SHOWDOWN: Willie Jackson vs David Seymour on the Treaty Principles Bill

Willie Jackson challenges David in the House over the Treaty Principles Bill.

[@Neil-yx3rc]

Seymour outclasses them every time. He’s logical,he’s honest,he’s clear thinking,he has the best interests of the nation at heart. It takes bravery… to be honest,to be logical, to have the best interests of all New Zealanders. David Seymour outclasses the opposition every time. He is a brave man. He deserves utmost respect.

[@cameronhall4309]

Well said.

[@pauljones3062]

True however Luxon is his (David’s) Achilles heel & if this treaty nonsense is not sorted NZ is on a downward spiral. Maorification needs to end. Maori radicals & vested Maori iwi billion dollar companies are also complicit.

[@leonbonney1236]

@@pauljones3062proof? nah just bullshit paul , your lack of education precedes you.

[@matakitaki1]

He does not, he is not, your head is in the clouds. He thinks for his financial backers and you are not one of them.

[@Neil-yx3rc]

@@matakitaki1 Take a good hard look in the mirror...$$$$…that’s why some people don’t want a discussion eh. Every person is equal in this country.

[@Sams_world_nz]

I didn’t vote for Seymour, but man I wish I did now. Luxton is weak. Go Seymour

[@naytch2003]

I voted David Seymour and always will...Will never vote National again nor Labour

[@ColinMiller-l8f]

David you have huge support. You have my support

[@webocoli]

Well said, David, stand your ground and let the country have a real debate!

[@andreatodd3095]

The Treaty needs definition.......Willie hoping it won't go through, however, democracy needs to be seen to be done and I for one want the opportunity to have a chance to make a submission to the Bill, as I'm sure many other citizens of NZ do. Well said David.!

[@pgreen8531]

Absolutely right and disgusting behavior from Jackson

[@allanwood4771]

@@pgreen8531 And what else would you expect from Jackson.

[@brandonhepi282]

@pgreen8531 disgusting behavior!!!!...umm really what planet you from? That's right, u like sweeping things under the mat. Seymour (puppet) is so disrespectful, belittles Maori culture in many ways....then uses maori words to make fun of.... this shows what a horrible spirit he has now that's disgusting.

[@DrBojangles007]

@@andreatodd3095 Te Tiriti is a very simple document - it’s already been translated by the greatest legal minds and Te Reo experts.

[@marinedrive5484]

Poor old Willie, he came to the debate with nothing and got hammered and to cap it off the majority of Labour voters support the Treaty Principles Bill too, according to a recent poll. Another stellar debate from Seymour.

[@gbrown9663]

Rubbish

[@overland_adventure_nz]

The greater New Zealand do Support the new Bill, and for equal rights for all of us, and not just for a few

[@allanwood4771]

Very well put

[@brandonhepi282]

More rubbish.....pakeha just want to feel the power to rule everyone, The treaty is too safe guard the future of Maori.....pakeha are mad because they got out smarted haha

[@overland_adventure_nz]

@@brandonhepi282 we’re not pakeha! We are all Kiwi’s and it’s time to get rid of the Treaty nonsense. No one is gonna go forward until we all equal going forward … After all, there is no 100% Maori left in NZ.

[@allanwood4771]

@@brandonhepi282 You mean that the treaty is to safeguard Maori against Losing the gravy train.well that is going to happen.he he he.very soon bro.

[@matakitaki1]

wrong

[@matthewdonoghue321]

David Seymour is correct on every point, but we need to be clear here. Wilberforce introduced his unpopular anti slavery bill in 1791... and it didn't get across the goal post till around 1807. If Seymour succeeds he will have done something truly great for equal rights in New Zealand. I just hope he is prepared for the long and hard fight ahead. Stay the course.

[@vumba1331]

Very well said, it's going to be a long haul and national will have to stop pussy-footing around and support it if they want votes next time around.

[@robertmiller2173]

We deserve a say!

