Shroud attempts Throne and Liberty's hardest dungeon

[@ProvaBeK]

Watching everyone get hit by Q blockable attacks over and over again has awakened a new type of depression in me

[@gimbo70]

im so lucky im on console, as the pain it takes to type has stopped me rage typing at people lol, or smashing my £160 controller... if it was my £10 mouse it would be screwed lol

[@lewbundles8639]

I play as a wand staff healer and man that is one of the most annoying things to me. One or two people getting hit by fury attacks is no big deal but the ENTIRE team getting hit over and over ughhh I can only heal so much.

[@MajinUber]

I thought this was basic

[@SooooNerdy]

Or the healer attempting they don't know the sign to a block or mechs​@@lewbundles8639

[@aqua47flawless43]

They're complete trash they just spend money

[@Luca-cy3tg]

This dungeon is so easy man wtf. Only difficulty here is getting to lever with the huge lag and trash climb system

[@ryanking8960]

rubber banding in here is aweful.

[@boat66543]

When i do fly for lever rubber banding always drag me down to the ground so i let other do this duty lmao

[@jakamoo1990]

Literally the only difficult thing in this dungeon is the jammy performance at times

[@brunohanham3119]

@@ryanking8960get exitlag maybe

[@SimetraG]

@@brunohanham3119 exitlag doesn't prevent you from rubber banding in that dungeon

[@thefrankring]

Shroud: "Do content without expecting anything out of it, except fun." Also Shroud: Proceed to swipe all pieces of gear, so you don't need to play content and miss the fun of getting rewards.

[@PaulSmith-fd2gy]

Trying to p2W the mechs and watching them still die is music to my heart

[@critzy5803]

dead ass i spent 0$ money and not even 50 hours and im able to do this boss with ease lol

[@jadedclone6728]

​@@critzy5803same bro. I like T&L but shroud has some terrible takes here

[@imanoobtuber]

shroud is terrible at mmos. dude needs to go back to shooters

[@skykenny1373]

Don't worry guys , we will whale it out😂

[@drejohnson850]

Bro shut up and hit one perfect block.. just one

[@xsevensinsx9308]

This dude is talking about being hardwired to being compensated for your time while playing a game but is one of the biggest whales in the world

[@DWZ78]

The hypocrisy thrives in him.

[@Keyshawn13]

Bro can't conversate with his viewers? You can still have opinions and shit even if you whale. What a dumbass comment

[@Keyshawn13]

It's also easy to whale when you just write it off in your taxes or make one video or do one sponsor and pay it off 😅

[@GamingDualities]

@@Keyshawn13 and when you use fake promotional accoutns all over social media to manipulate your viewers and algorithm or simply use view bots. most big content creators are actually just scammers and manipulators and that's a fact. it is literally how this platform is designed today. for 10%. meanwhile 90% has no chance anymore. that why content creation will diee eventually. and ai...

[@TOXSiKjeff]

"doesn't have leveling as a feature" - one of the best things about MMO's

[@iiLoveMunich]

I mean its neccecary to Improvisation your own skill but whales don’t care cause the only skill they have is their wallet lol

[@deko2298]

Even buying lucent can't help bots 😂

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

Those aren't bots. The bots actually play well most of the time.

[@graphz07]

@@ripleyhrgiger4669 yeah, they probably know how to block haha

[@DemonSesshyy]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[@TexasKing100]

2:11 That genius already exists and his name is "Hidetaka Miyazaki", you know, the creator of Dark Souls, the game where knowledge trumps all

[@puppetstudio4989]

you mean every other game

[@nomaphobez]

Yah let's take shrouds perspective on mmo's lol since he is so well known for playing them.....

[@SojhiFN]

Exactly my thought lol

[@Damian-oh9pk]

If dungeon mobs dropped actual gear instead of just items like polished crystals. Doing dungeons just for “fun” could be worth it bc then there’s a chance I could make some lucent from whatever trash drops.

