Should You Skip a 400cc Bike as a Beginner?

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[@michaellowell4115]

So I’m teetering between husky vitpilen 401/701 a suzuki sv650… which to choose

[@carlosx5077]

Importante question I heard 250cc,400and 450cc are more dangerous then 600cc the specific reason since it lacks in power when u need it ???

[@TremereTT]

I'm 45. Is a BMW R1200GS a good first bike? I mean it has all the assistent-systems for safety right? I'm a beginner in the sense that I did ride a Yamaha RD 80 LC (official 9.8PS official 80km/h)...back when these kind of bikes existed and I was 16.

[@ARC-4824]

I started on a Ninja 400, the best decision I ever made, and still considering keeping it when I get my 2nd bike. It's just a fun bike.

[@Ninja-400-girl]

Im with you on that!

[@dawnscragg9513]

Totally agree, I have the 400and 650 and plan on keeping them both even though I now have the 636 as well

[@leospeeds500]

Keep it, I plan on keeping my Rebel 500 when I get another type of bike. I like variety

[@ARC-4824]

@@dawnscragg9513 I wish I could have 3 bikes I will be getting a CBR 600rr soon, I want to keep my 400 but if I can't it will go to a friend at least.

[@ARC-4824]

@@leospeeds500 Exactly, its just fun to ride different bikes. thats why I want to be able to keep my 400, get a 600 then a grom as well. Whatever I feel like that day then that is what I'll ride.

[@dukie1616]

No, I started on a Busa and now I’m a high-speed 178mph wheelie champion. God bless America🫡🇺🇸

[@AdamKipling-vc1oh]

Booo wendy testaburger boo....boo wendy

[@chudleyflusher7132]

I wouldn’t skip the lower displacement. I started on a 350 and that was enough for the next 30 years until today. All my bikes have had small engines and, considering my riding style-on the road, within the law for the most part-I never reached their riding limits. And I’ve always had plenty of fun.

[@gandhiwitcrocks4946]

Bro does light of trails 🤣

[@RARufus]

This! There’s really no need to get a large displacement engine if you’re riding within reasonable limits of the law, unless you’re tracking it. As far as I’m concerned it’s a waste of money. Same with cars that go 180 mph or whatever. You can’t use the power on the road and it’s just about dragging your balls on the floor, or bragging rights for the most part.

[@gandhiwitcrocks4946]

@@RARufus what 🤣. My car that can go well over 180 can use all of its power on the road. It's not about bragging it's about the fun.

[@drippyjase8044]

Just go fast the cops cant catch you😭

[@derekbrackett1622]

@@gandhiwitcrocks4946 omg finally! I am over here thinking......but they're just so much fun !

[@CharredSteak]

Started on a 400, moved up to a 750 within a couple years. Definitely was worth it learning on a light and nimble bike

[@drlecter3608]

40-50lbs lighter 🙄

[@krashgamingandoutdoors1125]

I learned on dirtbikes. Started on a kx80. When I bumped up to a yz125 it was definitely a big difference. (Which is only about 50lbs) From my experience that makes a big difference on dirt and pavement. Although rider weight would also probably affect how much you notice the bikes weight and I've never been over 165lbs. I wonder if bigger people just don't notice bike weight as much as smaller people do.

[@Win7ermu7e]

@@drlecter3608 A svart 401 is 330lbs. SV650 is over 100 lbs more than that. I can find more extreme examples. 🙄

[@jayaneyon9316]

​@@Win7ermu7ewell a cfmoto 450 is like the same weight as a gsxr 750 so it's really a bike to bike thing

[@GuilhermeTeixeira]

I started on a 900cc ten years ago and died in a crash a few days later. I don't need motorcycles since then because I'm a ghost.

[@kingmawey]

My first bike was a cbr 600. I had ridden dirt bikes for many years (125s, 250s, 450 etc). felt I could manage a 600cc bike, which turned out to be true. That being said after taking the MSF course and watching people who've never ridden any motorcycle before having a really hard time keeping the bike up right and doing basic maneuvers, I would say it would be absolutely terrifying to see a beginner hop on a high horsepower bike 😂 Next bike I want to get is a Grom

[@Uncle_Tijikun]

I'm in the UK, started on a 125 at 34 years old and happy I did instead of going straight for the big license. Taking it easy and trying to learn as much as possible. Hopefully I'll be on a big bike by next year

[@whelennut]

I started out with a Ossa Pioneer 250cc with knobby tires. I rode alongside the interstate in the ditch and could keep up with traffic. No Helmet. I wanted to race motocross or endurance racing. My second bike was a Harley Davidson 74 cubic inches. No electric start or windshield. I highsided after 4,000 miles with a passenger. I would start out with a 250cc if I could do it again. Riding my adventure bike I was ahead of myself 500cc is plenty big enough.

[@233kosta]

I put about 3000 miles on my 125 before going for DAS, with an instructor check-in at 1500. By the time I was doing the big bike training there wasn't much left to tidy up. There's no substitute for putting the miles in. I mean going on that thing literally everywhere, including 4 hour cross-country treks. Learn the right techniques and don't be afraid to lean into the boundaries of your comfort zone. My 125 was quite light, I was doing light stoppies (not far off the ground, maybe like 5cm) to get used to the feel of the front brake. Can't keep a safety margin from the limit if you don't know where the limit is sort of thing ;) Also, those silly speed bumps you'd straddle in a car - PERFECT practice for the avoidance thing on your mod 1, approach at 30 and countersteer assertively to swerve around them. By the time I was training on the MT-07 it felt like second nature. Good luck, dude!