[@rigley8830]

Well debated David, most rational people understand we are all Kiwis, regardless of our backgrounds and ethnicity. To treat one ethnic group differently can only cause divide between us. Which is where we've ended up.

[@djhemirukahemisphere8893]

the treaty agreed by the 2 partners. How can 1 partner opt to change it to ? .. It's a grab to utilise the democratic majority which will further marginalise Maori in thier own country. It's scandalous to suggest 1 partner has the right to suggest amendants. The other people of today have no right change the document without Maori support -Maori are the partner not some group that can be dictated to

[@allanwood4771]

@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 And we also won’t be dictated to by Māori the end.

[@raazhard]

@allanwood where is your ancestors name on the historical document? Take your dictates back to King Charles and see what he says. Even better go to Israel and see what true apartheid is or stfu.

[@nuklezdws]

​@@djhemirukahemisphere8893that's a massive grasp for straws, the bill hasn't even come out yet.

[@matakitaki1]

You may be a kiwi, but you are not Tāngata Whenua the difference is profound of which you have failed to comprehend.

[@yingle6027]

Labour threatening ''civil unrest'' just because they're opposed to open debate is just sickening.

[@geoffneal9146]

Civil unrest or civil debate? They're our choices

[@gregwaghorn8496]

Problem is, the group is growing for a civil war. Headed by the TMP. It's illegal to mention it. Because it's a terrorism threat. Yet, nothing is happening

[@kimkay2196]

Labour will always play the victim card

[@here295]

The "liberal' mindset....nothing new...the true natszis

[@pest_predator_nz]

Typical left...

[@katescott649]

I believe 90% of New Zealanders agree with David, BUT if Luxon does not start showing some balls and support this bill, he will be the third party next election as we need some strong direction where the Treaty is concerned.

[@pauljones3062]

True & will not be voting National next time.

[@Fred-zw9kk]

Never forget Luxon once worked for Unilever. I think he may have got the job there as a live model for a deoderant roll-on. One thing is for sure, he has no spine or cojones. But I'm hoping the country will see him eat humble pie when the heat really goes on this thing. For too long, NZrs have allowed politicians of Luxon's ilk to direct proceedings, when we are their employer.

[@orac229]

David has FAILED us. The Treaty Principles Bill is dead. Clause 2 will give iwi everything as soon as Labour/TPM get back into power. I will NOT support it with clause 2 intact.

[@NZ_Kiwi1010]

I support a referendum

[@bobboardman1156]

Fully support this Bill despite Willi Jacksons threat of civil unrest

[@matakitaki1]

It is you who creates the civil unrest, making claim to rights you gave away and expect others to follow your slavery. David may deny a model doesn't exist outside Te Tiriti because Te Tiriti is the model that can be achieved but White NZer's don't want to for personal reasons, that is the fact and that is the source of racism

[@petakarini7567]

toitu te teriti, leave the Treaty as it is Pakeha are all they sign a Treaty which is a binding Document when it suits them then when it dont they want to change it,.its a Treaty it cannot be changed, unless by those who signed it agree,.to change it, The corporate govt was never voted in to change treaties they should be more worried about Electricity prices,Forestry Mills shutting down 100,of jobs lost,., Food prices., petrol prices,. thats what they should be worried about not frigging around with the Treaty,..

[@logicalanswer3529]

Agreed. You would have to have a racist victimhood mentality to not push for equality.

[@Neil-yx3rc]

@@petakarini7567There is no attempt to change the Treaty. They do not want to change the Treaty. The Treaty is unchangeable. It’s the false interpretations of the Treaty that need challenging. The Treaty is enshrined forever…giving EQUAL RIGHTS…to all New Zealanders. EQUAL rights for all New Zealand citizens.