[@oBergerr]

if everyone can drop everything why would someone buy it from you instead of just dropping it themselves? small brain thinking bro

[@dirtydangler]

I'm F2P and selling traits from gear I didn't use that I got in dungeons made me like 4k lucent so far

[@elytschasmith2818]

@@johnconstantine5880 did you ever played metin2?

[@arkclips7081]

Ive gotten purples from mobs

[@TexasKing100]

@@oBergerr you realize that is currently how the game works? why would someone use the AH instead of farming for their own items? Cuz its easier... did you even put half a thought into that comment man?

[@BenClashin]

New to the game and mmorpgs really struggling with timing blocks while focused on healing the team (healer build) and 80 percent of people get so butthurt, how the hell im supposed to get better without doing the content? Shout out the other 20 percent who have helped me learn.

[@kiytadc]

dude is full bis perks and doesnt even know how to do the dungeon wtf.

[@szn7548]

Dude hes just stupid rich person, what do you expect

[@Jsiano91]

It's called whaling

[@zAsiansoup]

Well what do you expect for someone who only buy Equip 🤣

[@HellsTz]

He did the mech others didn't wasn't even his fault

[@ThroneLiberty-g3x]

shroud is literally describing eve online

[@SuperJaped]

There has to be a reason to start learning and thats why the reward is also important. Thats why games are so addictive because there is all those small milestones to achieve when you get better and learn the game. But also i have to say that people are different, some just like to play for "fun" and some are there more for the learning. For example i have few friends that has 1000h of cs and never even tried to learn single flashbang or smoke. They are just playing for fun and they seem to like it that way. I am more "hc" gamer and sometimes i feel i cant even play anything just for fun. There needs to be something hard to learn and some goal that im going for.

[@VoldemBald]

So the thing I only hear is: Money.

[@vazeofficial441]

bro in that game u selling items for money its not pay to win if u can farm up lucents .. wtf bro i got myself over 20k lucents just from selling items on auction for lucent ... its up to u if u buy lucent as money or farm it :D u can buy just skins and lithograps .. idk who would buy 800 dollars weapon for ur gear ... i would not just streamers and people who got money i got same bis gear as people that buying it as money and still fucked them up in pvp and pve

[@VoldemBald]

@@vazeofficial441 We all know that, but for ''rich'' people they just go: Oh look at this, I can spend 120$ just for a piece, that is nice. Lets buy that, then complain about a game? Because its an MMORPG which ALWAYS has leveling innit. You cant buy happyness with money, happyness is created with love and patience, not complaints. Imagne iff a game like this would go like: ooh lets remove the leveling and give them a maxed out character and just mobs and dungeons to swipe with their credit card. Woohooo im rich! No.. They will lose their players, what is a player in a mmorpg you ask? Simple: PLAYER= YOU ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME. (To EARN that currency like you did) But do you complain? No? You just confirmed that it is possible to PLAY the game and still enjoy it because YOU made the currency without paying! Happy Days? Yes?

[@Byrd_Gaming]

makes my heart happy knowing I cleared this easy in green/blues while they struggle with traited purples and 2x my hp. lmaoooooo

[@lessobvious]

well done, fellas

[@kasun2523]

Only hard part is to battle with the lag for Oceania players

[@brandonbaker85]

Great point. Anyone remember the study that compared warcraft to the rats clicking the button for a hit of dopamine?

[@Deepsixeden]

Learning is fun! "Fuck the mechanic"

[@Beliefmenot]

I’ve done this dungeon so many times as I want 4 purples from it, going up is so easy if you just angle it right, and as long as the Random’s grab chains after also

[@deathdealerhype7819]

The problem with this one is the chain mech on it. Its a little janky and it doesnt always work. Some ppl zone out and dont jump right as it comes up or dont notice when they are marked which causes issues.