[@nesto9889]

I'm almost 18, so I can get my A1 license for 125cc. I'm just not sure whether I should get the A1 immediately and get a 125cc, or wait until I'm 20 and go for the A2 license and get something like a ninja 400

[@233kosta]

@@nesto9889 May as well get a cheap 125 to get some miles in. Then when you upgrade your license you'll feel a lot better on the 400. Or decide to keep the 125 for a while longer... point is you have options ;) But I'd want to get the miles in first, before getting something bigger.

[@nesto9889]

​@@233kosta I think I'll go with the 125cc, so I can't do dumb stuff. Then after getting A2 I could try to sell the 125cc for an upgrade

[@Bob_Jones123]

Started on a Ninja 400. Highly recommend it. Then I got the ZX6R, now I have a ZX10R and an R1. The progression reaps its own rewards. Each bike offered a unique feel and vibe. Once you get to the 1000's, you've got nowhere left to go.

[@RARufus]

This is an honest question…what’s the point of a 1 liter class bike when you can’t use its power on the road? I can see if you’re tracking it you can run it out there. I get it will pull like crazy but you can only use a small percentage of it on the road. Maybe I’m just getting old too! 😊

[@dblackviper2k3]

@@RARufus you forgot the "legally" part

[@RARufus]

@@dblackviper2k3 LOL! Yes I forgot that part. 🤘

[@Bob_Jones123]

@@RARufus Liter bikes are great for group rides. You can close that gap easily. They are also nice on the street because you don't need to rev the piss out of it like a 600 to get power.

[@vfhx5267]

H2?

[@Bad_Riders]

My first road bike was a 90’s cbr600 had 90hp at the rear wheel and after riding dirt for most of my teens i was alright. I made mistakes, learnt from them and have settled into the 600 class comfortably… sure theres the “why not upsize to 1000cc” thoughts but ive talked myself out of it as ive got what i need from my cbr600rr

[@ViscountAlbany]

You need to consider weight and weight distribution of the bike as well as power. When I bought a 750 as my first big bike I found I couldn't control it when starting or stopping. It wasn't that fast due to its gearing. Eventually got a 250 dual sport (after watching Yammie's video on the WR250R) and it was barely slower in any road situation but just way easier to manage. Edit: in the UK everyone must start on a bike not more than 125cc until you've passed a series of tests, so I had plenty of confidence on a small bike

[@dant3588]

First street bike was CBR600. Not the best decision ever, but I survived. Rode the snot out of it, acted like a hooligan, until some near misses caused me to straigten up. Eventually got a Ducati 999, which I still own (now nearly 18 years later). Caveat, I started riding later in life (after 30), learned everything I could about safe street riding after my initial near misses, did track riding schools, MSF courses, and generally took it seriously. Have had quite a few bikes, some epic rides, many close calls and brushes with disaster since then despite all of that. I attribute my good fortune (easpecially starting the way I did) to a combination of a recognition of and proper attitude toward the risks, and old fashioned good luck. Would I reccommed doing what I did? Absolutely not. But, it was a great time!

[@couchgaming5577]

How do you like the 999? I just got a 01 cb750 as my first bike and id like to get a 999 down the road. Unpopular opinion but i love the headlight on it.

[@dmvbenz7536]

Yeah I can’t imagine having started riding on my low rider S as my first bike, I’m glad I got a z400 to learn on and kept it a lil over a year and now I can do slow speed maneuvers and u turns comfortably on a bigger bike

[@capberganza]

where I live is common to start with a 110 - 150 cc so watching your beginner vids starting at 400 really blows my mind

[@johnadams3038]

I was thinking of buying the Duke 390 as a first bike but decided to get the Duke 890 R 2022 and that was the best choice. The electronics package helps a lot as a beginner. Even though very powerful it is very manageable power. I got it in mid-August and already rode 4000-KM with that bike.

[@BrateX98]

Thats Nice to hear, im about to start on z900, it has electonics to keep power on 55% of power but when i say that to ppl they dont want to listen

[@whodat4265]

@@BrateX98smh

[@poch_malone]

First ever big bike is the Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 that my father bought for me to be able to ride along with him. Glad I started on it since it is really a fun bike. Already crashed on a Super Four since I was insanely stupid on the twisties but learned a lot from it. Either way, the Svartpilen can catch up with my Dad’s Z900RS on the uphill twisties and can easily go through traffic. As long as we don’t pass by the highways and expressways, I can easily catch up with him. Since I have been riding for more than a year though, currently want to get my dream bike which is the XSR 900. Sir Yammie is actually telling the truth that it depends on the person. Being a defensive and disciplined driver is the number 1 thing when choosing between your motorcycle displacements.

[@ryancraig2795]

A lightly used KTM 390 or Kawi 400 would have been a revelation compared to my actual first street bike, a pretty rough 12 year old '78 Yamaha XS400. And it was plenty for me as a new street rider, even with extensive dirt bike riding experience when I was a little younger. And then I had a Yamaha DT200R, before finally moving up to my dream bike at the time, a ZX6 that had about 150% more HP.

[@stevebirks1]

Started riding this year UK, my age ( 57) allowed me to go straight to whatever I wanted. My learner course was on a suzuki gladius ( basically SV650). I figured I'd stick with the same performance characteristics, but because I'm 6'3" opted for the 650 V strom. I think, for me anyway, it's a perfect middleweight machine. I'll keep it for a year or so, but eventually want a big cruiser.

