chrisdonnell2575]

I got the Titan Squat Max MD so I can heavily train legs without squats and now do deadlifts as well. Best of both worlds and the fatigue factor NOT an issue anymore. Great for traps and forearms!

[@JSamad]

Deadlifts make me wanna go home immediately after I finish them. They're too taxing and really deserve a day on their own, but I don't have the time nor the energy to train 5 days a week.

[@DJ_Force]

Deadlifts are great at training deadlifts, and are a lot of fun. Also, a great introduction into the world of physical therapy and back doctors!

[@nirvanafan500]

From a former lover of deadlifts. It was my passion. I second this.. pains me to say.

[@JSamad]

This is misinformation

[@jeremiaha5167]

I loved deadlifts when I used to lift/do BB. My fantasy was always to have one of those hexagonal bars where you sit in the middle and a deadlift that's a bit closer to a squat

[@patrickmcdonagh539]

You mean a trap bar.. Great for quads.. Doesn't do much for your back

[@scottyk1763]

Damn it Dr Mike your double blink got me again.

[@taylorbee4010]

Strength and posture Gets testosterone up Trains like Everything all at once Can seriously shape legs and back/posture

[@ScarletReflections]

Deadlifts hurt my back, so I'm glad to hear Mike say this.

[@michaelsalerno286]

You should still incorporate movements that work the total musculature for injury prevention and long term growth, as well as positive CNS adaptation. If you ultimate goal is body building that you can scrap the deadlift halfway through your programming and replace it with a greater volume of isolation movments.

[@drmatt357]

Thank you for this. From someone who’s been training almost 5 decades and a practicing DC for 4,I’ll tell you deadlifts train the shitte out of the 5th lumbar disc to the point it explodes!😮

[@Savage_t_Saint]

Deadlifts and rack pulls have tripled my back size. Its a great lift. RDLs have doubled my hamstrings. My back really responds to heavier weights. My chest better with volume. It reaponds to GVT at 50% of 1RM. My quads to volume as well. It took me years to really figure this out. My workouts look insane to the average lifter. Everyone is different.

[@AChunkyDog]

Oh okay cool. I was thinking deadlifts weren't benefiting me at all and only effing my lower back up. I'll do other stuff instead.

[@benj1b]

Deadlifts aren't great for bodybuilding, but great for strength training

[@aca347]

you are probably doing them wrong or too heavy if you feel them too much in the lower back but even if you do them correctly, I think stimulus-to-fatigue ratio isn't worth it from a pure bodybuilding perspective. whenever I do deadlifts I just feel tired in general. really can't think of a good reason to deadlift if you are not a powerlifter. if you still wanna deadlift, RDLs are just better.

[@michaelmanning7954]

@@aca347this. Strength/powerlifting, DL are necessary, but not ideal for body building. OP definitely isnt lifting right and thats from personal experience

[@nirvanafan500]

Deadlifts are great to become a good deadlifter. Keeping it short, I loved deadlifting..it was my passion. Everything about it. From technique to recovery. 1 back surgery later and I probably won't ever do them again . My lumbar spinal discs are battered with an MRI Showing it. I'm trying to spread the word and find out from other people who may have had similar problems. For reference I was a 600lb puller. If you do them please take it easy and If you think you're taking it easier, double check again, and then again. Because I did 99% of everything right and it still caused me the need or surgery.

[@AChunkyDog]

@@nirvanafan500 I'm only seeing that it's pretty unnecessary unless you're specifically a deadlifter. Longevity > proving something to myself as a fresh rookie strength trainer.

[@sinarajaee4381]

Beautifully said.

[@chocothunda99]

I started doing it for more raw strength gains and to protect my low back and knees. I’m 6’5 so they’re both a weak point for me. Deadlifts have definitely helped strengthen them (along with other exercises of course).

[@jg5004]

No amount of other excises that “stimulate a muscles as much as deadlifts” will ever replicate the feeling of holding 500+lbs in your hands after you deadlifted it off the ground and your body is screaming from the sense of pain and orgasm at the same time.

