Shubble Response to Goergenotfound, Wilbur Mental Health & New Victims

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Shubble Response to Goergenotfound, Wilbur Mental Health & New Victims
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[@CC-lt7xv]

As an 18 year old girl, Shubble has got to chill. George is not guilty of SA and Caitie is not a victim of anyone but herself.

[@Noxologyy]

Thats something a young and impressionable person would say (im also 18)

[@noice-x7u]

Shut up

[@CinnamonCaramelStick]

I just turned 19 and Shubble, I love her to death, but this is NOT it. We are not children, and we most certainly are not kids. Most of the people I went to school with are pregnant, married, or both, and I wish I was one of them. I'm only 7 months older than Caiti and I would NEVER refer to myself as a child. A stupid young adult? Yes. But a CHILD? Im old enough to have, birth, and raise one of those safely and responsibly if financial issues weren't a thing. I remember literally everyone being like "18 is fair game" why does everyone switch up so quick when it means they can cause someone suffering, and why is it always the men? I've seen so many women get away with creeping on little boys. I grew up with cougars being normalized until I was 14. But a man touching a woman's stomach after hours of her giggling and cuddling him? The guillotine apparently. I'm a victim of SA. I stand with Shelby. I do not stand with Caiti. Please stop making the men scared to even breath near us, it's making things significantly hard for those of us who want to pursue traditional relationships.

[@CaspiDrako]

Life experience gives you a lot. I get you don't feel like a child, I understand because when I was 19 I felt the same, but I'm 22 now and thinking about 19 year olds feels like thinking about 16 year olds when you're 19. You change so much in that time. Shelby is much older than both of us, and it is very reasonable for her to think of us as kids. I know you don't want to change your mind because you don't want to feel betrayed by a person you like, but try to see the situation from Caiti's perspective. And also trust Shelby and all the other creators who support her. They know her and George better than you do. I just want you to think about it a bit and stew in the possibility that he did hurt her. It is disgusting for someone his age to do the things Caiti explained to her. To him, she was a child.

[@mysweetlyrobin]

@@CaspiDrako Exactly, and an 18 year old doesn't immediately gain all the experiences to being an adult.

[@victoria-cp4ui]

I think its weird that you view being married or pregnant as being adults. You can be forced to have children earlier than 18; it does not mean you are mature enough to have them. You viewing yourself as not a child as someone thats 20 is you wanting to be grown. Hyper sexualization in children is why people are pregnant as teenagers and why girls have to grow up so fast. You dont need to be married or pregnant at so young. You want male validation more than you want to understand why Caiti felt gross, why her being 18 and him being 26 isn't seen as kinda weird. She would be leaving highschool; he would be able to have a full master's degree and be a doctor. You want men to be comfortable with women despite you saying you were a victim of SA and not understanding why women are uncomfortable with men. decenter men from your life. You turned 19; your frontal lobe has still not developed. You still don't have a lot of experience. Why should I care if men are scared to be around women if they are not actually guilty? Does you writing that make men love you more and love that you can invalidate caiti's feelings? men will never be scared enough to leave women alone lol its the same reason why there are so many victims of SA and you saying that doesnt make anything change. you can pursue traditional relationships easily still babe!

[@eggs_eggo]

This is getting worse and worse, allegations that are harming people and even worse, new victims

[@alicatfelix5144]

And not all people are real victims and come for views

[@Rotmagpie]

​@@alicatfelix5144 and some people take advantage of these allegations.

[@redninja6929]

Dude caiti is not a victims she’s fake, and she admits it’s all fake in her second response video, no one is falling for her bullshit, and idek why Shelby is responding to a situation that has nothing to do with her, let’s just admit it she wants clout like every other so called “victim” it’s all bs never believe all women Team come to your own conclusion 👇

[@Rotmagpie]

@@redninja6929 she's probably is talking about how Wilbur treats Tommy when Tommy was still a minor.

[@redninja6929]

@@Rotmagpie let me get this straight she’s still talking about Wilbur? Wow she really is in love with the guy, considering this is a George not found video not Wilbur and not only that but again, SHE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION SHE SHOULDN’T EVEN BE RESPONDING TO THIS SITUATION AT ALL

[@laurie3607]

I think caitis and shubbles situations are so different that they shouldn’t be put under the same situation. Shubble set her boundaries many times and they were broken, very different to what sounds to me like a huge misunderstanding with George and Caiti that has gotten way out of hand.

[@oelekegel]

exactly

[@Rotmagpie]

Wilbur did it multiple times while George did it the one time

[@gaymer5697]

What did george do... ticklegate is insane.

[@Nat-id8zl]

@@gaymer5697 cati is saying he sa'd her. it was most likely a big misunderstanding; she does feel right in her sa thing tho. i think she regretted it but it def wasnt as bad as fans make it out to be.

[@gaymer5697]

@@Nat-id8zl You can feel whatever you want. It isn't sa to grab someones waist when you have been cuddling.

[@phitim905]

I just want shubble to address the 3 kids who've taken their own lives because of HER fans that have been harrasssing literal *children* for supporting the musician and streamer whose content has has such a hige impact on them. I also want her to address the stuff she said about mental health that's been blowing up on reddit (ofc it's on reddit) I'll support shubble but if its hard when she completely ignores the kids who her fans have ended. And when she says that depression doesn't exist. I haven't seen the clip of her saying this, but a bunch of people on reddit have talked about it and got really pissed.

[@theLemonaide]

wayyyy more than three :/

[@upcrystal]

@@theLemonaide12…+

[@A-Random-Homosexual666]

@@upcrystalHoly shit, this whole time I’ve been worried about Wilbur but look like I’m gonna have to worry about my fellow Wilbur supporters… Shelby is legitimately a bad person for this and MULTIPLE other things… my respect for her has dropped to the negatives…

[@smatthews72]

yes bc reddit is the absolute authority on truth

[@A-Random-Homosexual666]

@@smatthews72 Given Shelby’s “wonderful” takes on therapy, I don’t think the claims are fake

[@ShadyRK9]

I feel like this has escalated so badly! What is happening?! 💀

[@DiverThe3rd]

Idk seems goofy 💀

[@felix_a_fiend]

People don’t want their uwu white boy to be a bad person smh. They’re enablers….

[@HelloIm_Grace]

@@DiverThe3rd wilbur soot abused Shelby and now people are sending him death threats and stuff

[@DiverThe3rd]

@@HelloIm_Grace womp womp womp woooooomp

[@HelloIm_Grace]

@@DiverThe3rd I know this is serious but that made me laugh you win! 🥇

[@Chromatome]

The fact that people (let alone children) harass and threaten abuse victims for fun is disgusting, the world truly is at its lowest right now.

[@lausacsanduan2942]

Why is it at its lowest right now?

[@eduvaldivia7812]

Yep world war 2 is a solid number 2 lmao

[@lollmemmSm0keweed]

I will allow that. Kids are just kids. Let them live and learn

[@three752]

I wouldn't say the lowest, there were times when people used to kill people for no reason.

[@sallypatel3007]

​@@three752This still happens

[@Coffeeboy17]

Goddammit i just want play minecraft and be happy 😔

[@totallynottobias]

can't be happy if you want to be in the mcyt community 😭

[@Coffeeboy17]

I've noticed 😔

[@8Asterism8]

@@totallynottobias unless youre into the hermitcraft and adjacent creators

[@angelasmith7830]

​@@8Asterism8nope, remember the past members?

[@Celia-4312]

Go check out Herlitcraft/Life series community!❤

[@Maxine_is_nice]

okay.. that caiti girl is obviously lying,she reminds me of lila rossi 💀i'm not even kidding rn.

[@squibbbbbbbinkkkk8632]

Omg…. That’s so true

[@Blueberry29537]

timestamps 0:01 death threats, toxic ppl 5:30 about befriending children as an adult and how to treat them 12:50 more on toxic ppl 15:50 twitter 18:30 treat ppl w respect or wtv 19:50 victim blaming 20:07 move forward 20:40 supporting an abuser 21:55 story abt her cousin 21:10 no family met her partners 21:40 reliable source first 22:40 grateful for supporters 24:00 stop allowing toxicity 24:15 people shared experiences 26:35 excuses

[@Everyonegobrr]

Thx dude🙏

[@donniedude]

you are a saint

[@Blueberry29537]

@@Everyonegobrr no problem 🔥🙏

[@Blueberry29537]

@@donniedude thanks man

[@shamrous7368]

"18 years old" escalated to "teenagers" and then escalated to "kids" what the actual fuck????

[@mech0p]

Yea, thats wild. At 18 your an adult! You may be a dumbv adult but your still an adult and if she doesnt like it she should try to get the age changed.

[@tedemery82]

yeah that was weird - also she lied about her age

[@DetectiveStablerSVU]

"he's 30! Well, almost 30, he's 26!" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@kathybiggs2258]

@@DetectiveStablerSVU it doesn’t matter at 18 you’re considered an adult

[@Litwicks_Lament]

It's actually insane her mentality towards 18 y/O's. I have no beef with Shubble, I actually like her content. But to act as if being 18 in the Caiti George situation matters is so wild to me. Age gaps are normal and have existed for MUCH longer than any of us. Not to mention it's LEGAL? I myself am 18 and the idea that older people should baby and mentor me just because I'm not as experienced irks me. I'm an adult, not a child. You have no idea what I've been through and I'm much more mature than other older adults I've met. To act as if an 18 y/o is completely innocent in this situation strictly because of age is wild and so wrong. "Don't mess with teenagers" Why isn't the message just to not mess with people in general?? Like, what 😂

[@Hoshi_Hoshi_21]

At least 18 year old me knows not to make personal issues a public fuckin drama scene in front of a million people

[@thisisntallowed9560]

What if George didn't know Caiti was 18, and moved in really slowly in order to give her the time to say no, and interpreted Caiti getting up and coming back to him as a sign she was comfortable with him? I don't think George is a bad person for not reading her mind. They were both drunk cuddling on a couch for an hour before he did it. And she's like "I will never be the same person again." I'm sorry but cry me a river. It's not to say that she didn't feel hurt. She consented in the moment but later regreted it. George apologized and said he'll be more mindful in the future. What do you want more?