[@markstewart3648]

I'm in roughly the same position (52)also in UK I'll be doing my DAS in January on an MT07,I did a spec check on the v Strom as that would've been my preference for a first bike,the ride height is way off for me as a 5'7" rider,after checking many bikes,I've come to thinking the Kawasaki er 6 will be a great fit for me

[@manggit21]

I started with a Honda Rebel 500 and from time to time take my husband’s SV 650 for some saddle time… a year after that I finally got me a kawi Z900 RS… i would say the mastering the fundamentals with a smaller bike made me more confident and able to handle a bigger bike… Though technically the bikes I mentioned are all uniquely different and handles differently, working your way up and trying different rides will allow you to find your match… rides safe from the Philippines 😊

[@LordMcKrakenVonLittleBits]

I started out on a VStar 650 at 22 and it really did help with the discipline. A friend of mine who went to the class with me bought an R6 and downed it after a month when his enthusiasm overtook his actual skill and didn't ride again. There's no way I would have had the maturity to ride a machine like his back then and was very glad I got a lumpy little cruiser.

[@Whitey1345]

Started on a 2019 Honda Grom that was stretched 6”. People made fun of it and I felt funny but it was perfect to scoot back and forth to work. It saved me tons on fuel. But getting passed by everyone and people not really taking me going the speed limit serious I needed something bigger. Just picked up and R7 today. It’s definitely a ton more snappy but I’m 37 and have been around bikes my entire life. With the family at the house I’m taking it easy on her

[@bdsurfer13]

I started out later in life as a new rider, first bike just this year '22 CFMoto 700 CL-X Sport, mainly needed the higher HP to ride 70+ mph for commute over 120 miles a day. Was originally looking at the 300 and 650 models from the sales guy, but saw the 700 sport with cruise control and knew that was the bike for me.

[@Butts0hboi]

Been looking at one but I have had no experience on a bike. Was it pretty approachable?

[@bdsurfer13]

@@Butts0hboi yes in eco mode the CFMoto CL-X 700 Sport, it's totally tame. Flip it over to sport mode and it's a different bike. Take the MSF course as well

[@lordgdk]

Thanks Mr. Noob. Cool video interacting with the discord 🤙

[@zacharylothes2220]

I’m 29 almost 30 and I started 2 years ago on a 1991 Honda cb750 night hawk. Honestly hasn’t felt like too much bike for me and I’ve never really felt out of control with it. Really well running bike for having 40k miles on it but my next bike will probably be something like a ninja 400 to be able to real refine my riding skills and gain even more confidence… and also not have to deal with carburetors lol

[@danielfuerst1051]

I 100% recommend a ninja 400 - it's been an absolutely great bike so far for me

[@Wells338]

I actually got a 92 nighthawk 750 for me first bike

[@MatthewBurns8]

I'm on a Svartpilen 401 and love it. Bit more room for mistakes, light so I haven't dropped it through sheer idiocy yet, etc. Maybe I'll get a bigger one next year, but I love it so far. 0-60 in like

[@Win7ermu7e]

It's actually 5 seconds but yeah it feels quick.

[@sweettooth9363]

I think it depends a lot on the individuals responsibility, honesty with themselves, restraint, the understanding of their limits as well as how crucially important smooth throttle and braking practices are. Take the msf. Take the following courses. I’m starting on my grandfather’s 1997 Honda VFR 750f (RC36 Interceptor). Age 24. Licensed back in June/July 2022.

[@SkylerB17]

my friend told me before i got my first bike, that starting off on a smaller bike is better overall. because like you said, its easier to learn the fundamentals of riding on a smaller bike than a bigger bike. him and all his riding buddies ride 1000+ CC cruisers, except this one guy who rides a 650, and my buddy said the guy on the 650 can outride any of the guys on their bigger bikes. so i bought a Suzuki GZ 250 as my first bike and i absolutely loved it for my first 800 miles of riding til it broke and then i missed out on the last several months of riding season this year. so hopefully itll be fixed over the winter and ill be back on it in the spring. ill probably never get rid of this little bike.

[@rileybradford2987]

I seriously can’t recommend getting a dual sport enough when it comes to a first bike! I started on a CBR250L and I’m so glad I did. I ended up going that route because there was no denying that I would one day want a bigger bike so instead of getting a little street bike I basically got a dirt bike with turn signals. I’m definitely getting a more road oriented bike in 2023 because it compromises a bit on the road but there’s no way I’m selling it. I love being able to see something and just go there no matter the terrain and it’s hilarious how many times I’ve been pointed at or filmed in the city because normal people don’t understand it. Also unlike regular bikes it wears scratches and scrapes like they’re triumphant battle scars rather then an awkward mistake.

[@iliketurtles4463]

Dual sports don't get the love they deserve as first bikes in my opinion. Dirt based posture and durability, the go anywhere factor, aftermarket parts, often easy to work on... For older or more mature riders that like to go fishing explore gravel roads etc they are a great introduction point. I get it for younger guys with a bunch of squid friends, that a DR650 isn't the best choice for their expected journey, but for almost everyone else, its just about all you need!

[@sinn1916]

I bought a new ninja 400 2 years ago partially based on yammie's videos. Was kinda concerned I would get bored. Still have her and ride every weekend!

[@ForgetfulFoot]

I just got my license 3 months ago and bought a used LAMs Ducati Scrambler Sixty2 399cc. Done just over 1000kms. It's been such a great bike so far. I might want a little bit more power in the future for quicker overtakes. But other then that, I am very happy, it's such a blast to ride and I haven't properly revved it out yet to tap into its full potential. It looks amazing too. And I have never seen another on the road.