[@AndreaAustoni]

Yes that's good for the ego but does that grow muscle more than other exercises? That's the point of the video.

[@devilselbow]

@@AndreaAustoni I train ego through full range of motion, sometimes to failure.

[@gitarooman2995]

Literal ego lifting

[@godlikemachine645]

@@gitarooman2995 yes, but it's safe with proper technique. so if people want to stroke their ego, deadlifts are the best way to do it, IMO

[@doctorgorgomel]

@@AndreaAustoni mechanistically? deadlifts are far from the best. However if one enjoys doing them and this improves adherence to the program (or just training in general), then deadlifts are great. If one dislikes doing 6-8 isolation exercises for a workout, they're not going to do it for long. This is something a lot of people forget. Perfect is the enemy of good and good is infinitely better than nothing. I don't think Ronnie Coleman would have enjoed training and become one of the GOATs of bodybuilding if he could not go heavy.

[@danski6694]

I was a big deadlifter 10-12 years ago. Got to a 545 pull. Not powerlifting numbers but still pretty good. My problem is that I couldn’t figure out what I wanted to be - a big strong guy, or look great. Deadlifting heavy leaves nothing in the tank for other stimulus which will more likely improve your overall physique. That is the “problem” with focusing on deadlifts. Oh and yea - no matter how good your form is, when going for a PR, you WILL screw up your technique, which will lead to lower back issues. I have since switched to squats and occasional RDL’s now in my mid 40’s and my back is the most pain free and healthy its ever been since I began seriously training 25 years ago

[@reportteemo4690]

ive literally never tried 1RM on deadlifts.. but thats because im still not 100% sure about my form, not even close. i do like 3 sets of 150kg X 6. 3 years of gym so far. deadlifting is hard

[@danski6694]

@@reportteemo4690 Keep the bar close to your body as you can. Literally ride the shins up. Try not to round your back. Thats bad. Sit back into the lift when initiating- although that depends on your height/build. But you want to initiate the lift with legs as well as back

[@reportteemo4690]

@@danski6694 i think my problem is not being able to lower hips low enough and be able to push with legs from that position, every other thing u mentioned is good i feel like. thanks

[@alexwolff9395]

@@reportteemo4690 found a great queue is not thinking of lifting the bar off the ground. instead grab it, lock in and think of pushing the ground away with as much force as you can. always felt my legs more when I deadlifted like this

[@JPeakman96]

@@danski6694 so basically you got sucked into the trap of over reaching your capabilities and acquiring niggles because of it. Don't blame the deadlift. If you consistently tried to go for pr's and such on a chest fly I'm pretty sure you'd pick up some injuries too. Treat it like any other lift and you'll be a-ok.

[@HagakureJunkie]

I agree that deadlifts can trash your whole CNS but for overall “Whole body working together” compound lifts are just fantastic

[@ryanfletcher4054]

I love deadlifts, absolute favourite exercise! That being said I'm recovering from knee surgery and just getting back into training so I've left them out of my program for the first time in forever

[@Simlatio]

I prefer my lifts alive.

[@Broaclese]

How's Ronnie's back doing these days? Rhetorically asked by a fella with titanium holding his spine together

[@arthurfleck629]

Badass dude, you’re like Wolverine!

[@alexdelarge5703]

His form was bad and he overstrained so he's fucked

[@camakaze1330]

I think Ronnie’s back stuff was made a lot worse with botched surgery sadly

[@kakefisk]

​@@alexdelarge5703messed up surgery and not taking any time off to actually rehab after surgery will mess up EVERYBODY

[@timothyflorio9867]

​@@camakaze1330he also never listened to his doctors trained while injured and used chiro as treatment...

[@jayanthsambaraju6562]

all of this is for pure hypertrophy goals. If you enjoy deadlifts, do them, if you enjoy floor presses, do them. You’ll still get gains

[@KG-jh4on]

Same reason something like ring push ups with feet elevated can tear up your chest, huge deep stretch on your pecs at bottom

[@slamsuperslam]

I finish my workouts with deadlifts on pull days. If I’m not already exhausted, they demolish me and I love the feeling.