[@catlo1309]

Ain't not way your supporting him.. yall are the reason why humanity is bad 💀

[@Project_Arcadeinlight]

​@@catlo1309society itself Made it Self Worse?.- Within the Span of Second's. Just Saying..-. ( / When 2023 Passed 2024 Came By.- & Everything..- Went STRAIGHT DOWN.- literally, )

[@jmancktelow]

Wristband cough wristband cough cough

[@Nat-id8zl]

@@jmancktelow cati wasnt the one with the wristband. fans took it wrong, gnf said it was ONE of the girls who had the band. not that it was cati.

[@honorrrrrrr]

@@Nat-id8zlas someone who does not like the dsmp at all, it isn't about whether or not caiti herself was wearing the wristband. it's about the fact that you needed to be 21+ and you needed to have a 21+ wristband to GET IN. she was at an after party for a 21+ event and was drinking alcohol at this after party. he wasn't assuming she was 21+, he had SOLID GROUNDS TO BELIEVE she was 21+. i don't think caiti deserves the backlash she is getting, the way people speak about her is disgusting. and i don't think it is wrong for her to regret what happened. but she needs to gather her thoughts before coming onto social media and speaking on this, she's making an incredibly serious claim and has far too many inconsistencies. like the fact that she said she wouldn't be lying, because she has no reason to lie and get clout from this. because she doesn't even want a career in content. but her original claim was that the only reason she was okay with the assault was because that is how she thought she would "get in" with the big creators and further a content career.

[@xPiratex]

Ykw, if somebody says I'm victim blaming Caiti, sure, I am. Regret is 100% valid, those feelings? Valid. But to make it public and accuse him of sexual assault or of being a predator? Then later, being disproven in many points (George's 2nd video) and your own best friend saying that your story of events during that night wasn't completely (or even like 50-60% true). Underage drinking (crime), sneaking into a 21+ party (crime)... You should 100% get better friends for encouraging you to do this and buying you alcohol. She was an adult, I don't care if people say she was naive, I'm naive, but I had more common sense at 12 years old. Also, you can feel uncomfortable by ticking or being lightly squeezing on the side, but you're doing a disjustice to actual victims. I dont want to invalidate her experience because she deserves to feel bad if she regrets it. Those feelings are valid. But accusing somebody of sexual assault for ticking you? Also, George, men, and people in general are not mind readers. George had multiple sources admit that they didn’t see her act uncomfortable and thought everything was just normal. If she was feeling something else? Well, she shouldve said something. Now, she said she felt lucky to be next to George, and I'm so sorry she felt pressured to sit there, but dont blame that on George when you've just met him and he hasnt displayed any arrogant or asshole like characteristics.

[@s8tansbitch_92]

perfectly said

[@ggg-ng3tm]

Now she's changed her story again and said that he touched her breasts lmao. Every time the story switches up and changes like that it just makes it harder for me to believe. I can't even remember all the inconsistencies and straight up lying or lies by omission she has been caught in at this point because every response she posts there is something else or the story just completely changes like her original response she never mentioned cuddling and said he just randomly grabbed her basically but the second response or tweet or whatever she admits they were spooning but somehow it wasnt relevant to the allegation, like what??? Thats insane.

[@A-Random-Homosexual666]

I’m 13 and I know better, Catti is just insane

[@Sratusz_320]

God people on the internet need to get into peoples private lives like they were there? Its so stupid. Both the people who harass shelby and people who ENCOURAGE suicide to wilbur. Like jesus christ you dont know anything about this situation yet you act like you saw it happening bro. It can literally all be a lie and you wouldnt know because you dont know the people involved personally and you just have a parasocial relationship with them. If there's anything this situation has taught me is to never trust anything on the internet

[@Positivityforhellscape]

As a victim, Caiti isn't a victim. Point blank.

[@EmaŠťastná-y5g]

I am 14 and in my short life i have been sexually abused twice first time when i was 12 by my bff’s older brother ( He touched my on my private spots) second time like month ago by my classmates ( they made sexuall jokes about my body bc i have big butt and breasts ) and it made me feel burnt out . Also to the Caiti situation i support George but as a victim i also support Caiti bc they both kinda f*cked up . ( i also cover my body with baggy clotesbc im ashamed of myself) also my classmates make fun of my height i know its out of line what im talking about but they make fun of me bc im the shortest in my class iam actually NOT that short im 5’4 but they made me feel like an outcast and support victims

[@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs]

Hey u aren’t short ok? That’s actually a very average height where I’m from! Keep your head up! I’m sure you’re beautiful and I hope u get surrounded by better people soon

[@sijka_mint]

It’s terrible that you encountered this, I hope you'll be fine. May you be surrounded by the best people. Every person is beautiful in their own way! For a 14 year old girl this is normal height. hey Later you'll get even taller (I’m the same height as you, but I’m older. I often hear people say that I’m a cute height)

[@EmaŠťastná-y5g]

@@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs thanks

[@EmaŠťastná-y5g]

@@sijka_mint thank you

[@Imnotchay]

as 5 foot person your not short at all

[@CisternRumblings]

When you're 18 you're old enough to join the military and take lives, but _not_ old enough to cuddle on a couch....

[@Fiemus9]

The worst thing is what these girls don’t realise is that they’re fucking taking away the agency we women have fought for and continue to fight for. The freedom of choice and autonomy. You can’t both want that freedom and then claim you’re just a minor according to both stories nothing George did was forced, I mean feck the guy even backed down when the girl wasn’t into it anymore, according to BOTH stories It’s actually so tragically hilarious that even if we take her story 100% as she described it it’s still not SA This situation genuinely makes me so angry, both for victims but actually and maybe unpopularly also for all the guys that have to navigate in such an impossible world now, I mean guys are just not emotionally intelligent, and suddenly they’re expected to mind-read and pick up on the smallest shit? I know the question did you say no can be victim blaming- BUT ONLY IF WE TALK ACTUAL coercion or grape or force. You can and should say no, you can’t fecking expect people to know that you’re not interested if you cuddle and diddle Hell I’m really bad at that, and I’ve definitely given guys the wrong impression before. I put nothing in it and I’m not good at social cues, but I would never blame them for it! Actually I say sorry if I give someone the wrong impression!

[@A-Random-Homosexual666]

You can choose who RUN the country but, apparently, you still a kid. Ever time I hear Shelby say something, she get dumber🫠

[@Flux4theK]

"18 can never be responsible" Me:.........wooooooooooooow

[@AidenAimeeLeach]

I feel like this situation has escalated too far for anyone to handle There are people k*lling their self because of what the Shubble supporters have said People are going back and forth to Wilbur and Shelby and sending them death threats and their addresses And now it’s affecting the other cc’s The sooner everything calms down and we find those who are guilty and those who are innocent the better

[@theamazingpoof2205]

Shubbles fans forced a boy, Aiden to suicide and instead of addressing it she took a break from Twitter. She has also deleted tweets of her liking death threats and harassment. And to top it off her followers have leaked child explicit videos of wilbur. I hope your happy shubble. 4 people have died because of this. And in her stream apparently she said Aidens death was a lie and a f**ing joke. Doxxing him and his family (his mom) Death threats Leaking child explicit videos THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR I'm glad now more proof about shubble is coming out. Right now from what I've heard it's 50/50

[@featherocket]

My take on the situation is that both sides are in the wrong.. Wilbur absolutely should not have done it but at the same time shelby should NOT of taken a matter so serious to her mainly TEENAGE FANS they're teenagers, not therapists. She should of gone to the police first more than anything, close friends or relatives...but no...the teenage fans... She's made the situation worse for EVERYONE, not just wilbur but herself and others too, she's getting attacked her self, which never would of happened if she had kept the matter private and gone to the police first. Other youtubers are now getting falsely accused of similar things, as more people wanna 'jump on the band wagon of the next Internet drama' which again, woulsnt of happened if she had kept it off the Internet...

[@claudiacat4249]

I agree. I love Shelby, she is a great person, but she made a bad move here. I honestly dont know what she expected when she decided to talk about her experiences, omiting Wilburs name, but also alluding so hard to him. Things really spiraled out of her control and now things are so much worse. I miss DSMP, but its a lot harder to watch now with Techno gone, knowing about Wilbur, and starting to see the moments where Wilburs mistreatment bled into it. Idk if i worded thst correctly, but... ya know... just saying, im right there with you.

[@spaceowl5957]

I feel like it's so simple. She's saying the truth and sharing her experiences and that's her full right to do. She's not responsible for people making death threats or whatever and she's been very outspoken against such behaviour in this video. That was like half of this video is is her saying that telling anyone to kys is completely unacceptable to her. And on the other hand I even think sharing these kinds of experiences can be very helpful to people who are also being emotionally abused to help them understand what they are going through and help them feel less crazy and protect themselves. That's also an intention she expressed and it makes a lot of sense to me. At no point has she encouraged abuse of Wilbur as far as I could see. She has simply shared her story and her experience and seemingly with good intentions. In no world is she the bad guy in this situation. That's so absurd and fucked up that people think she's the bad guy to me. Except if she is lying but I really don't think she is. Especially with other people speaking out about Willbur being abusive, it feels very unlikely to me.

