Should You Game On A HD CRT? (Sony KD-34XBR960)

[@emmettturner9452]

The KV-34XBR910 is the exact same as the KD-34XBR960 except: 1) DVI instead of HDMI 2) No CableCARD 3) Does not accept MemoryStick Pro Duo without an adapter A couple notes: CableCARD is all the stuff cable companies use to uniquely authorize a cable box, except in modular form so that you can stick it in your fancy HDTV TV… the digital equivalent of a “Cable-ready TV” that doesn’t require renting a cable box. It was also useful if you brought your own cable box, like a digital HD TiVo, and didn’t want to pay to rent one from the cable co. Unfortunately, they charged almost as much for the CableCARD as they did for you to rent a cable box. iLink is just Sony’s marketing name for mini IEEE 1394 FireWire. Lots of digital camcorders and even the PlayStation 2 had it. Pioneer and others were pushing IEEE 1394 as the standard digital video interface over DVI/HDMI but it didn’t work out. I’m guessing Sony only has it to connect their digital camcorders for playback, hence why it is only on the front. The KV-34XBR910 and the KD-34XBR960 have the exact same SFP tube. The XBR970 switched to an inferior Taiwanese-produced tube. I’m the original owner of an XBR910, albeit, the 30” version that they discontinued for the XBR960 series. Back in 2003 I went with the KV-30XBR910 because many on AVSForum were reporting discoloration on the larger tubes that were supposedly due to the size making it difficult to keep the aperture grille aligned (green blobs). It’s also technically the highest DPI of any tube Sony ever produced, since it’s smaller but with the same resolution. It doesn’t like HiDef NES (640x480 only), UltraHDMI, or PC due to really sensitive timings but it still gets “WOW!”s every time someone sees it.

[@emmettturner9452]

A couple more notes: I’m not sure the MemoryStick slot is actually “Pro.” It’s probably just a combo for standard-size and Duo in the same slot. Non-“Pro” Duo is a thing. ;) Both full size and Duo fit without adapters in the one slot on a 960 while my 910 only fits full size without a Duo adapter. I believe mine also supports a maximum capacity of 128MB, which is why Lexar made a 256MB MemoryStick with a switch that could select between two 128MB banks. This is the one I bought to use between my Sony MPD-AP20U and my XBR910, but perhaps the limitation was more about the MPD-AP20U. I recall it being the TV tho’. Because they supposedly only updated the physical slot, the 960 may also be limited to 128MB. I paid $2,300 at Circuit City and got a $200 “merchandise card” (gift card) and they threw in the official stand for free. Basically, their agreement with Sony meant that they couldn’t reduce the $2,300 MSRP but they could throw all kinds of other incentives at you. ;) I believe the matching stand was a $300 value. Of course, the 34” version would’ve cost more but maybe not by the time the 960 replaced it. The only other XBR I ever bought at MSRP was a KDL-52XBR2 LCD from Best Buy Magnolia Home Theater. Due to a similar agreement with Sony I had to pay the full $5,000 MSRP even though it was open box and incomplete (missing the remote/stand). I did get a $1,200 gift card though and it was ISV-certified/calibrated by their Magnolia HT techs. ;)

[@bsanchez3563]

What is the size of capacity for memory sticks as the KV32Hv600 I recall had stated in the manual Up to and including 128mb

[@bsanchez3563]

Oh also all KD starting models have digital antenna capability meaning any antenna you used will work with post mid 09 or 2009 mid year broadcasts of atsc nature vs analog ntsc (national television system(s?) Committee vs Advanced television systems committee) so you can watch free to view ota or over the air tv stations such as your pbs station or if you also are fortunate enough I guess to have 2 stations of pbs in your area then that would also work just as an example of what you would use such a tuner for although unless you solely use said tv set and not an other tv for non videogames then I would recomend nit waisting the lifespan of such a high end set on average tv use etc

[@bsanchez3563]