[@DrBojangles007]

@@Neil-yx3rcThat’s not what Te Tiriti gave. Tino rangatiratanga was not granted to every one. It was a compact signed between Crown and Maori. The Acts attempts to rewrite their own principles without the consent of Maori won’t go down well

[@mikewalters5815]

Most New Zealanders would like their say😊

[@realistically-r7g]

👍😎but …the majority of New Zealanders want their say !❤

[@louiscarnachan3608]

The problem is the majority of New Zealand don’t know what to say. Similar to yourselves.

[@almostbutnotentirelyunreas166]

@@louiscarnachan3608 Do you know what to say.? Or do you simply wish to create doubt. YT is not a court. Have some balls.

[@xorqwerty8276]

Thankyou ACt

[@davidgrosvenor1]

Civil unrest only from you Willie!

[@logicalanswer3529]

He said unrest, but all I see is a tantrum.

[@mikewalters5815]

The Minority doesn't Rule in a Democracy 😊

[@davidfentonhancock6646]

Bravo David....we thought you were a "bit of a dork" Now we think you might be the best leader this country has ever seen....bravo brother we want to send you hugs and love........don't worry about Willie you know what he is about....

[@boltang]

Shot cock 🤙

[@koro287]

Ive never voted,63yrs old,been in and out of NZ over the years, i thought the same about David, but now i will vote for ACT.

[@boltang]

@@koro287 ACT have never been given a go -always labour or liberal.

[@vanyawere5938]

Hell that's rich Willie, wasting people's time 😂

[@AntoinetteIndiraEdwards]

Luxon has to back him if not we will not vote national again ! NZ is ready for this debate now before it is too late . If you have a rational argument then state it rather than not want the debate , It is cowardly and sensed by most of us . Go David ! We admire your words as much as we admire the way you say them .

[@philipjesson9435]

Luxon is a spinless jelly fish should have been in labour party no balls

[@MrTumblingmoth]

Never been a supporter of Seymour but in this he is on the money. When Willie does his number, Mathew Hooton springs to life as if he still knows everything and the Churches speak Humbug most Kiwis realise what is actually at stake with this. With Peters standing on a pin head in this saying there are no principles but does nothing about the abuse by others of the many interpretations and Luxon standing off because he does not have a pair as like Key he sits on the barbed wire not knowing which way to jump. And there is Brownlee trying to stall Seymour at every opportunity. Beware deniers -There would be many Kiwis sick of this righteous group who wish to carry on their ridiculous racist position in stopping Seymour.He was superb in the house and we are lucky to have him.

[@ngaftp]

Spot on.

[@Kiwi_Dave]

Well said. For all New Zealanders, sick of the Treaty being a discussion between just Crown and Maori.

[@getsorted0185]

Absolutely we need david to sort this out we must stand behind him he is doing a great job

[@michaelsmith2126]

100% correct David… never give up… you have my support

[@philipjesson9435]

Keep up the good work David let's get this treaty principles Bill sorted so we all equal 👍 don't worry about silly Jackson

[@mr2981]

Brownlee has really become a disgrace. The minister has limitations on how long he is allowed to speak, but the peanut gallery apparently gets to speak all the time.

[@5150show]

He's just after is next steak 🥩 dinner

[@robertmiller2173]

Brownlee needs to shut up!

[@Heatherlooker-tu5bu]

He is TOTALLY HOPELESS!!

[@SeaBrownieNZ]

The more I support a review of all kiwi rights… no more laws based on skin tone…

[@allanwood4771]

I’m sick of All the laws regarding skin colour. It’s all about them.

[@urbanegorilla6005]

Poor old Willie: That was a mismatch of intellects if ever I saw one.# Get rid of the millstone.

[@SneedTechIndustries-gf5hn]

Every interaction with that moron is a mismatch of intellect.

[@carolechapman7857]

What is Willis afraid of …. we just want to know what the treaty means … there are tooo many interpretations!!!

[@kimkay2196]

No more gravy train

[@danielkamana5612]

do your home work. start reading books

[@carolechapman7857]

@@danielkamana5612 thats just it … I have … and I don’t see the partnership that Maori profess is part of the treaty… and I’m pretty sure that the NZ taxpayer would appreciate knowing just how much more money is going to be expected in the tribal coffers!