[@lukeroy5676]

I started on a CBR 600 F3, big fan, lots of power in the upper revs, but very manageable under 7000rpm. You just have to be responsible, I liked starting on a 600 because of the extra confidence on the highway, and because speed is fun every once and a while

[@nicl6034]

Yammie I went and got my license two years ago but was still very scared of bikes even though I always wanted one. But after watching your vids and others I finally bought my first bike a 2023 R7 it’s extremely uncomfortable lol but I’m learning how to ride and building my confidence everyday I even took it on the highway and my fear is starting to go away thanks bro

[@thecoolio9167]

I just bought my first ever bike this week. I'm 31 and I just purchased a 2021 R3. So far I'm loving it.

[@bluewafflecream1580]

Everything with bikes are risk assessment. Know yourself and how you are. That will let you know on how big to go.

[@thisveterancan7666]

These 400's are still fun, and always have been! Just look back at the old Honda VFR 400, or the RVF 400... amazing bikes!

[@craigdiekmann9963]

As a father and longtime rider. I put my boys on dirt bikes first at 7ish years old then into a CBR250 for first street, the first son moved to HD 883 Sportster then to a Street Bob today. The other wrestled with the Ninja 650 vs 400, but he went with the color/looks he liked and got the 2023 Ninja 400. This matched the bike his friends have so they are all comparable too.

[@TheJCampos92]

My first time on a motorized 2 wheeler was on a Honda Rucus(50cc). From there I purchased a Honda Grom (125cc) to learn the motorcycle controls (clutch, gas, brakes etc.). First proper bike was an SV650 where I learned to respect the power of street bikes. I then moved up to my current GSX-S1000 that scares the ever living crap out of me still. But yea sub 400 is a good way to go if you're not familiar with motorcycle controls.

[@neodurden6793]

Hey ! Another story of a Ninja 400 fan. Started on a Yam TDM850 because it was dirt cheap in mint condition: 1400$. This old inline twin 270° / 82hp with High center of mass is very confortable, perfect for highway and longer trip. Super fun in the twistie. But, I had to battle with it. It is no so flick able. and depsite the weight, was a bit overwhelming for me. After two mounth, traded it for a Ninja 400. Best descision ! Learning curve is way better, and I feel really confident on it !

[@alanmott-smith9358]

I rode a small bike for my first year and then went to a Goldwing. I'm glad I did it that way.

[@afroman5531]

I started out on a ninja 500, little bit more old school but it has been quite alot of fun and is a great beginner bike that can be picked up for a decent price!

[@mattsloop2736]

Started my son on a klx250s. He's having a blast. All last summer and isn't bored with it yet

[@Keodez]

I just bought my first bike last week and it’s a CFMoto CL-X 700 and me being with no riding experience thought it was very manageable and easy to ride. Just enough power to scare you if you don’t know what you are doing yet enough power to put a fat smile on your face.

[@jkim6200]

YAMMIE, I used to ride a VF500F and a VF1000R in the States, but since moving abroad, I have ridden on a 125cc v twin, a 400cc 4 banger sports bike (an old GSXR 400), a 250cc Thumper (which I rode concurrently with the GSXR but which I have gotten rid of), I also got an a CitiAce, a 110cc Honda SuperaCub copy for work. Despite downm sizing on the rides, the GSXR and the CitiAce are a blast.

[@kingbutterfly4]

I rode a tiny Kawasaki dirt bike when I was kid in the 90s and have wanted a street bike for over 20 years. Four years ago I did my BRC and got my endorsement. I always wanted a Ninja, but I kept looking at the z900rs. Unfortunately, it was never the right time to buy a bike. We had a wedding to plan/pay for and then a baby to plan/pay for. But I finally convinced my wife and bought a Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 a few weeks ago. It's a lot of fun and I'm very happy with it. Winter riding isn't too bad, but looking forward to Spring. PS: @yammienoob helped me convince my wife the Svartpilen was a good choice with his 2021 Beginner Bike Tier List video (S Tier!)

[@codyjohnson7093]

I did. Straight to CBR600RR. Working good so far.

[@jballew2239]

Had a string of midsized bikes ( BSA, Triumph(s), even a WLA45 ) over ~40 years but the one I came to like the most was one of those odd little Swiss "Condor" scout bikes from the 70's. That Ducati 350 took me everywhere I wanted to go on, and off road. V/max was 65MPH, plenty for twisty 2 lane roads and the occasional mining road in central Arizona.

[@gotthatdawg-lh8yb]

my grandma can go 65 blindfolded and cuffed

[@adriennehamm2689]

I'm probably gonna start on a 300 although I've been looking at an MT07. Getting ready to purchase it this next week. I'm a wife and mother of 2 and people depend on me. I'm starting small because I want to make sure that I build my skill set and get the small stuff tackled before I move up.

[@BramdeHaas1999]

I got my A (unrestricted) license on a 2020 SV650 and now own a bmw funduro. Even though I got roughly 20-30 hours of experience on the sv I still don’t feel comfortable riding a big bike. Next season I want to make a big trip on the funduro through Europe and if I feel confident enough I might upgrade in a year or two. Plenty of fun to be had with mid-size bikes especially big thumpers!

[@Trancepotato]

I started on a 2021 Ducati Supersport 950S. I rode it in Urban mode only until I got fully licensed. Never had an issue, Urban mode really dulled the throttle response. The only thing that sucked was when I dropped it the 3rd time I got on it, but otherwise it's been great. However I was 38 when I started and definitely got the speed demon shit out of my system a long time ago and was never tempted to do something stupid. Already thinking about getting the new V4 Diavel

[@harrisonmorgan103]

As I’m in the uk and was 16 I was forced to start on a 50cc scooter but now looking to buy a 125cc bike in 4 or 5 months. Used this 50cc bike to get to and from college 4 days a week for the last 3 months and put over 2,000km on it and wouldn’t change a single thing about how I’ve started. Looking forward to getting on a small but bigger bike in the new year

[@AZ-wc5ot]

i just sold my 125 after a year with it... Honestly pretty great for learning :)

[@MrBiggles53]

I’m 60 and use a 125cc Honda BWs Zuma for commuting 8 miles to and from work. It’s perfect and so fun! Also have a Honda Shadow Spirit for longer rides & touring. Very smooth.