KV starting models have an ANALOG tuner in them so you know the type of tuner from the model number and genrally or at least occasionally the type of tech the tv is ie LCd sets are a KVL for analog (obviously going to be only a model number assigned to the early 00s sets pre 2007 bush administration mandate for all future and then as of 2k&7 model year of tv and other tv devices ie a vcr or dvd recorder etc equipped with a tuner must be analog AND digital tuner equipped not just analog or else it must be digital tuner equipped) no longer limited to being a rule for larger than say 27 inch or 29/30 inch models and up in screen size was around 2004 model uear era onwards was the case until said 2007 requirement..anyways ueah so thus a KDL model tv is a digital compatible LCD type of tv wether dorect view or rptv using an lcd tech inside of it...

[@bsanchez3563]

Likewise if you have a plasma wega ie a sony branded plasma display panel then it generally starts with "KE" not kd or kv etc

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

Theoretically, the high quality HD-CRTs are the best possible screen to play a handful of late original Xbox games on. There's 47 original Xbox games that support BOTH Native 'True' Widescreen and 720p quality (and 6 of those also support 1080i). However there's no native(unmodded/unconverted) digital output on the original Xbox and the games were designed with the CRT look in mind. So something like "MX vs. ATV Unleashed" should be at it's best possible native quality on one of these played with the HD AV Pack official cables on Widescreen and 1080i or 720P mode. I'd love to see it tested

[@sos.gamers]

I have a Philips DWIDE, it's SD but I love this wide CRT, geometry is perfect, flat screen, great for PS1 and up

[@emmettturner9452]

FYI: iLink is Sony’s miniature FireWire connector. IEEE1394 FireWire was once competing with DVI and HDMI to be the digital Hi-Def standard, so those probably work like extra digital inputs. Only devices I know of that ever used it for a digital output were miniDV cameras but there might be a DVD player or two. AFAIK, the PlayStation 2 only used it for networking.

[@RemoWilliams1227]

Interesting. I never knew firewire was a display cable. I thought it was just for faster data transfer at the time.

[@laserfights]

I didn't know that either, but I've heard people refer to Thunderbolt as the spiritual successor to FireWire, so that makes sense

[@emmettturner9452]

@@laserfights Yeah, by the time HDMI rolled around it was far behind DVI. IIRC, Pioneer was the one pushing it the hardest while even Sony was doing DVI then HDMI. Everyone I knew with a pre-HDMI HDTV with a digital input had a DVI port, though we all knew the future format was undecided. All the tech mags would go on and on about how early adopters might get locked out of future HD content if their pick didn’t become the standard with HDCP. Obviously, DVI can carry HDCP but FireWire didn’t have never used it for miniDV/DV link. I wonder if it was even possible.

[@ClosestNearUtopia]

Firewire was used for D-VHS running 1080i.

[@jdla140]

Cool video, but you seem to be using confusing input lag and response time as the same thing. Input lag is how long it takes for a signal to be displayed, response time is more so the amount of time it takes for a pixel to actually change when there is a change. A poor response time leads to lots of motion blur, ALL CRT's, HD or not, have an instantaneous response time. As soon as the gun scans the phosphors again, it changes. Some HD CRT's (basically all sony's) do some image processing (as you found out) which introduces a lag between when the signal is sent and when it is displayed. Your testing coincides exactly with mine, on a KDP-65WS550. 720P is 20 MS mid screen, 1080i is 30. not ideal, as 720P doesn't look great at 65 inches. There are service menu settings you can change which disable image processing at 1080i on the XBR960, making it very very close to lag free.

[@mirek190]

lol You clearly see HDMI on analog input has the same lag .... big lag on that old timer screen.

[@marshmower]

Any digital input requires a cpu which has lag. It adds processing time. The bits cannot go directly on to the screen. 😘

[@lalotime]

So it is possible to have it at 1080i lag free for modern gaming? Sorry I'm not the brightest I'm wanting to buy an HD CRT for PC gaming. I prefer the colors and brightness of CRTs so I'm trying to find the best quality one

[@mirek190]

@@lalotime CRT is not bright ....