[@quackitysboy_]

This happen to me someone doxx my number and send gore real life death video saying that i am going to end up like that all because i have ghostbur as my pfp. They can even see in my bio that i was on Shelby's side not Wilbur

[@VanellikaB]

I am so sorry that happened to you. This has turned out to be such a mess on both sides. Stay strong, it has helped me to just take down any posts I have ever made about either person and lay low for a while.

[@quackitysboy_]

@@VanellikaB thank you for your kind word! I recently just change my number due to how overwhelmed i am got those text messenger from people that i barely know

[@idunno8789]

That’s so disgusting and way too far. I’m so sorry that happened. I hope you’re doing okay that sounds terrifying. I don’t know why people think that’s okay or a correct way to show their support or that Shelby would even want them to do that?? It’s so crazy and out of hand :(

[@donalvarito3165]

Many of them don't think they're lying and that's probably due to how much sexual harrassment and non-consensual touching has been normalized during their life.

[@DetectiveStablerSVU]

It's been normalized?

[@k_wl]

which situation are u talking about, george or wilbur

[@donalvarito3165]

​@@k_wlPerpetrators of SA whose first reaction is a reactionary denial that they committed SA

[@k_wl]

@@donalvarito3165 eyah but which one, cuz george didnt commit SA, caiti is very clearly overexaggerating the situation

[@k_wl]

@@donalvarito3165 which are u talking about tho, george or Wilbur, cuz from the story, george doesnt seem like an SAer and Wilbur does

[@CH22Live]

Anyone else lost a good amount of respect for Shelby after she streamed this?

[@Eden_Edits_Music]

MB I MENT LOST ALL OF IT

[@mechanicaIbr1de]

Lost all

[@JessN0tHere]

Yea

[@Jittzi]

all down the drain

[@imnotgoodwithnames.26]

Yeah, all gone.

[@spacepigeonarmy7776]

Shelby got UNANIMOUS support, and her fans began doxxing and threatening people who stayed neutral/supported Wilbur, and began complaining how she was called a whore. She did not experience even 5% of the hate that Wilbur got. The things she says during her live is horrible.

[@alicialynch]

Oh Boo hoo

[@spacepigeonarmy7776]

@@alicialynch A very mature response from a very mature individual, I see🙄🙄🙄

[@anna-nc3xq]

why wouldnt an abuser get hate... its a literal crime

[@spacepigeonarmy7776]

@@anna-nc3xq An “abuser” does not deserve to get death threats, harassment threats, doxxing threats, actually getting doxxed. It’s not proved that he is an abuser. Show me the evidence that he is, when he literally denied the claim

[@anna-nc3xq]

@@spacepigeonarmy7776 he literally has video proof of him biting people and showing violent tendencies to his friends, including his teenage friend at the time. and various people who used to be his friends have spoken out about him and/or shared their own experiences. ofc hes going to deny the allegations but saying “im not an abuser” doesn’t suddenly make you not an abuser…….

[@mgh723]

What is happening? Like genuinely what is happening?? Can’t the Minecraft KZbin community have a moment of peace??? Everyone thinks their too powerful to get cancelled 😭

[@Randy_Racc00n]

I just stuck my head in the hermitcraft sand like an ostrich and have never taken my head out

[@volkova6209]

What do you mean what is happening? minecraft youtubers are really big and usually woke people, with woke fanbases. It's really not surprising that they get targeted and falsely accused of things. Shubble did it, and now a lot of people are throwing fake allegations, it's not really that surprising. It's how the internet has always been with content creators, idk why people are acting like this is new..

[@Randy_Racc00n]

@volkova6209 I hope I read that wrong, but are you saying that Shubble was lying about Wilbur. Or are you just saying that a lot of the liars happened due to Shubble?

[@mgh723]

@@Randy_Racc00n I’m saying just people in the Minecraft community even unrelated to shubble are just doing shit that get them allegations and idk why 😭

[@mgh723]

@@volkova6209 I’m just saying like within the first 3 or 4 months of 2024, dream, Wilbur and then George like wtf

[@achannel2628]

Shelby, being an adult herself, should know how strong her influence would be on the internet. She certainly knew that thousands of people would send of others death threats because of the way she shared her story online. I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilbur has had to endure twice the abuse that she has just in the past few months, and even if abused her, humans are humans. The whole situation makes it seem like she’s manipulating her fans into taking her revenge out

[@BluAru]

Using "humans are humans" as an excuse for intentionally and repeatedly hurting someone is craaaazy😭

[@achannel2628]

@@BluAru I’m using humans are humans as a reason not to attempt to ruin someone’s career and lead a hoard of suicide threats

[@BluAru]

@@achannel2628 He can work in other places. Someone who intentionally hurts others unapologetically (not sincerely, anyway) doesn't deserve a platform. I do agree that people go too far with death threats, though. Death threats are never okay, no matter who they're towards. I believe Wilbur should break off from the internet for a long while to better himself, genuinely better himself. I still think saying "humans are humans" is completely uncalled for in this situation. Humans are humans, but most humans are not bad people. Wilbur is either a bad person or has done too many bad things to justify behind "he's human."

[@achannel2628]

@@BluAru I guess I just disagree, I think the punishment does not match the crime

[@BluAru]

@@achannel2628 I think some aspects of the punishment match the crime, but others are too far. I'm not gonna defend or side with anyone who tells him to kill himself or wishes physical or mental harm on him. Death threats aren't okay, no matter who they're pointed at

[@SunsetAllu]

There's something very wrong and off about her in every video, and it's getting more noticeable Also, isn't she victim blaming by saying deppression is an excuse? Her own community has harrassed Wilbur fans that are just waiting for evidence and existing in peace and thats all she has to say?

[@kelliellsworth748]

No, she’s not victim blaming. Depression is not an excuse to abuse someone. There isn’t going to be more proof. I understand we’re you are coming from I was a Wilbur fan about a year ago and he was very good at fostering a par-asocial relationship with his audience. I’m not necessarily saying that applies to you but it might be better to take a step back from how you want to feel about it and consider what is actually known about the situation. From what I can figure, the situation has played out in a way that suggests that shubble is telling the truth.

[@SunsetAllu]

@@kelliellsworth748 It doesn't excuse Shelby fans telling Wilbur fans to kill themselves and harassing them, I think you need to take a step back and re-read what I said if you don't understand it.

[@TheeTrashGremlin]

Literally. I feel like there's the superiority factor of "Hey I'm a pretty girl streamer" if you get what I mean. We've done lost lovejoy for now, they canceled cause of his health, and we just lost sorry boys until further notice. All I want is a check up from will to even know if he *is* still here :'/

[@imnotgoodwithnames.26]

@@kelliellsworth748 I completely agree that Shubble was telling the truth, but the way she's handling shit after coming out about her story is completely trash. In fact, the way she handled it in the beginning (i.e telling the internet IN THE FIRST PLACE) is completely trash. The way she leaves so many things vague makes her lose any credibility she has. She should be clearly stating what she's talking about. Like for example, in this VOD itself, it's really unclear what she's talking about when it came to the whole age gap thing. Is she talking about the Caiti and George situation, or Wilbur and Tommy? And if she's talking about Caiti and George, then why is she deleting comments about it (as I've been told she's been doing by sources)? This seems to me like she's purposefully not stating what she's talking about just to avoid backlash if it turns out that what she's yapping about is absolute dogshit. Another thing, have you listened to a word she said during this stream? At all? They're ridiculously self-centered, despite how seemingly innocent and good they were. And let's not even fucking talk about her mental health stance. It's so dehumanizing for someone like me with a messed up mental state and IED. And no, I am not saying all this as a Wilbur fan, I dropped that bitch as soon as I saw his trash "apology" that isn't even an apology to begin with, more like a statement. But I am saying this as someone who can see that something really is off with her. I don't know what that is, but it's there. I'm also saying this as someone who genuinely wanted her to address the way her fanbase is being so toxic, as I have been personally attacked by one of her fans and been told to "kys" all because I stated that Wilbur should be getting the proper mental help that he needs while having proper punishment. You have no idea how angry I got when I jumped into her stream and waited for her to say something only to end up with nothing helpful. All she talked about was how people shouldn't be sending death threats and insults to her and her fans, nothing else. I understand that, truly, but shouldn't it be a universal thing, not just for you and all of your followers? Like come on.

[@charlieGoodick]

Thanks you so much for the updates, I like to stay updated in this situation but find it hard to catch streams, so again thank you and all the love to everyone ❤❤

[@manu-animation-924]

Bro she wasn’t just turning 18 I support her but she clearly didn’t see every part of the allegations. She is basing herself only from the first video of Caiti. Gnf is innocent from all of her allegations stop idolizing and making victims always like perfect peoples.

[@calysdead]

i think she was talking more about how will acted with tommy, billzo and ranboo when they turned 18 on some parts of that rant.

[@manu-animation-924]

@@calysdead oh thx wasn’t clear for me cuz she changed subject quickly between Caiti and will relations

[@spelcheak]

@@calysdead Tommy was the one who said “i’m a child” all the time, which is weird that he’d keep saying it after he passed the age of consent.

[@sprout8627]

@@spelcheak habits die hard, I still do it sometimes because it’s a younger adult thing

[@sprout8627]

@@kalecccxi333 wtf is wrong with you-

[@SkeletonS1S1]

"Dislikes disabled by owner" That's always a suspicious sign.