[@manueljojo6538]

Thank you for the sharing! I am in my early 40s and just got my motorbike license. Still wandering around and deciding which/what bike to get as my first one. Also thinking if I should get a used/preowned. Love the Honda CB650R all this while but there is no stock coming in until June/July. Appreciate your sharing in the video, and might keep looking out, probably something smaller too. 😉

[@yuchenliu6062]

Hey man have you got that bike yet?? I'm also thinking about the cb650r. Great look but a little pricy and out dated. Same price I could get a xsr900 but it would probably get me in trouble lol

[@manueljojo6538]

@@yuchenliu6062 oh yes. I've gotten a cb650r 2019 about 4-5months ago. Pre-owned at less than 6000km mileage. Loving it alot. Heavy tho.

[@yuchenliu6062]

going for the new one with e clutch @@manueljojo6538

[@troythevis4456]

I think starting out on the 400’s is a great way to go. I started riding off road at age 6 on a Honda Z50 and then 70 cc, 125 & 250’s. Then in the early 90’s I got a Honda CBR 400 that I road and crashed a few times. After that I had 2 Kawasaki 636’s. Then I quit riding around 1995 until I bought my 2019 GSX-S 750. Now if I were to get one it would probably be a R7 or Aprilia 660 🏍️

[@brianworden7022]

I just started riding for 4 months and have my permit. The bike I have is a 1970 Honda C70M Super Cub. It gets me around town fine. Hopefully I will have money to get a little bigger of a bike without needing to sell the Cub by summer so I can go on back roads to visit my mom.

[@Nene_760]

I needed this advice because I'm not a big guy, I'm 5'6 not skinny tho. I have all my gear I was just worried what my first bike should be since I'm short. Great content, bro

[@IHiggs]

Yea im 5’7 the 400 is a perfect height, 400 also has adjustable suspension if you need it lower (will slightly change driving characteristics almost unnoticeable tho)

[@gogox98]

Here's an interesting thing no one mentions. In Europe, you can do the full A license at 24 (if you have A2, you can earlier, but that's beside the point). I did mine this summer, as it is ofr a lot of people, i went straight to A. To do that though, you have to ride a 600 in the course. Specifically, in our course we had the Honda Hornet CB600 or something like that, basically a slightly detuned cbr600rrr engine, makes 105 HP. While I did get used to it, as our courses are much more extensive than the MSF, I wouldn't say I'd start on it. Passed my exam from the first attempt and did pretty well. I do feel that after the course, I could easily jump on a big bike, but I also have to wonder what is the point. If most of the riding you do is in the city, being stuck in traffic or lane-filtering stopped traffic is equally annoying on a 600 and on something smaller. But the smaller bikes have cheaper parts, MUCH cheaper insurance (esp. here in Germany and esp. for a new rider) and less fuel costs. Plus they are more forgiving. That being said, I am originally from Bulgaria and there are simply no small bikes. Small bikes being everyone's first choice is a relatively new trend. People back there ride mostly older bikes, due to the cost associated with buying a new one. That, of course, leads to small bikes like the R3, ninja 300 and so on being relatively absent from the second hand market. In that case, you either end up forking a lot of money for a bike like that or you take the "cheap" route and start on a 600.

[@owenernst7768]

That is not how it works everywhere in Europe, just mostly in the north. But I get your point

[@nducation8039]

My courses were on a Suzuki 600 GSR, 90HP. I loved it. When I got my license, I bought a 600 Fazer.

[@cmpmendes]

My A license was done on an MT 07. Not the best beginner bike but hell of a lot of fun.

[@metal4et0]

As a fellow from Bulgaria I also got my A license at 24 on Honda Hornet CB600, I believe the year of the bike was 2003. It is true that here the A licenses are on a 600cc bikes, honestly the Hornet didn't feel like a rocket during the course. Here we also have hours which we need to ride in the city with our instructor. It felt pretty good. Now as a first bike I am driving my fathers Honda CB500T from 1996. It is a very nice smooth bike to go around the city. I am looking, however, for a bike of my own and I'm thorn between saving for a new Ninja 400 or going for some second hand 600cc bike. I will just go and sit on a bunch of bikes and see what feels good and what postures feel natural. Drive safe, guys.

[@Toffer1990]

Im hoping to get one atleast to have one in my life time. Thanks for the vids, atleast I can feel having a dream bike even if its only virtual.

[@adgonn]

I started on a 150cc cafe and rode it about 50K kilometers even did a road trip with it. now when I jump to gsx s1000 i felt so good and never got intimidated. like yammie said it depends. everyone has a different style and expectations. just ask what do you want as a beginner never get lost in details, don't fall into peer pressure and feel like you need a giant engine to enjoy riding. just have fun and be realistic about your talent/desires.

[@kevinhagberg1648]

First time rider. Just bought myself a MT-07 for my 34th birthday. I feel great on the bike after taking the MSF course.

[@WallyST675]

I was 19 when I bought my first bike, a 1994 Suzuki Katana 600, and it definitely wasn't too much power, through the weight and length took a lot of getting used to.