[@zagradisek8736]

Me as a healer malding every dungeon just by seein how people are unable to dodge single attack

[@sneakysnixz8873]

"we can just skip the mech" *team dies of it* not everyone is insanly cashed through

[@erdemerbil-j1f]

can u share your build shroud ??

[@Muddimar]

Cursed Wasteland is the hardest out of the lot we have. More wipes on that boss than any other. People say they know the mechanics then fail hard and it shows.

[@ajjames1960]

its true tho, one thing i like about games especially the new ones are i got to learn them and it's the best feeling to learn something that other people dont even know. knowledge is king and it also make you grow as a person. stagnant is boring

[@mrreliable2220]

But the reality is that most people are braindead and struggle to even learn the timing to press Q.

[@critzy5803]

man seeing him do this with a over 15K build killing him in 3 times? and my 0$ build killing him with randoms in 2 tries i must be doing good

[@pantsman272]

I found this to be one of the easier bosses. I spammed this dungeon all last week for the gloves. I'd personally say cursed wasteland is what disbands most groups.

[@ban6107]

how come he can use gaia crash while on cd? or am I missing something?

[@antoniocordova1999]

I just wish they added more slots for quick skills, cant try out tanking because then id have to give up aoe quick skill slot.

[@asisonmisdias818]

Can all players just go up and stay up at the platform above boss?

[@TaylorStreckerGaming]

This was one of the first lvl 50 dungeons I beat over a week ago. It’s not that bad lol.

[@WarlogicGaming]

"Progress in a game through knowledge and nothing else". He's basically describing the current state of GW2. Once you hit level 80, which for everyone except a brand new player is immediate for every character that you make, there is no better gear or anything to strive for. The only way to improve your character is to become better with the tools that you have available to you. I'm not saying that GW2 is the perfect game, but it is a prime example of what he's talking about.

[@DarkBiCin]

Sees "hardest dungeon" and then clicks expecting a dungeon like Shikal but then get greeted with one of the easier dungeons. the only thing hard about this dungeon is the lag. the mechanic itself it pretty easy.

[@Kxng_O]

shaikal isn’t hard bro the purple mark mechanic is not even difficult, you just gotta watch for the timing and only move when he moves, stay near the center to get round him easier and you also need a competent person to open the gate for you too. i’m a dps and i know how to do it better than tanks lmao

[@filip5703]

shaikal is easy just dash over the walls of light. no need to use the horns. i am invocator and can 1v1 it cause i heal myself

[@ciaronmooney4051]

Tell me your a dps player without telling me your a dps player

[@TheMisterNebo]

For me, pugs have been easier in Temple of Slaughter than in Cursed Wasteland. People just seem to not be able to block, and I guess I can carry ToS by singlehandedly doing everything than is hard e.g. jump to the middle and do the pillars by myself, or at least one pillar and usually there's one random that will think of pulling the other. That DPS 10K man, you're full T1 geared with BIS in slot? Everything's easy at that point, my DPS hits for 200 so you can imagine it's a LOT harder, do stuff in greens, not epics, and you'll get a true feel for hard/easy.

[@DWZ78]

Its funny to hear shroud talk about what’s hurting MMO’s. Blissfully unaware i guess of what he is doing.

[@kotawells3949]

In life humans are taught not to do things for just nothing. A job wont pay you without working. People dont want to constantly grind weeks on end, to get nothing while they watch pay money do things you can only hope for in a couple weeks worth of work and time.

[@pelitasenja7478]

didnt have level as a feature , he describing albion online xD.

[@g-bobfert6998]

The question is, if he would play it, if it didn't include being able to pay for all your stuff (Talking about MMOs in particular).

[@jonezee-2]

"People aren't stupid" this guy needs to get out more lol

[@Xambaloris]

A piece of cake when compared to my teammates trying to do Cursed Wastelands

[@filip5703]

cursed wastelands is easy for me cause i am invocator and can 1v1 it. just dash over the light.