[@b1oodymyth14]

Alright, enough is enough. I am TIRED of people making such a big deal out age gaps. CAITI WAS 18! What is 18, a LEGAL ADULT. Since George was proven innocent of the SA allegations, EVERYONE still wants to down play him for CONSENTLY CUDDLING with a 18 YEAR OLD. No cares about her age. And if you do, you probably it's weird for that age gap to exist. Well guess what, they are legal, it's not SA, and 18 years olds DO NOT want to be babyed! I am 18 and I have consently cuddled with two grown men in their late 20s while drunk. The only difference between my situation and Caiti is, I knew these men beforehand[of them since last August]. Regardless, me and Caiti both felt comfortable in the situation and encouraged it. The people in the house were not concerned for my safety and the friends who were concerned for Caiti AFTER the party admitted they didn't like Dream and his friends, along with finding the age gap WEIRD. That's the point, the friends found the age gap weird and Caiti regretted the moment after thinking too much of it. The moral here is not to protect 18 year olds, it's not to be a shitty individual, which SHE IS. And to everybody who cries about the age gap, CONTINUE to cry, because it's legal and you are mad that people can't get sent to prison for interacting with the youngest form of a legal adult. [People can have opinions but don't cry over spilled milk]

[@2077words]

So many people are forgetting that everyone, and i mean EVERYONE involved in any of this are real people. Worst of all, a lot of the people involved or accositwd with all of these alligations are very young. 22 and below). If you dont like or trust a creator, then just unfollow, ignore, and support the creators you do like. Stop throwing hate. Stop threatinog violence. Stop throwing shade. Thank you shelby for being a good role model and guiding voice in all of this. ❤

[@theamazingpoof2205]

Shubbles fans forced a boy, Aiden to suicide and instead of addressing it she took a break from Twitter. She has also deleted tweets of her liking death threats and harassment. And to top it off her followers have leaked child explicit videos of wilbur. I hope your happy shubble. 4 people have died because of this. And in her stream apparently she said Aidens death was a lie and a f**ing joke. Doxxing him and his family (his mom) Death threats Leaking child explicit videos THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR I'm glad now more proof about shubble is coming out. Right now from what I've heard it's 50/50

[@starrywafer282]

I think its kinda funny she's talking about how ''people don't deserve to be told to take their own lives'' as if she didnt like tweets of her fans telling wilbur to kill himself (Checking her liked tweets is an option!)

[@kaylacrowson5216]

source?

[@felix_a_fiend]

Where are you getting this info

[@BylerIsCannon]

Im sorry but I dont think im informed on that, where can I see it?(if possible to see)/genq

[@GachaxMinecraft]

????

[@Sally_the_Cat]

Source: Trust me bro

[@S.l.e.e.p.y.K.i.t.t.y]

Bro I'm for that "Wilbert support" but ONLY for his mental health. I feel like it might be a deteriorating which happened to me when I was a teenager. I felt like I was a useless human being and didn't deserve to live so I closed off everyone even if they they were trying to help me which caused me to feel alone and stared cutting. Got sent to a mental hospital twice and a ER trauma room once after an attempt.

[@theamazingpoof2205]

Shubbles fans forced a boy, Aiden to suicide and instead of addressing it she took a break from Twitter. She has also deleted tweets of her liking death threats and harassment. And to top it off her followers have leaked child explicit videos of wilbur. I hope your happy shubble. 4 people have died because of this. And in her stream apparently she said Aidens death was a lie and a f**ing joke. Doxxing him and his family (his mom) Death threats Leaking child explicit videos THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR I'm glad now more proof about shubble is coming out. Right now from what I've heard it's 50/50 If shubbles fans have leaked child explicit videos of wilbur they're just as bad if not WORSE than Wilbur

[@CH22Live]

Same. I just want Wilbur to learn from this and move on with his life, but so there are who people won't stop harassing him.

[@iesma-iesma]

If you support Wilbur's mental health, support Shelby's too. I'm a victim of abuse myself and you don't know how destroying it is. STILL not a reason to harass them. There's a difference between support and harassement, like there's a difference between supporters and bullies.

[@S.l.e.e.p.y.K.i.t.t.y]

@iesma-iesma What makes you think I don't support Shelby? The reason why I didn't say anything about her is because I thought all of us here knows Shelby needs support and that we're all doing our best to support her. Secondly, I was consistently SA by a family member during my early teens. Hence , I started cutting. PS: (For future interactions) When someone says they used to cut themselves. Don't just assume they're not a victim of anything. There's usually a reason behind it.

[@Melagm]

18 year olds are teenagers?? kids??! They are legal adults, they are responsible for their own actions, wtf is this woman saying 💀

[@BluAru]

18 year olds are in highschool/fresh out of it. She's saying that just because they are legally adults doesn't mean their brains and lives are completely developed and fully together. Just because it's legal doesn't make it okay morally

[@Sally_the_Cat]

18 year olds ARE teenagers?

[@soph.b6054]

The law doesn't magically make your brain grow bigger overnight. You're still mentally the same as you were when you were 17. That's not to say that you shouldn't take responsibility, but you can still be naive. Two things can be true at once. (I'm not on anyone's side btw, this is just such a pet peeve of mine)

[@dion8202]

This is the most schizophrenic ramble about “teenagers”

[@NervedUpStudios]

The fact that youre against George makes me question you entirely on the Wilbur situation. This can be easilly solved behind doors and all of you trying to bring this online and RUIN lives is CRAZY

[@ariann.]

Heaven forbid a woman who has experienced domestic violence is against a man who assumes consent.

[@NervedUpStudios]

@ariann. well I'm not sure if you've watched any of the other content bit it's now been proven that the girl lied about alot of what happened. Also I understand people have faced domestic violence. But without proof and without putting it ALL into the light it's REALLY disgusting to just throw it out online and attempt to ruin people's lives then BTW gain thousands upon thousands of dollars from it.

[@ariann.]

@@NervedUpStudios I don't care. One thing that George and Caiti agree that she didn't lie about was the fact that she didn't give him consent to touch her. That's all it takes for it to be sexual assault. There's worse people out there profiting from Caiti's story.

[@NervedUpStudios]

@ariann. if in every movie or story before a guy kissed a girl the duded asked life would be so boring and people would be so weak.

[@ariann.]

@@NervedUpStudios What a mentally challenged analogy. This is real life.

[@tylerhuddleston3383]

I am not saying I support anyone... except Shubble because she's proven her point. With the George not Found thing, she was 18 AND under age drinking. You can go and fight for your country and die for it at 18. I am not saying that George is innocent. But the fact is. He gave his view and it makes sense. It is still a he said she said situation. He did apologize which was better the Wilburs lol. I myself had made mistakes but you don't see me crying about it a year ish later.

[@Axolautism]

He admitted later he was creepy and in the wrong and tried to apologize to Caiti to save face

[@tylerhuddleston3383]

@@Axolautism I don't think He admitted to being creapy. I'm not saying you're wrong because I might be mis remembering. He did admit that what he did was wrong. To save face or not. In these situations, you don't truly know what real and what's not.

[@Synphss]

​@@AxolautismI mean who wouldnt defend yourself over someone falsely accusing you.

[@AskMe-fl2sm]

@@Axolautismhe didn’t admitted to it. He actually exposed her lies one by one in his 2nd video.

[@quackitysboy_]

You should know caiti have lied about being sa before

[@Saturn.editzz]

Okay Shelby is fucking lying, I’ve had it. She literally said “I have never blocked anybody who had been kind.” My Best friend got doxxed and messaged her about HOW she got doxxed, and for help. Nothing mean at all. And she got blocked. LIKE?

[@kl4314]

It's not shelbys responsibility

[@cckatbur]

@@kl4314Thats not the point. The point is that she said that she never blocked people who asked her kindly. But she blocked a very good friend of mine who told her that they got doxxed, and they told her that really politely and kindly.

[@Saturn.editzz]

@@cckatbur Yeah she blocked Int0xix!

[@Kcoely]

​@@kl4314 I kinda think it is her responsibility to make sure her audience is not attacking people and doxxing tho, she isn't stopping them either and has not made a direct statement on stopping them if you can't stop your audience or control them your can't be considered an influencer in my book ( sorry if I have bad English it is not my first language)

[@sprout8627]

I’d block somebody too if they were accusing me of doxxing people over MY abuser

[@N3ptune_hearts]

Wdym “they need to take care of her” THEY DIDN’T KNOW HER

[@Tx_cats]

FOR REAAAAL

[@EeepyEepyCrow]

I’m done with all this things I’m officially turning my brain off and just ignore everything, my mental health is declining so it’s best for me to ignore all this situation (I sincerely dislike that people keep calling it a “drama” is a serious situation, no hate to shubble and other victims so keep being strong my queen!)

[@AceiplierOFICIAL]

Hope u feel well. But please know that Shelby was the abuser.

[@sprout8627]

@@AceiplierOFICIAL she wasn’t, Wilbur was. Stop victim-blaming, abuser

[@AceiplierOFICIAL]

@@sprout8627 First of all. I am a victim. Not an abuser. So back off. There is only evidence of Shelby abusing. PERIOD. You and your parasocial community need to realize you are the ones supporting an abuser. Not out of rudeness. From the kindness of my hearts and hope every one of yiu can get therapy one day.

[@sprout8627]

@@AceiplierOFICIAL I’m a victim too dumbass, she literally didn’t abuse anybody Wilbur did. Your victim complex is making you choose the wrong side, you need therapy because she genuinely is the victim in this situation. If you think what she did was abusive then you’re the problem

[@sprout8627]

@@AceiplierOFICIAL I’m a victim too headass, you need therapy because Shelby is the victim in this not Wilbur. If you’re a victim then you need therapy if this is how you’re reacting

[@ifredbenson]

me and my friends sometimes (barely ever anymore) say kys to each other but we ALWAYS make sure to say /j, which still doesnt make it ok but the /j really helps.

[@thomassacre8193]

ur fine if everyone's aware its jokes. if u don't like saying it, then u dont have to. everything thats happened the past few weeks has pushed ppl into being overly hyper-aware in every direction (in a bad way) and its probably best to step away from it all if u can

[@dregen3586]

I committed serious war crimes on August 12th, 2003 /j... def /j def not /srs...