[@BodyPress91]

Schönen guten Tag Yammie. I got my licenze on a FZ6. At this point, i knew this 600 class is the minimun that i want. I was testdriving the K2 GSXR 1000, but it was to much leand forword for me and overpowerer as F**. So i got my sweet little lightweight baby ...the 675 Streety. She is such a beauty and has a tight suspension. I love her so much

[@gsd2796]

Started on a R3 after 3 years moved over to Z900 took my time just need to respect the bike and you'll be fine

[@charlesprice7608]

Started at 5 on a Z50, first street bike was at 16, Yamaha 600 Radian. I was lucky, had a place to ride growing up everyday as a kid.

[@2010johnking]

I had a 2005 Ninja 250 for about a year and a half in college, 09-10. It was a very fun and underrated machine. Freaking 14,000 rpm redline and would cruise at 70 mph all day.

[@Mystic-Herbalist420]

Hey yams, I'm a little late to this but my first experience on a motorcycle I was 23 my brother let me ride his 1991 cbr1000f, 150 hp, 600+ pounds, I followed him and we road park road 4 which is west of Austin in Burnet. He allowed me to use that bike for like a year and I put about 6k miles on it, had some issues, but never wrecked it. Had hot coolant explode all over the bike just 1 second after I got off, had the shift lever break while on the high way lol. after riding it for about 6k miles i bought a 2020 Aprilia tuono factory 1100 v4, bought it brand new a few years ago and it has 7k miles on it now, that bike is amazing, I ride anyone else's bike and I think to my self how much better the tuono is lol, then last year I bought a 13 honda xr650L to learn how to ride in the dirt/ adventure ride/ work on a bike myself, totally different experience, it's hard around here to find places to ride that's not private property though, I've taken to Sam Houston and ridden single track one time but that's it beside just finding some dirt road some where, I've ridden about 5.5k miles on that so far. My brother and I were both confident that i could do it, I can drive a car really well, I always liked bikes, watched moto vlogs, grew up watching my brother ride his, in early 2000 he had a 1st Gen busa with full bolt ons, and the 91 cbr1000f I learned on. If you're calm and have some critical thinking you can ride any size bike as a beginner

[@aaronholmes-black6621]

Recently got my 2013 675 Striple with 30k miles as a first bike; It honestly came down to price and power. I've had a couple of small hiccups with it and one big hiccup involving rider error, but a few months later and 3k miles tacked on from riding literally every or every other day roughly 50 miles in either direction to work and practicing in my spare time, and I feel incredibly familiar with its power, it's maneuverability, and leaning it over at speed. I'll definitely be seeking out more advanced courses come Spring.

[@mytmousemalibu]

Similar path, I started on a 15' FZ09. The 09 or a Triumph triple was the end goal because I am infatuated with how good triples sound! I was looking for an FZ07 but price & availability wasn't there when my 09 popped up. Its a wicked bike but super fun. Made a few minor errors early on but gelling with it well now. I know my limits but looking to expand my riding with some classes/track time next year.

[@aaronholmes-black6621]

@mytmousemalibu The Triple Whistle is definitely a selling point, I will agree.

[@sernigel9619]

NorCal resident. 27, started on a trident 660. Love it so much. Big issue for me was physical size of bike. I’m 6’2 and looking at duke390 and such, they felt small. I never had any experience on a bike till maybe 2 weeks ago. This 660 feels like enough to be fun but not enough to be uncomfortable riding.

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

No better riding than in NorCal and yeah-- a 650 class bike for a mature rider is a good 1st choice and the power will keep you happy for at least a few years. Now, people making every excuse in the world to start from 0 exp other than the msf course on a 600 supersport are forever a meme lol

[@trunktoyz]

1st and only bike so far is a Husky Svartpilen 701. I accidentally did a wheelie within the 1st 200 miles of riding. I think there was an electrical glitch and the traction control was temporarily off. Still happens now and then... Scared me at first, but I got it back under control and haven't had any incidents like that since. 5000+ miles later and still having fun!

[@skyolson3905]

I went from a Honda XR 100 as a kid to a Shadow 1100 with no drama. Displacement isn't the key issue, but rather HP to weight ratio.

[@nigel.ivoryreyes197]

My mentor,I have been learning from your wisdom Yu good Teacher tanks for your wisdom for 2years I think I will get a 400cc ,I am 50years old ad feeling's to ride motorcycle is strong thanks for your comfort ad encouragement

[@jimscarnivorekitchen4731]

great video... thanks

[@KellyGeorgePH]

I started in a automatic. A Honda Click 125i scooter and I am very happy with it

[@jayaneyon9316]

Starting on a beginner bike is a luxury. They're more expensive used than supersports so most of us just learn carefully.

[@jacegdisis3720]

@yammienoob I’m 18 and been riding dirtbikes since I was 5, and really wanted to get into street bikes, I got a terrible 1989 cbr600 for $400 because I was 17 at the time, fixed it up. winter hit so I had to wait until next summer turned 18 and rode it for a month and sold it for $800 then got my self a 2012 zx14r, I put 4k miles on it in 2-3 months of riding it in town and the outskirts of town but no road trips. I absolutely have a blast on that bike I am pretty good in the corners, I can keep up or do even better then my friends with bmw s1000rr in the corners. I 100% recommend people that have never touched a bike to get small displacement bikes.

[@ericy8290]

As a 230 pound 6’6” 21 yo male, I started on a 2007 fz6 (84hp). It was scary but I stayed light on the throttle for a while until I got more comfortable

[@cruzmarco6048]

No way you are 6'6" just no way.