[@lalotime]

@@mirek190 dude you are getting mad at people for not knowing every inch of a crt. Please get a life

[@Adabulldoya]

It’s crazy I had a great flatscreen lg tv from 2006. Must’ve been one of the first I guess. Picture was always great. Was a gift from my uncle when he got a new one. I would’ve still been using it as a spare today if I didn’t bump it into the garage door carrying it to my truck

[@SodaGumX]

Have this tv. Since 2005 always wondered what its input lag was used it for like 15 years for games

[@theemulationportal]

Think my issue with a HD CRT is that if you want the best TV to play PS3/Xbox 360/ Wii era games than a Plasma is just better no? Native 720p, slightly lower input lag on good models, less bulky/heavy, cheaper/easier to find and they still have fantastic motion clarity. Maybe I'm missing something though haha I've just been thinking about whether I want a HD CRT or a Plasma...

[@laserfights]

i’ve never had plasma, how does it handle resolution scaling?

[@realamericannegro977]

I herd plasmas heats up the room. We had some at an old job and they were hot up close

[@F0CKSTR0T]

Plasma IS the way to go in my opinion. However like LCD, no set is native 1280x720. My 37" Panasonic is 1024x720 with its rectangluar pixels but most "720p" plasmas are 1366x768. Still, it's the best way to go for PS3/360/Wii U. For Wii I have a 480p widescreen plasma. This CRT would also be perfect for the Wii. I have a 4:3 HD Wega for Xbox, Gamecube, and the handful of PS2 games that support 480p.

[@ClosestNearUtopia]

Actually internal resolutions are higher on most crts. Some rendered almost to a 1220P or 1440p whereby some lines were lost due to overscan. Due to slight image blending and the scanlines, it gives also u beatable depth perception and smooth finish of the video signal, almost no need for anti-aliassing. Giving retro consoles a huge advantage on a CRT, also the motion clarity is unbeaten. Even by a 200HZ modern monitor. But they are getting close.

[@dirty_tuna]

I've heard if you go into the service menu and change the HDPT and YOSW settings to 0 that it will make 1080i/540p sources near lagless. I own the exact set but not a time sleuth. Would you be willing to test this out at some point and upload a follow up video?

[@laserfights]

i would be willing to test it out. I assume i would need a converter for signals not at 1080i though, right?

[@dirty_tuna]

@@laserfights Not sure if anything exists to convert signals to 1080i specifically, but I use a retrotink5x to get all my retro consoles scaled to 540p. I believe it works kind of like how 240p/480i process similarly.

[@MaxBoomingHere]

I saw a video about making hdtv lag less and it also said to change the MIDE to 63

[@BahnYuki]

Just hit HDPT... The other settings don't matter. You should make a follow up video. You don't want to be labeled for misinformation.

[@Prisoner_X]

@@laserfights AT-HD-SC-500?

[@loganbr98]

I just found the version with DVI in. But it sucks I have to wait for a degausser because the colors are messed up in the corners.

[@davidpellman8157]

I have a Toshiba 32 inch HD CRT. The composit inputs show 576i when I check the settings. I absolutely love playing the old consoles on it. It seems like the SMS was built with this TV in mind. I have never detected any lag of any kind. I have even played Mike Tyson's punch out on it. My actual LCD in my living room is terrible with old consoles. It runs HD content through the HDMI port at 720i. The mini consoles are at home on this TV. Never detected any lag on them either. However, my Super NT Mini will not work through the HDMI port. I bought a HDMI to composite down scaler and it works perfectly with it. I'm guessing that this is an analouge HDTV. I read that there are a few of them out there. I can't find any information on the TV any where. So, that is my guess.

[@Red05x]

Wow, that's Great! Shall we have a Review about New Consoles on this HD CRT? From PS3, X360 to New Gen? I've seen a LOT of videos about this HD CRT and ALL people mentioned Input LAG but you're the first I've found who actually properly mentioned AND measured. Now that we know about Input LAG, what about Picture quality?