[@louiscarnachan3608]

Then teach yourself, Seymour is no expert. Don’t depend on him.

[@johngillanders9694]

Just read a bit about the translation based on impartial experts, not based on someone with an agenda to make individual property rights more important than all other rights and obligations, which is what Seymour is doing this for, to benefit big businesses at everyone else’s cost, by legally bypassing environmental & cultural protections.

[@davidgrosvenor1]

Surely we are all equal Willie arent we! It seems you lot want division!

[@jinjaman101]

yeop equal with a contract, thats why you don't live in a mansion. Cause you equal doh!!

[@allanwood4771]

They certainly do want division and something to Winge about.

[@teebird9575]

You can have your equal rights. Just leave our kids rights to the parents.

[@kevinansley7353]

We caught you Willy, thats why you are in opposition.

[@markjacobs2803]

Brilliant. Let's hope it's changed so all Kiwis are equal as it should be. Don't we all live in the same country?

[@logicalanswer3529]

It is very telling how every time David mentions equality, people similar minded to Willie get upset about it.

[@mr2981]

Ol' Willie bringin a plastic knife to a gunfight.

[@pgreen8531]

Yes he is just a maori activist not a politician

[@pgreen8531]

Why is a non new Zealand born indian in the new Zealand parliament? 🇳🇿

[@SJDRacingNZ]

​@@pgreen8531 Which aspect of your characterisation do you object to having in Parliament?

[@michaelhagley4762]

,@@pgreen8531 there is only one? You are right, we need more, maybe we need to start a "non new Zealand born indian" electoral roll so we can attract more hard working people like this MP.

[@johnlaing9124]

And he probably stole the knife from the MP cafe.

[@spikandspan-u8h]

equality for all please. thankyou

[@whoknows4621]

rwanda, sri lanka, yugoslavia , zimbabwe all had race based politicians, ethic ‘entreprenuers’… perhaps we need this bill to become an act to keep that type of politician from nz…

[@sunstar1630]

Willie Jackson sits in the Kumera Patch, for the New Zealand Voter kicked Labour OUT. Thank You David Seymour.

[@2700dave]

Brownlee should go and join the Labour party....what a a shocker

[@mra4955]

dont be fooled, if any civil unrest occurs, the blame can be laid squarely at labours feet

[@4HisKingdomCome]

Keep up the good work David. I totally support what you are doing, it is desperately needed to bring New Zealanders back together as one people. As a Christian, I am appalled at the so called christian leaders that oppose your Bill. They are talking from a position of ignorance at best. They do NOT represent all Christian in this country. Probably very few.

[@vinipiz]

Māori iwi are worth a combined 8.2 billion dollars. Still victims apparently

[@pauljones3062]

Yeah & these billion dollar Iwis pay NO company Tax & this needs to cease.

[@vumba1331]

Only the boys and girls at the top of the maori tree get to receive any benefit from it, they expect the rest of the country to keep paying for the others at the bottom that they have cut out. Classic grifters strategy which shows quite clearly an incredible level of moral, ethical and financial corruption against their own. Instead of being a shining beacon for their people and driving their betterment, they have denigrated all maori.

[@lindamckenzie6500]

So sad to see so many impoverished....

[@vumba1331]

@@lindamckenzie6500 Why is it so many who have moved to OZ have done really well for themselves, highly motivated? If so, what, or who, is/are holding them back? Is the 'cuzzie bro don't do better than us' syndrome that the black economist Dr Thomas Sowell writes about?

[@olliemoose2020]

Yes and I am sick and tired of giving these bludger my tax dollars, time to stop the gravy train.

[@iankjacob]

Brilliant

[@alzorataylorr.newtie]

Keep it up David! A much needed debate and I look forward to reading the bill once it is prepared.

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

I see two tier Gerry hasn't changed.