[@Xambaloris]

@@filip5703 That's noice

[@wicked87]

It's so simple dung but ppls get for some reason panic attack

[@badjuiceOffical]

bro spaming stun on boss tells a lot.

[@Dev_D8]

Butcher canyons great chat

[@Asagofficial]

Read this noveL: MMORPG: Rebirth of the Legendary Guardian Its the best portrait of MMORPG game, I ever discovered. And I believe this is the future of MMO games

[@Psyancy]

Albion actually have the knowledge thing. The only bad thing about Albion is that is full loot pvp and its focus is on and based on that and that only.

[@mustardpikachu3597]

Shroud doing paid sponsorships for Duolingo lol

[@zumasa9991]

This comment section is proof of what's wrong with gaming now a days. Relax. It's a game. If hes a whale, he's a whale. He can spend his money how he want's. He's enjoying the game. Relax. You're not actually in game no one is dying. Have an actual life.

[@HannahPen-e2n]

..Everyday I run level 50 dungeons randomly for at least 10x and objectively, boss-wise Cursed Wasteland is the hardest. Thats where most parties I encountered spend more time to clear

[@SojhiFN]

This is why I love runescape.. you can run a dungeon 100 times and never get anything. You level everything and have reasons to! To me, if runescape was a 3rd person mmo with the same concept... id never play anything else

[@christopherregalado4105]

41K LUCENTWTF SHORUD!!!

[@iconuchiha16]

Shroud i have question I'm in a guild I've been in it for roughly since launch recently the leader hasn't done much with us we're lucky enough to get 5 out of 22 people online we have 35 in a discord server and leader make a completely new guild on a launch server on top of that we have a tank that just hates doing almost any dungeon makes every excuse in the book for his struggling in them and we've literally explained the mechanics several times he'll only do open world dungeon but still complain about some of those saying you need over 2400 to 3000 power for some of these things when me and two other friends are literally killing these bosses from 80 to 70% and doing just fine in both versions of content he says he wants to do pve and pvp but hates pvp and won't do any pve unless he gets stuff out of it what should i do as guild advisor and the guild in general

[@maciejr1447]

most fun in mmo I had was doing clown in lost ark but blind. Imo one of the things that kill fun in mmos is this need to just have guides for everything to min max, people are not playing the game they are just constantly following instructions at this point. People want to complete everything instantly to get rewarded exactly how shroud say at the start. Its not an easy problem to solve tho, that way games would take way more time with how they are currently designed

[@gandulfnopls7834]

Thats the issue with online games , when i have 1 or 2 hours of play time i dont want to sit with random player figuring shit out entirety of it.

[@dalication]

you could play a lot of games by knowledge but there is millions of guides

[@jurijreicherd8349]

At the moment it doesnt exist a hard dungeon in this game

[@breakerskillz2712]

2:35 its already figured out but they wont do it for money sake

[@Killer99215]

The best mmo's.. mmo with leveling, where even when you hit "max level", you KEEP getting xp when doing content.

[@LegendaryBilly]

Elder scrolls online?

[@chrisguthrie1976]

Does he have a post of his build? Im sword and shield/Great sword as well and looking for a good build

[@marioharrer9999]

get a job throw ur wallet at the game.

[@ajjames1960]

@@marioharrer9999 ? you still didnt answer the question its doesnt even make sense. regardless of if theres a money theres a build lol

[@GodModuz]

Watch the youtuber Yatzune, he has good SNS/GS Builds

[@GonzoGev]

It is a whale build

[@marioharrer9999]

@@ajjames1960 i think i answered it pretty well, if u don't get it sounds like u issue bud.