[@laserfights]

Glad you found the video helpful. I think that's a great idea, I might just do a video showing off Ps1 to Ps5

[@emmettturner9452]

The problem with PS3 games is that the console had no hardware scaler so most HD games supported one HD resolution or the other, meaning 720p or 1080i. You didn’t exactly get your choice. It was even worse for most HD CRTs since they typically only supported one HD resolution and if that wasn’t the one your PS3 game had it would get knocked down to 480i/p. This wasn’t a problem for Blu-Ray since the playback software actually could scale it but that wasn’t happening with games since the CPU was obviously busy running the game.

[@bsanchez3563]

12:55 nahh cause those 00s tv sets are just so spicy ykwis like even with a slight amount of higher input lag it would be so awesome to use plus the size is pretty wide of an array so from at least as small as a 13? Imch tv to about a 40 inch ( "Latin North" as quoted from the service menu so not certain what regions exactly that it ,eans by that are pr well would have or at least were prppossed to be released as big as a 42 inch screen size diagonal measured model specifically the Kv42drc if I recall from the list of about 12 or 16 different tv sets from about 20? Or 26 inch to 40 for "Hawaii" and "Us" and "Cnd" obviously latter one is canada... "Destination" models so I read specifically for purposes of the kv32hv600 (an improvement based upon peeps apparently not wanting always to be given drc or digital reality creation applied to their images... such as specifcially line doubling or else "Clarity×Reality" adjustments etc from a KVxxHS500 being a pre KVxxHV600 model so same but slight cjange to address complaints of customers etc or critiques both in either the 2002 model uear or else 2002 AND the latter of the 2001 model year oh also Dvi was added obviously for the compliance of the dvi function being part of most 2002 to 2004 then 2004 onwards using HDMI so digital video AND sound onwards to present with minor tweaks over time added to increase varjous finctions such as adding 3d for somebody if they can see 3d or have even vision in botj eyes that also woshed to use it but that kind of never really to my knowleadge took off exactly enough to stay relevant... it was around 2013 ish when curves became all of a sudden a lg and samsung tv thing (twist that tiem was the IN facing curves not the OUT faced screens of the lower end albeit lighter front and more back/rear heavy types of "Fishbowl" tubes for displays of the lower end and or smaller less expensive to acqiire models of direct view at least.. crt sets of the 00s and near all of the pre 00s sets startng in the 30s or so when mechanical tv became obsolete or surpassed

[@dangr3957]

My Samsung hd crt has the best response in 1080i but after a hdmi doctor dongle on hdmi the response is better then compo in any resolution.

[@babixillo]

exactly what i'm looking for! thanks! how this result compares to a pc crt? are those zero lag?

[@deckofcards87]

I do miss the scanline and contrast effect of crts, but that's kind of it really. My 2004 Panasonic plasma has all of these inputs and seems to have zero input lag with analogue consoles when set to game mode - everything from the SNES all the way up to the Sega Dreamcast looks terrific. Picture wise, composite looks best though. Because once I push the resolution and clarity any higher than 480i things look jaggy and terrible.

[@laserfights]

i can’t speak on plasmas as i don’t have much experience but the way resolution scaling (more so on hd crt and crt monitor, not much of that for a 480i display) and motion clarity is handled by crts is the biggest thing i miss when using my new tv. my lg cx has black frame insertion but it just isn’t the same.

[@laserfights]

also thumbs up for composite, strangely underrated in the space imo

[@deckofcards87]

@@laserfights Agreed. For systems like the Saturn and ps1, I especially like composite...It smooths out the the jaggy graphics with, ironically, blurry distortion. If I had a crt however I'd consider stepping it up to s-video or scart.

[@Red05x]

@@laserfights Hey, Do You have a BFI OLED??? What about Motion Resolution vs. Your HD CRT TV?