[@neilstuarr2278]

David doing the hard yards to make a good country

[@user-lf2og4kt5y]

Agree. And they will be hard yards.

[@HunkyMan777]

Willie spends too much time pulling his willie

[@robf1862]

Nice ring to it - Pullin Willy

[@user-ky8zu8ie7u]

David, you put Luxon to shame.

[@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig]

@2:00 '''''Will the Minister stop!... wasting everybody's time & resources'''' - Willie Jackson. That's exactly why you don't want Treaty clarification for all NZ, Willie... Because you want everybody to waste their tax funding you & your mates interpretation services... Clergymen of the religious faternity don't support the Bill because they share a common interest.... selling their Bible interpretation services.

[@bronwynsearle2117]

Well done David 👍🇳🇿 you handled that well😊 most of NZ supports your bill, thats why they have got their knickers in a twist ..😂

[@diggahole3056]

Go ACT! Well done

[@pspaulstewartinterviewinspires]

Absolutely, each New Zealander should be treated equally under NZ law. With clear intentions for a nation of people’s, these discussions are important. Can people bring their voice in unifying ways.

[@Kat-v2n]

Not all churches have signed the petition presented. Only the woke ones . This petition was written up by an activist group.

[@Gregsilverfox]

Yes and those ministers that did sign weren't signing on behalf of their congregation... unless they did a poll first? 😁

[@cozygung]

Even if he gets rejected here, he puts them on the spotlight and it lets us see a glimpse of their true colors. Very smart.

[@Adriano-vr9wj]

Thank you for your bravery, David!

[@modfus]

Seymour's a brave man, going toe-to-toe with one of the intellectual giants of our time 😏

[@vumba1331]

Superb sarcasm!

[@brushandshovel6512]

Mr Seymour your a ledgend 🙃

[@karentorkar8256]

They may not support it, but plenty of others do. And growing.

[@purplehaze1694]

Unfortunately for the lot of them ultimately the Silent majority support David Seymore who does not dish up rubbish on a daily basis for us all to wade through

[@toranarama1]

Willy worried about the grift

[@scollyutube]

The sooner everyone is treated as New Zealanders the better the country will be. That includes paying tax if you are a Maori business or a religious organisation.

[@howardlee5235]

David is correct. Everyone should be equal

[@tonycooper14]

Your the wasting time wlilly 😊😊😊

[@alfpayne7703]

stay strong and focus david -you are our only hope

[@DeborahTaylor-u5o]

I love your guts David, what a rock star!!❤

[@clivenz1109]

Brownlee needs to pull his head in, making disparaging remarks is not ethical for the speaker of the house...

[@badchefi]

That Chinese dude in the back is texting the whole time😂

[@annemackay-ib4gy]

Wow Willie, you lot are running scared, 😂😂😂😂😂 David you have newzealanders behind you ❤❤ your our next prime minister. It's you Willie, and all your lot who waste people's time, always have done. It makes me sick that hard working tax payers pay your lavish wages

[@Silivelio]

This is a blessing bill in terms of natural law, assistance to ensure equality for all humanity in life period. This concept of unity unifies by new ideas and developments of our lives individually and collectively with the resourceful nature and talents, skills, and gifts as coworkers of our Creator.

[@realistically-r7g]

Go David,for all New Zealanders,,,,waste of time Willie, waste of time Te Part Maori party !😊

[@DossNZ]

Grass roots may support it. Let's wait and see.

[@shaneward4065]

Go Mr Seymour you have my vote if goes to a referendum.

[@mikewilliams6086]

Everyone is entitled to equal rights! Anything else is an attack on the non maori population! Maori owning the seabed and forshore of this country is a complete break of the waitangi agreement to advantage one race which is therefore racist!