[@Lemon_Enderman]

I think it’s bad that i learned you can never fully trust anyone at the age of 9. Like it’s bad that it’s true and great advice nowadays that you can’t trust anyone fully it’s a bad society we live in. (Not towards shubble in any way)

[@wus291]

"you can't trust anyone" "(Not towards shubble in any way)" LMAO

[@Leaf_lovez-snacks]

Oh hi lemon 🤯?

[@Lemon_Enderman]

@@Leaf_lovez-snacks:000 Hai leaf :3

[@Lemon_Enderman]

@Mjdaweirdo hello :3

[@auzumi]

wow she must hate Leonardo DiCaprio

[@KeilaBevins]

Lol

[@leftygamma]

i don’t think shubble watched Gnf’s first or second response which makes her judge Gnf without hearing his side of the story. Gnf response has eve since and makes more sense than catibugzzz’s. Gnf is innocent

[@chanelsbiatch]

He touched/groped her breasts without her consent. period the end. That is what they both admitted to happening.That is quite literally classified as SA. He is not innocent. how thick is your skull?

[@rickshan01]

​@@chanelsbiatchAs far as I remember he admitted to getting his hand under her shirt and tickling her, not the breasts touching/groping. And as far as I know he didn't response to her last vod yet (I dunno if he's going to respond to it, I don't have a twitter), so kinda it's not confirmed on 100% yet

[@Orander]

​@chanelsbiatch thats just not true

[@Melagm]

​@@chanelsbiatchit was consensual though, nonverbal consent exist, Caiti didn't revoke consent nor did she gave signs of discomfort. Hell, she even kept coming back to him and kept messaging him afterwards. You people are so chronically online you don't know how real social interactions work anymore.

[@Clamity_llunz]

TELL YOUR SUPPORTERS TO STOP DOING BAD THINGS. STOP TALKING ONLY ABT THE DEATH THREATS YOU ARE GETTING. PEOPLE HAVE KILLED THEMSELVES BC OF YOUR SUPPORTERS. CONTROL👏YOUR👏FANS👏.

[@Blueberry29537]

real

[@sprout8627]

Shubble can’t control her fans, she’s already said to stop they’re not gonna listen (mainly because they’re not fans, they’re anti-Wilbur with Shubble pfps to send you to her. They don’t care about ccs they care about ridding the world of the easily manipulative generation and getting their own rocks off

[@happyblueberry8]

They’re not children her fans action aren’t her fault and she shouldn’t have to corral them like they’re babies

[@Clamity_llunz]

@@happyblueberry8 they certainly act like it. She knows what's happening most likely and she isn't doing ANYTHING. At the very least she can tell them to stop. They're actions aren't her fault but sitting around and doing nothing is just as bad

[@happyblueberry8]

@@Clamity_llunz she should fs tell them to stop but I don’t ever want her to get blamed for their actions yk? I want her to be aware and very upset with them though ofc

[@aslychair3096]

How long does it take her to make a fucking point?

[@star_miyazaki]

if 18 yo's are considered children, by her logic all her friends should be in jail ig, they did bring a "child" to a 21+ party after all

[@MusaKitty]

What im saying and SHUBBLE GOES TO THESE PARTIES.

[@PrinkleChan]

Girl,depression is NOT an excuse. It is NOT an excuse. Its a serious thing. You can't just say that its a excuse to escape abuse. Like what?

[@kaylacrowson5216]

She said mental illnesses wasn't an excuse to abuse and hurt peole

[@Nat-id8zl]

Honestly, i feel like Cati and Georges were just a huge misunderstanding. Shelby's situtation is different, and shouldnt be put in the same boat. Wilbur violated boundaires MULTIPLE times. George, at the time didnt violate any of the boundaires, because cati hadnt put any up nor said no. She went back to him multiple times, and he took it as consent. (A HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING)

[@ariann.]

Men who assume consent are dangerous.

[@Nolongerusingthisaccount-t2b]

​@@ariann. People like you who are hating on one gender are dangerous

[@PinkYelloMonkey]

Ironic that she says Wilbur’s apology was untruthful because he never said her name and then proceeds to talk about him without saying his name… who’s the hypocrite now?

[@theghostlylive4917]

the difference is she’s the victim and wilbur’s the abuser. if i was abused by someone i wouldn’t want to say there name all the time. idk if you watch dance moms but it’s like chloe. she doesn’t want to say abby’s name because she was manipulated and verbally abused by her. (not trying to be mean at all just trying to explain)

[@blueberrycloudsxo]

@@theghostlylive4917 Agreed. Even if you aren't a victim, show some empathy for a moment and understand that you would be afraid to say their name, even if there were no consequences to it. Wilbur, on the other hand, has _no_ reason to be afraid to say her name.

[@aishanisinha-y4b]

its so gross how she thinks only her moral values are acceptable and everybody who believes anything else is disgusting (under the condition that its legal)

[@kaylacrowson5216]

Thing to note about this video. 1. Shelby never mentioned any names 2. The whole stream, she was only talking about what was on her mind. Ie. Air BnB vacation with the ladies, ghost hunting, this rant, and Aimsy pops into the stream to ask Shelby about her favorite MLP.. Dudes, this stream was not that deep, chill out, touch grass, and if you need a mental break, log off the internet and do something for a while.

[@wilburaah]

THIS

[@Averagefnfyoutuber]

Oh okay then cool.

[@FoxyFlyer12]

Someone had to fix the thumbnail hm

[@ahaha272]

Was the age gap thing talking about Tommy and Wilbur or

[@Snow_edits67]

She has friends twice that age gap lmao

[@sasha-is-eepy]

Not only that, but tommy CLEARLY idolizes wilbur. he spends time with him, initiates conversations, helps him through rough patches, calls him his brother. the age gap clearly isnt problematic in this case! its so fucking bullshit to point fingers when there was NEVER anything to suggest that wilbur was inappropriate or manipulative with tom

[@mechanicaIbr1de]

If she’s gunna talk about that then she should talk about her and aimee

[@fandomshit]

@@mechanicaIbr1dewhat about aimee? aimsey tv?

[@mechanicaIbr1de]

@@fandomshit yes bc theyre also 8 yrs apart

[@cutiellamaruth]

The fact that people are harassing people is crazy if they do support or not is not okay this stuff is real this is not roleplay no one even if you don’t agree should get death threats no one should go through some people I actually do the stuff you tell them to you might think it’s a harmless joke this stuff can effect people’s life I don’t care if you don’t like my comment or whatever just know you are effecting people and this is not ok

[@theamazingpoof2205]

Shubbles fans forced a boy, Aiden to suicide and instead of addressing it she took a break from Twitter. She has also deleted tweets of her liking death threats and harassment. And to top it off her followers have leaked child explicit videos of wilbur. I hope your happy shubble. 4 people have died because of this. And in her stream apparently she said Aidens death was a lie and a f**ing joke. Doxxing him and his family (his mom) Death threats Leaking child explicit videos THIS HAS GONE TOO FAR I'm glad now more proof about shubble is coming out. Right now from what I've heard it's 50/50

[@PooStephen]

I just want this to end, it was fun but nothing last forever people just ruin each other on the Internet forgetting that the people they see on the Internet are actual Real People.

[@Misteine]

i love shelby but her take on mental health is horrible

[@criidawg]

cant you give me timestamp pls

[@Maybe_rue]

Time stamp?

[@NoelleHoliday-w5r]

bro really said that and didn't leave a timestamp

[@OnlySarah26]

Nah I need a timestamp

[@littleredruri]

Timestamp dude

[@Random-person-on-Mars]

Doesnt anybody think about how Wilburs mental health is completely unstable now and is suicidal? Like i dont want him to die, if it does happen im gonna cry for ao long dude.

[@idunno8789]

From what I understand he’s always had struggles with his mental health. As sad as it is it doesn’t change the fact that he’s done horrible things. With that being said I wouldn’t wish death upon anybody. Sending him death threats is so wrong and disgusting. I hope you’re doing alright it’s always devastating when these things happen.

[@SomonSally-he5qz]

Yeah same. I know he is a terrible person but stil.. He was my idol for a long time and i dont want him to die. I can keep the hate and disgust in me but no i cant see him die. Not After Technoblade.

[@Dong-E_Lin]

Yeah

[@leviticusgames2513]

She wants us to wait until more reliable information before calling her a lier but wants us to emediatly call him an abusers 😂

[@sprout8627]

It’s believe the victim until he’s proven innocent. It’s gross if you support him while it’s happening because then you’re just showing you wouldn’t care if your family or friends came out about abuse

[@thedaimhin4535]

​@@sprout8627guilty until proven innocent is crazy

[@GrungyGoddess]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@sprout8627At this point, Wilbur is a victim too, and his community, they’ve been doxxed, threatened and told to kill themselves, and immediately supporting the victim is a overall bad idea, mainly because, there is no actual proof, and both sides of the story haven’t had light shed on them and because people lie all the time, people want clout, and for the record calling people gross is just as bad, calling people bad things isn’t something that even shubble would support, no matter how much you think you may be helping her, you’re also spreading negativity

[@sprout8627]

⁠@@GrungyGoddessWilbur is not a victim of SA, which Shelby is. They’re both being doxxed and sent threats. It’s literally 50/50 threats on both sides, Wilbur fans are threatening Shubble and anti Wilbur fans are threatening everybody including ccs who don’t matter in this situation. you guys are the negativity being spread, have you never heard of guilty until proven innocent? Shelby told us her story in confidence and abuser apologists like the ones in the comments trying to say Wilbur is a victim are why nobody comes out about their story

[@GrungyGoddess]

@@sprout8627 First of all, shubble was never a victim of SA, she never said that she was, and secondly, literally who has ever said, ‘guilty until proven innocent,’ that is a horrible mindset to have, I don’t support anyone who doxxes and sends threats to people, I’m disappointed in both parties, and how are ‘we’ spreading negativity, I’ve seen so many Shelby fans call Wilbur supporters, even people that don’t wanna state their opinions disgusting and horrible, you have no right to say we are spreading negativity right now

[@Skursss]

I am 18 years and 6 months old, and I really just wanna say that an 18 year old is not a "child". Sure, there is a lot 18 year olds doesn't know, but there are a lot of things that 18 year olds know. Besides, you are getting the legal rights and abilities that any ADULT has. You are allowed to make your own decisions, if you are getting the power to pick the future leader of a nation, the future leader of not only you but also all 30s, 40s ... and 90 year olds, you are not a child. If you are legally allowed to make more humans are work a job in the corporate market, you are not a child.