[@nostalji75]

Isn't it risky to do deadlifts and potentially injure yourself while already exhausted? I think it could be better to start off with deadlifts and fatigue urself with more targeted exercise.

[@henrikgostomski286]

@@nostalji75 it's not risky if he goes controlled and lightweight, but it probably doesn't grow a lot of muscle or strength if he is already fatigued and has tired forearms. It probably would make more sense to end a push day with deadlifts, since none of the posterior muscles or forearms are being worked and the fatigue on a push day is usually less compared to pull or leg days, atleast for me.

[@matversion2]

Same principle as doing squats last in your leg day, your legs are already fried so you don't have to use anywhere on the same level of weight to finish your legs with them, and your limiting factor likely won't be your back anymore, which will limit injury risk and axial (systemic) fatigue. You'll end up using half the weight of they follow rows, vertical pulls, and whatever other stuff, and likely mostly fry your erectors.

[@slamsuperslam]

@@nostalji75 I keep that in mind and don’t go too hard. Just enjoy frying my lower back and hammies after targeting upper/mid back earlier in the workout.

[@nostalji75]

@@slamsuperslam I think the keyword here is you "enjoy" yourself. And if it works for you it works. But if you want to optimise your hypertrophy training this might be an idea to play around with. There are obviously excercises that target your lower back and hamstrings more directly. I hope I don't get banned here for saying this but: Obviously not everything needs to be optimal hypertrophy training :P Take care of yourself, stay healthy and may the gains be with you!

[@Rully30]

Powerfatties punching air right now

[@Cuwop2]

People need to take this to heart man 🙏

[@wlidbill5261]

flys on the floor works well after a floor chest presss

[@zakxtoten]

Another question, what 's the benefit bodybuilding? Train for functionality and athleticism, keep deadlifting.

[@TheDagon12]

The benefit is to look the best, not necessarily at the cost of functionality, but to prioritize the look of the muscle over its functionality

[@MrFaiton]

You have a better exercise for every muscle but how much time you have my boy. Manhood and strength good reasons to do it also.

[@bigcheddar9768]

Nothing else makes my back sore like the deadlift

[@johnscott3893]

Destroyed my back doing deadlifts years ago. Could probably have taken some training in how to perform even though technique was good. In the end was down to training on uneven gym floor one night and fact i noticed years later that my left leg is somewhat shorter than my right hence more of the load went through right side of spine where sustained first disk protrusion. If had spotted sooner could have invested in corrective orthotic which I now use performing all leg work to equalise the size of left quad with the right. The don'ts of deadlifts are, dont train to failure on every set, don't employ rest/pause and don't carry on once technique begins to fail, it is not a bodybuiling movement where one can cheat out extra reps in a safe manner.

[@danielnoonan6191]

Everything in my head says to stop doing them. But I just enjoy them sooooo much. 🤷🏼

[@warrenb243]

Don’t trust anyone saying deadlifts aren’t good for strength

[@nokiamobilrau]

Did you even read the video title?

[@MultiNudelauflauf]

He never said anything about strength so idk who you are talking about

[@irlshrek]

mark rippetoe says that these compound movements activate all of the relevant muscles in the correct proportions needed to optimize the movement. a movement which is very transferable.

[@traveling_feral]

My understanding is floor presses are more for getting past sticking points on bench press and lots of powerlifters use them successfully

[@roki4414]

Deadlift is one of the best exercises. Also this exercise is given for elder people or people after surgery to get back in shape, because it triggers almost every muscle and it is basic!

[@monz1117]

is not one of the best exercises. it is not basic at all as it requires tons of technique and practice. what makes you think you know more about exercise than this guy?

[@connorking984]

​@@monz1117"this guy" aka Dr Mike is a huge fan of deadlift it's just that they aren't great for getting "big". Great for lifestyle, strength, fun to do. But not for muscle size.