[@plecebomc]

Neat video ilink was for communication with cam corders and that's also the main reason Sony put memory stick slots on the TV's for a bit. Cable card is really neat and it's a crying shame it was never really pushed more. Basically if you had a cable TV subscription instead of asking the cable company to rent a cable box, you just ask for the cable subscription card. Cable boxes used these same cards, it's a decryption / account key card. So basically if you plugged a cable card into your TV, your TV could access all the encrypted cable network channels on your paid account removing the need for a cable box!! Cable companies didn't like tv's to have this cause they couldn't rent you decryption set top boxes

[@SodaGumX]

Did you turn off all the video processing features for the input lag test?

[@laserfights]

it's been awhile but if i remember correctly i did not, and i believe you can see that in the difference between 720p and 1080i.

[@Letfordlay]

Ive had an RCA D34W20 since 2002 and it is fantastic. It supports 1080i over a DVI connection. My only gripe is that time hasn't been friendly to it. The right speaker went out around 3 to 4 years ago and all the front panel buttons seem to either not work correctly and will trigger other buttons. I want to turn the volume down and It ends up changing the input or opens the menu for example. I recently replaced all the capacitors in my Atari Race Drivin's monitor so I feel confident doing it on my HD CRT but I haven't gotten around to it quite yet.

[@laserfights]

that’s awesome

[@BehrouzKashkar]

dude you are becoming a professional

[@laserfights]

haha thanks im working on it

[@BehrouzKashkar]

@@laserfights i mean with that thing for lag testing and stuff ! you are killing it , i think better shots with various game test like og xbox games and ps3 games is a good idea , like playing through games for a while ,but as you said camera doesn't do justice for crts

[@segasdreamer]

I have the XBR970 and it's barebones in features. The PCM/ Dolby Digital out was for satellite signals so I can't run my consoles through HDMI and pass the DD signal to a surround sound receiver. It also goes 1080i, but I still just use 720p because I think the screen's too small to notice a clarity difference.

[@Schwarzorn]

Should your consoles be going to your AV unit, not your TV? Then only the video would be sent to the TV, and the audio would go to the surround sound stuff. Plus then you could have multiple things with HDMI hooked up at the same time instead of just one. The Toslink Out would be nice, tho, if you have Component Video or S Video plugged into the TV. ...But you say it only works for satellite?? 😱

[@realamericannegro977]

1080i is more crisp and fits more on screen

[@bsanchez3563]

​@@Schwarzorn wait even the 27 or if existant smaller sizes? Or just the 30 and 34 or even 36 if existant sizes of whatever model number you are talking about?

[@Schwarzorn]

@@bsanchez3563 Hm... I'm not sure. Sorry. :(

[@Superbad22]

I just bought an hd crt today. I really don’t notice any input lag for anything right now.

[@DrRyan82994]

i’m getting a square one of these for free. the wide looks cool, but i’m pretty excited. seems like a great choice for modern retro. so hooking up the steam deck will be fun oh it’s a kd-32xs945 i can’t seem to get a lot of info on the differences between the models. it really just looks like this one but square

[@steammate4140]

I found my Panasonic Tau 26” HDCRT for 20$ at a second hard store, and I’ve never seen a working one pop up ever again. Still works with the remote

[@realamericannegro977]

When did you find yours?

[@crteaser9726]

This is exactly what I keep telling people that 480p and 720p is where these sets shine. people just feed it the wrong signals. you can't expect a flat panel to work well just plugged in with a 240p/480 I these are the same. using them correctly with the resolution it works with they are great. people just constantly talk down on them so most just end up in the bin unfortunately.

[@kekethetoad]

It scales 720p to 1080i though....

[@Red05x]

@@kekethetoad I have read about that. But then, why is 720p faster than 1080i itself?

[@kekethetoad]

@@Red05x could be the input method

[@keaton718]

Laserfights must have the coolest house in the world full of the best stuff.

[@bsanchez3563]

What is a herretic?

[@treebobjoe]

My parents paid like $3,000 for this TV. It was their first HDTV and they were sold on the idea that tubes could be replaced, where plasma or LCD screens would need to be replaced entirely.

[@Misigun99]

2:36 not composite but rather component inputs

[@laserfights]

yes thank you

[@carlosjuniorfox]

Those "Ilink" connections are indeed FireWire 400 ports. Those were intended to connect digital camcorders using tapes like mini DV or Super 8.