[@MrRandomOG]

casual doesn't mean he has no skill, it just means he doesn't have as much time as others

[@xaiyeon_xiuzhen]

this and cursed wasteland; are tough the first few times XD needs lot of situational awareness, especially for tank

[@mrustbanger]

When lucent can't buy dungeons

[@Steve_R418]

The problem with what he's saying imo is mmo's by nature don't allow learning. Its a group game and if someone doesn't know how to do the mechanics they get kicked from the group. Obviously this doesn't apply if you are someone like Shroud or playing only with friends but that's not most people's experience. Just look at this comment section its just people be toxic

[@Carlos-ym6sc]

He sells loot to others in his own guilds get from the bosses them selfs

[@buzzb0mb371]

is there a reason why he is jumping all the time, or is it just a habit?

[@MrPinballWizzard]

fun fact, lot of people enjoy pve content over pvp content :) BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO yall wana be negative about it

[@BooREK]

MO that doesn't have leveling as a feature is Eve Online ............. So there is an MMO like that that exist.

[@von6431]

classic example of how being p2w does not make you stronger if you are poor in the “hardest” dungeon

[@farbrornilsson9709]

That is one of the easier dungeons 😂😂😂 Try Cursed wasteland.

[@incarnationx903]

I agree I used my chest to get tokens for that dungeon it was pure cancer this fight is insanely easy if everyone does their roles even a full set of 1600 power rankings can do it

[@MarshalLawTV]

Money can't buy skill.

[@SaveaJo]

Let me see you cheese the sheep mech in duke magna 😂 love it one attempt n "alright we can just skip the mech" after starting the vid "the best part is learning"

[@VISOVNI]

means nothing coming from a millionaire without a care in the world.

[@eliasruatti9173]

I welcome you to erebu

[@zAsiansoup]

P2W Equipment and still not better 😂 i love it

[@raens9439]

Go back to shooters lil bro. MMO is not for you if you cant do some easy dungeons with full bis 😂

[@LumieX]

Huh lol, it wasn't his fault they wiped and they cleared easily next try face tanking the mech lmao

[@nomanmon]

cringe comment

[@raens9439]

Got some fan boys in the chat. He'll notice you one day for being a white knight

[@nomanmon]

@@raens9439 womp womp

[@raens9439]

@@nomanmon my point exactly lil kiddo

[@Cjbreezey]

Yea, learning is fun, but than KZbin comes along, and the learning is over because someone put up a 10-minute guide on a fight, so now if you don't watch it, people will flame you and not play with you. The internet has brought so many interesting things to people and knowledge, but it has also ruined so many things. When wow came out, guides and videos were practically non-existant, which was probably the last moment that a game was not min maxed by the player base.

[@jimmy2643]

Shaikal // Wasteland is probably the hardest mechanically. I've done all of them atleast 10x. Slaughter or Destruction may be the hardest for healers. Bad healer == bad time

[@sage7487]

was only hard when it first came out they nerfed it by going from 4 chains to 2. the only hard part is the buggy pillion in the middle to allow you to use chains.

[@brandonbaker85]

Learning reward example. Sea of theives. We have all the same weapons and gear. We just learn how to use them better. I think physics would be one of the better elements to use.

[@09MENIM3]

SURELY Cursed Wasteland is worse right? I am a tank aswell and they way everyone does the purple vomit mechanic on wasteland is cancer for the tank, you gotta stand on 1 pixel between the vomit and the yellow line that you cant see :D once you get 1 person handy enough to do the top lever on Rex its not that hard

ive done this dungeon a million times its so easy

[@InsomniaNations]

Tibia did it

[@OG_Lops]

Cmon shroud spend 25k on max gear and cant even do temple of slaughter

[@KuroSs__]

HARD the concept ''hard'' only applies in mythic wow dungeons, FF , and LA .

[@LegendaryBilly]

So those are the only mmos you played, all right

[@josephmaldonado757]

Yes not all people are dumb, but the ones that are keep you trying in dungeons for 30 mins strait cause they can’t read or want to turn on VC, couldn’t even explain NOT TO STAND IN THE FREAKING CIRCLE to a random the other day the guy for 30 mins strait died every time in circle, had another guy qued for healer cause he was tired of waiting and no one noticed there was no heals till 5 mins in and we all were dieing and this guys wasting people’s time…so yes people are not stupid, but a majority of console players don’t understand MMO and it shows…

[@FlorimoriXD]

10:52 good skill use 👍

[@DARSIAH]

That MMO already exists, it's Guild Wars 2.