[@tractor7937]

@@monz1117deadlifts are very simple. It’s not like you’re learning how to figure skate or throw a discus or a fucking fast ball. It’s super simple. It is however one of the hardest exercises on the low back.

[@tractor7937]

@@connorking984I mean if you don’t control the eccentric to some degree or you don’t do enough volume, then yea it won’t work that great for hypertrophy. The same way that a concentric-only pin bench press for 3x3 at 85% won’t grow your chest.

[@monz1117]

@@tractor7937 if its so simple then how come so many people mess it up? a bicep curl is simple. deadlifts are not, you need to learn technique if you dont want to injure yourself, meanwhile with most exercises you can just start doing them and get results

[@amy3458]

As a figure athlete, I had the best body of my life doing deadlifts and straight-legged deadlifts on leg day. Wednesday, every week. LOVE ‘EM!!!

[@connorking984]

Stuff legged deadlift brought me to a higher plane of hamstring development, it's just, they're not great at targeting one muscle. Which doesn't matter unless that's what you want

[@AdventurousGainz]

Even without the stretch, and considering the fatigue. I really think the lift has value for all trainees, in the realms of total tension, and specifically developing the total body power out put and stamina systems.

[@Gainoffuntion]

I was literally wondering this a few minutes ago. Crazy

[@382u3uuej]

I love deadlifts for bodybuilding, but the difference in how I do them compared to most people is: - I train it once every 10 days (I learned that from Eddie Hall). - The deadlifts are on a deficit rather than conventional - I do a lot of sets rather than 3 (I work up to 8 sets as the mesocycle progresses) - When I get too weak to do more than 5 reps I take some weight off (a down set, this happens after 4 sets). Using all of these things makes it good for bodybuildng and I always make progress, the first session of the meso I do less reps, the second session I match my previous numbers and after that I progress, I haven't been stuck so far, If I was doing 3 sets of conventional deadlifts with very low reps then it wouldn't be as useful. Also regarding lower back pain, most people don't stretch their lower back at all and they don't decompress it, that is their issue rather than the exercise.

[@emanuele6610]

Damn the last part, I used to have intense low back pain and stopped doing deadlifts, then I bought a bar to hang at home every day, started hanging daily, especially after deadlift (and squats) and now I never have pain, I love hanging so much, it also fixed a good part of my shoulder pain

[@derekrodrigues6890]

@@emanuele6610how long do you hang for? I’m dealing with this issue from deadlifts too

[@emanuele6610]

@@derekrodrigues6890 I used to hang at least 3 mins a day, usually in sets of 1 minute or more(depending if I wanted to train the grip while decompressing the spine), and keeping the core relaxed, if you engage it it's not gonna stretch so kinda useless. I still hang daily but not as much as when I had pain. I'm no med tho so I can't promise it's gonna help, but in my case it definitely helped a lot

[@derekrodrigues6890]

@@emanuele6610 I’ll try this out

[@dwn2573]

Dead lifts (and squats) fixed my chronic back pain.

[@merogaro7197]

It will fix your back problems only if you have the perfect form and technique. Also never overtrain.

[@BillHesse]

I enjoy the blend of embracing and fearing the deadlift.

[@xbenxwilsonxhighlights7879]

The floor press is for building the sticking point of your bench.

[@danielsalmeron4283]

The fuck with the bots in the comments 😭

[@Shon52]

Bots keeping you big as hell

[@Greshgore]

I prefer the new ones to the ones constantly asking you to look at their profile photo, but they're still annoying.

[@Jack-st2tq]

Romanian deadlift supremacy 💯

[@arod6689]

Deadlift is a strength movement. The muscles just aren't getting enough of a stretch/contraction to promote gains at the rate of any exercise that does stretch. But if you combine it with a movement that does stretch it'll allow you to get slow but steady gains.

[@mrhyde2250]

Mike is very pro RDL and SLDL. Combine those with good mornings and leg curls….you’ll have a solid posterior chain.

[@sscswimmer1]

Baffling to me how you can list so many benefits to training a deadlift then get to the conclusion that they're bad.