[@Buddychilll]

Shubble You can’t “blindly believe” the victim, that’s a beyond stupid ideology, You should instead wait for proof on life ruining statements. 😒

[@crunchungus4972]

I bet she still believes amber turd is innocent to this day

[@sasha-is-eepy]

There is a huge gap between 17 and 18!! when you turn 18, theres a mental shift. Legally youre an adult, and if you are drinking with strangers you clearly accept the responsibility of being an adult. If someone’s waiting for them to turn 18 before having sex with them, THATS predatory, but when theyre both adults and one party doesn’t know their age, they shouldnt be villianized for flirting. It’s the fucking law, lady, just because she regretted it later doesnt make it different.

[@Nolongerusingthisaccount-t2b]

You are wrong and incorrect there isn't a huge age gap between 17 and 18

[@starlightm_1593]

What she's saying is fine, but it's important to remember that it's HER OPINION, not a fact. There will be people who disagree with her, and that doesn't mean others are wrong. Personally, I won't infantilize any idiot who's 18 years old as a "child". We're living in 2024; there's a lot of information on the internet, many situations they could learn from. The most general advice you can give to someone is: take care of yourself and don't trust anyone. There's a reason why in most countries the age of 18 is set to determine someone as an "adult." It's related to biological/cognitive development, autonomy, social norms, and more. No one pulled the age of 18 out of thin air; it's something many countries agree upon for a reason. Young adults at 18 years old are not children, and claiming otherwise is very dangerous Learn to be responsible for your own decisions.

[@kimch1111-wss]

"All I wanna do is tell the truth" Okay, then do it. Is it really that hard?

[@Smirashinde0811]

NAHHHU BROHHHHH I’ve seriously lost all fking respect for Shelby ok? Like we can all get the thing about will but seriously dragging yourself into a drama you had no place in like stay in your lane. I’m supporting Wilbur because he atleast changed and kept some things in the past.

[@ashzstar_.]

Also the fact she was “scared” to mention his name but then got mad when he didn’t mention hers💀 she needs to grow up and act like the adult she is.

[@jayfeathersstick]

@@ashzstar_. Shubble had reason to be scared to mention his name. I'd be scared too. Wilbur had NO REASON to be scared to say her name. A part of an acceptable apology is to address them by name and take responsibility, not DENY. Wilbur's apology was shitty, and so was he. She was abused and hurt and she didn't say his name for a good reason. She only told this story to warn people that people like Wilbur exist. I do agree that Wilbur might be trying to change but we don't know. Something I've realised is that 'always support/believe victims' only applies to some people if the abuser/person who harmed the victim isn't popular and they don't like them, which is not okay. Sending death threats is not okay though, to either of them. Telling Wilbur to kill himself is not okay but telling Shubble that isn't either.

[@thatgirlmae8213]

@@jayfeathersstickwhat reason did she have to be scared? Genuinely.

[@jayfeathersstick]

@@thatgirlmae8213 He abused her, plus he's popular and a lot of people won't believe people who come forward about shit like this if they like the person who abused them. I obviously can't read her mind on exactly why but if you really think about it, stuff like that is scary. She did it mainly to warn others that people like him exist, not to call him out directly (from how I see it). I mean, I'm all for wilbur support if it's for his mental health. Yeah, he did some fucked up shit, but he said he's trying to get better, and if that's true, it's going to be hard with everyone telling him to off himself and his friends all leaving him. I may not forgive him for what he did but I care for the guy, he's human too. Hoped that helped :3

[@thatgirlmae8213]

@@jayfeathersstick then why did she speak out if she was so scared? Why did she describe him enough that people could tell it was Wilbur she was talking about? And why did she like tweets saying it was Wilbur BEFORE he made his statement?

[@keshamoh]

I feel so disgusting with her. To say that the death of those children was untrue, to deny and ridicule the obvious mental health problems of her ex, to brazenly lie that she doesn't block critical comments.... Let her be sued and she will experience the shame that Amber Heard experienced

[@crunch5]

Wait death?? Who died?

[@Project_Arcadeinlight]

​@@crunch5 Teen's??.-

[@sydneyxi]

I'm not sure she can be sued for that tho? I dont think that's how it works but I could be wrong

[@duwu4337]

​@@sydneyxiI mean that counts for cyberbullying but I don't know 100% if it is crime (but it should be)

[@sprout8627]

It literally isn’t her fault, You guys are throwing blame around like monkeys. Stfu and blame the real issue.

[@EddieSkinner-ss3pq]

Ok I’m just saying don’t yall think Wilbur is now completely not ok with his mental health like what if he kill’s himself 😭😭😭 (I support Shelby but I don’t want Wilbur to be unstable or to kill himself)

[@avathewierdo9743]

I hope not but I really can't care abt him like I did before 😢

[@EddieSkinner-ss3pq]

@@avathewierdo9743 yeah

[@BluAru]

I just want him to basically leave the internet, he's not a good person, he shouldn't have the influence over people that he currently has.

[@sprout8627]

I don’t want the guy to die, I want him to take a break from the internet for a couple of years to better himself

[@Sus_cat_]

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYINGG 😭😭

[@issacwessing4945]

lots of people who are 18 are more mature than people in there late 20s and plenty of people in their late 20s are less mature than 16 year olds. We're looking at one right now.

[@crunchungus4972]

“Women are more mature than men” Also women “she’s 18! She’s a minor!”

[@Lostcause202]

Yes they are that is soo true Sike !!! ANYONE BORN 2007-2011 are worse than than those born in 1990-2002 😂😂😂😂 And when they grow up their youthful high school personalities that were ingrained to them will never leave and thus will continue to bring their immaturity in their adulthood 😂😂😂😂 Maturity mindset in adults will die in the future

[@mostlywholesome]

@@crunchungus4972 I'm all for respecting women and not discriminating against them but like these fucking statements along with false allegations.. Talk about abusing power.

[@АннаМишонкова-е6е]

Despite all her words, she did not stop people when they en masse wished death on others. She wrote a post or something. She condemned, but did not try to stop when it could have been done calmly do.

[@sprout8627]

How would you stop a mass pack of people who don’t care about your well-being from threatening kids? You don’t they don’t care and won’t listen

[@АннаМишонкова-е6е]

@@sprout8627 At the same time, surprisingly, they all write that they support Shelby and that they are on her side. Yes, if these people were on my side, I would at least try to stop them.

[@felix_a_fiend]

How would you do it? How would you “try to stop” thousands of people from tweeting?

[@АннаМишонкова-е6е]

@@felix_a_fiend All these people are literally the ones who cover up psychological abuse under her name. I'm not saying that she has to stop them all. I'm talking about what's worth saying and talking about thing like “judgment, not bullying.” Naturally, she won’t stop everyone, but some people will follow her and this will help

[@imnotgoodwithnames.26]

@@felix_a_fiend She has a platform. She should use it. After all, that's what she did when she came out about her story, right?

[@dazeleee]

I saw so many people talking about that stupid cousin post and it’s so baffling how many people want to believe he’s innocent that they will believe anything. Like no media literacy ???? No common sense ?? It’s crazy…

[@sprout8627]

Ong dude it’s wild. They’re faking shit to make the situation worse

[@A_Certain_Mf]

25:55 "some people need to start telling the truth around here" yea, like Caiti and maybe even you shubble. This whole rant has been disingenuous and filled with the same malice she seems to be against. More and more reasons to stop believing any allegations I see, because I truly believe in innocent until proven guilty with info from both sides.