[@antoineallard8788]

Meanwhile, as a kinda experienced 25 Y/o rider, i went back to small cc. My Royal Enfield Himalayan made me fell in love with a simplier way of riding

[@kawasakiLife250r]

Same here bud im from the UK and went from a 125cc on a cbt licence to a restricted honda cbr600 on an a2 licence loved every second of it even though it scared the ever living life out of me lol. I traded down to a done up ninja 250 and love it but am starting to want some more power again

[@AlphaDango]

Started with my A1 licencse with a 125cc and now with my A2 I got myself a restriced 600cc Yamaha Fazer. Nice bike

[@LCNismo]

My first bike was a CBR 945 rr and it’s scarred the shit out of me. A few years later I bought a 390 duke and loved it. I still ride it and thinking about making the move to a 790/890 duke

[@gghanete4999]

Thanks for this vidéo man

[@kushpaladin]

i started on a 50cc dirt bike when i was 7..... i think i got my KTM 350 when i was 17. 10 years later i just bought a R3. i've been riding it daily for a year and i'm still not bored of it, it's really fun in the corners. now when i upgrade to a R7 i'll already know body positioning and corner skills

[@tylerharmer7758]

I have had a ninja 400 for 4 months now and can say I'm glad I started on a forgiving bike. However I am already looking to get a larger displacement bike.

[@nashinokami9935]

I started on a 2011 Ninja 250r and can say it was a great choice. Kind of wouldn't recommend it to someone who hasn't ever ridden bikes before since they are actually quite jumpy and very torquey down low. But coming from offroad experience it was very familiar to me. I put 2000 miles on it and am picking up a 2012 GSX-R 600 next week and couldn't be happier. Selling the ninja to my 19 yo brother so he can learn too

[@boostedKTM]

Started on 1985 Honda Magna 500 and then 06 katana 750 now Loving my FZ09

[@CorvetteGuy912]

Started on a 2002 R6. Then went to an 04 R6; after a bit traded it for an FZ07. Fast forward two ZX6R’s, a Buell Firebolt I now have an S1000RR and an R7.

[@MrBiggles53]

I started off on a used 50cc Honda Moped in Italy, which was perfect for the local area and tight city streets. Donated it to a church when I moved to Las Vegas because it couldn’t keep up with the traffic and extremely bad drivers; so I bought a used Honda CM450 and put 10,000 miles per year on it for 3 years. Ha, rode it down to San Diego at night the day I got my learner permit. Then sold it snd moved a couple more times,then bought a Kawasaki KZ650D and kept putting 10K miles a year on that until I moved again and was travelling too much; so it mostly sat for for 2 years before I traded it for a computer. Bunch of years rolled by, had health issues that left me barely strong enough to Handle a 50cc Honda Ruckus, then recovered and 6 months later bought a Suzuki GS650 GL, which took me the usual 5-6 months to get comfy on. Found out what I wanted in bikes and a couple years later bought a new Yamaha BWs Zuma 125cc for daily nearby commuting year round and a lower center of gravity than my Suzuki used, Honda Shadow Spirit 750cc shaft drive for longer trips. I like practical bikes that I can carry 4 bags of groceries in or on and not weigh my shoulders down for long with backpacks, except for carrying maybe glass, eggs or laptops. Honestly, I ride for morale purposes. It uses less gas and makes my truck last longer.

[@brittanyc3282]

I started on the svartpilen 401 this year and I absolutely love how narrow and lightweight it is in the twisties on the Blue Ridge Parkway and it's just frickin cool, especially with the Coffman slip on I have now 😎 I'm thinking about the sv650(x?) for my next bike bc I just need a deep vtwin sound but I don't want a cruiser

[@lizzypicardi]

My partner has that bike and I got the RC 390 both really fun. I love how nimble they both are!

[@chiefyy710]

taking msf soon and looking at maybe 390 duke or something similar from blue ridge powersports... am super excited to ride the mountains in Va

[@lukahomersham9826]

im in NZ and i had a bit of prior experience in the dirt. I started on a 250 for about a month and then moved to a cb400sf four cylinder with 54hp. loved that bike and had it for a year. i then moved to a SV1000 120hp, loved that bike and only just sold it about a year after having it. now i have a Honday CBR954rr Fireblade 154hp. I defiantly wouldn't recommend anything more than 50-60 hp for a beginner and dont get fooled with rider modes, the temptation to see what it has will always be there. it wasnt long into riding my fireblade that i had it up to 220kph because i didnt realise how fast it was.

[@aproudtexan]

I’ve been riding for about a month now, rode 1 time (on a friend’s little mini bike) while still in high school, well before I took the MSF course. I bought a used 2020 Indian Chief Dark Horse, 1811cc that had a few upgrades (Intake, Exhaust and Stage 2 cams) I talked myself into it with the rider mode argument lol. I also started riding at age 36 with a wife and 3 kids so I don’t have near the issue with giving in to my demons that I used to. The bike has stayed in “touring” mode since I got it. Judging by a couple of the people I went to the MSF course with, I definitely wouldn’t recommend a brand new rider hop on it though, especially one that wants to push themselves to the edge. Side note, I flew to San Diego, CA to pick it up and rode it back home to the Western part of Texas. Just over 1,000 miles. ~400 miles the first day and ~600 miles the second. Both days the temp got down to 32° while riding at night. Glad I did it but it’s definitely not a trip for the average first time rider lol

[@chrisl3062]

I started on an FZ07 and later had a Kawi z400. Wish I started on the 400 first, they are so much more confidence inspiring, especially on the twisties.

[@motor_ma77]

Had a 125cc for 4 years finally done my DAS🇬🇧March of this year. I went for a Fazer 8 then I’ve had a Tracer 900 now currently SX1000. You just have to respect the bike some require more respect then others

[@Illness.og.]