[@sadaghian]

Don't forget the amazing digital 8!

[@SalveMonesvol]

Hey, have you tested with a high speed camera to see if 720p is actually drawing all 720 lines or converting to 1080i? Because most people say it converst to 1080i but your results suggest otherwise.

[@laserfights]

unfortunately i dont have a high speed camera, but i plan on doing a follow up with some tweaked settings to see how the numbers change

[@SalveMonesvol]

@@laserfights Some high end phones record up to 960fps @720p, maybe yours does.

[@F0CKSTR0T]

I likely downscales to 540p. Just like 480p content actually upscales to 540p on HD sets. 480p is close enough that it looks perfect to me but I'm not so sure HD CRTs are the way to go with the PS360 generation.

[@AMPTechGrade]

CableCARD lets you get your premium cable TV channels without a cablebox, cheap as hell to rent from the cable company, wish you paid for cable TV, would love to see a cablecard in action. The Control S in/out are for Sony VHS and DVD as a way to turn the TV on/off and switch input when a casette or DVD is inserted.

[@fmbroadcast]

Woooow beautiful 😍😍😍 I want this CRT

[@BahnYuki]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnWvgqV9gKqhjKs This TV is lagless at 1080i. You need to enable HDPT in the service menu.

[@laserfights]

will likely do a follow up exploring this. thank you

[@SlickEd91]

I own this tv and I play retro and modern games and I never felt input lag

[@swardmusic]

U won't remember what its supposed to be like untill u play on a SD set

[@Schwarzorn]

@@swardmusic I dunno, I think I do remember. For years I've struggle with old games I used to be great at. Like Kick Climbing in Super Metroid, and Bomb Jumping. I was a pro at it. But not anymore. ...Till I got a Sony WEGA. Not this one exactly, but still has an HDMI port. And I'm even playing it emulate on my Super NES Mini, and yet I can finally play as well as I used to.

[@swardmusic]

@@Schwarzorn feels even better non hdmi

[@Leppy0014]

Hi Laserfights, what brand of analog converter did you to use to connect the Time Sleuth to the CRTs? I'm having trouble finding a reliable, lagless HDMI to component converter.

[@laserfights]

I believe it was this one amzn.to/3fAyGJk

[@thongquehanoi]

but there is widescreen crt's some can have 1080p, samsung also made a few rare 2k crts?

[@laserfights]

There are some crazy specs on some PC CRT monitors, but they are pretty rare and expensive

[@timothywells8040]

So, your recommendation for PS3 or Xbox 360 games would be a 720p setting?

[@laserfights]

different situations could call for different things, but generally id say go with 720p

[@bit-ishbulldog2089]

Progressive scan is always going to be better than interlaced. 240p is better than 480i. Progressive is a cleaner and a more stable image. CRT or LCD! Most games from the PlayStation 2 era only run in 480i, some 240p. 240p is what I prefer. 720p is better than 1080i..

[@bit-ishbulldog2089]

This CRT is basically the same as my really old SONY LCD, KDL-32V4000. It has RGB, S-video, composite, Component, RF, VGA and HDMI. I have a CRT in my setup that has RGB, S-video, composite, RF. Both of my screens are perfect for classic gaming. I mainly use the CRT for the older stuff like PS2, PS1, SEGA consoles, Commodore 64 etc. But still runs and looks good on the LCD with the correct input's.

[@Red05x]

Well, you're not correct. LCD has NOTHING to do (even today) vs a HD CRT TV or even a CRT TV. Besides color, contrast and brightness, Motion Resolution is unbeatable. Many. MANY people has the wrong idea that looks similar but we have to remember that we are talking about VIDEO, not still pictures. There are many Motion Resolution videos over Internet, I suggest to to watch them on ANY LCD, LED or even OLED and then, on a Plasma Display or even better, on a CRT TV. Well, OLED with BFI it seems that looks a LOT better than before... So, maybe we can say "OLEDs without BFI".