[@seekelectricity]

the fractals in that game are some of the worst dungeon designs in an mmo ive ever played lol

[@96Caleb96]

​@@seekelectricity So yiu're the guy always falling on the simple jumping puzzles 🤔

[@massyl25]

​@@seekelectricitylmao gg I give you the trophy of the shiitiest take of the week. And don't give me '' it's my opinion''. You probably just got rekt.

[@seekelectricity]

@@96Caleb96 thanks for proving my point! the "simple jumping puzzles" are fun for precisely ONE (1) time and after that they become utterly brain dead and boring to do. and its funny that the only redeemable thing you could think of was the jumping puzzles lmfao! also proves my point because other than that its mindless dps checks. everyones a dps! just spam your abilities and kill the boss xD yeah so fun so ingenious

[@seekelectricity]

@@massyl25 what lol? if i got rekt that would be fun! thats what i want! i want to repeatedly get destroyed by a boss or a mechanic and have to problem solve my way around it with other players. i wanted to love gw2 so much but jesus fuck the end game fractals are utterly braindead! oh cool i get to do a jumping puzzle that stays the exact same every time i run the dungeon and then spam my abilities on a boss with 4 other dps. if there were difficult mechanics to figure out that rewarded focus, teamplay and mechanical skill i wouldnt say the content is doggy. nice try anyway though i guess

[@justicegenesis6726]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@Drowned_Corpse.]

My guy never played T&L to call it “the hardest dungeon” 😂

[@ninovandalen4818]

this is not the hardest one lmao what a joke

[@boredom9160]

whats the hardest in your opinion?

[@bigreddaman5988]

I was thinking the same thing lol, at 2900 gs my groups kill him before the mechanic even happens

[@bigreddaman5988]

​@@boredom9160wasteland or butchers for sure

[@farbrornilsson9709]

@@boredom9160 Cursed wasteland is the hardest dungeon.

[@matthewheuskin5732]

@@bigreddaman5988 bro said butchers lol

[@lysiah3383]

This is hands down the easiest with tyrannes isle and deathabyss.

[@ETRNLXO]

this isn't even the hardest dungeon... what

[@Xthasys]

The more P2W the player is, the less he squeezes the parry

[@Akashicstorm]

jajaja shaikai is the mvp, the noobkiller ,the goat ,the chosen one and the same time the most easy.

[@rowllenscunanan3096]

Albion Online is not leveling system

[@cameroncaver2118]

Shroud has to understand knowledge won’t work because information is streamlined so fast now a days those games we enjoyed back before streamers took over the gaming space is why we don’t enjoy games anymore for example people most of my friends play D4 won’t even try a new class unless someone on KZbin or there favorite streamers to say what’s buffed or nerfed or what’s the next best combo set up but untill then they won’t even theory craft..and because of this hyper form of gaming and information sharing devs have to create these bog down systems to slow the pace in which gamers are gaming because there is no more since of exploring and mystery just wait for the next person who job it is to play games and wait for them to tell you what to do

[@JakeStevenson-i5o]

Wtf.. we one phase this boss????

[@Rudeuslul]

If outta touch was a person it be Shroud. What it would take a normal person weeks to achieve Shroud has done in days ofc he’s gonna feel unrewarded running content when he already whaled himself to the top. And then the background content is just the cherry on top this just goes to show p2w doesn’t equate to skills, can’t Q block to save his life and aggros every mob when you can just skip 99% of them. In my opinion don’t take anything Shroud says as advice or factual he doesn’t think from “normal” player perspective just watch him for content snd entertainment.