I started on a grom 125, sold that then went to a ninja 300, then after finally riding that for a year and learning the fundamentals i sold it and went and got me my z650 and a z125 for the thrill. Had the choice of getting a z900, but my style of riding I didn’t need the 900, 650 was enough for me and very easy to get up and going. Just more simple.

[@mikek3658]

I started with a 250 helix scooter last year and it has been great to learn with. I don't feel the need to go any bigger but that may change in the future. I've learned a lot in the last year about engines and tools and maintenance etc. My understanding of how engines work before I got the helix was basically "put gas in and magic happens." I don't have the patience for a clutch and shifting so I like the automatic scooters. But who knows, that also may change in the future.

[@kenbowlus2995]

If you decide you want to step up to something larger without a regular hand clutch and foot shifter that is more highway/freeway capable and with the ability for occasional touring duty, I suggest taking a look at a couple Hondas with the DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission) such as the Honda NC750X or Rebel 1100 street bikes. I'll be getting a NC750X next year, simply due to physical limitations from previous accidents and advancing age that prevent the ability to use a foot shifter or comfortably operate a clutch (arthritis sucks). The DCT trans can either be left in "Drive" to shift itself or "Manual" to allow the use of up and down shift buttons on the left side handlebar controls. The DCT has three different levels of power, engine braking and traction control, so that you can start out with lower power and work your way up as you become used to the higher power and weight of something larger than a scooter. Both of those bikes are obviously heavier than the Helix, but they do both carry the weight very low and handle much better than the +/- 500 pound bikes that they are. Just don't drop it, that 500# doesn't feel any lighter if you have to pick it up. LOL

[@MauryaShah]

I started 9 months ago, on a LAMS MT07, which is detuned to 50hp, however, keeps most of the torque from stock. It still was too powerful to learn on, especially having never ridden before. Luckily, a family member bought a husky 401, and I was able to ride it regularly during my learners. That is a good learner bike, and I wish I had started on that. 9 months into my journey, however, I almost always take the MT07, as it really is a better bike. I enjoy the sound and torque, and ride quality more. I still take the husky from time to time just to practice.

[@MattonaKwak]

I went from a Yamaha Xmax 125 to a Kawasaki Ninja 650 after 6 months of having the 125. I have no regrets at all and I love having the power I need to do my daily commute to work. I’m British btw (fyi) and I travel a lot on roads that are 60-70mph and having the ample power to do that makes travel SO much easier! The jump wasn’t as intimidating as I thought it would be as long as you RESPECT the power of the bigger bike and do your research before the jump. Of course though, it may be different for other people but I personally feel that I didn’t need an intermediate bike. I started riding July 2022 (I’m 27).

[@colefetters7253]

I started on a buell blast, and had a lot of fun as long as I wasn't spending more than an hour In the saddle. I am 6' and the bike is designed to fit very short riders. My guess is around 5'5". Had a blast on it, did a out 5k miles over 2 seasons and then bought a BMW f800st. I'm now on a vintage Honda that I fixed up because I wrecked the BMW, but the beemer will ride again. 80hp feels a lot different from 35hp, and if will feel like getting on a rocketship when I ride the BMW again.

[@mrgman1228]

Started on a Ninja 400 and will be upgrading to a z900. Definitely worth it to start on a smaller bike.

[@TomsMotoTV]

Just bought a z900! I absolutely love it!!

[@jimmythecacodemon2397]

I really wanted an R6 for my first, then I saw the zx4rr came out, but with a whopping (almost) 10k price tag I can’t justify it, now I’m looking at R7s, bit cheaper, and a bit more power than a ninja 400, I think that’s what I’m gonna go with, especially with all the good things I’ve heard about it

[@RicoS0L0]

My first bike and second bike were both R6. I knew nothing about bikes at the time and knew that any bike needed respect.

[@YungAnt7]

There’s pros and cons to everything in life what bike to start on is no different. The answer is: if you know how to ride (whether you’ve been riding ur whole life or are fresh outta riding class) if the bike scares you weight wise or power wise, then it’s probably too much bike for you. But if you’re confident on it you can start on it. If you’re going to hurt urself - any bike is fast enough to do so, the power level won’t be the reason u hurt urself - incompetence or a small mistake or misjudgment will hurt u before too much power will cuz ppl who know how to ride don’t whiskey throttle or loop bikes. This is a topic that’s 100% subjective.. THERES NO RIGHT OR WRONG BIKE TO START ON. It’s all on a given persons mental competence of the art of riding.. everyone is different. Everyone has different levels of restraint and discipline and understanding of physics or “feel” of a machine. A person can go fast down a hill enter a corner too hot and hurt themselves or worse on a pedal bicycle - you can start on a r1 with all the TC on and on low power mode and never do more than 70mph and be fine. You can start on a ninja400 and ride 90mph everywhere and hurt urself.

[@JesseWrangell]

I think it depends on what discipline of motorbike riding you plan on doing. But I personally will always say that a 400 dual sport is the perfect starter. You can go and hit the dirt trails to get your skills up, and then when you are ready for the road, you can just slap some new tread on the bike, and a couple other little upgrades, and you can have a nice serviceable bike for hitting the streets and having some hood rat fun.

[@themystx2]

Became a new rider at age 42 in 2021. Got an MT-09 as my first bike, yeah it was a little overwhelming with all that mid range torque but I simply pushed the bike a little more every day until my confidence was built up, eventually decided I wanted a spicy meatball with creature comforts, now I have a Multistrada V4S, which oddly despite being almost 1200 cc with 170 hp, was easier to manage on the road than the MT-09 with its overly snatchy throttle and harsh engine braking.

[@TheRealArctic]

I’m started on a turbo h2 r about 20 yrs ago and I highly recommend