[@creativestrokez3840]

I like HD CRT TVs better than flat screens. The only drawback is their weight.

[@swardmusic]

How often are you carrying it?

[@stpierreorama]

​@@swardmusicjust moving it once is a hassle.

[@LIMuscleBlackdevil]

So you can't buy a time sleuth anymore?

[@laserfights]

not that im aware of, but it is open source if you wanted to make one

[@haloharry97]

I picked my self up a 480i Widescreen 50hz/60hz set non of the stupid 100+hz Set. it is perfect for everything. if i want the sharpness of HDTV sets, i mint as well go with a Oled.

[@Greenchrysopsaro]

I thought S-Video could only do up to 480i

[@sppspharmdude]

How heavy is it?

[@laserfights]

i havent personally weighed it, but it is apparently 196 lbs. it is massive. like you need to really respect the size in your setup in terms of placement and furniture you have it on or someone could get really hurt

[@destintosell5548]

Do light guns still work on HD CRTs?

[@laserfights]

i do not believe out of the box that they will. any of the tricks you could use to get them working on a modern tv via hd should work. check out lightguns with the retrotink 5x for example there is also apparently a way to disable a lot of processing on this hd crt and that might work but im not sure, i dont know if the issue is the response time or something different. i havent ever disabled the processing or whatever the method is (all of this is just normal settings, no special dev remote or etc), but i believe you have to upscale the image to 1080i if you do and in that case the upscale would probably mess with it.

[@robitaillecopeland1996]

no HD CRT output 720p. It can take those signals but will either upscale to 1080i or downscale to 480p. So those PS3 games shown at 720p were actually in 1080i in all likelihood. The best uses for a widescreen HD CRT are for widescreen Wii games (DK Country Returns, NSMB Wii, Super Mario Galaxy 1&2, Metroid Prime, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sports Resort, Legend of Zelda TP and SS, etc) because you're getting a one to one 480p in and out. It's the best the game can look and run including modern TVs. The PS2 and OG Xbox each had several dozen games that ran in widescreen 480p and each had a handful that ran in 1080i so for these games a HD CRT would work brilliantly. Pretty much every Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii U game will need some scaling involved, up from 720p to 1080i or down from 1080p to 1080i which is why Plasma and LCD televisions was the way to go for that generation

[@laserfights]

i do believe that this is native 1080i. that being said, it still has settings or etc that make it lag more than 720p in my tests

[@laserfights]

why would you use ps2 and xbox at 1080i but not ps3 and xbox 360? do you personally prefer lcd for that generation or are you just speaking about the public shifting away from crts?

[@robitaillecopeland1996]

​@@laserfights I believe in order for your TV and the other few HD CRTs that accept and display 720p you have to use the analog input (component) as they don't do 720p via HDMI. I shouldn't have but I assumed you were playing Infamous 2 on your PS3 via HDMI which is why I said no HD CRT can do 720p so I just want to clarify. If you ARE using component, and I believe Infamous 2 is 720p, you're getting 720p out of that tv and it must look glorious and would look better than if it's being upscaled to 1080i which might also be the reason why lag is slightly worse. You have the holy grail of HD CRT. I have a 34" Panasonic Tau that is a definite step down from that but still amazing. I had the XBR970 I found for $10 at a thrift shop but sold it when I realized it didn't have the same tech as the far superior 960 and wasn't any better than my Panasonic. I thought, of course it must be better than the 960 it has a higher number!!

[@laserfights]

@@robitaillecopeland1996 i plan on doing a follow up video on the crt soon. if you have anything you want me to look at, please lemme know. already going to look at messing with HDPT

[@dubson965]

@@robitaillecopeland1996 what makes this set better than your tau? i think it may have less lag than this set?

[@jakesmith5278]

My mom actually has this same model for her to watch her old VHS and DVD movies/TVshows.

[@douglas77scott]

I had one, miss it. Played wii and ps3 on it.