[@peterchapman8753]

Hmm, wondering what willie jackson is doing representing maori, when apparently he has no maori blood, simply askanasi jew, if anyone can clarify I would be thankful

[@GraemeLee-e1z]

Well done, David Seymour and the Act Party 💯% 👍 for your stand for equal rights on behalf of all non-racist New Zealanders. History shows that non-racist New Zealanders of all skin colors stood together in solidarity against the apartide system in South African. Now, in 2024, we as non-racist New Zealanders now have another opportunity to stand against apartide based politics, this time to stand together for the equal rights for all NZ citizens. Starting by repairing the harm done by previous governments and returning New Zealand to a prosperous society that does not divide citizens by race. Canceling the race based divide created by previous politicians to gain race based votes, most recently by the previous Adern lead government politicians aimed at forcing New Zealand citizens into a divisive race based society.

[@jizzlipps]

Willie 'my hands on it' Jackson

[@erniepeterson9569]

That's why we voted the current government in it. Is what New Zealand wants? We are sick of hearing about a bloody treaty. Keep it real.

[@shanehuang1954]

David is fighting for truth. David is fighting for the future of New Zealand as a whole. His arguments make sense, rather than Willie’s superficial claims

[@lemongate4869]

Good on you, David Seymour. It's ludicrous that people are so scared of this discussion, so opposed. It's a pathetic peasant mentality.

[@lindsayepae]

yeh, yeh ,yeh lets focus on the treaty so we dont have to deal with the real problems this country has.

[@vinipiz]

This is a real problem.

[@dash-kt7uf]

Do you want New Zealand to become a Zimbabwe then?

[@scanhead177]

You can't build a strong nation without a strong national identity. We're deciding what that's going to look like.

[@JimEmbury]

We support David Seymor!

[@UnkleSi]

We are behind you David seymour!!

[@adrianvanniekerken-lp5oj]

Willi should stop wasting time and get an educstion

[@mw844]

Willie = Division. Thank you DS for calling it correctly

[@saxdearing3395]

Why is Willie so scared? Bring on the Bill. I'll have my say in front of a Select Committee, thankyou very much. I won't be silenced by Willie or others of his ilk.

[@lynnewilkins0123]

Go David

[@dennis-qu7bs]

Good on you, David.

[@Thetartanscientist]

Every man is equal in the sight of God.

[@mikebruce7750]

I'm part Maori and I agree with David about this 😊

[@anitagill4790]

Sit down Willie - it is only you whom is making threats! Go David!

[@margrethughes4066]

Appreciate this 🙏 hard ball questioning

[@toranarama1]

All the corrupt dont want the bill , all good kids do want the bills. Kiwis are tired of one racial group get special rights.

[@PatrickQuartley]

Awesome David, you Smashed it, LOL!!!

[@OJB42]

According to surveys I've seen, the bill has a lot of support amongst New Zealanders. Unfortunate that most of our "leaders" can't support what the voters want.

[@MurrayPeterken]

Sock it to them Seymour 10|10...silly willie 0😂

[@tonygee3284]

David vs the Drunk. Jackson is the radical here

[@coreydonkin5941]

I gotta agree with Seymour. One nation. Why does one race get more benefits than others. They may have arrived in nz couple hundred years before everyone else. But a treaty was signed to live together. Not one people keep on getting benefits for been a different race. Nz is racist. Example: 1 month extra white baiting if your moari! Now that is racism 101.

[@janbrown9195]

Why so scared of a debate , that’s all it’s going to be get over yourself Willie Jackson most of us have . Good on you David Seymour I believe you are speaking for a great many New Zealanders dialogue is good for all New Zealanders on this matter.

[@donaldmartin8649]

Maybe Willy is worried about the tap being turned off

[@richarddonald5593]

David knows the shadow in the room-Maori just want to preserve their preferred status. That's it and that's all. David is even part-Maori for God's sake!

[@scoot88]

David for prime minister

[@Mel-gv4vo]

David Seymour for Prime Minister, he has more idea of what the people (ALL the people) want than Luxon does. We need a strong leader in NZ to take us forward as one people. Arden caused a lot of division, terrible PM.