[@Melly_Bug01]

I hate all that’s happening. No one deserves to be hurt, to be told to die, no one. No one should be hurting people, making them uncomfortable. No one. I’m so done with this. Everything is escalating too fast, getting worse and worse. Things aren’t looking very well for anyone right now. If your experiencing anything like this, talk to someone. Anyone. Doesn’t even have to be someone alive, could be an ai, as long as your getting everything out without hurting anyone. Please stay safe and I’m happy your strong enough to see another day. -R41N

[@weakStranger]

To anyone who has followed this situation from the beginning or just part of it. DO NOT follow their example on how to handle ANY of this disaster. More specifically: 1. HOW to come out/share such intimate parts of your person/past on the INTERNET. 2. Speak out about someone when CONSEQUENCES are THIS HEAVY. 3. Do NOT respond with ANGER and HATE. To explain: 1. Sharing parts of yourselves is brave, because there are very real reasons to be afraid to do so. Especially on the net. Even when doing everything right, there will always be that one jerk who wants to put you down. So one word out of place can cause harm wether it is to yourself or someone else. Which I believe isn't the goal. This is something that you should do for YOU, to bring you whatever fulfillment you can get from doing so (support, closure, simple comfort etc.). In this case, Shubble did gather support. But what do people first think when it comes to her story? "Wilbur" "Cancel Wilbur" "He's an abuser" ...Supporting Shubble became secondary. This is a very very shitty way to receive a recounting of abuse. Be very careful with your wording. Do not accidentally set up a TANGIBLE "villain". Actually, make sure NOTHING you SAY or DON'T SAY can feasibly lead the Internet to hunt down anyone. Even if they deserve it. It will make you a prop to their "villain arc". 2. Words have power, which more often than not, misfires. Allegations and Condemnations shouldn't be made so carelessly no matter HOW truthful. It's dangerous. Most people aren't equipped to deal with this responsibility. These matters should be handled in a Court of Law only, get them on the Internet and it WILL turn into a kangaroo court. And no matter where you bring those allegations, you WILL NEED proof. The cold, hard, irrefutable kind if only to protect yourself. On the flip side of allegations, DO NOT believe them without said cold hard irrefutable proofs. Anyone and I mean Anyone can be accused you and I included. And I believe we've seen the consequences of THAT. 3. Lastly. This situation seems to have made many streamers sad, angry, or simply distraught. We do not know what happens behind the camera, what else might've fuelled their reactions. But their response was emotional. Not inherently a bad thing, had they been responsible. It's understandable to act out and say things in a burst of emotion. Sometimes, those things aren't right or just plain terrible. Obviously, it's fine to feel angry or whatever you need/want to feel towards this whole mess. Yet, it simply won't take away your responsibility over yourself. You cannot escape the consequences of what you said. I mean that literally. This is the the Internet, your words will forever be there for anyone with enough willpower to look for them. Condemning people without proof, doxxing, harassment, KYS messages etc. SHOULD you do ANY of those, no amount of "justice" or "excuses" will change this act was on you. You'll have to live with it. To be clear about what I'm trying to say: This entire situation started with what was supposed to be about prevention and awareness of abuse. What could have been an opportunity for Kindness became a Hate campaign. It turned into spiteful blunder after spiteful blunder without ANY visible damage control. At the very beginning, the point, as I understood it, was to make people safer from jerks. Instead everybody decided crucifixion was peace. Rant over.

[@imnotgoodwithnames.26]

Absolute banger fucking takes, but unfortunately, ain't gonna do much. We're dealing with the MCYT community here. The amount of stupidity that I've seen, both from content creators and fans, in this community is so laughable, and it ain't even funny.

[@CrimsonArtGeek]

Shubble makes an excellent point with 18 year olds and 25+ year olds being VERY different. I can guarantee from first hand experience that who I was at 18 and me now at 22 is VERY different. Maturity is gradual and doesn't happen within a year or even a couple of years like it's an instant change. Unlike growing up as a teenager, maturity as an adult is a lot slower. Even if someone is deemed an adult legally, it doesn't mean that individual can healthily and maturely navigate that situation.

[@mechanicaIbr1de]

So by her logic, if you have been like a bad person U cannot come back and change. Oh !! I just don’t see why it’s so difficult for her to stop streaming and takes legal action on it, or cus she’s lying? She is THIRTY years old. We don’t need to pity her. I was on her side but she literally makes me so mad istg im done with her. She isn’t blocking people cus they’re rude she’s just blocking people cus she doesent gaf LMAOO if you’re one of the many that was doxxed and you messaged her you would literally be blocked. I need people to open their damn eyes bc there is so much proof in favour of Wilbur and way more than there is in defense of Shelby.

[@sprout8627]

Abusers can’t come back or change, i hope my abuser is to be put to jail for 5 years and to never come back to the internet :) hopefully Wilbur gets that jail time too but if he doesn’t I just hope he doesn’t come back. Not because of Shelby but because of his mental health. He shouldn’t be making music or making KZbin videos with people he could hurt. Would you put an abuser on a pedestal(pretending you already don’t) and let him around people who he’ll most likely hurt?

[@mechanicaIbr1de]

@@sprout8627 ur right but my point is that he can always change, obviously if he actually abused her then he likely shouldn’t and he could go to jail but we don’t know that because there isn’t any proof of any bruises or damage wilbur has potentially caused, if not well were aware of how he can act but things can be fixed? hes in therapy (and im talking about other types of behaviour that his friends have described, idk if i make sense)

[@sprout8627]

@@mechanicaIbr1de he can change but that doesn’t mean he should be allowed back on the internet, it’s for his own good like literally the internet is going to make him worse

[@sprout8627]

@@mechanicaIbr1de but abusers rarely change, not to mention his friends have come out about him biting them until they bruise too, there’s literally no denying that he did this?

[@mechanicaIbr1de]

@@sprout8627 that does not mean he can’t change tho LOL

[@Norsq_]

that's kinda stereotyping ngl

[@coricognitions]

I know 18 is young and all, but at a certain point there is some responsibility. I would NEVER blame someone for what they were wearing, or trusting adults in their lives, but people know full well its a dumbass idea to be drunk around complete strangers and lie about their age. It is not victim-blaming to say that Caitibugs very knowingly put herself in a dangerous situation and did not leave when given the opportunity. She shouldn't be shamed for having regret, but we do not need to be calling GeorgeNotFound a pedo or an abuser or smth.

[@ariann.]

Caiti was hanging out with friends and people she thought she could trust. You don't usually go into situations assuming "hey, this guy with a huge teenage fanbase is going to sexually assault me". They both agree that he assumed her consent and touched her without asking. In his own words it's literally the only thing they agree on and a lack of consent is what makes something sexual assault.

[@coricognitions]

@@ariann. He definitely shouldn't have assumed her consent; I completely agree. George is in the wrong there. However, she wasn't *just* hanging out with friends. She was knowingly engaging in underage drinking and actively lying about her age. She was also cuddling with him, and it seems like from his perspective that she never gave an indication that she was uncomfortable. This should have absolutely been resolved privately instead of her trying to frame it as assault.

[@ariann.]

@@coricognitions Drinking and not announcing your age isn't consent, and it's not "asking for it" either. It was assault if no consent was given and she didn't want it.

[@coricognitions]

@@ariann. Drinking, having a wristband claiming to be 21+, cuddling with someone, and not giving any indication of discomfort is not consent, but I don't blame George for not reading her mind in that situation. She did not get assaulted if George's and their friends' description of events is the truth, so I will wait on more information before declaring him a bad person. Sorry.

[@ariann.]

@@coricognitions She said that wasn't even her hand with the wristband on it. Anyway, none of those things make it okay to touch someone without their consent. You could repeat yourself a thousand times and it wouldn't change that fact.

[@Axolautism]

The "wilbursupport" people are insane

[@spelcheak]

Other way round

[@Axolautism]

@@spelcheak you're an abuse apologist

[@AceiplierOFICIAL]

Thanks. I hope I am insane. Great to know you support someone who: casued 7 suicides, told people she dont care what they do to Wil, the man she abused, blocked every person not giving her support for lying, and is actively supporting 3 different peoole who are lying about sexual assault. As a victim it is not fair she gets to use the girlpower card to be a lying abuser.

[@TomTheSaintsGuy]

@@AceiplierOFICIALGot any proof for those 7 people?

[@sprout8627]

@@TomTheSaintsGuyTikTok or Twitter prolly

[@m3ganees]

I know this isn’t the place or time to say this but i love how she quoted renee rapp😭

[@scraper.]

Welp I’m kinda used to it…

[@masochistz]

I am too, n it sucks :(

[@Randy_Racc00n]

You shouldn't be hun.🫂

[@scraper.]

@@Randy_Racc00n i know 😭

[@Your_hyperfixation]

Anyone have timestamps for what she talks about at certain points

[@Blueberry29537]

was looking for that too lmao

[@ashzstar_.]

Someone commented it

[@kassidyrogers3967]

the debate over if 18 and someone else older matters is not really a debate of what is legal, but ethical. Yes, you are an adult LEGALLY at 18. But guess what? you are not done growing yet. You're frontal lobe does not fully develop until you're 25 years old. Guess what the frontal lobe controls? Emotions, impulse control, problem solving, etc. If someone is freshly eighteen, their frontal lobe and therefore their decision making and impulse control is less developed than someone who is TWENTY SEVEN. Many people have this 'click' when it comes to how they think and what they do once they hit 25. There are cases of people's frontal lobe being damaged and completely changing the person's personality, if you think it's not that big of a deal. Legal doesn't always equal morally right or okay.

[@BeanerMoney]

who says its morally incorrect? At 18, unless your developmentally delayed, you should already have the basic maturity of an adult. You should already be knowledgeable of the responsibilities and behaviors as a grown ass person lmao

[@kassidyrogers3967]

@@BeanerMoney I'm not saying people who are 18 are not or cannot be mature or aware of responsibilities. I'm saying a person who is fully developed mentally has more responsibility than someone who isn't. That's just basic Psychology.

[@BeanerMoney]

@@kassidyrogers3967 you aren't fully "mentally developed" in your mid 20s, your brain just stops growing at that age. Mental maturity continues on throughout life. You have the same responsibility for your own life as anybody else once you hit 18

[@liaorliam-yz2lf]

exactly

[@rainman11]

@@kassidyrogers3967but didn’t George in this case handle the situation responsibly? Like as soon as Caiti showed she was uncomfortable and didn’t want to pursue the intimacy any further but getting up and non verbally signaling to George to not do that, George understood and hadn’t touched her the rest of the night/morning. He didn’t embarrass her or try to constantly persuade her to sleep with him after the incident, they just talked and chilled the rest of the night. Like isn’t that the best case scenario here for a young adult, who drank underage, had shitty friends that left her and to even put her in that situation, and spent the night with 2 very popular streamers who could’ve used their power to their advantage but ultimately all that ends up is an awkward intimate moment due to miscommunication while under the influence of alcohol. Like sure, all those elements were a recipe for a disaster and for someone to get SA or worse but the fact she didn’t is a testament to George showing maturity, having no malicious intentions and respecting Caiti’s boundaries when she non verbally signaled to him she did not like being touched around her waist/chest area. Like I can’t believe ppl wanna cancel George over this, it’s ridiculous! 🤦‍♂️

[@Charli_lovesN3ne]

Tubbo was accused of somthing he has never done the story said tubbo said he would drive me home then tubbo has no car or licence also with wilbur abusing shubble people have told wilbur to kill himself yeah wilbur abused some people but its not okay to tell him to kill himself

[@Iris_ed1ts]

My brain is just turning off

[@cora_jones]

As a wilbur and shelby supporter, I am very happy with this stream. I agree with mostly everything she said. I love how she handled the death threats and suicides, it felt very genuine and real. also i completely agree with her that if wilbur really has changed like he said in the statement, he should never come back to the internet. i hope wilbur just takes a long break from social media entirely, and works on himself and his mental health. This stream made my day, and she handled this respectfully and professionally. 💯

[@oliverolivee]

She never handled the deaths for the Wilbur fans.