[@FLEXMASTEROFFICIAL]

awesome video! I Subbed i wish i can find this tv i always tho HDMI CRT was a fake thing but this video made me shack I hope u can tell me where u found this tv i will catch it xd

[@laserfights]

i spent a few months looking on facebook marketplace before i found one, and then i had to drive a few hours to get it lol

[@Dance4lifeBR]

I'd love one of these to play my old videogames hehe =/

[@TheAcadianGuy]

720p is the sweet spot

[@badreality2]

No shit, the analog input that is labelled for progressive scan, is the first one that accepts it (480p). @ 9:32

[@badreality2]

...the same input also lists 720p as acceptable, on the rear of the tv @ 9:32, and @ 10:20 you are surprised that it does... *facepalm*

[@laserfights]

@@badreality2 im talking about the Time Sleuth freaking out whenever I had been changing the resolution, not the tv itself lol

[@freebee95553]

Go to the service menu, then find HDPT and change it from 1 to 0 and that will turn off the 1080i processing reducing lag from 33.00 to 0.78 for 1080i inputs. You are welcome.

[@laserfights]

I'll look into it. Thanks!

[@freebee95553]

@@laserfights keep in mind it works best for component 1080i instead of HDMI input.. it will still work for HDMI but could have some weird things happening. Also this only works for 1080i inputs and not the 720 480. In conjunction you could use a retrotink 5x with the new OS update to display 540p for every consoles on your HDCRT 1080i input basically zero lag with a CRT scanline simulator haha on a HDCRT and it looks amazing. Or you could just game everything on full 1080i which is basically 1080p with the HDPT set to (0) and have retrotink simulated CRT scan lines on a 1080 res Image for 240 or 480 contents with zero blacks bars which I prefer since I have the holy grail of all HDCRT SonKV27HS420 4/3 ratio unit. So basically I am gaming on 4/3 HDCRT at full 1080p res zero lag 0.78 with retrotink 5x simulated CRT scan lines with zero black bars.

[@laserfights]

@@freebee95553 ah i think i remember not messing with this much because the sources I wanted to use were in 720. That retrotink setup does sound really nice though, I might have to play around with mine some now

[@freebee95553]

@@laserfights until a year ago HDCRT would have been considered the worst crt to play retro game on it. But once people on Reddit found out you could turn off the 1080i processor and basically have 1080p open source in conjunction with retrotink you basically now have the best retro gaming display even faster than SD crts.

[@bsanchez3563]

Oh man infamous is such a great game so is infamous 2 man no joke

[@mr.electronx9036]

It's a shame they didn't sell those one in EU...

[@bsanchez3563]

Only Xbox and ps2 do 720p or 1080i respeticvely from the 6th gen as far as hdtv videogames etc from the 6th gen consoles whereas dc is svideo or else 480p by a vga out... or else gamecube nintendo is also 480p albeit by either component video or else a japanese region only "d terminal"

[@nunomoniz3788]

I wanted this for of xbox

[@marshmower]

It is not the same. I brought my Sega in a circuit City back in 2004ish. I got many smiles. Sonic is the best way to check for lag. The console has none and the signal was composite. I'm guessing that everything had to be converted to digital first because the game sucked ass and I was not amused and never looked back. We are used to twice or three times the lag as back in the analog days. It could make you a better gamer if you ever go back.

[@josephaltman460]

1990s meets 2010s

[@LucasDaRonco]

Short answer: no

[@gayvendab6670]

Lucky bastard, I've been looking for one of these forever, they're like a white whale to me lol.

[@laserfights]

haha yeah i had to drive a few hours for it but im very happy with it

[@keithblume5159]

what is it worth? I bought one new and still have it. I'm in Ohio near Cleveland

[@gayvendab6670]

@@keithblume5159 depends on whether or not the seller is overpricing because "rare retro gaming CRT!!" But I wouldn't pay more than 150

[@keithblume5159]

@@gayvendab6670 I appreciate the response. I have someone in mind that will appreciate it more than I will.

[@laserfights]

@@keithblume5159 it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. i got mine for about 150 but ive seen people try to get them for several hundred. i think it's all just timing and location sensitive.