[@zoli11]

It's a compound exercise. He's saying that for each component there are better, targeted exercises. He's talking for advanced level lifters here, with enough time on their hands, not average dudes.

[@jcmclovin77388]

He didn't say "bad" just "not as great."

[@maximkuleshov8852]

Did you actually watch the video before typing your comments? One more time - DL doesn't work muscles through their full ROM, which limits benefits. "YoU jUsT dEaDlIfT wRoNg" Lifting heavy with DL demands perfect form - slip up, and you're fucked. Just do RDL and GM instead, Jesus. Full ROM and nobody's fucked. "DL mAkEs Me BiG aNd StRoNg". Your dedication and consistency makes you big and strong (good job btw), not you stupid choice of exercises. Even less-than-ideal workouts can lead to gains if you're committed enough. Imagine how big you would be if you do the right thing. But yeah, I know, how else can you casually drop that you can lift a small car?

[@trevorthiessen6317]

When i played football in HS and college, we never did deadlifts. Squats and power cleans are what we did instead.

[@McDanMan84]

Agree 100%. Buttt full body movements like that are the best for keeping functionality and bone strength high. And you’ll hear people say it creates a strong base for the other muscles to grow around but I don’t really buy into that

[@paytonj2620]

I hate deadlifts. The risks to reward isn't worth it, and you get bigger with other lifts.

[@Verziroo]

Deadlifts are a strength exercise. I don’t know why people compare deadlifts to things like shrugs for instance, completely different objectives. Deadlifts undeniably grow your spinal erectors… better than other movements? Perhaps not, but in that case you should stop doing OHP and do lateral raises only instead. OHP and deadlifts are strength movements, bread and butter of IRL carry over along with farmer’s walks.

[@aca347]

you'd get crucified for saying this like a decade ago on the internet. back then nobody trained arms and everyone just did compounds. bodybuilders shaped their programs around deadlifts. also machines were regarded as the ultimate evil. now it's all about the deep stretch, controlled and technical isolation movements, being mindful of fatigue management, etc. I always said bodybuilders should stop training like powerlifters and got shat on for saying that. "bro you gotta lift heavy to get big, you can't lift heavy with lateral raises bro why don't you just do OHP for shoulders bro leg curl is for pussies bro" (I still do OHP btw but like 4 sets a week in total). 5x5 programs for people who are training for aesthetics, those were the days lol

[@michaelmanning7954]

This shows you dont know how tonlift DL properly. But, your last statement is correct if your goal is body building and not strength

[@goncalopereira8267]

Men just watch strongdeadlifters back density,its crazy

[@MRM.98]

@@aca347 agreed 100%. It’s about being able to lift till your old. As you get older you start to weigh the risk to reward with certain compound movements especially if you’re still trying to progressively overload. Mind you I still do majority of compound movements but not as frequent as I used to.

[@yws4645]

I love how deadlifts make me feel (and look)

[@MetalKvicken]

I love deadlift! You can do deadlift standing on plates...Good stretch. But its the overload of weight that you want.

[@wolfy9005]

Yeah going to the gym to do DLs right now, specificity for doing DLs is why I do them

[@hadesobsidian5231]

The posterior chain. The answer is the posterior chain. - My Highschool Basketball/weightlifting coach Terry Connelly. (RIP)

[@hurpaderpp]

Gotta keep this view, makes you look bigger

[@danielkinney5451]

I love how you break into humor. Animals gold platinum...no diamonds hahaha

[@RashidAlesgerov]

I had lower back issues since I was a teenager, not to mention due to my job, it wss getting worse. The moment I started to do deadlifts and RDLs, those back pains went away quickly. Yes, they're taxing exercises but they're worth it.

[@AmazingSurrogats]

I do hear about deadlifts. And really I try to do them every time. Also squads. But I ve after them backache for days. No matter how low the weights are.