[@G.D.G.]

Shes blocking people that have proof she WASNT abused. I cant wait for you blind fanboys to findout she lied about all of this just for clout.

[@meh_81]

her whole bit about mental health/depression as an excuse is just plain disrespectful and ignorant. innocent on the grounds of "insanity beyond a reasonable doubt" exists for a reason.

[@ariann.]

tf are you talking about

[@meh_81]

@@ariann. shelby being disrespectful. can you not read?

[@ariann.]

@@meh_81 I can read, you just can't write.

[@meh_81]

@@ariann. i can write, you just seem to have an issue comprehending what i'm writing. that's fine, many people your age struggle with comprehending full sentences. most kids only understand full sentences when they reach four or five.

[@ariann.]

@@meh_81 I'm willing to bet I'm older than you considering you're watching videos related to minecraft youtubers and have playlists filled with music that either trends on tiktok or is made by a domestic abuser with putrid hygiene habits.

[@litsmarriii013]

I was wanted dead because of which side I chose.. It hurts a lot, I respect every side. I'm not telling people who support Shelby to support my side. I hope everyone understands which side I support. I will respect all sides, just please, never do death to anyone and do not threaten a person (forgive me if there are mistakes, I am from a completely different country, I do not speak English 100%) Just do not wish me death, I cried a lot because of this... These people started pushing me away from Shelby herself..

[@tjhenderson9363]

Imagine lying about your age with a over sticker. Like stfu

[@_XianoTheTherian_]

I don’t support shubble/shelby but I hope she gets at least better. Edit: also in some of Wilbur’s songs you can hear her abusing him😘

[@AceiplierOFICIAL]

Yeah but you caused 7 suicides, told people you dont care what they do to Wil, the man you abused, blocked every person not giving you support for lying, and supporting 3 different peoole who are lying about sexual assault. As a victim it is not fair you get to use the girlpower card to be a lying abuser.

[@zolove_]

Wait explain how Shubble caused 7 suicides

[@AceiplierOFICIAL]

@@zolove_ Her fans doxxing and her condoning it and blocking everyone who told her to stop conding it and telling her fans it was omay for them to send hate to Wil all in the name of "not protecting her abuser" but then yapping it should not happen 2 her or her fans.

[@AceiplierOFICIAL]

@Phoenixedits611 Her fans doxxing and her condoning it and blocking everyone who told her to stop conding it and telling her fans it was omay for them to send hate to Wil all in the name of "not protecting her abuser" but then yapping it should not happen 2 her or her fans.

[@laurabenevides7061]

@@AceiplierOFICIAL Sure, but what about this suicides? Where did you get that from?

[@Dong-E_Lin]

​@@AceiplierOFICIAL where did you get that information

[@danielcampos8986]

"18 yo are kids"? Are you f kidding me? LMAO, thats ridiculous

[@EricLi-z4e]

Yo guess what? 18 is LEGALLY an ADULT, also drink responsibly

[@sweetpea_____]

Who is Goerge?

[@attackoramic8361]

i feel like people should stop bringing their shit onto youtube and let higher authority deal with it instead of letting children on the internet dictate someone elses image

[@TheChaoticJoy]

THE ESSAY: As most of you guys know, Shelby has recently had a vod addressing some stuff. I'm going to do a rundown on my opinion about it, so let's start, shall we? First of all, they way she changed the situation about wilbur supporters being attacked to talk about the attacks on HER community is immature. There have been barely any attacks on #supportshubblesquad, meanwhile PEOPLE HAVE DIED. DIED. DEAD. she makes the situation about herself, redirects the audience attention to real probably and makes herself out to be the victim. Secondly, i've been struggling with SH and sever depression for almost 2 years now, and i have recently started meds. I haven't been open about it on the internet, since it's pretty personal to me, but I feel like I should say something. Shelby is disgusting. She single handedly invalidated MULTIPLE PEOPLE across the world in one SINGLE FUCKING STREAM. I think it's SICKENING that she talks about depression in such a way, when she probably has NEVER FUCKING DEALT WITH IT ETHIER. I have never, in my whole time with having depression, felt so insecure about it until today when she basically told everyone struggle with it that we can never change. The way she tries to talk about Tommy and Wilburs relationship is also disgusting. Its NONE. OF. HER. BUSINESS. She is 30 FUCKING YEARS OLD, SHE SHOULD KNOW BETTER. Unless she thought there was a serious danger in their relationship, it is, once again, none of her business, and especially not her audience business ether. The fact that she still considers herself to be a kind, godsend of a person deeply disturbed me, because she is immature, a clinical liar, and a fucking ableist. 1am deeply sorry to the people who have felt as invalidated as I did when watching that vod. You CAN change, you ARE strong, and you CAN get help. Do not, and I repeat, do NOT listen to her intoxicating words. SHELBY FANS, PEOPLE WHO ARE NEUTRAL ABOUT THIS WHOLE CIRCUS AND WIL'S FORMER FANS. I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE AMONG YOU GUYS WHO SUFFER FROM DEPRESSION OR DIAGNOSES, ETC. IF YOU WERE REALLY OFFENDED BY SHELBY'S WORDS ABOUT PEOPLE WITH DEPRESSION, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE ASHAMED OF IT. THIS IS LITERALLY A RED FLAG EVEN FOR YOU THAT SHE IS NOT THE NICEST PERSON, THAT SHE HAS NO RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WITH DEPRESSION. I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE YOUR MIND OR COMPLETELY RENOUNCE EITHER SIDE. IF SHELBY SAYS THAT THE NEUTRAL PARTY (IN OUR SITUATION) IS SUPPORTING THE ABUSE, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT SHE IS THE LEADER OF THIS OPINION AND RIGHT. SHE'S JUST MANIPULATING US. I, OTHER SUPPORTS AND NEUTRALS, WILL ACCEPT YOU EVEN IF INITIALLY YOU WERE NOT RIGHT WITH OUR STATEMENTS AND ARGUMENTS. YOU CAN CHANGE AND SIMPLY BE THE ONE WHO PASSIVELY OR ACTIVELY EXPRESSES YOUR SUPPORT. WE AND WILBUR WILL WELCOME YOU AND YOUR SUPPORT. IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO CHANGE YOUR POINT OF VIEW. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT WILL YOU AND YOUR VIEWS, YOU ARE NOT ALONE HERE, AND THE MAIN THING IS THAT YOU ARE NOT AFRAID TO REMAIN SILENT AND EDUCATE ABOUT ALL THIS. I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME MAY BE AFRAID TO OPENLY EXPRESS SUPPORT OR EVEN NEUTRALITY DUE TO THREATS OF DOXXING AND OTHER TRIGGERING THINGS. THEREFORE, PLEASE BE VIGILANT AND CAREFUL WITH YOUR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND DO NOT BE AFRAID/ASHAMED TO BLOCK TROLLS AND OTHER TRASH. YOUR HEALTH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT. EVEN IF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF ENGLISH IS NOT THE BEST OR YOU HAVE DIFFICULTIES, THEN I AM STILL HERE AND READY TO TRY TO HELP YOU. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOU AND YOUR FEARS BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF YOU (BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL I LEARNED ABOUT ALL THIS FROM THE SUPPORTS SHELBY, WHICH WAS EVIDENT FROM ONE OF MY FIRST REPOSTS). TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, YOUR HEALTH AND DO NOT NEGLECT YOUR VIEWS AND OPINIONS! I seriously hope you're okay. Shubble 15 supporters are fucking sociopaths. THIS IS SHUBBLES COMMUNITY. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO PEOPLE. #fuckshubble for not even saying anything about her comminity knowing DAMN WELL WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I'm done being neutral. apparently shelby talked about the kids who commit suicide. but she thinks they're fake. what proof does she want, pictures of their dead bodies or something?? girly showed no remorse -@i-heart-lily (from some random yt short)

[@miss.emaline]

Yall when she’s talking about 18 year old I think she’s talking about Tommy and Wilbur, not Caiti

[@jayfeathersstick]

Wait that actually makes more sense with the way she worded it why did I not think of that-

[@Lovejoyisthebest]

22:26 laughing? What is wrong with her? KIDS killed themselves because she turned a blind eye when her fans are send Wilbur fans death threats #Shubblehate #Shelbyhate

[@kaylacrowson5216]

Context is important

[@Dong-E_Lin]

Context is important

[@JZ30.]

has she even watched george's video-

[@sprout8627]

Prolly not cus it was dogshit

[@JZ30.]

@@sprout8627 the video or her?

[@sprout8627]

@@JZ30. the video George posted not her, she’s chill

[@JZ30.]

@@sprout8627 ooh we are in wrong banda here-

[@pandaman3587]

@@sprout8627 how is the vid trash?