[@stuartlawler2411]

Uf you donfloor press with a kettlebell...you will never go back as the tension is to the outside, making it a press but with the resistance of a fly

[@sandysarker]

Deadlift is basically a strength exercise. Strength of both body and mind, it tests your character. It tests how far you can push your nervous system, since the combo of muscles can lift great weights.

[@1wisestein]

Yeah but for newbies and novices, they don’t need that complicated body split, nothing beats the deadlift & squat for that group of trainees.

[@KoOkiEzRoCkz]

Me who has never dabbled in bodybuilding and probably will never, slouching at my desk: “Yes, I concur”

[@todds543]

80% of the muscles in 1 exercise sounds great. Not bad.

[@rickandreae3943]

Its for the total muscle activation and balance

[@msxmgd]

Gold platinum diamond my man just remembered all the skill tiers above him

[@Dirty5420]

For me my Upper back & hamstrings gets a good blast out of deadlifts.

[@soumilsingh2047]

Hey, I do think that there's some truth that we can train each muscle separately for more stimulus however we can't say there would be less fatigue because to train each muscle separately we need a hell lot of exercises for ex to replace deadlift you would have to do 1 RDL for hams glutes , for quads you would need another exercise, for overloading traps with weighted stretch you will need another exercise and for lats mid back another exercise and for core too sure you could do all these exercises for more stimulus but fatigue of doing all these exercises would be greater than doing deadlift alone . So for greater stimulus we would require more fatigue ( I'm talking about Overall fatigue on the body weekly fatigue) So there's no best answer do what you like if one has less time sure do deadlifts until you're mentally dead .

[@calebnewell5032]

No, you’re incorrect. What Dr. Mike said is absolutely true. You don’t get much systemic fatigue AT ALL from hamstring curls, leg extensions, calve extensions, shrugs, or back extensions. You get a decent amount of fatigue from leg press, but still not quite the amount you’d get from deadlifts and you can squeeze a lot more juice out of them and dial in on the quads and glutes. The accumulative fatigue from doing literally all of those exercises in one workout, probably still wouldn’t even be the same as if you’d just done deadlifts and nothing else. If your goal is to build muscle, you want to minimize systemic fatigue as much as possible, so that you’re only waiting on the targeted area to heal, rather than the entire body. This is why body builders typically break up their training into splits, such as: push, legs, pull. Breaking up your training into a split optimally limits systemic fatigue, because your body’s healing is staggered throughout the week. I’ve anecdotally cut deadlifts completely out of my mesocycles, and traded them for leg curls (because I was doing stiff legged dead lifts for my hamstrings). The trade off is that I can optimally target hamstrings on the same day that I put everything I’ve got into leg pressing, or hack squatting. Even still, there’s never been a single leg day, that’s prevented me from being ready for back day, the following day. If I conventional deadlifted, I’d probably need at least 2 rest day, plus my overall output would be noticeably limited, on anything else I tried to do that week, much less that day, until my entire body recovered.

[@daywalker3735]

Oh thank God.....i can finally go back to just doing my cable crossover curls until infinity

[@MrThule]

If you look what movements are most useful, then you lookin at deadlift. You can train the muscles better by doing combination of other movements, but you also need to train the nervous system to do the thing needed

[@detachedloop1004]

I only see it as a strength specific movement. There's way better things out there that you can do if you want to work specifically on the muscles

[@psycold]

I'm almost 41 and have only been doing strength training for 2 years. I stopped doing deadlifts about 6 months ago because I'm still too much of an amateur and too impatient to have good form, and too stubborn to lower the weight, so I always would end up hurting myself. I found other ways to target the same muscles without the damage, and at my age I would rather take my time and do extra reps/sets from a variety of exercises instead of risk damage that ends up forcing me to skip workouts. That being said, I do miss deadlifts.

[@anthonyromayo6296]

Deadlifts and full range barbell bent rows is how I built my back.

[@PlayaflyJoe27]

I enjoy the fatigue and the strength gains that come with conventional deadlifts. Rdl is great but I beat tf outta my hamstrings when I do them. Takes me about 9 days to recover from em😩😫